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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast. The questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the back tail Cast. You're listening to the

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Speaker 1: back tail Cast. This is our podcast about movies and

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Speaker 1: women in them. My name's Jamie, my name is Caitlin.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast called the back tel Cast, which

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Speaker 1: is our podcast. What is this the groundhog Day episode?

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Speaker 1: What's it about women in the movies that they're in,

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Speaker 1: specifically how those movies portray the female characters, and how

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Speaker 1: it's often not very good, almost always bad. Yeah, breaking

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Speaker 1: news quick at the at the top of the episode.

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Speaker 1: We have heard from Alfred Molina today, I you can

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Speaker 1: attest called you crime weeping in my garage, which is

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Speaker 1: where I fled to. I just read into my garage

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Speaker 1: and called you and Alfred Milena must and and not

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Speaker 1: to call him out, but he must search his own

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Speaker 1: name regularly on Twitter dot com. Because you did not

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Speaker 1: mention him, You did not at him. He was not tagged,

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Speaker 1: He was not tagged in any way, and he certainly

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Speaker 1: does not follow me on Twitter dot com, so he

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Speaker 1: must have found it. I believe what I said was

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Speaker 1: that I got so distracted by thinking about how Kris

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Speaker 1: Nooth is the poor man's Alfred Molina that I walked

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Speaker 1: into traffic, which is true. I did that this morning

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Speaker 1: because I've been watching The Good Wife and I hate it,

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Speaker 1: but I keep watching it. But Alvia Millana found that

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Speaker 1: quoted it was extremely humble. Wanted to give chrisnos his due,

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Speaker 1: which like, why bother? But whatever? Uh? And and now

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Speaker 1: he alleges that he will come on this podcast. So

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Speaker 1: after what a full year, this is the closest we've gotten,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to let it go right. We

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Speaker 1: will stop at nothing to get alphad Milina on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We know he's nearby, We'll do it. We basically recording

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Speaker 1: this on August seventeen. The episode won't come up for

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after this. By the time it

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Speaker 1: comes out, he might have probably would have divorced his wife,

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Speaker 1: will be fully. I realized recently it's my dream to

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Speaker 1: have step children who are older than me and hate me.

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Speaker 1: And I think that marrying alph Molina is going to

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Speaker 1: be an amazing shortcut to achieving net for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, asked the breaking news will keep you posted.

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Speaker 1: As of August seventeenth, I'm still flying high and crying

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Speaker 1: about it, indeed bringing it back to the cast. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we should mention what the what this? Even? What is Bechtel? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a test. It requires it to women have to

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Speaker 1: talk to each other in a movie. They have to

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Speaker 1: have names and their conversation has to be about something

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Speaker 1: that's not a man. So we will in with this

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Speaker 1: movie that we're talking about later on to see if

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Speaker 1: it passes the backdel test. But before we do that,

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Speaker 1: we should introduce our terrific guests. He is a hilarious comedian.

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Speaker 1: He has a half hour coming out on Comedy Central

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Speaker 1: and his first album coming out in October. Somon, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Thanks for being okay with me

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Speaker 1: being late. That's fine. One of us is late almost

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Speaker 1: every Oh okay, I've been so late that I've missed

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Speaker 1: the episode. It's all good. So we're here to talk

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Speaker 1: about Greece too. So why did you pick this movie?

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Speaker 1: What's your relationship to it? When did you first see it?

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Speaker 1: It is one of those movies that I think is

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Speaker 1: It's one of those ones that's always always always on TV,

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Speaker 1: to think of other movies they're always on Basic Cable

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Speaker 1: me out here, because there are the three spiffy young

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Speaker 1: they can sing and they're really good. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why they kidnapped the sweet little spiffy boys. It's like, um,

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Speaker 1: Jesus and then Technicolor dream Coat? Is that what's very good? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's all the same to clean together. No, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: stand by Jesus and Detecticolor dream Coat. Jesus was not

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Speaker 1: stylish from what I've seen. Judas, however, if we were

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Speaker 1: to judge from his first number in j C Superstar,

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Speaker 1: two piece orange tied eye. It's great, You're going to

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Speaker 1: spiffy boys. But I think the most important part of

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Speaker 1: a D. D. Con as Frenchie, which I think is

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Speaker 1: so does she reroll back in school to learn chemistry

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Speaker 1: so she can like develop skincare products? Not how high

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Speaker 1: school works. You don't go back for one class the best, Like,

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Speaker 1: pirates code empired to the Caribbean, and towards the end

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00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: they realize it's more like actual guidelines anyway, whatever you want.

424
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: It's like they almost call out the fact that that's

425
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: so fucking like because there's one scene where the pink

426
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: ladies are like, you can only date a tabern till

427
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: graduation anyways, and it's like two months before graduation. It's like,

428
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: why would you what? I keep enforcing this. Also, the

429
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: way that time passes in this movie is confusing, because

430
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: it's the first day of school and they're like, time

431
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: to start getting ready for the talent show in June

432
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: September one, right, it's an important talent show. I've said

433
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: that before those times I've walked into high school. It's

434
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: like it's time to get ready for the talent show.

435
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: We'll imagine how long it took to make those amazing

436
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: costumes all the seasons, like some Adrian ship. It was beautiful.

437
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: Like my favorite one is like the one who's wearing

438
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: a baseball glove on her head like that I didn't

439
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: even catch that detail. You need to watch that whole scene.

440
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, it's a ridiculous one. Like it's the

441
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: same scene as the dance number in the first one

442
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: where it's like no one, no one does this do they?

443
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: Like is this a real school? I want to go

444
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: to the school now because I want to see everything

445
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: that every costume and girl of all seasons is the

446
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: most incredible costume I've ever seen, including that. There's another

447
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: one where Michelle Peiffer comes out, she has the most

448
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: boring costume and then do what are derails the talent shop?

449
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: But she's like wearing a white dress because of course,

450
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: and then the girl behind her is wearing a dress

451
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: that shaped like a cake and has fake legs popping.

452
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: It's missed this whole thing, so I'll send you screenshot that. Yeah. Yeah,

453
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: speaking of costumes though, did you catch the part towards

454
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: the beginning where Stephanie is wearing like short pants and

455
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: then I think it's like ms McGee is like pants

456
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: and then she's like, oh crap, and then she puts

457
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: on a skirt. Is that because I guess pants were

458
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: against the dress code or like women weren't allowed to

459
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: wear pants? Yeah? Yeah, okay, I just wanted to confirmants.

460
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: I think the rule probably if it's back then the

461
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: rules wear skirt and your skirt can't be shorter than

462
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: than yeah, or even longer. I would probably longer than yeah. Yeah,

463
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: because this is still this is the way they remind

464
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: you what error this movie takes place and is very

465
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: clumsy in a way I thought was fine where they

466
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: would just be like as John F. Kennedy would say,

467
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: he was still alive. Like its like before the lu out,

468
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: the principal spews out this JFK quote and it's like

469
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: and now for the lu out. But no, that was

470
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: wearing pants at school was a big no no, right,

471
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: so she why did she wear them? Just go in

472
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: the first place them. She should wear pants whatever she

473
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: wants to. But yeah, she's you don't change the rules

474
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: by not breaking them. It's not permission. The rule of Stephanie.

475
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: The Stephanie code data masked British guy who I think

476
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: also does a fake American accent when he's doing his thing.

477
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh yeah, so that no, because otherwise,

478
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: like that would be a dead giveaway for who he is.

479
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: So he's doing like a fake American. She full on

480
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: makes out with him for like hours without being like,

481
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: by the way, who are you know that? I got

482
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: like on board, there's a version of my Like if

483
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to make out with a goggled

484
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: man when I was sixteen, of course I wouldn't. I

485
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: hadn't do it, like I'll go outside if they get

486
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: on the first motorcycle that pulls up, like if I

487
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: start looking cool writer and a great human being, and

488
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: how much shows up? And I'm just like, you know

489
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: what this was meant to be? Oh? God? And then

490
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: can we talk about the dream sequence? Sure? The dream sequence,

491
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: it's I don't remember the dream Oh it's when Stephanie

492
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: still thinks that Michael's dead or Cool Riders dead. And

493
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: then she has that whole scene when she ruins the

494
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: Talent Show, which like she ruins the Talent Show by

495
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: being in the chorus and not knowing the words, but anyways,

496
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: she starts singing her own song and then it cuts

497
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: to this dream sequence of her running towards Cool Rider.

498
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: She's wearing a Grecian dress, and then he he's not

499
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: a good singer, but he's like, theme, what if I alve?

500
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: She's like, I wish you were, and then they have

501
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: a very intense, weird exchange. She's like, just when I

502
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: thought I found you, I lost you and he's like,

503
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: I know, but it doesn't matter now because we can

504
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: always be together. She's like, okay, and then she wins

505
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: the Talent Show. It's great. I think I must have

506
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: like drifted off during the talent show because I don't remember.

507
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: It's logistically one of the most h It's a fever

508
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: dream of so many things happened, but none of it matters.

509
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: I do remember Johnny like going out onto the stage

510
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: or like being pushed on stage and like ruining someone

511
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: else's song. I don't know. That's when they steal the

512
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Spiffy Boys jacket and all the talents. It's very weird.

513
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: There's no there's no allowance of resetting a song. Yeah,

514
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: they're not like you want to start with no, No,

515
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna just go ahead and say this is ruined.

516
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: You can't do it again. The show must go on.

517
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: But Johnny also wins. It's it's almost like the Talent

518
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Show didn't happen because they the two people who win, respectively,

519
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: ruined the numbers that they were in. But they're like, no,

520
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: we're putting you out on the lu out float in

521
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: the pool. It's really weird how the school just functions

522
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: with two gangs that they're very aware of, right, and

523
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: it's like if you don't there are people there who

524
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: don't belong to either of this, but really only to

525
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: be shoved. I'm pretty sure the other kids at school,

526
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: like they're a cult and they're just totally The rest

527
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: of the people are thriving behind. They're riding their own

528
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: homework assignments and they're doing great. Yeah, both of the

529
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: gangs that run the school are dumb as rocks, like

530
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: all of them without reservation or full on more. And

531
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: like I would include Stephanie in that assessment because we

532
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: hear snippets of her essay, right, it is ridiculous that

533
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: scene where they're at the diner and he's like helping

534
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: her with her Shakespeare essay and everything that she's saying,

535
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: just like making up words and saying very stupid things,

536
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: and like it's and it makes you wonder why does

537
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: Michael like her? Obviously he wants to fuck her, but

538
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: like what about her personality? There's something great about Michelle

539
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: Pfeiffer that I that very few people acknowledge, and that

540
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: is she is She looks like a very dainty, blonde lady,

541
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: but she is the most Jersey Italian persona. Yeah, like

542
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: everything I've ever seen her, and she's like I've murdered

543
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: some people now I'm here, but I looked good. Yeah,

544
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: That's why I love. I don't know why easily love

545
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: those kind of characters are like feel I feel like

546
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: she can just beat us all up, and I'm quite

547
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: content with that. She's a catwoman, She's yeah. Catwoman. Married

548
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: to the Mob is a phenomenal movie where she is, Oh,

549
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: I have seen that. It's it's a good one. She's

550
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: running away from the mob. It's really I would love

551
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: to see Michelle Fife for a run from the mob.

552
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Scarface is another one. Oh yeah, I always forget that's her.

553
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: She's in scarface. Yeah, so that was That was right

554
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: after Greece Too. She's exactly weird. It's a solid follow up. Well,

555
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: I was reading a little bit about Maxwell Caulfield who

556
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: is very bitter about Greece Too and like blames it

557
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: for ruining his career mom, which I guess name is

558
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: something he did after her. I personally get. But well,

559
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: there's like a quote for him saying like, oh, they

560
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: were saying that was the next Richard gear But then

561
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: Greece Too sucked and I was back. He was like

562
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: in The Elephant Man on Broadway, like he was a

563
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: serious actor. And then I guess took a gamble on

564
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: like a little blockbuster and thought that it kind of

565
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: like ruined his crew. It's like, you're not sure. Everybody else,

566
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: most of the people from the movie kept working right,

567
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: like everyone's in you know, it seems par for the course.

568
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: But he's bitter about it. Baby, Well, I don't care.

569
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: He still did he how did he age? I mean,

570
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I guess realistically, he aged realistically. Here's a picture of him. Now,

571
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: that's fine. Yeah, he's doing fine. He's okay. It's not

572
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: the way I prefer, perhaps not for me, but he

573
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: looks slippery. That's what he discovered, jam covering and Greece.

574
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: I did really enjoy his solo number, where again he's

575
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: just wandering around singing to himself. What's the name of

576
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: the song? It's oh Charades. A lot of the thing

577
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: this movie sounds mumbled, it is. I think the only

578
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: song I can recall is cool, right, and the other

579
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: songs definitely fall to the wayside. Well, there's the song

580
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: about I like that. There's a whole song about like

581
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: women's reproduction when they're like the substitute teacher just comes

582
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: in all right, So that I like most of the song,

583
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: and like all the imagery on the board in the

584
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: classroom is like plants, but he's drawing a woman's uterus

585
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: and like Philippian two and she break but anyway, and

586
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: then he's asking different members of the class when is

587
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: it the best time for a woman to conceive? So

588
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: I guess they're in sect said classes. You know, it

589
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: seems like they're in biology. But then they sing the

590
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: whole song, which is obviously like subtext and also that

591
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: watching right she comes in, so she's a music appreciate

592
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: Asian teacher, right, but then she's horny, but they're in

593
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: her class. Stephanie submits her like Shakespeare essay to her class,

594
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: so she's also an English teacher. There's there's very confusing

595
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: what's happening at right? Which one in Greece? Two are

596
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: all about It's all about teen sex, but no one

597
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: is directly talking about it in a manner that makes

598
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: any sense. Right, every st like characters have sex in

599
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: the first one because there's a pregnancy scare. I feel

600
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: like no one actually has sex in this one. Well,

601
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: there's that one offline that ends with the principal breaking

602
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: in the fourth wall where she's like, I haven't had

603
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: my period in two months and then she says makes

604
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: some sort of she's like, you can stay after school

605
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: to make those up joke, right, And then she goes

606
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: and like turns to camera like Okay, I guess that

607
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: was worthwhile. Know that I like the reproduction song strictly

608
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: for the kid with the bass voice who goes like

609
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: where does the pollen go? Four hundred times? Oh, I

610
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: found it interesting. So many times on this podcast we

611
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: have come across a movie where a man surprise kisses

612
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: a woman just I don't know where without that happens

613
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: in this movie, except the roles are reversed right where

614
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: the woman surprise kisses a man. What do we think? Well,

615
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: I think it's just about as okay as it is

616
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: when a man does it to a woman, which is

617
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: not okay, but he was like smitten by it, which

618
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: is how they decided to portray that reaction in this movie.

619
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: Might that happen in real life to certain men, sure,

620
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: but also other men might be like, I don't want

621
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: to be surprise kissed without my permission by anyone? Is

622
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: the troupe? And it isn't because the one I always

623
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: returned to, just because it's the most egregious example of

624
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: that is the Brendan Fraser is a mummy where he's

625
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: in a cage and he lunges Farrell Fraser. Farrell Fraser.

626
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: He's shirtless, he's dirty. He lunges at a woman and

627
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: kisses her and then he's like, you deserved it. Like it.

628
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: It's like the most insane mummy and we're still supposed

629
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: to be Like he's how romant, he can't be controlled.

630
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: That's what I love about him. He won't listen. But yeah,

631
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: I mean because they played it. I don't know he

632
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: was into it. I mean, and maybe maybe I'm am

633
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: I victim blaming Naxal coffeel. Oh no, I don't know.

634
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: It's it's that registered with me too. But I was like,

635
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: but it made him so happy. I mean, if people

636
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: are going to kiss each other, let there be some

637
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: lead in. Let the person know you were about to

638
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: kiss him and make sure they're okay with it. Let

639
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: him go on a date first. Yeah, she she will

640
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: not accept his invitation for a date, no matter how

641
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: many times he has it with his hands tomorrow the

642
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: next day, and just like you don't understand, I'm oh yeah,

643
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: and then she mumbles, unless you're this guy from my

644
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: dreams and he'll show up and he does. He does

645
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: that look that is very much the movie is about

646
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: the secret. Yeah, Michelle, to the point where he shows

647
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: up at like the gas station she works at, She's overwhelmed.

648
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, are you going to clean my windshield? Can

649
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: I pay for this? Where are your maps? She's like,

650
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get on the back of his motorcycle

651
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: and run away. Other other trope we've come up against

652
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: a number of times. Woman who we know isn't like

653
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: the other girls cause she knows about a car. A

654
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: car Julia robertson My best friend's wedding and transformers and

655
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: transfer right. It's like I and we never see her

656
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: do work on a car, but she says the word windshield.

657
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: We see her something overall like and you're like, oh,

658
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: she was definitely wearing the list amount of clothes to

659
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: work on a car. Yeah. Yeah, she's working at like

660
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: a gas station like auto body shop. People need maps, Like,

661
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: oh my god, there was a time where that was true. Yeah.

662
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even pick up on that. Good noticing the

663
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: trope Jamie Dan dang Ding. I also love that this

664
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: this movie I think appeals to me so strongly because

665
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: it is a movie with a lot of needless musical numbers,

666
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: which I love, and it's about woman taking a man

667
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: and fixing him, which is my objective. Although she's not

668
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: very active in fixing him. He's sort of he's the

669
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: one who's like, I'm going to change everything about myself

670
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: even easier, but manifest destiny. Like she just like gives

671
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: him the cliff notes via cool Rider of like this

672
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: is what I need you to do. Come back when

673
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: you've exactly like Reddy Pins Jr. Had to. She's all

674
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: that whole way through, and she's like, you know, I'm

675
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: not going to lift a finger for you. If you

676
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: want to be this person, you have to figure it out.

677
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to like put a motorcycle together with

678
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: scrap metal. You're gonna need to be practicing every day

679
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: after school with Frenchy, the weird feral adults who wanders

680
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: this street and making creams. And he had to become

681
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: the best guy in the motorcycle, not even just go

682
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: it at a motorcycle, like he had to become the

683
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: best up. He jumps over a hundred few Like she

684
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: was not going to accept anything beneath a cool writer,

685
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: How did he get so good so fast? Look if

686
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: you have the need and you have the energy, and like,

687
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: look it's her vision board. He's manifesting too, he too.

688
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: Vision boards working at the same time can do a

689
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: lot of things. I keep screaming this at my lef

690
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: and no, you're right though, I mean, he changes everything.

691
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: So wait, are we to believe what happens to the

692
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: end exactly? So he comes back at like the Luo

693
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: in his garb and his goggles and his leather, basically

694
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: return the opera. But then so he reveals who he is,

695
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: and Stephanie's all like, cool, I like you still, and

696
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: he's like, I wouldn't think you would have liked me

697
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: if you knew who I actually was. She's like, you're crazy.

698
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: You did this because she said in the beginning, Oh,

699
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like you when you're you. Um, she's gas

700
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: lighting him, and I'm completely okay with that. It's nice

701
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: to see everything in a while. Yeah, I always liked you. Yeah,

702
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: you're not crazy at all. Let her do it. Yeah, please,

703
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: let's see more women gaslighting men. You're right, hell yeah,

704
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Well there's like that small I feel like the only

705
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: reason that was supposed to work. Besides the fact that

706
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: nothing in this movie has to make sense per se.

707
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: It's like there was a little bit of a connection

708
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: in that scene in the diner where she's like, you

709
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: probably think I'm dumb, and he's like, no, I think

710
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: you're really hot. Like he still doesn't say I don't

711
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: think you're dumb. Well, he's like, I'm dumb too. I

712
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: just have a British accent, so no one notices, and

713
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: I can say some big words like don't be insecure.

714
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: You're writing ever, you're writing everyone at this high school's essays.

715
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: He's gaslighting himself. That's things. If you're so good at gaslighting,

716
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: you eventually make something gaslight themselves, and that is it's

717
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: just a way of manifest and cutting out the middle man.

718
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: So in that way, she's like an evil mastermind, and

719
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: I respect her. She got what she wanted by literally

720
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: putting the least amount of effort and by just simply

721
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: a manipulative suggestion you're right via a very catchy song.

722
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: Maybe that's probably the catchiest. Yeah, yeah, I mean cool

723
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: Rider is better than any song in Greece. One. Yeah,

724
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't mention if he raped a woman in it

725
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: at all, which is all right, did she bread up

726
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: that fight? Yeah, that's still right there. But I mean

727
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: and then this one, the bomb shelter scene, is like

728
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: there is I mean, at first, she's like, I want

729
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: to leave, and he's like, you can't, can't. There's a

730
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: war outside, there's a nuclear bombs dropping. Okay, but they're

731
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: both sucking dumb as rocks. It's well, yeah, she he

732
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: convinceits her. The Russians are dropping nuclear warheads on them

733
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: right just right then, and she's like, you're right, we

734
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: have to we have to stay in here for our

735
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: country and for our country. And then I think they're

736
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: about to start like making out, and then she's like,

737
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and then opens the door. I forget

738
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: what happens, but she opens the door, and then the

739
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: two other tea birds like fall out into the bunker

740
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: and she does. She's like, oh so I like that.

741
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of times in this movie where the

742
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: tea birds, who are very toxic in their masculinity, being

743
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: very toxic towards the women, and they don't stand for it.

744
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: They're like, uh no, you're being gross. No, thank you

745
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, but then they eventually right they used

746
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: to come because they all end up together at the end,

747
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: which is not ideal. But I feel like in the

748
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: first movie a lot of that toxic masculinity went unchallenged

749
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: or like so, like remember in one of the very

750
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: opening scenes in the first Greece, there's just a guy

751
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: lying on the bleachers looking up a woman's skirt and

752
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: then she like noticed someone points it out to her

753
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: and she says like and she runs away, and then

754
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: all the other dudes were like, oh cool. Well that's

755
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: why it's like the Tea Birds characters are like kind

756
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: of unchanged from the first movie. But it's just like

757
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: they're not made to seem very cool. They're framed differently.

758
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: They're not in charge of the school. Yeah, it was

759
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: weird that they were in charge in the school to

760
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: begin with, Like ther dumbest Danny Zuku had to take

761
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: a fu pe class and he was so frail that

762
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: he couldn't do anything. Why are these guys in charge?

763
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: They know how to fix up a car, and honestly,

764
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: in my book, that's the hottest thing you can do

765
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: cars cars. Just kidding. It's like they're the bad gang

766
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: and there's an even like meaner gang that's cruel in

767
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: them in a nearby school, right within motorcycle distance. But

768
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: so those guys in the first one, they were all

769
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: about cars, like convertible whatever, and then in this movie

770
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: it's all about the motorcycle. Times are change, times are changing,

771
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: And be honestly, the motorcycle is my thing too. I

772
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: get it. I enjoy it bad boys. It seems like

773
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: there's at least some element of skill involved. Danny Zuka

774
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: jumps no ravine, Yeah, no, n and it does drive

775
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: through like you almost, like almost, But also like Danny Zua,

776
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: there's no like like like there's zero. I don't think

777
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: there's the explanation of the ravine survival. I think we

778
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: just assumed he made the jump and then hid for

779
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: a few days, Like the fuck are you doing there?

780
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that yet. Where was he

781
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: when he's hiding? He's had one of two things happened.

782
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: You survived and you should have been a school the

783
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: next day, or you managed to get an injury that

784
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: required only two days of recovery. He's mysterious with parents.

785
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: He lived with his aunt and uncle. Oh so okay,

786
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: so Sandy Sandy's parents I guess also this exchange program

787
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: at this school, just only taking in one student at

788
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: a time, and they're always white. And then and and

789
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: announced them on the intercom the day they get there.

790
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: We have another white kid. This is a very white movie,

791
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: by the way, even whiter I think than the first movie.

792
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I cannot confirm that because they're both very white. Is

793
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: there a non white character in this movie? I cannot.

794
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: On either film, and the first one, at least you

795
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: see a couple of extras who are people of color.

796
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you see that in Greece too,

797
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: If you would say, just a tiny glimpse of someone

798
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: looking at this wide shot of the bawling scene is

799
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: literally like the picture of Paul Ryan's interns, like a

800
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: sea of white teenagers, very unappealing. Any other scenes that

801
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: anyone wants to talk, or any other points people would

802
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: like to make. Man, this is a great movie. It's

803
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: so fun. I was prepared for like a This was

804
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: like a position to me as like a bad movie. Yeah,

805
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: because it's people mocked it for so long. I think

806
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where it's earned its

807
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: own cult following. And I prefer it more than the

808
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: original because it's just it's just a little more effervescent

809
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: and a little and there's there's more dynamics between human

810
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: beings and just also sucking. I can't reiterate how great

811
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: of a song cool Writer is. It is hands down

812
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: the movie like it should. You should just listen to

813
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: it in general as a song to listen to, because

814
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: it actually holds up as a pop song on its own.

815
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: It's really yeah, and it's uh oh we well, we

816
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: didn't say a female director, uh choreographer from the first movie,

817
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: like Salomon said, I love a choreographer directed movie. I e.

818
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: All of the high school musical movies are directed by

819
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: the choreographer. And you can you can tell because story

820
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: is not super and the dancings are unbeat and the

821
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: dancings in this one are superior. Far. Yeah. Director what's

822
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: her name? Her name Isa? So she choreographed the first

823
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: one and then directed and choreographed the second one. I

824
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: didn't even realize that I didn't do my research. It's okay, yeah,

825
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: I mean I really liked it. I well, okay, let

826
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: me read I liked it. I'm not a big fan

827
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: of musicals. I liked We'll never comprehend that a part

828
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: of people will get it. I liked this one a

829
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: whole lot more than Greece one, and part of that

830
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: is because I think it treats its female characters a

831
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: little better, you know, not a huge amount this could

832
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: have been. If I was to rewrite this movie, it

833
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: would be about Stephanie. She's smart for unch so fucking

834
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: dumb idiot but everyone and like I was, I was like, well,

835
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: all the female characters are down. It's like, oh, but

836
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: all the male characters. Everyone's done. Everyone's on Michael Carrington,

837
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: but he's also the dumbest of all. He's like, he's like,

838
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: I just want to put my dick in this blond lady.

839
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: So I have to pretend to be dumb and change everything.

840
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: Is anyone in high school smart? Yes? I was extremely

841
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: smart and good and I made no mistakes and I

842
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: was perfect. I mean, even if you're like a dumb,

843
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: immature teenager, you can still be like academically smart. You

844
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: don't have to be a fucking idiot who like can't

845
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: string a sentence together and when you're writing a paper

846
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: about Shakespeare. So I would have just made her a

847
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: little smarter and made her not so beholden to this

848
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: weird code that they've all decided as a thing and

849
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: been like, actually, I'm going to go and make out

850
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: with whoever I want, which is something that she says.

851
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: She's like, I can kiss whoever I want, whenever I want,

852
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: And then suddenly she's like, actually, nope, forgotten, only forgot

853
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: the rules. Whoops. So I would have had her be

854
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: more proactive about like breaking these established rules, you know,

855
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: breaking the status quo, actually doing whatever she wants, and not,

856
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, waiting till a man changes for her, although

857
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: I do like that that happens, so I don't know.

858
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: I just would have made her a little bit more. Yeah,

859
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: I can, in good conscience condemn a man changing has

860
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: to be in behavior that I would encourage in acts.

861
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: But he's already like mostly perfect. If you have to,

862
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: you have to test that pliability. How willing are you?

863
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: You're supposed to just assume he might change, Your taste

864
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: might change over the years, exactly. So I just want

865
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: to know, will you drive into a ravine for me? Yeah?

866
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: And he will also have that on my tender bio.

867
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: Must be willing to drive over a ravine because I

868
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: guess what else he'll do for you wash the dishes. Yeah,

869
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: I guess what else will do for you? Hide in

870
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: the woods for two days faking his own dead because

871
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: of the fourth head. And if he's willing to do that,

872
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: help you not assume that you will. Won't that he

873
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: will do with laundry. That's that, And he'll probably take

874
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: as long as it takes to try to make you come,

875
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, for two days pretending to be dead.

876
00:50:52,600 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna go down on Michael like he one. You're

877
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: like this guy. Probably what he's spent learning to do

878
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: those two days, just sucking on peach pits, just making

879
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: sure the two birds think eating pussy is totally They're like,

880
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: or they'll do the thing. They're like the ten second thing,

881
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: like are you good? Okay, my turn? You know they're

882
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: selfish lovers and they have childs. Oh no, they probably

883
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: go in dick hard ready to come in seconds. All right, Hey,

884
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about whether or not this movie passes the

885
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: Bectel test. It does. It for sure does. Like in

886
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: the first scene whenever Ms McGee and Blanche come out

887
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: and they're hanging up the flag and it's like, our

888
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: students are going to accomplish great things. It's going to

889
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: be a great school year, blah blah blah, and then

890
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: it happens again, like in the opening dance number, pink

891
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: ladies are talking about stuff. We're talking about being late.

892
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: The twin cheerleaders are like, hey, miss Mason's hair, I

893
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: love it, all three hundred pounds of it. They're talking

894
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: about their friend who gets the nose job. And then

895
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: just several times throughout the movie. Because there's a ton

896
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: of female characters, like probably more than men, even at

897
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: least ones with like significant screen Yeah, because there's a

898
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: lot of throwaway motorcycle guys who are not part of

899
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: like the guys, but they don't they don't really have

900
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: lines or anything like that is basically create or face whatever.

901
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: They're mostly guns right there. Yeah, And most of the

902
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: men we see are those either like random substitute teachers

903
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: or those motorcycle dudes. So at least you get to

904
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: see like a bit more. There's different types of women

905
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: roles in this movie, but it happens a bunch. There

906
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: are a lot of scenes where women are talking and

907
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: they are talking about men, but there are probably just

908
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: as many scene where they're not. And there's a bunch

909
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and and most of the scenes with

910
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: all men are they're lamenting or condemning women in some

911
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: so it's it goes there. They're failing the reverse spectacle

912
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: test is what they're doing. Right. It's like this movie

913
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: everyone's dumb in the same way, so there is like

914
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: a strange equality to it. Yeah. True. Oh. I wanted

915
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: to point out that one of the t Birds is

916
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: Selma's husband from Thelma and Louise. He just yeah, he's

917
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: just that just happens. He got tidecasted as a shitty

918
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: douche bag at least in those two movies. I don't

919
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: know what else he's in. That's probably a good chance

920
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: that he's been character actors. You gotta love him. I

921
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: love a good character actor. Speaking of which, Alfred Molina,

922
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina, conceivably, given the age range, was eligible to

923
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: play a high school or in this movie. What a

924
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: missed off we have had him. They're like, oh, there's

925
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: a lot of motorcycles, and then there's this the beefcake,

926
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: and he's a little different, he's smart, and then he

927
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: and then hell, he was just he had just done

928
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: his first role in Raiders at the Lost Arc. I

929
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: think in eight one, so he was already in the circuit.

930
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: You know, he probably turned it down. He probably got

931
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: an he probably tried to assume that everything has been off. Okay,

932
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: let's write the movie we rate on our nipple scale

933
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: of zero to five nipples based on it specifically it's

934
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: portrayal of women. I'm gonna give it to two and

935
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: a half. Go with it two, because while we do

936
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: see Stephanie the lead, having more agency than Sandy in

937
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: the first movie, it's still you know, everything is framed

938
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: around like the guy, she's gonna who's she going to

939
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: end up? With? Her relationships to men, and there are

940
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: you do see a lot of like female friendships and

941
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: this movie, although a lot of those aren't like poised

942
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: as these like great things that we should strive for

943
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: because they're most just mean to each other. Every friendship

944
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: in this movie is deeply toxic. Yeah, the whole narrative

945
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: just revolves around Stephanie's pursuit of a man or his

946
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: pursuit of her. So you know, it's not and like

947
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: I said, she's a fucking idiot. Again, everyone is pretty

948
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: much I don't know, they just could have been a

949
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: better representation of women. In this movie, so it gets

950
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: some some nipples off for that thing said I did. Yeah,

951
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 1: I did enjoy watching this. Like I said, I don't

952
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: really like a lot of musicals, but I did have

953
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: a great and you're right cool writer is a terrific song. Uh,

954
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: and two nipples they belong to I'm gonna say ms Mason,

955
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: who is like we didn't talk much about her, but

956
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: I love how she's mostly just like I'm hot and

957
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with my hair, and

958
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: I kind of want these high school boys to think

959
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm fuckable. And that's kinds of literally was He's like,

960
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: I want to see all of you, and she's like wealthy.

961
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: She could easily also be a student to give the

962
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: strange age range. So I wasn't super bothered by it. Yes,

963
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: so mine two nipples belong to Miss Mason. The music

964
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: appreciation slash literature teacher at Rydell Catchall. Let me give

965
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: it three because because I automatically and biased towards it

966
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: cut in as a fun movie musical, I agree that it.

967
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, all the problems you pointed out are very

968
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: legitimate pitting it against Greece. One, It's just it's like

969
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: a fan fiction better version of the first one that

970
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: works in favor of the female characters, and like, while

971
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: it would be cool for Steph, I need to be

972
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: like I'm actually going to do me right now. That's

973
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: not how this movie would end in any world. And

974
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I I liked it. I give

975
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that passed because everyone in this

976
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: movie is a fucking moron. If the men were portrayed

977
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: as more able to manipulate, because even like the one

978
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: big male manipulation we see in the bomb Shelter falls

979
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: apart because everyone involved is a fucking idiot and the

980
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: girls have the better songs across the board. The teacher

981
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: is weird, but also the male her male counterpart is weird.

982
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: And then there's the guy from the first movie who

983
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: passes out in the pool. Everyone is he's suffering from

984
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: mental exhaustion or something like that. He's very sick, because

985
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: the last time we see him he is just fallen over.

986
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: He's just slouched over at a mouthful of pills that

987
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: he's trying to swallow, and then like still screams because

988
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: there's a rat on her desk, and then he just

989
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: like passes out. He has muscular district. He doesn't have

990
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: control over his body. Like but anyways, uh, that's another movie.

991
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: I want to give it three. I'm going to give

992
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: one of them to Mr Spears because I just want

993
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: to know more, and then I'm going to give the

994
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: other two to paull It because I feel like she

995
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: ended the movie still thinking she was second best, and

996
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: I wish I do. She thought, I wish he hadn't

997
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: settled for Johnny, but I'm sure she like figures that out.

998
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: She should have gone with that nerd guy at the

999
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: beginning who's like, like the lockers, and he's like, oh,

1000
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: you can't go to those lockers. Are like you have

1001
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: to lock your locker because these guys will steal everything.

1002
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: He's his lockers like times, and actually that's a really

1003
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: funny joke because he's speaking to him as though he

1004
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: does not understand English very well because he's from a

1005
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: different country, but his country invented the damn language. He's like, lockers, lockers,

1006
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: You've got to look out the tough boys, lockers, lockers,

1007
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: and then just turns around and leaves, and then a

1008
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: tough boy comes up and he's like, hey, lockers, Oh,

1009
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: I also wanted to point out, while Stephanie has more

1010
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: agency than Sandy in the first movie, she still is

1011
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: not very active. She's just sort of like gliding through

1012
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: the story. That pretty much the only active character is Michael,

1013
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: who's just like changing everything about So I if the

1014
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: movie went my way the way I wanted it to,

1015
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: she would have had a greater desire and then done

1016
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: something to actually pursue that and like been more active

1017
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: in that. But you know, whatever I will do, I'll

1018
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: actually go with the three nipples as well. And I

1019
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: definitely do agree. Uh, the movie should have been at

1020
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: the end of the movie should have been the tea

1021
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: birds being completely dismantled and burned to the ground. They

1022
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: represent the patriarchy, let's dismantle it. It should have just been, Okay,

1023
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 1: I got my dream guy a pink ladies, we're gonna

1024
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: go punch these te birds in the face. That would

1025
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: have been a great ending to the movie, kind of

1026
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: like in the end of Mean Girls, when they're like,

1027
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: let's not be mean girls anymore, and then when they're seniors,

1028
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: you see they're just like all friendly and cool and

1029
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: hanging out with whoever, and then you see the junior

1030
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: plastics and they're like, what a mistake they're making. Anyway,

1031
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: if it didn't with that, yeah, that would have been

1032
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: the better ending. Um. And if I'm going to give

1033
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: my nipples anything and be to the ravine and whatever

1034
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: happened there, maybe maybe he fell into the ravine, was

1035
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: knocking on death's door. There's a wizard down there, and

1036
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: he's like, I'll grant you three wishes, but you have

1037
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: to sell right. I'm like combining Genie the Devil. Okay,

1038
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: there's there's some ravine. There's some billy goat down there

1039
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: who's like, also this half as wishmaking that he's basically

1040
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: he encounters a mythological creature down there who's willing to

1041
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: revive him and grant him at a huge price. So

1042
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: now Michael's walking around without a soul or without a

1043
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: dick or something, but he's alive. We gotta watch Grease three.

1044
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: If we never see, we never see what's going on there. Yeah,

1045
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: we'll find out, all right it alright Greege three. Okay,

1046
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: because you can bring his cousin back in him and

1047
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: they have to. Oh God, oh Solomon, thank you so

1048
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: much for being here. Ben a delight. Where can people

1049
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: find you online. I'm at the Solomon Georgio dot com.

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Speaker 1: That is my website with all my dates. I'm also

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Speaker 1: at Solomon Georgio on Twitter and Solomon Georgio everywhere else.

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Speaker 1: I'm the only one. If there is another one, murder them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: follow Solomon. You can also follow us the becktel Cast

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Speaker 1: on backtel Cast, on Twitter and Instagram and on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: And you can go to our website, our brand spank

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Speaker 1: and new shiny ass website scores space dot com. We're

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Speaker 1: not sponsored. It's just way easier. Yeah, go to www

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Speaker 1: dot becktel Cast dot com. You can find information about

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Speaker 1: our upcoming shows because we have a few coming up

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Speaker 1: for different comedy festivals. Check that out. You can donate

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Speaker 1: money to us to help us with our production costs.

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Speaker 1: You can check out just more information about who we

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Speaker 1: are and what we do. Hey, you know what. You

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Speaker 1: can also follow me Caitlin at Caitlin Darante on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me too. I'm on Twitter at Hamburger Phone. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I can't change it. It's been ten years. Don't change yourself.

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Speaker 1: Don't be Sandy, don't be Michael Carrington, be you and

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Speaker 1: myself and don't change No Reference thanks for listening,