1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Here's Drew, Hey, John, what's going on. It's going on, Drew. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: It's good to see you and all of you guys 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: out there for listening. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you right there and the three of us. Yeah, 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: three of us and you. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: Listening watching just the three of us OTAs, dude, they're 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 4: in full effect now. The first one was on Wednesday. 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 4: We're shooting this on Thursday. There's another one today, you'll 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 4: be out there. There's another one tomorrow as well, and 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: then to next week and then after that the two 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 4: day mandatory mini camps. Right, really, just about everyone was 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 4: there or is here right now. So with all that 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 4: in mind, here on in the Lab, present by Inxfinity, 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: who were a few dudes that you saw at the 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 4: first OTA who made you go hmm in a whatever 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 4: sort of way, Because yeah, there was lots of talk 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: about who practiced, who didn't practice, who was there but 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 4: didn't do this, and blah blahlahlah blah. But the guys 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 4: who were out there doing stuff, I know the answer 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 4: to one of these, but one of the rookies in 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 4: particular look kind of nice to you, didn't he. 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a few guys that stood out. 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 2: I'll start with Kamari last year really and not a rookie, 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: but I think going into the second year of what 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 2: hopefully is a long career here in Houston, you can 29 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: see where we saw this last year, kind of this 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: transformation in Kamara, Like you know OTA's last year. I 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: remember the second week go t as we go out there, 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: and I remember the first thing that stuff they did 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: at Darill and I saw Jalen Petrie. 34 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: He was at the nickel and I thought, wait a second, 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: if he's at the nickel, then whoa boy? 36 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: Okay, Kamari's out with the ones at Premier corner opposite 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: Derek Stingman. I thought, okay, I thought well and never changed. 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: And as you saw the season go on, you saw 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: Kamari seeming to get more and more comfortable playing on 40 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: the outside, just being himself, playing with a lot of energy, 41 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: a lot of. 42 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: He got picks and he didn't have any interceptions. 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: Again, that's right. 44 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it was kind of all you were seeing 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: it all, but to me. It was kind of energy 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: and you could tell Kamaria is just he plays with 47 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: his hair on fire. I remember when I was talking 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: to Derek Stingley after he signed a contract. I remember 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: sting just kind of shaking say like he crazy. I 50 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 2: was like, he does. But you like guys that play 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: that way. You know, that played kind of not so 52 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: much reckless, that's not the right way of saying it, 53 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: but just play with an energy and a fire that. 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 3: You want to have. And he looked really good. 55 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: Now he was on our sideline, so I could see 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: him probably a little bit more. They did try and 57 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: throw it sting once. That didn't go well. 58 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 4: So I mean, how many fewer times do you think 59 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 4: Stingley's gonna get targeted this year versus last year or the 60 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 4: year before. Well, it's based on reputation alone. 61 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: I think that's starting to increase. 62 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: I think I'm saying against other teams. Yeah, I think 63 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: it's starting to increase. I think it will increase. You 64 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: could see it a little bit at the end of 65 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: the season, like, man, we really don't want to throw 66 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: twenty four. We might throw underneath, we might throw short stuff, 67 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: we might do that, but we're really not gonna challenge 68 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: him with any intermediate or deep stuff. It's just you know, 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: kind of wasting time and you're threatening you know, turnovers 70 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: at that point to your offense, and so you kind 71 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: of I don't know, so I saw a little bit 72 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: of it as a season war on last year. I 73 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: think it will happen more and more often. The problem 74 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: is for defail for you know, posing offenses is all right, well, 75 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: you're gonna Seekamari last, so good luck. 76 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: I mean, we know that, right, but he's gonna get tested. 77 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: But then again, he got tested last year and I 78 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: think he really kind of rose up and showed, man, 79 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: you might want to go somewhere else with the football, 80 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: have a different plan so on. Fortunately, the Chiefs did 81 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: have a different plan, and that different plan was to 82 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: throw the Travis Kelsey and to throw to him often 83 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: in the middle of our defense. So linebackers and safeties 84 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: have got to improve in past coverage. But it was 85 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: pretty clear yesterday, yesterday and Wednesday whenever that was Kamara 86 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: Lasters is definitely definitely on it. I love watching Jalen Knowle. 87 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: In fact, most of the time I watched practice by myself. 88 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: I just like it that way. If I'm watching with 89 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: media members that are like, hey, what do you think 90 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: about this? Or they want to put you you know, 91 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: they want to ask me questions about certain things. 92 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 4: I want to watch. 93 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: I want to be able to talk about it like 94 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: we're doing here. 95 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: And so on Wednesday when I watched practice, I actually, 96 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: you know, Mark was there and so but he knows, uh, 97 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: he'll come over and say a few things to me. 98 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: And we were watching Jalen Knowle and he may catched 99 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: the end of practice where he's running kind of a 100 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: kind of a short corner would call sale route, not 101 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: quite an out route, not a seven out like a 102 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: corner route, but kind of in between that. And the 103 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: ball's gotta be kind of layered, and it's gotta it 104 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: can't be you know, lasered, it can't be floated. 105 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: It's got to be kind of in between this. 106 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: And Buddy mine called a two ball, not a one, 107 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 2: not a three, but a two right between. 108 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: And so throw is great, and Jalen's got to just 109 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: run under that thing. 110 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: And a ball is right at the sideline, so he's 111 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: got to run under it and then bang bang those 112 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: feet and it's right in front of him and you 113 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: can see it and it's like wow. But just watching 114 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: Jalen Nol move, it's so sudden, it's so it is 115 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: just so quick and so explosive. And one of the 116 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 2: things to notice Tea in Christian Kirk in particular, working 117 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: a drill with wide receivers, they do a lot with 118 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: their upper body, but they don't waste time with their feet. 119 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: So they'll give you shimmy shakes and all that the 120 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, and they'll swap and they'll swipe to 121 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: get loose. But they may take two steps and it 122 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: just goes boom boom, So you get all this activity 123 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: up above, but it's two steps and it's they're by 124 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: and they're gone. That to me is the secret to 125 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: really good receiving play. You see a lot of these 126 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: young guys doing all these kind of and one moves 127 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: and will take like eight steps like Travis Hunter, you know, 128 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: he was doing his pro day. He's working on a slant. 129 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: He took like eight steps to the right, eight steps 130 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: eleven and they're quick, but when you take that many steps, 131 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: it's slow. And you could tell Jalen Nole is economy 132 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: of movement, which I really like. So it was really 133 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: fun to watch uh Jalen nole Kawai Laster School. Seeing 134 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: Jalen Reid make a play back in his secondary he 135 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: was safety and stay safety the rookie. 136 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be. 137 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: A tough nut to crack back there once CJ is 138 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: back there with Kaylon and those two are back there. 139 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: You got Petrie Nickel, you still have m J. 140 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 4: Stewart. He's an interesting one because when I interviewed him 141 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: right after the draft, Jalen Jalen Reid, Yeah, he was excited, 142 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 4: he was happy to be a Texan, but there was 143 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 4: an edge to him. Did I talk about this with you? 144 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: I don't know if we talked about it. 145 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 4: There was an edge with him where he I think 146 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 4: he thought I should have been taken higher. 147 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: And the loot guys do yeah, good thing. I thought 148 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: he should have been gone all the way higher. 149 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: And I noticed that little edge with him. Not a little, 150 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: but I noticed that edge with him. And I think 151 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 4: that could be a nice bit of fuel for for 152 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: whatever he winds up doing this year and beyond. But 153 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: he's somebody that that was the overriding thing that I 154 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: noticed from him in my short zoom interview with him. 155 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 4: The one on one I did with him right after 156 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: I was drafted, So I'm fascinated to see what what 157 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: he makes of that. 158 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: But sorry, yeah, I think he you know, he made 159 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: a play, which is nice. Nice to see rookies just 160 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: stepping up and making plays. Of course, everybody wants to 161 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: talk about the offensive line and the configureation. 162 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 4: Well hold on, what do you think? What do you 163 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: think of Jayden Higgins the other wide wide receiver the 164 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: first time that the Texans took I mean, did you 165 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: see much? I mean it was just kind of like, yeah, 166 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: I mean I thought looked advertised. 167 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: You know, my my comp for him going into the 168 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: draft was Nico Collins. 169 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: And you know, you could see the differences when you 170 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: just watch them and you're like, you know, Nico's yoked up, 171 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: and not that Jayden isn't. But Nico has been in 172 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: you know, in this weight room for four years, right, 173 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: I mean you could see you can see it, like 174 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: you can see. 175 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: How he moves and his size and just his physicality. 176 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 2: We know that, uh, and we already know how Nico 177 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: plays as a professional. Jaden is still a little bit. 178 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: He's wiry, so he's not totally filled out yet and 179 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: he might might not. This might be, but then again, 180 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: you don't need every wide receiver to look like Nico. 181 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: But Jaden's very smooth for a guy his size, very 182 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: quick in and out of his breaks, very smooth in 183 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: and out of his breaks, catches everything thrown his way. 184 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: I think that's the one thing about Jalen and and 185 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: uh Jaden, the receivers really Now. I looked away a 186 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: couple of times, but at one point I said to 187 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: Mark Man, balls hit the even a seven, not seven 188 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: on seven and on air like ball to hit the 189 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 2: ground was like the ball got into the city of 190 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: the receivers. It was caught, which I think is a 191 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: great thing. Now, obviously there's no dbs, they're just running 192 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: routes on air. 193 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 3: I get it. 194 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: But we've seen plenty of times drew out of practice 195 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 2: where ball's thrown very well and you know, you know, 196 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: mittens for hands can't hang on to it. And then 197 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: we've seen times where receivers catch everything. And I think 198 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: over the last few years, I think we've seen more 199 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: of receivers that you have better hands. 200 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: And better to catch in traffic things like that. 201 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: It does help that you have a quarterback that is 202 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: very accurate and precise, so you know where the ball 203 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 2: is going to be, and right can put the ball 204 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: at different spots in your body to help protect you 205 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: from defenders making plays. 206 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: But I know two rookie receivers. 207 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: You know, we say this a lot as it pertains 208 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: OTAs when the team first gets together, do they belong? 209 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: Does it look like they belong? And I don't think 210 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: there's any question. It's funny because my comp for Jalen 211 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: Knowle was Christian Kirk and he's here and he's here, 212 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: and so you see the two of them next to 213 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 2: one another, and like you could see it like Christians 214 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: a little bit more filled out. 215 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: He's a little thicker, Jalen's a little shorter. 216 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: But you can just see kind of the same movements, 217 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: the way they move, how quick they are. And I 218 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: thought it was interesting, there's there's same the release pattern, 219 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: you know, instead of using you know, all these kind 220 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: of foot movements, they use kind of upper body movements 221 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: and it's very economy, like one two steps and then 222 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: they're gone. And I think that's to me, that's more 223 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: efficient than a lot of things you see now, especially 224 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: to see these videos on Instagram and all these young 225 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: receivers are like watch this release and it's like it 226 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: takes you ten seconds to get free, Like that doesn't 227 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: do any good. 228 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: Get free right now. 229 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: And I think that's seemingly what jaaln Mole's been taught 230 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: and he's caught on and the way that Christian Kirk 231 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: has evolved into that type of receiver. So it's good 232 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: to see Kirk as well and go, oh yeah, he's 233 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: a Texan. 234 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 4: Hell yes, finally, finally after you and I saw him 235 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 4: first game. Yeah, remember at Texas A and m Zigs 236 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 4: and Zags long punt return yep for a touchdown. That 237 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: was pretty cool back in twenty sixteen. All right, offensive line, 238 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 4: that's the big question work. I think by most heading 239 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 4: into camp, what's it going to look like? Who's going 240 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 4: to be what's the alignment left to right? We saw 241 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 4: a few combinations yesterday. I don't think you'll see those 242 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: combinations be the one that is out there in week 243 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 4: one yep, or if you do, it'll be a variation 244 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: of that. But how much can you really gain looking 245 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 4: at these guys right now in late May and judge 246 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: from what you've seen. I mean, I know you saw 247 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 4: some nice things, but how much do you have to 248 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: temper that with well shorts, it's may We don't what 249 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 4: happens if the bullets fly. 250 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: Well. 251 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: I mean a difference difference between a collision sport and 252 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: a contact sport is right there right now. 253 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: It's a contact sport. 254 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: You know. 255 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 3: It's like basketball. Basketball is contact sport. People might not 256 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: think that, but it is. 257 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 4: No, it is. 258 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: But football being the ultimate collision sports that changes obviously 259 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: in spring training, I think, or training camp. 260 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: I think. 261 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: The one thing I when I try, when I talk. 262 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: About the offensive line and offensive linemen in in OTAs, 263 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: I talk about the things that you actually can see, 264 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: but that ended up being important. You know, this guy 265 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: transformed his body and look I heard, you know, Brandon 266 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 2: and Seth on Sports Radio six ten on Wednesday or 267 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: Thursday morning talk about this in a sense not gonna 268 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: fall for the banana of the tailpipe if you will. 269 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: And I'm like, some guys, you're talking about a guy's body. 270 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that he's going to turn out to end 271 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: he's gonna end up being a stud. But I think 272 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: everybody you know goes back to Kennyan Green and says, well, 273 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: you know, as I would say, Kenyan's first step is. 274 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: A transform his body. He doesn't do that. 275 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 2: He's got no chance he did that, but it just 276 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: didn't come together as a player, And so I think 277 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: people look at it as well, if he got his 278 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: body right, he was going to be a start and like, no, 279 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 2: that wasn't that wasn't the way, And I don't look 280 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: at it that way. But guys have made transformation's body 281 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: wise that I think can translate into better play out 282 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: on the field because they're a little bit stronger, they 283 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: can handle different movements by pass rushers and defensive linemen. 284 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's one of the things that 285 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: you can see, Like just looking at Blake, Fisher looks different. 286 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: Cam Robinson's a unit man. I mean, that's a big, 287 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: well put together guy. 288 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: Been good Cam Cam exactly. 289 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: That is the difference between he and Blake right now, 290 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: Blake doesn't have a track record. He's played three or 291 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: four games, and you know, according to all the analytics 292 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: football nerdy nerdies, you know, he wasn't that good. 293 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: But I saw some good things from. 294 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: Blake and I also realized that guy's a rookie trying 295 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: to play one of the most difficult positions. And once 296 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: he moved over to right tackle, he's facing Chop Robinson, 297 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: he's facing George Carlftis. He faced some dudes and and 298 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: that's not the easiest thing. All the while with an 299 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: offensive line that was kind of struggling as a unit. 300 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: So there were some guys you can tell they've been 301 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: in the weight room, they've kind of transformed their body. 302 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: How the front five is gonna look right now? Hey, 303 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: they threw five guys out there and away we go. 304 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: And I know there's been a lot of consternation, Well 305 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: there's no competition. Last year, you know, they put those 306 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: five in and they were just the five guys. And 307 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: I always would say that, well, yeah, because what was 308 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: behind them to push them? 309 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: You know, they got the job because they were the 310 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: five best. But I think now they've got. 311 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: I think it's like fifteen bodies, and there's an opportunity 312 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: there for a guy off the beaten path that Jayalen Thomas, 313 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: Ladarius Henderson, maybe even to Eli Cox, to show themselves 314 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: in training camp and show in the three preseason games. 315 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: And showing the two joint practices. Hey, this guy's got 316 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: a little something. 317 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: Make the decision hard, make the decision at center difficult, 318 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: make decision at left guard and right guard difficult. Make 319 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: Cam Robinson work for supper if you will. It's it's 320 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: going to be a work in progress until it isn't 321 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: that makes sense. It is, and you know, and even 322 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: in week one, it's still gonna be a week a 323 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: work in progress. But it can be a work in 324 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: progress together. It doesn't have to be five independent contractors. 325 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: It's gotta be five guys that fit together and fit 326 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: the best. As Herb Brooks said in the movie Miracle, 327 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: not looking for the best players, Whitey, I'm looking for 328 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: the right ones. 329 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: Team that's the right one. Okay, let's end with this. 330 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 4: Demiko Ryans announced yesterday that the Texans are gonna have 331 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: a joint practice here yes against the Charlotte or against 332 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 4: Carolina Panthers, and a joint practice up in Detroit against 333 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: the Lions. It's gonna be against each of or gonna 334 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 4: be before each of the preseason games. So with that 335 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: in mind, I want you to give me your three 336 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: favorite Texans joint practices of all time. I'll start my 337 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 4: favorite Texans and Patriots at the Green Briar twenty seventeen, 338 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: basically because it was at the Green Briar. That was 339 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: the best of all time. 340 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: So that's my number degrees that practice, Man, that's my number. 341 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: One because Tom Brady was out there, Bob Gronkowski was 342 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: out there, Danny Amidola I think was yeah, I know 343 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 4: he was out there. Uh and he came and had 344 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 4: a stint here. I used to cover him at Texas Tech. 345 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: That was a fun one. Ye. Texans were pretty we 346 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: thought gonna be a pretty good team that year. They 347 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: had the rookie quarterback and Deshaun Watson. Things were looking up. 348 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 4: So that's my number one. What's your number one? He 349 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 4: got one. 350 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: I just hit this very very recently, So what do 351 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: you think, Well, there's there's so many of them. 352 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: The one that I tend to remember was the famous 353 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: Let's get the Bleep out of Richmond. 354 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: That was a fun one. 355 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: It was twenty fifteen. 356 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: Bons to Cours against the Artists formally known as the 357 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: Redskins and Cool. 358 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: It was raining, yeah night, it was you and I 359 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: were watching it. 360 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: We were freezing, yes, and then fight broke out all 361 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: over the field. And then that's the year we were 362 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 2: on hard Knocks and the famous right, it's one of 363 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: the greatest endings of the first episode of Hard Knocks. 364 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 3: Ever, all this has happened, and all of a. 365 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: Sudden, there's a shot a Kareem Jackson and Jonathan Joso 366 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: on the sideline and Jjo's miked up and he's like, man, 367 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: let's get the bleep out of Richmond. And it goes 368 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: to dark, and I just remember, like, oh, pretty good. 369 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: That was that day with the fights and the rain 370 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: and the cold. There's a funny story about that training camp. 371 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: I'll tell it here now we can look back, and 372 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: it's kind of odd, but we got there and we 373 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: were still doing radio shows and so they had set 374 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: us up a tent. They kind of took us over 375 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: the tent, and then a little bit later they walked 376 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: over and said, hey, when do you guys kind of 377 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: need to be in here? 378 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 3: And we're like, well, we weren't like probably after practice, 379 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 3: you know kind of thing. 380 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, because RG three's Mom's radio show 381 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: has to be here on Wednesday or something. And we're like, 382 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: wait now, RGIE three RG Three's Moms Radio And I. 383 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: Was like okay. 384 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: We just kind of like oh yeah, and then walked 385 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: away and Mark and I looked at each other and 386 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 2: thought what he was. 387 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 4: He wasn't a starter by then at that point he 388 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 4: had already not he hadn't started. 389 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: He was coming off the injury. 390 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jay Gruden, the thought was that he was 391 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: gonna come back and be that guy, and he kind 392 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: of got the first run and then they realized nope, 393 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: and then they went to Cousins. I think it was 394 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: they went the Cousins that year in fifteen. So that 395 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: was mine. All right, you got another one. I do 396 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: I have a good I have a good I have 397 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 2: a good story. I'd like to tell. 398 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 4: Well, you'll you'll tell it. Just let me tell this 399 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 4: one real quick. Let's do two. 400 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: It's actually because of you. 401 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 4: Three threes a little long. But my first joint practice 402 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 4: was back in twenty ten because that was the first 403 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: training camp that I got to. That's right, that's right work. 404 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: I started working here at the end of two thousand 405 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: and nine's training and actually had an in person interview 406 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: with Jamie Roots Rest in Peace where I'd gotten the job, 407 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 4: but like had to get the final blessing from the 408 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 4: president and then to make sure, you know, he didn't 409 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: think I was some sort of psycho. And it was 410 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 4: while the Texans and Saints were practicing out here in 411 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: two thousand and nine together, but it was the next 412 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: year in New Orleans when the Texans were practicing with 413 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 4: the Saints. Because you walk off the practice field and hey, 414 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: you think, okay, I gotta go cover the press conference, 415 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: I gotta do this, I gotta do that, and before 416 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 4: you do, there was a big grill. I know where 417 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 4: Tommy Stanovich of Drago's in New Orleans. He's got a 418 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: few locations there he's He's given out charred grilled oysters 419 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 4: and a piece of French bread to everybody walking off 420 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: the field, whether there's a player, a coach, where there's 421 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 4: a knucklehead like me covering them all. But that was 422 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 4: pretty good. I had a few of those, and I 423 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 4: kind of like went back for the free sample at HB, 424 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: you know, like had another round and then I went in. 425 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 3: What he didn't catch me the first time he got 426 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 3: He gave me four. He hooked me up. 427 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: But it was good and it led to it. Yeah, 428 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 4: we've been back and seen Tommy times over the years, 429 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 4: but I loved that one as well. And I love 430 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 4: joint practices. It's just good to break things up. See 431 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 4: another team, see how things work and see what goes down. 432 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 4: There's been a ton of them over the years. I 433 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 4: have a lot of other favorites, but those are my 434 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 4: two tip top favorites. What's your story you wanted to 435 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 4: tell you? 436 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: Okay, So I believe this was twenty Yeah, it was 437 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. 438 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: And so the year before we had gone to the 439 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: Greenbrier and we all stayed at the There was a 440 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: hotel we all stayed at. We were there for three weeks, 441 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: and I remember our good friend dB City complained every day. 442 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 3: She hated it, hated it. I thought it was just fine. 443 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: I did two so she hated it and I kind 444 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: of got it. 445 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 4: Well. 446 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: The next year, something got lost in translation and so 447 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: we end up having like, Okay, we can't get the hotel, right, 448 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: but we're not staying at the Greenbrier with the team, 449 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: so we have to go do airbnbs. 450 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 4: And so you already travel. 451 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Doherty travel took care of everything traveling, charged us 452 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: up with places. 453 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: We all got these. 454 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: So it's probably about I don't know, a couple of days, 455 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: maybe a day before we're going to the Green Brier 456 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, and. 457 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: Deep's like I'm panicked. I'm so worried, and we're like what. 458 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: She goes, well, just. 459 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: Drew got me this this place and apparently I'm staying 460 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: there and the owner just messaged me a guy named Marty, 461 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: and I have freaked out because Marty is this place 462 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: is like by the river, Like, oh my god, am 463 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: I gonna wake up this? So she got really panicked 464 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: about this Marty staying at the place where she was staying, 465 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: and so Drew and the ultimate you know, I'll take 466 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: one for the teams, like look, look I'll let me 467 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: stay there. 468 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 469 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: Dp's like I'm gonna go stay at the hotel. She 470 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: goes and gets the hotel like the Holiday Inn or whatever. 471 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 2: You go and stay with Marty and all's gonna be good. Well, 472 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: come to find out, Marty is like a mid sixties 473 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 2: woman who was like Drew, I'll do. 474 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 5: Your laundry, I'll do whatever you need, like the nicest 475 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 5: woman ever. Was so scared because it was like Marty 476 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 5: at this river cabin and she was gonna end up 477 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 5: like you know, James Connon misery. 478 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: Or something like that. 479 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, when. 480 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: We found out that Marty was a woman, I don't 481 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: think I laughed harder for that particular story. Yeah, And 482 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: it was so funny because she hated it so much. 483 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: And then she moved and it was like, Marty, Marty's 484 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: a woman. 485 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 4: So I've got an iPhone and uh, I think you 486 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 4: do too. And on the weather part, the weather app 487 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 4: that I have, Yeah, yeah, you can, like at your favorites. 488 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 4: Houston is the one that pops up, but you can. 489 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 4: You can add a few other cities. And one of 490 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 4: the cities I added is Caldwell, West Virginia, because that's 491 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 4: where that place was. And it was a slice of. 492 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 3: Heaven, like it was this really nice place, like there's 493 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: a river right right in front of you. 494 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 4: It was a river house on this property. It was 495 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 4: a private there's a private property dozens and dozens and 496 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 4: dozens of hundreds of maybe one hundred some acres, and 497 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 4: there are about fourteen to fifteen homes, each with at 498 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 4: least an acre or two of property. And this house 499 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 4: she she stayed downstairs, Marty did. Yeah, it's it was 500 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 4: almost totally detached from the upstairs, which was spacious and 501 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 4: really nice and a beautiful river house on this clear 502 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: river in the mountain in West Virginia. I mean I 503 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 4: drove in and drove out and it took about five 504 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 4: minutes to get from the entrance to where the house was. 505 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: And it's a rocky road, nice rocky road. And saw 506 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 4: at least a dozen deer going to and from every 507 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 4: single day. Shady. I mean, it's just it was perfect, 508 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 4: and so I always check them, like, I wonder what's 509 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 4: going on in called well, West Virginia right now. But yeah, 510 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: that was that was a good one. 511 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was fun. 512 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 4: You had a sweet house. You found a like the 513 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 4: top of a hill. 514 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: We were we were the downstairs of probably like a 515 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: five six bedroom house and they had created two bedrooms 516 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 2: and it was enough space. It was the four of us, 517 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: my wife had two kids, and it was perfect. And 518 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: so for the first week my wife had I can't remember, 519 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: she had something going on. I sh had conference or something, 520 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: and so she was gone the first week. But me 521 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: and the kids we had a We had a tremendous, 522 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 2: tremendous time. We were like overlooking. We like walked out 523 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: on the ports. Like the first night, we look out 524 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: and there's a black bear. 525 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, like you saw stuff like that. 526 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 3: Wow, Oh, I mean you just it was. It was 527 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: odd in a sense. But I think I'm trying to 528 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: think the very first joint practice that I ever went. 529 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 4: To might have been one of the Broncos ones up 530 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 4: in Denver. 531 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: You know, it actually was the week before it was 532 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 3: the Falcons, the Falcons from here. Remember Hard Knocks was here. 533 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 4: That's where Watt going over the bridge. 534 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: That's one of the great scenes in Hard Knocks and 535 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: it's such a good scene. But that was Falcons, and 536 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: then the next week it was Broncos out in out 537 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: in Denver, which we talked to Chris Clark about. We 538 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: had Chris clarkins studio last week and we were talking 539 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: to him about that and was he with them or 540 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: was he with the Broncos at that time? 541 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: And what I thought was and I asked him about 542 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 3: this because in the. 543 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: One on ones they JJ and the Broncos o line, 544 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: particular Chris, they were getting after each other like they 545 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: were really it was really tense. There were a lot 546 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: of like chest to chest blow ups and things. And 547 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: I asked Chris about, like, you became JJ's teammate the 548 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: next year, and you know, so you could tell that 549 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: Chris is kind of like, yeah, you know, we didn't 550 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: talk a whole lot, But I always find that interesting 551 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 2: about joint practices because there were always guys catching up 552 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: that know each other, play together in high school, play together, 553 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 2: you know, on the same team, and weeks ago sto right, 554 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 2: and so there's always people that know each other. But 555 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: then there's always my moment last year when I knew 556 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: the Rams are going to be pretty good, and I 557 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: knew their defensive line was going to be pretty good 558 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: early on in that practice, I was going to spend 559 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 2: the day kind of with the defense, but the defense hadn't. 560 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: I don't know, there was something there still waiting on 561 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: the Rams offense to get down there. So I watched 562 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: the first few plays of the Texans offense and the 563 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: first play of team Jared Verse. Whatever happens a run, 564 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: I think, and Jared Verse start talking trash to Larimie Tunsel, 565 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, rookies gonna get it now, 566 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: Like that's you just that's probably not the thing you 567 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: do to Laramie Tunzel. I've seen people Laramie would get 568 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: cranked up when guys talk trash. 569 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: I'm telling you. 570 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: The very next play was a pass and Verse beat 571 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: tunsls so badly, and I just remember going, well, he 572 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: talked it and then walked it against him, Holy smokes. 573 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 3: And then that defensive line. 574 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: Now, once CJ got the ball off, he's fine because 575 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: the secondary wasn't very good. But those defensive linemen for 576 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: the Rams, holy cow. 577 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: And I was like that. 578 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: I remember walking in and was walking in with a 579 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: guy Michael Hoyt. He's not with the Bills, I believe 580 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: played with the Rams. He played at Brown University and 581 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 2: so I had never met him, and so I met 582 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 2: him after practice. We were talking a bunch and talking 583 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: about Brown and that I was talking to him about 584 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: his defensive line. He kind of hit me, he goes, 585 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: we're pretty good now, and I was like, yeah, you 586 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: guys are pretty damn good. And it turned out to 587 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: be that way for the rest of the year. 588 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 3: But I remember that last year from practice watching Stafford throw. 589 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: That's one other thing Drew is seeing like the different 590 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: quarterbacks we've gotten to see and joint practice over the years, 591 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: Like we saw Matt Ryan and Peyton Manning that first year. 592 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: One year was Garoppolo his first or second year in 593 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: San Francisco, Stafford last year. Just seeing these quarterbacks, you 594 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 2: mentioned Tom Brady when we were up actually practicing at 595 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 2: the Greenbrier. 596 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 4: Just seeing him the Broncos. 597 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: Hey man with the Broncos in fourteen, you know that 598 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: was that was uh yeah, yeah, those those are the 599 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 2: two quarterbacks. We saw that that offseason and you know 600 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: those things. In sixteen we were out in San Francisco 601 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: and Colin Kaepernick was trying to come back from. 602 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 3: You know, an injury, and so Rogers, Yeah, that's right, 603 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 3: we were up in Green Bay. He was not happy 604 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 3: about that. That that kind of was. 605 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we maybe knew he was a 606 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: demon before that, but I remember after practice he's kind 607 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: of like, hey, Aaron, what's you think Droit practice goes 608 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: hate him? 609 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: Well, don't like him. 610 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 4: Somebody delivered the lumbered up one of his guys. 611 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: Your guy, Lonnie Johnson, Monny yeah, LJ Yeahlanie was good. 612 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, piece of word. 613 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: So that was fun. What you need to do now 614 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 4: with Mark is bring this up with him because he'll 615 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 4: have his own ball of waxe, yes he will, but 616 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 4: preface it and needle him just a little bit by 617 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 4: asking him the question, which I do this every once 618 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: in a while. Be like Mark Tome again was sticks 619 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 4: Sticks became led Zeppelin or led Zeppelin became sticks, like no, no, no, no, 620 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 4: it's to who that became led Zeppelin. His head was 621 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 4: like and he realized, who loses mind? Look who's walking 622 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 4: in That's perfect. So yeah, but bring that up with 623 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 4: Mark because I know he'll have his favorite band of 624 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 4: all time, that's a guess who. But a good answer 625 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 4: to favorite joint practices of all time with the Texans, 626 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 4: because he can probably go way he might have some before, 627 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 4: all the way back, all the way back, because you 628 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 4: got to put the first one between the Cowboys and 629 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 4: Texans probably oh two. You got to be in there pretty. 630 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: High because there was there but there was a lot 631 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: of drama on that or for that first one. 632 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: For sure. 633 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 4: We'll we'll do that again, all right, John, Good stuff 634 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: you watching listening, good stuff from you. Appreciate you me. 635 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 4: We'll see you next time. He's been in the Lab. 636 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: Presented by Infinity