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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast.

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Speaker 1: World Series Wrap Up edition. Of course, It's me Tom

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Speaker 1: Verducci with Joe Madden and congratulations to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four World champion Los Angeles Dodgers and Joe. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if I've seen a clinching game quite like that one. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know I haven't, because that's the first time somebody

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Speaker 1: came from five runs down to clinch the World Series.

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Speaker 1: But more than that, I think I just watched in

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Speaker 1: the fifth inning, the ugliest inning in World Series history, where.

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Speaker 2: That game was decided.

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Speaker 1: Your quick takeaways from what we saw at a Game

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Speaker 1: five of the World Series.

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Speaker 3: Tenacity from the Dodgers is really what stands out to me.

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Speaker 3: The mistakes. The mistakes were nothing new. I mean, mistakes

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Speaker 3: have been made. The Yankees fundamentally have really not been

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Speaker 3: a good ball club. They've been able to play out

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Speaker 3: of a tough lie. They play out of the rough

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Speaker 3: really well because they make a mistake and hit a

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Speaker 3: home run. So none of that really was a surprise,

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Speaker 3: I would impress me. It was a tenacity of the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers I watched them. I watch them the doug out,

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Speaker 3: I dot David did a great job, Roberts with everything

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Speaker 3: he left trying it in there for a couple more

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Speaker 3: hitters where I think most of the time he would

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Speaker 3: have been out of that game. I liked that move

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Speaker 3: a lot of watching their players. Damn, I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: they're never out of it. And again, it's just a

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Speaker 3: tenacious approach that they had. The Yankees grabbed it for

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Speaker 3: a moment and then they gave it up. They gave

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Speaker 3: it up defensively. They gave it up by not covering

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Speaker 3: first base. And it's it's not Rizzo's fault. I mean,

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Speaker 3: riz likes to flip the ball, but more than anything,

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Speaker 3: Cole never got over there. So don't don't start like

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Speaker 3: pushing this whole thing around. You got to get Did

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Speaker 3: you see when trying and covered for it? Was it

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Speaker 3: trying that covered first?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was.

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Speaker 3: I mean he busted his butt over there. Man, that

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Speaker 3: was beautiful. So you can't equivocate here. It's just that

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Speaker 3: they did not play well. They bludging well, and that

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers played more of a complete game of baseball

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Speaker 3: and I you know, when you look at it, we

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Speaker 3: talked about this before this all started. I think the

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Speaker 3: better team won. So that's it. That's my takeaway from it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, we're going to get into that fifth inning

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Speaker 1: and why some of those mistakes were made. But I

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Speaker 1: want to piggyback on something you said about how tenacious

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Dodgers were, and Dave Roberts deserves a

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Speaker 1: ton of credit because this is a different Dodgers team, right.

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Speaker 1: He had challenged them in the middle of September when

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Speaker 1: they lost about nine out of sixteen, weren't playing well,

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Speaker 1: Diamondbacks were charging, padres were charging, and they were just

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Speaker 1: starting to get healthy. But it was the one time

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Speaker 1: he did have a team meeting where he challenged his

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Speaker 1: team and they responded, and you're right, Joe, the quality

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Speaker 2: Bats just the way they played baseball.

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Speaker 1: What Da've t told me was they acquired this street

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Speaker 1: And he actually told me that going back to twenty

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Speaker 1: seventeen World Series Game seven, when the Houston Astros hung

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Speaker 1: that was pretty much it for us. That group would

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, they deserve all the credit in the world.

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Speaker 1: This team fought you tooth and nail, pitch to pitch

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Speaker 1: first inning to ninth inning. In terms of the bullpen

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Speaker 2: And you called this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Dave had a tight rope to walk in

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Speaker 1: You know Blake has been used a lot.

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Speaker 2: We know that in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: And if you remember the situation Joe, Blake trying's in

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Speaker 1: he did, Joe. I'm sure you have done this. When

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Speaker 1: not taking this guy out. You don't want him to

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Speaker 1: He gave a hand signal right way and walk quickly

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Speaker 1: get Hudson on Rizzo here and he looked across the

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Speaker 1: He saw Freddie Freeman, the veteran first baseman, and Freddy

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Speaker 2: The body language of Freddie.

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Speaker 1: Freeman convinced Dave Roberts to leave trying it in the game.

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Speaker 1: And before that, it was the body language and the

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Speaker 1: stuff was probably better than there was all night and

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Speaker 1: strikes out of Anthony Rizzo. How about those two sequences, Joe,

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I thought he went totally off script

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Speaker 3: at that moment, and I did love that too, you know,

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Speaker 4: That was my bigger concern.

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Speaker 3: I would think he's not used to throwing that many

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Speaker 4: And then normally I've always been.

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Speaker 3: Concerned when my one inning guys get to high numbers,

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Speaker 4: I like putting hand on chest. I've done that myself.

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Speaker 3: I get that, and there wasn't a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: I've seen that. And then he knew how much time

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Speaker 3: Buehler had left in the tank, or how much you

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Speaker 4: Something like that. Then you just pointed the bullpen.

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Speaker 3: But the way he reaffirmed it, and then Freddie doing

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Speaker 3: there's no way after he gets standing on one pitch

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Speaker 4: The whole group right there.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of things conspired in the moment. I

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Speaker 3: although those things came to play in that particular moment.

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Speaker 1: Now let's talk about Walker, because again this guy through

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Speaker 1: seventy seven pitches Game three of the World Series, he's

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Speaker 1: got one day off. Remember Walker Bueller missed almost two

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Speaker 1: a point in this season where the Dodgers, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: been that bad. But he's a big game pitcher. They've

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Speaker 1: Buehler gets on the bus and he says to Andrew Friedman,

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Speaker 1: Hey listen, if this game tonight gets a little wonky,

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Speaker 2: And Andrew Friedman rolls his eyes and like, yeah right.

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Speaker 1: Walker, Andrew's thinking, you know what, We've got a locked

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Speaker 1: Pokers are a game seventh starter if we ever get there.

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Speaker 1: But hey, thanks for offering Walker. Well fast forward. Jack

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Speaker 1: Flaherty's out of the game of the second inning, the

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Speaker 1: and Walker says to him, is this the definition of wonky?

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Speaker 1: And Mandrew Friedman says, heck yeah. Is now Walker Buehler's

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Speaker 1: says to Dave Roberts, I'm going to the bullpen.

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Speaker 2: I'm there when you need me. I mean, think about that, Joe.

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Speaker 1: He's a free agent to be after two Tommy John surgers,

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Speaker 1: I'm on the Yankee side. The Game three starter for

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Speaker 1: the New York Yankees was Clark Schmidt. Nothing against Clark Schmidt.

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Speaker 1: He was in the dugout the whole night with a

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Speaker 1: volunteering after two Tommy John surgeries, looking at free agency

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Speaker 1: So then Mark Pryor calls down and figures out, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess Walker's in play here.

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Speaker 2: He calls out of the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: He says, Walker, how do you feel did you throw,

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Speaker 1: and Walker says, yeah, I feel good.

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Speaker 2: I threw.

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Speaker 1: He didn't throw, he lied. He just wanted his pitching

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Speaker 1: as it turned out, they did need Walker Bueller.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast. Game five,

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Speaker 1: Inning five. That's an inning that will live in infamy

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Speaker 1: Lux at the plate.

437
00:20:38,358 --> 00:20:41,358
Speaker 2: Garrett Cole reaches back like great pitchers do.

438
00:20:41,998 --> 00:20:46,078
Speaker 1: He strikes out Gavin Lucks, doubling up on ninety nine

439
00:20:46,198 --> 00:20:48,838
Speaker 1: mile an hour fastballs, his best velocity of the night

440
00:20:48,878 --> 00:20:49,398
Speaker 1: at that point.

441
00:20:49,718 --> 00:20:51,598
Speaker 2: Super impressive. Sho Hey.

442
00:20:51,638 --> 00:20:55,158
Speaker 1: Otani is next, and if you watched Otani swing ever since,

443
00:20:55,238 --> 00:20:58,478
Speaker 1: he sub lets his shoulder, not the same guy, not

444
00:20:58,558 --> 00:21:01,558
Speaker 1: even close. I know he hit some quote unquote deep

445
00:21:01,558 --> 00:21:04,518
Speaker 1: fly balls, he had pitches to hit and hit him,

446
00:21:04,678 --> 00:21:07,878
Speaker 1: and he also chased a lot completely different hitter once

447
00:21:07,918 --> 00:21:10,958
Speaker 1: he sublects the shoulder. If I'm the Dodgers, I really

448
00:21:10,998 --> 00:21:12,998
Speaker 1: have to look at what's going on with that shoulder.

449
00:21:13,118 --> 00:21:16,558
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an issue for me going forward. I'm

450
00:21:16,598 --> 00:21:19,158
Speaker 1: not saying it's something major. I'm saying that's an issue.

451
00:21:19,398 --> 00:21:23,078
Speaker 1: He was not right in the postseason, and once you

452
00:21:23,158 --> 00:21:26,158
Speaker 1: sublects a shoulder like that, it's susceptible to more and

453
00:21:26,198 --> 00:21:28,518
Speaker 1: each time you do it, it's more unstable.

454
00:21:28,638 --> 00:21:30,678
Speaker 2: So keep your eye on that going forward.

455
00:21:30,838 --> 00:21:33,358
Speaker 1: Hopefully, of course he's okay, but he strikes out on

456
00:21:33,438 --> 00:21:35,558
Speaker 1: a nasty curveball from Garrett Cole.

457
00:21:35,598 --> 00:21:36,998
Speaker 2: So Garrett Cole base is loaded.

458
00:21:37,038 --> 00:21:39,278
Speaker 1: Nobody out gets two punch outs with some of the

459
00:21:39,278 --> 00:21:42,438
Speaker 1: best stuff that you're ever going to see in the

460
00:21:42,478 --> 00:21:46,318
Speaker 1: biggest spot. Then Mookie Betts comes up hits a ground

461
00:21:46,358 --> 00:21:48,358
Speaker 1: ball to first base. Off the end of the bat,

462
00:21:48,758 --> 00:21:50,438
Speaker 1: you look like you're out of the inning if you're

463
00:21:50,438 --> 00:21:53,318
Speaker 1: Garrett Cole. Now that ball is spinning on its way

464
00:21:53,358 --> 00:21:57,478
Speaker 1: to first base, So Anthony Rizzo cannot charge that baseball.

465
00:21:58,038 --> 00:22:01,238
Speaker 1: His job is to secure that baseball, which is spinning

466
00:22:01,318 --> 00:22:04,278
Speaker 1: every which way. You do not charge a ball that

467
00:22:04,358 --> 00:22:07,518
Speaker 1: is spinning like that because it's unpredictable. You have to

468
00:22:07,598 --> 00:22:10,958
Speaker 1: be very careful secure the baseball. Did the right thing

469
00:22:11,078 --> 00:22:14,398
Speaker 1: secured it. Garrett Cole took a couple of steps off

470
00:22:14,438 --> 00:22:17,718
Speaker 1: the mound just instinctively as the ball goes by him.

471
00:22:17,758 --> 00:22:19,718
Speaker 1: He really didn't have a chance to field it, but

472
00:22:19,758 --> 00:22:24,838
Speaker 1: he starts moving towards first base and then stops and

473
00:22:25,198 --> 00:22:28,398
Speaker 1: he just assumes that Anthony Rizzo is going to get

474
00:22:28,398 --> 00:22:31,398
Speaker 1: the out at first base. Obviously a poor decision. Here's

475
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Speaker 1: what I think happened, Joe Garrett Cole was out there

476
00:22:33,638 --> 00:22:36,518
Speaker 1: a long time on the mountain. He's reaching back for

477
00:22:36,598 --> 00:22:39,958
Speaker 1: everything that he's got. It was a grind throughout that inning.

478
00:22:40,798 --> 00:22:44,718
Speaker 1: I saw on his face, an on field level mental

479
00:22:44,878 --> 00:22:48,918
Speaker 1: exhaustion and his gears just were not working at the

480
00:22:48,958 --> 00:22:51,398
Speaker 1: time where he needed to complete a baseball play.

481
00:22:51,718 --> 00:22:53,118
Speaker 2: Instincts didn't take over.

482
00:22:53,398 --> 00:22:55,998
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of relief that I've got

483
00:22:55,998 --> 00:22:59,038
Speaker 1: a ground ball, here's my third out, and just the

484
00:22:59,118 --> 00:23:03,598
Speaker 1: mental fatigue of working that inning had him. His defenses

485
00:23:03,598 --> 00:23:06,438
Speaker 1: were in terms of reacting to the speed of the

486
00:23:06,438 --> 00:23:07,518
Speaker 1: play in real time.

487
00:23:07,678 --> 00:23:09,558
Speaker 2: It's a mistake. He's going to regret.

488
00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:12,478
Speaker 1: Like you said with Amon Judge all winter long, it's

489
00:23:12,478 --> 00:23:15,318
Speaker 1: not on Anthony Rizzo. That is Garrett Cole's job. For

490
00:23:15,398 --> 00:23:17,398
Speaker 1: the moment you pick up a ball as a pitcher,

491
00:23:17,478 --> 00:23:20,278
Speaker 1: you do pfps, get over and cover the bag.

492
00:23:20,438 --> 00:23:21,158
Speaker 2: He didn't do it.

493
00:23:21,438 --> 00:23:23,158
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm going to point something out here. I

494
00:23:23,158 --> 00:23:25,438
Speaker 3: had David Price do the same thing in a playoff game.

495
00:23:25,558 --> 00:23:27,758
Speaker 3: You're talking about Garrett Cole. And this is not an

496
00:23:27,758 --> 00:23:31,078
Speaker 3: indictment necessarily, it's just something from a coaching perspective. As

497
00:23:31,318 --> 00:23:33,438
Speaker 3: these guys grow up, they're the best pictures on the

498
00:23:33,438 --> 00:23:36,558
Speaker 3: team in high school, college, professionally, in the minor leagues, whatever,

499
00:23:36,558 --> 00:23:39,798
Speaker 3: and another major league team, they're the ace. Your aces

500
00:23:39,838 --> 00:23:40,998
Speaker 3: got to set the example.

501
00:23:40,998 --> 00:23:43,398
Speaker 4: Whenever you're doing drills in spring training.

502
00:23:43,198 --> 00:23:45,598
Speaker 3: Everything you said is probably accurate and true, but that's.

503
00:23:45,478 --> 00:23:47,998
Speaker 4: Still not a good enough excuse when you.

504
00:23:47,918 --> 00:23:52,158
Speaker 3: Build that wrote experience in your head that when balls

505
00:23:52,198 --> 00:23:54,118
Speaker 3: at the right side and the catcher should.

506
00:23:53,838 --> 00:23:55,598
Speaker 4: Be on screaming, get over, get over.

507
00:23:55,798 --> 00:23:59,478
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hopefill California, Central California is a scrummy

508
00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:02,238
Speaker 3: little catcher every time the ball was hit to the

509
00:24:02,318 --> 00:24:05,398
Speaker 3: right side, every time, not once in a while.

510
00:24:05,878 --> 00:24:06,358
Speaker 4: Get over.

511
00:24:06,678 --> 00:24:08,878
Speaker 3: You start screaming that out loud, so you remind your

512
00:24:08,878 --> 00:24:11,238
Speaker 3: picture to get over to first base. I'm not sure

513
00:24:11,238 --> 00:24:12,998
Speaker 3: what happened last night pretty loud.

514
00:24:12,998 --> 00:24:13,478
Speaker 4: I get that.

515
00:24:13,678 --> 00:24:16,998
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, man, when you got to make

516
00:24:17,078 --> 00:24:19,478
Speaker 3: your stars do the same thing that your non stars

517
00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:22,358
Speaker 3: do quite frankly and again, and I'm just pointing this out.

518
00:24:22,358 --> 00:24:26,358
Speaker 3: It's just a coaching point or perspective. So make sure

519
00:24:26,398 --> 00:24:28,118
Speaker 3: when you're running, because that bothers me.

520
00:24:28,198 --> 00:24:28,438
Speaker 4: Man.

521
00:24:28,758 --> 00:24:33,638
Speaker 3: I love when my best pictures are the better pictures

522
00:24:33,758 --> 00:24:37,438
Speaker 3: are the ones that really take PfP seriously and make

523
00:24:37,478 --> 00:24:38,998
Speaker 3: sure that it's done properly and right.

524
00:24:39,278 --> 00:24:40,038
Speaker 4: So that's it.

525
00:24:40,158 --> 00:24:42,878
Speaker 3: I mean, you're probably right, he got the ground ball.

526
00:24:42,878 --> 00:24:44,638
Speaker 3: I thought in he was over. It didn't really process

527
00:24:44,678 --> 00:24:45,118
Speaker 3: the whole thing.

528
00:24:45,158 --> 00:24:47,718
Speaker 4: But Nevertheless, you are taught to do that.

529
00:24:47,758 --> 00:24:50,118
Speaker 3: As a catcher, you're always taught to backup first base

530
00:24:50,598 --> 00:24:52,678
Speaker 3: on a routine ground ball to shortstop when you can

531
00:24:52,838 --> 00:24:55,278
Speaker 3: leave home played area. There's no run around second base,

532
00:24:55,478 --> 00:24:59,118
Speaker 3: for example. There's certain things that you are indoctrinated with.

533
00:24:59,558 --> 00:25:02,038
Speaker 4: Even playing catch on the line at El Centro back

534
00:25:02,078 --> 00:25:02,718
Speaker 4: in the day.

535
00:25:02,678 --> 00:25:05,878
Speaker 3: I'm talking nineteen seventy, you're playing catch as a catcher

536
00:25:06,198 --> 00:25:10,438
Speaker 3: with another catcher and there's like Del Crando or Larry

537
00:25:10,518 --> 00:25:12,558
Speaker 3: Hims walking up behind you up and down the line.

538
00:25:13,598 --> 00:25:14,998
Speaker 3: When you see the ball and as you take it

539
00:25:15,038 --> 00:25:16,318
Speaker 3: out of your glove, if you don't take it out

540
00:25:16,318 --> 00:25:18,918
Speaker 3: of your glove right and find this seems right, somebody

541
00:25:18,918 --> 00:25:20,838
Speaker 3: says something to you, this is the kind of stuff

542
00:25:20,838 --> 00:25:25,238
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. You talk about fundamentals, and they are

543
00:25:25,278 --> 00:25:27,678
Speaker 3: so important, and they are the little things, and the

544
00:25:27,718 --> 00:25:30,278
Speaker 3: biggest part are are is the little things, and these

545
00:25:30,318 --> 00:25:32,358
Speaker 3: are the things that you have to really grind on

546
00:25:32,438 --> 00:25:34,838
Speaker 3: in camp, and you have to get your guys to

547
00:25:34,878 --> 00:25:37,798
Speaker 3: buy your real guys to buy into so that moments

548
00:25:37,838 --> 00:25:41,238
Speaker 3: like this don't occur. So again, not you're probably right

549
00:25:41,398 --> 00:25:45,038
Speaker 3: regarding what happened with Cole just as a coaching moment

550
00:25:45,118 --> 00:25:47,758
Speaker 3: right here for me. Make sure that your best guys

551
00:25:47,798 --> 00:25:48,878
Speaker 3: do it right in practice.

552
00:25:49,478 --> 00:25:49,678
Speaker 4: Yeah.

553
00:25:49,918 --> 00:25:52,118
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, Joe, one hundred percent agree with you.

554
00:25:52,198 --> 00:25:54,958
Speaker 1: By no means am I giving Garrett Cole an excuse

555
00:25:55,118 --> 00:25:58,078
Speaker 1: or an out here. He's got to get over as

556
00:25:58,118 --> 00:26:00,918
Speaker 1: simple as that. There is no excuse for not covering

557
00:26:00,998 --> 00:26:02,798
Speaker 1: first base. What I'm trying to do is give people

558
00:26:02,838 --> 00:26:04,518
Speaker 1: an insight on what was going on out there on

559
00:26:04,558 --> 00:26:07,198
Speaker 1: the mound and how he let his guard down.

560
00:26:07,318 --> 00:26:10,958
Speaker 2: Shouldn't happen? Did happen? And then you saw him.

561
00:26:11,318 --> 00:26:13,318
Speaker 1: I mean it was almost painful for me watching him,

562
00:26:13,318 --> 00:26:15,358
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Joe, as this inning went

563
00:26:15,638 --> 00:26:18,518
Speaker 1: on and on and on, and he's out there for

564
00:26:18,558 --> 00:26:21,238
Speaker 1: thirty eight pitches in almost twenty minutes. In a pitch

565
00:26:21,278 --> 00:26:24,958
Speaker 1: clock era where you can't stop the game, the game

566
00:26:25,078 --> 00:26:27,678
Speaker 1: keeps going faster. He did everything he could. He's pawing

567
00:26:27,678 --> 00:26:29,838
Speaker 1: at the dirt, he was throwing balls out of play.

568
00:26:30,158 --> 00:26:34,358
Speaker 1: He's trying to gather himself really physically as much as mentally,

569
00:26:34,358 --> 00:26:35,318
Speaker 1: to get through this inning.

570
00:26:35,638 --> 00:26:36,278
Speaker 2: Couldn't do it.

571
00:26:36,438 --> 00:26:39,038
Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman gets him for a two run single to

572
00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:42,638
Speaker 1: Oscar Hernandez doubles off the wall. Game is tied, and

573
00:26:42,798 --> 00:26:45,718
Speaker 1: it was tough to watch Garrett Cole. He invested so

574
00:26:45,878 --> 00:26:50,558
Speaker 1: much in getting the two strikeouts on Lux and Otani,

575
00:26:50,758 --> 00:26:53,198
Speaker 1: and then it was a backbreaker when he didn't cover

576
00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:56,478
Speaker 1: first base and you saw him kind of wither throughout

577
00:26:56,478 --> 00:26:58,598
Speaker 1: that inning. It felt bad for him. I was surprised

578
00:26:58,638 --> 00:27:00,998
Speaker 1: the pitching coach didn't go out there. I thought he

579
00:27:01,078 --> 00:27:03,398
Speaker 1: really needed a blow. I'm telling you, Joe, I've seen

580
00:27:03,438 --> 00:27:06,118
Speaker 1: this time and time again in the pitch clock era,

581
00:27:06,478 --> 00:27:09,518
Speaker 1: when you get these long innings and long at bats

582
00:27:09,558 --> 00:27:13,038
Speaker 1: and you're in the stretch, batter after batter after batter,

583
00:27:13,758 --> 00:27:17,558
Speaker 1: innings get away. The one and two run inning becomes

584
00:27:17,558 --> 00:27:20,278
Speaker 1: a five running And that's what happened to Garrett Cole.

585
00:27:20,478 --> 00:27:22,758
Speaker 3: No question, And you're one hundred percent right. I mean,

586
00:27:22,798 --> 00:27:25,078
Speaker 3: what happens in these moments. It's not a physical thing.

587
00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:27,758
Speaker 3: He is tired, I get it. But it's a mental thing. Man,

588
00:27:28,198 --> 00:27:30,598
Speaker 3: When you bust it so hard, he's out of the inning.

589
00:27:30,798 --> 00:27:33,958
Speaker 3: If he does PfP one oh one covers first space

590
00:27:34,038 --> 00:27:36,518
Speaker 3: right there against Muokie, he's out of the inning and

591
00:27:36,558 --> 00:27:40,118
Speaker 3: they're pumping fists and everybody's happy. He's picked up his guys,

592
00:27:40,918 --> 00:27:43,918
Speaker 3: which a real ace does, and he did, he really did.

593
00:27:44,318 --> 00:27:47,518
Speaker 3: He kind of like let the the Dodger cat out

594
00:27:47,518 --> 00:27:48,998
Speaker 3: of the bag just by not getting over there.

595
00:27:48,998 --> 00:27:50,198
Speaker 4: That's it. Just get over there.

596
00:27:50,198 --> 00:27:51,638
Speaker 3: And I'd really like to know if the catcher was

597
00:27:51,718 --> 00:27:53,958
Speaker 3: yellow that or not. I mean, these are the things

598
00:27:53,958 --> 00:27:57,038
Speaker 3: that you get to camp and you know people players.

599
00:27:57,318 --> 00:28:00,878
Speaker 3: You have to as a coach, you have to be

600
00:28:00,998 --> 00:28:02,598
Speaker 3: prepared to have tough conversations.

601
00:28:02,918 --> 00:28:04,318
Speaker 4: And when they say the game has.

602
00:28:04,238 --> 00:28:07,238
Speaker 3: Changed, I don't understand that the game has not changed.

603
00:28:07,278 --> 00:28:10,398
Speaker 3: It's still ninety feet sixty feet six inches. Defenses are

604
00:28:10,398 --> 00:28:13,318
Speaker 3: pretty much still the same three outs. When you come

605
00:28:13,398 --> 00:28:16,398
Speaker 3: up to bat, it's nine innings, blah blah blah. Which

606
00:28:16,478 --> 00:28:20,198
Speaker 3: changed is a couple rules. But what has changed, possibly only,

607
00:28:20,358 --> 00:28:22,798
Speaker 3: is the fact that you're not teaching everything that you

608
00:28:22,838 --> 00:28:24,958
Speaker 3: had been teaching in the past. You think that more

609
00:28:25,118 --> 00:28:28,158
Speaker 3: some things are more important or pertinent now, and you

610
00:28:28,398 --> 00:28:32,718
Speaker 3: emphasize those. That's what's changed, not the game. The emphasis

611
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:35,318
Speaker 3: of what we want to teach and how has changed,

612
00:28:35,318 --> 00:28:37,918
Speaker 3: but not the game. And that's where I think people

613
00:28:37,958 --> 00:28:41,838
Speaker 3: get confused. I'm all for teaching the picture to spend them. Absolutely,

614
00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:44,718
Speaker 3: you want to spend them where you definitely understand how

615
00:28:44,878 --> 00:28:47,278
Speaker 3: the four seam rover the two seam and how impactful

616
00:28:47,318 --> 00:28:52,638
Speaker 3: that can be. Absolutely really, Louis reven is a player

617
00:28:52,638 --> 00:28:54,838
Speaker 3: from Venezuela. That and I don't even know that you're

618
00:28:54,838 --> 00:28:57,078
Speaker 3: in Boise. I got them out for early work. Actually

619
00:28:57,078 --> 00:28:59,118
Speaker 3: it was post work after a game, big strong guy

620
00:28:59,118 --> 00:29:00,838
Speaker 3: that could not get the ball in the air, and

621
00:29:00,878 --> 00:29:02,838
Speaker 3: that's I finally had enough of that, so I bring

622
00:29:02,918 --> 00:29:03,438
Speaker 3: Louise out.

623
00:29:03,478 --> 00:29:05,798
Speaker 4: I just don't to beat people. Boom boom, and I says,

624
00:29:06,038 --> 00:29:08,318
Speaker 4: I want the ball over the wall in left field. Period.

625
00:29:08,358 --> 00:29:09,918
Speaker 4: It's been going on. It's nothing new.

626
00:29:10,478 --> 00:29:13,318
Speaker 3: All this stuff that everybody's emphasizing or talking about, like right,

627
00:29:13,518 --> 00:29:17,438
Speaker 3: it's nothing new. What is new is we're not emphasizing

628
00:29:17,718 --> 00:29:20,838
Speaker 3: the more fundamental components of the game while we're trying

629
00:29:20,838 --> 00:29:23,078
Speaker 3: to bring some new tech into the game. That to

630
00:29:23,118 --> 00:29:25,838
Speaker 3: me was where everybody's missing. Not everybody, some teams are

631
00:29:25,878 --> 00:29:27,518
Speaker 3: missing the point.

632
00:29:26,998 --> 00:29:27,398
Speaker 4: All right.

633
00:29:27,678 --> 00:29:30,078
Speaker 1: I thought I got to give Garrett Cole credit too,

634
00:29:30,118 --> 00:29:32,558
Speaker 1: because as exhausted as he was in that fifth inning,

635
00:29:32,598 --> 00:29:34,118
Speaker 1: that dude got it together.

636
00:29:34,198 --> 00:29:36,598
Speaker 2: He somehow found a second and third win.

637
00:29:37,038 --> 00:29:38,998
Speaker 1: I watched him after he got off the mound after

638
00:29:38,998 --> 00:29:42,758
Speaker 1: he got through the sixth inning and he's zoomed right

639
00:29:42,798 --> 00:29:46,158
Speaker 1: by Aaron Boone. Boone followed him down. Boone had two

640
00:29:46,198 --> 00:29:48,358
Speaker 1: relievers up in his bullpen at that time. He was

641
00:29:48,438 --> 00:29:51,478
Speaker 1: ready to take Garrett Cole out of the game. Well

642
00:29:51,518 --> 00:29:54,958
Speaker 1: after Boone chased after Garrett Cole, he was back.

643
00:29:55,158 --> 00:29:57,198
Speaker 2: I want to tell you, it wasn't even a minute.

644
00:29:57,238 --> 00:29:57,918
Speaker 2: He was back.

645
00:29:58,118 --> 00:30:00,678
Speaker 1: Clearly, Garrett Cole said, I'm not coming out of this game.

646
00:30:01,158 --> 00:30:03,638
Speaker 1: So he goes back out there the seventh and he

647
00:30:03,678 --> 00:30:07,398
Speaker 1: goes boom boom, gets Otanian Betts, then he walks Freddy Freeman,

648
00:30:07,558 --> 00:30:09,118
Speaker 1: and you've got to take him out of the game

649
00:30:09,118 --> 00:30:11,638
Speaker 1: at that point, right, I'm not having him throw another

650
00:30:11,678 --> 00:30:13,598
Speaker 1: pitch out of the stretch. He's not going to I'm

651
00:30:13,598 --> 00:30:15,878
Speaker 1: not going to ask him to pitch out of another jam.

652
00:30:15,918 --> 00:30:18,558
Speaker 1: That late in the game, Clay Holmes comes into the game.

653
00:30:18,638 --> 00:30:20,998
Speaker 1: Holmes pitched like every day in this series. Now you're

654
00:30:20,998 --> 00:30:22,958
Speaker 1: going to see the attrition factor show up for the

655
00:30:23,038 --> 00:30:25,758
Speaker 1: Yankees in their bullpen and the fact that they didn't

656
00:30:25,798 --> 00:30:28,678
Speaker 1: care too much about exposing their best relievers on the

657
00:30:28,718 --> 00:30:29,478
Speaker 1: Dodger hitters.

658
00:30:29,518 --> 00:30:31,198
Speaker 2: The Dodgers are very aware of that.

659
00:30:31,278 --> 00:30:33,918
Speaker 1: I think They're almost hyper sensitive to the fact that

660
00:30:33,918 --> 00:30:36,078
Speaker 1: they don't want to show relievers on the same hitter

661
00:30:36,398 --> 00:30:38,198
Speaker 1: in the course of a series. They almost go out

662
00:30:38,238 --> 00:30:40,918
Speaker 1: of their way to do it. Yankees don't care. They

663
00:30:40,918 --> 00:30:43,198
Speaker 1: did against the Guardians, they were doing against the Dodgers.

664
00:30:43,478 --> 00:30:47,438
Speaker 1: So Holmes pitched a lot, so he can't go back

665
00:30:47,478 --> 00:30:50,398
Speaker 1: out after The Yankees now have a lead again in

666
00:30:50,438 --> 00:30:54,078
Speaker 1: the eighth inning, So Aaron Boone goes to Tommy Kainlee.

667
00:30:54,118 --> 00:30:56,638
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what is the options were, Joe, but

668
00:30:56,678 --> 00:30:59,238
Speaker 1: it's the bottom of the order. Kinley's coming in. We

669
00:30:59,318 --> 00:31:02,118
Speaker 1: know this guy's throwing ninety nine percent change ups, right, Well,

670
00:31:02,158 --> 00:31:05,398
Speaker 1: the Dodgers have seen too much of a one trick

671
00:31:05,478 --> 00:31:07,958
Speaker 1: pony in a postseason. That's the way I looked at it.

672
00:31:08,398 --> 00:31:11,318
Speaker 1: So once again, who leads off Keith a Hernandez once

673
00:31:11,358 --> 00:31:14,958
Speaker 1: again flat level stroke, takes it the other way. Base

674
00:31:15,038 --> 00:31:17,158
Speaker 1: hit to start the inning, not looking to get big

675
00:31:18,358 --> 00:31:22,278
Speaker 1: Tommy Edmund ground ball, base hit infield, base hit first

676
00:31:22,278 --> 00:31:25,158
Speaker 1: and second, And this I couldn't believe. Will Smith gets

677
00:31:25,238 --> 00:31:27,478
Speaker 1: up there, Canley walks him on four pitches.

678
00:31:27,918 --> 00:31:29,758
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got the bases.

679
00:31:29,398 --> 00:31:32,438
Speaker 1: Loaded now, and now Boone's got to bring in Luke Weaver,

680
00:31:32,558 --> 00:31:35,598
Speaker 1: his closer, who has never pitched three days in his life,

681
00:31:35,598 --> 00:31:38,518
Speaker 1: at least not a major league level. He's gassed, and

682
00:31:38,558 --> 00:31:41,118
Speaker 1: you've got Gavin Lux at the plate. And this was

683
00:31:41,118 --> 00:31:43,198
Speaker 1: a huge point in the game Joe, not only because

684
00:31:43,238 --> 00:31:45,118
Speaker 1: he hits a sack fly to tie it, but he

685
00:31:45,198 --> 00:31:46,718
Speaker 1: hit so deep to center field.

686
00:31:46,758 --> 00:31:49,438
Speaker 2: He also moved the runner from second to third.

687
00:31:49,598 --> 00:31:54,998
Speaker 1: That ninety feet was enormous because you know, after Otani

688
00:31:55,078 --> 00:31:57,918
Speaker 1: gets on the catcher's interference, which really wasn't a big factor.

689
00:31:58,398 --> 00:32:02,118
Speaker 1: Mookie Betts hits a sacrifice fly. So two sacrifice flies,

690
00:32:02,118 --> 00:32:04,838
Speaker 1: including one that moved up the run around third, but

691
00:32:04,838 --> 00:32:08,518
Speaker 1: the run around second, So the Dodgers scored two runs

692
00:32:08,558 --> 00:32:12,358
Speaker 1: on outs. Just great execution starting with the key k

693
00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:16,158
Speaker 1: going the other way. Uh one good at bad after another,

694
00:32:16,678 --> 00:32:19,318
Speaker 1: getting the tying and clinching runs in the.

695
00:32:19,318 --> 00:32:23,198
Speaker 2: World Series on sacrifice flies. That was so cool to watch.

696
00:32:23,558 --> 00:32:27,918
Speaker 3: Good at BET's no question pay attention to attrition. You

697
00:32:27,958 --> 00:32:30,358
Speaker 3: pay attention to attrition by having better starting pitching and

698
00:32:30,398 --> 00:32:30,998
Speaker 3: let them pitch.

699
00:32:31,518 --> 00:32:32,078
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't.

700
00:32:32,118 --> 00:32:34,838
Speaker 3: I mean you talk about the you have to have

701
00:32:34,878 --> 00:32:37,518
Speaker 3: a pretty good bullpen, do not have to match to

702
00:32:37,878 --> 00:32:40,278
Speaker 3: prevent matching up on a nightly basis, you have to

703
00:32:40,278 --> 00:32:42,078
Speaker 3: have like a lot of even.

704
00:32:41,878 --> 00:32:42,558
Speaker 4: Or ahead guys.

705
00:32:42,798 --> 00:32:45,958
Speaker 3: Okay, backtracking when this when the scores in your favor,

706
00:32:46,198 --> 00:32:47,958
Speaker 3: you're always gonna go with the even or ahead guys.

707
00:32:47,958 --> 00:32:50,158
Speaker 4: So that if you are behind any.

708
00:32:50,038 --> 00:32:52,798
Speaker 3: Game, yeah you could, you could then start matching up

709
00:32:52,798 --> 00:32:54,758
Speaker 3: your pitchers to the other team hitters.

710
00:32:54,998 --> 00:32:55,838
Speaker 4: You're not as concerned.

711
00:32:55,918 --> 00:32:57,878
Speaker 3: I mean, you're trying to keep a small deficit, but

712
00:32:57,958 --> 00:33:00,678
Speaker 3: if it doesn't happen, then you are saving your pitchers

713
00:33:00,678 --> 00:33:02,118
Speaker 3: for the next night in a better game.

714
00:33:02,438 --> 00:33:04,398
Speaker 4: So there's all these different things going on.

715
00:33:04,478 --> 00:33:07,078
Speaker 3: So with the Yankees not paying attention, that just means

716
00:33:07,078 --> 00:33:09,558
Speaker 3: the depth of their bullpen isn't as great as the

717
00:33:09,598 --> 00:33:11,838
Speaker 3: depth of the Dodgers bullpen because they have to put

718
00:33:11,878 --> 00:33:13,798
Speaker 3: their better guys on the Dodgers better hitters. They just

719
00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:15,798
Speaker 3: they can't put the guys in there that they don't

720
00:33:15,798 --> 00:33:17,958
Speaker 3: have the same kind of level of confidence in where

721
00:33:17,958 --> 00:33:21,118
Speaker 3: the Dodgers have more people like that. That's the thing

722
00:33:21,158 --> 00:33:24,078
Speaker 3: where you have bullpen games, where the ability to have

723
00:33:24,118 --> 00:33:26,518
Speaker 3: successful bullpen games you have to have a lot of

724
00:33:26,558 --> 00:33:28,558
Speaker 3: even or ahead guys on that team. And I'm here

725
00:33:28,558 --> 00:33:30,638
Speaker 3: to tell you man, that's not easy to do. And

726
00:33:30,798 --> 00:33:33,798
Speaker 3: one number two and you brought it up respect ninety feet, right,

727
00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:36,878
Speaker 3: that's the name of my foundation, respect ninety A good

728
00:33:36,918 --> 00:33:38,918
Speaker 3: at bat to me has always been when by the

729
00:33:38,958 --> 00:33:41,438
Speaker 3: time you get back at least they're running moved up

730
00:33:41,518 --> 00:33:45,118
Speaker 3: ninety feet. I've always always paid attention to that because

731
00:33:45,198 --> 00:33:48,358
Speaker 3: that in and of itself permits something else on a

732
00:33:48,398 --> 00:33:50,478
Speaker 3: smaller scale that happen that's going to benefit us.

733
00:33:50,518 --> 00:33:52,158
Speaker 4: That's where strikeouts are just.

734
00:33:52,198 --> 00:33:54,318
Speaker 3: Viewed as another out. I don't see it all that

735
00:33:54,318 --> 00:33:58,038
Speaker 3: that way. They talk about, you know, guys hitting forty

736
00:33:58,078 --> 00:34:00,678
Speaker 3: home runs but have six hundred and fifty played appearances,

737
00:34:00,678 --> 00:34:02,078
Speaker 3: what do they do with their other six hundred and

738
00:34:02,078 --> 00:34:06,118
Speaker 3: ten played appearances. You just accept strikeouts blindly in that

739
00:34:06,198 --> 00:34:08,358
Speaker 3: the fact that home runs are the only thing that matter.

740
00:34:08,438 --> 00:34:13,038
Speaker 3: Nothing else does. We're just talking about Kick Hernandez conceding

741
00:34:13,558 --> 00:34:16,558
Speaker 3: with a different swing, getting on base, starting innings, and

742
00:34:16,598 --> 00:34:18,878
Speaker 3: here we go. So it just really shows up in

743
00:34:18,918 --> 00:34:21,718
Speaker 3: the postseason where this stuff occurs, and it seems to

744
00:34:21,718 --> 00:34:24,198
Speaker 3: be highlighted and more important when in the regular season

745
00:34:24,238 --> 00:34:28,878
Speaker 3: he gets lost in the July seventh and Noise of

746
00:34:28,918 --> 00:34:31,558
Speaker 3: the baseball season, where guys are still more concerned, possibly

747
00:34:31,598 --> 00:34:34,758
Speaker 3: about themselves and not so much about the team. I

748
00:34:34,798 --> 00:34:36,518
Speaker 3: gotta go on and on about this subject, as you know,

749
00:34:36,518 --> 00:34:38,758
Speaker 3: because we talk about it all the time. But that's

750
00:34:38,838 --> 00:34:42,038
Speaker 3: all I'm unpacking everything you just talked about, things that

751
00:34:42,598 --> 00:34:45,238
Speaker 3: I believe in that can be You could have it

752
00:34:45,278 --> 00:34:47,238
Speaker 3: both ways. You have it both ways. You could have

753
00:34:47,358 --> 00:34:49,278
Speaker 3: everything you want we just talked about.

754
00:34:49,518 --> 00:34:50,638
Speaker 4: But you have to be.

755
00:34:50,758 --> 00:34:54,758
Speaker 3: Paints takenly taught. It's all about spring training. During the

756
00:34:54,798 --> 00:34:57,838
Speaker 3: course of the season, you have to readdress these things.

757
00:34:58,118 --> 00:35:00,518
Speaker 3: You just don't talk about stuff in camp and then

758
00:35:00,638 --> 00:35:02,078
Speaker 3: don't readdress during the season.

759
00:35:02,118 --> 00:35:02,998
Speaker 4: I mean on the field.

760
00:35:03,278 --> 00:35:05,878
Speaker 3: I mean like little many gatherings with the group on

761
00:35:05,918 --> 00:35:08,238
Speaker 3: the field at different times to review things that you

762
00:35:08,358 --> 00:35:11,278
Speaker 3: know might go stale from the Tommy did them in

763
00:35:11,358 --> 00:35:13,638
Speaker 3: camp to the time they're actually due to during the season.

764
00:35:14,118 --> 00:35:16,198
Speaker 3: All these things have to be discussed. Maybe they do this,

765
00:35:16,358 --> 00:35:19,158
Speaker 3: I don't know, but for the most part I would.

766
00:35:19,198 --> 00:35:22,278
Speaker 3: That's why I have approachings in order to prevent things

767
00:35:22,318 --> 00:35:23,678
Speaker 3: that used to be in the front of your mind

768
00:35:23,958 --> 00:35:26,078
Speaker 3: going to the back of your mind to becoming dormant.

769
00:35:26,318 --> 00:35:28,718
Speaker 1: So here's the bottom line. On the twenty twenty four

770
00:35:28,758 --> 00:35:31,438
Speaker 1: World Series. The better team won, agreed, And I'm saying

771
00:35:31,478 --> 00:35:33,518
Speaker 1: that because if you picked up a stat sheet, you

772
00:35:33,518 --> 00:35:36,718
Speaker 1: would see the New York Yankees out hit the LA Dodgers.

773
00:35:36,718 --> 00:35:39,238
Speaker 1: They outpitched the LA Dodge all the numbers when you

774
00:35:39,278 --> 00:35:41,238
Speaker 1: looked at you add them up.

775
00:35:41,998 --> 00:35:45,758
Speaker 2: It looked like the Dodgers were outplayed by the Yankees.

776
00:35:45,918 --> 00:35:47,758
Speaker 2: But if you actually watched.

777
00:35:47,398 --> 00:35:52,518
Speaker 1: The game, the actual playing and the execution of fundamental baseball,

778
00:35:52,798 --> 00:35:55,358
Speaker 1: the Dodgers wipe the Yankees off the field.

779
00:35:55,478 --> 00:35:56,558
Speaker 2: It was a mismatch.

780
00:35:56,598 --> 00:35:59,638
Speaker 1: And I can tell you personally that before this series began,

781
00:36:00,438 --> 00:36:04,438
Speaker 1: that's where the Dodgers knew they had the huge edge

782
00:36:04,478 --> 00:36:08,198
Speaker 1: in this series. What the Yankees did was nothing unusual.

783
00:36:08,558 --> 00:36:11,278
Speaker 1: It wasn't like they got exposed in the World Series.

784
00:36:11,718 --> 00:36:14,678
Speaker 1: This is who they are. They're not a good fundamental team,

785
00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:20,798
Speaker 1: base running, defense, sometimes swing decisions. It got exposed, yes,

786
00:36:20,878 --> 00:36:23,118
Speaker 1: in this series, because the Dodgers are a really good team.

787
00:36:23,118 --> 00:36:25,878
Speaker 1: They're not going to allow you to give you extra

788
00:36:25,958 --> 00:36:28,678
Speaker 1: outs the way the Yankees kept doing. And that is

789
00:36:28,718 --> 00:36:33,078
Speaker 1: the story of this series. One team played far better baseball.

790
00:36:33,118 --> 00:36:34,958
Speaker 1: I don't care what the stats say, but watching the

791
00:36:35,038 --> 00:36:38,838
Speaker 1: teams play it was obvious which one played the better series.

792
00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:41,718
Speaker 1: So Joe, we're gonna take a quick break here, and

793
00:36:41,718 --> 00:36:44,678
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts going forward here on

794
00:36:44,838 --> 00:36:48,318
Speaker 1: what's ahead for the Yankees and the Dodgers.

795
00:36:48,918 --> 00:36:51,198
Speaker 2: Will they be back in the World Series next year?

796
00:36:51,318 --> 00:36:54,398
Speaker 2: What needs to be fixed, what needs to be the same.

797
00:36:54,598 --> 00:37:08,838
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that right after this. Well, Joe, you talked.

798
00:37:08,678 --> 00:37:10,598
Speaker 1: About this with the Yankees, I think, and I want

799
00:37:10,638 --> 00:37:12,678
Speaker 1: to get your take here going forward with the Yankees,

800
00:37:12,718 --> 00:37:15,118
Speaker 1: because they do have some systemic problems that to me,

801
00:37:15,238 --> 00:37:16,398
Speaker 1: it's not about the manager.

802
00:37:16,438 --> 00:37:18,718
Speaker 2: Everybody likes to complain about the manager, right.

803
00:37:18,998 --> 00:37:22,278
Speaker 1: It's about the roster construction, the type of ballplayer the

804
00:37:22,278 --> 00:37:25,078
Speaker 1: New York Yankees have. They don't have a lot of

805
00:37:25,318 --> 00:37:29,798
Speaker 1: smart baseball players. They don't play necessarily clean baseball. And

806
00:37:29,838 --> 00:37:32,358
Speaker 1: yes they hit home runs, and you play poor teams,

807
00:37:32,718 --> 00:37:35,078
Speaker 1: you can overcome mistakes with home runs, but not when

808
00:37:35,078 --> 00:37:35,638
Speaker 1: you're playing in.

809
00:37:35,558 --> 00:37:36,318
Speaker 2: The World Series.

810
00:37:37,038 --> 00:37:39,518
Speaker 1: So if you're the Yankees, how are you going to

811
00:37:39,878 --> 00:37:44,358
Speaker 1: address this issue of needing to play cleaner baseball to

812
00:37:44,358 --> 00:37:45,598
Speaker 1: be a championship team?

813
00:37:45,998 --> 00:37:48,958
Speaker 3: You set the tone in camp Man's well, first of all,

814
00:37:48,998 --> 00:37:51,078
Speaker 3: it's going to be in the offseason Acquisitionally speaking, I

815
00:37:51,078 --> 00:37:52,558
Speaker 3: guess liber is a free agent.

816
00:37:52,758 --> 00:37:55,238
Speaker 1: He's a free agent. I would not expect him back.

817
00:37:55,318 --> 00:37:57,958
Speaker 1: I expect, of course, I Chisholm to move over the

818
00:37:57,998 --> 00:38:00,358
Speaker 1: second base. He's not a third baseman. He doesn't have

819
00:38:00,358 --> 00:38:03,118
Speaker 1: a third baseman's arm. I think it's a better natural

820
00:38:03,158 --> 00:38:05,318
Speaker 1: position for him. I think a big deal. I don't

821
00:38:05,358 --> 00:38:07,118
Speaker 1: know how you feel, Joe. I'd love to get your take.

822
00:38:07,798 --> 00:38:10,438
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge should not be playing center field, agreed. And

823
00:38:10,478 --> 00:38:12,558
Speaker 1: now I'm not saying that because he dropped that one

824
00:38:12,598 --> 00:38:15,198
Speaker 1: ball in the World Series. You're asking way too much

825
00:38:15,278 --> 00:38:16,918
Speaker 1: of a thirty two year old guy who weighs two

826
00:38:16,998 --> 00:38:18,998
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty two pounds who's gonna hit fifty eight

827
00:38:19,038 --> 00:38:21,598
Speaker 1: home runs. For you to be patrolling center field, it

828
00:38:21,678 --> 00:38:22,598
Speaker 1: makes no sense.

829
00:38:22,958 --> 00:38:23,838
Speaker 4: No agreed. Agreed.

830
00:38:23,878 --> 00:38:27,038
Speaker 3: I mean, even when they acquired Chisholm and Glabert did

831
00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:28,798
Speaker 3: not want to move to third base. I thought that

832
00:38:28,878 --> 00:38:31,118
Speaker 3: was wrong. I mean, put the more athletic guys at

833
00:38:31,158 --> 00:38:34,278
Speaker 3: second base. I've seen and listen, I love gliber Trust.

834
00:38:34,318 --> 00:38:36,838
Speaker 3: People got to know this way the nicest kids you're

835
00:38:36,878 --> 00:38:39,718
Speaker 3: ever going to meet in your life. He offensively helped

836
00:38:39,758 --> 00:38:42,478
Speaker 3: them so much hitting leadoff, which would never have expected

837
00:38:42,518 --> 00:38:43,518
Speaker 3: to have worked, but it did.

838
00:38:44,078 --> 00:38:45,478
Speaker 4: But athletically he's.

839
00:38:45,358 --> 00:38:46,958
Speaker 3: Just a little bit slower, he's a little bit thicker

840
00:38:46,998 --> 00:38:50,038
Speaker 3: in the bottom half. Go to third base and play

841
00:38:50,078 --> 00:38:51,998
Speaker 3: third base. I let the more athletic guy be up

842
00:38:52,038 --> 00:38:54,358
Speaker 3: the middle. So I thought at the beginning that was

843
00:38:54,678 --> 00:38:58,758
Speaker 3: that should have been differently handled. So that's one of

844
00:38:58,758 --> 00:39:01,198
Speaker 3: the moves going to take care of itself because Glibrary

845
00:39:01,238 --> 00:39:02,758
Speaker 3: will not be back, and I agree with that. On

846
00:39:02,758 --> 00:39:05,478
Speaker 3: the other hand, then and then there's the Sodo Judge thing.

847
00:39:05,798 --> 00:39:09,478
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, you know, on the surface, Judge

848
00:39:09,478 --> 00:39:11,718
Speaker 3: should be a right fielder. I think that's where he

849
00:39:11,758 --> 00:39:14,238
Speaker 3: looks the best. His arm and everything else plays so

850
00:39:14,318 --> 00:39:16,798
Speaker 3: well over there. They could retain Sodo and put him

851
00:39:16,838 --> 00:39:18,518
Speaker 3: on the other side and Judge and right that's their

852
00:39:18,558 --> 00:39:20,638
Speaker 3: best that's their best team. And now you go out

853
00:39:20,678 --> 00:39:23,598
Speaker 3: and find yourself a real center fielder. I haven't done

854
00:39:23,598 --> 00:39:25,278
Speaker 3: my homework on that yet, so I don't even know.

855
00:39:26,078 --> 00:39:28,278
Speaker 3: Just see if the Angels will. I guess Trotty's going

856
00:39:28,358 --> 00:39:30,598
Speaker 3: to move out of center field, But do what you

857
00:39:30,638 --> 00:39:33,638
Speaker 3: can to get yourself a real center fielder. Right there,

858
00:39:33,918 --> 00:39:35,678
Speaker 3: I'm saying Riz probably is not going to be back

859
00:39:35,718 --> 00:39:38,478
Speaker 3: at first space. There's another opening right there. I like

860
00:39:38,558 --> 00:39:40,438
Speaker 3: to catch her a lot. I like Wells a lot.

861
00:39:40,518 --> 00:39:41,118
Speaker 4: Yeah I do, I do.

862
00:39:41,598 --> 00:39:44,518
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know whatever happened there. He's straightforward.

863
00:39:44,998 --> 00:39:47,318
Speaker 3: I think he's got a good swing. There's a lot

864
00:39:47,358 --> 00:39:49,718
Speaker 3: to like. I love his look. The guy's got great face.

865
00:39:50,198 --> 00:39:52,158
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of his. And the short stop.

866
00:39:52,318 --> 00:39:55,518
Speaker 3: I love the short stuff too. Starting pitching wise, you know,

867
00:39:55,718 --> 00:39:58,518
Speaker 3: get everybody healthy and well and maybe augmented a bit.

868
00:39:58,558 --> 00:40:01,158
Speaker 3: They have to, I mean, Holmes is not as reliable

869
00:40:01,158 --> 00:40:02,958
Speaker 3: as he needs to be, so they're gonna have to

870
00:40:02,958 --> 00:40:05,718
Speaker 3: tweak the book and like every nobody else's but primarily

871
00:40:06,278 --> 00:40:10,198
Speaker 3: judge out of center shas it's at second. So third

872
00:40:10,238 --> 00:40:12,638
Speaker 3: base and center field will be the big acquisition. In

873
00:40:12,678 --> 00:40:15,038
Speaker 3: first base, that's where they got to look to get

874
00:40:15,038 --> 00:40:16,598
Speaker 3: better I think into the next season.

875
00:40:17,638 --> 00:40:20,358
Speaker 4: So that's it, I mean, I agree with you. And

876
00:40:20,398 --> 00:40:21,158
Speaker 4: then on top of.

877
00:40:21,118 --> 00:40:26,198
Speaker 3: That, go to camp and pound pound the fundamental components

878
00:40:26,198 --> 00:40:26,558
Speaker 3: of the game.

879
00:40:26,598 --> 00:40:27,918
Speaker 4: I mean pound them.

880
00:40:28,518 --> 00:40:32,878
Speaker 3: I don't know who their their key instructors are on

881
00:40:32,958 --> 00:40:35,598
Speaker 3: the major league team and or in the minor league situation,

882
00:40:36,078 --> 00:40:39,078
Speaker 3: but they that's where I would begin and that would

883
00:40:39,078 --> 00:40:42,038
Speaker 3: That would be the emphasis of off season for me,

884
00:40:42,078 --> 00:40:45,918
Speaker 3: Outside of analytically trying to acquire the positions we talked about,

885
00:40:45,998 --> 00:40:48,518
Speaker 3: I would really try to not try to. I would

886
00:40:48,558 --> 00:40:50,838
Speaker 3: nail down who is going to be teaching what and

887
00:40:50,878 --> 00:40:54,278
Speaker 3: what are we going to be teaching, and don't copycats somebody?

888
00:40:54,278 --> 00:40:56,318
Speaker 3: All right, just oh they did this really well, we

889
00:40:56,358 --> 00:40:58,518
Speaker 3: want to be like them. What do you guys think,

890
00:40:58,758 --> 00:41:00,958
Speaker 3: How do we think? What is important to us? How

891
00:41:00,958 --> 00:41:02,998
Speaker 3: do we want to see our guys playing out there?

892
00:41:03,278 --> 00:41:06,518
Speaker 3: Arrive at that point and then do that. Everybody wants

893
00:41:06,558 --> 00:41:07,518
Speaker 3: to be like everybody else.

894
00:41:07,598 --> 00:41:09,678
Speaker 4: Crap, I'm not into it. Do all of that.

895
00:41:09,798 --> 00:41:13,358
Speaker 3: Get your best instructors, or hire your best instructors, give them,

896
00:41:13,438 --> 00:41:16,158
Speaker 3: give them some direction, then leave them alone, and then

897
00:41:16,318 --> 00:41:18,518
Speaker 3: really make sure that the stuff that occurred this year

898
00:41:18,718 --> 00:41:20,038
Speaker 3: doesn't happen again next year.

899
00:41:20,318 --> 00:41:22,798
Speaker 1: Well, I know this, Joe, that Scott Boris, who's the

900
00:41:22,798 --> 00:41:26,478
Speaker 1: agent for Juan Soto. He's got the Yankees painted into

901
00:41:26,518 --> 00:41:29,598
Speaker 1: a corner here. Yea, they really really.

902
00:41:29,318 --> 00:41:30,878
Speaker 2: Need to keep Juan Soto.

903
00:41:31,838 --> 00:41:34,158
Speaker 1: There's a couple of factors there that are going to

904
00:41:34,198 --> 00:41:36,678
Speaker 1: make it difficult. Number one, the price they're going to

905
00:41:36,718 --> 00:41:39,798
Speaker 1: have to pay. Him much more than Aaron Judge. They're

906
00:41:39,798 --> 00:41:41,958
Speaker 1: going to have to pay him more than shoe Hey

907
00:41:41,958 --> 00:41:45,558
Speaker 1: Otani on an average annual basis in present day dollars.

908
00:41:46,758 --> 00:41:48,478
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to go that far.

909
00:41:48,638 --> 00:41:50,798
Speaker 2: The problem is there is no plan B.

910
00:41:51,398 --> 00:41:55,358
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the Yankees, this team without Juan Soto.

911
00:41:56,078 --> 00:41:58,998
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just nobody else who comes close.

912
00:41:59,038 --> 00:42:01,758
Speaker 1: And you can sign three other guys, but Juan Soto

913
00:42:02,438 --> 00:42:04,678
Speaker 1: is one of the four or five best play hitters

914
00:42:04,678 --> 00:42:07,078
Speaker 1: in the game, maybe all time. When you think about

915
00:42:07,118 --> 00:42:08,998
Speaker 1: what he's done at this age, the age of twenty six,

916
00:42:09,038 --> 00:42:11,638
Speaker 1: he's just getting into his prime. You know, he's battle

917
00:42:11,678 --> 00:42:13,478
Speaker 1: tested in New York. You don't have to worry about

918
00:42:13,558 --> 00:42:15,678
Speaker 1: him fitting in in terms of the pressure.

919
00:42:16,838 --> 00:42:16,918
Speaker 4: Is.

920
00:42:17,198 --> 00:42:21,318
Speaker 1: To me, he's the most consistent, most reliable, most guaranteed

921
00:42:21,478 --> 00:42:24,798
Speaker 1: hitting superstar there is in the game because he controls

922
00:42:24,798 --> 00:42:27,278
Speaker 1: the strikes on so well. But you've got a team

923
00:42:27,318 --> 00:42:29,798
Speaker 1: across town of the New York Mets, who, let's face it,

924
00:42:29,798 --> 00:42:33,118
Speaker 1: they got to the NLCS. They are a World Series

925
00:42:33,198 --> 00:42:36,118
Speaker 1: ready team or close to it. Won Soto puts them

926
00:42:36,158 --> 00:42:38,198
Speaker 1: over the top. And I think when you've got an

927
00:42:38,238 --> 00:42:41,518
Speaker 1: owner like Steve Cohen. He doesn't have concerns that the

928
00:42:41,598 --> 00:42:44,998
Speaker 1: Yankees have about blowing past a certain number or whether

929
00:42:45,038 --> 00:42:47,678
Speaker 1: you're going to upset another star in your team. Steve

930
00:42:47,678 --> 00:42:49,678
Speaker 1: Collen has a different idea of what money is than

931
00:42:49,718 --> 00:42:51,598
Speaker 1: every other owner in baseball.

932
00:42:51,718 --> 00:42:53,358
Speaker 2: He will not be outbid.

933
00:42:53,558 --> 00:42:55,878
Speaker 1: And when I look at Juan Soto, yeah, he loves

934
00:42:55,918 --> 00:42:59,718
Speaker 1: the penn stripes, he love playing in New York. Does

935
00:42:59,718 --> 00:43:01,838
Speaker 1: that mean he's gonna take less money to be a Yankee? No,

936
00:43:01,878 --> 00:43:03,598
Speaker 1: of course not. He's going to take the best deal.

937
00:43:04,038 --> 00:43:07,758
Speaker 1: He's going to set a record in terms of a contract.

938
00:43:07,838 --> 00:43:12,158
Speaker 1: Alex Rodriguez didn't sign with the last place Texas Rangers. Folks,

939
00:43:12,158 --> 00:43:14,518
Speaker 1: if you think these guys fall in love with legacy

940
00:43:14,598 --> 00:43:17,198
Speaker 1: and pinstripes and you had a good forget it. It's

941
00:43:17,238 --> 00:43:20,718
Speaker 1: about the contract at this point. So I actually think

942
00:43:20,758 --> 00:43:22,438
Speaker 1: I'd give the Mets a little bit of an edge

943
00:43:22,478 --> 00:43:26,198
Speaker 1: on signing one Soda. I don't see another team signing them.

944
00:43:26,238 --> 00:43:28,478
Speaker 1: I will see other teams get in. You'll hear about

945
00:43:28,518 --> 00:43:30,838
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. I don't pay much attention to that. The

946
00:43:30,878 --> 00:43:33,958
Speaker 1: Giants obviously they get on you, on everybody, but don't

947
00:43:33,958 --> 00:43:37,118
Speaker 1: get them. But I think it's a Yankees Mets bid

948
00:43:37,198 --> 00:43:39,878
Speaker 1: and I think the Mets look like a dangerous bidder.

949
00:43:40,038 --> 00:43:42,158
Speaker 3: Of course they do, and of course they are, and

950
00:43:43,118 --> 00:43:45,958
Speaker 3: that would be rather interesting watching that unfold. But I

951
00:43:45,998 --> 00:43:49,078
Speaker 3: know we just just said about the Dodgers, but getting

952
00:43:49,118 --> 00:43:51,678
Speaker 3: back to the World Series next year. In order for

953
00:43:51,718 --> 00:43:54,758
Speaker 3: the Dodgers possibly to get back next year, Soda would

954
00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:57,638
Speaker 3: be the lynchminto doing something like that, like the like

955
00:43:57,678 --> 00:43:59,718
Speaker 3: Show Hey was this year, and of course for the

956
00:43:59,798 --> 00:44:01,838
Speaker 3: Yankees to even have a chance to do it again,

957
00:44:02,558 --> 00:44:03,198
Speaker 3: of course.

958
00:44:02,958 --> 00:44:05,158
Speaker 4: He has to remain there. So you're right.

959
00:44:05,198 --> 00:44:07,598
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy is gonna be the hottest topic

960
00:44:07,798 --> 00:44:09,278
Speaker 3: since Show Ha Tani, which.

961
00:44:09,118 --> 00:44:10,278
Speaker 4: Is not that far in the past.

962
00:44:10,918 --> 00:44:13,958
Speaker 3: And he's gonna yet, He's gonna get numbers that are

963
00:44:13,918 --> 00:44:16,998
Speaker 3: gonna arrival Show Hey. They although he can't pitch, but

964
00:44:18,598 --> 00:44:20,798
Speaker 3: you're absolutely correct about that. It's going to be interesting.

965
00:44:20,878 --> 00:44:23,238
Speaker 3: Cohen's not gonna care. He's gonna come after him hard

966
00:44:23,238 --> 00:44:26,998
Speaker 3: and heavy, no doubt. And then like the reactionary component

967
00:44:27,038 --> 00:44:29,038
Speaker 3: from the Yankees and with their.

968
00:44:28,998 --> 00:44:30,598
Speaker 4: I don't even know what they're capable of doing that

969
00:44:30,678 --> 00:44:31,758
Speaker 4: you hear different things. I don't.

970
00:44:32,158 --> 00:44:34,598
Speaker 3: I'm not a true believer in everything that I hear

971
00:44:34,678 --> 00:44:37,998
Speaker 3: or read. So, yeah, it's gonna be a fascinating time.

972
00:44:38,678 --> 00:44:42,878
Speaker 3: It's gonna be show Hey esque, and you're probably right,

973
00:44:42,878 --> 00:44:45,518
Speaker 3: it's probably gonna end up in New York somewhere. But

974
00:44:45,558 --> 00:44:46,958
Speaker 3: I still think the Dodgers will win up.

975
00:44:47,238 --> 00:44:49,558
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the Dodgers, Joe going forward.

976
00:44:49,638 --> 00:44:51,758
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about this team and how good

977
00:44:51,798 --> 00:44:56,398
Speaker 1: they played in the in the postseason, and how really

978
00:44:56,438 --> 00:45:00,398
Speaker 1: depleted they were. You know, no, Tyler Glass. Now you

979
00:45:00,438 --> 00:45:02,958
Speaker 1: know Michael Grove and the list walks on m its

980
00:45:03,158 --> 00:45:06,838
Speaker 1: and a lot of their pitch Tony Gonslin, May all

981
00:45:06,878 --> 00:45:09,358
Speaker 1: these guys. They have a good reservoir of pitchers, but

982
00:45:09,398 --> 00:45:11,558
Speaker 1: they have been able to keep them healthy. So next

983
00:45:11,598 --> 00:45:14,878
Speaker 1: year you're going to have Yamamoto back, and again he

984
00:45:14,998 --> 00:45:17,678
Speaker 1: had some injury this year. They backed off him a

985
00:45:17,718 --> 00:45:19,998
Speaker 1: little bit middle of the season. That's going to continue

986
00:45:20,038 --> 00:45:21,478
Speaker 1: to happen. He's gonna pitch every six.

987
00:45:21,478 --> 00:45:22,078
Speaker 2: Or seventh day.

988
00:45:22,678 --> 00:45:25,238
Speaker 1: Show Hey, We'll pitch next year, same kind of deal.

989
00:45:25,318 --> 00:45:27,718
Speaker 1: He's gonna pitch every sixth or seventh day. He'll probably

990
00:45:27,758 --> 00:45:31,878
Speaker 1: make twenty to twenty two starts. Tyler Glasnow, you know

991
00:45:32,278 --> 00:45:33,838
Speaker 1: this is the first year he got beyond one hundred

992
00:45:33,838 --> 00:45:35,318
Speaker 1: and twenty innings and he broke down at the end

993
00:45:35,358 --> 00:45:35,838
Speaker 1: of the season.

994
00:45:35,998 --> 00:45:37,718
Speaker 2: He's going to be on the same program.

995
00:45:37,918 --> 00:45:40,038
Speaker 1: They got a bunch of guys who they're going to

996
00:45:40,158 --> 00:45:42,958
Speaker 1: have to kind of nurse through the season that can't

997
00:45:42,998 --> 00:45:45,558
Speaker 1: pitch even on the fifth or maybe even the sixth day.

998
00:45:46,078 --> 00:45:48,318
Speaker 1: But they do have an inventory, have a lot of

999
00:45:48,358 --> 00:45:52,398
Speaker 1: starting pitchers. Otherwise, this team is set man. They have

1000
00:45:52,438 --> 00:45:55,438
Speaker 1: a lot of long term contracts. They're not going anywhere.

1001
00:45:55,958 --> 00:45:59,198
Speaker 1: The Dodgers have just incredible resources. They have a great

1002
00:45:59,438 --> 00:46:02,438
Speaker 1: culture there. If you're around the La Dodgers, man, it

1003
00:46:02,478 --> 00:46:05,998
Speaker 1: was it's just you can see that they do things

1004
00:46:05,998 --> 00:46:09,518
Speaker 1: at a very high level. They don't miss anything in

1005
00:46:09,598 --> 00:46:12,958
Speaker 1: terms of dotting the i's and crossing the t's, so

1006
00:46:13,398 --> 00:46:15,158
Speaker 1: they are beast to deal with.

1007
00:46:15,238 --> 00:46:16,318
Speaker 2: They're not going away.

1008
00:46:16,398 --> 00:46:18,838
Speaker 1: I have a feeling it could actually be better next

1009
00:46:18,918 --> 00:46:21,718
Speaker 1: year because you're gonna get twenty starts from Sho Hee

1010
00:46:21,838 --> 00:46:22,638
Speaker 1: O Tani.

1011
00:46:22,878 --> 00:46:25,878
Speaker 3: Yes, and guys that are going to be around them

1012
00:46:25,918 --> 00:46:30,038
Speaker 3: that fit into that six man potential rotation. You're not

1013
00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:34,278
Speaker 3: going to have the superstar picture that needs to be

1014
00:46:34,358 --> 00:46:37,398
Speaker 3: on a set five man rotation. Necessarily, they're going to

1015
00:46:37,438 --> 00:46:40,038
Speaker 3: feel good about having a six man as opposed to

1016
00:46:40,158 --> 00:46:42,998
Speaker 3: five men, and all the nobody's going to complain about it.

1017
00:46:43,038 --> 00:46:44,598
Speaker 3: They're all gonna be fine with it. They're going to

1018
00:46:44,638 --> 00:46:46,918
Speaker 3: see that as being beneficial to them in the long haul.

1019
00:46:46,958 --> 00:46:50,358
Speaker 3: The biggest thing, again is the mindset. And you know

1020
00:46:51,038 --> 00:46:53,718
Speaker 3: this is just an offshoot, but like Magic Johnson sitting

1021
00:46:53,758 --> 00:46:56,278
Speaker 3: in that area, right, They're gonna be motivated Freddie Freeman.

1022
00:46:56,278 --> 00:46:57,558
Speaker 4: They're gonna be motivated by.

1023
00:46:57,398 --> 00:47:00,078
Speaker 3: Guys that have done it in the recent pass and

1024
00:47:00,198 --> 00:47:03,918
Speaker 3: kind of like freakish in their resolve regarding turning the page,

1025
00:47:04,598 --> 00:47:07,278
Speaker 3: acting like they've never won it before. Seeing with first

1026
00:47:07,278 --> 00:47:09,318
Speaker 3: time I was dealing with first time passion. That's what

1027
00:47:09,358 --> 00:47:09,878
Speaker 3: they're gonna do.

1028
00:47:10,758 --> 00:47:11,198
Speaker 4: I agree.

1029
00:47:11,238 --> 00:47:13,358
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it had been sticking with them

1030
00:47:13,678 --> 00:47:16,038
Speaker 3: in a minor way in some way, the fact that

1031
00:47:16,078 --> 00:47:18,798
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty World Series victory was some kind of

1032
00:47:19,038 --> 00:47:21,678
Speaker 3: kind of tarnished in a way, it was an abbreviated year,

1033
00:47:21,718 --> 00:47:24,198
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. This is legit, this one

1034
00:47:24,238 --> 00:47:26,478
Speaker 3: they've really earned, and this one they're really going to

1035
00:47:26,558 --> 00:47:29,758
Speaker 3: learn from. So I think they have the right people

1036
00:47:29,838 --> 00:47:32,558
Speaker 3: around them. The Michael Jordan types, the Larry Bird types,

1037
00:47:33,398 --> 00:47:36,718
Speaker 3: the Magic Johnson types, Freddy Freeman types, guys that are

1038
00:47:36,758 --> 00:47:38,998
Speaker 3: not going to be satiated by just doing it one time.

1039
00:47:39,078 --> 00:47:41,598
Speaker 3: So for all those different reasons, and like I said,

1040
00:47:41,598 --> 00:47:45,838
Speaker 3: the resources that they have and everything the vibe around them,

1041
00:47:45,838 --> 00:47:48,038
Speaker 3: and show hate being able to pitch in the every night.

1042
00:47:48,078 --> 00:47:50,078
Speaker 3: It's like a playoff game there anyway. So I agree

1043
00:47:50,078 --> 00:47:51,398
Speaker 3: with you that they have the best chance.

1044
00:47:51,838 --> 00:47:52,038
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1045
00:47:52,038 --> 00:47:54,558
Speaker 1: I like your point too about these guys not being satisfied.

1046
00:47:54,598 --> 00:47:57,078
Speaker 1: I mean, Mookie now is getting his third ring, Freddy

1047
00:47:57,118 --> 00:47:58,518
Speaker 1: Freeman won a ring before.

1048
00:48:00,518 --> 00:48:02,238
Speaker 2: Their will to win.

1049
00:48:02,398 --> 00:48:06,038
Speaker 1: Does not change at all, So I know it's listened.

1050
00:48:06,118 --> 00:48:09,678
Speaker 1: Nobody's repeated in a quarter of a century as World

1051
00:48:09,678 --> 00:48:12,158
Speaker 1: Series champion. It's hard to do because there's more rounds

1052
00:48:12,198 --> 00:48:16,478
Speaker 1: of the postseason, because the distribution of talent is better

1053
00:48:16,518 --> 00:48:19,798
Speaker 1: than it's ever been. But this is a group to

1054
00:48:19,838 --> 00:48:22,518
Speaker 1: me that could rise above some of that year after

1055
00:48:22,558 --> 00:48:25,118
Speaker 1: effect that you do see happen with some teams.

1056
00:48:24,878 --> 00:48:26,918
Speaker 2: Not all of them.

1057
00:48:27,358 --> 00:48:29,998
Speaker 1: I would not bet on the Dodgers being satisfied that,

1058
00:48:30,038 --> 00:48:31,038
Speaker 1: hey we got this title.

1059
00:48:31,078 --> 00:48:32,438
Speaker 2: Now in a full season, we're good.

1060
00:48:32,598 --> 00:48:36,198
Speaker 1: No one more note in the Dodgers, Joe, I think

1061
00:48:36,278 --> 00:48:38,518
Speaker 1: this is worth talking about when I talk about their culture.

1062
00:48:39,278 --> 00:48:42,838
Speaker 1: When the team came to New York, the Los Angeles

1063
00:48:42,878 --> 00:48:48,078
Speaker 1: Dodgers ownership took every employee in the organization. We're talking

1064
00:48:48,118 --> 00:48:53,758
Speaker 1: about five hundred people, chartered airplanes, flew them to New York,

1065
00:48:54,318 --> 00:48:58,638
Speaker 1: put them up in hotels, gave them game tickets, and

1066
00:48:58,718 --> 00:49:02,758
Speaker 1: gave them per diem. Now is that classy or what?

1067
00:49:03,118 --> 00:49:05,798
Speaker 1: You can talk all you want about the Dodger's payroll

1068
00:49:05,878 --> 00:49:09,678
Speaker 1: and what an advantage they have. How about take treating

1069
00:49:09,798 --> 00:49:13,238
Speaker 1: all of your employees who've been busting their butt all

1070
00:49:13,318 --> 00:49:17,398
Speaker 1: year long and rewarding them and all of them, not

1071
00:49:17,518 --> 00:49:21,518
Speaker 1: just the execs. I'm talking everyone in the organization. Putting

1072
00:49:21,518 --> 00:49:24,118
Speaker 1: them on a plane, putting up in New York not cheap.

1073
00:49:24,158 --> 00:49:26,798
Speaker 2: We all know that. Going to New York of all places.

1074
00:49:27,118 --> 00:49:30,358
Speaker 1: And having two charter planes full of every employee in

1075
00:49:30,358 --> 00:49:33,638
Speaker 1: the organization to share in the joy and thrill of

1076
00:49:33,678 --> 00:49:34,718
Speaker 1: being in the World Series.

1077
00:49:34,998 --> 00:49:37,638
Speaker 2: I heard that and I just applauded.

1078
00:49:37,598 --> 00:49:42,798
Speaker 3: Done and Donner. That's the ultimate. That is the right

1079
00:49:42,838 --> 00:49:48,878
Speaker 3: way to do things. The cachet, the exponential benefits derived,

1080
00:49:48,918 --> 00:49:52,158
Speaker 3: the complimented benefits derived from all of that. We're just

1081
00:49:52,198 --> 00:49:55,918
Speaker 3: going to resonate for years and years to come. Those

1082
00:49:55,958 --> 00:49:58,758
Speaker 3: employees have part ownership. They're going to come to work

1083
00:49:58,758 --> 00:50:02,518
Speaker 3: every day and whatever their job description might be, this

1084
00:50:02,558 --> 00:50:05,758
Speaker 3: group is going to work on a level that probably

1085
00:50:05,798 --> 00:50:08,798
Speaker 3: most others are not capable of. To feel that much

1086
00:50:08,878 --> 00:50:11,638
Speaker 3: part of it is what matters the most. When you

1087
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Speaker 3: feel like you're part of ownership in a sense, you're

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00:50:15,118 --> 00:50:18,438
Speaker 3: going to get the best that person has to offer

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Speaker 3: in regards to him and.

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Speaker 4: Her or the job that they perform. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: And again, I know not everybody says they can afford that,

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00:50:28,358 --> 00:50:30,638
Speaker 3: but I that is the coolest thing I've heard of

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Speaker 3: right there.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Joe, because I do want to get you

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Speaker 1: your closing comments and our thought of the day here

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Speaker 1: before we get there. Andrew Friedman, I mean, he's starting

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Speaker 1: to put together, if he hasn't already a Hall of

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00:50:43,118 --> 00:50:46,878
Speaker 1: Fame resume, right. He hired you in Tampa, the Rays

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Speaker 1: turned around, went to the World Series. He hired Dave

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Speaker 1: Roberts with the La Dodgers. The La Dodgers turned it

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00:50:53,118 --> 00:50:55,518
Speaker 1: around and gone to the World Series several times, won

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Speaker 1: it twice.

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Speaker 2: Just an incredible resume.

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Speaker 1: And then you talk about Dave Roberts, who has the

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00:51:00,158 --> 00:51:03,918
Speaker 1: highest winning percentage of all time of all managers who've

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00:51:03,958 --> 00:51:06,838
Speaker 1: managed at least a thousand games, and now he has

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Speaker 1: a second title, also on the road to Cooperstown. So

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Speaker 1: congratulations to those two as well. I know you're closed

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Speaker 1: with both of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're pretty much galvanizes it. I think first with Andrew.

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00:51:19,078 --> 00:51:21,278
Speaker 3: You know, he and I became very close down there,

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Speaker 3: and he gave me Him and Maddie Silvermen were there

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00:51:25,318 --> 00:51:27,958
Speaker 3: in that room in Houston, gave me my first opportunity,

1114
00:51:28,598 --> 00:51:32,238
Speaker 3: and I'm always grateful to them in debt to them.

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00:51:32,798 --> 00:51:36,558
Speaker 3: Andrew specifically, we'd sit around and I'd be in my

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00:51:36,638 --> 00:51:40,558
Speaker 3: desk in Tropicana and we'd sit down and talk about things.

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00:51:40,598 --> 00:51:42,158
Speaker 3: And I used to tell Andrew all the time, you know,

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00:51:42,198 --> 00:51:44,478
Speaker 3: you're a really good scout. You're a really good scout.

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Speaker 4: He would, he.

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Speaker 3: Would, he would talk, He talks well, he speaks well

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00:51:48,598 --> 00:51:51,958
Speaker 3: in regards to evaluation. I've always felt that way about him.

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00:51:51,958 --> 00:51:54,318
Speaker 3: So he said, tell me you're really good scout, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's where it starts with him. The lifeblood

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00:51:57,238 --> 00:52:01,718
Speaker 3: of any organization is scouting, period exclamation point. That's the

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00:52:01,758 --> 00:52:06,558
Speaker 3: acquisitional process, whether it's free agency, however, you want to

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Speaker 3: acquire your players.

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00:52:08,758 --> 00:52:09,398
Speaker 4: That is it.

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00:52:09,838 --> 00:52:13,518
Speaker 3: That's scouting, and then then scouting and development. Scouting and

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00:52:13,558 --> 00:52:16,558
Speaker 3: development be guys that you sign out of high school, college, whatever,

1130
00:52:17,158 --> 00:52:19,598
Speaker 3: or bring them to your low minor leagues and make

1131
00:52:19,638 --> 00:52:23,198
Speaker 3: them into something. That's it, and that's what they do well.

1132
00:52:23,238 --> 00:52:25,598
Speaker 3: Like look at all these talking about all the relief pitchers,

1133
00:52:25,638 --> 00:52:27,078
Speaker 3: all the guys that they got. They got all these

1134
00:52:27,078 --> 00:52:29,318
Speaker 3: guys with really long names with a lot of consonants

1135
00:52:29,318 --> 00:52:29,838
Speaker 3: in them.

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00:52:29,838 --> 00:52:31,558
Speaker 4: And these guys pitch well all the time.

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Speaker 3: Scouting, scouting, don't run away from your scouts, whatever developed

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00:52:38,638 --> 00:52:43,638
Speaker 3: the process. It's a patient process, being flexible, know what

1139
00:52:43,678 --> 00:52:46,118
Speaker 3: you want, but then be flexible with it. And you

1140
00:52:46,158 --> 00:52:49,718
Speaker 3: can never ever, ever, never ever, never have enough good

1141
00:52:49,758 --> 00:52:53,438
Speaker 3: pitching in your organization. That's Andrew knows that. And David,

1142
00:52:53,518 --> 00:52:55,558
Speaker 3: on the other hand, I got to know him working

1143
00:52:55,598 --> 00:52:58,878
Speaker 3: against him. I really like the way he talks when

1144
00:52:58,878 --> 00:53:00,678
Speaker 3: I listened to him, very sharp.

1145
00:53:00,478 --> 00:53:00,918
Speaker 4: Very bright.

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00:53:01,918 --> 00:53:06,558
Speaker 3: A lot of the phrases that he uses are you know, concise, simplified,

1147
00:53:07,438 --> 00:53:10,438
Speaker 3: but they express a lot at the same time. I

1148
00:53:10,478 --> 00:53:13,438
Speaker 3: was really thought last night the moment with trying and

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00:53:13,478 --> 00:53:16,038
Speaker 3: that to me is kind of like the lynchpin to

1150
00:53:16,118 --> 00:53:19,918
Speaker 3: his whole that hw shall I say that puts a

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00:53:19,958 --> 00:53:23,398
Speaker 3: stamp on his entire rein there as the manager, because

1152
00:53:23,438 --> 00:53:26,318
Speaker 3: that was it. That to me was off script, that

1153
00:53:26,438 --> 00:53:30,718
Speaker 3: was feel, that was experienced, that was making decisions based.

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00:53:30,478 --> 00:53:32,038
Speaker 4: On what's going on in front of me right now.

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00:53:32,758 --> 00:53:35,238
Speaker 4: And he did it. And I think that more than

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00:53:35,238 --> 00:53:37,118
Speaker 4: anything I've seen him do, I love that the most.

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00:53:37,398 --> 00:53:38,278
Speaker 4: And again he's a.

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00:53:38,318 --> 00:53:42,078
Speaker 3: Wonderful person and he loves wine too. So together, hopefully

1159
00:53:42,078 --> 00:53:43,838
Speaker 3: they both retire on the same day and then that.

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00:53:43,798 --> 00:53:46,278
Speaker 4: Way they could both go to Cooperstown on the same

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00:53:46,358 --> 00:53:46,878
Speaker 4: day to give their.

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Speaker 1: Speech classics, no doubt about that. Yeah, that's for you, folks.

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00:53:50,958 --> 00:53:53,238
Speaker 1: You may have stopped by for the first time on

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00:53:53,278 --> 00:53:55,758
Speaker 1: the Book of Joe. This is the kind of insight

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00:53:55,878 --> 00:53:58,678
Speaker 1: you get on this podcast, folks. I mean, you're gonna

1166
00:53:58,678 --> 00:54:02,438
Speaker 1: hear stuff like this. You're not going to hear anywhere else.

1167
00:54:02,558 --> 00:54:05,358
Speaker 1: There's no fluff here. This is a world series breakdown

1168
00:54:05,358 --> 00:54:07,918
Speaker 1: where you got the behind the scenes, true story of

1169
00:54:07,918 --> 00:54:10,518
Speaker 1: what happened in the world series. So if it is

1170
00:54:10,558 --> 00:54:13,358
Speaker 1: your first time, welcome, and hopefully you come back next time.

1171
00:54:13,558 --> 00:54:15,918
Speaker 1: And if you are a regular listener, you know we

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00:54:15,998 --> 00:54:17,798
Speaker 1: always end it with the ball in the hands of

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00:54:17,878 --> 00:54:19,558
Speaker 1: Joe Madden, who's going to close us out?

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00:54:19,878 --> 00:54:20,918
Speaker 2: Joe, what do you got today?

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00:54:21,238 --> 00:54:26,678
Speaker 3: Went back to Albert not Pulholst Einstein and I just

1176
00:54:26,758 --> 00:54:30,078
Speaker 3: picked on this one because it's just thinking of tenacity,

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00:54:30,558 --> 00:54:33,998
Speaker 3: staying with things, not giving up whatever. And that's the

1178
00:54:34,078 --> 00:54:37,278
Speaker 3: Dodgers method. Really made me go in that direction. It's

1179
00:54:37,278 --> 00:54:39,958
Speaker 3: not that I'm so smart, It's just that I stay

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00:54:39,998 --> 00:54:40,958
Speaker 3: with problems longer.

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00:54:41,718 --> 00:54:44,278
Speaker 4: And that's it. We all have issues. We all get.

1182
00:54:44,158 --> 00:54:46,998
Speaker 3: Confronted with the same kind of moments on the course

1183
00:54:47,038 --> 00:54:48,758
Speaker 3: of a day, problems. We get confronted with the same

1184
00:54:48,798 --> 00:54:51,398
Speaker 3: kind of issues. But which separates this is how we

1185
00:54:51,438 --> 00:54:53,838
Speaker 3: deal with them, how we handle them, or our ability

1186
00:54:53,838 --> 00:54:55,518
Speaker 3: to stay with them longer and not just give up

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00:54:55,518 --> 00:54:56,078
Speaker 3: so quickly.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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00:54:57,318 --> 00:54:59,478
Speaker 3: I'd like to believe I have some of that. And

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00:54:59,558 --> 00:55:01,198
Speaker 3: when I read that, I thought this is right on

1191
00:55:01,238 --> 00:55:04,078
Speaker 3: the money, just in you know what we need need

1192
00:55:04,238 --> 00:55:07,798
Speaker 3: more of in general terms and specifically with the Dodgers,

1193
00:55:07,838 --> 00:55:10,238
Speaker 3: I thought were all about U. And even listen, I

1194
00:55:10,278 --> 00:55:12,398
Speaker 3: don't want to bang on the Yankees either. I've gotten

1195
00:55:12,398 --> 00:55:15,558
Speaker 3: to be friends with Brian Cashman and I text with

1196
00:55:15,598 --> 00:55:18,278
Speaker 3: them often, and I thought last year cashed it such

1197
00:55:18,318 --> 00:55:20,598
Speaker 3: a spectacular job because.

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Speaker 4: They were not.

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Speaker 3: They were like, what two games over five hundred last year,

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00:55:23,838 --> 00:55:26,798
Speaker 3: whatever that was. And Cash stayed with the group and

1201
00:55:26,838 --> 00:55:29,398
Speaker 3: defended his brood publicly, and I thought that was great

1202
00:55:29,398 --> 00:55:32,118
Speaker 3: because you don't see that a lot anymore. Everybody wants

1203
00:55:32,158 --> 00:55:34,798
Speaker 3: to fire everybody after a bad moment and cashed it

1204
00:55:34,838 --> 00:55:36,758
Speaker 3: and Cash stayed with his rude and.

1205
00:55:36,758 --> 00:55:38,638
Speaker 4: He defended them.

1206
00:55:38,478 --> 00:55:41,878
Speaker 3: And I love that, And so this is these all

1207
00:55:41,918 --> 00:55:44,278
Speaker 3: these different things. He stayed with the problem a little

1208
00:55:44,318 --> 00:55:45,918
Speaker 3: bit longer to try to solve it, and they get

1209
00:55:46,118 --> 00:55:48,478
Speaker 3: arguably should still be playing in LA if they just

1210
00:55:48,558 --> 00:55:50,478
Speaker 3: catch the ball. So stay with your problems a little

1211
00:55:50,518 --> 00:55:52,198
Speaker 3: bit longer and things could work out.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I love that wisdom from Albert Joe.

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Speaker 1: It really is, especially in the day and age where

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00:55:57,718 --> 00:56:01,358
Speaker 1: I think we have access to and really want the

1216
00:56:01,478 --> 00:56:05,038
Speaker 1: quick fixes so easily. Everybody wants the hack. You know

1217
00:56:05,078 --> 00:56:08,038
Speaker 1: what's the hack? You know you're gonna look something up

1218
00:56:08,038 --> 00:56:11,118
Speaker 1: a YouTube to solve a problem. Well, how about tackling

1219
00:56:11,158 --> 00:56:15,078
Speaker 1: something that takes some more critical thinking, that takes some problems,

1220
00:56:15,118 --> 00:56:19,278
Speaker 1: Solving that takes some brain power if you will, you know,

1221
00:56:19,358 --> 00:56:22,398
Speaker 1: instead of exporting everything and using everything as your external

1222
00:56:22,798 --> 00:56:26,038
Speaker 1: hard drive, use your own brain power to work through things.

1223
00:56:26,038 --> 00:56:29,918
Speaker 1: So stick toitiveness, as they used to call it. It

1224
00:56:29,958 --> 00:56:33,118
Speaker 1: seems to be in decline, but it's still as important,

1225
00:56:33,158 --> 00:56:36,838
Speaker 1: if not more important, than ever. So good choice as always,

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00:56:36,958 --> 00:56:38,558
Speaker 1: Joe going to Albert's playbook.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Tommy, and a nice job. Also, I know

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00:56:41,118 --> 00:56:43,638
Speaker 3: what you guys do. You and Kenny, I watch you

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00:56:43,718 --> 00:56:45,718
Speaker 3: do it, and I think you do it so easily

1230
00:56:45,718 --> 00:56:50,238
Speaker 3: and so seamlessly and smoothly. Really really enjoyed what you did.

1231
00:56:50,638 --> 00:56:54,558
Speaker 3: And then you hustle back today and and do this

1232
00:56:54,718 --> 00:56:56,198
Speaker 3: and are totally prepared for it.

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00:56:56,278 --> 00:56:56,958
Speaker 4: Well done, man.

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00:56:57,078 --> 00:56:58,118
Speaker 2: Well I appreciate that.

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00:56:58,318 --> 00:57:00,998
Speaker 1: And I just personally, and I think I speak for

1236
00:57:01,078 --> 00:57:03,398
Speaker 1: Kenny as well, we consider it really a privilege.

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00:57:03,478 --> 00:57:04,878
Speaker 2: You know, we have the best seat in the house.

1238
00:57:05,118 --> 00:57:08,398
Speaker 1: We're there because yeah, it's a job, but we love

1239
00:57:08,398 --> 00:57:11,278
Speaker 1: it as well, and we're lucky to do it.

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00:57:11,398 --> 00:57:11,798
Speaker 4: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, Joe. This has been fun,

1242
00:57:14,038 --> 00:57:15,758
Speaker 2: all right, brother, Thanks man, appreciate it.

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