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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. I'm very lucky to be

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Speaker 3: joined by Ryan Grimm this morning.

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Speaker 2: Saga is dealing with some personal personal things.

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Speaker 4: Always nice to see you, best of Saga.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed we got a little lefty take over here,

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Speaker 3: So Brian does a good job playing the part of

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Speaker 3: the devil's advocate.

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Speaker 5: Though, yes, that's right, I'm going to be Sager's advocate

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Speaker 5: all right.

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Speaker 3: So Laza gets you this morning.

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Speaker 2: As for usual, we've got the White House Press Secretary

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Speaker 2: not really walking back, but I guess somewhat trying to

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Speaker 2: soften Trump's comments with regard to Gaza. Interesting response there

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Speaker 2: both from Democrats and also kind of a mixed response

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Speaker 2: for Republicans in terms of Trump's idea of hey, let's

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Speaker 2: just go ahead with the full sale, invasion, theft, and

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Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing, so they'll bring you all of that. We've

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Speaker 2: also got, of course all the latest hard to keep

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Speaker 2: up with, but from the Doge apparatics, there is a

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Speaker 2: report that they have in fact changed some of the

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Speaker 2: code at the Treasury payment system you know, that governs

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Speaker 2: the payments that go on for everything for Social Security.

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Speaker 4: Just a small matter of all of the money that

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Speaker 4: you've spent, all.

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Speaker 2: Of the six trillion dollars that get spent, you know,

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Speaker 2: no biggie just kind of freewheeling there in the treasury system.

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Speaker 2: We've got that they have busted into the Medicare offices

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Speaker 2: as well, so a lot going on there. Liberals, of

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Speaker 2: course continue flame leftists for Democrats flaws. This is specifically

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Speaker 2: with regard continuing to be upset with them for critiquing

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Speaker 2: Gaza and the Biden genocide. There the right wing making

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Speaker 2: up a bunch of bullshit about Politico procescriptions It's kind

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Speaker 2: of an interesting thing because it's interesting about the media.

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Speaker 2: Like the business piece these Politico pro subscriptions is a

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Speaker 2: very like regular business model in this town, where they

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Speaker 2: charge insane amounts for kind of technical trade information knowing

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Speaker 2: afford this. But right wingers are making this up like, oh,

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Speaker 2: the USAID was funding Politico with grants, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: So kind of interesting to get at that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, David Dan is going to come in and update

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Speaker 2: us on legal challenges both to the Trump administration overall

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Speaker 2: and pushing back on Doge specifically and Congress and Rocanna

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Speaker 2: got into a kind of an interesting back and forth

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Speaker 2: with Elon Musk, So he's going to tell us about

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Speaker 2: that and what went down there, and also he's going

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Speaker 2: to talk to us about the Democratic response, which many

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Speaker 2: sort of normy Democrats have been very disappointed with, are

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Speaker 2: looking for a lot more fight in leadership from their

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Speaker 2: elected representatives. Let's go ahead and jump though into the

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Speaker 2: latest with regard to Gaza. As I mentioned before, the

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Speaker 2: White House Press Secretary trying to sort of soften some

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Speaker 2: Emily covered the fact that Trump came out and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: let's just get all these people out of there, let's.

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Speaker 3: Clean it up. They will be permanently gone, and.

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Speaker 2: We, the US, are going to own the Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 2: So she was pressed on what exactly this plan would

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Speaker 2: look like and whether it would mean boots on the grounds,

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 6: Entire public career criticizing foreign entanglements, nation building, sending American

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Speaker 6: Can you explain this reversal and how building and owning

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Speaker 7: I would reject the premise of your question that this

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Speaker 7: The President has not committed to putting boots on the

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Speaker 7: His administration is going to work with our partners in

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Speaker 7: a step back here, because this is an out of

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Speaker 7: the box idea. That's who President Trump is, that's why

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Speaker 7: the American people elected him, and his goal is lasting

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Speaker 7: peace in the Middle East for all people in the region.

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Speaker 7: And as I said in my opening remarks, we've had

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Speaker 7: for decades, and it's been very made very clear to

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Speaker 7: the President that the United States needs to be revolved

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Speaker 7: involved in this rebuilding effort to assure stability in the

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Speaker 7: on the ground in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: So language there is very interesting to me. Ryan and

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Speaker 2: first of all, oh, it's an out of the box idea. Actually,

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Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing is not that out of the box idea.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the Biden administration was pushing something very simil

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Speaker 2: Egypt and Jordan's saying absolutely not, we are not participating

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Speaker 2: in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 3: It is not an out of the box idea.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the Israeli public end Israeli far right

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Speaker 2: leaders who are very open about wanting to force the

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Speaker 2: immigration of Palestinians out of the Gaza strip and completely

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Speaker 2: take over and resettle it.

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Speaker 4: But the Madagascar plan people.

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Speaker 3: Can look up exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So this is a new idea long time, very

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Speaker 2: much in the box. Horrible, but very much in the

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Speaker 2: box idea for this region in fact. But the other

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Speaker 2: thing that was noe worthy to me, Ryan is while

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Speaker 2: she's trying to soften because obviously the minute you go, oh,

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Speaker 2: die in the Middle East, there is an instant reaction

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Speaker 2: against that, and one that I think Trump himself understands

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Speaker 2: since he ran on avoiding such things. But she says

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Speaker 2: he has not committed to putting boots on the ground

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Speaker 3: But he has not committed to putting boots on the ground.

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Speaker 5: And Gaza right because during his press conference he was

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Speaker 5: asked that obvious question and he said, if that's what

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Speaker 4: But yes, to put a fine point.

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Speaker 5: In late November of two thousand and seven, Blincoln pressed

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Speaker 5: we'll build a tense city down there. I think if

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Speaker 5: it's out of the box, the difference is him just

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Speaker 5: straight up admitting that they would.

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Speaker 4: Not come back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because like the way that it's a great kind

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Speaker 5: of contrast between how Democrats and Republicans approached the issue,

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Speaker 5: where Democrats would support ethnic cleansing while saying that it's

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Speaker 5: not ethnic cleansing and they're actually going to let them return,

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Speaker 5: whereas Trump is like, no, they're not coming back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But then the next day the Republicans are back to

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Speaker 5: the Democratic approach saying, no, of course.

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Speaker 3: They would be ris this would only be temporary. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is so not out of the box

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Speaker 2: that I think people like you and me have been

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Speaker 2: saying from the very beginning of this conflict that the

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Speaker 2: goal is likely to destroy Gaza, make it thoroughly unlivable,

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Speaker 2: so that then you can say exactly what Steve Witkoff

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Speaker 2: and Trump are saying, which how could you let these

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Speaker 2: poor people live in this place that is now destroyed

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Speaker 2: as bb Nat Yahoo, a man who of course, with

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Speaker 2: our support, destroyed Gaza, sitting there grinning like a cheshire cat,

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Speaker 2: you know, delighted at the implication and the fact that

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Speaker 2: this would completely rescue him politically.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's it's everybody. It kind of spent yesterday

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Speaker 5: trying to decide whether or not he's serious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you?

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Speaker 5: Trump had kind of tried to preempt that conversation, if

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Speaker 5: you noticed where he's where. He said, Look, I have

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Speaker 5: given this a lot of thought. This is not something

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Speaker 5: I'm saying lightly. Yeah, Like he explicitly.

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Speaker 3: Said that had his prepared statement.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, prepared statement.

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Speaker 5: And when he said that, that should have been a

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Speaker 5: whenever you're saying I don't know because.

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Speaker 3: I think it isn't. It isn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean some reporting of the like behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: how this came to be has come out from CNA

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Speaker 2: and whatever. But I mean that's Trump for you, but

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Speaker 2: that he and Kushner have been talking about this for

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Speaker 2: quite some time, and I think Steve Witkoff has been

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Speaker 2: very much on the same page.

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Speaker 3: I mean, both of these.

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Speaker 2: Guys are developers, right, They're very used to the way

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Speaker 2: their brain works. They see a beautiful coastline and they

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Speaker 2: comfortable with displacing a number of people in order to

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Speaker 2: you know, it seems to me that while, yeah, he

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Speaker 2: has been percolating in his mind for at least some time.

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Speaker 2: And we had Kushner come out and say that thing

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Speaker 2: about all beautiful water for a property, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: And Trump himself had previously said while he was being

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Speaker 2: asked about whether he thought the ceasefire would continue, he

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Speaker 2: whole thing about all that that area is very interesting,

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Speaker 2: it could be very beautiful, it could be very special,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. So in my mind, this is something that

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Speaker 2: he's probably been thinking about for some time.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh that, I have no doubt.

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Speaker 5: I think that he's probably been thinking about it for decades,

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Speaker 5: Like that any any realtor, it sees, because you know,

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Speaker 5: he talks about this being the Rivier of the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the.

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Speaker 5: Funny thing about that is you've got like, you know,

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Speaker 5: Rivier has become this brand where they you know, Mexico's

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Speaker 5: got it's Maya Riviera.

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Speaker 4: And Riviera of Asia.

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Speaker 5: Riviera is Mediterranean like, so it's on the same it's

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Speaker 5: on the same sea. Yeah, that the actual Riviera is

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Speaker 5: so you don't even almost need of them of the

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Speaker 5: Middle East.

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Speaker 4: Just Rivier.

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Speaker 5: It's another rivi Era in the Mediterranean Sea.

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Speaker 4: And it is absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Like when we had amic Con on the show, he

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Speaker 5: was showing some footage Abu Baker Abed was taking some

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Speaker 5: footage of his walk to Gaza City yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he almost ensembled.

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Speaker 4: Right Stembinah home mind.

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Speaker 5: But as he as he says, like in the background

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Speaker 3: This is Ben Gavier.

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Speaker 2: It Omar Ben Gavier, who in two thousand and seven

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Speaker 2: Bien is rarely court for racism and terror supporting a

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Speaker 3: We had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 4: For people who were catching up here.

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Speaker 5: And so they were always going to be ongoing negotiations

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Speaker 4: I just don't.

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Speaker 5: He has said that, But I don't think he can

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Speaker 4: I don't know the war that breaks out.

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Speaker 9: In reality, they can try, but like the more proper

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Speaker 3: At the same time.

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Speaker 10: In fact, the Deputy Prime Minister of Jordan called it

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Speaker 7: Well, the King Abdullah of Jordan will be here next week,

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Speaker 7: You had the Colombian president saying he wouldn't accept flights

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Speaker 2: consider this to be existential to their own like regimes

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Speaker 2: and power. So I think they would be a lot

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Speaker 2: more willing to write out the economic pain of tariffs

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Speaker 2: in order to try to keep their grip on power.

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Speaker 5: Right, the populations of Jordan and Egypt are not huge.

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Speaker 5: So adding a million Palestinians to Egypt, a million Palestinians

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Speaker 5: to Jordan.

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Speaker 3: And Jordan already has a large number of Palatines.

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Speaker 5: Yea, the majority population is Palestinians, fundamentally destabilizes those countries.

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Speaker 4: In the opinion.

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Speaker 5: Whether or not that's true or not, that is the

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Speaker 5: opinion of the leadership of those countries, and so they

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Speaker 5: believe that, you know, you you do this, the clock

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Speaker 5: stars ticking on their ouster. And so therefore, even if

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Speaker 5: it's better for the Palestinians and better for Egypt and

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Speaker 5: better for Jordan, those leaders aren't going to do it

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Speaker 5: like that's that's just not how they work.

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Speaker 4: There's no amount of.

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Speaker 5: Characteristics that you that anybody has to pressure a leader

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Speaker 5: to do something that they believe is going to end

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Speaker 5: their reign.

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Speaker 4: That's just fairly simple.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, so as well, let's go and

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Speaker 2: move on to some of the response that we've seen

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Speaker 2: from Republicans, primarily since Trump is not really going to

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Speaker 2: care what Democrats have to say about any of this.

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Speaker 2: Could put Rand Paul up on the screen. He is

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Speaker 2: sort of the most aggressively in terms of his pushback

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Speaker 2: on you know, the idea of taking over Gaza. He says,

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Speaker 2: the pursuit for peace should be that of the Israelis

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Speaker 2: and Palestinians.

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Speaker 3: I thought we voted for America first.

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Speaker 2: We have no business contemplating yet another occupation to doom

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Speaker 2: our treasure and spill our soldier's blood. Noteworthy, however, you know,

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Speaker 2: not unexpected from rand Paul, who tries to be fairly

477
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Speaker 2: consistent in terms of his foreign policy approach. In particular,

478
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Speaker 2: more noteworth than me. Was Lindsay Graham not too crazy

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Speaker 2: about this idea. Put a seven up on the screen,

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Speaker 2: He says, I think most South Carolinians would probably not

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Speaker 2: be excited about sending Americans to take over Gaza. I

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Speaker 2: think that might be problematic. But Ryan, he is going

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Speaker 2: to keep it over.

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Speaker 4: You got to keep an open mind. You got to

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Speaker 4: keep it over mind.

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Speaker 2: Another one we have here for you here is Josh Holly.

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Speaker 2: He sort of echoed Lindsey Graham, telling Politico he didn't

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Speaker 2: think sending troops to the House to enclave was the

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Speaker 2: right move.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the best use of the United States

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Speaker 2: resources to spend a bunch of money in Gaza. I

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Speaker 2: think maybe I'd prefer that to be spent in the

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Speaker 2: United States first.

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Speaker 3: But let's see what happens. Ryan, you got to wait.

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Speaker 4: You got a wait to see what happens. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: never know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing is like, even when they

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Speaker 2: are mildly critical here, they leave themselves, of course, the

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Speaker 2: opening that if Trump goes forward with it, they're going

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Speaker 2: to say, masterful, gambits are brilliant, move brilliant, move out

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Speaker 2: of the box, very generous.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you put yourselves in the shoes of

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Speaker 5: Grammar Holly, and that is the best they're going.

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Speaker 4: To be able to do.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, boy, that's not so sure about that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you got to keep an open mind.

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Speaker 4: I got to keep an open mind.

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Speaker 5: You know, because and it goes back to their problem

510
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Speaker 5: and the genius from his perspective of his entire politics,

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Speaker 5: which is that there is no ideology.

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Speaker 4: It is Trump is.

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Speaker 5: It is like what Trump says becomes the policy.

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Speaker 4: Of the publican party that's right.

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Speaker 5: And if Trump says like I think Trump, I think

516
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Speaker 5: that there is a massive structural and deep opposition from

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Speaker 5: his followers to putting more boots on the ground in

518
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Speaker 5: the Middle East. But if he said they're going to

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Speaker 5: do it, Like at some point there a lot of

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Speaker 5: a lot of them are gonna be like, well, this

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Speaker 5: is obviously this is America first, Like this is this

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Speaker 5: it becomes America first.

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Speaker 2: Somehow that's exactly right. I mean I've already seen some

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Speaker 2: of that on Twitter of like, oh, this would be amazing.

525
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Speaker 2: We'd get to own this, Like think how incredible that

526
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Speaker 2: would be.

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Speaker 3: We could do whatever we want with it.

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Speaker 2: And you see this with any number of issues where

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, all of a sudden, Trump says

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Speaker 2: something about Greenland or Panama, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: people who had never thought about Greenland and Panama. I

532
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Speaker 2: think it's the most brilliant thing on the planet, and

533
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Speaker 2: are a million percent in favor of it, et cetera,

534
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Speaker 2: et cetera. And the other thing is this time around,

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Speaker 2: you know Trump really, I mean, he has completely cowed

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party. Any of the Jeff Flakes of the world,

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Speaker 2: the people that were there in the first administration that

538
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Speaker 2: were more adversarial, they're gone. And I think this part

539
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Speaker 2: is really important. He's got Elon Musk there to be like,

540
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Speaker 2: if you don't do what this president wants, you to do,

541
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Speaker 2: and what I want you to do. I elon musk

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Speaker 2: An elected new leader of the country, then I'm going

543
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Speaker 2: to drop an infinite amount of money on your head

544
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Speaker 2: in the primary. And that is a very real threat

545
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Speaker 2: and very effective at enforcing the enforcing the line here.

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Speaker 5: If I were going to channel Sager here, I think

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Speaker 5: he would say, these guys know Trump isn't going to

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Speaker 5: do this, so they're just being as generous as they

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Speaker 5: can in the meantime.

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Speaker 4: Is that what Sager would say? You think?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure because I don't think that he would

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Speaker 2: deny that in the end, if Trump did go forward

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Speaker 2: with this, that they would.

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Speaker 3: Fall in line. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've just we've seen it over and over again.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, there were plenty of Republicans who

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Speaker 2: took no issue whatsoever, didn't even express the slightest bit

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Speaker 2: of hesitation about this idea, in particular the new leader

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Speaker 2: of the Senate that would be John Thune, which I'm

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Speaker 2: still getting used to by the way, Majority Leader Thoon

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Speaker 2: and Mike Johnson, who of course is the House Speaker.

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Speaker 2: Here is Manu Raju talking to both of them.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we're trying to get the details of it. But

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Speaker 11: I think this is a good development. We have to

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Speaker 11: back Israel one hundred percent, and so whatever form that takes,

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Speaker 11: we're interested in having that discussion. But it's it was

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Speaker 11: a surprise and development, but I think it's one that

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Speaker 11: will applaud.

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Speaker 12: And I just caught up with the Senate Majority Leader

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Speaker 12: John Thune asked them a similar question about whether or

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Speaker 12: not this was an idea that was worth pursuing if

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Speaker 12: it was a feasible proposal, And this is what the

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Speaker 12: Senate Majority leaders said, Sarah, what do you think of

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Speaker 12: the pumps takeover? Cause on the policy realistic idea.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna like going to bring more peaceful and secure

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Speaker 5: Middle East and putting some ideas.

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Speaker 12: Out there, struggling it off of sort of saying just

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Speaker 12: simply putting some ideas out there. Are other Republican centers,

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Speaker 12: including Senator Lindsay Graham, do not think it was quite

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Speaker 12: a workuple idea, But you're not really hearing it nearly

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Speaker 12: the amount of pushback that you're hearing from Democrats. A

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Speaker 12: lot of Republicans think this is an idea that simply

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Speaker 12: is just far fetch something that never will actually be achieved,

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Speaker 12: and that eventually the discussion will move on beyond this.

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Speaker 12: And as you heard from the sent of majority of

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Speaker 12: there right there seeming to put a lot of stock

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Speaker 12: into this proposal, but the Speaker of the House very

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Speaker 12: much defending what Donald Trump has said last night on

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Speaker 12: multiple occasions, that this would be something that's worth pursuing.

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Speaker 2: Also interesting to me over on Fox News in primetime,

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Speaker 2: Laura Ingram and her guest or trying to make that

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Speaker 2: spin of how this could be seen as America first.

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Speaker 2: So if Trump moves forward with this idea, I think

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Speaker 2: you'll hear more of this line of argumentation. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a listen to what they had to say.

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Speaker 13: When Americans are building monuments to Donald Trump as the

597
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Speaker 13: most consequential president of the past hundred years, I don't

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Speaker 13: think our grandchildren will fully appreciate just how consequential the

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Speaker 13: guy is and just what a radical departure is from

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Speaker 13: both Democrats and Republicans of the past hundred years, who

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Speaker 13: have been presidents who are cautious and careful, and this

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Speaker 13: guy wants to be consequential and solve problems.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think it's so foreign to us to hear

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Speaker 9: this that wait a second, we actually may solve a problem.

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Speaker 3: We actually may make money on it.

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Speaker 9: That's a bad thing for the United States to get

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Speaker 9: repaid for the tens of billions of dollars just in

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Speaker 9: the last few years we've dumped into the Middle East

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Speaker 9: and the trillions we've spent over the years. When we

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Speaker 9: go to Iraq, we break it and then we don't

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Speaker 9: get the oil leases or any of the rebuild and

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Speaker 9: meanwhile we leave our equipment there tens of billions of

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Speaker 9: dollars in Afghanistan for what. What did we get in

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Speaker 9: either of those places except a massive refugee crisis in Europe,

615
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Speaker 9: the creation of ISIS and a stronger Iran.

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Speaker 3: Is so bukers to me.

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Speaker 2: She even says, we went to Iraq, we broke it,

618
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Speaker 2: and we didn't even get anything out of it. It's like,

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Speaker 2: we spent all this money to murder a lot of Palestinians,

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Speaker 2: and we think we should also make some money on

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Speaker 2: the deal. I mean, it's just but that's the direction

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Speaker 2: they're going, and is like, that's how it's America first,

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Speaker 2: if we actually acquire this territory to develop to our

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Speaker 2: benefit or at least the benefit of Donald Trump and

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Speaker 2: Jared Kushner.

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Speaker 5: It's also just openly and hilariously internally inconsistent with its

627
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Speaker 5: own like one minute clip there saying all of these

628
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Speaker 5: past presidents have been so cautious, whereas now Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: is putting up for a bold idea to send American

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Speaker 5: troops to the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: And then she's like, bold, new idea. Guys, never tried

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Speaker 3: that one before.

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Speaker 5: And then she mentions the very thing that undercuts her

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Speaker 5: whole point, which is that in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 5: in two thousand and two, our bold idea from an

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Speaker 5: American president was we were going to send a lot

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Speaker 5: of American troops to the Middle East because it'd been

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Speaker 5: a big problem.

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Speaker 4: We were going to solve the problem.

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Speaker 3: That's right, incredible stuff.

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Speaker 4: This time, we're going to keep the oil.

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Speaker 5: Where do you think the oil has been going in

643
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Speaker 5: the last twenty years? Like we have what we have,

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Speaker 5: we have their oil.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't leave this this section without letting Senator John Fetterman,

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Speaker 2: Senator of Israel Affair laf Israel first Senator, way in

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Speaker 2: here and take a more hawkish approach than actually even

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Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham can put his response up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: He says, outside the Senate Chamber. That is from a

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Speaker 2: New York Times reporter in the capital. Senator John Fetterman

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Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania, who is known as the most staunchly pro

653
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Speaker 2: Israel Democrat in the Senate, called President Trump's remarks provocative,

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Speaker 2: but said he would support a potential American occupation of

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Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip, adding that Palestinians for years have quote

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Speaker 2: refused or have been unwilling to deliver a government that

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Speaker 2: provided security and economic development for themselves. So at least

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Speaker 2: one Democrat on board with this plan.

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Speaker 3: Ryan sure.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think people should start punking him and saying, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, just making stuff up that Trump says he's

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Speaker 5: going to do just to get Fetterman to support it.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything that you could bring to him, no,

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Speaker 5: and have Fetterman push back against it.

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Speaker 2: No. Nothing, No, Like if you went to him were like,

666
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Speaker 2: Trump says, we're going to drop a nuclear.

667
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: Bomb on Gaza Strip.

668
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: You know, we've got to take out Hamas it's existential,

669
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Speaker 2: he'd be like, well, it's provocative, but to wait till.

670
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Speaker 5: Gotta wait till the winds are going in the right direction.

671
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: Our allies are very close there. But otherwise, you know.

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Speaker 3: That sounds good on the side of the box. Yeah,

673
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Speaker 3: outside of the box.

674
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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to the very latest from

675
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: Elon Musk and DOJ and you know it is the developments.

676
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: They are coming fast and furious and very difficult to

677
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: know what is happening at all of these agencies. But

678
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: this was quite noteworthy to me. The White House Press

679
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: Secretary was pressed about Elon's many conflicts of interest, and really, truly,

680
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: Elon Musk cannot actually be involved in anything with regard

681
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: to this government without running into some kind of conflict

682
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Speaker 2: of interest. I mean the number of agencies that have

683
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: sued him for environmental issues, for labor issues, union busting,

684
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: securities violations, the billions of dollars in contracts he has

685
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: as a tech oligarch, the interest he has in scooping

686
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: up all of our data. I mean, it is incomprehensible,

687
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: the number of conflicts that he has across this whole government.

688
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: So she was asked, hey, you know, how's this whole

689
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: thing going to work, and basically acknowledges that it is

690
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: on Elon Musk himself to self police any potential conflicts

691
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Speaker 2: of interest.

692
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Speaker 3: Here. Let's take a listen to what she has to say.

693
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Speaker 4: You talked a bit about DOJE.

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Speaker 10: Elon Musk is currently a quote special government employee who

695
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Speaker 10: also owns companies that have billions of dollars in federal contracts.

696
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Speaker 10: You said earlier this week that he has abided by

697
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Speaker 10: all applicable federal laws. But what steps is the Trump

698
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Speaker 10: administration taking to address that conflict of interest?

699
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Speaker 7: The President was already asked and answer this question this week,

700
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 7: and he said, if Elon Musk comes across a conflict

701
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 7: of interest with the contracts and the funding that DOGE

702
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 7: is overseeing, then Elon will excuse himself from those contracts.

703
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 7: And he has again abided by all applicable laws.

704
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 5: Does that make you feel better, Ryan, Yeah, he's abiding

705
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 5: by all applicable laws.

706
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Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about this in a moment.

707
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Speaker 4: But you know, Ian Miles Chong and his whole gang.

708
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, feel like they have discovered the Watergate of the

709
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 5: twenty first century because they misread USA spending dot gov

710
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: to believe that USAID was funding Politico to the tune

711
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 5: of like eight million dollars, Like untrue, but in this

712
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: context is hilarious. So Politico, according to them, is corrupt

713
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: because of this fake finding of government subsidies going to them.

714
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 5: But Elon Musk, whose wealth rests on federal funding, that's fine,

715
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 5: Like that's not corrupting.

716
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Speaker 3: At all, right of course, And also that's.

717
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: True, Like the other argument is false, Like in this case,

718
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 5: he really is getting funded, like he's a government contractor.

719
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's his whole.

720
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Speaker 2: Thing, and he's not only you know, obviously he's a

721
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: government contractor.

722
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 3: He gets at some fifteen.

723
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: Billion dollars in taxpayer dollars every year. Like it's a

724
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: preposterous amount of money that he gets from the US government.

725
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: He also has many foreign entanglements, a lot of business

726
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: in China, for example, So you know, just everything that

727
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: he touches is inherently a conflict of interest. And yet

728
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: you know, oh, it's fine, he's gonna if there's anything

729
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: that he's conflicted on, he'll let us know. He'll get

730
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: back to us on no big deal, don't worry about it.

731
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Speaker 2: There's so many developments here. Let me go and put

732
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: this up on the screen. So this is an important

733
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: important note. USAID obviously has been a major target of

734
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: Elon and DOJ and the right, et cetera. There was

735
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: backlash against the defunding of this one particular program to

736
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: come that HIV.

737
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: It's a George W. Bush era program.

738
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Speaker 2: It's been you know, really successful, important to the health

739
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: they say here more than twenty million people worldwide, and

740
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Speaker 2: in cleaning five hundred thousand children. And since there was

741
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: a backlash, Marco Ruby at the State's Department issued a

742
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: series of memos that say, basically like we're giving an exception.

743
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: The foreign aid freeze does not apply to this. But

744
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: because this is all done so sloppily and so imprecisely,

745
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: the money for that HIV relief still isn't going out.

746
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: It still continues to be frozen with potentially I mean

747
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: not potentially with dire consequences. They did a survey of

748
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five organizations and eleven steps Aharan countries.

749
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: This was all conducted over the past week. All of

750
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: them all of them reported their programs or services had

751
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: shut down or were turning people away. This is especially

752
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: critical for babies who acquire HIV at birth because the

753
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: infection can progress really quickly. Death can occur if you

754
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: don't don't receive the proper treatment within eight to twelve

755
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: weeks after birth, which would be a shorter period of

756
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: time than the ninety day pause on foreign aid. So,

757
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, lives put being put at risk here. And obviously,

758
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: like there are many things that USAID does that you

759
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: and I would not be particularly crazy about, but it's

760
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: also true that it does genuinely beneficial things like this.

761
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: And so even in this area where there was public pushback,

762
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: where it fell like, okay, well if something is too egregious,

763
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: they're going to pull back and they're going to kind

764
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: of fix it, which happened with this, which happened with

765
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Speaker 2: the Medicaid portals being shut down. Even in that instance,

766
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: you know, they have not actually been able to roll

767
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: back the freeze, and those funds are still locked down.

768
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 5: Right because it it appears deliberately destroyed. What's going on

769
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 5: here is that they and that Times lays this out,

770
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 5: the government sent out stop work orders to everybody doing

771
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 5: work that had you know, any connection to this money,

772
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Speaker 5: and so they stopped the work. Then Rubio says, Okay,

773
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 5: you're right, this is embarrassing, Like, will continue to allow

774
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: some of this work to go on. People can get waivers,

775
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 5: and so they issued memos saying some work involving HIV

776
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: treatment can continue or going on, or HIV tests and

777
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 5: can continue going on. But that is that a memo

778
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 5: like that is not what.

779
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 4: These organizations need.

780
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 5: The organizations need a full on letter that says this

781
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 5: particular program is back on and here's the money. They

782
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 5: also need to send the money, obviously, and they haven't

783
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 5: done it. So now then they send a superseding memo

784
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: that tried to clarify a little bit more that yes,

785
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 5: we're this some of this work actually is okay. So

786
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 5: what they're doing is are shutting everything down and then

787
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: trying to like rebuild it from the ground up where

788
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 5: they believe that these are the okay things that they're

789
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 5: doing right, which a is not legal, Like Congress has

790
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 5: authorized this pep far program, right, and that's it, Like

791
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 5: Congress has authorized it directed to whether he.

792
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: Likes or not. He does not get to decide, you're yeah.

793
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 5: And so because they're being so nitpicky about what's okay

794
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 5: and what's not, nothing is getting going like zero. So

795
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 5: then Rubio said, well, it sounds like these are incompetent

796
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: organizations who can't figure out how to get waivers or

797
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 5: they are deliberately sabotaging their programs so that they will

798
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 5: get derived some political benefit and embarrass us. But what

799
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 5: these organizations are saying is that their waivers are being

800
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 5: sent to staff who have been furloughed. They furloughed, We

801
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 5: posted the memo yesterday. Almost everybody in the implementing agencies there,

802
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: their emails don't work anymore like these, and they're being

803
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 5: told to come home, come to the United States by

804
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Speaker 5: this weekend.

805
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: So who's going to approve the way?

806
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 5: So it's either the most idiotic cough gasque arrangement ever

807
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 5: or it's quite obviously just designed to throw a wrench

808
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 5: in it and break it right, because it's anybody who

809
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 5: thinks it through, it'll be like, okay, actually, we do

810
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 5: need employees to be able to approve the waivers if

811
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: we want waivers to be approved.

812
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 2: Right.

813
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 5: That's we're not we're not talking like sophisticated bureaucratic understanding

814
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: understanding here.

815
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: Some people do need to exist to be able to.

816
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: And the email email should.

817
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So that's what's going on at us AID.

818
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: But they have expanded their reach through a variety of

819
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: other agencies. You know, some of them deeply troubling in

820
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: you know, really important to American lives as well. It

821
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: can put B two up on the screen. So they

822
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: have reportedly breached the centers for Medicare and Medicaid services,

823
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: have gotten access to key payment and contracting systems there.

824
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Speaker 2: The DOGE representatives have been on site at the agency's

825
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: office this week.

826
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Speaker 3: The people said they're.

827
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Speaker 2: Looking at the systems, tech as well as a spending

828
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: that flows through them, with a focus on pinpointing what

829
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Speaker 2: they consider fraud or waste. Which that's an important line

830
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Speaker 2: because so far the things that we have been given

831
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Speaker 2: as examples of fraud or waste are either just completely

832
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: invented or they're just things that the right doesn't like

833
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: but were in fact, you know, properly authorized, et cetera.

834
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Speaker 2: That's been their definition of fraud or waste. White House

835
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Speaker 2: and DOGE officials didn't comment, but Musk on his platform posted, yeah,

836
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Speaker 2: this is where the big money fraud is happening, referring

837
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Speaker 2: to the Medicare Agency in a repost of another user

838
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Speaker 2: who referenced the journals reporting in the nerve center of

839
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Speaker 2: much of the nation's complex healthcare economy, with outlays of

840
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Speaker 2: about one point five trillion dollars in fiscal twenty twenty four,

841
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: about twenty two percent of the federal total. The around

842
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: sixty seven hundred employees overseas, Medicare of course, and Medicaid

843
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: which is for lower income rollies, which is sort of

844
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: overseen primarily by the States. But I mean, he's not wrong. Like,

845
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: if you're going to look at the money, the real money,

846
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: buckets of money in the federal budget, it ain't Usaid,

847
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: which accounts for a zero point seven percent. It is healthcare, right,

848
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: and it is the Pentagon.

849
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: And Social Security.

850
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he gets a lot of money from the Pentagon.

851
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: So for some reason, the Defense Department, which is the

852
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: area that if you ask him, ya, we've looked at

853
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: the polling, if you ask Americans, that's the area they

854
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: most want to cut for some reason.

855
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: That has not been tackled whatsoever.

856
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: But going after healthcare, going after you know, HIV treatment

857
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: for poor kids in Africa, going straight to the pipes

858
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: of the treasury to shut off, to attempt to you know,

859
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: mess with their shut off any funding that they don't

860
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: agree with their that has been very much on the table.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just to underline it, the point this is

862
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 5: not a pep FAR is not about USAID. I've been

863
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 5: a long time consistent critic of USAID and it's its

864
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 5: role in toppling governments and you know.

865
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Speaker 4: Building up fake cific society, et cetera.

866
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 5: Pep FAR is a separate is a separate program started

867
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Speaker 5: by George W. Bush, which one of the implementing agencies

868
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 5: is us AID. It could be implemented by other agencies

869
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 5: right now, USA ideas is essential to getting it out.

870
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Speaker 5: Some numbers from an NGO source said about two hundred

871
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Speaker 5: and twenty thousand patients visit pep FAR supported clinics every day.

872
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

873
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Speaker 5: So and there are about twenty million people who rely

874
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: on on this treatment. And so this is treatment that

875
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 5: if it gets disrupted, you know, causes you know, long

876
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 5: term implications for your disease treatment. And if if you

877
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 5: don't care about Africa, you don't care about American solid power,

878
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 5: you can also understand that that treating it poorly, you know,

879
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 5: risks creating all sorts of you know, bi mutations.

880
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: Right like, there is a selfish reason for the.

881
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 5: US to be concerned about disease prevention and treatment in Africa,

882
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 5: even if you even if you don't care on humanitarian

883
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 5: grounds at all about Africa or anybody else outside of

884
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 5: your family or your country or whatever else. It actually

885
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 5: does have potential impact back here.

886
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing I've been thinking about is, you know,

887
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: the first of all, Congress authorize USAID as an independent agency. Again,

888
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: it is illegal to just shut down USAID, even if

889
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: you're saying, oh, we're just going to put it under

890
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: the State Department. No, it was authorized specifically as an

891
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: independent agency, and it would, if you're going to follow

892
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: the law, require an Act of Congress to do something

893
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: different with that.

894
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: So that's number one. Number two.

895
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: I find it so silly to think that if the

896
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: goal is to put USAID under the State Department, that

897
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: it's going to do less of the like meddling and

898
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: regime change stuff. I mean, the way Rubio talks about it,

899
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: he's like, it needs to align war with US foreign

900
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: policy American interest, which to me reads like, actually, we

901
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: want to get rid of all this like you know

902
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: and b pamb humanitarian help the kids with AIDS. We

903
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: just want to do more of the like directly meddling

904
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: and trying to secure the mineral resources and supporting the

905
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: quote unquote freedom fighters as a Senator Chris Murphy was

906
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: talking about, Yes.

907
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: Exactly, Rubio saying that the USAID's functions will continue, but

908
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 5: be directed America First. It was so revealing in a

909
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 5: drop site piece on Monday that we wrote.

910
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: That touched on the Romanian election.

911
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 5: So we previously reported on this show as well, reported

912
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 5: on usaids and the State Department's role and basically annulling

913
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 5: presidential election in Romania.

914
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: Totally insane story.

915
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: Totally insane story.

916
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 5: They the candidates that the u was supporting, there were

917
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: the establishment candidates. So does America first exploitation of USAID

918
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 5: mean that it would be the populist right candidates that

919
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 5: we're supporting, Like, That's that's what makes me nervous, right,

920
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 5: that we're not going from Okay, we actually are now

921
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 5: supporting the sovereignty of every country and whoever you elect,

922
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 5: whether it's somebody we like or don't like, that's for

923
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: Romanians to decide. And we're not going to go and

924
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 5: interfere with your election. That that would be my preference. Right,

925
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 5: Let people decide. But is Rubio saying no, actually, we'll

926
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 5: come in and USAID will be supporting the right wing

927
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 5: populist Yeah.

928
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: Well, and also, I mean Rubio very hawkish guy, especially

929
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: when it comes to Latin America.

930
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 3: Never seen like a coup.

931
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 2: Or receive change operation there that he didn't like, right, Yes,

932
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 2: so you know this is guy.

933
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: It was all all about Wang Guido, et cetera.

934
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: So I don't think anyone should feel like USAID is

935
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: going to be more to their liking when it is

936
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: more directed by the State Department versus as it is

937
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: currently as an independent agency. There's a bunch of developments

938
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 2: to probably the most important piece of this is their

939
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: infiltration of the Treasury Department, because that is where the

940
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: payments that you know, Wall six trillion dollars that go

941
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: out from the federal government. That is where the bones

942
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: and the pipes of that operation. I mean, they were

943
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: savvy enough to know, like this is the place we

944
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: need to go.

945
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 3: And so there's been.

946
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: A lot of dispute about what exactly they've been up

947
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: to there. You know, there were claims me to reporters

948
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: that the DOGE apparatriics only have quote read access, which

949
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: is by the way, troubling enough. There's a lot of

950
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: damage that can be done just with read only access.

951
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: But we now have confirmation that that is really not

952
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: the case. Let's put this reporting b to be up

953
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: on the screen here. We've got talking points. Memo has

954
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: some sources inside the Treasury Department. They've broken a number

955
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: of stories here, but they say specifically, a doage worker

956
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: named Marco Ellas, who has admin privileges on chargery systems

957
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: that control ninety five percent of government payments, including Social

958
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: Security checks, tax refunds, has already made extensive changes to

959
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: the codebase for these critical payment systems, and these have

960
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: been implemented too. They weren't, you know, it wasn't in

961
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: some like you know, test environment. They've actually gone in

962
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: and messed with the system, according to this reporting. And

963
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: in addition, they said what it looked like this individual

964
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: was doing was either trying to make it easier to

965
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: freeze or shut off payments and potentially to make it

966
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: so it's harder to track what payments have been messed

967
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: with have been frozen. So again, I mean, just a

968
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: brazen violation of the separation of powers. You know, power

969
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: of the purse belongs with Congress, and you've got these

970
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: sort of unaccountable young dudes running around doing what they

971
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: want to do. There's also new York Times reporting this

972
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: morning that backs up some of this. This just broke

973
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: literally this morning, they say. In the days after President

974
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: Trump took office, as Elon Musk's team began pressing for

975
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 2: access to the Taragery Department's payment system. Officials repeatedly said

976
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: their goal was to undertake a general review of the system.

977
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: They said they would observe, but not stop money from

978
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: going out the door. But emails reviewed by The New

979
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: York Times show that the Treasury's Chief of Staff originally

980
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: pushed for Tom Krause, one of those Doge acolytes, to

981
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: receive access to the closely held payment system so that

982
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: the Treasury could freeze Usaid payments. In a January twenty

983
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: fourth email to a small group of Treasury official, the

984
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: Chief of Staff Dan Katz, wrote that mister Kraus and

985
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 2: his team needed access to the system so they could

986
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: pause Usaid payments and comply with mister Trump's January twentieth

987
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: executive order to halt foreign aid to the extent permitted

988
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: by law. This is the quote from the email. We

989
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: would like to implement the pause as soon as possible

990
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: in order to ensure we are doing our role to

991
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: comply with the Executive Office, so increasingly getting confirmation that

992
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, they have been going in, they have been

993
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: messing with the code, they have been at least planning

994
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: to freeze payments, et cetera.

995
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nathan Tankas, uh TPM, like these.

996
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 4: These early reports are being vindicated. Yeah.

997
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: Wired has also done really wired, really great reporting because

998
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 2: they have all these tech sources, you know, so they're

999
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: sort of outside DC, but they have all this insight

1000
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 2: into this tech world, and so they've broken a lot

1001
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: of stories with regard to DOJ.

1002
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 5: And some of it is also random, like it looks

1003
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 5: like you know, TPM, Josh over there just happened, and

1004
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 5: like know the people in the right place, that's the thing,

1005
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 5: Like you he's been doing this for twenty five thirty years,

1006
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 5: and clearly somebody who's like buddies with or something over

1007
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 5: the years happens to be in the room. And so

1008
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 5: that that has enabled these independent journalists to scoop the

1009
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 5: mainstream press like New York Times and others, who you know,

1010
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 5: very strategic focused their sourcing on the people closest to

1011
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 5: like Trump or Biden or the Treasury secretary. But when

1012
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 5: Musk is going around them and going to the bowels

1013
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 5: of the building, and.

1014
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 3: You're talking about these sort of just middle.

1015
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 5: Like happen to be your neighbor, and now all of

1016
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 5: a sudden they're in a political position that they weren't

1017
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 5: in before, and so's.

1018
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 4: That's been interesting to watch. But yeah, so this is

1019
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 4: confirming that.

1020
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 5: The kind of worst fears that there is there's kind

1021
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 5: of aggressive manipulation going on inside the system, which is

1022
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 5: and we discussed as usually it's like sixty years old,

1023
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 5: like right, people like the code that put this system

1024
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 5: together was being written in like the nineteen sixties and

1025
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 5: just updated consistently since then rather.

1026
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: Than My first job on in college was working for

1027
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 2: a government contractor that worked with these enterprise systems, and

1028
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: my particular client.

1029
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: Was not Chargery, was the federal court system.

1030
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: So I have no knowledge of the treasury systems, but

1031
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: I have extensive knowledge of how cluge together and like

1032
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: eccentric and you know, just very specific kind of knowledge

1033
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: you have to have of these systems and how outdated they.

1034
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: Are, and all of that is certainly true.

1035
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, you have a few individuals who will be

1036
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: in place who will know all the quirks and the

1037
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: ends of an ounce of these weird systems. I worked

1038
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: on the help desk there for quite a while, so

1039
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: I was getting all the incoming problems. Why won't this happen,

1040
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: why won't that happen, etc. You got to go in

1041
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: the back end and search and figure out what the

1042
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: hell is going on, how these systems fit together, et cetera.

1043
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 2: And so I like have a sort of visceral understanding

1044
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: of how brittle and how quirky and weird and outdated

1045
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: a lot of these systems are. And so if you're this,

1046
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: you know, hot shot kig coming in thinking that you

1047
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: know everything. And I think you see this a lot

1048
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: from the business world too, where people who are successful

1049
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: in the business world think that they know everything about

1050
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: any they can just drop in and like do a

1051
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: way better job at anything. But you know, certainly these

1052
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: systems could use an upgrade, They could use some increased

1053
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: levels of efficiency. But if you're just going in willy

1054
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: nilly and messing with it, you are risking total catastrophe.

1055
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: And that's just one of the risks here. I mean,

1056
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 2: you know, risk of total catastroph the whole thing breaking down.

1057
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: Tax refund's not going out, social Security checks not going out,

1058
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: medicare not going out, the US not meeting its obligations

1059
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: and having some sort of a default. You know, you've

1060
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: also just got the there's clear We're going to talk

1061
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: to David Day and.

1062
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 3: More about the legal pushback here.

1063
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: We have privacy laws in place that say you can't

1064
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: just have random people accessing you know, all of American

1065
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 2: social Security numbers as an example. There's really specific sensitive

1066
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: protocols that you're supposed to follow that don't appear to

1067
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: be followed here as well.

1068
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: And then the key you.

1069
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 2: Know, what really makes this, I would say, even beyond

1070
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: a constitutional crisis, is you don't just get there's a

1071
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: reason why Treasury just is the clearing house, right the

1072
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: payments get the appropriations made by Congress. The agencies say, okay,

1073
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: this is how we're going to go about executing the

1074
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: wishes of Congress. And then treasuries they're there to make

1075
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: sure that the checks are actually going out. The idea

1076
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: that you can go in and just pick and choose,

1077
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: like I like this one, I don't like that one.

1078
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: As this richest man on the planet is I mean

1079
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: it truly is approaching coup type territory. Now he doesn't

1080
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: have control of the military. So I don't think you're

1081
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: quite there, but it is to be significantly beyond even

1082
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: just that of a constitutional crisis because of the level

1083
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: of control that he's trying to exert here on a

1084
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: you know, line by line basis as someone who wasn't

1085
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: elected or converted to anything.

1086
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the counter argument is that he's going after corruption, waste,

1087
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 5: and he's going after waste, fraud, and abuse, which a

1088
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 5: so far he has not elevated any incidents of core

1089
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 5: of actual up corruption, waste or fraud, which which would

1090
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 5: stand to reason because the way that you would find

1091
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 5: his waste fraud abuse would be to you know, find

1092
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 5: out where the money went and investigate the people who

1093
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 5: got the money.

1094
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: He's not doing that.

1095
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Speaker 5: He's looking at how it's getting how it's getting sent out,

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Speaker 5: and and then he and he's just looking at the

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Speaker 5: names of people getting money. Like Mike Flynn was circulating

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Speaker 5: a spreadsheet where a bunch of Lutheran service organizations were

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Speaker 5: getting money, and they're like, Aha, look at this corruption, right,

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Speaker 5: It's like these these Lutheran organizations actually do a lot

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Speaker 5: of implementation of like medicaid, of like getting medicaid payments

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Speaker 5: out to providers like they do that. Like, so you

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Speaker 5: found the word Lutheran and you think you've discovered fraud, Like,

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Speaker 5: that's not that's that's not how it works. There is

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Speaker 5: an absolutely insane amount of fraud in the in the

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Speaker 5: medicare system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but just as Scott, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 5: And it's a way and it would be a place

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Speaker 5: I think that AI and technology could be beneficial because

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Speaker 5: like and most of it.

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Speaker 4: Is down in South Florida.

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Speaker 5: You've got these fly by night companies that will set

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Speaker 5: up they will pretend that they're selling, you know, wheelchairs,

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Speaker 5: they will steal a bunch of Medicare numbers from the

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Speaker 5: dark web. They will submit, you know, for ten million

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Speaker 5: dollars in reimbursement from Medicare. The money will come through

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Speaker 5: and then they shut down and so like that. That's

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Speaker 5: the kind of thing that maybe you can get away

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Speaker 5: with the nineties, but with the technology we have today,

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Speaker 5: you should have to be able to.

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Speaker 3: Approve like this is a real need for a real person.

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Speaker 5: Where the where are the wheelchairs? Where's your physical address?

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Speaker 5: Who are you? Like, so if they were, if we

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Speaker 5: were serious, there is actually billions of dollars to be saved.

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Speaker 2: There well, it's also worth saying there is a government

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Speaker 2: the Government Accountability Office is meant to root out this

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Speaker 2: type of fraud. On an annual basis, finds hundreds of

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars of fraud.

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Speaker 4: Vastly more invest more in that.

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Speaker 2: Vastly more than what they're I mean they haven't found.

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Speaker 2: They've found in terms of actual fraud that's been elevated

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Speaker 2: at zero dollars. They've found some things they just like

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Speaker 2: don't like, you know, money going to organizations that they

1134
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Speaker 2: just have an issue with, or just completely fabricated things

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Speaker 2: like the one hundred million dollar condoms to Gazo, which

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Speaker 2: was not even a thing, right, And we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: the Politico example later, but your point just.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, people don't miss it.

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Speaker 5: Rick Scott his company oversaw the biggest medicare fraud in

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Speaker 5: American history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so get him involved. You should know where to

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Speaker 3: find it.

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Speaker 5: So, and that is also an indication of because what

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Speaker 5: I described sounds like it should be doable by the richest.

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Speaker 4: Country on the planet to root out this fraud.

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Speaker 5: But you're getting way up the river, Like the level

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Speaker 5: the amount of money being made on this puts you

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Speaker 5: in rooms where people have the power to stop that

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Speaker 5: from happening.

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Speaker 4: So why isn't the GAO getting more money? Why I

1151
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 4: jeez that the HHS getting more money.

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Speaker 5: Why is it FBI being directed there instead of wherever.

1153
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 4: The hew the FBI is being directed.

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Speaker 5: Well, Rick Scott's a senator from Florida, and you know,

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Speaker 5: he might be the most prominent example of somebody like this,

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00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 5: but he's not the only one.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And again, if you really wanted to root out fraud,

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Speaker 2: you would be taking a look at that the Pentagon budget,

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Speaker 2: which has.

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Speaker 3: Never passed an audit.

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Speaker 2: That might be the place that you would actually start,

1163
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: but not if you're getting billions of dollars in your

1164
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: own contracts from that entity just to continue on here.

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Speaker 2: So they've busted into Center for Medicare. They also put

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Speaker 2: B three up on the screen, have gotten access to NOAH,

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Speaker 2: that's the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

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Speaker 3: Why should you care? That's right? Well, why should you care?

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Speaker 2: Because if you like to know when hurricanes are going

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Speaker 2: to hit in your area.

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Speaker 4: Or what the weather is going to be like tomorrow, you.

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Speaker 2: May appreciate the work that NOAH does. But Noah has

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Speaker 2: long been in the sites of conservatives because they don't

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Speaker 2: like that it you know, that climate change is real,

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Speaker 2: and the Noah data proves that to be the case.

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Speaker 3: They don't like that.

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Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five took aim at Noah in particular.

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Speaker 2: They describe it as harmful to US prosperity for its

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Speaker 2: role in climate science. And they also have wanted to

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Speaker 2: privatize the data that's collected here so that you the

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Speaker 2: public don't have access to it, only private corporations have

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Speaker 2: access to it. And I mean, since there's a time

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Speaker 2: with the conversation you and Emily were having about housing,

1184
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Speaker 2: which is that all these insurers are looking at the

1185
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: data and are like, Yeah, your house in this area

1186
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Speaker 2: is really prone to a wild buyer or really prone

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Speaker 2: to being destroyed by a hurricane.

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Speaker 3: And this is a problem.

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Speaker 2: But because there's been such so many political lies about

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Speaker 2: the climate crisis, it has kept people from being able

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Speaker 2: to really absorb how much risk they are personally at

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Speaker 2: wherever they happen to be living. And so they would

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Speaker 2: like to go more in the direction of only private

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Speaker 2: corporations really getting to understand the data and the science

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Speaker 2: that is collected around the atmosphere.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's crazy to think that there really are

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Speaker 5: these niche companies who just hate the idea that Noah

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Speaker 5: gives this information away for free, which then allows your

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Speaker 5: weather app and your various weather apps to then be

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Speaker 5: available mostly for free. They're pulling data from you, or

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Speaker 5: you can get the fancy ones where you pay, but

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Speaker 5: then you get a little.

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Speaker 4: Extra from those from those asks.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they want they want you to have to

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Speaker 5: pay for everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: Sager would agree with me on that one.

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Speaker 3: I think he's.

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Speaker 2: Brought up Noah himself before, so yeah, I think he'd

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Speaker 2: be on board with that. Let's put before up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. The GSA is a General Services administration. They

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Speaker 2: basically keep track of all of the kind of like

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Speaker 2: hard assets, including real estate, of the federal government. And

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Speaker 2: so they received a message from DOJE saying that they

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Speaker 2: are trying to get rid of terminate the leases on

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Speaker 2: and many of the federal offices nationwide to cut back

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Speaker 2: the real estate budget by fifty percent. Kind of goes

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Speaker 2: against the whole idea of everybody's got to go back

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Speaker 2: to the office, because actually already some of the office

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Speaker 2: space has been let go because you had a post

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Speaker 2: COVID shift away from everybody being at the office all

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Speaker 2: the time, and so you know they're wanting to strip

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Speaker 2: this back even further. And you know, I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: surprised to see if some closely connected people are able

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Speaker 2: to benefit from some.

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Speaker 3: Of these sales.

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Speaker 2: You know, some potentially blow market possibilities here. But this

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Speaker 2: is a you know, another DOGE effort to just come

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Speaker 2: in and slash and burn. And then the last piece

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Speaker 2: we have for you, while we've got two more pieces

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Speaker 2: for you. One is they are trying to move to

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Speaker 2: a system where their communications within DOGE would not be

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Speaker 2: subject to FOIA requests. That we can put B five

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. This is another one of these

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Speaker 2: kind of outsider outlets that was able to get this scoop.

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Speaker 2: This is for a four media. They say DOGE employees

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Speaker 2: the order to stop using slack while agency transitions to

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Speaker 2: a record system not subject to FOYA. This is a

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Speaker 2: little bit there's like different reporting requirements. If you're right now,

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Speaker 2: DOG is under the Office Management and budget. If they

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Speaker 2: were to report directly through the White House, then they're

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Speaker 2: subject to different records requirements. Ryan, you could probably speak

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Speaker 2: to this better than I can. And so they want

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Speaker 2: to say, no, no, actually, we're just reporting to Chief

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Speaker 2: of Staff Susie Wiles. We're just under the Office of

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Speaker 2: the President. That's who we're advising. And so then we

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Speaker 2: would become under what is it called like the Presidential

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Speaker 2: Records Act, which holds doesn't allow you to FOYA anything

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Speaker 2: until you.

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Speaker 3: Know, years down in the future.

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Speaker 2: So just an effort here to make sure that there

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Speaker 2: is truly no transparency about what's going on there.

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Speaker 5: Right in order to stand up their their DOJ committee.

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Speaker 5: Immediately they took over a digital committee that Obama had

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Speaker 5: set up, which had been under omb and in the

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Speaker 5: executive Order, he said, it's not there anymore now, it's

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Speaker 5: so for it.

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Speaker 4: The White House.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of lawyers are like, well, that's not

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Speaker 5: how it works. You can't just like you actually have

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Speaker 5: to go through serious process to like rearrange that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't get to just say like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't really want to be SUBJISTI for it anymore.

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Speaker 3: So we're just not going to do that.

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Speaker 4: But you know they probably can and they will.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: It's ironic that the Twitter the guy, the Twitter files guy,

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Speaker 5: the dude all about transparency is now seeking to undermine it.

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Speaker 5: And then separately on the on the gs A thing

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Speaker 5: where they're canceling all the leases. That's another speed run

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Speaker 5: through his Twitter takeover, Like the first thing he did

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Speaker 5: was get rid of the get rid of a bunch

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Speaker 5: of leases, break the leases, stop paying, make make, make

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Speaker 5: them sue and going.

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Speaker 4: Back to the idea of like.

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Speaker 5: The random connections you have, like I've you know, whole

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Speaker 5: bunch of neighbors who are federal workers.

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Speaker 4: And then they're being asked to come in.

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Speaker 5: And what they've said is that, you know, over the

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Speaker 5: last several years, in order to save money, their agencies

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Speaker 5: have downsized their their offices. So now it's more like,

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Speaker 5: all right, what what kind of office size would we

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Speaker 5: need if people came in two or three days a week,

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Speaker 5: and oh, we would need shared workspaces and more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're mutable, we really have their own space.

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Speaker 2: You come in, you grab whatever cubicles available, with an

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Speaker 2: assumption that only you know, maybe fifty percent of the

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Speaker 2: workforce will be there.

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Speaker 3: On any given day.

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Speaker 5: And so now that they're saying, okay, actually everybody's back

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Speaker 5: for five days with oh we need to go get

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Speaker 5: a bigger office yeah, and if that's what they want

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Speaker 5: us to do, to have that coupled with actually we're

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Speaker 5: getting rid of all the offices, Like wait a minute,

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Speaker 5: I thought we were coming.

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Speaker 3: In coming in to wear exactly. Yeah, that's that is

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Speaker 3: all very accurate. You know.

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Speaker 2: I live out in King George County, which is about

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Speaker 2: an hour and a half from years, the town that

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Speaker 2: I grew up in, and it's based around the economy

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Speaker 2: there is based around a naval base, but it's mostly

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Speaker 2: civilian scientists who work there. But then it also is

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Speaker 2: the type of place that during COVID, when people were

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Speaker 2: able to get these flexible work schedules, suddenly like if

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Speaker 2: you're commuting into DC an hour and a half a

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Speaker 2: day plus traffic makes it like a ridiculous, miserable commute.

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Speaker 2: You can't really do that five days a week. But

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Speaker 2: if you're coming in.

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Speaker 3: Two days a week, three days a week, okay, that

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Speaker 3: becomes more doable.

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Speaker 2: So there's been a lot of movement of people out

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Speaker 2: to where I live who do have to go into DC,

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01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: who are you know, obviously their lives are going to

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01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 2: be turned upside down. And the other piece of this

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01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: that you know, we didn't even touch on is the

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01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: big fork in the road letter that sent out the

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01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: quote unquote buyoun which is not really biol but whatever

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Speaker 2: that they sent out is also coming under a lot

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01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 2: of legal scrutiny, and there's huge questions and about whether

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01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: this is truly a real whether it's a legal offer

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01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: because again there's no funds to back it up because

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Speaker 2: that has to go through.

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Speaker 3: Congress, and whether or not they could just.

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Speaker 2: Kind of renick on it at any time because of

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 2: this not actually being a legal offer. And then very

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Speaker 2: few federal employees took them up on this effort, and

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Speaker 2: it seems to have had this kind of backlash effect

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Speaker 2: where people are like, you know, people being stubborn creatures

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Speaker 2: as we are, We're like, oh, you want me to leave,

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01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: will screw you. I'm definitely staying now. So it's you know,

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01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: so that piece is going on as well. Last on

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01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: the politics of this, we could put Jade Vance's tweet

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01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: up on the screen here, which is interesting for a

1334
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: variety of reasons, but anyway, he says, quote, no one

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01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: voted for Elon Musk. They did, however, vote for Donald Trump,

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01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: who promised repeatedly to have Elon Musk routout wasteful spending

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01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: in our government. You know, to me, this was a

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01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: sign that they are sensitive about the criticisms of Elon Musk.

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01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: You know, his favorability is plummeting. Doge is underwater, which

1340
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: is kind of amazing to me because if you just

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01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: ask people in general, like, oh, should the government be

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01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: more efficient? Of course they're like, yes, that sounds great.

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01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: So the fact they managed to get that project to

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01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: be have a negative approval rating is kind of incredible.

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01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: And then it's also I mean, it's also funny to

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01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 2: me because Elon and Trump are the only two people

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01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 2: that matter in this administration.

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Speaker 3: Like JD.

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: Vance has been thoroughly pushed to the side. Now this

1350
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: is the Partzoker would.

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01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 3: Probably this is where he would probably and put it

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Speaker 3: back and object to. But it's true.

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01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: You know I was saying to you before when we're

1354
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 2: watching Mark or Rubio all of these agency heads, like

1355
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: they're all irrelevant. You know, the plan truly from these

1356
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: in this It sounds crazy when you lay these things out,

1357
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: but go and look at what their intellectual influencers, people

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01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 2: like Curtis Yarvin, are saying. They want Elon Musk to

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01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: be the CEO the dictator of the country and Donald

1360
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: Trump to effectively be like the chair of the board.

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Speaker 2: And that's how you should understand this dynamic. Elon is

1362
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: a megalomaniac, like he truly believes he is intellectually superior

1363
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: to everyone that he deserves by dent of being the

1364
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: richest man on the planet to not just run our country,

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01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: but run the world. I think in his mind he's

1366
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: a hero who's trying to save humanity by you know,

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01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: bringing us to Mars or whatever. And he has this

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01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: kind of you know, I don't know that he would

1369
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: describe himself as an effective altruism, but it kind of

1370
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 2: is that mindset of the ends justify the means. I

1371
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: can hurt any people, I can break any laws I

1372
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 2: can do, you know, do whatever I think.

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 3: Is best in service of these like.

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: Multi generational interplanetary goals. And so that's what you see

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 2: in operation here. Like if he knows that, you know,

1376
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 2: let's say one hundred thousand kids with HIV are going

1377
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: to die because of his actions, he sees that as

1378
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: in service of this greater goal that he has decided

1379
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: for himself in his head that he wants to impose

1380
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 2: on all of US. He also, as the world's top oligarch,

1381
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: sees the United States government as the one force that

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01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: could be powerful enough to reign in his desires and

1383
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: his power. So you know, when we're talking about there's

1384
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: a risk of him breaking things like for him, that's a.

1385
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 3: Feature, not a bug.

1386
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: The United States government not functioning and people you know, suffering,

1387
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: people being more poor, people being less educated, those are

1388
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: all things that benefit him personally because number one, it

1389
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: makes people easier to control. Number Two, there's actually a

1390
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: YouTuber who pointed this out. He's obsessed with this whole

1391
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: birth rate thing and talks about how people who are

1392
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: poor and less educated have more kids. So it also

1393
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 2: solves his problem in terms of, oh, I want people

1394
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: to have more kids if you are poorer and less educated.

1395
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 2: And so you know, if you go and read these

1396
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: guys and their philosophy, like I said, Curtis Yarvin is

1397
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: one of the primary influencers here. They want a tech

1398
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: feudalist society with a CEO king and the end of democracy,

1399
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 2: and that is a fact. What we're witnessing here, step

1400
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: by step is Elon Musk himself trying to take control

1401
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: of the reigns of the federal government and be able

1402
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: to control the spending and have it just go out

1403
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: and take control of the agencies that are both critical

1404
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: and have it run according to his whims, ideologies and wishes.

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01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the scale of the investment that he needs

1406
01:08:54,680 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 5: to achieve that long term vision requires that you US

1407
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 5: government to invest a significant amount of its money in

1408
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 5: that direction, Like if he's going to go to Mars, right,

1409
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,879
Speaker 5: like you need the federal you need the American federal government,

1410
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 5: like printing the money to make that happen.

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, he was able to get Trump

1412
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: to install his choice for Secretary of the Air Force,

1413
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,480
Speaker 2: who had previously been influential in getting Giant SpaceX contracts,

1414
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 2: you know, for the for Elon. So in all the

1415
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: areas where he wants things to happen, they are happening

1416
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 2: according to his wishes. Now there is a legal pushback that,

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01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 2: like I said, we'll talk to David Daan about And

1418
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 2: I do think you know, at some point the state

1419
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: probably reasserts itself against this oligarch. But you know, how

1420
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: much how much damage is done between then now and then?

1421
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: And when is when is that going to actually happen?

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 4: In the meantime, I think jd.

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01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 5: Vance is playing the long game, where like he is

1424
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 5: currently in the pole position to take over the Republican

1425
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 5: Party in the absence of Trump. There's obviously a lot

1426
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 5: of competition, Don June and plenty of others. H And

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 5: Elon Musk will be a king maker unless he's in

1428
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 5: prison by that or something. But like along this trajectory,

1429
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 5: he he can make or break, you know, the next

1430
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 5: chairman of the Republican Board. And so Jadie Vance I

1431
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 5: think you're going to see him, uh linking himself very

1432
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 5: tightly with Elon Musk in the coming years.

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01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: And Jade Vance has you know, close ties with Peter Teel,

1434
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: who's you know, tied into this whole world as well.

1435
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 2: I mean he was put in there very intentionally as well.

1436
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean the real figure at this point

1437
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 2: is Elon. He is the you know, previously, when I

1438
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: was reading these guys, I thought they were thinking of

1439
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: Trump as the like CEO king, but they actually weren't

1440
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,959
Speaker 2: thinking of Elon, Who's who's the real.

1441
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 4: A wild card anyway.

1442
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 2: Trump is too much of a wildcard. Trump is not

1443
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: ideological in the same way, you know, so he gets

1444
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 2: to be over here doing his you know whatever things

1445
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 2: he's interested in, immigration, tariff threats, you know, quote unquote

1446
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: turning on the water in California. Like he gets to

1447
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: go over and do play with and and go golfing

1448
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: and do whatever he wants to do. And meanwhile, Elon

1449
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: is actually taking the reins and going forward with what

1450
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 2: I think you can truly describe as a revolution.

1451
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 4: Which he continues to call it a revolution accurately.

1452
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's which makes our whole like, what about Foya

1453
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 5: seems so.

1454
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: Trivial, completely completely Yeah, no, that's absolutely right.

1455
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 3: Well, it's absolutely right