WEBVTT - #603 Packers Unscripted: New team in town 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:11.039 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.480 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.919 by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.239 here from our studios at lambeau Field West. The New 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.840 York Jets are in town. We were able to witness 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:27.320 the first of two joint practices yesterday. We will witness 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.600 number two shortly after we scedattle out of the studio here, 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.520 but quickly before we fast forward to previewing Saturday Nights 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:39.239 preseason game. Your observations from the first joint practice here 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.920 at at the lambeau Field area in two years a 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.800 cleaner better, Uh, you know, at two thousand nineteen, I 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.520 think everybody's feeling things out. Aaron Rodgers made a really 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.080 salient point talking about how he felt like the relationship 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.200 between Robert Salo and Matt Lafleur really helps. But the 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.000 fact the matter is with the Houston's that they really 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.800 just didn't know each other very well. And if you're 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.080 not comfortable with each other, I don't think there's gonna 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.679 be as much room there to be creative with the practice. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.000 And it was somewhat disjointed there was a hit on 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.480 Jay Sternberger. It just wasn't It wasn't watched how you 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.000 wanted it to look this year, I thought that was 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.000 an optimal practice. Now we'll have to see what this 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:16.800 one here in a couple of hours looks like. But 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.360 the you know, they were able to get the work 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.200 in that they did. You had the Jets over on 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.920 Clark Hankle Field, you had the Packers over on Nichki Field. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.679 At the start of practice, the Jets come over and 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.479 the team periods were competitive. They were able to run 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.920 split squads with the Packers offense going up against the 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.880 Jets offense or Jets defense that with the ones and 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.600 then flipping the page over on the south side of 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.760 the field doing the opposite. And I just you watched 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.600 the offense, I watched a lot of the defense. I 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.400 just was really impressed by the work. And I agree 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.520 with what Matt Lafleur said. I think when you're going 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.240 up against a new opponent, not that everybody doesn't go 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.720 hard in practice, but you know, guys have certain tendencies. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.960 You pick up on those tendencies. This is a different game, 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.120 and it gives you an opportunity to face some of 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.880 those guys that you know, Yes, Kirk ben Kertz gonna 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.600 play a lot of these guys on Saturday Night, but 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.000 Aaron Rodgers isn't going to. So I mean, like those 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:07.680 type of things I think can be really valuable here 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.560 for Green Bay as they move forward. Yeah, and you 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.600 certainly see the the the contrast in the two quarterbacks, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.239 the Packers obviously with the polished Aaron Rodgers, a three 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.400 time m v P, the Jets getting their brand new 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.120 first round draft picks Zack Wilson uh indoctrinated here into 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.720 the NFL. So two teams that are obviously just at 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.840 at at completely different points in terms of the development 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:34.040 of their roster, their offenses, the quarterback play all that. Interestingly, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.280 Rogers talked afterwards about how it was a little bit 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.480 of a rough day for the new center, Josh Myers, 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.240 in terms of, you know, the declarations, the communication and 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.079 things like that. This is exactly the type of thing 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.560 that the type of experience that a guy that a 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.440 guy like Josh Meyers needs because you know, for all 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.160 the snaps that he is going to take in the 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.240 preseason games and we expect Josh Meyers to play some 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.800 more in the preseason. You're not going to see the 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.400 exotic looks and the blitz is and all that, because 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.560 because coaches don't want to put that stuff on film 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.079 in the preseason, they'll do it in these joint practices 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.760 because the information is not going to get out. This 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.880 is the kind of work that a new rookie center 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.079 for Aaron Rodgers needs. He's getting it this week. You 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.080 could tell Rogers really appreciated the approach that Solid took 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.960 to and and uh, you know, being able to throw 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.359 a little bit more at them, getting them the line blackers, 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.040 blitz the linebackers, blitzing, getting the safety is moving up 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.400 and blitzing a little bit more. That was cool to 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.240 see because the challenge is not only Myers but also 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.520 those guards. There's a big battle right now for both 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.400 of the guard jobs. And you know, getting those guys 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.360 thinking a little bit more, making sure that it isn't 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.800 just going through the motions that they really are you know, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.360 diagnosing what's happening at the line of scrimmage. And from 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.360 Myer's case, this is such an invaluable time for him. Yes, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.680 the off season program was great. He got a chance 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.160 to be the one you know, center with Jordan's love. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.000 But now he's with Aaron Rodgers and there's gonna be 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.280 so many things that are gonna happen in week one 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.240 and week two that those two are going to be 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.920 able to build together on. It's funny, my for seven years, 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.240 you and I didn't know what it was like to 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.840 look at a rookie center and and now we're back 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.880 at that spot because that's just the way the National 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.960 Football League goes. Corey Linsley is the best at his 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.160 position and being is being paid as such by the Chargers. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.680 So for for Myers now to be able to understand 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.440 what Rogers is looking for and also just staying up 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.920 on his blocking assignments a very very valuable time for him. Yeah, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.600 it was interesting. Rogers said that he needs to get 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.400 the team, needs to get Josh Meyer's thinking as quickly 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.120 as he does. Well, that's probably not gonna happen because 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.040 I'm not sure if anybody thinks quite as quickly as 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.520 as Aaron Rodgers out there in the heat of the battle. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.320 But it gives you a sense of of what they're 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.800 working on here. It's about it's about the speed of 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.440 the game. It's the recognition, it's making the adjustments on 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.400 the fly in order to make things work. Um, in 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.640 the heat of the moment. There quickly though, before we 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.160 move on to what we'll be looking for on Saturday, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.880 I gotta get your opinion the new throwback uniforms, then 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.000 the classic nineteen fifties. Look, what do you think? Well? 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.880 I was slightly disappointed. I'm not really, yeah, because I 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.559 got a preview of all the photos ahead of time 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.880 and all the people that were going to be portrayed, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.160 and there were Mike Spofford photos in there. And when 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.080 they announced the uniforms on Thursday morning, suddenly there was 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.839 David bat there was Jr. Alexander, there was Aaron Jones, 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.719 all these really wonderful athletes. But there was no Smike 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.080 Spofford in the nineteen fifties. Reporter Garb, I was really 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.320 disappointed by that. I'm sorry. I just took forty five 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.599 seconds of the show to say my own inside joke. 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.960 But no, it's cool. Um. I actually thought about wearing 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.880 my lap my acme packer like Polo for the last time, 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.680 just to be able to get one more repetition. Yeah. Yeah, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.680 we don't get to wear the blue and gold because 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.320 for so long basically in my whole adulthood, it's that's 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.680 been the look. So for Green Bay to mix it 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.359 up now it's a nineteen fifties inspired uniform. It's it 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.039 has you know, the green and yell. You can find 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.800 it everywhere now. I love it, and I love the 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.720 fact that it was able to incorporate the helmet more naturally. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.600 That was something one of the criticisms with the old 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.800 actor thing is you had a very different type of 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.119 helmet with the brown. This is a pretty easy fix, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.280 I think for Red Batty and his equipment staff to 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.120 basically just get the g off there. But yet it's 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.400 still blends really nicely with the uniform. A really cool look. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.360 Some amazing photos by Evan siegelan packers dot com right 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.120 now and also Tyler Gyski our video department doing a 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.480 fantastic job with the hype video on it. It's a 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.440 good look. Yeah, you gotta check out all. I think 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.479 it's a really cool look to I. I love it. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.080 I was hoping that it was going to be something 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.800 of that, uh you know that green with the gold 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.599 accent from the nineteen fifties and the Packers will be 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.200 for those wondering the Packers will be wearing that uniform 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.279 for the home game against Washington this year, which is 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:49.000 also the game when the newly inducted Hall of Famer 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.000 from the nineteen fifties, Bobby Dylan, will have his name 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.680 added to the lambeau Field facade. So October, I believe 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.599 is the date of the Washington game. So uh wes 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.280 see rious x M. NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.000 and up to the minute NFL news that true football 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:12.040 fanatics need. 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You tell me that spot, I'll work on that. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.000 I'll work on that teachable moment. Boy, I'm really under 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:56.960 some scrutiny here today, all right, preseason game number two 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.560 Saturday afternoon, actually, which I have to keep reminding myself 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:08.320 for I'm gonna show up late for work on PM. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.480 Kickoff on Saturday at lambeau Field. The Packers will be 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.160 taking on the Jets following these two joint practices they 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.280 are having this week. A lot of things to watch 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.480 for here West. What's top of the list for you? Well, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.560 first off, we gotta see what's going on with Jordan's love. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.920 Matt LaForce said earlier this week that he probably won't 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.920 practice here against the Jets. I'm using my regular season mindset, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.760 which typically means that that guy is not going to 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.120 play in the game. They're not going that far. They're 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.800 not ruling them out quite yet at the time in 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.080 which we're taping this. But you gotta imagine whatever happens 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.559 with Love, We're going to see a healthy dose of 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.040 Kurt Ben Kurt. And the real reason I'm very intrigued 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.280 about that is so often and you saw it last 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.360 year with Jordan's Love the year before that with Tim Boyle, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.640 it's really difficult for that number three quarterback to get reps. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.800 But now in this age where Aaron Rodgers isn't playing 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.880 in the preseason, those guys are able to basically get 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.480 the most amount of work in the preseason games as 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.319 opposed the actual practices. It's a really interesting change that 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.520 sort of happened, and ben Kurt I really liked a 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.199 lot of things he did in that preseason game. He's 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.760 he's got to kind of slow down the mechanism a 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.040 little bit. You know. Obviously there was the fumbled exchange 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.520 and there was the pick, but he plays tenaciously. And 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.360 the fact of the matter is, Mike, if you're number 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.400 three quarterback in this league, you've got to do something 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.520 to get attention. You're not going to be able to 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.240 go out there and just dink and dunk in these 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.199 preseason games and impress anybody. He had. He's shown his arm, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.600 he's shown his ability to stand tall in the pocket. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.400 He's not afraid to get hit. As just say. One 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.480 thing we know about Kurt Benkert from what we've seen 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.839 in him so far, is he is fearless. He played. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.839 He plays the game with no fear, and I think 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.160 that's what we're gonna see on Saturday. So it starts 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.640 with Ben Kurt. But but let's be real, what's the 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.120 number one storyline this preseason game. It is the guard 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.520 situation because now this week we saw the shift John 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.839 Runyon Jr. At left I left guard excuse me, and 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.800 over at right guard. They're using now Ross, Royce Newman, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.600 the rookie fourth round pick, Lucas Patrick still right guard 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.880 with the twos and Ben Braden was at left guard 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.520 with the twos. But the thing was earlier this week 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.520 they were flipping those guys. They were basically running like 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.120 two and two with the first team. In the practice 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.200 we saw on Wednesday, it was just running and Newman. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.920 This is a major opportunity right now for Royce Newman 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.040 to put his name in the hat for that starting gig. Yeah, 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.160 the Packers are going to be looking at that guard 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.000 situation very closely, and particularly with Newman now in that 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.640 competition for a starting guard spot, and they want to 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.880 get that running game going. I know, mostly the preseason 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.199 is about the individual evaluations and individual improvement, but with 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.880 these twos and threes, the backup units. You also want 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.320 to see some collective improvement. And the Packers want to 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.240 be able to run the ball better. They want to 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.040 be able to perform better on special teams. They also 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.280 like to see their run defense. You know, if if 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.440 you know, a guy like t J. Slaton is going 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.920 to play forty plus snaps again, they want to see 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.400 the run defense have more longev than not just the 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.920 first half, but be able to hold up through the 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.559 second half as well. So all of those things um 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.040 here in the mix. But um but I'm with you. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.839 It's it's it's seeing what happens at that guard spot. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.240 And I think, honestly, in some respects how the running 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.880 game looks is going to be um uh, certainly a 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.320 significant piece of that evaluation as to how those interior 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.760 guys are doing on the offensive line. The Packers want 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.640 to get this running game going well. And then you 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.520 saw what happened at the end of that game where 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.680 Dexter Williams is able to break off four runs for 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.679 thirty two yards. And and I'm not going to be 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.600 able to break everything down for you and explain all 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.080 those holes happen, but Dexter Williams is a guy that 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.480 I think a lot of people started kind of slipped 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.360 off the memory a little bit because we're talking about 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.040 Kylan Hill. Obviously everyone's looking at A. J. Dillon's squads, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.400 and then you know Patrick Taylor was coming back and 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.160 is a really good story after an entire midseason due 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.000 to the list Frank injury. But then there's Dexter, you know, 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.480 making plays. I mean that that competition going into this 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.160 if you want to call it the third turn here, 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.360 this race, it's down to the wire. I think all 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.880 those guys are making a case for himselves. Kylan Hill 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.319 made maybe the art argubably the biggest play in that 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.679 game with the twenty two yard touched on off the 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.520 screen pass, but only had negative two yards rushing because 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.240 some of the issues early on. So seeing how those 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.080 things fit together is gonna be important. And then also 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.360 I do want to throw this out there as well. Yes, 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.200 it's about who's gonna be left guard, right guard, but 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.440 at some point Elton Jenkins is going to be back 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.920 at left guard, David Batr is gonna be back at 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.920 left tackle that right guard spot, Mike. As much as 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.240 we talk about the guards right now, you've got four 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.320 maybe five guys all competing for that job. And you know, 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.040 the also the versatility with you know, Dennis Kelly plays 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.720 right tackle, b j excuse me, Billy Turner can move inside. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.960 Just so many different variables here that the Packers are 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.160 trying to work through. Yeah, Unfortunately, in the first joint 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.760 practice with the Jets, we saw Dennis Kelly go down 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.240 with an injury. Unfortunately, we don't really have an update there, 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.320 and not the kind of thing that that you like 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.480 to see, but most likely something that is going to 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.560 hold him out of the preseason game on Saturday at 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.320 a minimum. So we'll see what the Packers decided to 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.360 do at right tackle. And then also Devin Funcius at 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.120 wide receiver had such a really strong preseason debut last 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.840 week against Houston. He comes up kind of holding his 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:13.000 hamstring after a play on um during Wednesday's practice and 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.880 and again we'll have to we'll have to see what 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.960 happens there. But but not what you want to see 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:22.240 with with guys leaving with injuries. Another thing to mention too, though. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.000 One of Matt Lafleur's comments after the previous game on 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:31.520 Saturday night against Houston was wanting to see stickier coverage 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.079 from the cornerbacks, from these guys who are competing for 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:38.240 these spots behind JayR Alexander, Kevin King, and Eric Stokes, 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.480 and and how that how that competition evolves. Well, one 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.560 decision was made this week because the Packers decided to 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:51.720 trade Josh Jackson to the New York Giants for Isaac Yeiedem. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:56.120 Hopefully I'm saying that correctly, two guys both drafted in 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.440 the two thousand and eighteen draft. Jackson in the second round, 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.800 yea item in the third round, and kind of one 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.120 of these change of scenery things that looks like for 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.480 both players, and you hope it ends up being a 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.480 win win for both teams and for both players. Will 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.559 have to see how it plays out. Because because Ike, 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.760 as he told us, we're we're allowed to call Isaac 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.600 Ike here when he met with the media for the 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.280 first time here in Green Bay, he doesn't have a 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.040 whole lot of time to to land a roster spot here. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:25.760 But you know, he's gonna give it everything he's got. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.240 He's been through this change of scenery thing before. Yes, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.480 I'm actually surprised the Ike think didn't take off more 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.280 with the Giants. You know, there's pretty good ikes in 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.120 their history as well. But yeah, I'm gonna start with 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.360 Josh Jackson really fast. You had to read about this 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:43.360 in inbox when you're editing it. It's tough when you're 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.920 a second round pick and you don't necessarily play up 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.880 to that level and the expectations that go along with that. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.080 The thing I'll keep saying over and over again, and 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:53.760 I know I took a lot of flak from our 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:58.080 insider inbox readers for how I defended Josh over the years. Um, 0:14:58.120 --> 0:14:59.880 and I really did see the upside. I mean we 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.000 saw it in practice. I mean last year I started 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.720 to have some doubts and then he comes out and 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.680 I thought he had a really good couple of weeks 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.000 of training camp when they started practicing, and that, ultimately, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:10.720 I think probably opened the door to him getting more 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.160 defensive opportunities than he did in two thousand nineteen. But 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.680 at the end of the day, you know, it just 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.240 didn't work out for him. Here I keep saying this 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.000 over and over again, I'll say it one more time. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.760 Jackson is one of the guys I've really enjoyed getting 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.680 to know the last few years, and unfortunately getting a 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.280 chance to see enough of them the last you know, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.480 one and a half. But and just because something doesn't 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.040 work out professionally, that's not a detriment to the person. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.360 And Josh Jackson, I hope Packer fans realized that that 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.320 that guy gave everything he had and he earned every 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.440 cent on his paycheck to play for this football team. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.240 I wish him well. I hope it works out for 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.840 him with the Giants. But moving on to the next chapter, 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.120 the Packers needed to get more and they have to 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.880 solidified starters I believe you could say, and in terms 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.160 of established in the league and in jaire Alexander and 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.280 Kevin King, Chandon's Sullivan has been the slot guy for 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.440 a year and a half and the obviously the first 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.240 round pick and Eric Stokes. But you need more from 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.960 a secondary. You need to build that out and you 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.600 have to you have to believe and I know we're 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.800 not gonna, you know, go pick in the roster anything 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.400 like that, but you have to believe six, if not seven, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.400 cornerbacks are gonna be on thist three man roster when 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.040 when it's all said and done. So, even as we 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:24.600 talk about Alexander King, Sullivan and Stokes, who are clearly 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.240 the top four packers are looking for at least two 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.200 or three more to be on the fifty three and 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.880 then potentially even have another reserve or two on the 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.480 expanded practice squad. Yeah, and again we're not cutting the roster. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.960 But you'd have to think Shamar John Charles is in 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.800 that conversation round draft pick. They're going to give him 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.720 a chance to develop. So then you have your deem. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.000 You have Kaban Ento who had a fantastic game on 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.600 Saturday night. You have Kadar Holman back from two years ago. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.920 Oh and then by the way, right back here on 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:56.200 your back end, you've got like three late round undrafted 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.280 safeties that are making strong bids. You know, Vernon Scott 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.400 has looked good though he has a hamstring flare up 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.480 now in his gains was a January signing that typically 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.119 those guys get under the radar, you never hear about 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.159 them again. And here he is, I thought, putting together 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.159 a really strong training campaign. Guys like that get signed 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.200 in January. As you know, those those future signings. A 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.920 lot of times those guys don't even make it to 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.680 training camp. Like somewhere along the line during spring O 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.040 t A S and the you know, the personnel department's 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:25.679 churn in the bottom of the roster to get the 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.840 ninety man set for training camp. Some of those future 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.720 guys that are signed in January before the playoffs or 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.840 even over, they don't even make it this far. And 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.639 in his gains is he's he's in the running for 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.600 a spot on the fifty three here, no question. Yeah, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.679 because it's not just what he's doing on defense. I 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.120 mean he's made some nice plays on special teams as well. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.240 So yes, you're right when you say you don't know 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.200 how many guys are gonna keep at cornerback. I would 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.040 imagine you know, you've seen them keep as many as 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.240 eleven or twelve defensive backs in this era. Now, between 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.200 cornerback and safety, all those guys are competing with each other. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.159 And Adrian Names touched on it too when we were 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.680 asking about it after the game this week. Uh, after practice, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.520 there's there's competition there and there's a lot of guys 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.760 vying for familiar roles and seeing who prevails in that 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.320 I think is gonna have real huge repercussions for this 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.040 defense here in two Yeah, well, there will be a 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.639 lot of film to analyze after these two joint practices, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.960 followed by the preseason game and then one more preseason 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.760 game the road trip to Buffalo next week. But for now, 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.440 we're going to call it a wrap on this edition 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.959 of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.000 coverage of training camp and of Saturday's preseason game. We'll 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.000 have it all for you on Packers dot com. For West, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.400 I'm Mike, thank you for tuning, and everybody, we will 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:36.360 see you next time.