1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field West. The New 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: York Jets are in town. We were able to witness 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: the first of two joint practices yesterday. We will witness 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: number two shortly after we scedattle out of the studio here, 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: but quickly before we fast forward to previewing Saturday Nights 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: preseason game. Your observations from the first joint practice here 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: at at the lambeau Field area in two years a 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: cleaner better, Uh, you know, at two thousand nineteen, I 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: think everybody's feeling things out. Aaron Rodgers made a really 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: salient point talking about how he felt like the relationship 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: between Robert Salo and Matt Lafleur really helps. But the 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: fact the matter is with the Houston's that they really 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: just didn't know each other very well. And if you're 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: not comfortable with each other, I don't think there's gonna 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: be as much room there to be creative with the practice. 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: And it was somewhat disjointed there was a hit on 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: Jay Sternberger. It just wasn't It wasn't watched how you 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: wanted it to look this year, I thought that was 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: an optimal practice. Now we'll have to see what this 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: one here in a couple of hours looks like. But 24 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: the you know, they were able to get the work 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: in that they did. You had the Jets over on 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Clark Hankle Field, you had the Packers over on Nichki Field. 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: At the start of practice, the Jets come over and 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: the team periods were competitive. They were able to run 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: split squads with the Packers offense going up against the 30 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Jets offense or Jets defense that with the ones and 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: then flipping the page over on the south side of 32 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: the field doing the opposite. And I just you watched 33 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: the offense, I watched a lot of the defense. I 34 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: just was really impressed by the work. And I agree 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: with what Matt Lafleur said. I think when you're going 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: up against a new opponent, not that everybody doesn't go 37 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: hard in practice, but you know, guys have certain tendencies. 38 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: You pick up on those tendencies. This is a different game, 39 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: and it gives you an opportunity to face some of 40 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: those guys that you know, Yes, Kirk ben Kertz gonna 41 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: play a lot of these guys on Saturday Night, but 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers isn't going to. So I mean, like those 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: type of things I think can be really valuable here 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: for Green Bay as they move forward. Yeah, and you 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: certainly see the the the contrast in the two quarterbacks, 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: the Packers obviously with the polished Aaron Rodgers, a three 47 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: time m v P, the Jets getting their brand new 48 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: first round draft picks Zack Wilson uh indoctrinated here into 49 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: the NFL. So two teams that are obviously just at 50 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: at at completely different points in terms of the development 51 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: of their roster, their offenses, the quarterback play all that. Interestingly, 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Rogers talked afterwards about how it was a little bit 53 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: of a rough day for the new center, Josh Myers, 54 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, the declarations, the communication and 55 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: things like that. This is exactly the type of thing 56 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: that the type of experience that a guy that a 57 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: guy like Josh Meyers needs because you know, for all 58 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: the snaps that he is going to take in the 59 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: preseason games and we expect Josh Meyers to play some 60 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: more in the preseason. You're not going to see the 61 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: exotic looks and the blitz is and all that, because 62 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: because coaches don't want to put that stuff on film 63 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: in the preseason, they'll do it in these joint practices 64 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: because the information is not going to get out. This 65 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: is the kind of work that a new rookie center 66 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers needs. He's getting it this week. You 67 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: could tell Rogers really appreciated the approach that Solid took 68 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: to and and uh, you know, being able to throw 69 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: a little bit more at them, getting them the line blackers, 70 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: blitz the linebackers, blitzing, getting the safety is moving up 71 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: and blitzing a little bit more. That was cool to 72 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: see because the challenge is not only Myers but also 73 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: those guards. There's a big battle right now for both 74 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: of the guard jobs. And you know, getting those guys 75 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: thinking a little bit more, making sure that it isn't 76 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: just going through the motions that they really are you know, 77 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: diagnosing what's happening at the line of scrimmage. And from 78 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: Myer's case, this is such an invaluable time for him. Yes, 79 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: the off season program was great. He got a chance 80 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: to be the one you know, center with Jordan's love. 81 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: But now he's with Aaron Rodgers and there's gonna be 82 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: so many things that are gonna happen in week one 83 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: and week two that those two are going to be 84 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: able to build together on. It's funny, my for seven years, 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: you and I didn't know what it was like to 86 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: look at a rookie center and and now we're back 87 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: at that spot because that's just the way the National 88 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: Football League goes. Corey Linsley is the best at his 89 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: position and being is being paid as such by the Chargers. 90 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: So for for Myers now to be able to understand 91 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: what Rogers is looking for and also just staying up 92 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: on his blocking assignments a very very valuable time for him. Yeah, 93 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: it was interesting. Rogers said that he needs to get 94 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: the team, needs to get Josh Meyer's thinking as quickly 95 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: as he does. Well, that's probably not gonna happen because 96 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if anybody thinks quite as quickly as 97 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: as Aaron Rodgers out there in the heat of the battle. 98 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: But it gives you a sense of of what they're 99 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: working on here. It's about it's about the speed of 100 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: the game. It's the recognition, it's making the adjustments on 101 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: the fly in order to make things work. Um, in 102 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: the heat of the moment. There quickly though, before we 103 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: move on to what we'll be looking for on Saturday, 104 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: I gotta get your opinion the new throwback uniforms, then 105 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: the classic nineteen fifties. Look, what do you think? Well? 106 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: I was slightly disappointed. I'm not really, yeah, because I 107 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: got a preview of all the photos ahead of time 108 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: and all the people that were going to be portrayed, 109 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: and there were Mike Spofford photos in there. And when 110 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: they announced the uniforms on Thursday morning, suddenly there was 111 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: David bat there was Jr. Alexander, there was Aaron Jones, 112 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: all these really wonderful athletes. But there was no Smike 113 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: Spofford in the nineteen fifties. Reporter Garb, I was really 114 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: disappointed by that. I'm sorry. I just took forty five 115 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: seconds of the show to say my own inside joke. 116 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: But no, it's cool. Um. I actually thought about wearing 117 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: my lap my acme packer like Polo for the last time, 118 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: just to be able to get one more repetition. Yeah. Yeah, 119 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: we don't get to wear the blue and gold because 120 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: for so long basically in my whole adulthood, it's that's 121 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: been the look. So for Green Bay to mix it 122 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: up now it's a nineteen fifties inspired uniform. It's it 123 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: has you know, the green and yell. You can find 124 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: it everywhere now. I love it, and I love the 125 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: fact that it was able to incorporate the helmet more naturally. 126 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: That was something one of the criticisms with the old 127 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: actor thing is you had a very different type of 128 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 1: helmet with the brown. This is a pretty easy fix, 129 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: I think for Red Batty and his equipment staff to 130 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: basically just get the g off there. But yet it's 131 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: still blends really nicely with the uniform. A really cool look. 132 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: Some amazing photos by Evan siegelan packers dot com right 133 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: now and also Tyler Gyski our video department doing a 134 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: fantastic job with the hype video on it. It's a 135 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: good look. Yeah, you gotta check out all. I think 136 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: it's a really cool look to I. I love it. 137 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: I was hoping that it was going to be something 138 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: of that, uh you know that green with the gold 139 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: accent from the nineteen fifties and the Packers will be 140 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: for those wondering the Packers will be wearing that uniform 141 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: for the home game against Washington this year, which is 142 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: also the game when the newly inducted Hall of Famer 143 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: from the nineteen fifties, Bobby Dylan, will have his name 144 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: added to the lambeau Field facade. So October, I believe 145 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: is the date of the Washington game. So uh wes 146 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: see rious x M. 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The Packers will be 166 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: taking on the Jets following these two joint practices they 167 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: are having this week. A lot of things to watch 168 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: for here West. What's top of the list for you? Well, 169 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: first off, we gotta see what's going on with Jordan's love. 170 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: Matt LaForce said earlier this week that he probably won't 171 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: practice here against the Jets. I'm using my regular season mindset, 172 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: which typically means that that guy is not going to 173 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: play in the game. They're not going that far. They're 174 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: not ruling them out quite yet at the time in 175 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: which we're taping this. But you gotta imagine whatever happens 176 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: with Love, We're going to see a healthy dose of 177 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: Kurt Ben Kurt. And the real reason I'm very intrigued 178 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: about that is so often and you saw it last 179 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: year with Jordan's Love the year before that with Tim Boyle, 180 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: it's really difficult for that number three quarterback to get reps. 181 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: But now in this age where Aaron Rodgers isn't playing 182 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: in the preseason, those guys are able to basically get 183 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: the most amount of work in the preseason games as 184 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: opposed the actual practices. It's a really interesting change that 185 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: sort of happened, and ben Kurt I really liked a 186 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: lot of things he did in that preseason game. He's 187 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: he's got to kind of slow down the mechanism a 188 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: little bit. You know. Obviously there was the fumbled exchange 189 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: and there was the pick, but he plays tenaciously. And 190 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, Mike, if you're number 191 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: three quarterback in this league, you've got to do something 192 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: to get attention. You're not going to be able to 193 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: go out there and just dink and dunk in these 194 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: preseason games and impress anybody. He had. He's shown his arm, 195 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: he's shown his ability to stand tall in the pocket. 196 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: He's not afraid to get hit. As just say. One 197 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: thing we know about Kurt Benkert from what we've seen 198 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: in him so far, is he is fearless. He played. 199 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: He plays the game with no fear, and I think 200 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna see on Saturday. So it starts 201 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: with Ben Kurt. But but let's be real, what's the 202 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: number one storyline this preseason game. It is the guard 203 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: situation because now this week we saw the shift John 204 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: Runyon Jr. At left I left guard excuse me, and 205 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: over at right guard. They're using now Ross, Royce Newman, 206 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: the rookie fourth round pick, Lucas Patrick still right guard 207 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: with the twos and Ben Braden was at left guard 208 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: with the twos. But the thing was earlier this week 209 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: they were flipping those guys. They were basically running like 210 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: two and two with the first team. In the practice 211 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: we saw on Wednesday, it was just running and Newman. 212 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: This is a major opportunity right now for Royce Newman 213 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: to put his name in the hat for that starting gig. Yeah, 214 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: the Packers are going to be looking at that guard 215 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: situation very closely, and particularly with Newman now in that 216 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: competition for a starting guard spot, and they want to 217 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: get that running game going. I know, mostly the preseason 218 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: is about the individual evaluations and individual improvement, but with 219 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: these twos and threes, the backup units. You also want 220 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: to see some collective improvement. And the Packers want to 221 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: be able to run the ball better. They want to 222 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: be able to perform better on special teams. They also 223 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: like to see their run defense. You know, if if 224 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, a guy like t J. Slaton is going 225 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: to play forty plus snaps again, they want to see 226 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: the run defense have more longev than not just the 227 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: first half, but be able to hold up through the 228 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: second half as well. So all of those things um 229 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: here in the mix. But um but I'm with you. 230 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: It's it's it's seeing what happens at that guard spot. 231 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: And I think, honestly, in some respects how the running 232 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: game looks is going to be um uh, certainly a 233 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: significant piece of that evaluation as to how those interior 234 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: guys are doing on the offensive line. The Packers want 235 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: to get this running game going well. And then you 236 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: saw what happened at the end of that game where 237 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: Dexter Williams is able to break off four runs for 238 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: thirty two yards. And and I'm not going to be 239 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: able to break everything down for you and explain all 240 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: those holes happen, but Dexter Williams is a guy that 241 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people started kind of slipped 242 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: off the memory a little bit because we're talking about 243 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: Kylan Hill. Obviously everyone's looking at A. J. Dillon's squads, 244 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: and then you know Patrick Taylor was coming back and 245 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: is a really good story after an entire midseason due 246 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: to the list Frank injury. But then there's Dexter, you know, 247 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: making plays. I mean that that competition going into this 248 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: if you want to call it the third turn here, 249 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: this race, it's down to the wire. I think all 250 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: those guys are making a case for himselves. Kylan Hill 251 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: made maybe the art argubably the biggest play in that 252 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: game with the twenty two yard touched on off the 253 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: screen pass, but only had negative two yards rushing because 254 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: some of the issues early on. So seeing how those 255 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: things fit together is gonna be important. And then also 256 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: I do want to throw this out there as well. Yes, 257 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: it's about who's gonna be left guard, right guard, but 258 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: at some point Elton Jenkins is going to be back 259 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: at left guard, David Batr is gonna be back at 260 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: left tackle that right guard spot, Mike. As much as 261 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: we talk about the guards right now, you've got four 262 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: maybe five guys all competing for that job. And you know, 263 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: the also the versatility with you know, Dennis Kelly plays 264 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: right tackle, b j excuse me, Billy Turner can move inside. 265 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: Just so many different variables here that the Packers are 266 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: trying to work through. Yeah, Unfortunately, in the first joint 267 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: practice with the Jets, we saw Dennis Kelly go down 268 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: with an injury. Unfortunately, we don't really have an update there, 269 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: and not the kind of thing that that you like 270 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: to see, but most likely something that is going to 271 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: hold him out of the preseason game on Saturday at 272 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: a minimum. So we'll see what the Packers decided to 273 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: do at right tackle. And then also Devin Funcius at 274 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: wide receiver had such a really strong preseason debut last 275 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: week against Houston. He comes up kind of holding his 276 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: hamstring after a play on um during Wednesday's practice and 277 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: and again we'll have to we'll have to see what 278 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: happens there. But but not what you want to see 279 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: with with guys leaving with injuries. Another thing to mention too, though. 280 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: One of Matt Lafleur's comments after the previous game on 281 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: Saturday night against Houston was wanting to see stickier coverage 282 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: from the cornerbacks, from these guys who are competing for 283 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: these spots behind JayR Alexander, Kevin King, and Eric Stokes, 284 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: and and how that how that competition evolves. Well, one 285 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: decision was made this week because the Packers decided to 286 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: trade Josh Jackson to the New York Giants for Isaac Yeiedem. 287 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Hopefully I'm saying that correctly, two guys both drafted in 288 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: the two thousand and eighteen draft. Jackson in the second round, 289 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: yea item in the third round, and kind of one 290 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: of these change of scenery things that looks like for 291 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: both players, and you hope it ends up being a 292 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: win win for both teams and for both players. Will 293 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: have to see how it plays out. Because because Ike, 294 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: as he told us, we're we're allowed to call Isaac 295 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: Ike here when he met with the media for the 296 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: first time here in Green Bay, he doesn't have a 297 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: whole lot of time to to land a roster spot here. 298 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: But you know, he's gonna give it everything he's got. 299 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: He's been through this change of scenery thing before. Yes, 300 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised the Ike think didn't take off more 301 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: with the Giants. You know, there's pretty good ikes in 302 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: their history as well. But yeah, I'm gonna start with 303 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson really fast. You had to read about this 304 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: in inbox when you're editing it. It's tough when you're 305 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: a second round pick and you don't necessarily play up 306 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: to that level and the expectations that go along with that. 307 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: The thing I'll keep saying over and over again, and 308 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: I know I took a lot of flak from our 309 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: insider inbox readers for how I defended Josh over the years. Um, 310 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: and I really did see the upside. I mean we 311 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: saw it in practice. I mean last year I started 312 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: to have some doubts and then he comes out and 313 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: I thought he had a really good couple of weeks 314 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: of training camp when they started practicing, and that, ultimately, 315 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: I think probably opened the door to him getting more 316 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: defensive opportunities than he did in two thousand nineteen. But 317 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, it just 318 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: didn't work out for him. Here I keep saying this 319 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: over and over again, I'll say it one more time. 320 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: Jackson is one of the guys I've really enjoyed getting 321 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: to know the last few years, and unfortunately getting a 322 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: chance to see enough of them the last you know, 323 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: one and a half. But and just because something doesn't 324 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: work out professionally, that's not a detriment to the person. 325 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: And Josh Jackson, I hope Packer fans realized that that 326 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: that guy gave everything he had and he earned every 327 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: cent on his paycheck to play for this football team. 328 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: I wish him well. I hope it works out for 329 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: him with the Giants. But moving on to the next chapter, 330 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: the Packers needed to get more and they have to 331 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: solidified starters I believe you could say, and in terms 332 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: of established in the league and in jaire Alexander and 333 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: Kevin King, Chandon's Sullivan has been the slot guy for 334 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: a year and a half and the obviously the first 335 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: round pick and Eric Stokes. But you need more from 336 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: a secondary. You need to build that out and you 337 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: have to you have to believe and I know we're 338 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: not gonna, you know, go pick in the roster anything 339 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: like that, but you have to believe six, if not seven, 340 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: cornerbacks are gonna be on thist three man roster when 341 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: when it's all said and done. So, even as we 342 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: talk about Alexander King, Sullivan and Stokes, who are clearly 343 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: the top four packers are looking for at least two 344 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: or three more to be on the fifty three and 345 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: then potentially even have another reserve or two on the 346 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: expanded practice squad. Yeah, and again we're not cutting the roster. 347 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: But you'd have to think Shamar John Charles is in 348 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: that conversation round draft pick. They're going to give him 349 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: a chance to develop. So then you have your deem. 350 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: You have Kaban Ento who had a fantastic game on 351 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: Saturday night. You have Kadar Holman back from two years ago. 352 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: Oh and then by the way, right back here on 353 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: your back end, you've got like three late round undrafted 354 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: safeties that are making strong bids. You know, Vernon Scott 355 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: has looked good though he has a hamstring flare up 356 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: now in his gains was a January signing that typically 357 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: those guys get under the radar, you never hear about 358 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: them again. And here he is, I thought, putting together 359 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: a really strong training campaign. Guys like that get signed 360 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: in January. As you know, those those future signings. A 361 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: lot of times those guys don't even make it to 362 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: training camp. Like somewhere along the line during spring O 363 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: t A S and the you know, the personnel department's 364 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: churn in the bottom of the roster to get the 365 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: ninety man set for training camp. Some of those future 366 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: guys that are signed in January before the playoffs or 367 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: even over, they don't even make it this far. And 368 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: in his gains is he's he's in the running for 369 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: a spot on the fifty three here, no question. Yeah, 370 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: because it's not just what he's doing on defense. I 371 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: mean he's made some nice plays on special teams as well. 372 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: So yes, you're right when you say you don't know 373 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: how many guys are gonna keep at cornerback. I would 374 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: imagine you know, you've seen them keep as many as 375 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: eleven or twelve defensive backs in this era. Now, between 376 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: cornerback and safety, all those guys are competing with each other. 377 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: And Adrian Names touched on it too when we were 378 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: asking about it after the game this week. Uh, after practice, 379 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: there's there's competition there and there's a lot of guys 380 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: vying for familiar roles and seeing who prevails in that 381 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: I think is gonna have real huge repercussions for this 382 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: defense here in two Yeah, well, there will be a 383 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: lot of film to analyze after these two joint practices, 384 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: followed by the preseason game and then one more preseason 385 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: game the road trip to Buffalo next week. But for now, 386 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: we're going to call it a wrap on this edition 387 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,959 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our 388 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: coverage of training camp and of Saturday's preseason game. We'll 389 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: have it all for you on Packers dot com. For West, 390 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm Mike, thank you for tuning, and everybody, we will 391 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: see you next time.