1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: podcast network. This is the place to be if you're 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: ready for the best podcasts of the paranormal, curious, and 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: sometimes unexplained. Now listen to this. 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host are thoughts 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: and opinions only and do not necessarily reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the proper 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter and 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: your needs. 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: Hi. 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 4: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Albert Einstein 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: once said, there are two ways to live your life. 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 4: One is as if nothing is a miracle. The other 19 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 4: is as if everything is a miracle. For most of us, 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 4: especially in our busy modern world, it can be very 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 4: easy to fall into that first way of thinking. We 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: are taught to believe in what we can see, touch, 23 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 4: and measure. A miracle feels like something from a storybook, 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: a magical event that happens to other people in other times. 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: But what happens when a miracle unfolds right in front 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: of the very people trained to be the most logical, rational, 27 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 4: and evidence based among us. What happens when doctors, surgeons, 28 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: and medical professionals, people who live in a world of biology, chemistry, 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: and hard data, come face to face with something their 30 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: training can never explain. Today, we are going on a 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: journey to the very edge of life seen through the 32 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 4: eyes of physicians. We're going to hear the true, untold 33 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 4: stories from doctors who have witnessed the impossible, profound spiritual experiences, 34 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: divine interventions, and undeniable connections to the afterlife that have 35 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 4: shaken them to their core and changed the way they 36 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: see the world forever. 37 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 5: Now. 38 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 4: These aren't just stories, their testimonies from some of the 39 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: most credible witnesses imaginable. They are accounts that give me goosebumps. 40 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 4: I hope they fill you with hope and perhaps help 41 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 4: you see that the world is far more magical and 42 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 4: miraculous than we were ever led to believe. Let's start 43 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 4: with the story of doctor Scott Colbaba, a physician who 44 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: has been practicing internal METAe for over thirty five years. 45 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: Like most doctors, he is a man of science. He 46 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 4: is trained to look for logical explanations, to diagnose based 47 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: on symptoms, and to treat based on proven medical protocols. 48 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: For years, he didn't talk about the deeper spiritual side 49 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: of life with his colleagues. It just wasn't something doctors did. 50 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 4: But then a strange series of beautiful and unexplainable events 51 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: began to happen, both in his own life and in 52 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: the lives of his patients and fellow doctors, that he 53 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: simply could not ignore. One of these experiences began on 54 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: a perfect family evening in Cape Cod. His whole family 55 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: was gathered, all seven of his children and his nine grandkids. 56 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: It was one of those rare, beautiful moments of connection. 57 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 4: As they were preparing dinner, they started talking about pies, 58 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: which led them to fondly remember his mother, who had 59 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 4: passed away. She used to make the most delicious rhubarb pie, 60 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: a family favorite. They all shared a moment of sadness, 61 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: wishing she could be there with them, and remarked that 62 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 4: if she were, she would have certainly made them one 63 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 4: of her famous rhubarb pies. Later that evening, after a 64 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: wonderful dinner, it was time for dessert, his wife served 65 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: the cherry pie they had bought from a local store. 66 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 4: Doctor Colbaba took his first bite and in that instant 67 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 4: goosebumps shut up and down his spine. The pie wasn't cherry, 68 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 4: it was rhubarb. Now, one could easily dismiss this a 69 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 4: simple mix up at the bakery, a rhubarb pie accidentally 70 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: placed in a cherry pie box, a coincidence, you might say, 71 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: But for doctor Colbaba and his family, in that moment 72 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 4: of deep love and remembrance, it felt like much more. 73 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 4: It was a gentle, loving calling card from his mother, 74 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: a little mirror to let them know that she was 75 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 4: right there with them, sharing in their perfect family evening. 76 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: This small personal event opened doctor Coleboba's mind and started 77 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 4: him on a quest. He began to wonder, do other 78 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 4: doctors have stories like this? He started asking his colleagues, 79 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 4: and he was stunned by what he discovered. These logical, 80 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 4: scientific men and women were holding on too incredible secret 81 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 4: stories of their own. One of the first stories he 82 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: heard was from his friend, doctor Steve Him, an orthopedic 83 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 4: trauma surgeon. Doctor Him is a man who deals with 84 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: life and death situations, a man of action and precision. 85 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 4: He was on a ski trip in Colorado with his 86 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: wife and sister in law. They were on a remote 87 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: mountain back when a sudden, violent blizzard hit. The temperature 88 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: plummeted and the snow was coming down so hard they 89 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: could barely see in front of them. As they skied 90 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 4: down the mountain, they came to a patch of trees 91 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: and had to decide whether to go to the left 92 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 4: or go to the right. Doctor Him went right, expecting 93 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 4: the others to follow, but they went left. He realized 94 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 4: he had to cut back through the trees to find them. 95 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 4: As he was skiing through the deep, powdery snow, he 96 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: was suddenly overcome with an incredible, powerful feeling, an inner 97 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: voice or intuition that told him something was seriously wrong 98 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: and that he was being called to do something. The 99 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 4: feeling was so strong that he stopped skiing in the 100 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 4: middle of the raging blizzard. Everything suddenly became quiet. It 101 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: was an eerie, profound silence. For no logical reason, he 102 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: took off his skis and started climbing back up the 103 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 4: mountain in the opposite direction of where his wife was waiting. 104 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 4: He just felt this undeniable pull. He climbed for about 105 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 4: one hundred feet until he came to a large pine 106 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 4: tree with a deep snow well around its base. And 107 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 4: as he looked down into that well, he suddenly understood 108 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: why he was there. Half buried under the snow was 109 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: a body. It was a man, his face gray, not 110 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 4: looking like he was breathing. Doctor Him, the trauma surgeon, 111 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: immediately switched into action. He brushed the snow off the 112 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: man's face and checked for a pulse. He had one. 113 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: The man was alive. Doctor Him covered the unconscious skier 114 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 4: with his own jackets, stabilized him, and started shouting for help. 115 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 4: By a stroke of luck or perhaps another miracle, one 116 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: of the last skiers on the mountain heard his calls 117 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: and came to help, skiing down to the lodge to 118 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: call the ski patrol. Twenty minutes la later, the rescue 119 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 4: team arrived and took the man to the hospital. The 120 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 4: next day, Doctor Him called and found out the skier 121 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: was alive and would be okay. When doctor him shared 122 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: this story with Doctor Colbaba, he said, if you don't 123 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: believe that there's something else out there that looks after us, 124 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: that loves us, I don't know what you believe for 125 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 4: this man of science, this surgeon. The series of events, 126 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: the overwhelming feeling, the eerie silence, the illogical urge to 127 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: climb the mountain, and being the perfect person in the 128 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: perfect place at the perfect time was undeniable proof of 129 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: a divine intervention. It was a miracle on a snowy 130 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: mountain that changed his perspective forever. This theme of being 131 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 4: in the right place at the right time, guided by 132 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 4: someone or something beyond our understanding, is so powerful. But 133 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: sometimes the miracle isn't about a rescue. It's about the 134 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: evidence brought back from the other side, proved so clear 135 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 4: it leaves a doctor speechless. Doctor Colbaba shared another story 136 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: told to him by a colleague, an orthopedic surgeon named 137 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: doctor Dave Mokel. They had a mutual patient named Mary. 138 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: Now before her experience, Mary was, in the kindest of terms, 139 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 4: a bit of a kerm mudgeon. She was not a 140 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 4: particularly happy or easygoing person. During an ankle surgery, something 141 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: went terribly wrong. Mary had a severe allergic reaction to 142 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 4: an antibiotic, and she arrested right there on the operating table. 143 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: Her heart stopped, she stopped breathing, her eyes were closed. 144 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: She was, by all medical definitions, clinically dead. The operating 145 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: room exploded into controlled chaos as the team began CPR 146 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 4: as his standard during a code. Staff from other operating 147 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: rooms were rushed in to help. One of the first 148 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 4: people to arrive was a man with shockingly bright red 149 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: hair under his surgical cap, and he immediately began chest compressions. 150 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 4: Doctor Mokel, who was leading the code, checked for a pulse, 151 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: but there was none. The man wasn't performing the CPR 152 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 4: effectively enough. Doctor Mokel ordered the man to step aside 153 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 4: so he could take over, but the man didn't move. 154 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: In the heat of a life and death situation, there's 155 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: no time for debate, doctor Mokel physically pushed the man 156 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 4: aside and took over the compressions himself. Soon after, they 157 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 4: were able to get a pulse, Mary's heart started again 158 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 4: and she was stabilized. She was moved to the intensive 159 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: care unit to recover, still unconscious, a few days later, 160 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 4: as doctor Mochl was giving Mary her discharge instructions, she 161 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 4: looked at him and said, thank you for saving my life. 162 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 4: Doctor Mokel, being a humble man, said it was a 163 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 4: team effort, but Mary shook her head no, She said, 164 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 4: I saw you. You saved my life. Doctor Mochl was 165 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 4: taken aback. Then Mary delivered the words that made him 166 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 4: feel weak in the knees. She said, I saw the 167 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 4: person with the red hair doing CPR, and then I 168 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 4: saw you push him away. The doctor was stunned. Mary 169 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 4: had been unconscious, eyes closed, clinically dead. How could she 170 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 4: possibly know that? He sat down? As she continued to 171 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: recount other specific details from the code, she explained that 172 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 4: when she arrested, she had floated up to the top 173 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: of the room. From this out of body perspective, she 174 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 4: watched the entire code unfold below her. The experience completely 175 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: transformed her. Mary the Kurmudget was gone for the rest 176 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 4: of her life. She was one of the kindest, warmest, 177 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: and most joyful people you could ever meet. For doctor Michel, 178 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 4: there was no scientific explanation. He had witnessed a miracle, 179 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 4: not just of survival, but the undeniable proof that his 180 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: patient was aware watching from above, even after her body 181 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 4: had died. These are the kinds of stories that are 182 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 4: happening all around us, often in the very places we 183 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: think of as the most sterile and scientific. They are 184 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: the quiet miracles that unfold in hospital rooms and at 185 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 4: the bedside of the dying, reminding us that there is 186 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 4: so much more to life and death than what our 187 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 4: medicine can measure. It's time for our first break, and 188 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 4: when we get back, we're going to hear more medical 189 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 4: stories and more miracles. 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All the 208 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: info is waiting for you now at coastocostam dot com. 209 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: That's coastocoastam dot com. 210 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 211 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 4: In our last segment together, we heard how a simple 212 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,119 Speaker 4: personal experience or a dramatic rescue can open a doctor's 213 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 4: mind to the possibility of a much greater reality. But 214 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: often the most profound evidence is not witnessed in moments 215 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: of hydra Mamma, but in the quiet, sacred space near 216 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 4: the end of life. Our loved ones who have passed 217 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 4: are not distant memories. They are actually active participants in 218 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: our lives, and never more so than when it is 219 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 4: our time to go home. They come to comfort, to guide, 220 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 4: and to reassure us that we are certainly not alone. 221 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 4: And sometimes their presence is so powerful it saves a life. 222 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 4: Doctor Scott Colbaba shared a beautiful story about a fellow doctor, 223 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 4: a gynecologist, whose wife Joan, had a powerful deathbed visitation 224 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 4: from her grandmother twenty two years after her grandmother had 225 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 4: already passed. Joan was in the hospital having just delivered 226 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 4: her fifth child. In those days, a common anesthetic used 227 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: after delivery was something called triling, administered through a mask. 228 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 4: As the nurse was preparing to give Joan the anesthetic 229 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 4: to ease her pain, Joan suddenly saw her Grandma Hamlin 230 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 4: appear at the foot of her bed. Grandma Hamlin was 231 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: as real as anyone in the room. She was dressed 232 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: in her typical little blue polka dot dress, her white 233 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: hair up in a bun, wearing her familiar grandmother's shoes. 234 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: She stood there and shook her head a clear, firm no. 235 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: She communicated to Joan that she should not use the triline. 236 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: Trusting this vision, Joan pushed the mask away, telling the 237 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: surprised nurse, no, I'll put up with the pain. Just 238 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: a minute or so later, Joan suddenly became sick and 239 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 4: vomited up the large meal she had eaten right before 240 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 4: the delivery. If she had been unconscious under this anesthetic, 241 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 4: she would have aspirated and could have easily died. Joan 242 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: said that in that moment, she felt she had made 243 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 4: it to Grandma Hamlin's lap one last time, a loving 244 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 4: presence reaching across time and eternity to protect her. A 245 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 4: grandmother who had been gone for twenty two years was 246 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,719 Speaker 4: still on the job watching over her family. This phenomena, 247 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 4: known as deathbed visitations, is one of the most common 248 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 4: and most comforting experiences reported at the end of life. 249 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 4: It's a sacred time when the veil between the worlds 250 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: becomes so thin it's practically nonexistent. Doctor Christopher Kerr, a 251 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 4: hospice and palliative care physician in Buffalo, New York, has 252 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 4: dedicated his career to studying these moments. For years. He 253 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: was a young, confident doctor who dismissed these stories as hallucinations. 254 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 4: He recalls being corrected by an experienced hospice nurse named 255 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 4: Nancy when he suggest more aggressive treatment for a dying patient. 256 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 4: Nancy simply said, too late, he's dying. He's been dreaming 257 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 4: about his dead mother. The young doctor Kerr thought that 258 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,239 Speaker 4: sounded crazy. Nancy's wise reply set the course for his 259 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 4: entire life's work. She told him, son, you must have 260 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 4: missed a lot of classes. After that moment, doctor Kerr 261 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 4: started to listen. He and his team have now documented 262 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 4: over fifteen hundred end of life events, many of them videotaped. 263 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 4: What he discovered is that these are not random dreams. 264 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: As people get closer to death, they stop dreaming about 265 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 4: everyday worries and start dreaming with incredible reality about the 266 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: people they have loved and lost. These dreams are described 267 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 4: as being more real than real. A dying person is 268 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 4: not just remembering they're loved ones, they are actually with them, 269 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 4: being comforted, reassured, and prepared for their journey. In his 270 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: book Death Is But a Dream, Doctor Kerr shares the 271 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 4: story of a ninety one year old woman named Anne. 272 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: When she was admitted to hospice. She was having such 273 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 4: clear visions of her long deceased sister, Emily, that she 274 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 4: would wake up and ask the nurses where is Emily. 275 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 4: To Anne, her sister's presence was just as real as 276 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 4: the doctors and nurses in the room. She describes seeing 277 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 4: a younger, healthier Emily going about her day in the room. 278 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: Wearing a familiar pea green dress, her hair up in 279 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 4: a loose bun, Anne would even stretch her arms out 280 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 4: to the ceiling, as if to embrace someone only she 281 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 4: could see. She told her family with absolute certainty, I'm 282 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 4: not going alone. Emily will be with me. And these 283 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: comforting visits are not limited to people. Doctor Kerr's research 284 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 4: found that unlost pets are one of the most common 285 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 4: and joyful visitors at the end of life. He tells 286 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 4: the story of a woman who, in her final days, 287 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 4: found profound comfort from the presence of all the pets 288 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 4: she had ever loved, who she said were cuddling with 289 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 4: her in her hospital bed. Doctor Kerr shares the unforgettable 290 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 4: story of a patient named Dwayne, a man who had 291 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 4: lived a very hard life on the street. He had 292 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 4: hurt many people and spent much time in prison. Near 293 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 4: the end, Dwayne was weeping, telling the nurses that he 294 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 4: had been a sick and terrible person. But then something 295 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: remarkable happened. In his end of life dreams. He was 296 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 4: able to find a sense of peace and self forgiveness. 297 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 4: This allowed him to be a good father in his 298 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: final days, giving a sense of peace and comfort to 299 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 4: his daughter, who had suffered so much. One of the 300 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: most powerful stories is that of John, a World War 301 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: II veteran who had survived the horrors of Omaha Beach. 302 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 4: For his entire life, he suffered from severe PTSD, never 303 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 4: speaking about the trauma, but screaming in the night from nightmares. 304 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 4: In his final weeks in hospice, these nightmares returned with 305 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: a vengeance. He would cry out, reliving the terror, seeing 306 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 4: floating limbs and bloody water and dead soldiers all around him. 307 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: He couldn't rest, But then the dreams changed. One day, 308 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: he had a dream where he relived the single best 309 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 4: day of his life, the day he got his discharge 310 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 4: papers from the army. After that, he had one final 311 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 4: healing dream. He was back on the beach, but it 312 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 4: was peaceful. A soldier he didn't know walked up to 313 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 4: him and simply said, now we're going to come and 314 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 4: get you. That sense that he had abandon and his friends, 315 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 4: the survivor's guilt he had carried for a lifetime had 316 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 4: finally come full circle. His friends were coming for him. 317 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 4: After that dream, John found peace, He slept, and he 318 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 4: died peacefully. Soon after that story, shows the profound healing 319 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 4: that can happen at the end of life. But what 320 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 4: about those who are unconscious in a deep coma? Can 321 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: they hear us? Do they know we're there? The next 322 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 4: story from doctor Scott Coleboba's collection gives us a stunning 323 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: and hopeful answer. This is a story about two doctors 324 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 4: who were the best of friends, doctor John Massett and 325 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 4: doctor Bob Cornell. Their greatest bond outside of medicine was 326 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: their love of fishing. Every morning they would meet in 327 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 4: the doctor's lounge over coffee and donuts and trade fishing stories. 328 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 4: One morning, Bob didn't show up. Doctor Massett soon learned 329 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 4: the devastating news his friend had suffered a massive stroke 330 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 4: and was in a deep coma in the ICU. The 331 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 4: specialists believed he was essentially brain dead and would never 332 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 4: wake up. They told John they would wait for three days, 333 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 4: but if there was no change, they would remove life support. 334 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 4: Doctor Massette was heartbroken and felt completely helpless. He was 335 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 4: being taken care of medically, but John felt an overwhelming 336 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 4: urge to do something more. He felt he needed to 337 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 4: talk to his friend. Feeling a bit self conscious, he 338 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 4: looked around to make sure there was no one in 339 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 4: the little cubicle in the ICU. He pulled his chair 340 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 4: right up to Bob's bedside. Bob was completely unresponsive. John 341 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 4: started talking to him, and he did the one thing 342 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 4: that connected them the most. He told him a fishing story. 343 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 4: He told Bob a story he had never shared before, 344 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 4: about an incredible trip to the Mackenzie River in Canada. 345 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 4: He described the crystal clear water, the thrill of flying in, 346 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: and how the river was so full of fish they 347 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 4: were practically jumping onto the hook. He told Bob how 348 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 4: his arms were sore by the end of the day 349 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: from reeling in so many beautiful grayling Each day, he 350 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 4: came back and told his friend another part of the story, 351 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 4: speaking into the silence, hoping on some level his words 352 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: were getting through. On the third day, John went to 353 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 4: the ICU with a heavy heart, knowing it was the 354 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: day they were going to let Bob go. When he arrived, 355 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 4: his friend's room was empty, the bed was stripped, the 356 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 4: light was off. He thought his friend had died during 357 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 4: the night. He found the nurse and asked, when did 358 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 4: Bob die. The nurse started to laugh, which at first 359 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: really upset John, until she explained she said, he woke 360 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 4: up yesterday. He's doing so well. He's already been moved 361 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: down to the step down unit. He's going to be fine. 362 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 4: John was thrilled. A few weeks later, after Bob had 363 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 4: been through rehabilitation, the two friends finally met again in 364 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 4: their old spot, the doctor's lounge. Bob's speech was slow 365 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 4: and stuttered from the stroke, but his words were crystal clear. 366 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: He looked at John and said, John, thank you. You 367 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: were the only person who talked with me. He continued, 368 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 4: I love this story about the Grayling and the Mackenzie River. 369 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 4: That was one you've never told me before. I looked 370 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 4: forward to you coming every day to tell me those stories. 371 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 4: John was overcome with emotion. He wondered if his stories, 372 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 4: his connection, had given his friend a reason to stay, 373 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 4: a reason to fight his way back. We'll never know 374 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 4: for sure, but we do know this, Doctor Bob Cornell, 375 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 4: a man in a deep coma with no signs of awareness, 376 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 4: heard every single word. His story is a powerful testament 377 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: that we should never ever stop talking to our loved ones. 378 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: No matter what side of life they are on, they 379 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 4: can hear us, They know we are there, and our 380 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 4: love is a powerful anchor to this life. These stories 381 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 4: show us that dying is not a passive process of 382 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: shutting down. As doctor Kerr says, because you're dying does 383 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: not mean you've stopped living. It is an intensely active 384 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 4: and meaningful final chapter of life, a time of profound, 385 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 4: emotional and spiritual work. It is a journey of transcendence 386 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 4: where the love of our family and friends, and even 387 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: pets and spirit come to light our way home. Time 388 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 4: for our break and we'll be right back. You're listening 389 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 4: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 390 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 391 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 5: Stay there, Sandra will be right back. Hey, the Coast 392 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 5: to Coast a channel jasam dot com for more information. 393 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: Hey, this is George Nori and you're listening to the 394 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost dam Paranormal Podcast Network. Thanks 395 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: for being here. Now let's get back to more with Sandra. 396 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 397 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 4: Let's continue where life and the afterlife often meet in 398 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 4: the hospital room. This is the frontline, the place where 399 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: science and spirit collide and where doctors are most trusted 400 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 4: figures of logic and reason, and sometimes witness things that 401 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 4: defy every page of their medical textbooks. These stories are 402 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 4: particularly powerful because they are not just accounts from the 403 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 4: experiencers themselves. They are told by the physicians who were there, 404 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 4: the ones who saw the charts, who ran the tests, 405 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 4: and who were left with the undeniable proof that something 406 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 4: incredible was happening. Let's begin with this story from doctor 407 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 4: Scott Coleboba's collection a patient he called Cleveland. Cleveland was 408 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 4: an older gentleman who was rushed to the emergency room 409 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 4: after a severe hemorrhage at home. He had no blood pressure, 410 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 4: no pulse, he was completely unconscious. The scene in the 411 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 4: emergency room was a bloody mess as the team frantically 412 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 4: worked to save his life, squeezing six units of blood 413 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 4: into him as fast as they could. Hours later, after 414 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 4: being stabilized, Cleveland woke up. The very first thing he 415 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: said to the er doctor was I love that beautiful 416 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 4: music he played in the emergency room. He described hearing 417 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 4: the most beautiful, otherworldly music with instruments he had never 418 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 4: heard before. The doctor was confused and said, Cleveland, we 419 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 4: don't play music in the emergency room. Cleveland went on 420 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 4: to explain that when he heard the music, he was 421 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: in a special, beautiful white room and felt a profound 422 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 4: sense of peace and warmth. He had wanted to stay there. 423 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 4: The er doctor, a man of science, was left with 424 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 4: a conclusion that his medical training could never have prepared 425 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 4: him for his patient, while clinically dead on the table, 426 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 4: had been somewhere else. He had been in a place 427 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: of music and light. He had been in heavenation. That 428 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 4: consciousness can experience beauty even when the beauty is in 429 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 4: crisis is a recurring theme. But what about healing? Can 430 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 4: a miracle happen right before a doctor's eyes? Doctor Colbaba 431 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 4: shared another story that gives me goosebumps every time I 432 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 4: think about it. It's the story of a woman named 433 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 4: Barbara who had been battling multiple sclerosis for years. Her 434 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: condition had become progressively worse. She had trouble seeing. She 435 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: had a tracheotomy tube in her throat to help her breathe. 436 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 4: Her diaphragm was paralyzed, and she had to wear braces 437 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 4: on her legs because she could no longer walk. Her 438 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 4: lungs were constantly getting infected. Her doctor, doctor Marshall, determined 439 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 4: it was time for hospice. He certified that she had 440 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 4: less than six months to live. Her pastor came to 441 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 4: see her for what he believed would be the last time. 442 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 4: She was not expected to live more than a week 443 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: or two. During this time, a local Christian radio show 444 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: heard about Barbara's story and put out a call for prayers. 445 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 4: Thousands of people from all over responded, sending letters of 446 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 4: hope and prayer to her. One day, Barbara's aunt arrived 447 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 4: with a huge bag of these letters. As she was 448 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 4: visiting along with a couple of other people from the church, 449 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 4: Barbara suddenly heard something that no one else in the 450 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 4: room heard. It was a calm, clear voice that said, 451 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 4: my daughter, get up and walk. The command was so powerful, 452 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 4: so real, that Barbara immediately responded. She moved to the 453 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 4: edge of her bed, stood up, took off her leg braces, 454 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 4: removed her oxygen, and started to walk. She then walked 455 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 4: into the living room where her parents were sitting. They 456 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 4: were in total shock. The physical therapist who was there 457 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: couldn't believe her eyes and repeatedly said, you can't do that, 458 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 4: You can't do that, But Barbara could. She then began 459 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 4: to dance, performing a beautiful ballet for her stunned family. 460 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 4: The next night, she walked down the center aisle of 461 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 4: her church. The entire congregation, who knew she had been 462 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 4: at death's door, spontaneously broke out into a chorus of 463 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 4: amazing grace. The next day she went to see her doctor. 464 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 4: They removed her tubes. The multiple sclerosis, the illness that 465 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 4: had crippled her and brought her to the brink of death, 466 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 4: was completely gone. She was totally cured. Barbara went on 467 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 4: to live another twenty five years, marrying a pastor and 468 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 4: dedicating her life to helping others. It was a true, 469 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 4: medically documented miracle, sparked by the power of prayer and 470 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 4: a voice from beyond the veil. These stories of profound 471 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 4: tree transformation and healing are so important, and they aren't 472 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 4: just happening in operating rooms with near death experiences. Hospice 473 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 4: doctor Christopher Kerr has documented how the same healing and 474 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 4: connection happens in the dreams of his patients again just 475 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 4: in their final days and weeks. In his book Death 476 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 4: Is But a Dream, Doctor Kerr shares the story of 477 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 4: a patient named Frank. Frank was in his nineties, a 478 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 4: man of sharp wit and a lifelong encyclopedic knowledge of baseball. 479 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 4: He could recount stats, players and games from the very 480 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 4: beginning of the professional leagues. His passion for the sport 481 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 4: had sustained him his entire life. Yet, despite his sharp mind, 482 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 4: as Frank got closer to passing, his room became crowded 483 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 4: with deceased relatives that only he could see. At one point, 484 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 4: he became very agitated and called for the exclaiming, I 485 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 4: can't sleep. Look, Doc, it's been great to see my 486 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 4: uncle Harry, but I wish he'd shut up. Uncle Harry, 487 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 4: it turned out had been dead for forty six years. 488 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 4: This shows how real these experiences are. They're not vague dreams. 489 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 4: They have the texture and annoyance of real life. Three 490 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 4: days before he passed, Frank was slipping in and out 491 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 4: of consciousness when he suddenly cried out in wonder, I 492 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 4: am in nineteen twenty seven? I am a boy? How 493 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 4: did they do that? His end of life visions were 494 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 4: so vivid that his logical mind was trying to figure 495 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 4: out the magic trick that was allowing him to time travel. 496 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 4: He was living with a foot in two worlds over time. 497 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 4: Frank's inner world experiences returned him to what he treasured most, 498 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 4: the love of his life, his wife Ruthie, who had 499 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 4: already passed away. The more he dreamt of her, the 500 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 4: more he felt her presence, and the more peaceful he became. 501 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 4: He finally requested that all medical treatment be discontinued. He 502 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 4: wanted to join Ruthie in heaven. He died with the 503 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 4: peace and integrity of a life fully remembered and beautifully completed, 504 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 4: with his wife Ruthie waiting for him. Sometimes these end 505 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 4: of life dreams provide a freedom that the person never 506 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 4: experienced in their earthly life. Doctor Kerr tells the story 507 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 4: of a patient named Doris. Doris had a very tough 508 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 4: childhood and had never experienced much love or freedom. Her 509 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 4: life had been one of hardship and limitation, but in 510 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 4: her end of life dreams, she was finally free. She 511 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 4: had incredible dreams of flying through the air, soaring above 512 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 4: crowds and buildings, completely unimpeded and without fear. She said 513 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 4: it was one of the most exhilarating feelings she had 514 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 4: ever experienced. It made her feel so empowered, like a superhero, 515 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 4: she said. She even said to the people in her dream, 516 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 4: all you have to do is have faith the size 517 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 4: of a mustard seed, and you can fly too. That 518 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 4: story of Doris finding freedom is beautiful, and these connections 519 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 4: aren't always about grand visions. Sometimes they're a deeply personal, 520 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 4: quiet moment that are just as powerful and just as real. 521 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 4: Take this story of Pam, a hospice social worker. She 522 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 4: was caring for a patient named Paul, an interesting, an 523 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 4: accomplished man who was facing his cancer diagnosis with incredible grace. 524 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 4: Paul was a man who loved life. He loved driving 525 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 4: his sports car and spending time with his wife. Pam 526 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 4: developed a unique and special connection with him during her 527 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 4: time in hospice. Pam had witnessed many patients see and 528 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 4: converse with their deceased life, but with Paul, something different happened. 529 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 4: For reasons she couldn't explain, she began to associate a 530 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 4: specific song with him, Eric Clapton's Tears in Heaven, especially 531 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 4: the line will I See You in Heaven. She had 532 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 4: never connected a song to a patient like that before. Eventually, 533 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 4: Paul's health declined and he was moved into the impatient 534 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 4: hospice house. On a Friday, before leaving for the weekend, 535 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 4: Pam went to visit him. He was alert, and for 536 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 4: the very first time, he asked her for a hug 537 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 4: and kiss. She knew in her heart it might be 538 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 4: their final goodbye. Early on that Sunday morning, Pam was 539 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 4: jolted awake from a peaceful sleep. Eric Clapton's Tears in 540 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 4: Heaven was playing loudly and clearly inside her mind. This 541 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 4: wasn't a vague memory. It was as if the radio 542 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 4: had been switched on, but in her her head. Along 543 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 4: with the song, she felt an overwhelming sense of peace 544 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 4: wash over her, a profound comfort unlike anything she had 545 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 4: ever known. In that instant, she knew with absolute certainty 546 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 4: that Paul had passed. She noted the time and peacefully 547 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 4: went back to sleep. When she went back into the 548 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 4: hospice on Monday morning, she asked the team what time 549 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 4: did Paul pass away. The time of death they gave 550 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 4: her was within the hour that she had woken up 551 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 4: with that song playing in her mind. This experience never 552 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 4: happened to her before or since. That moment with Paul. 553 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 4: She was left to wonder was it Paul saying goodbye? 554 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 4: Was he letting her know he had found peace, or 555 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 4: was it his way of answering that question from the 556 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 4: song see You Did See Me in Heaven. It was 557 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 4: a beautiful, personal and evidential moment, a shared experience across 558 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 4: the veil by another caring professional the exact time of 559 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 4: her patients passing. Here's a bit of trivia. Did you 560 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 4: know that? According to doctor Christopher Kerr's research, end of 561 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 4: life dreams are almost always comforting. He found that while 562 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 4: only six percent of patients had a distressing dream, even 563 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 4: those dreams led to a healing and a sense of 564 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 4: resolution before they passed. And did you know that You 565 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 4: don't have to be dying to have a glimpse of 566 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 4: the other side. What's called a shared death experience is 567 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 4: a phenomena or a healthy person sitting at the bedside 568 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 4: of a dying loved one can feel or see a 569 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 4: part of their loved one's transition, like seeing a mist 570 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 4: leave the body, or even accompanying them part way on 571 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 4: their journey into the light. 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I'm Sandra Champlain. 599 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 4: We've heard incredible stories today from surgeons and hospice doctors 600 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 4: and a hospice nurse. But the evidence for the afterlife 601 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 4: doesn't just come from the world of medicine. It also 602 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 4: comes from the world of hard science, from a man 603 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 4: who understood the laws of physics and engineering. This is 604 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 4: the story of doctor Allan Hugenot. Doctor Hugenot holds a 605 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 4: doctorate of Science and mechanical engineering and is a nationally 606 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,720 Speaker 4: recognized expert in physics. His life was built on logic, mathematics, 607 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 4: and the predictable material world. Then, in nineteen seventy, long 608 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 4: before near death experiences or a common topic, his logical 609 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 4: world was completely shattered. He was a young college physics 610 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 4: major riding his bicycle home from work when a car 611 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 4: turned directly in front of him. The impact was catastrophic. 612 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 4: He suffered a shattered femur, a broken wrist and elbow, 613 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 4: and severe head trauma that left him in a coma 614 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 4: for twelve hours. While his body lay broken in a 615 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 4: hospital bed, his consciousness went on the most real journey 616 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 4: of his life. He remembers going directly to a brilliant, 617 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 4: beautiful light. He didn't see a tunnel on the way there, 618 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 4: but he remembers the journey back. He described it as 619 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 4: if he was coming through flames or sparklers, a powerful, 620 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 4: energetic return into the dense physical world. He remembers slamming 621 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 4: back into his body, a body now filled with excruciating 622 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 4: pain that was much more than just his injuries. It 623 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 4: was the pain of physical existence itself. After being in 624 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 4: a place of pure, painless spirit, he described how every 625 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 4: sensation in our world is a form of pressure, and 626 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 4: after the freedom of spirit, returning to a body felt thick, dense, 627 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 4: and awful. In the light, he felt a sense of 628 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 4: being home, a feeling of knowing and being known that 629 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 4: was one thousand years deep. But back in his body, 630 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 4: he was just a patient and a h hospital bed. 631 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 4: When he tried to explain what had happened to the 632 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 4: hospital psychiatrist that he had died and gone to the light, 633 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 4: he was met with total disbelief. In the nineteen seventies, 634 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 4: there was no framework for this, they told him he 635 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 4: was delusional. They wanted to have him committed to a 636 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 4: psychiatric facility. In a dramatic turn of events, his orthopedic 637 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 4: surgeon discharged him five days early, wheeling him out the 638 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,399 Speaker 4: back door via a freight elevator, just to get him 639 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 4: away from the psychiatrists. As doctor Huguenot says, in those days, 640 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 4: they wanted to put me in a nuthouse. Now they 641 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 4: pay me to speak. His experience gave him a unique perspective. 642 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 4: He spent his career working with the concrete laws of 643 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 4: Newtonian physics, all the while knowing that a much bigger, 644 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,720 Speaker 4: more profound reality existed just beyond our senses. He likens 645 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 4: it to talking with skeptics about Mexico. He says, I've 646 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 4: been to Mexico. You haven't, so you claim Mexico is 647 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 4: not there. Why don't you come along with me and 648 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 4: we can discover Mexico together. And what did he learn 649 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 4: in this other country? He learned that the universe is 650 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 4: far more vast and conscious than mainstream science admits. He 651 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 4: points out that scientists now say that everything we can see, 652 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 4: all the stars, planets, and galaxies, make up only four 653 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 4: percent of the universe. The other ninety six percent is 654 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 4: made of dark matter and dark energy, which is really 655 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 4: just a fancy way of saying we have absolutely no 656 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 4: idea what it is. Yet, as he notes, some of 657 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 4: these same scientists will say with absolute certainty that there 658 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 4: is no afterlife. How can you be so sure of 659 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 4: what's not in that six percent of reality you admit 660 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 4: you can't see. Doctor Huguenot explains that the problem lies 661 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 4: with an outdated belief system called materialism, which insists that 662 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 4: only the physical world is real. He argues that this 663 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 4: isn't even supported by modern science. The very founders of 664 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 4: quantum physics, scientists like Max Planck, believe that consciousness was fundamental, 665 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 4: that mind is the matrix of matter. He often explains 666 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 4: the famous double slit experiment, which proves that particles at 667 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 4: the quantum level only behave like solid matter when a 668 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 4: conscious mind is observing them, Otherwise they remain in a 669 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 4: state of pure potential, a wave of possibility. The experiment 670 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 4: even shows that a particle knows it's being watched and 671 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 4: changes its behavior retroactively backwards in time. This proves, he says, 672 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 4: that the universe is conscious and responds to our intentions. 673 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 4: If a tiny photon is conscious, he argues, then we 674 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 4: must live in a conscious universe. Doctor Huguenot's personal journey 675 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 4: didn't end with his near death experience. When he came back, 676 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 4: he was incredibly empathic, able to feel what everyone in 677 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 4: a room was thinking and feeling. It was overwhelming for him, 678 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 4: so for years he learned to shut it down. But 679 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 4: as he neared retirement, he decided it was time to 680 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 4: explore these abilities. He began to study mediumship, first through 681 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 4: a correspondence course, and then he studied at the renowned 682 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 4: Arthur Finley College in England. He applied his scientific mind 683 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 4: to the process, demanding evidence. He now works as a 684 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 4: research medium with top scientists like doctor Gary Schwartz at 685 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 4: the University of Arizona, testing these abilities under strict laboratory conditions. 686 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 4: He shared one incredible story from a triple blind study. 687 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 4: He was in a shielded room giving five minute readings 688 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 4: to employees. He had never met one sitter, A woman 689 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 4: named Mary Franklin, came in. He immediately connected with her grandmother, 690 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 4: who had died before Mary was born. He got the 691 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,919 Speaker 4: name Mary, but then struggled to say May, May, May. 692 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,439 Speaker 4: He couldn't quite get the name out. The spirit then 693 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 4: gave him the middle name Adelaide. He didn't know that 694 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 4: Mary Franklin had been named after this very grandmother, But 695 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 4: what about the May May May. Three weeks later, Mary's 696 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 4: cousin found an old photograph and on the back it 697 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 4: said Mary Adelaide nicknamed Maymy. The information he was struggling 698 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 4: to say was the grandmother's unique nickname, a detail no 699 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,479 Speaker 4: one in the room, not even Mary herself, had known. 700 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 4: He hadn't read anybody's mind. It connected with a consciousness 701 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 4: that held the truth. Doctor Alan Hugenot's life is a 702 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 4: testament to the fact that science and spirituality are not enemies. 703 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 4: They are two different languages trying to describe the same 704 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,399 Speaker 4: magnificent conscious universe. His journey from a man of pure 705 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 4: physics to a man of profound spiritual evidence shows us 706 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 4: that the greatest truths are found when we have the 707 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 4: courage to explore beyond the limits of what we think 708 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 4: we know. Doctor Hugenot's scientific foundation is what makes his 709 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 4: work with the Soul Phone Foundation so compelling. Working with 710 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 4: doctor Gary Schwartz at the University of Arizona, the goal 711 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 4: is to create technology that will allow for direct, real 712 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 4: time communication with those in the afterlife, and according to 713 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 4: doctor Hugueno, the science is already here. He explained that 714 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,200 Speaker 4: the first step, what they call the soul switch, has 715 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 4: already proven technology. It can detect the presence of a 716 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,359 Speaker 4: spirit and allow for clear yes or no answer, which 717 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,800 Speaker 4: can be used to answer any question. The next step, 718 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 4: which he believes may be within the next five or 719 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,760 Speaker 4: ten years, is texting. Imagine texting your deceased loved ones 720 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,359 Speaker 4: and getting a text message back. He says this technology 721 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 4: exists and they are actively working on it with guidance 722 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,800 Speaker 4: from scientists on the other side. In ten to twenty 723 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 4: years from now, he envisions video communication. He described being 724 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 4: able to sit in especially shielded booth and you see 725 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 4: a full holographic image of your loved one materialize in 726 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,080 Speaker 4: front of you, speaking with their own voice, wearing clothes. 727 00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 4: You remember when you ask how this is poss he explains, 728 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 4: it's about understanding frequencies Our loved ones exist in a 729 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 4: vibration that he calls the far ultraviolet, a frequency our 730 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 4: physical eyes can't see, just like we can't see infrared. 731 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 4: The technology they are developing is essentially a camera that 732 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 4: can see in that far ultraviolet range and translated into 733 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,480 Speaker 4: an image that is visible to all of us. Doctor 734 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 4: Alan Hugenot's life, a journey from a man of pure 735 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 4: physics to a man of profound spiritual evidence, shows us 736 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 4: that science and spirituality are not enemies. They are two 737 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 4: different languages trying to describe the same magnificent, conscious universe. 738 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,239 Speaker 4: His work is a powerful promise that one day we 739 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,799 Speaker 4: may not need to rely on signs or mediums, but 740 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 4: can simply pick up a device and have a conversation 741 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,239 Speaker 4: with those we love, proving once and for all that 742 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 4: they are not gone, They're just living in a different room. Now, 743 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,280 Speaker 4: I know that can sound like a fantasy, like something 744 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 4: out of a science fiction movie, but let's just think 745 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 4: about this for a moment. Imagine trying to explain your 746 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 4: cell phone to someone living just one hundred and fifty 747 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,919 Speaker 4: years ago. Could they possibly have imagined a world where 748 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 4: we could capture a person's voice on a recording device 749 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 4: and see someone from the other side of the planet, 750 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 4: or that we could travel in an airplane thirty thousand 751 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 4: feet above the earth. What seems like magic in one 752 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 4: century often becomes everyday technology in the next, and This 753 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 4: idea of instant wireless communication was actually predicted by one 754 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 4: of the greatest scientific minds in history over one hundred 755 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 4: years ago. The brilliant inventor Nikola Tesla said, when wireless 756 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 4: is perfectly applied, the whole earth will be converted into 757 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 4: a huge brain, and the instruments through which we shall 758 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 4: be able to do this will be amazingly simple. A 759 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 4: man will be able to carry one in his vest pocket. 760 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,239 Speaker 4: He was describing the smartphone a century before it existed. 761 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 4: If he could see that far into our technological future, maybe, 762 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 4: just maybe the future doctor Alan Hugeno and others are 763 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,240 Speaker 4: working towards with the afterlife isn't so far fetched at all. 764 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,479 Speaker 4: I invite you to pick up a copy of Death 765 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,839 Speaker 4: Is But a Dream and Physicians Untold Stories by our 766 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 4: doctors today and come visit me at We Don't Die 767 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,360 Speaker 4: dot com. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for 768 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 4: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and 769 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 4: Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 770 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 771 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,320 Speaker 1: Ay and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 772 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 773 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com