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Speaker 3: Stadium in Week ten of the NFL season. The Dallas
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Speaker 3: Cowboys Nation, because you're gonna need about three hundred million
Speaker 3: bagilly grams of caffeine break because it did not look pretty,
Speaker 3: especially in the third quarter for the Cowboys. There were
Speaker 3: times in the first half where I said, Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: there's life, there's a pulse, there's something happening here, a light,
Speaker 3: if you will, maybe a light dark min Why are
Speaker 3: we talking about the sun? What about the moon? I mean,
Speaker 3: they've all been up there. What Sun's been there five
Speaker 3: million years? But yeah, my.
Speaker 6: Favorite Jason Garrett comments is like the sun's been there
Speaker 6: for two billion years for two million yeah.
Speaker 7: But I mean, for those that saw Micah's comments after
Speaker 7: the game, it was a play on what he said,
Speaker 7: be the light.
Speaker 3: Defense needs to be the light. And my moon comment
Speaker 3: was a play on what Jerry said. And the walk
Speaker 3: problem is is that talking to astrology.
Speaker 7: It's it's it's too dark at this point for any
Speaker 7: light to kind of matter. So if you were on
Speaker 7: the if you were on the line about if you should,
Speaker 7: you know, cash in some vacation time for January, go
Speaker 7: ahead and do it, because I said before this game,
Speaker 7: I sat right here in this same seaton. I said
Speaker 7: before this game, this team was on the precipice of
Speaker 7: a lost season. If they lose against the Eagles, especially
Speaker 7: if it's in poor fashion, then it is officially a
Speaker 7: lost season.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to stand on that business.
Speaker 7: And unfortunately, I'm going to go ahead and say this
Speaker 7: is now a lost season.
Speaker 3: What hope?
Speaker 7: If you don't believe it's a lost season, my question
Speaker 7: to you would be, what hope were you leaning on?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: Because not only was the offense worse without Dak Prescott,
Speaker 7: which we knew that it might be, there's ploys of
Speaker 7: monumentally worse without Dak Prescott. Forty six passing yards for
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush, the lowest four starting quarterback or at offense
Speaker 7: for the Cowboys since two thousand and one. I believe
Speaker 7: so tasting yards passing yards wise, lowest passing yards accumulated
Speaker 7: in twenty three years. Okay, your defense came out, played
Speaker 7: with its hair on fire. Demarv Yon overshown everywhere, your longhorn,
Speaker 7: animal animal demon time.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: Michael Parsons came back. Looked like he didn't miss a snap,
Speaker 7: hadn't placed since September. Looked like him saw them demon time.
Speaker 3: Right. The defense set the tone in a way that
Speaker 3: we have been wanting them to do. Huge.
Speaker 7: Still the Pappy, Absolutely, he is still the Pappy five
Speaker 7: the Philadelphia games.
Speaker 3: Still the Pappy. Your defense gave you a chance. What
Speaker 3: did you do?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 3: You blew it every single time?
Speaker 7: Okay, tomayon over shown gets you that sack, thirteen yards
Speaker 7: lost and Cooper rush then fumbles the snap gives them
Speaker 7: the ball in the red zone. Of course they score
Speaker 7: because they can score in the red zone. Apparently not
Speaker 7: every team can, but the Philadelphia Eagles can.
Speaker 3: What's that like?
Speaker 7: Marius Leo file right on that Micah forced fumble, sack,
Speaker 7: Mary's lefoul recovers the ball six yards first and goal
Speaker 7: from the six yard line. How many yards did they
Speaker 7: get one one yard in three attention, Oh no, it
Speaker 7: is three. And it just went from there and all
Speaker 7: five turnovers, fumble at the four four Zeke's fumble in
Speaker 7: the rid zone.
Speaker 3: That was big. That was massive.
Speaker 7: That was such a diff That was a long That
Speaker 7: was the longest best drive of the game, not.
Speaker 3: Just to that point, but of the entire of the year.
Speaker 2: And that might have been my favorite drive They've had
Speaker 2: all gear this favorite drive. They were running the ball,
Speaker 2: they were balanced, they were working to the outside. Rico
Speaker 2: Dawdle was making cuts. They were all moving and grooving
Speaker 2: and just rolling down the field. And then on the
Speaker 2: fifteenth player the drive number, you give it to Ezekiel
Speaker 2: Elliott and he coughs it up at the goal line.
Speaker 7: You know, that reminded me of you remember earlier in
Speaker 7: the season when they had a fantastic drive at home
Speaker 7: and it.
Speaker 3: Was ceedee lamb. Yeah, same thing, the ball on the
Speaker 3: ground in the red zone. I think I was like
Speaker 3: played nine or ten. That was another great drive.
Speaker 7: Four lost fumbles, add an interception on Trey Lance, And honestly,
Speaker 7: I actually forgive Trey Lance for the interception. I'm not
Speaker 7: in a giving grace move but I'll give him great
Speaker 7: for that because that was not on him. Go back
Speaker 7: and look at the film, look at the route. I
Speaker 7: don't know what Jalen Tobart's route was supposed to be there.
Speaker 7: It was bad, but it wasn't what it was supposed Yeah,
Speaker 7: so that interception was on Jalen Tobert. I would have
Speaker 7: liked to see more of Trey Lance, especially earlier in
Speaker 7: the game. But nonetheless, for lost fumbles. We talked about
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush coming into a different situation. This is not
Speaker 7: twenty twenty two. Your offensive line cannot protect you consistently.
Speaker 7: You don't have receivers that can get separation. But hey,
Speaker 7: for two quarters you had a defense that actually was
Speaker 7: taking the ball away and actually was giving you a shot.
Speaker 7: But because you started seeing ghosts, you started the panic
Speaker 7: and things kind of went from there. So worst outing
Speaker 7: of Cooper Rush's professional career. I'm not even we'll get
Speaker 7: through the protection numbers, but this is bad. It's lost
Speaker 7: us your vacation time in January.
Speaker 3: It's a go.
Speaker 6: I think that that drive, that fifteen play drive Verzi
Speaker 6: fumbles in the end zone. I think that, of course,
Speaker 6: like we've talked about before, it's like Oh, there are
Speaker 6: these plays. There are these absolute disastrous plays that just
Speaker 6: make up and tell you the story of what the
Speaker 6: sea in his like for the Cowboys at every turn,
Speaker 6: no matter how good you start to look momentum wise,
Speaker 6: it just results in just a bone headed play, decision, interception, fumble,
Speaker 6: whatever it is, like, it just ends up being that way.
Speaker 4: And then the.
Speaker 6: Defense right after that causes the fumble to put you
Speaker 6: right back at first in goal.
Speaker 3: They negated that whole scenario.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so you.
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons deleted the lat mistake. Absolutely off, delete, delete
Speaker 3: the lead. I mean, he like got rid of it.
Speaker 6: And we've talked about how Mike, how we interpret that.
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy feels about fumbling in the red zone right
Speaker 6: the very next series when they come back out, who
Speaker 6: is your starting running back? And they gave them, what
Speaker 6: the heck are we doing that?
Speaker 7: I said, that doghouse stuff is kind of weird because
Speaker 7: you don't know when he's going to choose to apply it.
Speaker 4: It's really strange.
Speaker 3: And he of course he didn't get a carry after
Speaker 3: that though, right he got that next carry of the
Speaker 3: opening drive. I don't think he had enough game.
Speaker 4: There's that's such an odd decision to me.
Speaker 6: And then again, like we talked about, you have four
Speaker 6: plays and you gain one yard?
Speaker 5: Am I right? That was it?
Speaker 9: Rico o'dwell that got the third down carry on that
Speaker 9: drive too, and it wasn't going for anything.
Speaker 4: Look, didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 9: I don't need to tell you guys that those two
Speaker 9: drives where you need twelve yards total and two drives
Speaker 9: for the chance to get fourteen points is bad. But
Speaker 9: let me tell you what's worse. You want to know
Speaker 9: what the Cowboys did on their next six drives, talk
Speaker 9: to us three and out, three and out, three and out, fumble, fumble,
Speaker 9: interception in those.
Speaker 5: Six drives in those six great, not great, it's it's
Speaker 5: not done yet.
Speaker 9: How many how many yards do you think they gained
Speaker 9: no offense in that time span?
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good twenty five five yards?
Speaker 5: Twenty three yards?
Speaker 3: Are you're gonna make me throw up into this bowl?
Speaker 9: The Eagles scored for the unanswered points, So the Eagles
Speaker 9: had more points than the Cowboys had yards essentially the
Speaker 9: rest of the way.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that. That says it. That says it.
Speaker 5: That's the story of this.
Speaker 9: Game, right, I mean, you take under Mike Zimmers, defense's
Speaker 9: best is best half we've seen all years.
Speaker 3: It was right, yeahs.
Speaker 4: Turned it into.
Speaker 5: The follow through on it. I can't follow it.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, that's that that there's no other way
Speaker 9: to put it. I mean, five sacks in the first half.
Speaker 9: That's the most Cowboys tied for the most that they've
Speaker 9: had in a regular season game in the last twenty
Speaker 9: five years.
Speaker 5: And you just window.
Speaker 7: Felt that you had to take advantage of that first
Speaker 7: half from the defense, knowing that the Cowboys and third
Speaker 7: quarters are not friends.
Speaker 3: They are not friends.
Speaker 7: They are toxic xes who are out for each other's
Speaker 7: but out scored in the third quarter alone eighty two
Speaker 7: to twenty two.
Speaker 3: This year, you are minus sixty minus sixty in the
Speaker 3: third quarter. It might I remind you this is not
Speaker 3: over the course of an entire season. This is over
Speaker 3: the course of nine games. Sixty divided by nine is nine. Great.
Speaker 6: Bob nak MGB and uh Jerry Jones even talked about
Speaker 6: it after the game too.
Speaker 4: It's like we could we got.
Speaker 6: To figure out what we're drinking at halftime, what we
Speaker 6: drink quarter. I mean, there's there's something really drastically wrong
Speaker 6: about the way that they are making adjustments coming out
Speaker 6: of halftime, and if they are even.
Speaker 3: Making it es, well, that's the wind too.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's the game plan.
Speaker 3: And we've we've talked about this on this show previously.
Speaker 3: It may not have been this year, but it might
Speaker 3: have been in the past. But NFL halftimes are so
Speaker 3: short that fans, I think, have this preconceived notion that
Speaker 3: you're gonna go into halftime, You're gonna get this who
Speaker 3: rob speech from the coaching staff, and they're gonna get
Speaker 3: you fired up to go out there for the third quarter,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna get you set, and we're gonna break
Speaker 3: down the film and we're gonna look at it all.
Speaker 3: And everybody's sitting there listening to Mike mc arthy is
Speaker 3: he outlines the game plan going into the second half
Speaker 3: in eleven is not what happens at all. That is
Speaker 3: not at halftime at the NFL level. The halftime at
Speaker 3: the NFL level, you get down there, most of the time,
Speaker 3: guys will either go to the restroom, grab a drink,
Speaker 3: sit down as the coaching staff comes down from the booth.
Speaker 3: So you might get an opportunity if your coach, your
Speaker 3: position coach was in the booth, you'll get maybe three
Speaker 3: minutes to talk to him or her, whatever ends up being.
Speaker 3: In the NFL, you get three minutes in your locker
Speaker 3: room to talk to your position, coach or whoever's directly
Speaker 3: your superior I guess in that moment. Then after that
Speaker 3: you go back onto the field and get ready for
Speaker 3: the second half. So there's not a ton of adjusting
Speaker 3: that can happen. But what you can say is you
Speaker 3: got to have the right mindset coming out of that break.
Speaker 3: And it certainly hasn't been the case. These guys aren't
Speaker 3: locked in, they haven't played well, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of things that go to effort in the NFL, and
Speaker 3: we've talked about effort before. I don't think it's a
Speaker 3: lack of effort. I think it's a lack of mentality,
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, because you can still give physical
Speaker 3: effort but not completely be there right whenever you're locked
Speaker 3: in on the game plan or whatever it may be
Speaker 3: from a playbook standpoint, and when you're getting outscored by
Speaker 3: sixty points in the third quarter alone, you're not locked in.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know what else to tell them. As much
Speaker 6: credit as we're giving the defense. He also had Kiln Carson,
Speaker 6: who did not have a great game. They were targeting him.
Speaker 3: Oh, they picked on him very much.
Speaker 4: And Kellen Moore a.
Speaker 3: Peppy We've addressed this, yes, but Kellen said, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to throw to that guy. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: throw the Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pick on this.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna circle this rookie that the seat belt. They
Speaker 3: may have seat belt cutters in that that locker room
Speaker 3: for Philadelphia because they got after.
Speaker 4: Him a little bit.
Speaker 6: No, and let's run as many crossers as we possibly
Speaker 6: can to get these guys out of position and make
Speaker 6: them play man right, which is just not a good
Speaker 6: recipe for successful for me.
Speaker 7: The third quarter, and when you look at yesterday's third quarter,
Speaker 7: it was more or less a microcosm of what we've
Speaker 7: seen in almost every third quarter this seasons. Cal makes
Speaker 7: a great point. It's not like you can go pull
Speaker 7: up the whiteboard and pull out the film this, have
Speaker 7: a whole team meeting at havetime for adjustments. No, you
Speaker 7: have to adjust quickly and adapt quickly. Now, that's what
Speaker 7: the other team is doing. That's why they come out
Speaker 7: and they're playing different football. If you contain them over
Speaker 7: the first couple of quarters, they're like, yeah, well, we
Speaker 7: see how they're playing us.
Speaker 3: We're going to change this up. Fine.
Speaker 7: That means that's going to give them the advantage, especially
Speaker 7: if they're getting the ball first, because the Cowboys keep
Speaker 7: choosing to receive the ball.
Speaker 3: When they win the coin toss. I don't even starting
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 7: So in this situation, you still have fifteen minutes in
Speaker 7: that quarter, fifteen football minutes to make your adaptation to
Speaker 7: their adaptation problem is yesterday in the third quarter, another
Speaker 7: example of no adaptation over the course of an entire
Speaker 7: third quarter.
Speaker 3: So when I'm seeing.
Speaker 7: Cal Josh, Tommy, you weren't here for this, Josh, what
Speaker 7: I say about Donovan Wilson and zimmer scheme not good?
Speaker 3: What did I say? He keeps asking Donovan to do that.
Speaker 7: Is actually the weakest point top play over the top
Speaker 7: and play go backwards coverage And how did that work
Speaker 7: out yesterday?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 7: Well, that's because Sirianni and Kellen Moore went into the
Speaker 7: half and Kellen Moore knows Donovan Wilson very well for
Speaker 7: obvious reasons, and he said, you know what, I noticed
Speaker 7: that they keep dropping Donovan Wilson back in coverage. Let's
Speaker 7: attack that with Dallas Goddard. Okay, here we go. They're
Speaker 7: attacking Donovan Wilson. Hey, Zimmer, by the way, they were
Speaker 7: drawing a circle around Donovan. Now maybe making a no, okay,
Speaker 7: no no tick tick tick tick tick. Now when the
Speaker 7: fourth quartering of the game is blown wide open already,
Speaker 7: it's too late. So for me, it's not making adjustments
Speaker 7: in real time. It's you know, guys, Yeah, they're giving
Speaker 7: the effort, but you know they're just not in position
Speaker 7: to make the plays in the third quarter, in the
Speaker 7: fourth quarter that they were in the first quarter. We
Speaker 7: know that Demarvejon was a little bit hampered because he
Speaker 7: turns out he suffered the knee injury in the first
Speaker 7: half and he kind of came back in and he
Speaker 7: kind of played through it. But he was battling that.
Speaker 7: But no one else when Marveong got hampered, no one
Speaker 7: else other than Michael was on demon time, right, So
Speaker 7: where were the Demons in the second half. But again,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to hang this loss. I'm really not
Speaker 7: im not going to hang this loss on the defense.
Speaker 3: You're going to lose your edge defensively.
Speaker 7: When you're not playing a complimentary football, offense starts to
Speaker 7: dip mistakes, you start to get frustrated.
Speaker 3: They put you in your situation.
Speaker 9: What's the point, Well, you don't have time to breathe, right, Yeah,
Speaker 9: they don't have time to breathe. Three three and ounce
Speaker 9: and three turnovers back to back to back to back
Speaker 9: to back to back drives.
Speaker 5: You don't have time to catch your breath now.
Speaker 3: So you're sitting there on the sideline saying, can you
Speaker 3: please just get one first down? Just exactly you please?
Speaker 3: You just think.
Speaker 9: As deflating as it is for an offense to not
Speaker 9: come away with six points when you've got the ball
Speaker 9: on the six yard line, how deflating is it for
Speaker 9: a defense to get two eight turnovers back to back
Speaker 9: to get you in that spot, just for your offense
Speaker 9: to run four plays.
Speaker 3: Both times that they didn't end up in points in
Speaker 3: the inside the ten yard line, or I guess they
Speaker 3: ended up with just the three on the after the
Speaker 3: Micah Stripzak and the Marris leafoul recovery. I watched as
Speaker 3: the stadium shot showed the offensive line going back to
Speaker 3: the sideline. Both times they showed the offensive line, and
Speaker 3: I couldn't help but notice two different faces at that time.
Speaker 3: One of them was Zach Martin and then the other
Speaker 3: one was Tyler or Terrence Steel. Those were the two
Speaker 3: guys that I kind of like looked at both times
Speaker 3: when we were in the stadium as they were walking back.
Speaker 3: When we come back, I want to talk about the
Speaker 3: offensive line because it was kind of it was kerfuffled,
Speaker 3: but there was also a bright spot on the left side.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about a little bit more as well,
Speaker 3: but that's part of where I think this offensive struggle
Speaker 3: has started and continued throughout the twenty twenty four season
Speaker 3: offensive line. Talk more about the offensive side of the
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Speaker 3: the Cowboys won a game. It's true. I couldn't even
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Speaker 3: Four straight losses. Back with Tommy Yars, Josh Rodriguez, Patrick
Speaker 3: No s Walker, Chris Beam in the back. I want
Speaker 3: to talk about the offensive side of the ball. Tommy.
Speaker 3: You did a phenomenal job of outlining the despair on
Speaker 3: that side of the football in the second half. One
Speaker 3: way to put it, it's specifically, we've talked a lot
Speaker 3: about the offensive line on this show and how it
Speaker 3: has not been consistent enough for you to build anything
Speaker 3: around it, and a lot of times, at least going
Speaker 3: into the year, we thought it was going to be
Speaker 3: the rookies and the learning curve around Tyler Gidon and
Speaker 3: Cooper Bebee. Instead, you're starting to see the regression in
Speaker 3: a steep regression of Zach Martin, and you're starting to
Speaker 3: see a bad seas have seen a bad season from
Speaker 3: Terrence Steele on the right tackle spot. When you look
Speaker 3: at this offensive line, where does it start for you
Speaker 3: in terms of the downturn up front?
Speaker 9: I really think it is with Terrence Steele on the outside.
Speaker 9: I think that's where you've seen so much of the
Speaker 9: pressure come. And then when you look at the left
Speaker 9: side when Tyler Geiden's played, Dallas has tried to help
Speaker 9: him over there, whether it be a tight end or
Speaker 9: they line up a running back on that side to
Speaker 9: help him pass protection guy.
Speaker 5: It just hasn't worked. It just hasn't worked.
Speaker 9: So I mean assume Richard's awesome mercer yesterday I thought
Speaker 9: played fairly well for what you would expect from him
Speaker 9: considering Geiton was, you know, kind of a guy you
Speaker 9: didn't know about coming into this game and you know,
Speaker 9: questionable throughout the week and limited throughout the week in practice.
Speaker 9: But you know what did it for me was Terrence
Speaker 9: Steele Seemingly you guys, tell me if I saw this
Speaker 9: play wrong, it looked like he kicked the ball away
Speaker 9: from Hunter Lipke and then just want it on the
Speaker 9: ground instead of just falling on top of.
Speaker 4: It's trying to scoop and score based.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's trying to make something happen.
Speaker 5: That was third down, right, So I mean.
Speaker 3: He's trying to make up for his mistake.
Speaker 9: With all due respect to Terrence, I don't know how
Speaker 9: many yards he's going to get if he picks that
Speaker 9: up and rumbles with it.
Speaker 5: Maybe he just houses it. That would be super cool.
Speaker 4: A man of steel.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's a hard guy to bring down
Speaker 9: the ball, I'll tell you that. But you know that,
Speaker 9: I think that's where it starts with this offensive line.
Speaker 9: When you knew there was going to be growing pains
Speaker 9: with rookies, but did you think it would be to
Speaker 9: this magnitude.
Speaker 6: And that kind of goes back to another motif that
Speaker 6: has followed us throughout the season, and that like hero ball,
Speaker 6: playing hero ball, doing more, doing too much. You know,
Speaker 6: if Terrence Steele thinks in that moment like I'm going
Speaker 6: to pick up the ball and we're going to get
Speaker 6: this first downright.
Speaker 3: Loft sixty yards.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, if that's his thought process, that is the
Speaker 6: hero ball, That is the hero mentality. That is doing
Speaker 6: more than what your job entails. Your job entails in
Speaker 6: that moment to dive on that frickin' ball and secure it,
Speaker 6: do not give it back to the Philadelphia Eagles when
Speaker 6: you are struggling to move the ball in the first place.
Speaker 6: To me, that was just another example of how being
Speaker 6: a hero doing too much has kind of bit you
Speaker 6: in the butt. And you've seen that more so on
Speaker 6: defense this year, But in that moment, it felt.
Speaker 3: Just like that.
Speaker 6: It's a microcosm of the whole season and the demons
Speaker 6: sort of.
Speaker 4: Coming back again.
Speaker 3: He was my f word again.
Speaker 7: Fundamentals, Oh, fundamentals say that on the airway. Yeah, fundamentals, listen,
Speaker 7: Terrence steel Is sixty six three hundred ten pounds, give
Speaker 7: or take. Okay, after the after you missed your block
Speaker 7: which led to the sack and forced fumble. That cow
Speaker 7: you said, maybe he was trying to make up for it.
Speaker 7: The way you make up for it is you put
Speaker 7: that six six, three hundred ten pound frame on top
Speaker 7: of that small, little oblong object. That's what you do.
Speaker 7: You go full bombshit over that ball to give yourselves
Speaker 7: a chance. At worst, it becomes a punt and you
Speaker 7: turn the field position a while.
Speaker 3: But you cannot give the Eagles that ball.
Speaker 5: He needs to pop that ball.
Speaker 9: He literally needs to make the ball explode by falling.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's what needs to happen.
Speaker 9: No, there should be no ball by the.
Speaker 4: Fundamental, flatten yourself on top of.
Speaker 7: You are taught at every level of the game to
Speaker 7: fall on a loose ball. Yep, every position doesn't matter
Speaker 7: if you're the wide receiver or not. Now it's a
Speaker 7: little bit more forgivable if you don't, and you're the
Speaker 7: wide receiver or something right, and you have some green
Speaker 7: in front of you. It's like, Okay, you know what
Speaker 7: the fundamental was, but I get it. I can't even
Speaker 7: say I get this. You're a right tackle. Just fall
Speaker 7: on the ball. You have zero chance. Let's say you
Speaker 7: scoop that ball. Where are you're going, Like Tommy said.
Speaker 5: Are where you're going?
Speaker 3: Big boy? Where you're going, big boy? Right? This was
Speaker 3: not going to be the legacy moment. Okay. So to
Speaker 3: answer your question, my opinion, it starts on the right side.
Speaker 7: It's not just Terrence, but it's Zach as well, right,
Speaker 7: and then it filters left from there because Terrence is
Speaker 7: struggling and Zach is having arguably the worst season of
Speaker 7: his you know, Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 3: He gave up another sack and another two pressures. Correct.
Speaker 7: Now, it makes things more difficult for a rookie like
Speaker 7: Cooper BB, right, who's transitioning. And one of the things
Speaker 7: that were was supposed to help Cooper BB was being
Speaker 7: sandwiched between Zach Martin Tyler Smith. Tyler Smith had a
Speaker 7: pretty pretty good day yesterday, But when that right side
Speaker 7: is struggling, now you're asking a whole lot from Cooper
Speaker 7: BB and his first.
Speaker 3: Year is center and his first year is center.
Speaker 7: Also a lot of Yeah, I think everybody except one
Speaker 7: allowed to sack yesterday.
Speaker 3: That would be as stout of the starters, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: out of the starters, correct. Tyler Smith was the only
Speaker 3: one who did that, and then it was a combiny.
Speaker 7: It went from there because Cook clean from Tyler, Cooper
Speaker 7: Rush wasn't throwing the ball well even when he wasn't pressured,
Speaker 7: and then when he was pressured, it made things spiral
Speaker 7: them much more out of control. So yeah, yeah, worst
Speaker 7: passing outing since, like I said, two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: Oh, here's who the quarterback was in that game. It
Speaker 3: was Quincy Quincy Carter.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he did not Cooper Rush did not complete a
Speaker 9: pass further than ten.
Speaker 3: Years ten yards field. Yeah. His spray chart from NFL
Speaker 3: like next Gin looks like a peewee football spray chart
Speaker 3: like And that's not all on Cooper Rush, it's not,
Speaker 3: but it does look like that, but it is. It
Speaker 3: is also and I think there's an element to this
Speaker 3: that one if you're a Dak Prescott hater, this is
Speaker 3: a good indication of why you shouldn't be a Dak
Speaker 3: Prescott hater.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: Not only is Cooper Rush a backup quarterback, but it
Speaker 3: went so far down below we thought it was a
Speaker 3: low floor or a high floor, low ceiling. With Cooper Rush,
Speaker 3: we just saw how low the floor can get. It
Speaker 3: went pretty darn low and it is. It's the lowest
Speaker 3: that he's ever played in the NFL. That's plain and simple.
Speaker 3: It could get get better from here, we'll see, But
Speaker 3: right there is a good indication of how much you
Speaker 3: missed Dak Prescott. When I was sitting in the press
Speaker 3: box and I had my pin out and I was
Speaker 3: taking my notes. During that Terrence Steel play where the
Speaker 3: stripsack happens, Rush puts the ball on the ground, it
Speaker 3: fumbles away. He's trying to go get it and he
Speaker 3: can't come up with it, and the Eagles recover. I
Speaker 3: wrote two words on my flip card. Would you like
Speaker 3: to guess which the two words were on air?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, they're they're not. No, they're not curse words.
Speaker 4: You're going that I got nothing.
Speaker 3: Would you like to take a guess?
Speaker 5: I couldn't even try.
Speaker 3: It was rock bottom, That's what I and I wrote
Speaker 3: it over the top of the Cowboy That's what That's
Speaker 3: what it felt like. It felt like this was rock bottom.
Speaker 3: The boobirds were there. Everybody's frustrated. The offense hasn't been good.
Speaker 3: Even when Dak was in the fold, he was having
Speaker 3: to cover up so much that they could not figure
Speaker 3: things out period. It's it felt like that moment. If
Speaker 3: when we get done with the twenty twenty four season
Speaker 3: and we look back years from now and we circle
Speaker 3: this year as a year that was a lost season
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys, that's the moment that's gonna stick out
Speaker 3: to me. That one specifically. I don't know why, but
Speaker 3: it's because it felt that way. I felt, really it was.
Speaker 3: There's plenty of moments like that. That was the one
Speaker 3: that's going to stick out to me as the rock
Speaker 3: bottom moment of twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Think the Zeke fumble two is one that was bad too.
Speaker 6: That one's really bad, and a lot of it just
Speaker 6: feels like a team that is playing not to lose.
Speaker 6: They're trying to they're desperately trying not to make the mistakes,
Speaker 6: which is also making those mistakes. And there it doesn't
Speaker 6: feel like a confidence team.
Speaker 7: Here's when you know nothing is destined to go in
Speaker 7: your favorite you're gasping for any type of positivity.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: So Trey Lance comes in and yeah, this could have
Speaker 7: been a better ball to Jake, but none the less,
Speaker 7: the ball gets there. Jake with a sensational one handed grab,
Speaker 7: sensation to fumble yep, fourth loss fumble. At that point,
Speaker 7: it is okay, okay, use your vacation, Tom.
Speaker 5: Do you know what?
Speaker 9: You know what happened after that fumble too? Trey Lance,
Speaker 9: as a good quarterback does, makes the play to push
Speaker 9: the defender out of bounds.
Speaker 5: He pushed the defender into Dak Prescott. I mean bad
Speaker 5: play alone.
Speaker 9: Is the encapsulations. I mean we can look at and
Speaker 9: he has Dak has to hop away. He like he
Speaker 9: could have gotten again.
Speaker 5: That I think encapsulates this game.
Speaker 9: There's just one photo, one six second video that is
Speaker 9: the cover of.
Speaker 3: Maybe I should have written that down on that play.
Speaker 9: Specifically, even even when Dak Prescott's not in the game,
Speaker 9: he was still in danger, He's still under pressure mind boxing.
Speaker 5: I mean, how does that happen?
Speaker 6: Oh there's a hit on his statuet for yesterday no
Speaker 6: attempts pressure.
Speaker 3: Allowed the QB three QB three. Oh my god. I
Speaker 3: was I was impressed because I was like, Trey Lance
Speaker 3: laid a hit on that guy. I was like, that
Speaker 3: was kind of a good I realized that Dak was
Speaker 3: on the receiving. We are not even laughing because it's funny.
Speaker 7: We're laughing because how does the adage go, sometimes you
Speaker 7: gotta laugh to keep crying. This is so bad that
Speaker 7: you're either going to just laugh at it because it's
Speaker 7: like it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous that you have
Speaker 7: to laugh or you just go numb, or a combination
Speaker 7: of the two. Now it's just like, Okay, what what
Speaker 7: happens when the texts come? What's the next thing?
Speaker 4: What's the stages of grief?
Speaker 6: And I think we're kind of passed that into now
Speaker 6: it's laughter. Now it's just a morbid, a morbid laughter
Speaker 6: that we have in regards to the team and the
Speaker 6: season so far. You hate to see it, man, you
Speaker 6: really do.
Speaker 3: This is rough.
Speaker 7: That if just when you think, and that's why I
Speaker 7: say that, hold that rock bottom drink, because it seems
Speaker 7: like every time you think you've hit rock bottom with this.
Speaker 3: Team, something else happens happens. Even with that, though, like
Speaker 3: you said it, going into this game, there was still
Speaker 3: a sliver of hope. Even if it was a sliver,
Speaker 3: I'm talking it, but it was there's I don't see
Speaker 3: that anymore. I don't think there's even a sliver. I
Speaker 3: think the season you're looking at the future now whenever
Speaker 3: it comes to twenty twenty four, Sure a miracle in
Speaker 3: the Metroplex can happen and you can win out. Sure, absolutely,
Speaker 3: you could totally have a miracle, because that's what it
Speaker 3: would take, a pure act of divine intervention to make
Speaker 3: something happen to the point where you win and get
Speaker 3: to eleven and six. Sure, but that's not happening. Will
Speaker 3: I think God is busy doing other things. Yeah, he's plenty.
Speaker 3: He's a bit tied up, I will say.
Speaker 9: And I'll pose this kind of as a question too.
Speaker 9: If you if you want I try to be a
Speaker 9: positive person, if you want to look at something, if
Speaker 9: you want to look at something that could be positive
Speaker 9: for you. If the offensive line is going to play
Speaker 9: the way that they've been playing or they give up pressure,
Speaker 9: do you make.
Speaker 5: Trey Lance the starting quarterback?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 9: Is that the potential answer? Because here's the thing, Yes,
Speaker 9: thank you. At worst you get him valuable reps and
Speaker 9: you see what you've got there. You traded a fourth
Speaker 9: round pick for him. I think you just see what
Speaker 9: you've got there, and that's not that's not a slight
Speaker 9: at Cooper Rush. I mean what you have with you,
Speaker 9: You know what you have with Cooper Rush. And now
Speaker 9: you've seen the worst from Cooper Rush. And you know,
Speaker 9: are you in save the season mode anymore to where
Speaker 9: you want Cooper Rush to win you games?
Speaker 5: Or are you in Hey.
Speaker 9: Let's see if Trey Lance can get this thing going?
Speaker 4: Are you in all?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 4: And he needs to run the freaking ball?
Speaker 5: M wow, bang god?
Speaker 3: And you can't. We saw it like at least early
Speaker 3: in the game, whenever they just put him in for
Speaker 3: a run package, he ran the Reid option and took
Speaker 3: two snaps and then was out of the game. Like
Speaker 3: that was kind of what what we anticipated. Like, you
Speaker 3: can't just do that. He's got to be able to
Speaker 3: throw the football too, And so we mentioned this last week,
Speaker 3: But you're right. If the offensive line is is Swiss
Speaker 3: cheese up front and it's just gonna let these.
Speaker 5: Defenders through and Rush is gonna succeed.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen. So why not give a guy
Speaker 3: with at least a little bit of mobility a chance
Speaker 3: back there? And like you said, see what you get.
Speaker 6: Dual threats. The more opportunities you give yourself on the
Speaker 6: ground or in the air, take a shot, man, you
Speaker 6: have to.
Speaker 9: You you look at I mean to cut you off
Speaker 9: just one more thing on trade. You look at some
Speaker 9: of the players yesterday where he gets flushed out. One
Speaker 9: of those plays, he just turns the court or beats everybody.
Speaker 5: For eleven yards.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and even when he couldn't, even when he couldn't, he.
Speaker 5: Still gets flushed out.
Speaker 9: He's got three guys on the backfield chasing him, and
Speaker 9: he gets back to the line of scrimmage. If Cooper
Speaker 9: rushes in that situation, you take a six to seven
Speaker 9: yard sack both times dead man, and he turns it
Speaker 9: into ten net yards in two plays and a first down.
Speaker 7: And this is why going into this game, I wanted
Speaker 7: them to unleash the packages for Trey Lance, but for
Speaker 7: Trey Lance to not take his first snap until just
Speaker 7: under three minutes in the third quarter. Now you're down
Speaker 7: twenty eight to six, and then you put him in
Speaker 7: for two plays, one of those was a designed run,
Speaker 7: and then you pull him and you put Cooper Rush
Speaker 7: back in the game for that third quarter. And then
Speaker 7: it wasn't until the fourth quarter where you look at
Speaker 7: Tray and say, you know what, now you can go
Speaker 7: throw the ball. No, And then even when you look
Speaker 7: at when Trey was throwing the ball. We know that
Speaker 7: Trey Lance needs more development with his arm. We know this, okay,
Speaker 7: but it's evaluation time and he's not going to get
Speaker 7: this opportunity again for the Cowboys as far as in
Speaker 7: game reps, and like he said that time he said,
Speaker 7: and like we've been saying leading into this game, he
Speaker 7: gives you the escapability and behind an offensive line that
Speaker 7: just simply cannot protect you.
Speaker 3: So, no matter how you look at it, we know
Speaker 3: what Cooper rush is.
Speaker 7: If you're Mike McCarthy and you're thinking, there's a snowballs
Speaker 7: chance in the hell that maybe you can save the season.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe the best option is Trey Lance.
Speaker 7: Maybe, but even if it's not, you need to evaluate
Speaker 7: this young man and if nothing else, give the fans
Speaker 7: something to have some fun with in a season that's
Speaker 7: likely dead at this point.
Speaker 6: And if you've read Dallas Cowboys dot Com, you read
Speaker 6: this last week in Science Life, you did Patrick discuss this,
Speaker 6: you did about using both quarterbacks to your advantage. Whenever
Speaker 6: I saw Trey Lance come in, I was like, Damn,
Speaker 6: Patrick got a point. Patrick got a point. It's at
Speaker 6: this point it's too little, too late.
Speaker 4: But I didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't not respect I didn't expect the coaching staff
Speaker 6: to put Trey Lance in. But you needed the spark
Speaker 6: in that moment, and I think he for all into
Speaker 6: the purposes. He gave you something.
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush, a Conch Carter game, Trey Lance at least
Speaker 7: a package that should have started middle of the second quarter,
Speaker 7: give or take.
Speaker 3: And so at the beginning of.
Speaker 7: The third quarter, when you saw it was starting to
Speaker 7: get away from you, just go ahead and pull the
Speaker 7: reins off.
Speaker 4: Imagine if you started that.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, just.
Speaker 9: Going start, you know when it should have started, first
Speaker 9: and goal from.
Speaker 3: The six yo.
Speaker 9: Yeah, tell, as soon as they got the ball there,
Speaker 9: I said to myself and I maybe said to the
Speaker 9: see you in the press box, this is prime trade opportunity.
Speaker 9: This is a prime trade a Lance spot.
Speaker 5: If you run a speed.
Speaker 9: Options with him and Rico o'dowell, you're at least getting
Speaker 9: a yard or two at the very like if.
Speaker 4: That's who would be double what we actually exactly.
Speaker 9: Barring a disaster, which the Cowboys had several disasters, you
Speaker 9: at least get a couple of positive yards out of
Speaker 9: that plane.
Speaker 5: You just see what you've got you see what you've.
Speaker 9: Got, and you get away from the interior defensive line.
Speaker 9: Because Jalen Carter in this game, Yeah, he was nuts,
Speaker 9: absolute monster, absolute monster, bulldog.
Speaker 4: We get it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, you got.
Speaker 5: There basically playing the Georgia defense.
Speaker 3: I what do.
Speaker 5: I have, like like four or five Georgia defenders over there.
Speaker 3: Four starters.
Speaker 9: But if the way that he's playing, the way that
Speaker 9: Brandon Graham was coming off the edge too, you get
Speaker 9: away from all that, you get trade to the outside
Speaker 9: and maybe you've got.
Speaker 5: A shot there.
Speaker 9: That's what I saw. That's what I said to myself
Speaker 9: for the first time. Okay, this is where Trey Lance
Speaker 9: might be able to give you something. But I understand
Speaker 9: now I help yourself.
Speaker 5: I do understand.
Speaker 9: Mike McCarthy giving the ball to Rico Dowdell and Ezekiel
Speaker 9: Aliat in the situation is because they were running the
Speaker 9: ball so well in that first half. The offensive line
Speaker 9: was getting good push in the run game. I mean,
Speaker 9: we can give him that.
Speaker 3: But why do I give yourself the added options?
Speaker 5: That's my point.
Speaker 3: That's tough, all right, we got to take our second break.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we flip our attention to the
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Speaker 3: had some guys not so much playing late. We'll talk
Speaker 3: about each of those good at the bad, the ugly
Speaker 3: of the Cowboys defense. In the thirty four to six
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Speaker 3: In the back of Kyle Yeoman's breaking down the thirty
Speaker 3: four to six Cowboys lost to Philadelphia, Dallas now three
Speaker 3: and six. Best case scenario is the win out scenario,
Speaker 3: and you're you've got eleven wins on the season. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I don't even know why.
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, no, I don't. I don't mean to dismiss
Speaker 4: you at all.
Speaker 3: Man. The next two games, what was that for the
Speaker 3: next two games? Yeah, you've got the Houston Texans who
Speaker 3: lost last night but are still really really good at
Speaker 3: and then yeah, they're gonna be upset. And have you
Speaker 3: won at home? No, you have. Actually, you're the first
Speaker 3: team in history to trail by twenty points or more
Speaker 3: at home in the last five game. Sick. Okay, who
Speaker 3: you got after this? Then you've got this Washington team. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, that's seven and three, but they just lost,
Speaker 3: so they're also mad.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so yeah extra large man.
Speaker 3: Well that's gonna do it for us here talking Cowboys playoffs,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about the defense, because the defense showed
Speaker 3: things at least in that first half that we haven't
Speaker 3: seen all year. They get worn down, they get tired,
Speaker 3: like we talked about with Tommy earlier. When you go
Speaker 3: three and out, three and ow three and now pick
Speaker 3: pick interception, I mean fumble whatever, it ends up being
Speaker 3: the just the seven or eight drives straight of just
Speaker 3: not good offense. It is going to wear down a defense.
Speaker 3: Even the best in the business can't have that sort
Speaker 3: of sustained success over and over and over again. What
Speaker 3: was the best thing you saw and the worst thing
Speaker 3: you saw from the Cowboys defense in the loss on Sunday, Patt,
Speaker 3: I'll start with you, and.
Speaker 7: This thing I saw was de Marveo Novas shown taking
Speaker 7: another step toward being arguably the best Cowboys defender not
Speaker 7: named Michael Parsons in twenty twenty five and beyond. I
Speaker 7: just can't I can't state enough how impressed IM with
Speaker 7: this young man, especially when you look at all the
Speaker 7: variables surrounding his success. Right, he was essentially red shirted
Speaker 7: by torn acl as his first season.
Speaker 3: Another scary injury time out yesterday.
Speaker 7: Another right, in training camp, he misses a good chunk
Speaker 7: of training camp with the hip pointer.
Speaker 3: Okay, so he misses those reps.
Speaker 7: But he comes out Week one against the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 7: and he plays some great freaking football.
Speaker 3: Had a couple of.
Speaker 7: Hiccups here and there, but then overall, his trajectory is
Speaker 7: just exponentially taking leaps forward to the point where yesterday
Speaker 7: you would have I mean, that was all pro level
Speaker 7: football from the Marveon overshown all pro level football, to
Speaker 7: the point where Micah Parsons himself said he'd reconsider his
Speaker 7: role going forward so that he could stay on the
Speaker 7: field with the Marveon overshown, like when you're playing so
Speaker 7: well that you have a generational talent looking at the
Speaker 7: defensive coordinator saying you know what put us on the
Speaker 7: field at the same time from now on, that's big stuff.
Speaker 7: So for me, it's to marve on overshown and Mike
Speaker 7: had giving you some kind of life that you can maybe.
Speaker 3: Have some fun with going forward. So that's the best thing.
Speaker 7: The worst thing for me is just the struggles of
Speaker 7: Kayln Carson tall Ask. He's only two games back, yeah,
Speaker 7: only two Yeah, aj Brown tall asked only two games
Speaker 7: back from his shoulder injury, having missed several games, and
Speaker 7: it's just that's a lot to ask from the young man.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, he's struggling with things like
Speaker 7: miss tackles. His coverage is just not what I've seen
Speaker 7: that it can be on film, and that allowed Jalen
Speaker 7: Hurts and Kellen Moore to target him and go away
Speaker 7: from Jordan Lewis, go away from Trayvon Diggs. So, you know,
Speaker 7: Kayln Carson, he can be better. Hopefully he'll begin to
Speaker 7: get better as the season goes on he starts to
Speaker 7: get those reps. But yeah, that's the worst. But the
Speaker 7: Marrion Overshown. He was a lighthouse for me yesterday.
Speaker 6: The best that I saw from the defense, as far
Speaker 6: as I mean first and second half defense. Obviously we're
Speaker 6: talking about here right When you consider, like you said
Speaker 6: to Marvin Overshone doing the most.
Speaker 4: He was all over the field.
Speaker 6: He made just about every single defensive play in the
Speaker 6: first quarter and the second quarter.
Speaker 4: To me, his passion is shining through.
Speaker 6: I think the fact that he is just confident, you know,
Speaker 6: because you're not seeing a lot of that on this team.
Speaker 6: You're not seeing a lot of players like once they
Speaker 6: make a tackle, get up and actually be passionate and
Speaker 6: do something that's like I made this play for me,
Speaker 6: Demarvin Overshone is going to be the heart of your
Speaker 6: defense going forward, and it's.
Speaker 4: Something to build on.
Speaker 6: And not only that, but you have Trayvon Diggs who
Speaker 6: was playing lights out in the first half. Granted they
Speaker 6: were targeting Calen Carson all day. When you do get
Speaker 6: to target Trayvon Diggs, what do you get interceptions?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: I love that. I love seeing that.
Speaker 6: I love the pressure that you were able to get
Speaker 6: on Jalen Hurts in the first half yesterday because he
Speaker 6: was uncomfortable, he was making poor decisions, his throws were aired,
Speaker 6: and once the Philadelphia Eagles figured out, like, oh, the
Speaker 6: Cow's offense is going to do anything, let's just sit back,
Speaker 6: let's chill, let's take you know, let's take plays off. Basically,
Speaker 6: if we need to live to see another down, because
Speaker 6: we will score, we will end up scoring. But I
Speaker 6: think that would be my worst part. There is the
Speaker 6: fact that the defense, it's hard to say gave up,
Speaker 6: but they let off the gas in the second half
Speaker 6: because the offense wasn't doing any because they were they
Speaker 6: were and they were gassed of course, so that would
Speaker 6: be sort of a micro causing both.
Speaker 4: It's kind of good and bad.
Speaker 9: Sure, I think the positive for me, and I was
Speaker 9: telling Nick Harris, is this. On the drive back yesterday,
Speaker 9: nobody talked about how the Cowboys held Saquon Barkley to
Speaker 9: sixty six yards on the ground.
Speaker 5: I mean that that's what's incredible.
Speaker 3: That's one of believes.
Speaker 9: Best running backs and a guy who easily could have
Speaker 9: taken this game over, easily could have taken this game
Speaker 9: over if he does Saquon Barkley things, if he jumps
Speaker 9: over a guy backwards, whatever, it may be, so I
Speaker 9: think that's a positive development for this run defense, which
Speaker 9: has quite frankly, put together back to back pretty good
Speaker 9: weeks defending two very good running backs and Jean Robinson
Speaker 9: and Saquon Barkley. The flip side of that is that
Speaker 9: this team is still struggling to defend quarterbacks that can run.
Speaker 9: Jalen Hurts fifty six yards on seven carries for two touchdowns.
Speaker 9: I know one of those was the touch push. But
Speaker 9: when your defense is able to get pressure like that
Speaker 9: and Jalen Hurts has to get out of the pocket
Speaker 9: and he just has nothing in.
Speaker 5: Front of him, nothing, it can't happen.
Speaker 9: And when it happens again and again, and there isn't
Speaker 9: an adjustment man to, you know, put a guy like
Speaker 9: Demarvion overshown on him, whether it be as a spy
Speaker 9: or just have him in the area, whatever it may be.
Speaker 9: If it keeps happening again and again and you don't
Speaker 9: adjust to it, then a guy like Jalen Hurts and
Speaker 9: what he's capable of doing, is going to take advantage of.
Speaker 5: That all day long.
Speaker 9: And I'll tell you this, I don't know if there
Speaker 9: would be a better candidate for a s and we've
Speaker 9: seen it this year too than to marve on overshom
Speaker 9: considering how.
Speaker 5: Fast he closes.
Speaker 9: You saw it yesterday with how many with how fast
Speaker 9: he gets to the quarterback.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is that the sack yesterday made
Speaker 3: me think back to the Deshaun Watson sack, and the
Speaker 3: way that he closed on Watson yesterday was more impressive
Speaker 3: to me because there was a visible second gear that
Speaker 3: Demo hit. Demo was already in the backfield and then
Speaker 3: he said, you know what, let me accelerate a little more. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he just won am like Jalen, Like holy he
Speaker 3: absolutely that was one of the best defensive plays of
Speaker 3: the year. And it's all kind of going to get
Speaker 3: forgotten about in the long run because of what you're
Speaker 3: talking about. And I think, yeah, he's a dude, which
Speaker 3: is why, Like when he came out yesterday at the
Speaker 3: locker room and he was saying, hey, I'm good, Tuck
Speaker 3: to Nicole Hutcheson afterwards said I'm good. He said in
Speaker 3: the locker room, specifically to the media, I'll be back
Speaker 3: next week. That's all phenomenal news because he's a great dude.
Speaker 3: He's starting to turn into a leader, people are looking
Speaker 3: at him on the defensive side of the football, and
Speaker 3: the fact that he plays the way that he does too.
Speaker 3: All of these things add up significantly to a guy
Speaker 3: who could get into Pro Bowl and All Pro territory,
Speaker 3: maybe not this year, but down the line as a
Speaker 3: part of the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 6: And I love it as far as building blocks, that
Speaker 6: is he's a guy one that is, that is your guy,
Speaker 6: that is the heart and soul of your defense.
Speaker 7: And you know what, that's got to make Cowboys fans
Speaker 7: feel fantastic because it's not been since the days of
Speaker 7: peak Sean Lee that you've been able to point at
Speaker 7: the linebacker corps in Dallas and say, we've got a dude.
Speaker 4: That dude.
Speaker 7: Now you can look at the Marvyn overshown and say, oh,
Speaker 7: we got it, we got ourselves in due.
Speaker 5: And the great thing about to Marvin Overson, I think.
Speaker 9: He is the start of this kind of new era
Speaker 9: that we're seeing with these hybrid linebackers, because when you
Speaker 9: think of linebackers in days past, I think Eric Kendricks
Speaker 9: is a perfect example of what you think about in
Speaker 9: a linebacker. Guy who's going to be everywhere and make
Speaker 9: all the tackles for you at the second level. To
Speaker 9: Marvion Overshown is this kind of new breed of linebacker
Speaker 9: that can kick it into that extra gear. They've got
Speaker 9: a little bit more speed, a little bit more length
Speaker 9: to him. He has a history playing safety back in
Speaker 9: his high school. Maybe he played a little bit of
Speaker 9: safety at Texas too, but that speed is such a
Speaker 9: difference maker, and I think you are seeing some of
Speaker 9: that too. And the college dress is a good example
Speaker 9: of that. Although he's heard unfortunately for the rest of
Speaker 9: the year is Harold Perkins, just because he has that
Speaker 9: extra gear to him where he can get after the quarterback.
Speaker 3: Anthony Hill, who wears number zero for example of that,
Speaker 3: wear the same uniform. Devo Ward Texas a similar deal.
Speaker 5: You're looking at a stockier version of Demarvions.
Speaker 9: Texas, shorter, but he still does a lot of the
Speaker 9: same things. So de Marvion overshon is a great example
Speaker 9: of this kind of i'll say new era, although we've
Speaker 9: seen other guys like that. I think Isaiah Simmons is a
Speaker 9: good NFL example. I don't it hasn't panned out. I
Speaker 9: don't think like some people thought it has.
Speaker 3: And maybe I think Micah was that initially until they
Speaker 3: kind of full time threw him on the defense because
Speaker 3: it was such a good it was so good as
Speaker 3: a pass rusher. He could have been that previously. But
Speaker 3: now you have both which in a good way, and
Speaker 3: you have an elite pass rusher and you have that hybrid,
Speaker 3: and when.
Speaker 5: You have them both on the field at the same time,
Speaker 5: a lot of good things.
Speaker 3: Gimme, dude, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 5: Of good things are going to happen.
Speaker 7: Will That's one of the high points. One of the
Speaker 7: few high points of the game is that sack from
Speaker 7: overshown and you could almost see the terror in Jalen
Speaker 7: hurts his eyes as he's running full of speed and
Speaker 7: the opposite direction, praying that he can get out an
Speaker 7: opportunity to turn the corner. But there's no corner to
Speaker 7: be turned. So the marvele and over shown is at
Speaker 7: your front door.
Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot of times where there's an
Speaker 3: audible response. It's only a couple times a game from
Speaker 3: the press box. Usually it's silent in there audible response,
Speaker 3: especially especially not Josh. Throughout the game, you're silent. But
Speaker 3: then that demo play happened, and like the whole press
Speaker 3: box was like you could hear it. It was almost
Speaker 3: in simultaneous unison. Are yeah, whoa, it was just few
Speaker 3: What was did you guys? Give you the worst thing
Speaker 3: that you saw? Yeah, I did.
Speaker 12: It was Carson and then mine was, oh gosh, now
Speaker 12: I'm blinking inability to stop the Thank you, quarterback, thank you,
Speaker 12: and you brought up the point.
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley second lowest total on the ground this year.
Speaker 3: The only other team that held him for fewer yards,
Speaker 3: oddly enough, was the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4: At least we got him right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 7: Cowboys had a chance to win this game. It was
Speaker 7: seventy three for the longest, fourteen to six good half.
Speaker 7: Your defense did exactly what it needed to do. Offense
Speaker 7: did absolutely nothing.
Speaker 9: That would have been a seventeen to seven or seventeen
Speaker 9: fourteen game.
Speaker 3: At half two, yeah, out, one team went and grabbed it.
Speaker 3: The other team had a chance to grab it and
Speaker 3: did not do it. Wait, we tried to pick it
Speaker 3: up and tried to pick it up three hundred pound
Speaker 3: rock bottom. Baby. All right, that does it for us
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Speaker 5: Great job on your debut.
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