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Speaker 2: So over the weekend, Trump announced that he is invoking

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Speaker 2: the Foreign the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: This is claiming wartime powers. It's only been invoked three

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Speaker 2: times in the past, both all three during actual wars

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Speaker 2: eighteen twelve, World War One, and World War Two, when

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Speaker 2: it was infamously used to justify the internment of Japanese civilians,

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Speaker 2: including others as well, Italians and Germans as well. We

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Speaker 2: can put me one up on the screen. So the

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Speaker 2: headline here from PBS, Trump invokes eighteenth century law declaring

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Speaker 2: invasion by gangs to speed mass deportations. So his claim

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Speaker 2: is that the US has been invaded by a Venezuelan gang,

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Speaker 2: putting us quote unquote at war because these, you know,

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Speaker 2: can only these powers can only be used at wartime,

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Speaker 2: and handing himself the discretion to intern and summarily to

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Speaker 2: port with zero due process anyone that he effectively wants.

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Speaker 2: So right away after he invokes this, and there was

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Speaker 2: anticipation that this was coming, there were some Venezuelan migrants

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Speaker 2: who were sort of moved to.

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Speaker 4: This Texas ice facility. Of course, this had.

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Speaker 2: Been expected because he talked about on the campaign trail

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Speaker 2: that this was coming all along. So the ACLU actually

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Speaker 2: got out front and filed a suit to try to

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Speaker 2: block these deportations, focusing in particular on these five Venezuelan migrants.

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Speaker 2: So when Trump invokes this Alien Enemies Act, immediately a

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Speaker 2: plane takes off with hundreds of Venezuelan migrants that they

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Speaker 2: claim are in this trender Aragua gang, which became a

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Speaker 2: big talking point on the campaign.

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Speaker 4: Trail as well.

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Speaker 2: So they take off and head to El Salvador, where

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Speaker 2: they are put into a notorious prison there where you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're just completely disappeared, right, So there's no

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Speaker 2: access for journalists, no access for.

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Speaker 4: Lawyers, whatever.

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Speaker 2: There is no proof that these people actually are in

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Speaker 2: the gang that Trump says that they're in. In fact,

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Speaker 2: previously they had said that some people you know and

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Speaker 2: that were held at Guantanamo were in this gang, and

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Speaker 2: journalists went in and turned out they weren't whatsoever. It's

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Speaker 2: estimated there's only a few hundred members of this gang

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Speaker 2: in the US all together, so.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of okay, that's not so very.

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Speaker 2: Unlikely that, you know, they got all of them in

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Speaker 2: this one round up. In any case, there's there's no proof.

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Speaker 2: They were given no due process, no ability to challenge

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Speaker 2: the determination that they're part of this gang, and they're

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Speaker 2: disappeared into this El Salvador prison that's known for cruelty,

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Speaker 2: torture and slave labor. So after this plane takes off,

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Speaker 2: a judge actually acts pretty quickly. We can put this

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Speaker 2: next piece up on the screen. Judge actually acts pretty

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Speaker 2: quickly and hastily schedules a hearing and says, you can't

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Speaker 2: do this. You know, I don't think that you have

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Speaker 2: the legal right to do this, and I am blocking

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Speaker 2: all of these deportations, not just the five that the

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Speaker 2: case was originally about. The ACLU, you know, immediately expanded

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Speaker 2: their case to include all migrants who were held in detention.

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Speaker 2: Said you can't do this, and even if there is

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Speaker 2: a plane in the air, you need to turn that

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Speaker 2: plane around and bring them back.

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Speaker 4: But that does not happen.

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Speaker 2: Instead, there's reporting from Axios that says that Steven Miller

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Speaker 2: and Kirsty you know, they were apparently the ones that

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Speaker 2: all of this. They debated with lawyers like, you know,

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Speaker 2: should we go along with this court order or not?

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Speaker 4: And basically they decided not.

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Speaker 2: Now they claimed, oh, it was already in over international waters,

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Speaker 2: so you know it's out of our hands now. Of course,

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Speaker 2: this is like preposterous, and well why nonsot?

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Speaker 5: Wait?

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Speaker 1: Why, well, because do you think you take things? First

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Speaker 1: of all, look read the quote in front of you.

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Speaker 3: However, that's accomplished, whether planning is turning around or not

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Speaker 3: or not being the operative word.

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Speaker 1: Second, however, it's a complane took off.

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Speaker 3: From Texas, which immediately put it over international waters within

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Speaker 3: like ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: Those six thirty five pm.

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Speaker 3: The flight landed at El Salvador at eight thirty five pm,

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Speaker 3: making it clear that actually it was over international territory

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Speaker 3: and not over the waters of the United States. Now,

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Speaker 3: do you really believe that some federal judge here in Washington,

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Speaker 3: d C. Has the authority to tell the executive to

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Speaker 3: turn a military aircraft around?

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Speaker 1: You believe? Okay, Well, then we'll test that at the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. We will test that here's at the United

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Speaker 1: States Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: Spathetic, how do you know the criminal?

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Speaker 3: First of all, I mean this is where Look, you

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Speaker 3: said something earlier, which I think is important. You think

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Speaker 3: your country is being taken away from you because three

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Speaker 3: hundred something Venezuelan illegal immigrants were deported to El Salvador.

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Speaker 2: How do you what proof do you even have of that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, because here's here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing. They all entered the country illegally.

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Speaker 2: That's there according to the government. I mean, listen, I

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Speaker 2: think that is probably true. But here's what you're defending.

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Speaker 2: Hundreds of people who we don't know who they are,

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Speaker 2: disappeared into a foreign prison known for torture, where no

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Speaker 2: lawyers or journalists could possibly go and find out who

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Speaker 2: they are and whether the government story adds up with

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Speaker 2: zero due process. That's what you're defending, is that Trump

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Speaker 2: can summarily say these people they're gone.

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Speaker 4: I'm putting them in.

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Speaker 2: This prison and a foreign country indefinitely at my discretion,

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Speaker 2: and you don't get to say anything about it.

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Speaker 4: That's what happened here. So I just don't see anything.

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Speaker 1: You can't say anything about it. I should see.

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Speaker 3: I think you should be easily challenged to the United

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Speaker 3: State Supreme Court. And I think that within the context

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Speaker 3: of clearly the invocation of the Alien Enemies Act, from

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Speaker 3: what I've been able to review, he seems well within

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Speaker 3: his rights to be able to do this from a

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Speaker 3: state department or terrorist organization. That's not Listen, you're arguing semantics.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking no, I'm arguing the law. Are we at

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Speaker 2: war right now?

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Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't involved three times.

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Speaker 2: Look in the past of eighteen twelve, World War one,

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Speaker 2: world War two, those are the three times that's been invoked.

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Speaker 2: All three times, especially during World War two, quite shamefully

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Speaker 2: in the internment of Japanese citizens. You think it's okay

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Speaker 2: for our government to round up whoever claim their criminals

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Speaker 2: and imprison them indefinitely in a foreign prison to be tortured.

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Speaker 3: Well, that round saying to me, see, you seem much

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Speaker 3: more concerned earned about that than the importation of eight

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Speaker 3: to ten million illegal immigrants under Joe Biden. That seems

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Speaker 3: to me, my country'smen taken away. So this is what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, we can play this game all day long.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's an invasion. I think that's an

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Speaker 3: invasion eight to ten million.

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Speaker 4: But that's not what he's talking about.

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Speaker 1: But he's talking specifically about Venezuelan migrants.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, No, he's talking specifically about the.

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Speaker 4: How many people are here from trende.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, all right, that's my not even.

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Speaker 4: The roughly several hundred.

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Speaker 1: Who are we getting on CLU or from the lawyer.

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Speaker 2: From from agencies, from international agencies that track law and

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Speaker 2: order across Latin America. These are not like liberal do

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Speaker 2: good or These are people who are looking at the

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Speaker 2: spread of gangs around the world. Okay, many actually of

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Speaker 2: these people likely were fleeing violence from the very gang

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Speaker 2: that you're talking.

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Speaker 3: That's probably a convenient errative. Hold on, hold on, I

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Speaker 3: think that's a very convenient narrative.

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Speaker 2: In terms of who was brought to Guantanamo Bay. Okay,

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Speaker 2: in prison in Getmo, the Trump administration made the same

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Speaker 2: Oh these are gang members. These are the worst of

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Speaker 2: the worst. Some of them didn't even have criminal records

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Speaker 2: at all. Some of them who they claimed were in

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Speaker 2: Trende Ragua. It was because of either they were from

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Speaker 2: that state of Ragua in Venezuela and actually, like I said,

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Speaker 2: had been fleeing the violence from this gang, or they

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Speaker 2: happened to have a tattoo that made them think like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they're just in the gang. One of the people who

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Speaker 2: is who was part of this group is LGBT Venezuelan

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Speaker 2: who was in prison, according to his lawyer because of

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Speaker 2: his tattoo, was assumed to be in a gang.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're talking about here. So there is no.

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Speaker 1: Reason I see him being gay or whatever.

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Speaker 4: How is that relevant, because how do you think it's

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Speaker 4: gonna go for him? Saga, he's an artist. How do

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Speaker 4: you think this.

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Speaker 3: Is my hollowed Okay, then don't care that he's gay.

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Speaker 2: Do you care that he was wrongfully in prison and

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Speaker 2: disappeared in a foreign jail cell? And there's nothing that

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Speaker 2: anyone can do about it.

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Speaker 3: Author is a CLU lawyer. He's not a part of

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Speaker 3: the air Trendogou you truly, I'm supposed to trust some

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Speaker 3: open borders.

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Speaker 2: I believe that they rounded up in this. They successfully

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Speaker 2: rounded up every trender Iragua gang member in the country.

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Speaker 4: That's it. No, I don't mission accomplished.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: If anything, there's probably a lot more than need to

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Speaker 3: go now. This is actually what I'm saying is that

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, within the powers of

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Speaker 3: the State Department, which has declared this in ft O,

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Speaker 3: the powers within the executive are quite clear. I also

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Speaker 3: not Trump literally promised to do this on the campaign trail,

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Speaker 3: so this was one of the most telegraphed.

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Speaker 4: Okay, are you in like, are good with it? Are

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Speaker 4: you good with it?

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Speaker 1: I mean christ random people? Are you good with eight

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Speaker 1: to ten million illegal random over four years?

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Speaker 4: Changing the subject? Yes, I am. You know that I'm flying.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then are you good?

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Speaker 4: Quit changing the subject?

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Speaker 1: That's are you comfortable part of the story.

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Speaker 2: Are you comfortable with random people being snatched up?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 4: Okay, give me give me your proof.

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Speaker 1: Of what that they entered the country.

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Speaker 4: Give me your proof these are gang members?

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Speaker 3: I don't have to offer that proof, and actually even

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Speaker 3: the government doesn't necessarily have to do that either, But.

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Speaker 4: Good with that?

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Speaker 2: With what I think being able to snatch up random people.

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Speaker 1: They're not random here, you know, they're not citizens, they.

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Speaker 4: Are you're flying with okay?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the appropriate punishment for people who

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Speaker 2: were fleeing gang violence and coming here.

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Speaker 1: Seeking about a life accord gus?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that an appropriate punishment is to be

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Speaker 2: disappeared into a foreign jail cell, to be tortured indefinitely

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Speaker 2: and subjected to slave labor.

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Speaker 3: What I think is that their responsibility and safety is

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Speaker 3: the problem of the Venezuelan government, and that they can

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Speaker 3: What that these are Venezuelan nationals are actually there is

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Speaker 3: But this is where the liberal like entire concern strategy

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Speaker 1: So this is because we keep on the protection of

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Speaker 2: The Americans process where we even know who these people are.

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Speaker 4: Is there any level of cruelty you would not justify?

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Speaker 3: house these people while they're there. It is now the

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Speaker 3: problem the Venezuelan government. And by the way, actually, if

445
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Speaker 3: this does go to the US Supreme Court and they

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Speaker 3: uphold what you're saying, you know what, I'll say, Okay,

447
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Speaker 3: bring them back, go ahead, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Strike it down. You can bring them back to.

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Speaker 4: You no moral companies outside what the Supreme Court tells you.

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Speaker 4: It's okay.

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Speaker 3: You look again, this is why I think this level

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Speaker 3: of like frankly like moral where would the line udicous?

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Speaker 4: What would be too okay?

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you that how many illegals have

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Speaker 3: to murder? What's the correct number that is justifiable in

456
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Speaker 3: the crystal ball universe for the number of illegals to

457
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Speaker 3: enter the United States?

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Speaker 1: How many murders is that okay? To balance with increasing

459
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Speaker 1: economic ge.

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Speaker 4: Aware that is it?

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Speaker 2: One doocumented and documented have a lower crime rate.

462
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Speaker 1: Than the native right, so they should actually be here to.

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Speaker 4: Stop smearing them all if.

464
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Speaker 3: There shouldn't be here, then the number should be zero, correct.

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Speaker 3: I think the trustful number is zero as the number.

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Speaker 2: We need to actually have an immigration system where I

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Speaker 2: would let more people in, yes than is legally allowed now,

468
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Speaker 2: but yes, I would have borders. I would want to

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Speaker 2: know who's coming in. I would want to make sure

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Speaker 2: that criminals weren't coming in.

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Speaker 3: Well, none of that now, and I didn't see any

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Speaker 3: of this level of history onics that was happening.

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Speaker 1: Well, two hundred people are.

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Speaker 4: Sent to be tortured by our government, but they're interesting.

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Speaker 4: That's something that doesn't upset you. Like, is that not

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Speaker 4: upset you?

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Speaker 3: I don't think that they're quote unquote being tortured. I

478
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Speaker 3: think they're in a prison now. Second, again, I think

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Speaker 3: that there are tens of millions of people who crime

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Speaker 3: only entered our country, circumvented our laws. We have no

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Speaker 3: idea in the similar way that you're talking about here,

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Speaker 3: who are who are either committing crimes. Let's say it's

483
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Speaker 3: less than the native born population. Nobody knows if that's

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Speaker 3: actually true or not. But even if it is, why

485
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Speaker 3: is that acceptable number? And you think zero that is

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Speaker 3: the appropriate pology.

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Speaker 2: I think that justifies sending people to be tortured in

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Speaker 2: a foreign person.

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Speaker 1: Keep saying there's evidence in the similar way there's no evidence.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that justifies do our government claim it? No,

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Speaker 2: our government claiming the power to disappear people into a

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Speaker 2: foreign prison set.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you this.

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Speaker 3: I will I think that, considering the circumstances of the

495
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Speaker 3: election and the genuine insanity of the status quo that

496
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Speaker 3: we're in, that me, along with many people who saw

497
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Speaker 3: what Trump was running on, agreed with this idea put

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Speaker 3: forward that every power of the United States government should

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Speaker 3: be brought to bear to toport people who entered this

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Speaker 3: country illegally. So I think that is open affirmed at

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Speaker 3: the ballot box and is within this U. S.

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Speaker 4: Law.

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Speaker 2: You are good with random people we don't know who

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Speaker 2: they are, they get no due process, being smeared as

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Speaker 2: gang members we don't know, and being disappeared into a

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Speaker 2: foreign prison that is known for torture and slave labor.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, I'm just going to say, like, so

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Speaker 3: you're okay with people who are coming up, but actually answer,

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Speaker 3: ironically answer, hold on, this is acause.

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Speaker 4: We have because we had people come.

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Speaker 1: We have no idea who we had people come. That

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Speaker 1: was we need fat because we also need argument. We

513
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Speaker 1: also need some dishwashers. Company needs to build our house.

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Speaker 2: Because people with authorization, we should have fascism.

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Speaker 1: It's just it is not fat. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: This is where But where is the what would be

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Speaker 2: too cruel? What would be where you would say, you

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Speaker 2: know what, this is wrong?

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Speaker 4: You know what? There should be due process? You know

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Speaker 4: what these are?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I I don't think that they should be. I

522
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Speaker 2: don't think they should be in this country. But I

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Speaker 2: do think that we.

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Speaker 3: Deserve the not the perfect example, somebody who is here

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Speaker 3: screened by our government, not only do we know who

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Speaker 3: he was, somebody who has due process rights as a legal

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Speaker 3: permanent resident who was arrested and is being deported for

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Speaker 3: a BS free speech reason.

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Speaker 1: Perfect.

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Speaker 3: There you go say, we're I think we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about a case soon on some h one B thing.

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Speaker 3: I think the government acted outrageously on that one. On

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Speaker 3: this one. This is what you just This is what

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Speaker 3: people really don't seem to get is when you sit

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Speaker 3: there and you just justify again, how many people are

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Speaker 3: okay to just be able to come in We're supposed

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Speaker 3: to take their word for what is Oh I'm fleeing violence,

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Speaker 3: and you apparently get to stay here for twenty five

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Speaker 3: years and say it isen' ship in a job.

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Speaker 1: It's a complete bullshit circumvention of any.

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Speaker 2: Your tension is that that justifies claiming wartime powers to

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Speaker 2: disappear random people?

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Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I like how the phrasing is here.

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Speaker 3: I will interpret yours in similarly bad faith, which is

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Speaker 3: that you think it is okay for criminal illegals, pedophile,

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Speaker 3: rapist murders, all of who have been proven to have

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Speaker 3: crossed the illegally and under the various island status quo.

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Speaker 4: I am fine, and it's okay.

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Speaker 1: For them to meet here. I think they should be deported.

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Speaker 4: But but we don't know who these people are.

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Speaker 2: Because we don't know who these people are, and this

552
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Speaker 2: administration has already been caught lying about who these people are.

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Speaker 2: They've already been caught. There is zero reasons to believe them.

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Speaker 2: In the entire country, there are probably three hundred gang

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Speaker 2: members who are types internationally, like I'm telling you, there

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Speaker 2: are multiple estimates from independent groups who track gang violence

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Speaker 2: across Latin America. Their estimate is best estimate is that

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Speaker 2: there are a few hundred members of this gang. So

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Speaker 2: your faith that they got them all in this one

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Speaker 2: round up, I guess we can mission accomplished.

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Speaker 4: It's all done.

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Speaker 2: And then they brazenly defy a court order and brag

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Speaker 2: about it and celebrate it. Like I just I just don't,

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Speaker 2: I truly don't understand how that can be justified. Like,

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Speaker 2: I get your upset about the number of people came here.

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Speaker 2: We have a difference of opinion about that. That's fine,

567
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Speaker 2: But in response to that, we think it's okay to

568
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Speaker 2: just send.

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Speaker 4: A group of people to be disappeared and tortured. How

570
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Speaker 4: is that? How is that acceptable?

571
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Speaker 1: How?

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Speaker 2: How in what world is that acceptable? I mean, in

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Speaker 2: what a world is it acceptable for anyone to be torture?

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Speaker 4: Whatsoever?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think you're okay with that in general?

577
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Speaker 2: So why when it's this group of migrants, is it

578
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Speaker 2: like you could do whatever you want to And I

579
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Speaker 2: really don't care.

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Speaker 3: Well, we didn't do whatever we want to, and we

581
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Speaker 3: put them in the custo of the l Salvadorian government.

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Speaker 4: In a prison.

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Speaker 1: It's not the same.

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Speaker 2: Thing, No, we in a prison that is known for

585
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Speaker 2: torture and slavely.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you can say it again. Okay, again, it's not

587
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Speaker 3: the US who's doing this, And yes.

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Speaker 4: The US is doing it.

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Speaker 1: We facilitated their deportation.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the US contracted with Bukelli to put them

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Speaker 2: in this prison.

592
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Speaker 3: Yes, so they're in the custody the l Salvadoran government.

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Speaker 3: They were deported. I think legally, we'll find out at

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Speaker 3: the US Supreme Court. So what are you going to

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Speaker 3: say if the US Supreme Court, which I fully expect

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Speaker 3: them to uphold.

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Speaker 2: The My moral compass doesn't depend on what the Supreme

598
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Speaker 2: Court says.

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Speaker 3: He then court support the Supreme Court candidate who does.

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Speaker 4: Has had dread Scott you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a record, there is a record of

602
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Speaker 2: terrible decisions from the Supreme Court. Okay, it doesn't require

603
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Speaker 2: a Supreme Court decision to know what's right and what's wrong.

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Speaker 2: And I think to take people with their due process

605
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Speaker 2: where they don't get to make the case. Hey, I'm

606
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Speaker 2: actually just I'm seeking asylum. Here's what is Here's why

607
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Speaker 2: I have this tattoo, here's you know, I'm actually from

608
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Speaker 2: that state.

609
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: I was fleeing the gang violence.

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Speaker 2: Like that would give the government an opportunity to prove

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Speaker 2: what bad embrace these and why they deserve punishment.

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Speaker 1: Fate the testimony of the lord, like, oh he's getting again.

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Speaker 2: I take what I take is the proof previously that

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Speaker 2: this government lied, and the proof also that the fact

615
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Speaker 2: that they disappeared these people and clearly don't want us

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Speaker 2: to know who they are and don't want us to

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Speaker 2: be able to evaluate. If they were able to prove

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Speaker 2: these claims in court, then they should do it. And

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Speaker 2: even then though I mean personally I don't think people

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Speaker 2: should be tortured, but in any case, they have a

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Speaker 2: lot stronger justification for what they're doing here.

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Speaker 4: We are not at war.

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Speaker 2: This is not an invasion of two hundred gang members,

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Speaker 2: Like what are we talking about here? And if you can,

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Speaker 2: if you can claim these if this president can claim

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Speaker 2: these powers, any president can claim these powers, zero due

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Speaker 2: process rights, to just disappear whoever they want into a

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Speaker 2: jail cell in El Salvador where they are beyond the

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Speaker 2: reach of any journalists or lawyers or anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Then why that's what we're talking Why did the United

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Speaker 3: States Congress not repeal that lawt or is invothe three

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Speaker 3: times if they thought it was such a horrible threat

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Speaker 3: to do process.

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Speaker 2: I mean Listen, were when we were leading up to

635
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Speaker 2: this election, and I said I thought Trump was a

636
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Speaker 2: fascist and authoritarian. You said, I think the institution. I

637
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: think he's authoritarian, but I think the institutions will constrain him. Yeah,

638
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: where are those institutional constraints, because what we have right

639
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: now is a court ruling that the president just decided.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not going to do that. I'm just going

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Speaker 2: to go out. I mean, it was open to interpretation.

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Speaker 3: I remember you even saying previously when a judge was like, hey,

643
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Speaker 3: you need to stop all of this. But it's not,

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Speaker 3: let's say, feasible, because something is there. It's a lower

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Speaker 3: court here at the district level. It will get challenged

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Speaker 3: and it will go all the way to Scotus letus down. No,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, well, first of all, they might

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Speaker 3: be coming back, because if the Supreme Court does say

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Speaker 3: that that was illegal, then yes, the United States should

650
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Speaker 3: actually not only have to comply with that order, they

651
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Speaker 3: should fully pay bring these individuals back, and then we

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Speaker 3: can go through that. Secondly, as we said, the idea

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Speaker 3: that they're quote not complying is just not true. Put

654
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Speaker 3: B four pleas up on the screen from the White House.

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Speaker 3: The administration quote did not refuse to comply. Moreover, as

656
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Speaker 3: a Supreme Court is made repeated clear federal or sorry.

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Speaker 3: This isn't actually in a statement, but it's on the

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Speaker 3: other side. This is the only current flight that's supposedly planned,

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Speaker 3: considering that after the plane land was then over international waters,

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Speaker 3: as they're claiming, it will be adjudicated sometime soon as

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Speaker 3: to whether they're going to be held in contempt a

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Speaker 3: court or not. This is not some ongoing policy there

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Speaker 3: from the US government with respect to mass deportation flights

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Speaker 3: of every Venezuelan like you are claiming, So they are

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Speaker 3: actually complexed. This is now that the law has been

666
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Speaker 3: now that the judge of judicial courses, you may have

667
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: the similar point for the level of histronics if they

668
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: were doing it every single day for the next ten

669
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Speaker 3: years or it's our ten days, this up until it goes, but.

670
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Speaker 1: It hasn't happened.

671
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: This is not even the only court order that they

672
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: flouted in the past number of days. And a B

673
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: seven up on the screen another deportation that a judge blocked.

674
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: Judge demands Trump admin explained why a doctor was deported

675
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: despite an order. This was an doctor who was here

676
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: on an H one B visa citizen of Lebanon who

677
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: was detained at the border and deported again in spite

678
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: of the fact that there was a court order not

679
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: to mention that this comes on the heels of you know,

680
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: I mean usaid. There were all kinds of court orders saying, hey,

681
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: you gotta you have to unfreeze this money. You got

682
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: to pay these contracts. The government wouldn't do it, wouldn't

683
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: do it, wouldn't do it, wouldn't do it.

684
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: And so you have.

685
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: If you don't want to say it's open defiance because

686
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: they're still coming up with a cover story, that's fine.

687
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: But it's pretty clear from the reporting that they knew

688
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: what they were doing, They had the ability to turn

689
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: the plane around, and they just decided we're not going

690
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: to listen.

691
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Well I don't think I honestly think it's

692
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: a crazy precedent that a lower federal court judge could

693
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: be able to decide that a military aircraft can be

694
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: turned around over international water. I mean, imagine, like, what

695
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: is somebody in the middle of a bombing operation.

696
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: You're going to go to a judge and say, hey, actually,

697
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: you got.

698
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: To turn that around because would circument the very basics

699
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: of the United States government and executive authority.

700
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: Government agencies were in charge of this flight. The order

701
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: applied to those government agencies saying, no, you can't do this,

702
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: like you have to turn these planes around, says turn the.

703
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Plane around or not, and however that.

704
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: Is however it's accomplished.

705
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: So if there's a plane in there and then you

706
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: have to turn it around, like and they and again

707
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: the reporting from in the room is that like they

708
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: knew that they had a choice, and they thought they

709
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: had they decided they get they decided that they were

710
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: just not going to listen. I think that this is

711
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: a new chapter in what our country is. If you

712
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: can just claim claim we're at war and use it

713
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: to just crush whoever's rights you want and send people

714
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: to foreign prison cell with the expectation that they will

715
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: be tortured and held indefinitely, I think that's wrong.

716
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think the rorshack test here is that

717
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: I think the last four years were ten times more

718
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: outrageous than any potential implications of this.

719
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Speaker 1: You were okay with it. I was not.

720
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Speaker 3: The people decided to vote for somebody who thought they

721
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Speaker 3: wanted to have deportation.

722
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we had a situation again.

723
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Speaker 4: But this isn't about the deportivation, but.

724
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: It really is actually about.

725
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 4: Getting rid of all the laws.

726
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: And this is about saying, you know, taking people, we

727
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: have no proof of who they are.

728
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: And does it not make you think the fact that

729
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the border crossings have dropped now

730
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: under the Trump administration, despite the fact that there were no.

731
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: News that was before they did this might need to

732
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: do it.

733
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Speaker 3: Is that not evidence that Joe Biden was genuinely did

734
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: have some executive authority to quash whatever was going on

735
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 3: the comp The story that we were told was that

736
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: he was fully enforcing and complying with the law when

737
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: eight to ten million people were allowed to enter our

738
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: country illegally. The Trump administration has not, even in violation

739
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: of any executive order or any judicial authority that I

740
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: know of today, has been able to implement remain in

741
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: Mexico and other policy to facilitating ninety nine percent drop.

742
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 3: We didn't have to be doing any of the stuff

743
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 3: we are right now if we had a previous president

744
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: who didn't allow all these people.

745
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: But we don't, many of whom many of whom didn't

746
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: commit crime.

747
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Speaker 2: We don't have to be doing this, but we we

748
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: didn't have to be doing We don't have to be

749
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: doing this now. Well, I mean, so you don't think

750
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: it's it who is making.

751
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, You don't think it's

752
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: an urgent crisis that there are eight to ten million

753
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: people who were illegally. I do, and I think a

754
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 3: lot of voters certainly agreed that was the number one

755
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: or two reasons a lot of people.

756
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Speaker 1: And you think that trumpet the ballot box.

757
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: Okay, and so let me just be clear. You think

758
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: that that quote unquote crisis justifies getting rid of civil

759
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: rights claiming wartime authorities and you know, rounding people up

760
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: without us knowing who they are or what they have

761
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: quote unquote supposedly done, having a chance to defend themselves

762
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: in court. You think it justifies a suspension of core

763
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: civil rights. And you know, again, it's that the discretion

764
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: of like Trump and Christin Knowman and Steven Miller whoever

765
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: they want to round up and make a show of.

766
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Speaker 3: If this were applied to let's say five million people

767
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: and their government was openly defying an order continually as

768
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: this were happening. I may share a similar level of

769
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: your concern, But we are talking here about two to

770
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: three hundred people, at the very least many of which

771
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: are gang members.

772
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: You know that illegally a single one of them is

773
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: a gang.

774
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: Well, you don't know that it.

775
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: Even or not all right, and so like. That's my

776
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: point is that at the end of the day, and

777
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: you know what, that's the word for it. Unfortunately none

778
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: of us know because they entered the country illegal.

779
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: None of us know because they were denied to process

780
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: after the country and they were journalists or lawyers to

781
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: be able to access them.

782
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: You again, you seem to think that we should provide

783
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: and have the same level of concern as a country

784
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 3: for people who violated our laws who come here.

785
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: Yes, I think, yes, I believe humans deserve human rights.

786
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: That's true. I think that human You don't know.

787
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: I think that the United States has a sole obligation

788
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: to look out for the interests of its US citizens.

789
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: Okay, a soul.

790
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: So that means no one else human rights matter.

791
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: No, that's not what I said.

792
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: What I said is that at the end of the day,

793
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 3: the government and national sovereignty demand that citizens have control

794
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 3: over their country, we lived in a status quo where

795
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: that was basically violate, And you think that this vagrantly.

796
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: For claiming, this quashing of rights is necessary to achieve

797
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: that goal, and you think that that's worth it. I mean,

798
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: I just think when you have a situation like this,

799
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: it's just two hundred people, So who really cares what

800
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: happens to them? Like, do you understand that if it

801
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: is upheld at supreme, we aren't just talking about a

802
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: few hundred people. It will be, however many people they

803
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: want it to be who are sent to this you know,

804
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: torture chamber in El Salvador.

805
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the plan.

806
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: Actually a lot of this is also to pressure the

807
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 3: Maduro government to accept its own citizens, which it refuses

808
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: to do.

809
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: This is look, I.

810
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: Think that the philosophical argument in all of this really

811
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 3: gets back to what do you think that the government's

812
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: purpose is. You seem to think that the America is

813
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: like some transnational No.

814
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 4: I think the governments, which is supposed.

815
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: To be just be pie in the sky and we're

816
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: supposed to be I think I don't think that the

817
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: interests of all of these criminal leaders.

818
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I don't I think that people have

819
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: civil rights, including people, by the way, and this is

820
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: true who are here who are undocumented. It certainly applies

821
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: to people who are visa holders and who are legal

822
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: permanent residents. And I think that our government should be

823
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: in the business of following the law and also of

824
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: preserving civil and human rights.

825
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that that is.

826
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: I think when we let go of that, I think

827
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: that can quickly go to a very scary place.

828
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Speaker 1: I just don't think that that's true.

829
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Speaker 2: And that's why I can't just hand wave away. Oh

830
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: it's just two hundred people, So who really the hell

831
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: cares what happens.

832
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 3: I had to listen to four years of leftists talking

833
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: about Joe Biden, and then in that time period I

834
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 3: hear to fire the Supreme Court, fire the parliamentarian, forget

835
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: about norms. We need to legalize weed by executive order.

836
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: We need to make it so that Harvard kids get

837
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: free student loans. I mean, come on, have I not

838
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: been listening to Brianna Joy Gray and all these people

839
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 3: talking about this for years.

840
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: They never cared then, because that was for ends that.

841
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: You thought were justified. This is a similar way. It

842
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: is a crisis according to the government and the United States, populace,

843
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: I would say, considering how the election happened, those elections

844
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: have consequences, considering they literally said he was going to

845
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: do it and then invoke the same law to facilitate that.

846
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: That is genuinely not only a matter of what of

847
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: doing what you said you were going to do, But

848
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: beyond that, when you think at the basic level of

849
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: where the concern and all that should come from, it

850
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: is just obvious and clear to me that your concern

851
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: falls with protecting I mean, actually, you know, is this lookout.

852
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: For due process?

853
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: Suppose it due process rights of criminal illegal gang aliens

854
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: present in the United States, as opposed to the eight

855
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: to ten million people who enter the country illegally. I

856
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 3: will think that the latter is a bigger problem every

857
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: single day of the week. If we lived in a

858
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: perfect world, do I think that they would have published

859
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 3: the dossier of all the individual names, et cetera.

860
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, we process here all day long.

861
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 4: I'm not critic.

862
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think this is what would

863
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: you say if you think? Do you think this is

864
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: moral and right?

865
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Speaker 3: Do I think it is moral and right in what

866
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 3: sense to deport people who are here present illegally.

867
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: Yes, I do know, not to deport them, to send

868
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: them to this person.

869
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: I think it is I think it is right to

870
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: facilitate a mass deportation of the people enter this country.

871
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: Illegally, something I think it is moral right, and I

872
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 2: think that I think it is going right to send

873
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: these two hundred and fifty people to an El Salvador

874
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: prison that is known for torture, with.

875
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: No evidence that there are evidence that they're being tortured, I.

876
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: Said, and I said very carefully, an El Salvador prison known.

877
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Speaker 1: For torture, that they should be sent there.

878
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 4: Do you think that is?

879
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: You think it is moral and right for two hundred

880
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: and fifty people with no due process rights to be

881
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: flown to be kept in this El Salvador prison known

882
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: for torture.

883
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: Yes, you know why because I think it falls within

884
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: the government purview and the promise of the government that

885
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: was made by our currently democratically elected president to do

886
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: everything in power to make sure that people who enter

887
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: the country illegally are deported and.

888
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: At the end, so everything, so everything in their power.

889
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 2: So if that meant we were going to just lie,

890
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: it's you know, Venezuela won't take them back and the

891
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: prison and El Salvador is full. So now we're just

892
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: going to line them up and firing squad.

893
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: We're just going to that's a ridiculous state.

894
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: No, it's not because you said it's going to be.

895
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 4: You know, they can do whatever.

896
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: It's actually not within their powers.

897
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: Okay, the point, but what but they're they're claiming these

898
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: wartime powers, right, so you know if if you say, okay,

899
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: well there they have the right to do whatever they

900
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: possibly can to facilitate this. Like where is the line

901
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: of what would be too far of where you would say,

902
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: you know what that is? That is against my moral compass,

903
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: that is too cruel, that is wrong. And even if

904
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: there was some legal, you know, legal fig leaf that

905
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: they could claim that, you would say that was too far.

906
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I think you just named it. And I'm not for

907
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: mass murder.

908
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 4: I'm not for it, But you're for you're okay with

909
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 4: if they get tortured.

910
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: Well, no, I didn't say I'm okay with their getting tortured.

911
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that I'm okay with deportation. And

912
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, what happens outside the borders.

913
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: Let's say we send them to Venezuela, which apparently is

914
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: so horrible as you're saying. And we deport them to

915
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 3: Venezuela and the Venezuelan government tortures them. Are we called

916
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: criminally responsible for that or moral responsible?

917
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 4: That's ludicrous photograph. You have to see the no no, no no.

918
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: I actually don't because we're.

919
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: Not contracted with the El Salvador government. We made an

920
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: intentional choice to send them to this.

921
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Okay, but whys ability?

922
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: Let's say we send them back to Maduro, they get

923
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: off the plane and Maduro shoots him in the head.

924
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: Is that supposedly?

925
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 4: I mean, personally, I think that they should.

926
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: That people who are here, you're allowed to stay.

927
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: Should be able to claim asylum and continue with the

928
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: temporary protected stats that they've had Venezuela, Haiti and a

929
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: lot of other places.

930
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: Absolute vast majority of these people have bullshit asylum claims

931
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: of which they are adjudicated.

932
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: Yes, how are we supposed to adjudicate that? Right now?

933
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: Where currently there are forty seven thousand beds for ICE

934
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: which are already a complete capacity to even facilitate deportation.

935
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: There are five almost million.

936
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: Surge immigration judges, so that you have increased capacity to

937
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: be able to adjudicate asylum claims.

938
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: So and in the interim, what happens they get to

939
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: stay here illegally, Yes, exactly, which at the end of

940
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 3: the day you think that's fine.

941
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that's yeah. Yeah, and luckily and the

942
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: vast majority of people do not agree with it.

943
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: And you think, though, in response to that, that it's

944
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: okay to not just to support them, but to send

945
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: them to this prison with the expectation that they're likely.

946
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 4: To be tortured.

947
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you can say that you're not going to

948
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: put words in my mouth I am for a deportation,

949
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: but again I do. This is why I find this

950
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: incredibly tiresome. At the end of the day, you were fine.

951
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: Not just you, many liberal Democrats and others facilitated the

952
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: greatest social experiment in modern American history. Let's increase the

953
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: foreign born population, the vast majority of them illegal immigrants,

954
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: of who we have no idea who these people are.

955
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: They're coming over here, many are committing crimes, and then

956
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: we'll just decide that we are going to pretend none

957
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: of it ever happened, that actually we're for border security

958
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: or increased immigration.

959
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: Judges that's another question. Why do you now want.

960
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: Orderly deportation when you were fine with disorderly or disorderly

961
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: mass migration. If that is the case, then this is

962
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 3: an explicit acknowledgment that the previous status quo was both

963
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: outrageous and was genuinely detrimental to the interests of the

964
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: United States. But since they're here now they have to stay.

965
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 3: It's all convoluted and it makes no sense.

966
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: Okay, this is.

967
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Depoor tastes of people who are here illegal, but.

968
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: The specifics matter of how it's done.

969
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: Would you not say?

970
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 4: Well, and so what.

971
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying in my definition on Pacific is pretty different.

972
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: Can we can disagree very much on what the proper

973
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: levels of migration are and how that should be handled,

974
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: et cetera. Now where you are where we are, and

975
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: there's a question of how you respond. One way to

976
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: respond is to use the actual, like normal legal tools

977
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: available and avail yourself of those while maintaining civil rights

978
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: in the country. The other one is the one that

979
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: Trump has chosen here to claim wartime authority when we're

980
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: not at war and to summarily deport people that we

981
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: don't know who they are. In defiance of a court

982
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: order to a foreign prison where they are likely to

983
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: be tortured. There was nothing about what led up to

984
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: this that necessitated that reaction.

985
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: I think that it is again very tiresome and hypocritical,

986
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: especially coming from people who I know I wanted Joe

987
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: Biden to use extraordinary interpretations of.

988
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 4: Did I want Joe Biden to torture people you didn't

989
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 4: want to?

990
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: Did I want Joe Biden random Did I want Joe

991
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: Biden to randomly disappear people into a prison somewhere where

992
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: no lawyer can or journalists can reach them to figure

993
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: out who the hell they are what's happened?

994
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: No, of course I did.

995
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: Yes, you only want them to mass legalize marijuana, which

996
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: they didn't have the power to do, or to write

997
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: off student.

998
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: You really see the difference between like legalizing marijuana and

999
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: torturing people. I mean, these are two like qualitatively very

1000
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: different things I underlook.

1001
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: I think that the central problem is that you really

1002
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: think that you're just morally correct in this one. And

1003
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's a legal question

1004
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: which is both up to the Supreme Court and a

1005
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: popular question can be in which the vast majority of

1006
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 3: people do not question with the position that you hold.

1007
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: It can be both a legal question and a moral question.

1008
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine.

1009
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 3: I think that if you want to hold that opinion,

1010
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: I think that's perfectly fine. You made that opinion clear.

1011
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: Many people have hold your opinion, have held that clear.

1012
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Luckily.

1013
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: I think it's been destroyed at the ballot box correctly,

1014
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: because it is one that is both detrimental to our

1015
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: country and genuinely just ridiculous and falls apart on its

1016
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: own logical phrase.

1017
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 4: Remember Trump saying that he was going to send.

1018
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: Me literally alien I don't think.

1019
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: I don't remember Trump running on shipping random people to

1020
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: a foreign prison to be tortured somehow. I don't remember

1021
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: that being a core part of his pitch. But you

1022
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: know what, even if it was, and even if people

1023
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: voted for that, again, there are certain things that have

1024
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: been popular throughout our history that were wrong, and I

1025
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: think that it's important to say that at the time

1026
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: when it's unpopular. I think it's important to be able

1027
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: to see those things and to call them out in

1028
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: real time. Japanese internment being one of them, being the

1029
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: last time that.

1030
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 4: Big law was ultimately used.

1031
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 3: That's a huge diff fence Kormatsu, the Supreme Court decision

1032
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 3: and Japanese in tournament was used against citizens of them.

1033
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: But the Supreme Court said it was fine, So it

1034
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: wasn't it fine? People voted for it, and the Supreme

1035
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: Court though it was every time.

1036
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm so righted about it, and the Supreme Court also

1037
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: has apologized or reversed its own decision on that. I'm

1038
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: not saying that it's a perfect institution or that any

1039
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: of these things are good and bad, however.

1040
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: But isn't it possible to have a separate moral judgment

1041
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: outside of what the electoral results said and the Supreme

1042
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: Court been upholding them.

1043
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: Yes, of course there is.

1044
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: I just don't think that this is the similar situation

1045
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: in any way, and I think that you're ignoring the

1046
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: broader context which led to this entire thing, of which, frankly,

1047
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: in my opinion, is far more morally reprehensible. Is to

1048
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 3: let in so many people with no idea who they are,

1049
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: many of whom commit crimes, and then to just sit

1050
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 3: and only get outraged whenever a popular revolt against that happens,

1051
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: and have to know outrightage I am there at the

1052
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: time of which I know that there was none on

1053
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: your part, and definitely on rage.

1054
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: I am outraged by the idea that government could claim

1055
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: such broad powers and that all of us could be

1056
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: subject to their whims.

1057
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 3: And you know, I think what we also were United

1058
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: States citizens is just not remotely common.

1059
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: I think what we've seen is I don't think that's true.

1060
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: And here's look, I think what we've already seen with

1061
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: the case, for example of Mackmoud Khalil is it's like, okay,

1062
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: started off with you know, they thought he was a

1063
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: student visa holder. It turns out he's a legal permanent resident,

1064
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, but he's still not an American citizen. Well,

1065
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: now they're investigating all power or the ones at Columbia

1066
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: as being the pro Palestine protest as being terrorism. Well,

1067
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: that is very much about American citizens. And so that's

1068
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: you know, number one, Yes, I do care about human rights.

1069
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: But they're not What do you mean they're American citizens

1070
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 3: at Columbia. You're saying they're investigating people there.

1071
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: For yes, they're investigating what. No, they're investigating whether the

1072
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: pro Palestine protests that happen on Columbia constitute terrorism, with

1073
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: the implication being that anyone who was involved with them

1074
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: could be charged with crimes related to terrorism. So my

1075
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: point is that when when civil rights are violated, it

1076
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: doesn't just stay in one corner, It doesn't just stay

1077
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: with this group that you happen to feel comfortable with.

1078
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: And yes, by the way, I do think, you know,

1079
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: torture is wrong, and I do think due process is

1080
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: the way things should be done, so that the government

1081
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: has to prove the claims that it's making in court.

1082
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: And I think it's outrageous that you know that that

1083
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: didn't happen in this instance. And I don't care that

1084
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: it was just two hundred people that were disappeared into

1085
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: a foreign prison without any due process whatsoever. So and

1086
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 2: nor do I think that it stops there, like they're

1087
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: going to court to try to be able to pursue

1088
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: this path continuously, you know, And and so yeah, that's

1089
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: I think that this is a I think this is

1090
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 2: a very frightening authoritarian, fascist power grab. And I think

1091
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: that our institutions have not only proven inadequate to be

1092
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: able to stem the tide, but also the Trump administration

1093
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: clearly uses whatever opportunities they can to defy court orders

1094
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: and pursue their own ambitions here.

1095
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: I think that I understand where you're coming from, and

1096
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 3: I could see how people liberals or whatever could feel

1097
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 3: that way. What I would ask again is to see

1098
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: how did we get to this extraordinary situation, and you

1099
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: should make some serious political calculus, in my opinion, to

1100
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: look to the past and to not call out many

1101
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: of the outrages that have happened and the status quo

1102
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: changed that Joe Biden and many other liberals facilitated by

1103
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: allowing so many people here illegally and then to just

1104
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: you know, cry tears whenever the logical consequence of that

1105
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 3: comes to bear. It just seems, you know, very rewriting

1106
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: of history, and one where it's also it fits very well,

1107
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 3: I think with my AOC point of the future, when

1108
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: she was creaming and crying in front of those deportation

1109
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 3: facilities under Donald Trump and went viral, or whenever her

1110
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: fist was raised and she was justifying theft and crime

1111
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: during BLM, they thought, as you did, that they were

1112
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 3: morally correct, as you feel out in this moment that

1113
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: not only was a rejected at the ballot box, but

1114
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: it was one that both actually led to worse outcomes

1115
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: because what did Biden do Yes, Even with all of

1116
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: this mass allowing of people in, he continued many policies

1117
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: from the Trump administration, of which they fell silent then

1118
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: at that time. So it became clear that this is

1119
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: not true moral standards or whatever. It's about political convenience.

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00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 3: And throughout the through line of all of this comes

1121
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 3: back to the status quo was irrevocably changed under Biden.

1122
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: It became not only a popular but I think an

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00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: imminent and dangerous thing to the fabric of the United States.

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00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: You just allow these mass criminal illegals here. We have

1125
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: no idea who they are. The vast majority of them

1126
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 3: don't speak any English, The vast majority of them don't

1127
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: have any idea occasion. They have no able or you know,

1128
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: real ability to fit into the US economy beyond the

1129
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: service sector, which you know that seems a little bit

1130
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 3: demeaning to me, and was not only affirmed but then

1131
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: used to the best of their abilities their powers the

1132
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: government to facilitate deportation. And the crazy thing is you

1133
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: and I are arguing is if ten million people are

1134
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: being deported tomorrow, that's not what happened at all.

1135
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: All of this court order is being complied with today,

1136
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: they're not continuing to It's going to go to the

1137
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: US Supreme Court.

1138
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: All of this will face judicial scrutiny the Supreme Court orias,

1139
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 3: and will come back.

1140
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: I'll sit here and I'm relatively.

1141
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 3: Certain the government would comply with that order that would

1142
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: bring these people back, and then this alien enemies with

1143
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 3: this alien enemies thing will go through the legal process.

1144
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: But the point is is that all of this, I

1145
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: think again comes back to a dramatic change to our country,

1146
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 3: of which I think you were fine with and I

1147
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: think many others were, and then are shocked at the

1148
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: genuine consequences of what that means when it interacts with.

1149
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: Them not have what does he not have agency in

1150
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: how he responds to things, Like you want to say,

1151
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: this is like somehow Biden's fault that Trump decided that

1152
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: Trump decided that he was going to use a wartime

1153
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: power grab in order to facilitate the summary deportation of

1154
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: migrants into a foreign torture chamber like Trump.

1155
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 4: That is on Trump.

1156
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: Now you can object to how Biden handled migration, and

1157
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: that's fine, but it still is on Trump the way

1158
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: that he responds to that situation, and he responded with

1159
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: authoritarian power grab and defiance of the courts and disappearing

1160
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: hundreds of people that he claims are gang members with

1161
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: zero proof and with a lot of proof in the

1162
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: other direction, in order to be tortured in a foreign

1163
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: person cell.

1164
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: Okay, that's on him.

1165
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 3: I don't think that, well, you know what, You're right,

1166
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: it is on him. It will face legal scrutiny. I

1167
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: think it will also if you totally disagree with it.

1168
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: People are welcome to run for office and to revert

1169
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 3: if you want to bring all these people back, you know, Okay,

1170
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: be my guest if you win the if you win

1171
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: the election. But I mean, at a certain point, it

1172
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: is one of those where I don't think it's deniable

1173
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: that not only was this something that was literally promised

1174
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: to do, that was telegraphed that I think falls within

1175
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: the bounds of legal scrutiny of the way that it

1176
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: was carried out, and which one is genuinely addressing a

1177
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: real problem that is facing the US. I just think

1178
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: the biggest difference between us right now is that you

1179
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: think that previous one was not actually a problem or

1180
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: was extremely diminishable and is not one which requires extraordinary action,

1181
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: and I'm somebody who does I think that that was

1182
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: genuinely affirmed at the ballot box. Not only that, but

1183
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: falls within the bounds of where a government scrutiny can

1184
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: And it's just going to have to be not even

1185
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: in an agree or disagree situation, it is going to

1186
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 3: be one where I genuinely am curious not only to

1187
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 3: see how the Supreme Court handles this decision. And if

1188
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: the government does openly flout that U let's say, they

1189
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: refuse to bring them back or they continue to do this,

1190
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 3: then I think we will be in a very similar

1191
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: situation to the one that you're describing as some sort

1192
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: of like imminent crisis. But I just don't think that

1193
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: we're there yet, and I don't think that we are

1194
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: going to get there. I don't think so, not the

1195
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 3: way that this is all currently being handled.

1196
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: All Right, So we argued about that for a really

1197
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 2: long time. So we're going to skip a couple of things.

1198
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: The ECON and the Israel block are both going we'll

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Speaker 2: get to those tomorrow, but we wanted to update on Yemen,

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Speaker 2: so let's go ahead and get to that.

1201
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: So the United States has decided to start bombing Yemen

1202
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: again for what purpose, Well, we'll get to that. So

1203
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: they released some video of the latest operation that Donald

1204
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: Trump ordered in retaliation against the Hoothy's disruption of shipping lanes.

1205
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: Let's go and put this on the screen.

1206
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: You can see that this was released from Scentcom Operations

1207
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: firing multiple missiles and projectiles onto Yemen, targeting hoo They leadership,

1208
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 3: including the use there of the US aircraft carrier.

1209
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: Which is in the region.

1210
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: These were some of the videos from Yemen that actually

1211
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: came out showing the strikes. The retaliation was ordered by

1212
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: Trump for these attacks on shipping lanes. Let's go and

1213
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: put this up there on the screen. Released from Trump's

1214
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 3: truth social account today, I have ordered the United States

1215
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: military to launch decisive and powerful military action against the

1216
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 3: Houthi terrorists and Yemen.

1217
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: They have waged an unrelenting.

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00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: Campaign of piracy, violence, and terrorism against the US and

1219
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: other ships, aircrafts, and drones. Now, the problem with this

1220
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 3: is the assumption that apparently you think you can deal

1221
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: with this Houthi problem with just bombs and missiles alone.

1222
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: In fact, Jeremy Skahell flags something which is genuinely incredible

1223
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 3: to me, which is that just in the last thirty years,

1224
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 3: the US has used more missiles for quote, air defense

1225
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: in combat against the Houthies since October twenty twenty three

1226
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: then it used in all the years from Desert Storm

1227
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: in the nineteen nineties. So we have not only bombarded

1228
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 3: Yemen just ourselves in retaliation for these hoo They attacks.

1229
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: It's also ignoring that the Saudis did not bomb Yemen

1230
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: for what five straight years as supplied by the United States,

1231
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 3: causing who knows untold amounts of death. The problem that

1232
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: they assume is that there's a military solution to this

1233
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: entire problem, and instead they refuse to pursue a diplomatic solution,

1234
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: one which had been working whenever there was a real

1235
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 3: Ceasemirre and Gaza, there's no Hoothi attacks. Now their argument

1236
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: there is, oh, we're allowing blackmail. It's like, well, absent

1237
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 3: a literal US combat invasion of Yemen, which I don't

1238
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: think is worth it, this is the only option we

1239
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: have diplomacy, or we could have ceasefire policy, but instead

1240
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: we've decided to just basically like flex the muscles and

1241
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 3: all that. And people are saying, oh, are you arguing

1242
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: against the legitimacy of the operation. No, that's not what

1243
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: we're saying. What we're saying is we tried this. We

1244
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: tried it at a bunch of different times. All of

1245
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: this has been tried by Obama, tried by Biden, by Trump,

1246
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: at Trump last time around. We're almost eight years to

1247
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: the day since Trump launched a combat invasion in our

1248
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: combat operation in Yemen in the first term, and in

1249
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: that time period, the status quo has not only changed,

1250
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: it's actually gotten worse for our overall interests. The only

1251
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: time that anything is stopped has been a diplomatic solution

1252
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: in Gaza, and it's increasingly clear that there are huge

1253
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: headwinds in the diplomatic solution, in the diplomatic solution way

1254
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: against both from the Israelis and sections of our own government,

1255
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: that are going to make it less likely that we

1256
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 3: pursue that, and in that event, we're going to have

1257
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: more problems in.

1258
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: The Middle East.

1259
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Trump's statement here is also very misleading because actually,

1260
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: there haven't been US ships that have been targeted by

1261
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: the who thies ever since that ceasefire was instituted. I mean,

1262
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: this is the thing they always the media and the

1263
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: administration always tries to hide the ball, and both this

1264
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: one and the last one, by the way, which is

1265
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: that the Huthis have been very clear this is a

1266
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: response to the Israeli assault and genocide in Gaza. So

1267
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: when the ceasefire was on, guess what, there were no

1268
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: hoothy attacks, not on US ships, not on Israelis ships,

1269
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: et cetera. What has changed is not only has that

1270
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: ceasefire broken down israel Is bombing in Gaza, but more specifically,

1271
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: they are blocking humanitarian aid. They have reinstituted, with our support,

1272
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: the total and complete siege of Gaza. So the who

1273
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: Thi's that? Okay, well, this is how we're going to respond.

1274
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: Not even actually I don't think they directly originally threatened

1275
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: US ships. It was we're going to you know, we're

1276
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: going to resume our threats versus Israeli ships. And so,

1277
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: you know, rather than us coming in and say, okay, well,

1278
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: let's get back to the ceasefire and let's actually pursue

1279
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: the ceasefire that the Trump administration negotiated. And by the way,

1280
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: age should be able to get into Gaza. You should

1281
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: be you know, collectively punishmenting and starving an entire population. Instead,

1282
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: we decided to effectively do Israel's bidding here and bomb

1283
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: the Houthies now, putting our own ships at risk. The

1284
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: Houthis have claimed retaliation, sort of unconfirmed whether they were

1285
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: successful in that or not, but there's no doubt that

1286
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: our ships, and they're saying both military now and commercial

1287
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: flagged ships are at risk in this passage. In addition,

1288
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to gloss over the damage that our

1289
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: strikes did. You know, Yemen is the poorest country in

1290
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: the region. Capital city Sana is very you know, this

1291
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: is a beleaguered area to begin with, and the strikes

1292
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: reportedly killed thirty one people injured over one hundred more,

1293
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: most of them were women and children. Not a lot

1294
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: of indication that it was like, you know, super precise

1295
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: military targeting. There were certain civilian targets that were hit.

1296
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: There's a claim that a cancer hospital was hit as

1297
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: part of these as part of these strikes. So you know,

1298
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: the US is being accused by the Houthies of committing

1299
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: war crimes here as well, but all in the service

1300
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: not even of our own interests, but to back up

1301
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: the Israelis in their desire to continue this season and

1302
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 2: blockade of the Gaza strip.

1303
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's put D four up on the screen. This

1304
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: was from the who these they said quote regarding the

1305
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 3: implementation the operation was in response to the US aggression

1306
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: that targeted several government directorates with more than forty seven

1307
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 3: air strikes, and then put D five up there as

1308
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: well in terms of them vowing retaliation against the United States.

1309
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: I mean, look, do we think that they're going to

1310
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: sink an aircraft carrier? Yeah, probably not, But are they

1311
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 3: going to require more anti ship missiles or other things

1312
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: used on behalf of the United States? And the problem,

1313
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: as we again have shown, is that we have tried

1314
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 3: the full court military press solution here.

1315
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: That's what Biden tried to do. He tried to solve

1316
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: this at the time.

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Speaker 3: You can't really deny that, to be honest, considering the

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Speaker 3: number of munitions and the number of bombing runs and

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Speaker 3: retaliations and all that were.

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Speaker 1: To restore global shipping.

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Speaker 3: We simply don't have the ability unless we literally occupy Yemen.

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Speaker 3: So at this point it just comes back to me

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Speaker 3: that they're basically falling into the same trap where yeah,

1324
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Speaker 3: it's convenient to bomb them and just be like yeah, okay,

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01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, we tried or whatever, and then we just

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Speaker 3: keep doing this like tit for tat approach. It's not

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Speaker 3: getting us anywhere. We have the same economic consequences, the

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: same military issues as well. I mean, you know, we

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 3: never talk about this, but every time you fire one

1330
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Speaker 3: of these projectiles it costs a million bucks or a

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01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 3: million five for what reason. You don't remember when we

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Speaker 3: shot down all those missiles on Israel's behalf. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it costs over a billion dollars just in that single operation,

1334
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Speaker 3: not to mention the depleting of stocks for what purpose,

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01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: not hours last time I checked. So it just continues

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Speaker 3: where when you continue to like fall in this direction,

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Speaker 3: you're not moving forward to any solution which is in

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Speaker 3: any way both acceptable to the people who are firing

1339
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Speaker 3: the missiles who get a say, not saying it's a

1340
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 3: good thing, but they have a say as long as

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Speaker 3: they have that ability without us being able to change

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Speaker 3: that unless we pursue a diplomatic course in Gosam, which

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether that's going to happen or not.

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Speaker 3: That's a whole other can of worms here, but this

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 3: would be more evidence to me that that should be

1347
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Speaker 3: pursued and unfortunately, will probably be taken in the opposite direction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the point about cost is an important one

1349
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: right now at a moment when this government, this administration

1350
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: is supposedly pursuing this path of usterity. So it's like,

1351
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: we don't have money to send out all the Social

1352
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: Security checks, but we do have money for We always

1353
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: have money for us. This money just magically falls out

1354
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: of the sky. It's never any problem funding these sorts

1355
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: of things. And by the way, if you look at

1356
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 2: the Doge, there's a chart out there of like the

1357
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: contracts they've canceled. Next to none of them have been

1358
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: from the Pentagon, I believe. Of their claimed savings, it's

1359
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: zero point zero five percent came out of the Pentagon,

1360
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: which no surprise given that Elon is one of the

1361
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: Pentagon's larger subcontractors.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, I'm sure you've got some looks here

1364
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: more at Elon anti semitism, Crystal, what are you taking

1365
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Speaker 3: a look at?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you had to sketch a portrait of the

1367
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: ideal type of person to be your neighbor or your

1368
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: community member, your fellow citizen, you'd be hard pressed to

1369
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: find a more compelling resume than that of Mackmoud Khalil.

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01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 4: He was born into a refugee camp in Syria.

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01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: He defied the odds to ascend to one of America's

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01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: pre eminent Ivy League universities, met the woman of his

1373
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: dreams while leading a group of volunteers, including some Americans,

1374
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: to educate displaced Syrian children who were in Lebanon. He

1375
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: had just completed a master's of public administration. He was

1376
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: all set to settle into his new life at a

1377
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: new job and as a new father. He and his wife,

1378
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: an American dentist raised in Michigan named Nor, are expecting

1379
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: in April. Even more telling of his character are the

1380
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: little anecdotes offered by friends and fellow students who submitted

1381
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: letters to the court, which paint an image of Khalil

1382
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: that is the polar opposite of what the government would

1383
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: want you to believe about him. So the government says,

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01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: he supports from us well. An American Jewish woman who

1385
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: believes in the importance of Israel as a Jewish homeland

1386
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: told the court quote, I can state with full confidence

1387
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: Machmud has never expressed the port for hamas the government

1388
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: says his activities fuel anti Semitism.

1389
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 4: Another Jewish student told the court that on.

1390
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: The contrary, when a protester veered into anti Semitic rhetoric,

1391
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: Machmud was the first person to object and to intervene. Now,

1392
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: Mackmud himself went out of his way to tell CNN

1393
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: that his goal was to uplift both Jewish and Palestinian people,

1394
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: saying he saw the liberation of the two peoples as intertwined. Quote,

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01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 2: you cannot achieve one without the other. The government, in

1396
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: attempting to remove Mackmud, is saying he would be a

1397
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: detriment to our society at large. Now, in my personal opinion,

1398
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 2: you see a person's character in the way that they

1399
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: treat the people around them in day to day life.

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01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 2: Letters to the court say that Machmud is the kind

1401
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 2: of guy who would bring the doorman in his building chicken, tea,

1402
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: fruit and cake to help him break his fast during Ramadan,

1403
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: That he built community with fellow Jewish students attending Shabbad

1404
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: at their homes. That he was engaged in American political life.

1405
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: He was looking forward to being able to vote and

1406
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: to participate. Look, maybe the government uncovered some secret life

1407
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: that's going to turn the impression that many of his

1408
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: classmates and friends shared of a conscientious activist committed to

1409
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: tolerance and non violence on its head.

1410
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 4: But frankly, I'd be surprised.

1411
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: The worst thing the Internet has been able to unearth

1412
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: is a video of him flipping off a camera, a

1413
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: great American tradition, but actually the government demonization of the

1414
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 2: clean cut Khalil is a perfect emblem of the up

1415
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: and down left his right way that they have approached

1416
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: their authoritarian crackdown here because at the core of their

1417
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: current illiberal power grab is the weaponization of the liberal

1418
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: value of anti bagratry and specifically anti Semitism. They are

1419
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: stripping the rights of all freedom loving people, citizen and

1420
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 2: non in the US in the name of targeting anti Semitism.

1421
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: They've taken the authoritarian bent in Wolkism and cancel culture

1422
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: at its worst and turned it up to full fascism. Now,

1423
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: if you think you're safe because you trust this present,

1424
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: or maybe you hold the correct opinions on this issue,

1425
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 2: think again. When rights are taken, they're taken from all.

1426
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: And the trumpetman has already moved from threatening foreign students

1427
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: to threatening American citizens in a single week.

1428
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 4: It is truly chilling. In addition to.

1429
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 2: Their arrest of Khalil, consider the sweep of their power

1430
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: grap around anti semitism. In just the past ten days.

1431
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: They stripped four hundred million dollars in funding from Colombia

1432
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: and placed its Middle Eastern Studies department in receivership, while

1433
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: completely ignoring laws requiring notification investigation in those guarding academic freedom.

1434
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 2: They sent letters to sixty other universities threatening similar crackdowns

1435
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 2: if they do not comply with vague demands to effectively

1436
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: combat anti Semitism. They're deploying AI to crawl through social

1437
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: media accounts in order to find additional targets for deportation

1438
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 2: based on wrong think on Israel. Perhaps there was a

1439
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: result of this effort, another Columbia student on a student

1440
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: visa was forced to flee the country. Her greatest involvement

1441
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 2: in pro Palestine protests was liking and resharing some posts

1442
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: and signing on to at least one open letter calling

1443
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 2: for Palestinian liberation. She described herself as quote Justin Rando,

1444
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: not anywhere close to a protest leader. Four, the Department

1445
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: of Justice announced that the government is investigating whether to

1446
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: charge American students who participated in pro Palestine protests as terrorists.

1447
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 2: Academic freedom destroyed, due process, jettisoned free speech, crushed power, consolidated,

1448
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: all under the guise of fighting the alleged bigotry of

1449
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: people who were disgusted to see our government complicit in

1450
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 2: mass slaughter of civilians. Even many diehard Zionists are sounding

1451
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: the alarm. Eli Lake, who is nothing if not committed

1452
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: to hatred of pro Palestine protesters, tweeted this quote. If

1453
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 2: Maka Khalil is charged and convicted of an actual crime,

1454
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: he should be deported. If his crime is just the

1455
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,959
Speaker 2: expression of support for a terrorist organization, then this pageant

1456
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: is grotesque. And yes, I realize that their harassment of Jews,

1457
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 2: destruction of property, etc. Is not protected speech, but the

1458
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,879
Speaker 2: legal argument thus far amounts to saying permanent legal residents

1459
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: can't say anything that the Secretary of State believes undermines

1460
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: US foreign policy. That is a horrendous violation of free speech.

1461
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 2: And as much as I despise campus solidarity with baby stranglers,

1462
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: I love American values more. Bill Maher, to my somewhat surprise,

1463
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,799
Speaker 2: also weighed in on behalf of Khalil, viewing the assault

1464
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 2: on him as an attack on free speech.

1465
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 5: Then there's this issue of Mahmoud Khalil. He is one

1466
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 5: of the protesters, the Palestinian protesters, and I don't agree

1467
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 5: with his point of view, but you know what, if

1468
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 5: you're an honest person, you have to defend him if

1469
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 5: you believe in free speech, because that's what free speech means.

1470
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 5: I say it all the time when it's on the

1471
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 5: other foot, and I can't change because it's now this guy.

1472
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 5: It's defending the dirt bags you hate. So this guy,

1473
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 5: now here's what's fire. And I love this organization that's

1474
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 5: the foundation for individual rights and expression. And they go

1475
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 5: after the left a lot mostly, but they're honest. They said,

1476
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 5: if the government has got anything other than just somebody

1477
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 5: who is saying things they don't like talking about this guy,

1478
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 5: they need to show it now because otherwise the harm

1479
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 5: to First Amendment freedoms will be serious. And I think

1480
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 5: that's true. I don't think they have anything on this

1481
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 5: guy other than he's saying things that I can't believe

1482
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 5: kids believe now. I did not see this coming, this

1483
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 5: bizarre alliance of jihadism and wokeism, you know, infatada is

1484
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,799
Speaker 5: the only solution. Really, Infatada is the only solution global.

1485
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 5: And that's where this guy is. I think it's horrible.

1486
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 5: He hates this country, he hates Western civilization, and I

1487
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 5: defend to his death the right to.

1488
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 2: Say protecting speech you don't like is, of course the

1489
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 2: whole point of the First Amendment. What's more, doesn't take

1490
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: a rocket scientist to figure out that Jews are not

1491
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: safe when disfavored groups start getting singled out, criminalized, rounded

1492
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 2: up by the federal government. Neither, for that matter, is

1493
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 2: anyone else. Today it's them, tomorrow could be you. Once

1494
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: a president claims the power to punish any speech that

1495
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: they don't like, there are no limits to what that

1496
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: can ultimately mean. Today it could be anti semitism, Tomorrow

1497
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: could be anti racism. Today, it could be DEI wrong think.

1498
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: Tom could be climate denial. Today, it could be affiliating

1499
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 2: with Democrats. Tomorrow it could be affiliating with Republicans. The

1500
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: next step in consciousness, though, is to realize that the

1501
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 2: mass campaign by people like mar and Lake to demonize

1502
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: those with legitimate criticisms of Israel as violent, hateful, and

1503
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: pro hamas is exactly the ideological framework that made the

1504
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 2: current crackdown possible and easy. In Eli's tweet, he even

1505
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: says that Khalil expressed support for terrorists, which appears to

1506
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: not be true at all. But once the pro Palestine

1507
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: protests were portrayed by the liberal Biden administration as being

1508
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 2: effectively hamas, it did not take a large leap to

1509
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: criminalize anyone who was affiliated with them to throw visa

1510
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 2: holders and permanent residents out of the country altogether for

1511
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: participating or even for liking the wrong tweet, even those

1512
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: like Khalil who appear to have been completely law abiding.

1513
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: In fairness, though, I think if it wasn't the anti

1514
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 2: semitism ruse, it would probably just be something else. After all,

1515
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: It's not like this is the only way Trump is

1516
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: consolidating power and crushing descent. The anti Semitism pulued is

1517
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 2: one branch of Trump's broader authoritarian push. He certainly doesn't

1518
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: care about actual anti Semitism. He regularly himself uses antisemitic

1519
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: tropes by tying all Jews to the actions of Israel.

1520
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: As one example, his co president Elon spent in an

1521
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: augeration day giving two Nazi salutes and got in trouble

1522
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: before that for saying that an anti Semitic conspiracy theory

1523
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 2: was quote the actual truth instead play acting concern for

1524
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: anti Semitism. It's just the most convenient excuse flying around

1525
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 2: to hobble his enemies, crushed descent, undercut what he sees

1526
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 2: as a rival power base in the university system, to

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Speaker 2: stoke fear and garner compliance. Now, Trump promised in his

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Speaker 2: campaign he would pursue retribution, that he would terminate the constitution,

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Speaker 2: that he would act as a dictator, and, judging from

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Speaker 2: his actions one way or another, he intends to make

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Speaker 2: good on that pledge. Whether you're a media outlet that

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Speaker 2: he deems illegal, a law firm with the temerity to

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Speaker 2: represent one of his political opponents, or a government agency

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Speaker 2: with an unacceptable number of liberal staffers, he wants you afraid,

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Speaker 2: alone and cowering crushed. He will use the power of

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Speaker 2: the state and his crew of loyalist gooons to achieve

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Speaker 2: that intended result. If crying anti semitism helps in his campaign,

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Speaker 2: he is happy to weaponize it, and it seems like

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Speaker 2: he's just getting started. The move to invoke the Alien

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Speaker 2: Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight claiming wartime powers not

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Speaker 2: used since Japanese internment suggests that this dark turn is

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Speaker 2: really just beginning.

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Speaker 4: Next, we're going to.

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Speaker 2: See whether this all fuels public backlash that could stem

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Speaker 2: some of the worst abuses, whether the courts can act

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Speaker 2: to sufficiently forestall the authoritarian slide, whether the liberal institutions

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Speaker 2: are remotely up to fighting an organized, lawless illiberal power grab.

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Speaker 2: So far, though, the indications are not all that promising.

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Speaker 2: Looks like when Ice grab mock Mood, they didn't realize

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Speaker 2: he was a Green card holder, and likely didn't realize

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Speaker 2: how unimpeachably upstanding he would turn out to actually be

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Speaker 2: sort of living embodiment of the American cultural melting pot,

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Speaker 2: good neighbor ideal. But whether it was intentional or not,

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01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 2: making an example out of mock Mood, ultimately it does

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Speaker 2: serve their interests. If they can get away with it,

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01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: then really no one else can feel safe, no matter

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Speaker 2: how many Shabbats they attended, how many times they uplifted

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Speaker 2: their Jewish friends, how courageously they protected them from hateful conduct,

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Speaker 2: how academically accomplished and impressively credentialed, no matter how pregnant

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Speaker 2: or how American, their wife happens to be. Everyone citizen

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Speaker 2: and non will get the message that nothing can protect them.

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Speaker 2: If the Trump regime decides they are to be punished,

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Speaker 2: and that is precisely the point now. The only question

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Speaker 2: that remains is will they get away with it? And

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Speaker 2: it really is wild once you dig into who this

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Speaker 2: guy actually

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Speaker 3: Is, how he is the and if you want to

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