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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukelem and this is the Bear

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Speaker 1: Grease Podcast where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search

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Speaker 1: So I walked back off the mountain and walked back

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00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: up to the duck's car. We were in a little

430
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: cheval at. She fat and he had six squirrels laying

431
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: there in the back of the back of the vat.

432
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: And I said, is that all you have got to

433
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: show for all the shooting done? And and I understand

434
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm at that time. I'm well, I would have turned

435
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: twenty three. I was twenty three years old at the time. Anyway,

436
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: he says, do you know somebody have the named loud

437
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: ll Edwards? And I said, well, I've heard a lot

438
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: about Loudelle. Don't know him personally, but I've heard a

439
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: lot about him. He said, well, I shot a deer

440
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: in front of his dogs up there. What have you

441
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: done on the doorside of Missouri Mountain? So he set

442
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: us up there in the high line, and I said, well,

443
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: we better go get it, and tried to get out

444
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: of here. As we turned around and pulled out, we

445
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: didn't go. We go twenty yards and this guy who

446
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: steps right out in the middle of the road, right

447
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: in front of us. I mean, the ain't no going

448
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: around him. I mean he's in the middle of the

449
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: road and he's on my side. He said, good morning,

450
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: y'all doing good? And I just looked at him and

451
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: I said, are you really don He said yeah, he

452
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 1: said a hecker, you you know, And I said, well,

453
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: my I told him who I was, and I said,

454
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: he said, uh, where y'all had it? And I said, well,

455
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not gonna lie to you. Lived there,

456
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: I said, Doug, and shot a deer in front of

457
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: your dogs and it's up there in the highline. And

458
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: he was just tickled as anybody I've ever seen in

459
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: my life. And from that day fourth it was kind

460
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: of neat because he liked he liked me. Do you

461
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: think he liked you? Because you're honest with him, You

462
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: just up front with him. From absolutely, he was an

463
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: upfront guy. You know, he wasn't gonna Louie Dell. Average,

464
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: didn't beat around the bush about nothing. It's just the

465
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: way he was, and I don't know what it is

466
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: about people in my life. That's the people that I

467
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: think I'm more attracted to, is the people that you

468
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: don't have to guess what they're thinking. Louis Dell and

469
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: Charlie had detected some new blood in their domain, and

470
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: they went and checked in on the squirrel, turkey and

471
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: deer hunters. One could surmise that if Andy had made

472
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: a bad impression, things might have not gone as well.

473
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: But Louis Dell extended the right hand of fellowship to

474
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: Andy for life. It was kind of a it was

475
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: kind of the deal. I mean, if you killed a

476
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: deer in front of a man's dogs, he was entitled

477
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: to half the deer. Period. That's just the way it was.

478
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: He says, you guys, take me up there and drop

479
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: me off. And he said, I'll get that deer and

480
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: tell to get up to the house. And he said,

481
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: y'all come back this afternoon and get it. And he

482
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: said I'll have it. I'll have to have So we

483
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: left went home, me and Doug and my sister and

484
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: my wife. We all went back over to their house

485
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: that afternoon and he had that dear split right down

486
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: the middle front shoulder, rib cage, hand quarter, tenderloin and

487
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: to give that to us from that day forth. And

488
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: that's been forty two years nearly since that happened. Ludel

489
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: and I were friends, and so were Charlie. Louis Dell

490
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: and Charlie had a very clear value system that they

491
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: functionalized in a consistent way throughout their life. Here's Neil

492
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: with an example. You said they were genuine, Like, what

493
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: does that mean to you? What you see is what

494
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: you get. They had their ways and they didn't care

495
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: if you agreed with them, were disagreed with them. They

496
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: was going to do what they was going to do

497
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: and what they thought was okay. And they didn't seem

498
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: to have any problem hiding the good and the bad.

499
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody knew kind of what they were doing

500
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: and what they were about. It's not like they had

501
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: a dual life, like everybody knew what was going on. No,

502
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I mean, you know, he didn't make

503
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: no bones about it to the game wardens. You know,

504
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: he might not tell them what they want to know,

505
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, admit to anything, but I mean he didn't

506
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: night it neither back in Uh, I don't know his

507
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: late seventies. I think they was trying to do away

508
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: with hunting dogs all exceptable, you know, a little you

509
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: had to be a certain size or something. They had

510
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: meeting up there after the Lime Tree, and they was

511
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: in there and I was Oregon back and forth. That's

512
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: all old lu He stood up, Hey said, well, I'll

513
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: tell you fellers what you just do whatever and you

514
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: wanna do, because that's what I'm gonna do. And he

515
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: should keep playing on catching me. You better put you

516
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: forward or drive tennis shoes. So and he just turned

517
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: walked out. You know, the meeting was pretty well over then.

518
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: That kind of busted things that you know, four will

519
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: drive tennis shoes. Louis Dell was known for having a

520
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: unique command of the English language. So what's what's so

521
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: interesting to me is how everybody was kind of intrigued

522
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: with those guys, even if they didn't well because they

523
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: didn't put They didn't try to make believe that they

524
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: was something that they wasn't. He he didn't try to

525
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: make people like it's better than he boys. He didn't

526
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: like people worse than he was. They didn't dress up

527
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: in suits to go to this or that they was

528
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: old country boys. That's not only what they was, it

529
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: was who they was. Yeah, they were just genuine. They

530
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: were satisfied with themselves and content of what they was.

531
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: You know, most people are not like that. Yeah, tell

532
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: me why why aren't most people like that? If I

533
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: knew they're quite answer to that, I'd be a pretty

534
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: smart man. People always want some people to think that

535
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: they're they're better than they are, they're smarter than they are.

536
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: They don't have maybe competence in themselves. Maybe they wanted

537
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: to be something more in life. I don't know them. Well,

538
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, you you take a lot of paper, and

539
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: you can see this a lot of paper. People take

540
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: somebody that wins the lottery, no country boy like may

541
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: or lou or Charlie. They win thirty or forty million dollars.

542
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they're driving where they've drove to

543
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: pick up all their life, maybe even a nice truck.

544
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, all of a sudden they're driving sports cars

545
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: and wanting to dress and suits and moved to a

546
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: nice neighborhood and there wanting to be something that they're not.

547
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: And Loo and Charlie wouldn't like it. Like I said,

548
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: they was perfectly and content and happy with what they

549
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: was and they didn't want to be anything else. You know,

550
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: not both of them was hell billies, so to speak.

551
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: But Jim Boys wasn't done by any means. That wasn't ignorant. Oh, Louis,

552
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: he may have looked like hell belly, but you start

553
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: trading with him or trying to outthink you, you better

554
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: be good. Louis made a lot of money in his life.

555
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of well educated college people never made

556
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: the money Louis did. He was a hard worker. He

557
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: could say opportunities your mind sale. No matter who you

558
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: talked to, they'll tell you what a hard worker Louis

559
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: Dell was and that he was good at anything he did.

560
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: Here's Andy with some insight. You know what people don't

561
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: understand about Liddell was he worked hard. You know, you

562
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: think you hear stories about people like that and you

563
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: think about them being you know, they get the picture

564
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: of this this country bumpkin that's a sluggard, and you

565
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: know he don't want to work. He don't want to

566
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: do anything. That guy worked hard and he maintained the farm.

567
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: He built Bertha chicken house for them to grow eggs in.

568
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: But he had cattle, you know, he cut hay. And

569
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: you know what a lot of people don't know is

570
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: LiOD Dell. Uh he had a contract at one time

571
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: with Walmart stores putting in drop sealings. He raised catfish,

572
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: so catfish for a living. Uh. He owned some property

573
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: done in Taylor, Arkansas where they had a catfish farm

574
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: down there. And yes, I mean he didn't do everything

575
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: right in life, but he did a lot of things right.

576
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: And you know, he had a had a huge heart

577
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: for his community. I don't know, probably twenty five years

578
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: ago or thirty may have been thirty years ago, there

579
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: was some people. Uh it was a man and his

580
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: wife and they were raising kids and grandkids and uh,

581
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: they lost their home and a lot of people don't

582
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: know this, but LiOD Dell it wasn't just Lioddale, but

583
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: he ramrodded it. They put together money and they bought

584
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: them a mobile home and put back in there so

585
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: they have a place to live. But the thing about

586
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: Ludel was is you got exactly what you saw. Why

587
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: is it so intriguing when someone is exactly what you see?

588
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: Isn't that what we're all striving to display? But he

589
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: wasn't just like this with his friends. He was like

590
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: this with the law too. The saga of Louis Dell

591
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: and Charlie is defined by an aversion to the law

592
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: to the man, but a deep devotion to those they

593
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: called friends. Ironically, the law men even respected them. Here's

594
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: Mr Jimmy, and in this story, you're gonna hear the

595
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: name Bertha, which is Louis Delle's wife of fifty four years.

596
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: So with your patrol and tell me kind of the

597
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: cat and mouse game that you had with them, just

598
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: your whole career pretty much. It started off with one

599
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: day I was following Ludale's truck, and I had followed

600
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: that truck for hours, and finally, because I shadowing. You know,

601
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: you if you ever for ever try to follow a

602
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: truck on the fourth service Road, you try to stay

603
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: way back, but you know somebody's gonna see you. Eventually

604
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: I ran at the corner. The truck was dead in

605
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: the middle of the road, and I never had really

606
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: lost sight of it because I know that Charlie or

607
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: lou Dell hadn't been in it, because nobody jumped out

608
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: of the truck when it stopped. I used on up

609
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: to the pick up, got out and walked up to it.

610
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: Bertha was behind the wheel. She's sitting there laughing. I said, ma'am,

611
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: what's wrong? She said, Jimmy Martin. Don't you know they

612
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: hadn't been in this truck all day long. So I've

613
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: been following that truck all day. And she was just

614
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: a lure, you know. And they put it on the

615
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: bad because I said that I've been following her all

616
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: that morning. Nobody they're smart. But there was many a

617
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: time I would find Louis Dell coming out of the woods.

618
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: Now how he knew. I would stop be listening for

619
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: turkeys and I'd hear something crashing coming down side of

620
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: the mountain. It'd be Louis Dell. He'd come over the truck. Hey, Jimmy,

621
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: how you don never never called him with a gun.

622
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: I would even call him back when we had right

623
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: after we had dogs dog teams in the state. Have

624
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: the dogs go up. Try the way that he come

625
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: down from the mountain. Let's see he popped out on

626
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: the road before season, Yes, oh yes, before season. He's

627
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: in campus coming out of nowhere. I never could understand

628
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: how he did it. And so but y'all called dogs

629
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: in to try to back trail him to where he sat.

630
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: He thought he we always heard he had a shotgun

631
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: in a in a hollow tree. Well if he did,

632
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: we never did find it. He may not have had

633
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: a gun in a tree. How many times did you

634
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: trail him with a dog? We only we only did

635
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: that twice. Becaut that point, we're giving up because if

636
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: we don't catch him in, you know, with the gun

637
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: coming out of the woods, you might as well forget it.

638
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: Because when we brought the dog over two times, we

639
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: just knew was gonna have him. He come out of

640
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: the woods. We knew the spot he come out of

641
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: the woods, the dog with traggling back. But the dog

642
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: just kept trailing, trailing and trailing for miles, and he

643
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: never would stop or hit on where there might be

644
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: a gun. He was a dog trained to find a gun,

645
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: or he trying to find a gun. He was training

646
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: to find a shell. The dog could even find a

647
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: twenty two casing. I mean there were that word. What

648
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: did what did Louis Delle act like when you guy

649
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: said here, you're going to get a dog. He didn't

650
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: bother him at all. It's no sweat. He just laughed,

651
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: but it didn't shake him. How did he How did

652
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: he treat you? Was he hostile? He was just just

653
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: straight up with me as he as he could be.

654
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: We'd laugh and joke and carry on. You know. If

655
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: if I caught him, fine, But he says, you're not

656
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: ever gonna catch me, Jimmy. He said that to you,

657
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, several times, and I never did, and it

658
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: wasn't for one to try. And because I wanted that

659
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: state dinner. I caught a lot of preseason turkey hunters,

660
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: but never did catch Louisdale or Charlie. So what do

661
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: you think he was doing? How was he doing it?

662
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: I thought, and I never could prove it that. You know,

663
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: Bertha would take him out and drop him off when

664
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: he'd walk back home went and he I'm sure he

665
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: did that because she would tell making deep in the forest,

666
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: and I might catch him on the road in between

667
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: walking back. But he never had farm, so I know

668
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: he didn't walk that far over there and then back way.

669
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: He may have, but he grew up in those woods

670
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: and he knew him. So he just had probably stashes

671
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: of guns in different places. That was stereirized. But we

672
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: never knew. No, he may have took it with him

673
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: when he when he left this earth. But he was good.

674
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: He was real good. I thought this would be an

675
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: interesting question to ask Stoney about how they evaded the law.

676
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't certain how he'd responded. How did they evade

677
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: the law? So well? I've heard several stories of how

678
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: they did things specifically. And if you don't want to

679
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: talk about it, can we get dropped off. I'm not

680
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: doing anything illegal as far as what you can see.

681
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: But if you sit there and wait on me, you're

682
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: not gonna see me again. Is that ain't where I'm

683
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: coming out? And you don't know where my guns at?

684
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: So they had guns hidden in the woods. I'm not

685
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: sure that there's not some still hid in the woods,

686
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know where they're at. That was their secret,

687
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: as they had people drop them off, and they had

688
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: guns hid in the woods most of the time. Yeah,

689
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: here's Andy with some more intel on one of their tricks.

690
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: It was a game clay and you know, and I

691
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: don't mean it's bad, but lid he'll he'd lived for that,

692
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: he'd lived for that challenge, he lived for that. I'll

693
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: beat you at your game deal, you know, I know,

694
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: I know this for a fact. He would take his

695
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: he'd take his little Toyota pick up over there had

696
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: birth of all. He would drop it off on parking

697
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: right on the side of the road because he knew

698
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: they'd be sitting on it. And he'd be ten milesle

699
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: mari turkey, you know, because I mean they're going to

700
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: set on it, you know, and he'd be he'd be

701
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: someplace completely out of the country, someplace else. Yeah, and

702
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: and the and the thing. Well, and that's the reason

703
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: it goes back to, you know, the birth of Bless

704
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: your hearts. She she got to drop him off a lot,

705
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: and she dropped him off here, and he'd say, you

706
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: pick me up there at noon. He kind of put

707
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: it in the game. Wardens faces though that he was

708
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: an outlaw. Yes, with Louis Delle, it's a game. There

709
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: was no real ill intent, at least not the way

710
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: I interpreted Louis Dale. A lot of people, a lot

711
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: of wardens, a lot of law enforcement officers. They took

712
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: it very personal that supposedly, here's this man, he's out

713
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: here just slaughtering the turkey's left and right, and uh

714
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: flaunting it in our face. But Louis Delle he never

715
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: hurt my feelings. It was a game to him, you know,

716
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: catch me if you can. And he bested the best

717
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: of us, and we never caught him. Why do you

718
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: think he's like that? That's just Louisdale. Turns out Jimmy

719
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: and Louis Dell both like coffee. Here's an entry Steen story. Well,

720
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: every preseason and that we'd start like in March, late February,

721
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: word March, we'd beut working priests at what coffree seasoned

722
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: turkey hunt and uh, every now and then I'd run

723
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: into Louis Dale. He'd always say, hey, Jimmy, we got

724
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: in coffee. I'm sure he was thirsty. Had here he

725
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: has at you. You never caught him with a game,

726
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: but he'd be coming in all the woods. But it

727
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: got to the point where I was eating and finding

728
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: him so frequent I wound up making an extrapolot thermus

729
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: a coffer to go with me, so you know, had

730
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: mine in me and Loui Delle. We might sat there

731
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: and drink half of thermis coffin between us and the

732
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: latter part of the when I was working. He got

733
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: to where he's kind of hard hearing, and you hear

734
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: a bird, Jimmy, and he's using me for I guess

735
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: there's a sounding boards, just trying to spot turkey for it.

736
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: So you're sitting there drinking coffee with him and you're

737
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: hearing birds and he's asking you if you heard it.

738
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: He can't get a beat on it, right that that's classic.

739
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: What what did you talk about with him when you're

740
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: sitting there and you're you know that he's doing something illegal? Well,

741
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: we didn't dwell on the illegal hunting part. He I mean,

742
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: he knew if I caught him parents Square, he's gonna

743
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: get a ticket. And he knew in his own mind

744
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna catch him because he don't told me that,

745
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: and if he tells you, he's gonna do it. But

746
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: we we talked about a lot of stuff, how things

747
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: used to be back and was growing up, kids and

748
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: grandkids and his life and was solved all the world's

749
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: problem back there on those country room. Did you enjoy

750
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: seeing him? If you saw Louis Delle walking down the road,

751
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: that no problem at all. It's like, oh home week.

752
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: So I mean you you would you would have enjoyed

753
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: that I had to. I mean, I knew the man.

754
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: He wasn't the enemy, not at all. It's just it's

755
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: just Louidy. I grew up with him and all the Edwards. Now,

756
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: could that have clouded your ability to catch him? I

757
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't see how it could because of

758
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying you would have led him

759
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: off if you knew something, But do you think that

760
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: was part of their stick into getting away, was just

761
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: kind of being likable and and befriending some of the

762
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: people that were after him. I don't think so. I

763
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: don't see how that really, how that would have affected it.

764
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: I tried, I really wanted that steak dinner. We'll learn

765
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: that the Edwards brothers could be intimidating and downright rough

766
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: in some situations. I asked him, though, if he ever

767
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: felt intimidated by him. You know, it's like if I

768
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: wrote Louis Delle a ticket, he's not going to try

769
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: to get back at me for that. If now, if

770
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: I had written him a ticket and it was uncalled

771
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: for a chicken when you were a ticket, then you

772
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: but you know, he's gonna he might go out and

773
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: kill double the amount of turkeys. You didn't do Charlie

774
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: or Louis Delle wrong, But you didn't you. I wasn't

775
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: afraid of them, and and and they're the kind that, uh,

776
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: you don't mess with in the wrong. Wrong, you don't

777
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: wrong them. I can't say it on any nice way

778
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: on radio. No, it's just crap on them. They're gonna

779
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: crap on you. Yeah, you treat them right, and they're

780
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna treat right even if you're writing them a ticket.

781
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: If you treat them in the right way, everything's gonna

782
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: go down just great. They weren't that intimidating. They're not.

783
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: They didn't try to force their way out of a situation.

784
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: And you know this, quit following me as a game

785
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: warden or we're gonna get even with you know, none

786
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: of that would ever happened. They don't do people that way,

787
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: you know. Charlie and Luda, if I if I told

788
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: him I needed anything at all, they would do it,

789
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: whether I'm law enforcement or not. That's just the way

790
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: they work. They were good. They were good people. They

791
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: really work. Yeah, that's the That's the interesting part of

792
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: this whole story is that they were these pretty notorious outlaws,

793
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: but then they were also like I had, I had

794
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: a hard time finding people that were willing to talk

795
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: about them because they were afraid it was gonna make

796
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: them look bad. You know, It's like, wait a minute,

797
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, why are you defending the character

798
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: of these you know, these these poachers. That's the that's

799
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: the that's the way a lot of people were. Why

800
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: do you think people were so loyal to them, Well,

801
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: they're not Claude Dallas if you know that name from

802
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: out West, I don't. He wanted killed two game wardens

803
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: out and I think it was Idaho. Loud On Charlie.

804
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be violent against you. There was a

805
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: romanticism of for some folks. When I started on as

806
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: a game fish officer, you lose most of your friends.

807
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: The people that I grew up with, hunted and fished with.

808
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: That's the last thing they wanted to see was me

809
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: coming up their driveway, especially in that game and fish truck.

810
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: Louie and Charlie, they weren't like that. I'd have gone

811
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: to their house many times on complaints. People have filed

812
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: a complaint on them for one reason or another, and

813
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: I would just pull it up in the driveway and

814
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: we sit on the front porch and talk about it.

815
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Me trying to get down to the bottom of the situation.

816
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: Is you know what the facts were on it. I

817
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: was never intimidated having to drive up their driveway, whereas

818
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: some of the kids I went to school with it

819
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: might be a little bit different, and didn't have to

820
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: worry about them. Yeah, and I can always I didn't

821
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: have to walk backwards to my truck. I can always

822
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: turn around when I left their house and just walk

823
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: back to my truck normally because I knew I was

824
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: nothing was going to happen to you. Yeah, that's that's

825
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: I think. I see what you're saying. And I guess

826
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: you chased some guys that you wouldn't have done that with.

827
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: I mean you chase, you chase some guys that work,

828
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: straight up criminals that would cut the tires or worse

829
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: than that. But Charlie and Louisdelle, they were they were

830
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: down to, down to the earth folks they worked for.

831
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: When they worked, they worked hard, and when they played,

832
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: they played hard, and a lot of people respected them

833
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: for that. Louis Delle liked Jimmy and treated him with respect. Interestingly,

834
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties. Well, Jimmy Martin was working as

835
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: a police officer. He was shot three times in the

836
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: d Uy traffic stop. He had reason not to trust folks,

837
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: but he trusted the Edwards. However, if you crossed them

838
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: or for some reason they didn't like you, anything was

839
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: on the table. Here's Stoney with a story of an

840
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: interaction with the game warden that Louis Dell didn't get

841
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: along with. It's important to know that it is legal

842
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: to run dogs for deer in many parts of Arkansas. Well,

843
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: we were running dogs, which you know, we're right on

844
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: the game refuge line here, and uh, we had dogs

845
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: over in the game refuge. Well, Uncloudel's over trying to

846
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: catch him, and he's got his rifle. He ain't gonna

847
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: leave it. Laying Sam was one of uncloud El's good

848
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: deer dogs. But nobody catch him. But uncloud El know's

849
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: it any strangers around that dog would stay out there.

850
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: It's already forty yards. Nobody's gonna get close. And uh,

851
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: Kenneth had stopped Uncloodell and looked at his license and

852
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: cheered on him about having dog was in the game refuge.

853
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: Uncluta said, I ain't getting on dogs in the game. Refuge, Well,

854
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: whose dog is at look? Luta said, I don't know.

855
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: It ain't mine and they had his collar on it.

856
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he knew it was his dog. He was

857
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: over to get him, but he knew Kenneth couldn't catch him.

858
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: Of course, Uncluda and Kenneth didn't get along. I mean

859
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: just personality clash. They wouldn't have got along if they

860
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: had have been met somewhere else. But Kenneth he just

861
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: looked at Uncluta and he went to pull his pistol

862
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: and he said, we'll find out whose dog it is,

863
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: and Unclude cocked his rifle and the dog he was

864
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: gonna kill the dog look at the collar, and Unclude

865
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: just helped his rifle up there and cocked nemor. He

866
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: said that dog dies, so do you. And Kenneth said, well,

867
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: I thought it wasn't your dog, and he said, I

868
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: don't give it. You ain't killing a dog in front

869
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: of me. And it all ended right there. Kenneth and

870
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: then went out in their truck left Unclude I loaded

871
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: dog that went home. Wow, how how does the how

872
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: does how does the law respond to that? Because I

873
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: think maybe it was just from a different time, because today,

874
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: you point your gun to a law enforcement guy, you're

875
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: either gonna get shot, I'm gonna go to jail. Right,

876
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, if the law enforcement

877
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: guy is breaking the law, who's in the right right

878
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: Because by today's law, him shooting that dog would be

879
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: a felony. So it's almost like there was some backwoods

880
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: justice going on there between both of them, right, I mean, it's, uh,

881
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna do it, you know, And so

882
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: nothing was ever said about it. No. Man. See that's

883
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: interesting because and I think that does show you kind

884
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: of I mean, it's like Bow and Luke Duke. You know,

885
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: I fought the law and the law lost. That's a

886
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: pretty wild interaction. And I realized that that's just one

887
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: side of that story. But we do know for sure

888
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: it was a different time. If that happened today, things

889
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: probably would have been different. Probably there's been several statements

890
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: about them evading the law, but that actually didn't always happen.

891
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy never caught him, but as you'll see in the

892
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: next podcast, we'll learn they actually got caught a couple

893
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: of times a long time before Jimmy. Here's one time

894
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: when Louis del caught himself. We were over on the

895
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: headboard camp and of course man Uncle Adhill is coming

896
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: back into camp and Terry Lunsford was parked in the

897
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: road for his service first law enforcement, and Joe Lyles

898
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: was game warden anyway, and I like both men, but anyway,

899
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: uncleod Hell being unclood Hill, he gets out and we're

900
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: talking Terry and Uncle Adell said, well, I guess you

901
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: better check our license. And Terry said, no, this is

902
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: at your dear camp. No, this is on the hood

903
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: of Terry S. Trump. So just y'all, y'all are just

904
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: coming back in the road. Okay, So it's a roadblock, right, Well,

905
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a roadblock. Terry was just pulled over

906
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: and we pulled up to talk to him, and we

907
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: got out and everybody's leaning on the hood, you know, talking.

908
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: There's four guys standing there talking, and then Joe Lyles

909
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: pulled up, so all five of us is talking and

910
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: Uncle lud El stayed on Terry. Oh you're gonna check license.

911
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: He said, Now, I didn't buy these things for nothing,

912
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: and he's pulling his bill fold out and Terry's like, well,

913
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't need to see your license. I know you

914
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: know well, Uncle Ludel don't have one. All the rest

915
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: of us has got ours out there. And he turned

916
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: bright red, I mean bright red, and went to cussing.

917
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: And then the first thing, the next thing popped out

918
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: of his mouth was I can't believe Bertsa didn't buy that.

919
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: Lame threw Bertha right out of the bus. And then

920
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: Terry just looked at Joe and he said, ain't you

921
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: right in this ticket? Because neither one of them wanted

922
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: to have to deal with the aftermath. You know, it

923
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: wasn't that he was gonna get revenged, but he was

924
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna be mad at whoever wrote that ticket. Forever you

925
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: wrote me a ticket. And I think Joe finally wrote

926
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: the t of course uncle a Layer said that's only

927
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: why he was ever gonna catch me. After doing some checking,

928
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: it was actually Terry Lunsford that wrote the ticket. Here's

929
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy with his honest thoughts on the Edwards reputation. But

930
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: a lot of louis Dale was bravado. You'd see in

931
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,479
Speaker 1: a restaurant and people would get to talk about turkey hunting.

932
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: Who they'll like to brag and he you know, he

933
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: might not have killed near as many turkeys as people

934
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: as he put out to be doing. I don't I

935
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: don't think you did that. At one time he had

936
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: a big ring of turkey beards, but we don't know

937
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: how long it's been collecting those beards. Yeah, a lot

938
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: of bravado. The turkey beard thing came from back when

939
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: he was arrested for a moonshining. Moonshining? Did he just

940
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: say that Louis Delle got caught for moonshining? Man? There

941
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: is not enough time in a single Bear Grease episode

942
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: to even scratch the surface with these Edwards boys. You'll

943
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: have to wait for part two of this podcast to

944
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: hear the moonshining story. And it's a good one. If

945
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: they killed half of what they got credit for, there

946
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't be any game left in polk Anning. So you

947
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: think a lot of their reputation, Oh, I just got it.

948
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did kill more than their share, but

949
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: it just got blown plumb out of proportionate the myth.

950
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: It created a myth, and it just carried on and

951
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: on and on. Louis Dell Charlie, they you know you're

952
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: talking about the numbers of the killing thirty and forty

953
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: birds in a season. They did not waste any meat.

954
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: So if they killed thirty birds, either their fraser was

955
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: plumb full of turkey, they gave away a lot, because

956
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, there's no way one family is gonna eat

957
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: thirty turkeys. And if they did give away that mean

958
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: other than the word would have gotten out. But if

959
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: they did kill that men, they surely didn't waste it.

960
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: What makes you say that? How do you know that?

961
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: Because I know them, I know how they were raised

962
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: and how they grew up and how they taught their kids. Yeah,

963
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: it's just the way. That's the way it was when

964
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: we grew up. You didn't waste that meat back then.

965
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: It's precious. Yeah, they were good folks. I don't care

966
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: how many times I gotta say it. I'll chase and

967
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: I would write them today if they were still, you know,

968
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: if we were still back in that situation, and they

969
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: would know it. But they're gone. Yeah, here's Stoney on

970
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: the big picture of his dad and uncle being outlaws.

971
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: How do you feel about your dad and uncle being

972
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: outlaws like that? And how would you be today? You

973
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: gotta look at it this way, there's very few deer

974
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: when they're younger. You're not allowed to kill a dough.

975
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: By putting that restriction on, their chances of seeing one

976
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: period were nearly void anyway. And then you see one,

977
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's a dough I can't shoot it. Well, that

978
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: was a hard rule to follow. It was an impossible

979
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: rule to follow when you know you've got family at

980
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: home that need that meat. You know, you've heard old

981
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: West stories of the guy went and killed somebody's cow

982
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: and took it home. That was the only way he

983
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: had to feed his family at the time, so he

984
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: did it. Nowadays, I can't hold with a whole lot

985
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: of it, and my uncle couldn't either. My dad couldn't either.

986
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: At the last, there's a point where we have enough.

987
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: So you saw that inside of them. I mean, so

988
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: there was a time I mean when they were killing

989
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: that many turkeys, kind of in their prime. I mean,

990
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: they weren't they had plenty of money. I mean, they

991
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: weren't wealthy, but they so they weren't killing turkeys just

992
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: to feed the f It was kind of a remnant

993
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: of a time past. But then they got in their

994
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: old age where they weren't and I'm gonna say that

995
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: because you know, when they were in their mid thirties,

996
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: the only Christmas we had is from what they killed

997
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: coon hunt their coon hides. Dad uncloud On made thirty

998
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: five hundred in one month coon hunting. Of course, hides

999
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: were twenty five and thirty five dollars apiece, but they

1000
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: were They weren't working in the day at all. They

1001
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: got up in the evening, we came home, went to bed,

1002
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: got up, went hunting every single night, seven days a week,

1003
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: all winter long. If they did, we're still up the

1004
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: next morning. You know, they'd get up. They'd go turkey hunter,

1005
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: or they'd go kill deer, or they may have killed

1006
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: a deers that night while they were con I mean,

1007
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: the work was very scarce that they were doing, and

1008
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: that was it. I guess it was later in their

1009
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: life that they kind of did pretty well for them. So,

1010
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean Louis Dell uncloud El, he he did pretty

1011
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: well all the way through. Dad Unclodil married one woman

1012
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: and was married to her for fifty something years. Dad

1013
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: married six. I didn't know that, Okay, so Charlie had

1014
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: six wives. I'll be dared. I didn't know that. Dad

1015
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: made little fortunes and lost them all along the way,

1016
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: unclood un married one and made a fortune and managed

1017
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: to build it up as far as they're thinking, when

1018
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: if they needed it, they were gonna go get it.

1019
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: And you know, and I would be the same way today,

1020
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: but I can't see a scenario where I would need it.

1021
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: Here's Andy telling why he misses Charlie and Louis Dell.

1022
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: There's great folks. I mean I miss him. I mean,

1023
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: you just you just got to miss people like that

1024
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: because they're just so, they're just so. I mean sure,

1025
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna get the same thing every time.

1026
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna get any And Blue Deal

1027
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: was loud. God, he's coming up there in the office,

1028
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: and I shut my door. Of course everybody in the

1029
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: office heard it. You know, he comed up there. I mean,

1030
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: this might be the fifth of March. He had two

1031
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: beards in his pocket more. And you know he'd leave

1032
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: there and go to the holiday house and tell him

1033
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean in front. I mean he didn't,

1034
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it did not, It did not bother him.

1035
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: Just unbelievable. Isn't it ironic that these notorious outlaws were

1036
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: such respected and beloved people. Obviously they had enemies too,

1037
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: and I'm certain there are unflattered in stories about them,

1038
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: like there would be about all of us. Me telling

1039
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: the story of the Edwards brothers is clearly not condoning

1040
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: breaking game laws. And let me say, whoever is without sin,

1041
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: let him cast the first stone. Times have changed for

1042
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: the better. Today, obeying game laws is the norm, and

1043
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: if you break them, you will be caught and severely punished.

1044
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: Game laws keep wildlife populations healthy. We love game laws today.

1045
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: The cool kids obey game laws. That's just the way

1046
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: it is. The prime of these guys operation was simply

1047
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: a different time. It was a different mentality. So why

1048
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: did I tell the story in a day of extreme

1049
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: polarization of things either being black or white, someone is

1050
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: either a criminal or a saint. You've either been accepted

1051
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: or you've been canceled. It seems to me like we

1052
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: could judge people with a little more nuance. If we

1053
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: were all judged by our worst day, we'd all be

1054
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: in trouble. The Edwards story is extremely intriguing and complex,

1055
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: and my personal take home for Clay Nucom has to

1056
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: do with the certainty of the Edwards brothers identity. They

1057
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: could have taught a master class on functionalizing a strong identity.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it was healthy or constructive, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't take cues about themselves from sources deemed irrelevant,

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Speaker 1: and there in lies the issue with many of us.

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Speaker 1: It was noteworthy to me that over and over and

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Speaker 1: over people said they were genuine. Well, aren't we all

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Speaker 1: trying to be genuine? Or have most of us taken

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Speaker 1: on an identity that's a facade. Wouldn't it be wild

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Speaker 1: if it took a couple of outlaws from Arkansas to

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Speaker 1: help us see what it means to be a genuine human.

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Speaker 1: It's just a thought, It's just something to think about.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode, we're gonna continue to hear stories

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Speaker 1: about Louis Dell and Charlie. There just isn't enough time

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Speaker 1: in this thing, and we're gonna tell about the time

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Speaker 1: they got busted for making illegal moonshine and how earlier

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Speaker 1: in their lives they actually did get busted by the

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Speaker 1: game and fish Man, it's gonna be good. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for listening to Bear Grease. Share this podcast with

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Speaker 1: the most law abiding person you know this week and

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Speaker 1: see what they think. Leave us to comment on iTunes

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you next week. On the Bear Grease

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Speaker 1: written