WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Kings of the Weekend

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>The we are the Kings of the weekend edition as

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Lapham joins me to break down the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four Bengals draft class. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought

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<v Speaker 2>you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since a

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly struck golf shot.

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<v Speaker 1>I played golf with.

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<v Speaker 2>A buddy a few days ago and on one Part three,

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<v Speaker 2>I hit a seven iron as well as it could

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<v Speaker 2>possibly be hit. It was majestically high and straight as

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<v Speaker 2>an arrow. It looked like the shot tracker that you

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<v Speaker 2>would see if you were watching PGA tour coverage on

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<v Speaker 2>TV now Unfortunately, I hit the ball so well that

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<v Speaker 2>it flew well past the flag. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>so what, it was perfectly struck, the type of shot

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<v Speaker 2>that keeps you coming back for more. Now, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>to Day three of the draft. The Bengals had six

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<v Speaker 2>picks on Saturday, and frankly, I'm surprised they used all

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<v Speaker 2>of them. I would have been willing to bet that

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<v Speaker 2>at some point they would have traded one of their

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<v Speaker 2>extra six or seventh rounders to move up, but they didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'd never know what Day three pick is going

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<v Speaker 2>to pan out. Their first selection on Saturday was tight

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<v Speaker 2>end Eric All, a Cincinnati kid from Fairfield High School

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<v Speaker 2>who spent most of his college career at Michigan before

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<v Speaker 2>finishing with this season at Iowa. Eric undoubtedly would have

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<v Speaker 2>gone higher than the fourth round if not for injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a back problem two years ago and tore

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<v Speaker 2>his ACL last season. Here's offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher. Very

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<v Speaker 2>well rounded, skill set, size, athleticism, contributor in both the

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<v Speaker 2>past game in the run game.

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<v Speaker 3>He's physical. We think he can be.

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<v Speaker 2>Really an all around tight end that can help us

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<v Speaker 2>in all phases. Eric said it was surreal to be

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<v Speaker 2>drafted by his hometown team, and he sounded giddy about

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to catch passes from Joe Burrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy. I remember watching the man at LSU just doing

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<v Speaker 1>his thing and just playing a team. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, it's pensive standard for the quarterbacks in

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<v Speaker 1>the league, and he's.

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<v Speaker 4>Just all, you know, it's going to be crazy cutching

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<v Speaker 4>the ball from it.

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<v Speaker 2>In the fifth round, the Bengals chose cornerback Josh Newton

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<v Speaker 2>out of TCU. He's not a burner, as he ran

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<v Speaker 2>a four or five forty at the combine, but Newton

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<v Speaker 2>was highly productive with forty pass breakups in his college career.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's defensive coordinator louena Arumo a.

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<v Speaker 5>Lot to like, plays inside, plays outside, you know, play

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<v Speaker 5>a bunch of games at nicol As I mentioned, He's

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<v Speaker 5>had over thirty plus tackles in three consecutive years seven

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<v Speaker 5>I believe seven interceptions in his career. Was first team

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<v Speaker 5>All Big twelve and twenty two. So great kid, great

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<v Speaker 5>football instincts, awareness, Like everything about his game.

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<v Speaker 2>Newton isn't shy about saying where he would like to

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<v Speaker 2>play and why he would like to play there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Honestly, I like outside really the business, you know, outside,

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<v Speaker 1>the outside money, But man, is I really don't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if I had the pig, yeah, outside, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the outside running, then you know that's a that's an eight,

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<v Speaker 1>eight matches and all this. So I mean, bro, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>I feed in and whatever the cozey like, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be a Swiss.

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<v Speaker 2>With their first pick of the sixth round, the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>chose another tight end, six foot five inch Tanner McLaughlin

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<v Speaker 2>out of Arizona. He's a receiver more than a blocker

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<v Speaker 2>and actually broke Rob Groundkowski's school record for most career

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<v Speaker 2>catches by a tight end.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Zach Taylor.

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<v Speaker 3>He can win. In the past game, he can win,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think you guys can can picture tight ends

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<v Speaker 3>that have success here in the past couple of years

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<v Speaker 3>for us. You know where they they turned something short

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<v Speaker 3>and something much bigger. You know, on a third and

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<v Speaker 3>five they turn it into first down, they break tackles.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got really good awareness, zone awareness. He's just got

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<v Speaker 3>that sabbiness that I think is critical for tight ends

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<v Speaker 3>to have. He can be a threat down the middlefield.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got good nuance on his routes, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's continued to develop as a blocker. He's got the

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<v Speaker 3>body type for it, six ' five. I think he

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<v Speaker 3>could be a for the high two forties. And so

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<v Speaker 3>did a lot of research on these guys. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we've watched these tough I mean, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>how many times we've watched these tight ends. But I

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<v Speaker 3>really like him. Jed Fish is a good friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've watched Arizona play for the last three years,

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<v Speaker 3>every game probably, and you know, I had seen Tanner

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<v Speaker 3>and then you study the tape and I really liked it,

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<v Speaker 3>and Jed confirmed all the things that I thought about him.

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<v Speaker 2>One knock on McLaughlin is his age. He was on

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<v Speaker 2>college rosters for six years and turned twenty five last month.

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<v Speaker 1>Through the process, you could, you know, some said it

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<v Speaker 1>was a benefit, some sat was the negative, but I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it to be a benefit. I've always been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a late bloomer, and you know, I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna ride with it. I My age is what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm excited to, you know, go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>continue to develop. So I think my best balls ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Later in the sixth Cincinnati picked edge rusher Cedric Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>out of Ole Miss. He's six three, two sixty and

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<v Speaker 2>had nineteen sacks in his college career. So what does

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<v Speaker 2>Cedric bring to the table.

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<v Speaker 4>So I bring a lot of athleticism, my explosion of

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<v Speaker 4>when I get off my speed for I'm running, my strengths.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel that I got allowed to bring to the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Their first pick of the seventh round, the Bengals chose

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<v Speaker 2>another member of the All Miss defense, safety Dejon Anthony.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a feel good story, having started his college career

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<v Speaker 2>as a walk on at the Division two level.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate his story and why he did all the

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<v Speaker 3>things that he did to get to where he's at

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<v Speaker 3>today and to have his name called on draft night,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is special for him. And he's a guy

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, you learn more information about when you

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<v Speaker 3>bring him in here on the thirty visit. Our scouts

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<v Speaker 3>have done that or coaches got a chance to do

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<v Speaker 3>that and really liked, really liked him. Thought there was

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<v Speaker 3>a really good fit for him. But I do appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>his story when you hear from him and and other

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<v Speaker 3>things he's gone through to Gutorias today.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bengals final draft pick was Matt Lee, a slightly

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<v Speaker 2>undersized center at least in terms of weight, who spent

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<v Speaker 2>most of its college career at UCF before ending it

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<v Speaker 2>with a season at the University of Miami. He'll get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to compete with Trey Hill for the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to back up Ted Kerris.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a great fit for him, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's he did a great job down there

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<v Speaker 3>this year in Miami, and so I think at that

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<v Speaker 3>point that was a great pick for us, and so

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<v Speaker 3>we're excited to get him in here, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>Ted will take home and have a chance show them

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<v Speaker 3>the ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>Lee earned All League honors three times in the last

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 2>Now time for an in depth look at this year's

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<v Speaker 2>draft class with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to day three of the draft, Zach

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor actually made a little news at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>today's proceedings, telling reporters that Dat's Hill will be tried

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<v Speaker 2>out at cornerback in training camp and will be given

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to compete for a starting spot. I would

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<v Speaker 2>assume that would be on the outside, competing with DJ Turner.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make of that announcement by Zach?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think that you know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people probably after the drafts that she's I wish

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<v Speaker 1>you get a cornerback a little earlier, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Or maybe we'll address the cornerback position in free agency

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<v Speaker 6>or the other phase of it, the second round of

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<v Speaker 6>a veteran free agency. But you know this news, I

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<v Speaker 6>think Leu and Arumo would pretty much let the cat

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<v Speaker 6>out of the bag basically with some of his pressures

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<v Speaker 6>earlier that you know that that was under strong consideration,

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<v Speaker 6>and when they're when they start to go public that way,

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<v Speaker 6>it's it's not really a huge surprise. But you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you look at me, here's cornerback speed. There's question about

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<v Speaker 6>it now, you know, flipping his hips and doing all

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<v Speaker 6>the things the corners have to do. And the one

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<v Speaker 6>thing that it does do though, is it does minimize

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<v Speaker 6>how much you have to recognize and communicate and all

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<v Speaker 6>those sort of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, so that that part of it will be I

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<v Speaker 1>think a fairly easy transition.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just, uh, this this guy is a talented player, physically,

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<v Speaker 6>great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I think it's like, just have to find

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<v Speaker 1>uh right, to find the right home for him. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And he has played that. They did play him in.

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<v Speaker 6>The slot, and they did kick him outside some is

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<v Speaker 6>rookie season. I mean, he gotta he gotta taste of everything,

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<v Speaker 6>uh in the very early stages of his career. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's not like he uh you know, it's it's not like, boy,

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<v Speaker 6>that's a joke. Why then think about that? Uh be

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<v Speaker 6>interesting to see how he competes and and you know

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<v Speaker 6>where it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>You can you can you can always make other moves. Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>But that the spot that that they're going to think,

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<v Speaker 6>I guess try first with them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think they're trying to find a spot where

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<v Speaker 2>they can get them on the field. With Tino Stone,

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<v Speaker 2>Von Bell and Jordan Battle, I didn't see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of opportunities for snaps playing at safety. If those guys

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<v Speaker 2>are healthy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and and obviously the you know, the big knock

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<v Speaker 6>on him last year was recognizing and communicating when offenses

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<v Speaker 6>motioned and shifted and did all the things that they do,

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<v Speaker 6>uh you know, you know, getting everybody aligned properly in

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<v Speaker 6>the back end. And they made some moves to address that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, that issue. And so yeah, I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 6>trying to find a home for a guy that that

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<v Speaker 6>definitely has National Football.

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<v Speaker 1>League physical abilities. There's there's no question about it. You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I think another thing they could do is is have

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<v Speaker 6>him cover the tight end and and then you know,

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<v Speaker 6>pressure off the edge, give him a couple of assignments

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<v Speaker 6>in the middle of the football seam. And I think,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't I don't necessarily think that, Uh well, if

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<v Speaker 6>they're gonna put him outside, you got to think they're

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<v Speaker 6>hoping he's going to be in their top three. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>he'll be out there and nickel and dime packages. But

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<v Speaker 6>with the experiences that he has doing everything he can do,

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<v Speaker 6>including like I said, you know, if if people are

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<v Speaker 6>out there and you know, one tight end, three wide

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<v Speaker 6>receiver personnel packages and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Could he could be the guy that that's.

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<v Speaker 6>All over that tight end and we can come up

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<v Speaker 6>with pressure packages off of that, and so it's it's

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<v Speaker 6>not it's not like, yeah, boy, Dax Hill, we can't

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<v Speaker 6>find anything to do with that Dax Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>But they can still.

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<v Speaker 6>He's maybe not a Swiss army knife, but he's still

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<v Speaker 6>probably a jack knife.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cover the tight end in blitz. I mean, those

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<v Speaker 2>are two roles that he definitely can do, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's talk about Day three draft picks, beginning

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<v Speaker 2>with the fourth round or a local kid, tight end

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<v Speaker 2>Eric All Who's and most of his college career at

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan before finishing up with one year at Iowa unofficially

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<v Speaker 2>tight end. You Eric broke out in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>then he suffered a back injury in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>He was ioways go to receiver early last year and

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<v Speaker 2>then he tore his ACL. He's solid as a pass

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<v Speaker 2>catcher and as a blocker if he can stay healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>no question.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the thing that you know that I

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<v Speaker 1>liked that was just so real, is.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, when he was trying to put into words

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<v Speaker 6>what it would be like playing with Joe Burrow and

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<v Speaker 6>trying to be a target for him that Joe can

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<v Speaker 6>trust over the middle of the football field. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>he almost choked up and became, you know, struggling to

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<v Speaker 6>find the worst to describe it. I mean, excited is

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<v Speaker 6>probably not descriptive enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's you know, that's huge. That's big.

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<v Speaker 6>And he's obviously you know, he's obviously gifted. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>he just and you know, you're talking major injuries. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's it's his game is uh has been retarded, uh

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<v Speaker 6>from a development standpoint because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's uh, he's he can.

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<v Speaker 6>Get uh, you know, get leverage on defenders real early.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to set up a break. He's he's a really.

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<v Speaker 6>Good route runner, you know, and uh, he's he can

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<v Speaker 6>do both.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no doubt about it. I Mean, he's a he's a.

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<v Speaker 6>A very very talented athlete. Is he can break tackles

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<v Speaker 6>yards after contact.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, he's uh, he's he's.

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<v Speaker 6>A very very talented football players, get very very quick feet.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets as a as a as a blocker.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean he gets up to the next level and

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<v Speaker 6>even to the third level pretty darn quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's he's he's got it all.

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<v Speaker 6>I think he's extremely extremely strong, athletic, physically talented, just

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<v Speaker 6>the injury gods have to let him low for football

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<v Speaker 6>injury guds have to let him for a.

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<v Speaker 2>While, and he could be the best dual purpose tight

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<v Speaker 2>end that they have. Mike Kasicki is largely a receiver,

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<v Speaker 2>so is Tanner Hudson, Drew Sample is obviously best known

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<v Speaker 2>for his blocking ability, and Eric All, if healthy, is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that really can do both.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and now that they've drafted a couple of tight ends,

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<v Speaker 6>you've got five tight ends.

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<v Speaker 1>That you have.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, a one has this skill set, another one

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<v Speaker 6>has maybe a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit different skill set. Like you say, Eric Hall may

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<v Speaker 1>be the guy that has the most versatile package.

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<v Speaker 6>He can do the most things at a very significant level.

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<v Speaker 6>So he's definitely gonna he's definitely gonna roster and he's

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<v Speaker 6>definitely gonna make contributions, I would think with this football team.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, he's six four plus, over.

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<v Speaker 6>Two hundred and fifty pounds, runs well, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 6>he's a big man. Wingspans seventy nine inches, his hands

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<v Speaker 6>over ten his arms are over thirty three inches. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>it's it's just amazing how big and athletic and strong

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<v Speaker 6>and quick and fast. It's it's just it's the land

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<v Speaker 6>of the Giants. The National Football League is the land

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<v Speaker 6>of the Giants, and they are so gifted physically as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to the other tight end that they drafted

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<v Speaker 2>in just a moment. But before their fifth round pick

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<v Speaker 2>was announced, you were saying, take Newton, take Newton, And

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<v Speaker 2>sure enough, they took cornerback Josh Newton out of TCU,

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<v Speaker 2>where he played in the National Championship Game a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years ago. Average size, average speed, he ran a

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<v Speaker 2>four to five one at the combine, but extremely productive

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<v Speaker 2>with seven picks and forty passes defense in his college

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<v Speaker 2>football career.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and that's that speaks to his intelligence, you know that,

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<v Speaker 6>That's what you know. They say he's a high character

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<v Speaker 6>guy and he's got he's got an extremely high football

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<v Speaker 6>IQ as well as overall intelligence. You know, he's he's

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<v Speaker 6>another you know, another guy that played at at a

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<v Speaker 6>big program. You know, I mean that that's the thing

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<v Speaker 6>to the common denominator of the past few years stayed intact.

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<v Speaker 6>Big programs that have competed for national championships, in some

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<v Speaker 6>cases won national championships, and a bunch of these guys

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<v Speaker 6>are captains of their football team in some instances two

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<v Speaker 6>time captains.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's that's that's the formula that has worked for.

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<v Speaker 6>The Cincinnati Bengals and putting together, you know, the strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Lock room that they have, and uh that this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>a he's definitely a strong prospect. I mean, he transferred

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<v Speaker 1>from Louisiana Monroe.

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<v Speaker 6>To TCU, so you know he also he said, you

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<v Speaker 6>know what when we're talking to him, or what do

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<v Speaker 6>you attribute your your ball skills to it? Well, he's

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<v Speaker 6>played wide receiver. So in my opinion, guys that have

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<v Speaker 6>moved from the wide receiver position to play in the

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<v Speaker 6>in the in the defensive backfield, they're familiar already with

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<v Speaker 6>rout trees and watching body language when guys are trying

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<v Speaker 6>to get in an out of cuts and it's almost

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<v Speaker 6>you know, yeah, I remember what I did when I

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<v Speaker 6>had to do those kind of things. You have that

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<v Speaker 6>you have that type of experience to draw up on,

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<v Speaker 6>and usually that's advantageous to those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They had two picks in the sixth round. In the

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<v Speaker 2>first was the other tight end we alluded to, Tanner McLaughlin.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a Canadian who played college football at Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is a receiver. Zach Taylor specifically said, if

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<v Speaker 2>you picture the tight ends that the Bengals have had

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<v Speaker 2>over the past few years, who could turn a short

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<v Speaker 2>pass into a first down or something bigger, that's who

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about in Tanner McLaughlin.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's a big one. You know, six five and

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<v Speaker 1>forty four pounds.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, runs for six I mean, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 6>almost for six flat. I mean, that's that's a pretty good,

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<v Speaker 6>pretty good combination right there, you know. And he is

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<v Speaker 6>he's he's a guy that you can you can around formations,

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<v Speaker 6>you know. I think he's got room for growth in

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<v Speaker 6>his game. Like you said, he's not gonna put his

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<v Speaker 6>hand in the dirt at the end of the line

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<v Speaker 6>of scrimmage and dominate defensive ends and outside linebackers. But

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<v Speaker 6>he has a he's got soft hands, he's got a

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<v Speaker 6>decent catch radius.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he uh, he'll fight for contested catches. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He shows, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Effort after the catch to get some yack. He's got

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<v Speaker 6>the strength to do that. So he's he's uh, he's

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<v Speaker 6>a talented guy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, is uh, he's got room for growth. I

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<v Speaker 6>mean he's and I think he's got just a coach

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<v Speaker 6>to help him get there. You know, obviously, I think

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<v Speaker 6>there's strength and conditioning coaches are gonna like to work

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<v Speaker 6>with this guy because I think he needs to improve

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<v Speaker 6>his strength and uh, you know, particularly even in his

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<v Speaker 6>legs to get some leg drive to move people off

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<v Speaker 6>the line of scrimmage.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you know, that's an.

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<v Speaker 6>Issue or an area that he realizes he needs to improve.

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<v Speaker 6>But again, this is a guy that you look at it.

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<v Speaker 6>He was best player on the board. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 6>a chance to roster, roster meeting, you know, practice squad anyway,

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<v Speaker 6>so why not why not take a chance. And that's

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<v Speaker 6>the thing I think from probably the fifth round on,

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<v Speaker 6>it was okay, well, who's the best available player.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna trust our board. We busted our butt putting.

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<v Speaker 6>This thing together, and I think some of these picks

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<v Speaker 6>down the stretch were just the best available player, and

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<v Speaker 6>maybe the last pick at the center position was okay,

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<v Speaker 6>let's not have to go fight for one and college

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<v Speaker 6>free agency. Let's make sure we get a center in

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<v Speaker 6>training camp to take some of the load off of

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<v Speaker 6>Ted Carris.

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<v Speaker 1>The veteran center.

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<v Speaker 6>We've got and see if we can you know, develop

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<v Speaker 6>a guy. But maybe maybe he's a practice squad player.

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<v Speaker 6>We can try to develop him if.

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<v Speaker 1>We feel like, you know, he's a good enough prospect

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<v Speaker 1>at that spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Second pick in the sixth round was an edge rusher,

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<v Speaker 2>Cedric Johnson sixty three to two sixty out of all

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<v Speaker 2>miss They're hoping that Miles Murphy and Joseph o Si

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<v Speaker 2>breakout this year and really contribute his pass rushers, but

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson had nineteen sacks in his college football career, and

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<v Speaker 2>he'll be looking to show that he's got some juice

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<v Speaker 2>in training camp as an edge guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah again, Uh, best available player, you know, I think,

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<v Speaker 6>and uh but I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>His his measurables. It's you know, there's these guys are

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day.

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<v Speaker 6>If these these numbers were around in the eighties, be like,

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<v Speaker 6>are you kidding me? You know, sixty three two sixty

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<v Speaker 6>plus four six forty, wingspan of almost eighty inches, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, twitchy, athleticism, a powerful player.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, played at a big program and a big conference.

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<v Speaker 6>It's, uh, he's he's he's definitely a guy that has confidence.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought in his uh, pressery. He he's almost like

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<v Speaker 6>jumping through the phone to to start his opportunity at

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<v Speaker 6>some sort of a camp. I mean, he's, uh, we

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<v Speaker 6>talked about hands before, how important hands have become, and

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<v Speaker 6>he shows powerful hands and and he's he's athletic with

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<v Speaker 6>his knee bend and and attack and blocks. He does

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<v Speaker 6>set the edge very effectively, and he can stack in shed,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and he's got he's got speed to chase

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<v Speaker 6>chase players in the perimeter, and you know, he's he's

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<v Speaker 6>definitely a guy that I can see why they felt

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<v Speaker 6>like he was the best, best available opportunity when he

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<v Speaker 6>was drafted.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's a lot to work with there, There's there's.

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<v Speaker 6>No doubt about it. He talked about his versatility. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>he can, he's he's played a bunch of different spots

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<v Speaker 6>up and down the line of scrimmage in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>you know, five technique, seven technique, nine technique whatever, and uh,

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<v Speaker 6>he's he's even played inside a little bit, so you know,

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<v Speaker 6>he's he's he's beaten average tackles and in the sec.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably during cut above average. Let's see what Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>what he does against more.

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<v Speaker 6>Advanced players when he comes to the National Football League with.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bengals first pick in the seventh round. They took

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<v Speaker 2>one of Cedric Johnson's Ole Miss teammates, safety Dejon Anthony,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is the great story in this year's draft class.

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<v Speaker 2>From Richmond, Virginia. No scholarship offers coming out of high school.

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<v Speaker 2>He started his college football career as a Division two

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<v Speaker 2>walk on, and he ended his college football career in

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<v Speaker 2>the SEC last year where he led the Rebels in

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<v Speaker 2>interceptions and passes defense. He'll be probably looking for a

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<v Speaker 2>spot on the practice squad and looking to show that

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<v Speaker 2>he can contribute on special teams.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it is amazing. I mean what he started as

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<v Speaker 6>a career at Shepherd University.

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<v Speaker 1>Then and then transferred from Liberty. I mean, it's it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's a here's a.

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<v Speaker 6>Guy that was not gonna let his dream die and

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<v Speaker 6>believed in himself. You know, he's he's got some flashy athleticism,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I mean he moves, he moves.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty john Well and and he's.

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<v Speaker 6>Dogged lee determined to make plays all over the football field.

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<v Speaker 6>He's got an outstanding change of direction, and he can

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<v Speaker 6>flip his hips.

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<v Speaker 1>He can uh, you know, he can he can stay

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<v Speaker 1>in the phase.

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<v Speaker 6>With ruth receivers vertically, and that's that's important, you know

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<v Speaker 6>at the at the safety position, we know all about that.

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<v Speaker 6>He's got solid range, you know when he's playing over

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<v Speaker 6>the top and two high schemes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think Leuano Rumo likes that he's got. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of, uh, you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>traits that they.

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<v Speaker 6>Like and I think, again, the best available athlete at

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<v Speaker 6>this stage.

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<v Speaker 1>You know on the draft, he can he tracks the

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<v Speaker 1>football very well. He's got great tracking skills. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to work with there.

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<v Speaker 6>And the other thing is he's a willing defender and

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 6>run support. You have to have that at the safety position.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, he's going to desire to make an impact

0:23:56.359 --> 0:24:01.480
<v Speaker 6>when he closes on people. So it's so it's going

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<v Speaker 6>to be interesting, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 6>The thing you worry about it is sometimes he gets

0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 6>bullied by by blockers, you know, when he's in the

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 6>box at the collegiate level. So now you're you're jumping

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<v Speaker 6>to the police the National Football League, it's gonna be something.

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<v Speaker 1>To keep your out on.

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<v Speaker 2>Their tenth and final draft pick was center Matt Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him face u SE several times while playing

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.119
<v Speaker 2>at UCF, and then he transferred to the University of

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Miami for his final year and was a second team

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.640
<v Speaker 2>All ACC player LAP. I would think he's at least

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 2>got a chance to beat Ted Carris's backup in a

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<v Speaker 2>training camp battle with the incumbent Trey Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I think you look at the thing that

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 6>jumps out at me, thirty two and eighth inch jobs

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 6>and that that's obviously why he's playing center. But you know,

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 6>he's sixteen and a half over three hundred pounds and

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<v Speaker 6>pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>A five flat forty guy.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, that's that's that's some pretty good measurables right there, and.

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Like you say, competed you know, at a at an

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 1>all all conference level.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, this is another guy that, uh, if he

0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 6>was still around, why why compete with other teams to

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.119
<v Speaker 6>try to, you know, get him into training camp. He

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 6>probably the Bengals probably did themselves a favor financially to

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 6>take him in the seventh round because this is the

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 6>type of guy that I think he would have gotten

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 6>probably some some interest.

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 1>From multiple teams, you know. So yeah, I think it

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>takes you know, he's I think a hell of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more than just a training camp body.

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<v Speaker 6>But it also you know, helps Ted Carrison and alleviate

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 6>some of the snapload there.

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 1>And like you said, Trey.

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 6>Hill, we'll be in competition, and as we've always said,

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 6>no matter what the sporting endeavor, competition breeds excellence performance.

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:00.640
<v Speaker 1>So you look around and.

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<v Speaker 6>Say, hmm, you know, why why did they draft a

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 6>guy in my position?

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't care what grounds it is. Why why did

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>you draft somebody? Let's pick it up. You know, let's

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 1>not Ted Carris, Trey Hill. You know he's going to.

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 6>Now buckle down and keep developing in.

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Advancing and that's just deathloss the whole boat.

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's hit on some overall thoughts about the draft.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got I guess three things that really jump out

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 2>to me about the class that I really like. Number One,

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 2>they address their biggest need by using two top one

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred picks on defensive tackles. We had the chance to

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 2>interact with both of them today. And Chris Jenkins is

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 2>going to be a fan favorite, a bubbly effervescent personality

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.160
<v Speaker 2>and obviously a very good track record as a player

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 2>at Michigan. I don't know if he'll ever be a

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Pro Bowl guy, but I think he's going to be

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.399
<v Speaker 2>a very solid and reliable, high effort good player on

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals defensive line.

0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 6>Just an engaging personality, easy smicemile all the time. I mean, he's, uh,

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 6>you know, you can see why his teammates voted him to.

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Be a captain.

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 6>McKinley Jackson, the other big defensive tack that you talk about,

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 6>has a little bit different type of a personality, but

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 6>again very welcoming, easy to talk to, very approachable. I mean,

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.640
<v Speaker 6>these guys, I think, like you said, man, they're gonna

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 6>be They're gonna be fan favorites because they're just.

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 1>They're not They like being around people.

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 6>They're don't shy away from it, and it's I think

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 6>that's going to be something the community will embrace for sure.

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 6>And they're they're good football players. I mean that they're

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 6>obviously drafted, drafted for a need. I mean you look

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 6>at McKinley Jackson. The dudes like three hundred and almost

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 6>three hundred and thirty pounds, long arms, big old hands. Again,

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 6>we talked about these hands on these guys, how how

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 6>strong they are with their hands and Chris Jenkins looks

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 6>at He's another guy that carries his weight very well.

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean, the guy's three hundred pounds. He doesn't really

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 6>look it, you know. I mean he's and he runs

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 6>a four nine forty. It's six two and a half,

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 6>three hundred pound guy. You know, he's got some good

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 6>arm length. Thirty four inch arm length is a good

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 6>thing to have when you're in the interior the defensive

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.400
<v Speaker 6>line can trying to control, you know, a big monsters

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 6>that have long arms as well as almost get an

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 6>eighty inch wingspan.

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So it's look in talking and hearing him talk and

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 1>talking to him a little bit. I think it's going

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to be.

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 6>Very interesting because, I mean, his his pass rush ability

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 6>and trades and athleticism. I don't think it's been tapped

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 6>into yet because Michigan is very, very disciplined and how

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.479
<v Speaker 6>they do everything. I mean, it's like, okay, in this

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 6>particular play, you stay in this gap no matter what,

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 6>even if it's a you know, a third and seven

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 6>or if you're going to pass rush that you have

0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 6>to pass rush in this lane and you have to

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 6>be on the outside portion of that. It's very very structured,

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 6>very very disciplined. There's not a whole lot of freedom there.

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 6>So and I'm not saying that, you know, you come

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 6>to the National Football League and you're out of control

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 6>and you're you know, you're taking this wide rush up

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 6>the football field, you not stand.

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>In your in your gap responsibilities and all that sort

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>of thing.

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 6>But I think that I think the coach Holly and

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 6>Lean and Roumo were going to say, look, you got

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 6>some athleticism, You've got some overall body strength, it's incredible,

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 6>and some explosiveness.

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>To you, and you can be you can do a

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>lot more.

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 6>As an interior pass rush, and we're going to give

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 6>you the freedom to do it, and we're going to

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 6>improve your inventory moves.

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And you can let's get after it.

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>The next thing that I really liked was the fact

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 2>that they took a home run swing in the first

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>round by taking a Marius Mems. There's some risk involved,

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>obviously since he only had eight college starts, but they

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>have not drafted an offensive lineman that looks like that

0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 2>since Andrew Whitworth. And when we were ustered around him

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>with other reporters talking to him after he arrived in Cincinnati,

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I honestly thought to myself, how does anybody get past

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 2>this guy? He's maybe the first three hundred and forty

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 2>pound person I've ever seen in my life that looks

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>like he probably has.

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>A six pack.

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he is so solidly built and so gigantic.

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>You've got a chance to have a star if it

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>pans out.

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, I mean it is uh, it's incredible to see.

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Did you shake his hand?

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>In My hand was buried inside of his hand when

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>we shook.

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I know, I mean I shook his hand. I'm like,

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>whoa man, this is a mucker.

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 6>Now he's got he's got some big hole strong hands

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 6>on him, and he's got, you.

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Know, those long arms to go with it.

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 6>It's like an inspector gadget that has oversized hands and

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 6>man and and he's broad, he's wide, he's sticked everything

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 6>that you would you would want. He's he's big in

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 6>the right places, you know. And like you say, it

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 6>looks like he's carrying about two eighty five to ninety

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 6>and the dude's three forty.

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>It's it's incredible, you know.

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 6>And I asked him, so, when did you have your

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 6>gross burd And he grew like in one summer, like

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 6>about five or six inches, and I said.

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Dan, when you were laying in bed, could you feel

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>yourself growing?

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's crazy, it's crazy, but he is.

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>He's very athletic for a guy his size as well.

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean he played some basketball, he put.

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 6>The shot, he through the discus, and I just you know,

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 6>I think he's very coachable and the Bengals coaches we're

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 6>talking about not only the games that he was able

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 6>to play in and avoid injury, matching up.

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Against really good players in college football, playoff games and

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>things of that.

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 6>The practice tape, you know, he's going he's probably some

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 6>of his toughest competition, not if done, his most difficult

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 6>competition came in practice every day. You got you know,

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 6>five defensive lineman. When he was there, there were first

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 6>round that you know, been drafted in the first round.

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 6>So it's like, you know, you're talking about the cream

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 6>of the crop in the SEC, you know, and then

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 6>that's that's the that's the place to be in college football.

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 1>So there's in like we talked about before Dan with.

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 6>Him, in my estimation, the floor is the tape, and

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 6>it's it's solid, it's limited, but the tape that's there

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 6>is extremely solid when you watch this guy, but his ceiling.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Is unlimited because of the fact that you know he's

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>only just begun.

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 6>And I think he has the highest ceiling of any

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 6>player in the draft, particularly in the Bengals draft. But

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 6>I'm talking about in the draft in general, not just

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 6>offensive line or offensive tackle. I mean, this dude has

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 6>got an incredible uh ceiling. He's got a long ways

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 6>to go before he rests, and I think, Frank All,

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 6>it's gonna get a lot.

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Out of that big bag one. All right.

0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:00.040
<v Speaker 2>The final big picture thought for me has to do

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>with the Bengals culture. I think Zach Taylor and his

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>staff have done such a fantastic job in recent years

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 2>of building a great culture that it has allowed them

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>to take not huge chances, but slight chances with somebody

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 2>like Jermaine Burton, who obviously struggled to control his emotions

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 2>at times at Alabama and probably before that at Georgia.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>They're counting on the fact that this is such a

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>good group led by Joe Burrow, that Jermaine Burton will

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 2>learn the way it has to be done and should

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>be done, and will allow his incredible gifts to come through.

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>And I agree one.

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 6>Hundred thousand percent because you put tape on and watch

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 6>this guy. I mean, I remember when you know, okay,

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 6>wide receiver, who's left the.

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Burton's the guy.

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 6>Burton's the best wide receiver left on the on the

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 6>board right now. In fact, in my opinion, the dude

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:57.239
<v Speaker 6>had first round physical talents first round, you know, and

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 6>then obviously he didn't go in the costal so you know,

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 6>maybe the big, big lesson. Unfortunately, I think he could

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 6>have gone in the first round if it was.

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Totally clean his whole portfolio and as such.

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 6>So everything that everybody's been telling him about getting control

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 6>of yourself and you know, make sure that you take

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 6>care of business, you know, off the football field as

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 6>well as on the football field, keep your composure, keep

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 6>your head well cost him. I mean in my mind,

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 6>it's cost him. So maybe this is a bitter pill lesson.

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 6>You know, that is going to be the final component,

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 6>the final wake up call to make sure that you

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.800
<v Speaker 6>take care of business. You start to mature in that regard,

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 6>because man, this dude physically cheezy.

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he can get vertical in a hurry.

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 6>You average eighteen yards per reception in your career in

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 6>over twenty yards per reception in twenty twenty three, which

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 6>was number one in the end c C against that

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 6>type of competition. I mean, his ability to get vertical

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 6>is as good as there is in the country, you know.

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 6>I mean he can get it, get it done in

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 6>a hurry, and he's a he's a quality route.

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Runner because he've been working with our guy t J.

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 6>Huschman Zada, who was as good a route runners as

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<v Speaker 6>I've seen. And the thame when I watch him that

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<v Speaker 6>I've seen that he's gotten from TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a.

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<v Speaker 6>Little different wiggle, a little subtle different move when he's

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<v Speaker 6>running the So he'll run the same route in a

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<v Speaker 6>route tree three different times in a game and give

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<v Speaker 6>it defensive back just a little bit different look in

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<v Speaker 6>it every single time.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was what made t J.

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<v Speaker 6>Hushman Zada such a great route runner, as he never ran,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, his route tree the same way. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>he always came up with some sort of little improvisation,

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<v Speaker 6>some sort of a little just to just to not

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<v Speaker 6>let the defensive backs lock in man, you know, keep

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<v Speaker 6>them on their heels and not on their toes. And

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<v Speaker 6>this kid, I've seen some of that that Teja's you know,

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<v Speaker 6>a part of him. So I think the Bengals got

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<v Speaker 6>themselves a good one to work with man, And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I hope it's not a situation where, you know, collectively,

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<v Speaker 6>let's hold onto all hold on to our butts, because

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<v Speaker 6>it's gonna be a you know, a roller coaster ride.

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<v Speaker 6>Hopefully he's he's learned and continues that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maturation process because he's a player. Man, He's a dog,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, d A W G boy, a big dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Final question, have you talked enough about the draft over

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<v Speaker 2>the last seventy two hours?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>Hell yeah, no, No two ways about that.

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<v Speaker 1>As they say, I mean, yeah it is. I am

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<v Speaker 1>drafted out.

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<v Speaker 2>So we will wrap it up here and I'll look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to talking more about the draft of you in

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>How's that That.

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<v Speaker 6>Sounds like a planned coach that that forty eight hours be.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not gonna I'm not gonna look at, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>talk about or whatever. It's just going to be a

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<v Speaker 6>mass doos and mass quantities of grandkids.

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<v Speaker 2>If you miss them, you can go back and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to our conversations following the first two days of the

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<v Speaker 2>draft and then coming up on Monday, I'll get the

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<v Speaker 2>front office perspective as I'll be joined by the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>Director of College Scouting, Mike Potts. That's going to do

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