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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Dave Lapham joins me to break down the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: that keeps you coming back for more. Now, let's get

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Speaker 2: to Day three of the draft. The Bengals had six

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Speaker 2: picks on Saturday, and frankly, I'm surprised they used all

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Speaker 2: at some point they would have traded one of their

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Speaker 2: extra six or seventh rounders to move up, but they didn't,

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Speaker 2: and you'd never know what Day three pick is going

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Speaker 2: to pan out. Their first selection on Saturday was tight

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Speaker 2: end Eric All, a Cincinnati kid from Fairfield High School

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Speaker 2: who spent most of his college career at Michigan before

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Speaker 2: finishing with this season at Iowa. Eric undoubtedly would have

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Speaker 2: gone higher than the fourth round if not for injuries.

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Speaker 2: He had a back problem two years ago and tore

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Speaker 2: his ACL last season. Here's offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher. Very

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Speaker 2: well rounded, skill set, size, athleticism, contributor in both the

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Speaker 3: He's physical. We think he can be.

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Speaker 2: Really an all around tight end that can help us

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Speaker 2: in all phases. Eric said it was surreal to be

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Speaker 2: drafted by his hometown team, and he sounded giddy about

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to catch passes from Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Crazy. I remember watching the man at LSU just doing

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Speaker 1: just you know, it's pensive standard for the quarterbacks in

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Speaker 4: Just all, you know, it's going to be crazy cutching

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Speaker 2: In the fifth round, the Bengals chose cornerback Josh Newton

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Speaker 2: out of TCU. He's not a burner, as he ran

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Speaker 2: Here's defensive coordinator louena Arumo a.

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Speaker 5: Lot to like, plays inside, plays outside, you know, play

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Speaker 5: a bunch of games at nicol As I mentioned, He's

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Speaker 5: I believe seven interceptions in his career. Was first team

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Speaker 5: All Big twelve and twenty two. So great kid, great

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Speaker 2: Newton isn't shy about saying where he would like to

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Speaker 1: I mean Honestly, I like outside really the business, you know, outside,

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Speaker 2: With their first pick of the sixth round, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: Here's Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: He can win. In the past game, he can win,

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Speaker 3: He's got really good awareness, zone awareness. He's just got

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Speaker 3: So I've watched Arizona play for the last three years,

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Speaker 2: One knock on McLaughlin is his age. He was on

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Speaker 1: Through the process, you could, you know, some said it

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Speaker 2: Later in the sixth Cincinnati picked edge rusher Cedric Johnson

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Speaker 4: So I bring a lot of athleticism, my explosion of

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Speaker 4: I feel that I got allowed to bring to the team.

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Speaker 2: Their first pick of the seventh round, the Bengals chose

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Speaker 2: He's a feel good story, having started his college career

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Speaker 3: I appreciate his story and why he did all the

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Speaker 3: I think is special for him. And he's a guy

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Speaker 2: The Bengals final draft pick was Matt Lee, a slightly

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Speaker 3: I think it's a great fit for him, you know.

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Speaker 3: Ted will take home and have a chance show them

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Speaker 2: Lee earned All League honors three times in the last

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Speaker 1: Of the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Now time for an in depth look at this year's

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Speaker 2: draft class with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham.

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Speaker 1: All right. Laugh.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to day three of the draft, Zach

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Speaker 2: today's proceedings, telling reporters that Dat's Hill will be tried

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Speaker 2: assume that would be on the outside, competing with DJ Turner.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of that announcement by Zach?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people probably after the drafts that she's I wish

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Speaker 6: Or maybe we'll address the cornerback position in free agency

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Speaker 6: or the other phase of it, the second round of

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Speaker 6: think Leu and Arumo would pretty much let the cat

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Speaker 6: It's just, uh, this this guy is a talented player, physically,

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Speaker 1: You know. I think it's like, just have to find

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Speaker 1: And he has played that. They did play him in.

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Speaker 6: it's not like he uh you know, it's it's not like, boy,

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Speaker 6: interesting to see how he competes and and you know

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Speaker 1: You can you can you can always make other moves. Uh.

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Speaker 6: But that the spot that that they're going to think,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and and obviously the you know, the big knock

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Speaker 6: trying to find a home for a guy that that

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Speaker 6: definitely has National Football.

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Speaker 1: League physical abilities. There's there's no question about it. You know.

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Speaker 6: I think another thing they could do is is have

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Speaker 1: But they can still.

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Speaker 6: He's maybe not a Swiss army knife, but he's still

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cover the tight end in blitz. I mean, those

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Speaker 1: And you know the thing that you know that I

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Speaker 6: You know, when he was trying to put into words

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Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's huge. That's big.

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Speaker 6: And he's obviously you know, he's obviously gifted. I mean

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Speaker 1: But he's uh, he's he can.

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Speaker 6: Good route runner, you know, and uh, he's he can

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. I Mean, he's a he's a.

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Speaker 6: A very very talented athlete. Is he can break tackles

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Speaker 6: A very very talented football players, get very very quick feet.

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Speaker 1: So he's he's he's got it all.

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Speaker 6: I think he's extremely extremely strong, athletic, physically talented, just

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Speaker 6: the injury gods have to let him low for football

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Speaker 2: While, and he could be the best dual purpose tight

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and now that they've drafted a couple of tight ends,

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Speaker 1: That you have.

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Speaker 6: You know, a one has this skill set, another one

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Speaker 6: He can do the most things at a very significant level.

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Speaker 6: So he's definitely gonna he's definitely gonna roster and he's

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's six four plus, over.

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Speaker 6: Two hundred and fifty pounds, runs well, you know, he's

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Speaker 6: he's a big man. Wingspans seventy nine inches, his hands

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the other tight end that they drafted

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Speaker 2: sure enough, they took cornerback Josh Newton out of TCU,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's that speaks to his intelligence, you know that,

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Speaker 6: That's what you know. They say he's a high character

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Speaker 6: another you know, another guy that played at at a

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's that's that's the formula that has worked for.

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Speaker 6: The Cincinnati Bengals and putting together, you know, the strong.

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Speaker 6: To TCU, so you know he also he said, you

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Speaker 2: They had two picks in the sixth round. In the

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Speaker 2: He is a Canadian who played college football at Arizona,

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Speaker 1: But he's a big one. You know, six five and

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Speaker 6: You know, runs for six I mean, you know, he's

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Speaker 6: you know. I think he's got room for growth in

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Speaker 1: You know, he uh, he'll fight for contested catches. Uh.

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Speaker 6: I mean, is uh, he's got room for growth. I

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Speaker 1: That's you know, that's an.

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Speaker 6: But again, this is a guy that you look at it.

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Speaker 6: He was best player on the board. You know, he's

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Speaker 6: it was okay, well, who's the best available player.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna trust our board. We busted our butt putting.

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Speaker 6: This thing together, and I think some of these picks

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Speaker 6: let's not have to go fight for one and college

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Speaker 6: We've got and see if we can you know, develop

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Speaker 6: We can try to develop him if.

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Speaker 1: We feel like, you know, he's a good enough prospect

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Speaker 2: Second pick in the sixth round was an edge rusher,

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Speaker 2: Cedric Johnson sixty three to two sixty out of all

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Speaker 6: Yeah again, Uh, best available player, you know, I think,

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Speaker 6: plus four six forty, wingspan of almost eighty inches, I mean,

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Speaker 1: You know, played at a big program and a big conference.

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Speaker 6: It's, uh, he's he's he's definitely a guy that has confidence.

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Speaker 6: I thought in his uh, pressery. He he's almost like

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Speaker 6: you know, and he's got he's got speed to chase

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Speaker 1: There's there's a lot to work with there, There's there's.

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Speaker 6: No doubt about it. He talked about his versatility. You know,

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Speaker 1: Probably during cut above average. Let's see what Let's see

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Speaker 6: Advanced players when he comes to the National Football League with.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals first pick in the seventh round. They took

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Speaker 2: He started his college football career as a Division two

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Speaker 2: spot on the practice squad and looking to show that

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00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: he can contribute on special teams.

439
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is amazing. I mean what he started as

440
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 6: a career at Shepherd University.

441
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: Then and then transferred from Liberty. I mean, it's it's crazy.

442
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: There's there's a here's a.

443
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 6: Guy that was not gonna let his dream die and

444
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 6: believed in himself. You know, he's he's got some flashy athleticism,

445
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 6: you know, I mean he moves, he moves.

446
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: Pretty john Well and and he's.

447
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 6: Dogged lee determined to make plays all over the football field.

448
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 6: He's got an outstanding change of direction, and he can

449
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 6: flip his hips.

450
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: He can uh, you know, he can he can stay

451
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: in the phase.

452
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 6: With ruth receivers vertically, and that's that's important, you know

453
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 6: at the at the safety position, we know all about that.

454
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 6: He's got solid range, you know when he's playing over

455
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 6: the top and two high schemes.

456
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: So I think Leuano Rumo likes that he's got. He's

457
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: got a lot of, uh, you know, a lot of

458
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: traits that they.

459
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 6: Like and I think, again, the best available athlete at

460
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 6: this stage.

461
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: You know on the draft, he can he tracks the

462
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: football very well. He's got great tracking skills. So there's

463
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: a lot to work with there.

464
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 6: And the other thing is he's a willing defender and

465
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 6: run support. You have to have that at the safety position.

466
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 6: You know, he's going to desire to make an impact

467
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 6: when he closes on people. So it's so it's going

468
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 6: to be interesting, I think.

469
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: I think.

470
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 6: The thing you worry about it is sometimes he gets

471
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 6: bullied by by blockers, you know, when he's in the

472
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 6: box at the collegiate level. So now you're you're jumping

473
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 6: to the police the National Football League, it's gonna be something.

474
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: To keep your out on.

475
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: Their tenth and final draft pick was center Matt Lee.

476
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: I saw him face u SE several times while playing

477
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: at UCF, and then he transferred to the University of

478
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: Miami for his final year and was a second team

479
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 2: All ACC player LAP. I would think he's at least

480
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: got a chance to beat Ted Carris's backup in a

481
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: training camp battle with the incumbent Trey Hill.

482
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

483
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 6: I mean, I think you look at the thing that

484
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 6: jumps out at me, thirty two and eighth inch jobs

485
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 6: and that that's obviously why he's playing center. But you know,

486
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 6: he's sixteen and a half over three hundred pounds and

487
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 6: pretty much.

488
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: A five flat forty guy.

489
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's that's some pretty good measurables right there, and.

490
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: Like you say, competed you know, at a at an

491
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: all all conference level.

492
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 6: I mean, this is another guy that, uh, if he

493
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 6: was still around, why why compete with other teams to

494
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 6: try to, you know, get him into training camp. He

495
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 6: probably the Bengals probably did themselves a favor financially to

496
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 6: take him in the seventh round because this is the

497
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 6: type of guy that I think he would have gotten

498
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 6: probably some some interest.

499
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: From multiple teams, you know. So yeah, I think it

500
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: takes you know, he's I think a hell of a

501
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: lot more than just a training camp body.

502
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 6: But it also you know, helps Ted Carrison and alleviate

503
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 6: some of the snapload there.

504
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: And like you said, Trey.

505
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 6: Hill, we'll be in competition, and as we've always said,

506
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 6: no matter what the sporting endeavor, competition breeds excellence performance.

507
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: So you look around and.

508
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 6: Say, hmm, you know, why why did they draft a

509
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 6: guy in my position?

510
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: I don't care what grounds it is. Why why did

511
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: you draft somebody? Let's pick it up. You know, let's

512
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: not Ted Carris, Trey Hill. You know he's going to.

513
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 6: Now buckle down and keep developing in.

514
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: Advancing and that's just deathloss the whole boat.

515
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: All right, let's hit on some overall thoughts about the draft.

516
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: I've got I guess three things that really jump out

517
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: to me about the class that I really like. Number One,

518
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: they address their biggest need by using two top one

519
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: hundred picks on defensive tackles. We had the chance to

520
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: interact with both of them today. And Chris Jenkins is

521
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: going to be a fan favorite, a bubbly effervescent personality

522
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: and obviously a very good track record as a player

523
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: at Michigan. I don't know if he'll ever be a

524
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl guy, but I think he's going to be

525
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: a very solid and reliable, high effort good player on

526
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: the Bengals defensive line.

527
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 6: Just an engaging personality, easy smicemile all the time. I mean, he's, uh,

528
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 6: you know, you can see why his teammates voted him to.

529
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: Be a captain.

530
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 6: McKinley Jackson, the other big defensive tack that you talk about,

531
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 6: has a little bit different type of a personality, but

532
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 6: again very welcoming, easy to talk to, very approachable. I mean,

533
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 6: these guys, I think, like you said, man, they're gonna

534
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 6: be They're gonna be fan favorites because they're just.

535
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: They're not They like being around people.

536
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 6: They're don't shy away from it, and it's I think

537
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 6: that's going to be something the community will embrace for sure.

538
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 6: And they're they're good football players. I mean that they're

539
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 6: obviously drafted, drafted for a need. I mean you look

540
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 6: at McKinley Jackson. The dudes like three hundred and almost

541
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 6: three hundred and thirty pounds, long arms, big old hands. Again,

542
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 6: we talked about these hands on these guys, how how

543
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 6: strong they are with their hands and Chris Jenkins looks

544
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 6: at He's another guy that carries his weight very well.

545
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 6: I mean, the guy's three hundred pounds. He doesn't really

546
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 6: look it, you know. I mean he's and he runs

547
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 6: a four nine forty. It's six two and a half,

548
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 6: three hundred pound guy. You know, he's got some good

549
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 6: arm length. Thirty four inch arm length is a good

550
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 6: thing to have when you're in the interior the defensive

551
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 6: line can trying to control, you know, a big monsters

552
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 6: that have long arms as well as almost get an

553
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 6: eighty inch wingspan.

554
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: So it's look in talking and hearing him talk and

555
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: talking to him a little bit. I think it's going

556
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: to be.

557
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 6: Very interesting because, I mean, his his pass rush ability

558
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 6: and trades and athleticism. I don't think it's been tapped

559
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 6: into yet because Michigan is very, very disciplined and how

560
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 6: they do everything. I mean, it's like, okay, in this

561
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 6: particular play, you stay in this gap no matter what,

562
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 6: even if it's a you know, a third and seven

563
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 6: or if you're going to pass rush that you have

564
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 6: to pass rush in this lane and you have to

565
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 6: be on the outside portion of that. It's very very structured,

566
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 6: very very disciplined. There's not a whole lot of freedom there.

567
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 6: So and I'm not saying that, you know, you come

568
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 6: to the National Football League and you're out of control

569
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 6: and you're you know, you're taking this wide rush up

570
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 6: the football field, you not stand.

571
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: In your in your gap responsibilities and all that sort

572
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: of thing.

573
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 6: But I think that I think the coach Holly and

574
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 6: Lean and Roumo were going to say, look, you got

575
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 6: some athleticism, You've got some overall body strength, it's incredible,

576
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 6: and some explosiveness.

577
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: To you, and you can be you can do a

578
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: lot more.

579
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 6: As an interior pass rush, and we're going to give

580
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 6: you the freedom to do it, and we're going to

581
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 6: improve your inventory moves.

582
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: And you can let's get after it.

583
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: The next thing that I really liked was the fact

584
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: that they took a home run swing in the first

585
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: round by taking a Marius Mems. There's some risk involved,

586
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: obviously since he only had eight college starts, but they

587
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: have not drafted an offensive lineman that looks like that

588
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: since Andrew Whitworth. And when we were ustered around him

589
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: with other reporters talking to him after he arrived in Cincinnati,

590
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: I honestly thought to myself, how does anybody get past

591
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: this guy? He's maybe the first three hundred and forty

592
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: pound person I've ever seen in my life that looks

593
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: like he probably has.

594
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: A six pack.

595
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he is so solidly built and so gigantic.

596
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: You've got a chance to have a star if it

597
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: pans out.

598
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean it is uh, it's incredible to see.

599
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: Did you shake his hand?

600
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: In My hand was buried inside of his hand when

601
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: we shook.

602
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I mean I shook his hand. I'm like,

603
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: whoa man, this is a mucker.

604
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 6: Now he's got he's got some big hole strong hands

605
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 6: on him, and he's got, you.

606
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: Know, those long arms to go with it.

607
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 6: It's like an inspector gadget that has oversized hands and

608
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 6: man and and he's broad, he's wide, he's sticked everything

609
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 6: that you would you would want. He's he's big in

610
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 6: the right places, you know. And like you say, it

611
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 6: looks like he's carrying about two eighty five to ninety

612
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 6: and the dude's three forty.

613
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible, you know.

614
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 6: And I asked him, so, when did you have your

615
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 6: gross burd And he grew like in one summer, like

616
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 6: about five or six inches, and I said.

617
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: Dan, when you were laying in bed, could you feel

618
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: yourself growing?

619
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 6: I mean, it's crazy, it's crazy, but he is.

620
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: He's very athletic for a guy his size as well.

621
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean he played some basketball, he put.

622
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 6: The shot, he through the discus, and I just you know,

623
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 6: I think he's very coachable and the Bengals coaches we're

624
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 6: talking about not only the games that he was able

625
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 6: to play in and avoid injury, matching up.

626
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: Against really good players in college football, playoff games and

627
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: things of that.

628
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 6: The practice tape, you know, he's going he's probably some

629
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 6: of his toughest competition, not if done, his most difficult

630
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 6: competition came in practice every day. You got you know,

631
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 6: five defensive lineman. When he was there, there were first

632
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 6: round that you know, been drafted in the first round.

633
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 6: So it's like, you know, you're talking about the cream

634
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 6: of the crop in the SEC, you know, and then

635
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 6: that's that's the that's the place to be in college football.

636
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: So there's in like we talked about before Dan with.

637
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 6: Him, in my estimation, the floor is the tape, and

638
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 6: it's it's solid, it's limited, but the tape that's there

639
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 6: is extremely solid when you watch this guy, but his ceiling.

640
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Is unlimited because of the fact that you know he's

641
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: only just begun.

642
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 6: And I think he has the highest ceiling of any

643
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 6: player in the draft, particularly in the Bengals draft. But

644
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 6: I'm talking about in the draft in general, not just

645
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 6: offensive line or offensive tackle. I mean, this dude has

646
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 6: got an incredible uh ceiling. He's got a long ways

647
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 6: to go before he rests, and I think, Frank All,

648
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 6: it's gonna get a lot.

649
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Out of that big bag one. All right.

650
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 2: The final big picture thought for me has to do

651
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: with the Bengals culture. I think Zach Taylor and his

652
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: staff have done such a fantastic job in recent years

653
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: of building a great culture that it has allowed them

654
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: to take not huge chances, but slight chances with somebody

655
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: like Jermaine Burton, who obviously struggled to control his emotions

656
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: at times at Alabama and probably before that at Georgia.

657
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: They're counting on the fact that this is such a

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Speaker 2: good group led by Joe Burrow, that Jermaine Burton will

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Speaker 2: learn the way it has to be done and should

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Speaker 2: be done, and will allow his incredible gifts to come through.

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Speaker 1: And I agree one.

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Speaker 6: Hundred thousand percent because you put tape on and watch

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Speaker 6: this guy. I mean, I remember when you know, okay,

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Speaker 6: wide receiver, who's left the.

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Speaker 1: Burton's the guy.

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Speaker 6: Burton's the best wide receiver left on the on the

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Speaker 6: board right now. In fact, in my opinion, the dude

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Speaker 6: had first round physical talents first round, you know, and

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Speaker 6: then obviously he didn't go in the costal so you know,

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Speaker 6: maybe the big, big lesson. Unfortunately, I think he could

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Speaker 6: have gone in the first round if it was.

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Speaker 1: Totally clean his whole portfolio and as such.

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Speaker 6: So everything that everybody's been telling him about getting control

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Speaker 6: of yourself and you know, make sure that you take

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Speaker 6: care of business, you know, off the football field as

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Speaker 6: well as on the football field, keep your composure, keep

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Speaker 6: your head well cost him. I mean in my mind,

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Speaker 6: it's cost him. So maybe this is a bitter pill lesson.

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Speaker 6: You know, that is going to be the final component,

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Speaker 6: the final wake up call to make sure that you

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Speaker 6: take care of business. You start to mature in that regard,

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Speaker 6: because man, this dude physically cheezy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he can get vertical in a hurry.

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Speaker 6: You average eighteen yards per reception in your career in

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Speaker 6: over twenty yards per reception in twenty twenty three, which

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Speaker 6: was number one in the end c C against that

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Speaker 6: type of competition. I mean, his ability to get vertical

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Speaker 6: is as good as there is in the country, you know.

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Speaker 6: I mean he can get it, get it done in

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Speaker 6: a hurry, and he's a he's a quality route.

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Speaker 1: Runner because he've been working with our guy t J.

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Speaker 6: Huschman Zada, who was as good a route runners as

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Speaker 6: I've seen. And the thame when I watch him that

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Speaker 6: I've seen that he's gotten from TJ.

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Speaker 1: He has a.

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Speaker 6: Little different wiggle, a little subtle different move when he's

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Speaker 6: running the So he'll run the same route in a

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Speaker 6: route tree three different times in a game and give

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Speaker 6: it defensive back just a little bit different look in

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Speaker 6: it every single time.

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Speaker 1: And that was what made t J.

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Speaker 6: Hushman Zada such a great route runner, as he never ran,

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Speaker 6: you know, his route tree the same way. You know,

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Speaker 6: he always came up with some sort of little improvisation,

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Speaker 6: some sort of a little just to just to not

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Speaker 6: let the defensive backs lock in man, you know, keep

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Speaker 6: them on their heels and not on their toes. And

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Speaker 6: this kid, I've seen some of that that Teja's you know,

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Speaker 6: a part of him. So I think the Bengals got

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Speaker 6: themselves a good one to work with man, And you know,

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Speaker 6: I hope it's not a situation where, you know, collectively,

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Speaker 6: let's hold onto all hold on to our butts, because

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Speaker 6: it's gonna be a you know, a roller coaster ride.

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Speaker 6: Hopefully he's he's learned and continues that.

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Speaker 1: Maturation process because he's a player. Man, He's a dog,

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Speaker 1: like we said, d A W G boy, a big dog.

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Speaker 2: Final question, have you talked enough about the draft over

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Speaker 2: the last seventy two hours?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Hell yeah, no, No two ways about that.

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Speaker 1: As they say, I mean, yeah it is. I am

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Speaker 1: drafted out.

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Speaker 2: So we will wrap it up here and I'll look

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Speaker 2: forward to talking more about the draft of you in

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Speaker 2: a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: How's that That.

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Speaker 6: Sounds like a planned coach that that forty eight hours be.

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna look at, you know,

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Speaker 6: talk about or whatever. It's just going to be a

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Speaker 6: mass doos and mass quantities of grandkids.

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Speaker 2: If you miss them, you can go back and listen

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Speaker 2: to our conversations following the first two days of the

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Speaker 2: draft and then coming up on Monday, I'll get the

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Speaker 2: front office perspective as I'll be joined by the Bengals

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Speaker 2: Director of College Scouting, Mike Potts. That's going to do

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