Speaker 1: Up next, Ow Wow with Gianno called part of the gang.
Speaker 1: WI one prominent conservative is drawn a line in the sand,
Speaker 1: she said, quote, I am no longer a Republican. She
Speaker 1: went on to say, until the party decides that it
Speaker 1: wants to be conservative again. Today this ex Republican I
Speaker 1: discussed why she left the party and debate the future
Speaker 1: of the GOP. This is outlined with Gianno called ye.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Allow with Gianno called blow. I'm Gianno
Speaker 1: called blow, and I've got a great show for you
Speaker 1: guys this week. My guests is Jenna Ellis, a lawyer
Speaker 1: who served as legal advisor for President Trump and his
Speaker 1: re election campaign, and she was also named to his
Speaker 1: legal team that challenged the election results. Currently, Ellis is
Speaker 1: a contributor for Newsmax and holds her own show Just
Speaker 1: the Truth on Real America's Voice. She also launched the
Speaker 1: Election Integrity Alliance. Today I asked Alice about her decision
Speaker 1: to leave the GOP in the future of the party
Speaker 1: and we look forward too, Let's go. So we've been
Speaker 1: trying to do this for a while, and what I
Speaker 1: mean by this is have someone who's been a superstar
Speaker 1: and the Republican Party and the conservative movement. You may
Speaker 1: know her as a conservative that voices issues on a
Speaker 1: lot of things, but she's someone who really got her
Speaker 1: big star when she defended President Trump with Rudy Giuliani
Speaker 1: among some election fraud cases. So I want to welcome
Speaker 1: to Outlow with Gianno Caldwell, Jenna Ellis. Pleasure to be
Speaker 1: on with you. Thank you so much, Gianno. It's great.
Speaker 1: And I know we've been talking about Dennis for a
Speaker 1: while and I really appreciate your very strong conservative voice
Speaker 1: as well. So thank you for everything that you do. No,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Now. I want to jump right
Speaker 1: into it because you want You're somebody that a lot
Speaker 1: of folks respect. A lot of Republicans have hit there
Speaker 1: on you. They appreciate what you did for President Donald
Speaker 1: Trump um defending him, and recently you caused a stir
Speaker 1: earlier this month when you announced that you you're officially
Speaker 1: leaving the Republican Party. You called on all top Republican
Speaker 1: officials to rason and accuse the GOP of no longer
Speaker 1: being conservative. Could you elaborate on why you left the
Speaker 1: party and why you're upset with his leadership. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a great question. And you know, I have always been
Speaker 1: someone who is a conservative based on my principles and
Speaker 1: based on uh, the Judeo Christian ethic, that our country
Speaker 1: was founded upon an understanding that that world best statement
Speaker 1: in our Declaration of Independence that says that we hold
Speaker 1: these truths to be self evident, that all men are
Speaker 1: created equal, They're endowed by God, our creator, with certain
Speaker 1: unalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty in the pursuit
Speaker 1: of happiness. Um, that's principled, because we can't have true
Speaker 1: equality without under standing who our creator is and understanding
Speaker 1: that all human beings have inherent dignity and worth. And Uh,
Speaker 1: the founding of our nation and the reason I love
Speaker 1: the brilliance of our constitution is that America was the
Speaker 1: first nation in world history to actually be predicated and
Speaker 1: our system of government predicated based on recognition of those
Speaker 1: fundamental truths. And so conservatism as an idea is conserving
Speaker 1: those truths and is recognizing that the sole responsibility of
Speaker 1: government is to preserve and protect our individual rights. And
Speaker 1: so I'm not just pro choice, I'm not just uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a Christian. I'm not just pro capitalism and
Speaker 1: all of these different philosophies in different arenas um to
Speaker 1: to me. And and the best understanding of our system
Speaker 1: of government and the reality to which we're presented is
Speaker 1: understanding that this is a comprehensive philosophy that's rooted in
Speaker 1: truth and the identity of the One True God of
Speaker 1: the Bible. And so I say all of that as
Speaker 1: a predicate to say that I have um been conservative
Speaker 1: for my life. I've been a member of the Republican
Speaker 1: Party for all my life. Certainly I'm growing in the
Speaker 1: grace and knowledge of the of my Lord and Savior
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, but I also am fundamentally always willing to
Speaker 1: stand up and speak for the truth. And when I
Speaker 1: first got a phone call from President Trump and UM,
Speaker 1: he actually just called me out of the blue. He
Speaker 1: had seen me on TV defending the Constitution, and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I have some questions for you. UM, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this. This is in the context
Speaker 1: of the first impeachment, hoped, and I just laid out.
Speaker 1: I gave him, you know, my honest opinion of the law.
Speaker 1: We talked about the philosophy of the Constitution, and UM,
Speaker 1: all of these things. He has such a great depth
Speaker 1: of knowledge of of our history as Americans, and he
Speaker 1: wants to protect that aspect of conservatism. It was one
Speaker 1: of the greatest privileges of my life to work for
Speaker 1: him defend him. And so this is more than just
Speaker 1: me saying politically, I differ with how we can best
Speaker 1: implement our system of government, or I differ a little
Speaker 1: bit with the Republican Party's platform. This is all about truth.
Speaker 1: And when you have the Republican Party that is going
Speaker 1: so big tent and is saying having Ronn McDaniel, who's
Speaker 1: the chairwoman, tweet and post UH four in support of
Speaker 1: Pride Month, for example, and saying that human sexuality, apart
Speaker 1: from understanding the biological measurable differences between men and women,
Speaker 1: the truth of moral human sexuality, that is not a
Speaker 1: Conservative principle and that's not the traditional Republican Party. But
Speaker 1: then even further than that, I've always spoken up for
Speaker 1: that truth. And um, then when the Republican Party, Jano
Speaker 1: went so far as to lie to the American people
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the election and tell America in
Speaker 1: when Rudy Giuliani and I and Bernie Kyrrick and others
Speaker 1: were standing in the face of threats in the face
Speaker 1: of other lawyers quitting and saying we have to get
Speaker 1: to the truth of what happened in the Republican Party
Speaker 1: was telling the American people that they supported us, but
Speaker 1: their chief council, Justin Reamer sent an email in early
Speaker 1: November to other members of the GOP from his GEOP
Speaker 1: official address saying what Rudy and Jenna are doing is
Speaker 1: a joke. And he disclaimed the effort for the truth
Speaker 1: privately multiple times, and the RNC fundraised over two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty million dollars from Americans saying that they were
Speaker 1: fighting for election integrity when they weren't. And so that's
Speaker 1: my problem is that they're lying. And Rona McDaniel knew
Speaker 1: that I spoke to her directly the night that I
Speaker 1: received that email from an inside RNC was a blower.
Speaker 1: In November, she promised me and Rudy and the President
Speaker 1: that she was going to fire Justin, that he would
Speaker 1: be gone by morning. We thought she had lived up
Speaker 1: to her word, and it's only been in recent weeks
Speaker 1: that we've learned not only is that not correct, but
Speaker 1: she's now going on national media and denying the entire story.
Speaker 1: I have the email I have the text messages. This
Speaker 1: is not about me and her. This is about a
Speaker 1: battle for the truth and that the American people need
Speaker 1: to know. The Republican Party now is so divorced from
Speaker 1: genuine conservative principles and what it actually means to be
Speaker 1: an American. I can't stand up now, Gianno and say
Speaker 1: I am a member of that party. Otherwise I'm no
Speaker 1: longer advocating for the truth or for the truth that
Speaker 1: President Trump fought so hard for. Wow, you, I mean,
Speaker 1: you gave us a lot to digest there. So just
Speaker 1: a couple of things here. One is the issue with
Speaker 1: r N c um and you say that Ronald McDonald
Speaker 1: lied to you. She said that she was going to
Speaker 1: fire just than she did not, and she's saying that
Speaker 1: she didn't say that she was going to fire justin.
Speaker 1: But also this this area of conservatism, the principles, the
Speaker 1: the principles of the conservative movement not being followed by
Speaker 1: today's Republican Party, which is also the same accusations that
Speaker 1: they made, many folks made. And when Donald Trump took
Speaker 1: over the Republican Party, how do you how do those
Speaker 1: two do two things differ? Yeah, So that's a great question.
Speaker 1: And you know, initially, a lot of people know, and
Speaker 1: my Twitter haters love to point out, then initially I
Speaker 1: wasn't a supporter of Donald Trump in the primaries of Um,
Speaker 1: it's a well known fact that I supported Ted Cruz.
Speaker 1: And obviously the world of politics is a closed universe
Speaker 1: situation where you only have X number of candidates and
Speaker 1: you have to choose the best from among them. UM.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been a candidate, nor ever
Speaker 1: will be that I'll agree a hundred percent with their
Speaker 1: their political philosophy or their political policy determinations. Um. There
Speaker 1: were things, and even after I worked for President Trump
Speaker 1: in his administration, that I personally disagreed with, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: But what I came to recognize is that people who
Speaker 1: were completely disavowing Donald Trump calling out his former lifestyle
Speaker 1: that wasn't Christian, Well, that's true, and I have never
Speaker 1: ever endorsed that. Of course, you know, any sort of
Speaker 1: conduct that goes against the Bible is sinned by definition.
Speaker 1: I'm not a perfect person. I repent of my sin daily, hopefully,
Speaker 1: and um, Jesus's blood covers all. But what I came
Speaker 1: to recognize is that everything that the left was impugning
Speaker 1: Donald Trump for was actually when he was a registered Democrat.
Speaker 1: So people change, and I personally after them. Getting to
Speaker 1: know Donald Trump. I heard him speak in July. He
Speaker 1: said so very clearly at the Western Conservative Summit. I
Speaker 1: was then a professor at Colorado Christian University. I heard
Speaker 1: him speak and he articulated the conservative philosophy of government,
Speaker 1: of why we are supposed to have limited government, of
Speaker 1: why America is founded on these principles, and I became
Speaker 1: a supporter of his and I'm very grateful that I did,
Speaker 1: because he has been the most pro life, conservative, god
Speaker 1: fearing president of my lifetime. And he is willing to
Speaker 1: stand up and go to the pro life marches, the
Speaker 1: March for Life. He's he was willing to stand up
Speaker 1: and say from Mount Rushmore last fourth of July, where
Speaker 1: I was grateful to be in attendance with him, to
Speaker 1: talk about the founding of America on on God's principles
Speaker 1: of truth and and the biblical understanding of the philosophy
Speaker 1: of government. And so while his past may not be perfect,
Speaker 1: in his presence he absolutely is a conservative. Now I'm
Speaker 1: not saying if he's a perfect person, neither a mine,
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is what I support about Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: and I'm proud to support him, is that he is
Speaker 1: genuinely conservative where the Republican Party used to be. But
Speaker 1: instead of making that change from Democrat to Republican like
Speaker 1: he did, liberal to conservatives, they're going backward and the
Speaker 1: Republican Party is now no longer conservatives. So if that
Speaker 1: be the case, the Republican Party is no longer conservative,
Speaker 1: you're no longer a Republican, but you're still a conservative.
Speaker 1: Where do you go from here? I mean, clearly, you
Speaker 1: have a two party system. Unless Trump, which he hasn't
Speaker 1: said that he would have the Party of Trump. What
Speaker 1: would you do with your vote? Sure, there is a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing in my home state of Colorado, where I
Speaker 1: am still a registered and active voter. I've been involved
Speaker 1: in Colorado politics a long time. There's a beautiful thing
Speaker 1: called unaffiliated, and so that's my intention is to become unaffiliated.
Speaker 1: I can still in the primaries, but even more importantly,
Speaker 1: well there's probably nothing more important than my vote, but
Speaker 1: just as importantly, I can still advocate for genuinely conservative candidates,
Speaker 1: and if they're running under the Republican ticket, that's fine.
Speaker 1: But what we need is genuine conservative to stand up
Speaker 1: and disclaim where the Republican National Party is going and
Speaker 1: say we are still going to run and I don't
Speaker 1: I don't care, frankly, if they're running as a Republican
Speaker 1: or an independent or a Tea party or whatever. If
Speaker 1: they are going into government office to champion conservative, truth
Speaker 1: based principles, I will support them, and I would encourage
Speaker 1: my fellow Americans who are listening to this. We need
Speaker 1: to disclaim false non truth and maybe if enough of
Speaker 1: us stop supporting the rnc's idea of being big tentant,
Speaker 1: we can either start a new party or we can
Speaker 1: bring the Republican Party back to conservative tism so as
Speaker 1: it is now. If the Republican Party had new leadership,
Speaker 1: had someone who is willing to stand for truth, unlike
Speaker 1: Ronald McDaniel, who is willing to not be a liar,
Speaker 1: I would certainly be open to reregistering as a Republican.
Speaker 1: But where I'm going from here is supporting individual candidates
Speaker 1: that are willing to also champion the values that I
Speaker 1: so deeply cherish, and family, faith and freedom issues are
Speaker 1: so important. We can't just have this idea of a
Speaker 1: two party system and say, well, I guess I have
Speaker 1: to go along with the R and C because that's
Speaker 1: the best we're going to get. I I reject that.
Speaker 1: I think we can do better. Have you talked to
Speaker 1: Donald Trump about any of this you leave in the
Speaker 1: party or um, some of the things that you were
Speaker 1: told by the chairwoman as to what they were going
Speaker 1: to do with the lawsuits or any any of those things.
Speaker 1: Have you spoken with him recently? That's also a great question.
Speaker 1: And yes, I speak to him frequently. In fact, the
Speaker 1: day that this all came out, I called him and
Speaker 1: I said, I just want you to know that you know,
Speaker 1: this is what happened. I briefly described the situation, and
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm not willing to support Rona's lies.
Speaker 1: And and he knew by the way, UM, he was
Speaker 1: well informed by myself and Rudy Giuliani of everything that
Speaker 1: had gone on with with Justin and UM. And it's
Speaker 1: my understanding I wasn't present when he and Rona may
Speaker 1: or may not have talked, but it's my understanding that
Speaker 1: they did talk. And she made the same promise to him,
Speaker 1: and she told us she would she would promise Trump
Speaker 1: to fire justin. He was well aware of that whole
Speaker 1: situation back in November, and so, UM, you know that
Speaker 1: wasn't something that was a surprise to him. UM. And
Speaker 1: I can I can just tell you that you know,
Speaker 1: he he has always and I respect him for this.
Speaker 1: He has always valued me telling him the truth. And
Speaker 1: that's a promise that I made to him when I
Speaker 1: first started working for him, because you may not always
Speaker 1: you know, like or prefer it, UM, but I will
Speaker 1: always tell you the truth, unlike so many other people
Speaker 1: in Washington that operate out of politics, UM and and
Speaker 1: their own self interest. I've told so many people around
Speaker 1: him who don't like the fact that I'm telling him
Speaker 1: the truth about um, you know, whether it's policy, whether
Speaker 1: it's what he how he could act in his presidential capacity, constitutionally,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. There were people that didn't like that
Speaker 1: I told him the truth. And I always told them,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm here to serve at the pleasure of
Speaker 1: the president. And if you know, someday I don't get
Speaker 1: to anymore and I leave DC, that's fine, I go
Speaker 1: back to Colorado, that's fine. But as long as I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have integrity. And so he was appreciative
Speaker 1: of my call, and you know, we're certainly still in touch.
Speaker 1: So do you think Donald Trump has lost faith in
Speaker 1: the Republican Party and his leadership? As you ask? You know,
Speaker 1: I can't speak for him on that, and I'm certainly
Speaker 1: not going to get ahead of him on that, but
Speaker 1: I do think and I know from him that he
Speaker 1: is always very concerned about making sure that we as
Speaker 1: as a group of conservatives, you know, juxtapose against the
Speaker 1: Nancy Polos Shumers of the world, are doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: So so you know, my my thought is he's probably
Speaker 1: you know, watching this and and it's carefully considering what
Speaker 1: he would and wouldn't say publicly. But I'm but I'm
Speaker 1: sure that he's concerned, and I know that he is
Speaker 1: always as well an advocate for the truth. We're talking
Speaker 1: to Jenna Ellis, the prominent attorney who served as President
Speaker 1: Trump's legal advisor. We've got much more with her right
Speaker 1: after a break. So I want to shift now to
Speaker 1: all the Trump losses concerned in the election. You clearly
Speaker 1: would deeply involve you, help lead the strategy with Rudy Giuliani.
Speaker 1: Where does any of this stand today? Are all the
Speaker 1: cases done um, and people have been saying, oh, Trump
Speaker 1: is gonna become back president again in August. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure where that's coming from. But can you walk us
Speaker 1: through what happened and what's going on and if there's
Speaker 1: anything to be expected in the future. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great question. Well, first off, absolutely, we can still expect
Speaker 1: that the fight for election integrity is continuing. And as
Speaker 1: a colleague of mine just said to me yesterday, it's
Speaker 1: actually election justice. We need to make sure that in
Speaker 1: this country justice prevails. And what happened in just very
Speaker 1: briefly is that there were so much evidence right away
Speaker 1: of election officials, co workers, secretaries of state governors, everyone
Speaker 1: from the executive branch from the top all the way
Speaker 1: down to the administrators of the election that in at
Speaker 1: least five states we're talking Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona,
Speaker 1: that their elections were so lawless and so completely against
Speaker 1: the laws of the state that the legislature set up
Speaker 1: which constitutionally the state legislature directs the manner of elections,
Speaker 1: it was so lawless in its administration that the election
Speaker 1: result was irredeemably compromised. It was so thoroughly corrupted that
Speaker 1: in the initial about six to eight weeks that we
Speaker 1: had in the aftermath of November three, there was still
Speaker 1: so much coming out, witnesses, documents, videos that you know,
Speaker 1: we've since recovered, um, you know the one out of
Speaker 1: Georgia that came very late showing you know, the ballots
Speaker 1: that were under the table in suitcases. Now some of
Speaker 1: the audits that are happening, the truth is continuing to
Speaker 1: come out. But in the immediate aftermath of what was
Speaker 1: so readily apparent, because we knew that the Democrats were
Speaker 1: trying to harness COVID as a pretext to push in
Speaker 1: universal vote by mail, there were ballots that scanned multiple times.
Speaker 1: There were ballots, all of these mail in ballots. There's
Speaker 1: some that were sent out with no record, there were
Speaker 1: ones that were counted without poll watchers being present. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you open an envelope of a mail
Speaker 1: in ballot at that point it's compromised. You can't ever
Speaker 1: put the ballot back in the envelope and guarantee the
Speaker 1: chain of customing. All of these issues right, So, initially
Speaker 1: the plan was twofold. One was a litigation track to
Speaker 1: have a judicial order telling the state legislatures, yes, this
Speaker 1: has been compromised, and to stop the certifications to Congress
Speaker 1: of the electors. And then the state legislatures would have
Speaker 1: the authority to determine which slate would go absent a
Speaker 1: judicial order of that nature. The state legislatures have the
Speaker 1: inherent constitutional authority was called planary power, meaning absolute. It's
Speaker 1: only up to that what slate of electors they send.
Speaker 1: And what a lot of people don't realize, Ciano, is
Speaker 1: that even in American history prior to eighteen twenty four,
Speaker 1: so for our initial presidential election, the people vote, the
Speaker 1: popular vote didn't determine this slate of electors. It was
Speaker 1: actually electors were sent by the state legislatures. Because the
Speaker 1: idea was initially that we vote and we select our
Speaker 1: local representation, and our national government is so small, the
Speaker 1: national government is only supposed to represent the will of
Speaker 1: the state legislatures. So all of this whole idea of
Speaker 1: disenfranchisement and you know, and whatever is just historically ignorant.
Speaker 1: And what the Constitution actually provides for is that the
Speaker 1: state legislatures are the ultimate authority on which delegates to
Speaker 1: the Electoral College actually are sent to Congress. And so
Speaker 1: our argument in the immediate aftermath was telling and and
Speaker 1: begging those state legislators to do their constitutional job because
Speaker 1: we had so much evidence hours I mean eight and
Speaker 1: ten our hearings in front of these legislatures that Rudy
Speaker 1: and I attended, showing them there is so much here
Speaker 1: that you cannot possibly allow a certification to go to
Speaker 1: Congress and say and declare to Congress that you know
Speaker 1: that this slate is the will of the people, and
Speaker 1: it's certainly not the will of the legislatures who are
Speaker 1: majority Republican in all of those states. Right, So they
Speaker 1: refused to do that because there's spineless cowards, and also
Speaker 1: because the RNC the national and this is the problem
Speaker 1: with nationalizing politics. The RNC didn't get involved and asked
Speaker 1: the state leadership to actually do the constitutionally appropriate thing. So,
Speaker 1: now that the certifications that are based on absolutely false information,
Speaker 1: we're sent to Congress. Of course, you January six, they
Speaker 1: were counted in Congress and the Electoral College voted. So
Speaker 1: now we have a president who is the president, but
Speaker 1: he was installed in a manner that was antithetical to
Speaker 1: the constitution. So what happens next? Do we just sit
Speaker 1: back and say, oh, well, you know that short time frame. Whatever. No,
Speaker 1: the argument changes because we're now post January six. But
Speaker 1: the truth still matters, and that's why the audits are important. UM.
Speaker 1: But that's also why litigation is still very important. UM.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we did not we meaning President
Speaker 1: Trump's to trains on behalf of him or the campaign,
Speaker 1: did not file sixty plus lawsuits. When you see that,
Speaker 1: that's a Democrat talking point. Um. Anybody can file a lawsuit.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that you're representing a certain person or entity.
Speaker 1: The campaign itself we filed less than a dozen lawsuits. Um.
Speaker 1: They were strategic and they were um in those those
Speaker 1: five states. And the unfortunate thing about the judicial track
Speaker 1: was we were told, well, you don't have standing, which
Speaker 1: is the legal concept. You can't even put your piece
Speaker 1: on the game board to start playing the game and
Speaker 1: to start litigating to get to the merits. They just
Speaker 1: didn't even want to hear it. And so then the
Speaker 1: Texas versus Pennsylvania case where Kim Paxton, who's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite people, he's um been an advocate for truth
Speaker 1: ordinately in the judicial arena. Uh he and then ultimately
Speaker 1: seventeen other states filed the Texas versus Pennsylvania lawsuit because
Speaker 1: under the Constitution Article three, which defines the judiciary, if
Speaker 1: you have a case and the controversy, which clearly there's
Speaker 1: a controversy here we all know it between states a
Speaker 1: state susan other states, then it has to go on
Speaker 1: the trial level to the Supreme Court, because think about it,
Speaker 1: what other venue would be fair. So when they filed that,
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court actually had no choice but to accept
Speaker 1: that case. Now they didn't, and that was constitutionally impermissible.
Speaker 1: But that was ultimately the goal of the legislative track
Speaker 1: was to get that or some case to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: Similarly as the Supreme Court did take up the book
Speaker 1: should be Gore case and they made a ruling, and
Speaker 1: that is is what the judiciary is supposed to do.
Speaker 1: So all of those things now are we're post January six.
Speaker 1: But now what the state legislatures absolutely can do is
Speaker 1: to still look at their irredeemably compromised elections. They can
Speaker 1: put back election state parks, they can have signature matching,
Speaker 1: not have vote by mail. They can the state legislature
Speaker 1: should stop delegating their authority to these secretaries of states
Speaker 1: that are Democrat operatives and reclaim their ability to make
Speaker 1: sure that the correct slate of delegates in every future
Speaker 1: election goes to the Electoral College. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things they can do. UM. I'm a chairperson of the
Speaker 1: Election Integrity Alliance. We and our allies of our sixty
Speaker 1: different organizations are working on this um and then even
Speaker 1: more certaintly, we are also still continuing to advocate for
Speaker 1: the truth of because as this comes out, and as
Speaker 1: more and more evidence shows that the States did the
Speaker 1: improper thing, these are false certifications. We are going to
Speaker 1: as the country, have to have a reckoning on this.
Speaker 1: And there are people who advocate a lot of other theories. Um,
Speaker 1: they can speak for themselves on those. I will always
Speaker 1: advocate for constitutionally viable remedies. And one of those remedies,
Speaker 1: of course, is to get to the truth and having
Speaker 1: and I mean, we are in the midst of a
Speaker 1: constitutional crisis and we are going to have to have
Speaker 1: a reckoning. And the constitution provides for several methods of
Speaker 1: a president leaving office. Resignation is one and removal through
Speaker 1: impeachment is another. If our system of government is operating correctly,
Speaker 1: we would have impeachment of Joe by the Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: on the basis of election fraud or similarly as what
Speaker 1: happened to to President Nixon. There would be so much
Speaker 1: American demand of we the people that we don't have
Speaker 1: a usurper in office and demand for his and Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris's resignation, and then our country and and Congress, which
Speaker 1: has the authority in the Article two, could then deal
Speaker 1: with how we then installing next president. There's a line
Speaker 1: of Succession Act, and there are some other arguments, but
Speaker 1: that's where we need to go with it. Okay, So
Speaker 1: you think that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris needs to
Speaker 1: be impeached because of election fraud, and you you mentioned
Speaker 1: the video of where they pulled out the suitcase with
Speaker 1: the ballots, so we know that that happened. We know
Speaker 1: that there was election fraud and this this election has
Speaker 1: been proven, so we get that. But to the degree
Speaker 1: that it would overturn the election in this entirety, I've
Speaker 1: not seen any evidence of that. I know you guys
Speaker 1: had the the statements from the pole watchers and people
Speaker 1: who saw different things, and I'm sure that there's folks
Speaker 1: out there who had their hand at it and try
Speaker 1: to ensure that Joe Biden would win. We get that,
Speaker 1: I understand that, But the Supreme Court didn't take it.
Speaker 1: They didn't take the case, and it seems as though
Speaker 1: there wasn't this insurmountable evidence that was presented that that
Speaker 1: told the story at least with a media narrative outside
Speaker 1: of what you mentioned, which is the state's delegated or
Speaker 1: rather their general symbolis delegated the authority to secretaries of states.
Speaker 1: You look at Georgia where there was an illegal deal
Speaker 1: made with Stacy Abrahams and some other folks. So we've
Speaker 1: seen all of that, but is there anything else that
Speaker 1: could lead to that conclusion that the election was stolen
Speaker 1: outside of those Yeah, and so, and this is why
Speaker 1: it was so important that people understand. We never got
Speaker 1: to have a hearing on the merits and so, while
Speaker 1: I've been making this case to the media, sent you know,
Speaker 1: back in November, we have never had the opportunity in
Speaker 1: a judicial context to present evidence. But this is why
Speaker 1: the oddests are so important. So you mentioned Georgia. What's
Speaker 1: coming out of Fulton County right now? Justin Fulton County alone,
Speaker 1: there are enough irregularities and suspect questionable ballots that by
Speaker 1: law should be removed from the calculation for certification that
Speaker 1: that alone would flip Georgia to President Trump winning. And
Speaker 1: so that's what's happening in each of these counties. And
Speaker 1: and and if you look at the Texas versus Pennsylvania lawsuit,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in its response from the state legislatures, they actually
Speaker 1: admit that there are enough suspect ballots there, and they
Speaker 1: admit that the election was irredeemably compromised in that state.
Speaker 1: What their leadership needed was a judicial order for them
Speaker 1: to feel comfortable calling themselves back in a session. They
Speaker 1: didn't want to take their constitutional duty themselves. They basically
Speaker 1: wanted to have the cover of the judicial branch, which
Speaker 1: I think is cowardly, but that's that's what they wanted.
Speaker 1: If you actually go back and read what the Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: legislature said in that case, it was admitting that so
Speaker 1: this is already two states, then we have Arizona, we
Speaker 1: have Wisconsin, that just the mail in ballots alone were sufficient,
Speaker 1: those questionable ballots that would have turned the election for Trump.
Speaker 1: So absolutely mean this is not one, you know, smoking
Speaker 1: gun in each state. This is death by a thousand
Speaker 1: cuts and by thousands and thousands of ballots. And so
Speaker 1: absolutely there is enough evidence and there is enough proof,
Speaker 1: and if people actually want to get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of this and look at the numbers for themselves, they
Speaker 1: absolutely can, and I would I would tell them as well.
Speaker 1: Peter Navarro put out a great report um towards the end,
Speaker 1: of course, you know he's part of the Trump administration, uh,
Speaker 1: the trade advisor for in It was mid December that
Speaker 1: went through state by state and showed the significant irregularities
Speaker 1: and the problems in each state. And that's a whole pdf.
Speaker 1: It's searchable, it's out there. So for people who are
Speaker 1: saying I haven't seen enough evidence, I haven't heard this enough,
Speaker 1: then either you're listening to the wrong media or there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are just seeing the talking
Speaker 1: points and they're not taking the time to actually look
Speaker 1: at what we have presented to the public. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: I appreciate your analysis and giving your personal experience with
Speaker 1: the facts and what you see, and I can I
Speaker 1: can appreciate you letting my listeners know where you staying
Speaker 1: with that. So I appreciate that. I want to switch
Speaker 1: gears a little bit from from the court cases because
Speaker 1: now we're in a new time where we have to
Speaker 1: take back the House of Representatives as Republicans. And I
Speaker 1: know you left the party, but I'm I'm sure that
Speaker 1: you want to see conservatives in office and dominate if
Speaker 1: they're a true conservative. What do you see the GOP
Speaker 1: faring for the House and Senate races that are coming up.
Speaker 1: Its opportunity to take back the House from Democrats, and
Speaker 1: hopefully we will get a truly conservative, not just Republican majority.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, parties in the context of
Speaker 1: majorities do matter. And and I hope, even though I'm
Speaker 1: no longer a member of the party, I do hope
Speaker 1: that Republicans in you know, the Capital are sinse do
Speaker 1: take over the majority in two because that's the best opportunity,
Speaker 1: hopefully to not only stop the Biden and I put
Speaker 1: that in air quotes. We don't know he's not running
Speaker 1: the country, but the Biden administration agenda, you know, this
Speaker 1: extreme nationalism, the Green New Deal, the Infrastructure Plan, you know,
Speaker 1: pro choice legislation, all of this voting stuff like hr
Speaker 1: m S one and H four you know, these things
Speaker 1: that are trying to federalize our election processes for early
Speaker 1: unconstitutional is trying to give bureaucrast in Washington more power
Speaker 1: than these lawless bureaucrasts on the state level. So there
Speaker 1: are so many reasons we absolutely need to take back
Speaker 1: the majority. And I hope and I'm really encouraged to
Speaker 1: see that um kind of outside of the traditional Republican
Speaker 1: Party candidates are stepping up and they're running in a
Speaker 1: lot of these races, Like we have Larry Elder and
Speaker 1: Colonel Alan West, you know who stepped up to run
Speaker 1: in races. You know, we have even a challenger, Doug Huffins,
Speaker 1: who is who's challenging Governor Greg Abbott just in the primary.
Speaker 1: That's a great thing for conservatism. So I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of hope because I think the American people
Speaker 1: have been awakened to the problems of the swamp that
Speaker 1: is creeped out even into state races. And what we
Speaker 1: can do, regardless of party affiliation, is to support the
Speaker 1: good candidates that are truly advocating for conservative principles and
Speaker 1: then once they get an office, continue to hold them accountable.
Speaker 1: But also can to you to encourage them to do
Speaker 1: the job of proper governing under this principle of preserving
Speaker 1: and protecting our rights. That's a great question I've been asked,
Speaker 1: and I feel at this point that I'm doing a
Speaker 1: lot of good where God has put me in right now,
Speaker 1: in the position that I'm at. I will never say never,
Speaker 1: because who would have ever thought I'm doing I'm doing that?
Speaker 1: But I will just say that I take my life
Speaker 1: one day at a time. I do what God has
Speaker 1: for me the next day, and if he calls me
Speaker 1: to run for office, I will. But right now, at
Speaker 1: this point, I am so focused on the election integrity
Speaker 1: battle that that to me, as an attorney, I can serve.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can serve my country the best
Speaker 1: in that arena. But I don't know. Maybe next time
Speaker 1: we're on, I'll have an announcement for you, I will say,
Speaker 1: before we move on, let's take a quick break round
Speaker 1: the corner. President Trump has told a number of people,
Speaker 1: and he's seemingly gestured to it and in media appearances,
Speaker 1: that he's going to be running again for president. So
Speaker 1: with that being the case, I mean clearly formidable Republican
Speaker 1: Canada and formidable and in any sense and Democrats whatever.
Speaker 1: But you got Rhonda Santez, who seemingly has been implementing
Speaker 1: a Trump agenda in Florida in numerous ways. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been running the state amazingly and actually took on
Speaker 1: a lot of efforts that President Trump took on and
Speaker 1: wasn't able to get accomplished. You talk about what he's
Speaker 1: done with Rhonda Santis, that is with big tech um,
Speaker 1: how he handled COVID, how he handled a number of
Speaker 1: different things, and and made sure that he has one
Speaker 1: of the most proper, prosperous and well runned states in
Speaker 1: the country. There's a lot of conservatives that are excited
Speaker 1: about him potentially running for president if that happens, How
Speaker 1: do you think this shakes out full problem have? Unlike
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, where you know, there we had a stage
Speaker 1: full of people like you know, Jeb Bush and John
Speaker 1: Kasik and people who you know, nobody was excited about, right,
Speaker 1: And nobody at that point, at least me and a
Speaker 1: lot of my fellow conservatives didn't know Donald Trump. We
Speaker 1: you know, I was excited about Ted Cruz, but not
Speaker 1: nearly as much as people are excited about President Trump now.
Speaker 1: And Ron Descantis. So I'm excited that we have more
Speaker 1: than just one person who is leading this whole movement.
Speaker 1: And I think President Trump one of the greatest thing
Speaker 1: that he has done is encouraged other people like the
Speaker 1: wrong destantus Is of of the world and and others
Speaker 1: to step up and and step out so boldly to
Speaker 1: proclaim the truth of the Gospel of Christ. And Rhon
Speaker 1: Descantis did that brilliantly. By the way, at UM the
Speaker 1: Faith and Freedom Conference with Rael Freed, I was there.
Speaker 1: I heard him speak, I had spoken a day earlier,
Speaker 1: and it was amazing, and I loved it, and I
Speaker 1: I love run to Stantis. He's done a wonderful job
Speaker 1: for Florida. So I think this is a great problem
Speaker 1: to have that we have options, and we have more
Speaker 1: people who are willing to join President Trump in this fight.
Speaker 1: And so I know a lot of people who would
Speaker 1: love to see him as president. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people that will continue to support Donald Trump. And
Speaker 1: whether Trump decides to run, or whether he decides to
Speaker 1: endorse the Stantist or someone else in more of a
Speaker 1: chancellor kingmaker role, you know, we'll see. But I think
Speaker 1: for the Republican group or I should say conservatives now,
Speaker 1: but for also the Republican Party, this is a great
Speaker 1: problem to have. I'm excited. So no, no, no, uh.
Speaker 1: Analysis on who might win that fight well, I you know,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to say right now because it all
Speaker 1: depends on how things shake out. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the Stantis may decide he's not going to run in
Speaker 1: if he wants to finish out his terms as governor.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are just so many variables. But you know,
Speaker 1: if it was head to head, I still think that
Speaker 1: President Trump has so much love and popularity and there's
Speaker 1: so many people who want to see him back in office.
Speaker 1: I still think he has the edge currently on the Santis.
Speaker 1: But you know, you never know, and you never know
Speaker 1: who else might join the race or you know what
Speaker 1: might happen to change the equation. But if it were
Speaker 1: a head to head right now and people were declaring today,
Speaker 1: I would still give the edge to Donald Trump. Okay.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because people who have talked about this
Speaker 1: in terms of a head to head Rhonda Santis and
Speaker 1: President Trump have said that Rhonda Santis is Trump in
Speaker 1: terms of policies without some of the personal uh baggage,
Speaker 1: if you will, that Donald Trump may bring in in
Speaker 1: terms of personality. So I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are saying it in the in the Republican Party, you
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that's true. Um, I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: you know is aware of the Trump mean tweets, right,
Speaker 1: or that you know, the things that initially were there
Speaker 1: were some you know, of the evangelical community or for
Speaker 1: other reasons why people were initially hesitant to support Trump.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's true that at least so far,
Speaker 1: run To Santist doesn't have some of those personality sorts
Speaker 1: of you know, whether you want to call them quirks
Speaker 1: or drawbacks. I think that's true. But I also think
Speaker 1: that President Trump has shown that he can surmount to that,
Speaker 1: and people at this point, especially after the last six
Speaker 1: months of Biden, really don't care about the main tweets.
Speaker 1: They love the fact that Donald Trump was willing to
Speaker 1: go in and be you know, a bull in the
Speaker 1: China closet of Washington. And I think I've also heard
Speaker 1: that there is some concern that you know, would run
Speaker 1: To Santists come here and be willing to do the same.
Speaker 1: I think he would. I think he's proven that in Florida. So,
Speaker 1: you know, so I think that that's a true analysis,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that that tells the whole story
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. And I think it's putting too much
Speaker 1: emphasis on some of the drawbacks where we saw, I
Speaker 1: mean those rallies that I attended with the President. There
Speaker 1: is so much love and respect for that man all
Speaker 1: across the country that I, you know, I just don't
Speaker 1: think that mean tweets matter. So well, before I let
Speaker 1: you go, I just want to switch gears here again.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is clearly in office. He's president, and his son,
Speaker 1: who somehow has a new art career as a painter,
Speaker 1: is selling these very expensive paintings and has recently said
Speaker 1: that he will meet with people who are looking to
Speaker 1: purchase him. What is your take on it? Wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be great if all of us uh jianno could paint
Speaker 1: by number and sell it for half a million dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, that'd be amazing. I think it's ridiculous. It's
Speaker 1: a pretext. We all know the Biden crime family is
Speaker 1: thoroughly corrupt. This is just yet another blatant, obvious pretext
Speaker 1: to um, you know, have Hunter go and do his
Speaker 1: shady business. And and I think it's ridiculous. I think
Speaker 1: that how the media handled Hunter's laptop. How in the
Speaker 1: in the raid of Rudy Giuliani by the FBI, which
Speaker 1: was absolutely absurd, he tried to hand them the hard
Speaker 1: drives and said, this is evidence. You were told in
Speaker 1: the warrant that you had to take all electronic evidence.
Speaker 1: Here you go. They refused to take it. That should
Speaker 1: tell us something about the two tier justice system in America. Wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Wait a second, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard this story. So you're saying that Rudy hit
Speaker 1: at the laptop with him, Hunter Biden's laptop with him,
Speaker 1: and he tried to give it to the FBI doing
Speaker 1: a rate and they refused. Yes, And I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was the actual physical laptop, but it was
Speaker 1: the hard hard drive that contained the material that was
Speaker 1: on Hunter's laptop, right, so it was in effect a
Speaker 1: copy for the original um. And he tried to hand
Speaker 1: that hard drive and say, this is the Cure's laptop.
Speaker 1: You want to thank this. They refused, even though the
Speaker 1: warrant specifically said that they were to seize all electronic
Speaker 1: evidence his personal cell phone was taken. Everything else they
Speaker 1: refused to take that. That should be a huge question
Speaker 1: to the American people about how much are shady, swampy, disgusting,
Speaker 1: dark actors in Washington are covering for Biden and the
Speaker 1: crime family. I think it's ridiculous. Well, I hadn't heard that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me know. And unfortunately, I believe
Speaker 1: every word. I believe. I can see that happening where
Speaker 1: justice is supposed to be. And I was a former prosecutor,
Speaker 1: right and then I was a defense attorney, but prosecution.
Speaker 1: I started volunteering at the Boulder County District Attorney's office
Speaker 1: when I was seventeen. Um, I've loved law. I've been
Speaker 1: in you know, way more trials, Um, you know, on
Speaker 1: both sides than you know any of a lot of
Speaker 1: these other lawyers in d C. And there is a
Speaker 1: higher ethical obligation that specifically a rule for prosecutors for
Speaker 1: the government, that they have a higher responsibility that their
Speaker 1: only client is justice. They have to be unbiased, they
Speaker 1: have to completely ignore politics. But what the American people
Speaker 1: are so viscerally upset about is how we have such
Speaker 1: a two tiered system of justice that justice now is
Speaker 1: a political term, and I reject that completely. And this
Speaker 1: is why, as President Trump has always said, we have
Speaker 1: to drain the swamp, because if we are going to
Speaker 1: have legitimate, meaningful liberty, well then we have to have
Speaker 1: liberty and meaningful justice for all. And if we don't
Speaker 1: have justice, then we are going to rapidly lose our liberty.
Speaker 1: And it seems as though we truly are rapidly losing
Speaker 1: our liberty. You know. I just want to thank you
Speaker 1: for the conversation and certainly for joining me to talk
Speaker 1: about this. A lot of people are interested in your
Speaker 1: story and you know what's going on, and I think
Speaker 1: some people that are Trump supporters probably we feel very
Speaker 1: much the same as you do about the GOP and
Speaker 1: so maybe looking to leave. So I'm hoping that the
Speaker 1: GOP and those who are running it is very much
Speaker 1: aware of how its members are feeling. And I agree
Speaker 1: with you fully that if you feel that the Republican
Speaker 1: Party is not engaging the tenets of the conservative movement,
Speaker 1: you should be vocal about it absolutely, and I have
Speaker 1: been many times before, so I I really appreciate your engagement,
Speaker 1: certainly on that in your fastidiousness to what has happened
Speaker 1: in this country since Joe Biden is one. So thank
Speaker 1: you for bringing all that to the table on out
Speaker 1: love with you. Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Giano.
Speaker 1: And you know, as as Martin Luther said during the
Speaker 1: Protestant Reformation, you know here I stand. I can do
Speaker 1: no other and I would just encourage everyone stand on truth.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about politics. Politics is meaningless compared to the
Speaker 1: eternal and mutable truth of what our country founded on,
Speaker 1: and that's God, our creator, the God of the Bible.
Speaker 1: And if we stand on truth every day, you can
Speaker 1: never ever go wrong and be continent and bold in that.
Speaker 1: So thank you for your voice again and thanks for
Speaker 1: having me on. One last question before you go. Is
Speaker 1: there anything you're working on at the folks at home
Speaker 1: should know about that? You have a book coming out?
Speaker 1: Thank you. I have been so focused on the Election
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Speaker 1: we'll be uh certainly watching um for what you got. Thanks. Yeah,
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