1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Up next, Ow Wow with Gianno called part of the gang. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: WI one prominent conservative is drawn a line in the sand, 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: she said, quote, I am no longer a Republican. She 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: went on to say, until the party decides that it 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: wants to be conservative again. Today this ex Republican I 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: discussed why she left the party and debate the future 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: of the GOP. This is outlined with Gianno called ye. 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Allow with Gianno called blow. I'm Gianno 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: called blow, and I've got a great show for you 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: guys this week. My guests is Jenna Ellis, a lawyer 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: who served as legal advisor for President Trump and his 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: re election campaign, and she was also named to his 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: legal team that challenged the election results. Currently, Ellis is 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: a contributor for Newsmax and holds her own show Just 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: the Truth on Real America's Voice. She also launched the 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Election Integrity Alliance. Today I asked Alice about her decision 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: to leave the GOP in the future of the party 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: and we look forward too, Let's go. So we've been 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: trying to do this for a while, and what I 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: mean by this is have someone who's been a superstar 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: and the Republican Party and the conservative movement. You may 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: know her as a conservative that voices issues on a 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: lot of things, but she's someone who really got her 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: big star when she defended President Trump with Rudy Giuliani 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: among some election fraud cases. So I want to welcome 26 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: to Outlow with Gianno Caldwell, Jenna Ellis. Pleasure to be 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: on with you. Thank you so much, Gianno. It's great. 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: And I know we've been talking about Dennis for a 29 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: while and I really appreciate your very strong conservative voice 30 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: as well. So thank you for everything that you do. No, 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Now. I want to jump right 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: into it because you want You're somebody that a lot 33 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: of folks respect. A lot of Republicans have hit there 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: on you. They appreciate what you did for President Donald 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: Trump um defending him, and recently you caused a stir 36 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: earlier this month when you announced that you you're officially 37 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: leaving the Republican Party. You called on all top Republican 38 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: officials to rason and accuse the GOP of no longer 39 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: being conservative. Could you elaborate on why you left the 40 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: party and why you're upset with his leadership. Yeah, it's 41 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: a great question. And you know, I have always been 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: someone who is a conservative based on my principles and 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: based on uh, the Judeo Christian ethic, that our country 44 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: was founded upon an understanding that that world best statement 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: in our Declaration of Independence that says that we hold 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: these truths to be self evident, that all men are 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: created equal, They're endowed by God, our creator, with certain 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: unalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty in the pursuit 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: of happiness. Um, that's principled, because we can't have true 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: equality without under standing who our creator is and understanding 51 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: that all human beings have inherent dignity and worth. And Uh, 52 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: the founding of our nation and the reason I love 53 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: the brilliance of our constitution is that America was the 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: first nation in world history to actually be predicated and 55 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: our system of government predicated based on recognition of those 56 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: fundamental truths. And so conservatism as an idea is conserving 57 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: those truths and is recognizing that the sole responsibility of 58 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: government is to preserve and protect our individual rights. And 59 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: so I'm not just pro choice, I'm not just uh, 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, a Christian. I'm not just pro capitalism and 61 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: all of these different philosophies in different arenas um to 62 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: to me. And and the best understanding of our system 63 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: of government and the reality to which we're presented is 64 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: understanding that this is a comprehensive philosophy that's rooted in 65 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: truth and the identity of the One True God of 66 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: the Bible. And so I say all of that as 67 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: a predicate to say that I have um been conservative 68 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: for my life. I've been a member of the Republican 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: Party for all my life. Certainly I'm growing in the 70 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: grace and knowledge of the of my Lord and Savior 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, but I also am fundamentally always willing to 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: stand up and speak for the truth. And when I 73 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: first got a phone call from President Trump and UM, 74 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: he actually just called me out of the blue. He 75 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: had seen me on TV defending the Constitution, and he said, 76 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, I have some questions for you. UM, I 77 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: want to talk about this. This is in the context 78 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: of the first impeachment, hoped, and I just laid out. 79 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: I gave him, you know, my honest opinion of the law. 80 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: We talked about the philosophy of the Constitution, and UM, 81 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: all of these things. He has such a great depth 82 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: of knowledge of of our history as Americans, and he 83 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: wants to protect that aspect of conservatism. It was one 84 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: of the greatest privileges of my life to work for 85 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: him defend him. And so this is more than just 86 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: me saying politically, I differ with how we can best 87 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: implement our system of government, or I differ a little 88 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: bit with the Republican Party's platform. This is all about truth. 89 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: And when you have the Republican Party that is going 90 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: so big tent and is saying having Ronn McDaniel, who's 91 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: the chairwoman, tweet and post UH four in support of 92 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Pride Month, for example, and saying that human sexuality, apart 93 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: from understanding the biological measurable differences between men and women, 94 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: the truth of moral human sexuality, that is not a 95 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: Conservative principle and that's not the traditional Republican Party. But 96 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: then even further than that, I've always spoken up for 97 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: that truth. And um, then when the Republican Party, Jano 98 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: went so far as to lie to the American people 99 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the election and tell America in 100 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: when Rudy Giuliani and I and Bernie Kyrrick and others 101 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: were standing in the face of threats in the face 102 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: of other lawyers quitting and saying we have to get 103 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: to the truth of what happened in the Republican Party 104 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: was telling the American people that they supported us, but 105 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: their chief council, Justin Reamer sent an email in early 106 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: November to other members of the GOP from his GEOP 107 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: official address saying what Rudy and Jenna are doing is 108 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: a joke. And he disclaimed the effort for the truth 109 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: privately multiple times, and the RNC fundraised over two hundred 110 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: and twenty million dollars from Americans saying that they were 111 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: fighting for election integrity when they weren't. And so that's 112 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: my problem is that they're lying. And Rona McDaniel knew 113 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: that I spoke to her directly the night that I 114 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: received that email from an inside RNC was a blower. 115 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: In November, she promised me and Rudy and the President 116 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: that she was going to fire Justin, that he would 117 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: be gone by morning. We thought she had lived up 118 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: to her word, and it's only been in recent weeks 119 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: that we've learned not only is that not correct, but 120 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: she's now going on national media and denying the entire story. 121 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: I have the email I have the text messages. This 122 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: is not about me and her. This is about a 123 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: battle for the truth and that the American people need 124 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: to know. The Republican Party now is so divorced from 125 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: genuine conservative principles and what it actually means to be 126 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: an American. I can't stand up now, Gianno and say 127 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: I am a member of that party. Otherwise I'm no 128 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: longer advocating for the truth or for the truth that 129 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: President Trump fought so hard for. Wow, you, I mean, 130 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: you gave us a lot to digest there. So just 131 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: a couple of things here. One is the issue with 132 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: r N c um and you say that Ronald McDonald 133 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: lied to you. She said that she was going to 134 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: fire just than she did not, and she's saying that 135 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: she didn't say that she was going to fire justin. 136 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: But also this this area of conservatism, the principles, the 137 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: the principles of the conservative movement not being followed by 138 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: today's Republican Party, which is also the same accusations that 139 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: they made, many folks made. And when Donald Trump took 140 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: over the Republican Party, how do you how do those 141 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: two do two things differ? Yeah, So that's a great question. 142 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: And you know, initially, a lot of people know, and 143 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: my Twitter haters love to point out, then initially I 144 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: wasn't a supporter of Donald Trump in the primaries of Um, 145 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: it's a well known fact that I supported Ted Cruz. 146 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: And obviously the world of politics is a closed universe 147 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: situation where you only have X number of candidates and 148 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: you have to choose the best from among them. UM. 149 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been a candidate, nor ever 150 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: will be that I'll agree a hundred percent with their 151 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: their political philosophy or their political policy determinations. Um. There 152 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: were things, and even after I worked for President Trump 153 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: in his administration, that I personally disagreed with, and that's okay. 154 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: But what I came to recognize is that people who 155 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: were completely disavowing Donald Trump calling out his former lifestyle 156 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: that wasn't Christian, Well, that's true, and I have never 157 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: ever endorsed that. Of course, you know, any sort of 158 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: conduct that goes against the Bible is sinned by definition. 159 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a perfect person. I repent of my sin daily, hopefully, 160 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: and um, Jesus's blood covers all. But what I came 161 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: to recognize is that everything that the left was impugning 162 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: Donald Trump for was actually when he was a registered Democrat. 163 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: So people change, and I personally after them. Getting to 164 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: know Donald Trump. I heard him speak in July. He 165 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: said so very clearly at the Western Conservative Summit. I 166 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: was then a professor at Colorado Christian University. I heard 167 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: him speak and he articulated the conservative philosophy of government, 168 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: of why we are supposed to have limited government, of 169 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: why America is founded on these principles, and I became 170 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: a supporter of his and I'm very grateful that I did, 171 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: because he has been the most pro life, conservative, god 172 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: fearing president of my lifetime. And he is willing to 173 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: stand up and go to the pro life marches, the 174 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: March for Life. He's he was willing to stand up 175 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: and say from Mount Rushmore last fourth of July, where 176 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: I was grateful to be in attendance with him, to 177 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: talk about the founding of America on on God's principles 178 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: of truth and and the biblical understanding of the philosophy 179 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: of government. And so while his past may not be perfect, 180 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: in his presence he absolutely is a conservative. Now I'm 181 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: not saying if he's a perfect person, neither a mine, 182 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is what I support about Donald Trump, 183 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: and I'm proud to support him, is that he is 184 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: genuinely conservative where the Republican Party used to be. But 185 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: instead of making that change from Democrat to Republican like 186 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: he did, liberal to conservatives, they're going backward and the 187 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: Republican Party is now no longer conservatives. So if that 188 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: be the case, the Republican Party is no longer conservative, 189 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: you're no longer a Republican, but you're still a conservative. 190 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: Where do you go from here? I mean, clearly, you 191 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: have a two party system. Unless Trump, which he hasn't 192 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: said that he would have the Party of Trump. What 193 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: would you do with your vote? Sure, there is a 194 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: beautiful thing in my home state of Colorado, where I 195 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: am still a registered and active voter. I've been involved 196 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: in Colorado politics a long time. There's a beautiful thing 197 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: called unaffiliated, and so that's my intention is to become unaffiliated. 198 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: I can still in the primaries, but even more importantly, 199 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: well there's probably nothing more important than my vote, but 200 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: just as importantly, I can still advocate for genuinely conservative candidates, 201 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: and if they're running under the Republican ticket, that's fine. 202 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: But what we need is genuine conservative to stand up 203 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: and disclaim where the Republican National Party is going and 204 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: say we are still going to run and I don't 205 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: I don't care, frankly, if they're running as a Republican 206 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: or an independent or a Tea party or whatever. If 207 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: they are going into government office to champion conservative, truth 208 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: based principles, I will support them, and I would encourage 209 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: my fellow Americans who are listening to this. We need 210 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: to disclaim false non truth and maybe if enough of 211 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: us stop supporting the rnc's idea of being big tentant, 212 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: we can either start a new party or we can 213 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: bring the Republican Party back to conservative tism so as 214 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: it is now. If the Republican Party had new leadership, 215 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: had someone who is willing to stand for truth, unlike 216 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Ronald McDaniel, who is willing to not be a liar, 217 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: I would certainly be open to reregistering as a Republican. 218 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: But where I'm going from here is supporting individual candidates 219 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: that are willing to also champion the values that I 220 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: so deeply cherish, and family, faith and freedom issues are 221 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: so important. We can't just have this idea of a 222 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: two party system and say, well, I guess I have 223 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: to go along with the R and C because that's 224 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: the best we're going to get. I I reject that. 225 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: I think we can do better. Have you talked to 226 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump about any of this you leave in the 227 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: party or um, some of the things that you were 228 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: told by the chairwoman as to what they were going 229 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: to do with the lawsuits or any any of those things. 230 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: Have you spoken with him recently? That's also a great question. 231 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: And yes, I speak to him frequently. In fact, the 232 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: day that this all came out, I called him and 233 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: I said, I just want you to know that you know, 234 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: this is what happened. I briefly described the situation, and 235 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm not willing to support Rona's lies. 236 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: And and he knew by the way, UM, he was 237 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: well informed by myself and Rudy Giuliani of everything that 238 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: had gone on with with Justin and UM. And it's 239 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: my understanding I wasn't present when he and Rona may 240 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: or may not have talked, but it's my understanding that 241 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: they did talk. And she made the same promise to him, 242 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: and she told us she would she would promise Trump 243 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: to fire justin. He was well aware of that whole 244 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: situation back in November, and so, UM, you know that 245 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: wasn't something that was a surprise to him. UM. And 246 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: I can I can just tell you that you know, 247 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: he he has always and I respect him for this. 248 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: He has always valued me telling him the truth. And 249 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: that's a promise that I made to him when I 250 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: first started working for him, because you may not always 251 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, like or prefer it, UM, but I will 252 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: always tell you the truth, unlike so many other people 253 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: in Washington that operate out of politics, UM and and 254 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: their own self interest. I've told so many people around 255 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: him who don't like the fact that I'm telling him 256 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: the truth about um, you know, whether it's policy, whether 257 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: it's what he how he could act in his presidential capacity, constitutionally, 258 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: whatever it was. There were people that didn't like that 259 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: I told him the truth. And I always told them, 260 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm here to serve at the pleasure of 261 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: the president. And if you know, someday I don't get 262 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: to anymore and I leave DC, that's fine, I go 263 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: back to Colorado, that's fine. But as long as I'm here, 264 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to have integrity. And so he was appreciative 265 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: of my call, and you know, we're certainly still in touch. 266 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: So do you think Donald Trump has lost faith in 267 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: the Republican Party and his leadership? As you ask? You know, 268 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: I can't speak for him on that, and I'm certainly 269 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: not going to get ahead of him on that, but 270 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: I do think and I know from him that he 271 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: is always very concerned about making sure that we as 272 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: as a group of conservatives, you know, juxtapose against the 273 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Polos Shumers of the world, are doing the right thing. 274 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: So so you know, my my thought is he's probably 275 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, watching this and and it's carefully considering what 276 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: he would and wouldn't say publicly. But I'm but I'm 277 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: sure that he's concerned, and I know that he is 278 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: always as well an advocate for the truth. We're talking 279 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: to Jenna Ellis, the prominent attorney who served as President 280 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: Trump's legal advisor. We've got much more with her right 281 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: after a break. So I want to shift now to 282 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: all the Trump losses concerned in the election. You clearly 283 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: would deeply involve you, help lead the strategy with Rudy Giuliani. 284 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: Where does any of this stand today? Are all the 285 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: cases done um, and people have been saying, oh, Trump 286 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: is gonna become back president again in August. I'm not 287 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: sure where that's coming from. But can you walk us 288 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: through what happened and what's going on and if there's 289 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: anything to be expected in the future. Yeah, that's a 290 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: great question. Well, first off, absolutely, we can still expect 291 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: that the fight for election integrity is continuing. And as 292 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: a colleague of mine just said to me yesterday, it's 293 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: actually election justice. We need to make sure that in 294 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: this country justice prevails. And what happened in just very 295 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: briefly is that there were so much evidence right away 296 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: of election officials, co workers, secretaries of state governors, everyone 297 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: from the executive branch from the top all the way 298 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: down to the administrators of the election that in at 299 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: least five states we're talking Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona, 300 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: that their elections were so lawless and so completely against 301 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: the laws of the state that the legislature set up 302 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: which constitutionally the state legislature directs the manner of elections, 303 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: it was so lawless in its administration that the election 304 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: result was irredeemably compromised. It was so thoroughly corrupted that 305 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: in the initial about six to eight weeks that we 306 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: had in the aftermath of November three, there was still 307 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: so much coming out, witnesses, documents, videos that you know, 308 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: we've since recovered, um, you know the one out of 309 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: Georgia that came very late showing you know, the ballots 310 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: that were under the table in suitcases. Now some of 311 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: the audits that are happening, the truth is continuing to 312 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: come out. But in the immediate aftermath of what was 313 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: so readily apparent, because we knew that the Democrats were 314 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: trying to harness COVID as a pretext to push in 315 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: universal vote by mail, there were ballots that scanned multiple times. 316 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: There were ballots, all of these mail in ballots. There's 317 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: some that were sent out with no record, there were 318 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: ones that were counted without poll watchers being present. And 319 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you open an envelope of a mail 320 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: in ballot at that point it's compromised. You can't ever 321 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: put the ballot back in the envelope and guarantee the 322 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: chain of customing. All of these issues right, So, initially 323 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: the plan was twofold. One was a litigation track to 324 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: have a judicial order telling the state legislatures, yes, this 325 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: has been compromised, and to stop the certifications to Congress 326 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: of the electors. And then the state legislatures would have 327 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: the authority to determine which slate would go absent a 328 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: judicial order of that nature. The state legislatures have the 329 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: inherent constitutional authority was called planary power, meaning absolute. It's 330 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: only up to that what slate of electors they send. 331 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: And what a lot of people don't realize, Ciano, is 332 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: that even in American history prior to eighteen twenty four, 333 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: so for our initial presidential election, the people vote, the 334 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: popular vote didn't determine this slate of electors. It was 335 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: actually electors were sent by the state legislatures. Because the 336 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: idea was initially that we vote and we select our 337 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: local representation, and our national government is so small, the 338 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: national government is only supposed to represent the will of 339 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: the state legislatures. So all of this whole idea of 340 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: disenfranchisement and you know, and whatever is just historically ignorant. 341 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: And what the Constitution actually provides for is that the 342 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: state legislatures are the ultimate authority on which delegates to 343 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: the Electoral College actually are sent to Congress. And so 344 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: our argument in the immediate aftermath was telling and and 345 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: begging those state legislators to do their constitutional job because 346 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: we had so much evidence hours I mean eight and 347 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: ten our hearings in front of these legislatures that Rudy 348 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: and I attended, showing them there is so much here 349 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: that you cannot possibly allow a certification to go to 350 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: Congress and say and declare to Congress that you know 351 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: that this slate is the will of the people, and 352 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: it's certainly not the will of the legislatures who are 353 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: majority Republican in all of those states. Right, So they 354 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: refused to do that because there's spineless cowards, and also 355 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: because the RNC the national and this is the problem 356 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: with nationalizing politics. The RNC didn't get involved and asked 357 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: the state leadership to actually do the constitutionally appropriate thing. So, 358 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: now that the certifications that are based on absolutely false information, 359 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: we're sent to Congress. Of course, you January six, they 360 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: were counted in Congress and the Electoral College voted. So 361 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: now we have a president who is the president, but 362 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: he was installed in a manner that was antithetical to 363 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: the constitution. So what happens next? Do we just sit 364 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: back and say, oh, well, you know that short time frame. Whatever. No, 365 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: the argument changes because we're now post January six. But 366 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: the truth still matters, and that's why the audits are important. UM. 367 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: But that's also why litigation is still very important. UM. 368 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: And by the way, we did not we meaning President 369 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: Trump's to trains on behalf of him or the campaign, 370 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: did not file sixty plus lawsuits. When you see that, 371 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: that's a Democrat talking point. Um. Anybody can file a lawsuit. 372 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that you're representing a certain person or entity. 373 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: The campaign itself we filed less than a dozen lawsuits. Um. 374 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: They were strategic and they were um in those those 375 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: five states. And the unfortunate thing about the judicial track 376 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: was we were told, well, you don't have standing, which 377 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: is the legal concept. You can't even put your piece 378 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: on the game board to start playing the game and 379 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: to start litigating to get to the merits. They just 380 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: didn't even want to hear it. And so then the 381 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: Texas versus Pennsylvania case where Kim Paxton, who's one of 382 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: my favorite people, he's um been an advocate for truth 383 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: ordinately in the judicial arena. Uh he and then ultimately 384 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: seventeen other states filed the Texas versus Pennsylvania lawsuit because 385 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: under the Constitution Article three, which defines the judiciary, if 386 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: you have a case and the controversy, which clearly there's 387 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: a controversy here we all know it between states a 388 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: state susan other states, then it has to go on 389 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: the trial level to the Supreme Court, because think about it, 390 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: what other venue would be fair. So when they filed that, 391 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court actually had no choice but to accept 392 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: that case. Now they didn't, and that was constitutionally impermissible. 393 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: But that was ultimately the goal of the legislative track 394 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: was to get that or some case to the Supreme Court. 395 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: Similarly as the Supreme Court did take up the book 396 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: should be Gore case and they made a ruling, and 397 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: that is is what the judiciary is supposed to do. 398 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: So all of those things now are we're post January six. 399 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: But now what the state legislatures absolutely can do is 400 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: to still look at their irredeemably compromised elections. They can 401 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: put back election state parks, they can have signature matching, 402 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: not have vote by mail. They can the state legislature 403 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: should stop delegating their authority to these secretaries of states 404 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: that are Democrat operatives and reclaim their ability to make 405 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: sure that the correct slate of delegates in every future 406 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: election goes to the Electoral College. There's a lot of 407 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: things they can do. UM. I'm a chairperson of the 408 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: Election Integrity Alliance. We and our allies of our sixty 409 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: different organizations are working on this um and then even 410 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: more certaintly, we are also still continuing to advocate for 411 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: the truth of because as this comes out, and as 412 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: more and more evidence shows that the States did the 413 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: improper thing, these are false certifications. We are going to 414 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: as the country, have to have a reckoning on this. 415 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: And there are people who advocate a lot of other theories. Um, 416 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: they can speak for themselves on those. I will always 417 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: advocate for constitutionally viable remedies. And one of those remedies, 418 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: of course, is to get to the truth and having 419 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: and I mean, we are in the midst of a 420 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: constitutional crisis and we are going to have to have 421 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: a reckoning. And the constitution provides for several methods of 422 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: a president leaving office. Resignation is one and removal through 423 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: impeachment is another. If our system of government is operating correctly, 424 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: we would have impeachment of Joe by the Kamala Harris 425 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: on the basis of election fraud or similarly as what 426 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: happened to to President Nixon. There would be so much 427 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: American demand of we the people that we don't have 428 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: a usurper in office and demand for his and Kamala 429 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: Harris's resignation, and then our country and and Congress, which 430 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: has the authority in the Article two, could then deal 431 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: with how we then installing next president. There's a line 432 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: of Succession Act, and there are some other arguments, but 433 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: that's where we need to go with it. Okay, So 434 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: you think that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris needs to 435 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: be impeached because of election fraud, and you you mentioned 436 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: the video of where they pulled out the suitcase with 437 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: the ballots, so we know that that happened. We know 438 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: that there was election fraud and this this election has 439 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: been proven, so we get that. But to the degree 440 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: that it would overturn the election in this entirety, I've 441 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: not seen any evidence of that. I know you guys 442 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: had the the statements from the pole watchers and people 443 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: who saw different things, and I'm sure that there's folks 444 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: out there who had their hand at it and try 445 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: to ensure that Joe Biden would win. We get that, 446 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: I understand that, But the Supreme Court didn't take it. 447 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: They didn't take the case, and it seems as though 448 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: there wasn't this insurmountable evidence that was presented that that 449 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: told the story at least with a media narrative outside 450 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: of what you mentioned, which is the state's delegated or 451 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: rather their general symbolis delegated the authority to secretaries of states. 452 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: You look at Georgia where there was an illegal deal 453 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: made with Stacy Abrahams and some other folks. So we've 454 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: seen all of that, but is there anything else that 455 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: could lead to that conclusion that the election was stolen 456 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: outside of those Yeah, and so, and this is why 457 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: it was so important that people understand. We never got 458 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: to have a hearing on the merits and so, while 459 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: I've been making this case to the media, sent you know, 460 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: back in November, we have never had the opportunity in 461 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: a judicial context to present evidence. But this is why 462 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: the oddests are so important. So you mentioned Georgia. What's 463 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: coming out of Fulton County right now? Justin Fulton County alone, 464 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: there are enough irregularities and suspect questionable ballots that by 465 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: law should be removed from the calculation for certification that 466 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: that alone would flip Georgia to President Trump winning. And 467 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: so that's what's happening in each of these counties. And 468 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: and and if you look at the Texas versus Pennsylvania lawsuit, 469 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in its response from the state legislatures, they actually 470 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: admit that there are enough suspect ballots there, and they 471 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: admit that the election was irredeemably compromised in that state. 472 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: What their leadership needed was a judicial order for them 473 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable calling themselves back in a session. They 474 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: didn't want to take their constitutional duty themselves. They basically 475 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: wanted to have the cover of the judicial branch, which 476 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: I think is cowardly, but that's that's what they wanted. 477 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: If you actually go back and read what the Pennsylvania 478 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: legislature said in that case, it was admitting that so 479 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: this is already two states, then we have Arizona, we 480 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: have Wisconsin, that just the mail in ballots alone were sufficient, 481 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: those questionable ballots that would have turned the election for Trump. 482 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: So absolutely mean this is not one, you know, smoking 483 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: gun in each state. This is death by a thousand 484 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: cuts and by thousands and thousands of ballots. And so 485 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: absolutely there is enough evidence and there is enough proof, 486 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: and if people actually want to get to the bottom 487 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: of this and look at the numbers for themselves, they 488 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: absolutely can, and I would I would tell them as well. 489 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: Peter Navarro put out a great report um towards the end, 490 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: of course, you know he's part of the Trump administration, uh, 491 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: the trade advisor for in It was mid December that 492 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: went through state by state and showed the significant irregularities 493 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: and the problems in each state. And that's a whole pdf. 494 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: It's searchable, it's out there. So for people who are 495 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: saying I haven't seen enough evidence, I haven't heard this enough, 496 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: then either you're listening to the wrong media or there's 497 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are just seeing the talking 498 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: points and they're not taking the time to actually look 499 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: at what we have presented to the public. Okay, No, 500 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate your analysis and giving your personal experience with 501 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: the facts and what you see, and I can I 502 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: can appreciate you letting my listeners know where you staying 503 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: with that. So I appreciate that. I want to switch 504 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: gears a little bit from from the court cases because 505 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: now we're in a new time where we have to 506 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: take back the House of Representatives as Republicans. And I 507 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: know you left the party, but I'm I'm sure that 508 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: you want to see conservatives in office and dominate if 509 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: they're a true conservative. What do you see the GOP 510 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: faring for the House and Senate races that are coming up. 511 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: Its opportunity to take back the House from Democrats, and 512 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: hopefully we will get a truly conservative, not just Republican majority. 513 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, parties in the context of 514 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: majorities do matter. And and I hope, even though I'm 515 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: no longer a member of the party, I do hope 516 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: that Republicans in you know, the Capital are sinse do 517 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: take over the majority in two because that's the best opportunity, 518 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: hopefully to not only stop the Biden and I put 519 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: that in air quotes. We don't know he's not running 520 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: the country, but the Biden administration agenda, you know, this 521 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: extreme nationalism, the Green New Deal, the Infrastructure Plan, you know, 522 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: pro choice legislation, all of this voting stuff like hr 523 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: m S one and H four you know, these things 524 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: that are trying to federalize our election processes for early 525 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: unconstitutional is trying to give bureaucrast in Washington more power 526 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: than these lawless bureaucrasts on the state level. So there 527 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: are so many reasons we absolutely need to take back 528 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: the majority. And I hope and I'm really encouraged to 529 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: see that um kind of outside of the traditional Republican 530 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: Party candidates are stepping up and they're running in a 531 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: lot of these races, Like we have Larry Elder and 532 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: Colonel Alan West, you know who stepped up to run 533 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: in races. You know, we have even a challenger, Doug Huffins, 534 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: who is who's challenging Governor Greg Abbott just in the primary. 535 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: That's a great thing for conservatism. So I think there's 536 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot of hope because I think the American people 537 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: have been awakened to the problems of the swamp that 538 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: is creeped out even into state races. And what we 539 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: can do, regardless of party affiliation, is to support the 540 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: good candidates that are truly advocating for conservative principles and 541 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: then once they get an office, continue to hold them accountable. 542 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: But also can to you to encourage them to do 543 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: the job of proper governing under this principle of preserving 544 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: and protecting our rights. That's a great question I've been asked, 545 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: and I feel at this point that I'm doing a 546 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: lot of good where God has put me in right now, 547 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: in the position that I'm at. I will never say never, 548 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: because who would have ever thought I'm doing I'm doing that? 549 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: But I will just say that I take my life 550 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: one day at a time. I do what God has 551 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: for me the next day, and if he calls me 552 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: to run for office, I will. But right now, at 553 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: this point, I am so focused on the election integrity 554 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: battle that that to me, as an attorney, I can serve. 555 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I can serve my country the best 556 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: in that arena. But I don't know. Maybe next time 557 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: we're on, I'll have an announcement for you, I will say, 558 00:33:52,840 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: before we move on, let's take a quick break round 559 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: the corner. President Trump has told a number of people, 560 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: and he's seemingly gestured to it and in media appearances, 561 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: that he's going to be running again for president. So 562 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: with that being the case, I mean clearly formidable Republican 563 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: Canada and formidable and in any sense and Democrats whatever. 564 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: But you got Rhonda Santez, who seemingly has been implementing 565 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: a Trump agenda in Florida in numerous ways. I mean, 566 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: he's been running the state amazingly and actually took on 567 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: a lot of efforts that President Trump took on and 568 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: wasn't able to get accomplished. You talk about what he's 569 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: done with Rhonda Santis, that is with big tech um, 570 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: how he handled COVID, how he handled a number of 571 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: different things, and and made sure that he has one 572 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: of the most proper, prosperous and well runned states in 573 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: the country. There's a lot of conservatives that are excited 574 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: about him potentially running for president if that happens, How 575 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: do you think this shakes out full problem have? Unlike 576 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, where you know, there we had a stage 577 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: full of people like you know, Jeb Bush and John 578 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: Kasik and people who you know, nobody was excited about, right, 579 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: And nobody at that point, at least me and a 580 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: lot of my fellow conservatives didn't know Donald Trump. We 581 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: you know, I was excited about Ted Cruz, but not 582 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: nearly as much as people are excited about President Trump now. 583 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: And Ron Descantis. So I'm excited that we have more 584 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: than just one person who is leading this whole movement. 585 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: And I think President Trump one of the greatest thing 586 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: that he has done is encouraged other people like the 587 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: wrong destantus Is of of the world and and others 588 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: to step up and and step out so boldly to 589 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: proclaim the truth of the Gospel of Christ. And Rhon 590 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: Descantis did that brilliantly. By the way, at UM the 591 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: Faith and Freedom Conference with Rael Freed, I was there. 592 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: I heard him speak, I had spoken a day earlier, 593 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: and it was amazing, and I loved it, and I 594 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: I love run to Stantis. He's done a wonderful job 595 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: for Florida. So I think this is a great problem 596 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: to have that we have options, and we have more 597 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: people who are willing to join President Trump in this fight. 598 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: And so I know a lot of people who would 599 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: love to see him as president. I know a lot 600 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: of people that will continue to support Donald Trump. And 601 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: whether Trump decides to run, or whether he decides to 602 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: endorse the Stantist or someone else in more of a 603 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: chancellor kingmaker role, you know, we'll see. But I think 604 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: for the Republican group or I should say conservatives now, 605 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: but for also the Republican Party, this is a great 606 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: problem to have. I'm excited. So no, no, no, uh. 607 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: Analysis on who might win that fight well, I you know, 608 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: it's so hard to say right now because it all 609 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: depends on how things shake out. I mean, you know, 610 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: the Stantis may decide he's not going to run in 611 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: if he wants to finish out his terms as governor. 612 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there are just so many variables. But you know, 613 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: if it was head to head, I still think that 614 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: President Trump has so much love and popularity and there's 615 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: so many people who want to see him back in office. 616 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: I still think he has the edge currently on the Santis. 617 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: But you know, you never know, and you never know 618 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: who else might join the race or you know what 619 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: might happen to change the equation. But if it were 620 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: a head to head right now and people were declaring today, 621 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: I would still give the edge to Donald Trump. Okay. 622 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because people who have talked about this 623 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: in terms of a head to head Rhonda Santis and 624 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: President Trump have said that Rhonda Santis is Trump in 625 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: terms of policies without some of the personal uh baggage, 626 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: if you will, that Donald Trump may bring in in 627 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: terms of personality. So I think a lot of people 628 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: are saying it in the in the Republican Party, you 629 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: don't know. I think that's true. Um, I mean, everybody 630 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: you know is aware of the Trump mean tweets, right, 631 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: or that you know, the things that initially were there 632 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: were some you know, of the evangelical community or for 633 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: other reasons why people were initially hesitant to support Trump. 634 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: So I think that that's true that at least so far, 635 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: run To Santist doesn't have some of those personality sorts 636 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: of you know, whether you want to call them quirks 637 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: or drawbacks. I think that's true. But I also think 638 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: that President Trump has shown that he can surmount to that, 639 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: and people at this point, especially after the last six 640 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: months of Biden, really don't care about the main tweets. 641 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: They love the fact that Donald Trump was willing to 642 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: go in and be you know, a bull in the 643 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: China closet of Washington. And I think I've also heard 644 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: that there is some concern that you know, would run 645 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: To Santists come here and be willing to do the same. 646 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: I think he would. I think he's proven that in Florida. So, 647 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, so I think that that's a true analysis, 648 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: but I don't think that that tells the whole story 649 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. And I think it's putting too much 650 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: emphasis on some of the drawbacks where we saw, I 651 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: mean those rallies that I attended with the President. There 652 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: is so much love and respect for that man all 653 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: across the country that I, you know, I just don't 654 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 1: think that mean tweets matter. So well, before I let 655 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: you go, I just want to switch gears here again. 656 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is clearly in office. He's president, and his son, 657 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 1: who somehow has a new art career as a painter, 658 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: is selling these very expensive paintings and has recently said 659 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: that he will meet with people who are looking to 660 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: purchase him. What is your take on it? Wouldn't it 661 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: be great if all of us uh jianno could paint 662 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: by number and sell it for half a million dollars. 663 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that'd be amazing. I think it's ridiculous. It's 664 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: a pretext. We all know the Biden crime family is 665 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: thoroughly corrupt. This is just yet another blatant, obvious pretext 666 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: to um, you know, have Hunter go and do his 667 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: shady business. And and I think it's ridiculous. I think 668 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: that how the media handled Hunter's laptop. How in the 669 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: in the raid of Rudy Giuliani by the FBI, which 670 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,479 Speaker 1: was absolutely absurd, he tried to hand them the hard 671 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: drives and said, this is evidence. You were told in 672 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 1: the warrant that you had to take all electronic evidence. 673 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 1: Here you go. They refused to take it. That should 674 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: tell us something about the two tier justice system in America. Wow, 675 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Wait a second, I didn't. I 676 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: hadn't heard this story. So you're saying that Rudy hit 677 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: at the laptop with him, Hunter Biden's laptop with him, 678 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: and he tried to give it to the FBI doing 679 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: a rate and they refused. Yes, And I don't know 680 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: if it was the actual physical laptop, but it was 681 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: the hard hard drive that contained the material that was 682 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: on Hunter's laptop, right, so it was in effect a 683 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: copy for the original um. And he tried to hand 684 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: that hard drive and say, this is the Cure's laptop. 685 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: You want to thank this. They refused, even though the 686 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: warrant specifically said that they were to seize all electronic 687 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: evidence his personal cell phone was taken. Everything else they 688 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: refused to take that. That should be a huge question 689 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: to the American people about how much are shady, swampy, disgusting, 690 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: dark actors in Washington are covering for Biden and the 691 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: crime family. I think it's ridiculous. Well, I hadn't heard that. 692 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me know. And unfortunately, I believe 693 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: every word. I believe. I can see that happening where 694 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: justice is supposed to be. And I was a former prosecutor, 695 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: right and then I was a defense attorney, but prosecution. 696 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: I started volunteering at the Boulder County District Attorney's office 697 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: when I was seventeen. Um, I've loved law. I've been 698 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: in you know, way more trials, Um, you know, on 699 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: both sides than you know any of a lot of 700 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: these other lawyers in d C. And there is a 701 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: higher ethical obligation that specifically a rule for prosecutors for 702 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: the government, that they have a higher responsibility that their 703 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,919 Speaker 1: only client is justice. They have to be unbiased, they 704 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,280 Speaker 1: have to completely ignore politics. But what the American people 705 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: are so viscerally upset about is how we have such 706 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: a two tiered system of justice that justice now is 707 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: a political term, and I reject that completely. And this 708 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: is why, as President Trump has always said, we have 709 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: to drain the swamp, because if we are going to 710 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: have legitimate, meaningful liberty, well then we have to have 711 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: liberty and meaningful justice for all. And if we don't 712 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: have justice, then we are going to rapidly lose our liberty. 713 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: And it seems as though we truly are rapidly losing 714 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: our liberty. You know. I just want to thank you 715 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: for the conversation and certainly for joining me to talk 716 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: about this. A lot of people are interested in your 717 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: story and you know what's going on, and I think 718 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: some people that are Trump supporters probably we feel very 719 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: much the same as you do about the GOP and 720 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: so maybe looking to leave. So I'm hoping that the 721 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: GOP and those who are running it is very much 722 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 1: aware of how its members are feeling. And I agree 723 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: with you fully that if you feel that the Republican 724 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: Party is not engaging the tenets of the conservative movement, 725 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: you should be vocal about it absolutely, and I have 726 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: been many times before, so I I really appreciate your engagement, 727 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: certainly on that in your fastidiousness to what has happened 728 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: in this country since Joe Biden is one. So thank 729 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: you for bringing all that to the table on out 730 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: love with you. Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Giano. 731 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: And you know, as as Martin Luther said during the 732 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: Protestant Reformation, you know here I stand. I can do 733 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: no other and I would just encourage everyone stand on truth. 734 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: Don't worry about politics. Politics is meaningless compared to the 735 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: eternal and mutable truth of what our country founded on, 736 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: and that's God, our creator, the God of the Bible. 737 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: And if we stand on truth every day, you can 738 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: never ever go wrong and be continent and bold in that. 739 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: So thank you for your voice again and thanks for 740 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: having me on. One last question before you go. Is 741 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: there anything you're working on at the folks at home 742 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,439 Speaker 1: should know about that? You have a book coming out? 743 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. I have been so focused on the Election 744 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: Integrity Alliance and if you're interested in looking at that 745 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: or signing up for all of our our publications, all 746 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: of that go to American Greatness Fund dot com. Um 747 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: you'll see the Election Integrity Alliance there. And then also 748 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: I have a show at six pm Monday through Friday 749 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: on Real America's voice called Just the Truth. We talked 750 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: about just the truth of everything. And then I will 751 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: actually be a relaunching my podcast in the coming weeks 752 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: under a little bit different format, different platform. Looking forward 753 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: to announcing that soon. So a lot of projects in 754 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: the works, and then, of course you can always follow 755 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 1: me on social media Twitter, Facebook, all of that at 756 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: Jenna Ellis e s Q for Esquire because I love 757 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: being a lawyer. Thanks, Okay, thank you so much, and 758 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: we'll be uh certainly watching um for what you got. Thanks. Yeah, 759 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: I want to thank Jenna Ellis for a great interview. 760 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: If you're enjoying the show, please leave us a review 761 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: and rate us with five stars on the Apple Podcast. 762 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: If you have any questions for me, please email me 763 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: at out loud at ginger Street sixty dot com and 764 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: I'll try to answer them in our future episodes. And 765 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: please sign up for my monthly Lose letter at ginger 766 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: Street sixty dot com slash all loud. You can also 767 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: find me on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and parlor at Giano Caldwell. 768 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: And if you're interested in learning more about my story, 769 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: please pick up a copy of my bestselling book title 770 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: Taken for Granted. How conservatism can win back the Americans. 771 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: Deliberalism failed. Special thanks to our producer John Cassio, researcher 772 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,720 Speaker 1: and Clinging, and and executive producers Debbie Myers and speaker 773 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 1: New Gingwige, all part of the Ginglish Street sixty network