1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:08,159 Speaker 2: In this episode of Amy and TJ, Robots just just 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: leaned over to me before we started and said, we 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: have to watch Dangle tonight. And with that, yeah, and 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: with that, that's how we're going to start this episode now. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: It Tangled is one of Robot's absolute favorite No, it 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: is your favorite. 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: It's my favorite Disney movie, okay, and my favorite song ever. 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Okay, and her favorite song ever is sung by a 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: guy who is sitting now ten feet from her in 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: studio right now. So it's very exciting for her and 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: it's I don't know, is it difficult for me? Because 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: you are a huge broad You're a Broadway fanatic I am, 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: and so you get and understand the background and the 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: talent of our guest today better than I think most 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: because a lot of people got introduced to him on 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: Shazam as Shazam in that movie Blockbuster, but before that, 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: people got family with him as the lead character on Chuck. 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: But you uh huh, Chuck, don't give a damn, don't care. 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: Flynn Ryder all there it is. We have excellent thank you, 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 3: and your voice even when you talk, it's so funny 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: because I have seen that movie so many times, and 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: my daughters and I have listened to I See the 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: Light with you and Mandy Moore singing, and I just 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: I have listened to it at nauseum. When we started 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: running together, we switched playlists, and remember I had I 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: See the Light on my running playlist because that's how 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: much I love this song. 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: When she says ad nauseum, emphasis on the nauseum, because. 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: That's a very interesting run tracks like an upbeat. 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: I have a Broadway run track, but I also put 32 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: in some Disney movies that you know, are kind of 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: Broadway esque, those types of songs, So I like those 34 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: kinds of songs when I'm running every now and then, 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: I like to mix it up. 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: But should we introduce him? 37 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: Yes, we haven't said his name yet. 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have. 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure people already know yeah at this point. Yeah, 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: I mean, why were they not know that we have 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: Zachary Levi here? 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: Surprised man? 43 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: It is really good to see you, and it is man. 44 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: When they came to us and said, our producers say, hey, 45 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: Zachary Levi, you guys interested? You want to talk to him? 46 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: I said, hell, yes, And one of the first things 47 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: I said to her, I freaking love that guy, because 48 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: we have in the past, we've spent some time with 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: you at the Good Morning America studios, and I don't 50 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: know what it was. It seemed like I'm being offensive 51 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: when I say, yeah, I was so pleasantly surprised by you, 52 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: Like I expect you to be an idiot or something. No, 53 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: but you would just sometimes you just use find people 54 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: you connect and you just had a great energy and 55 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: you were just I was so impressed by you, and 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: I said it to her immediately after spending time with you. 57 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, and I don't take that in 58 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: any offensive way whatsoever. I understand what you're saying. I mean, listen, 59 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: you know you guys, particularly in your position, you are 60 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: forced to interview a lot of people throughout your career, 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: and sometimes those interviews are just kind of exactly what 62 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: you think they're gonna be and the more service level 63 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: or whatever that is. And sometimes you might be surprised 64 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: by somebody who's like, oh, he's an actor, but he 65 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: has maybe a little bit more to say, or he 66 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: has some more depth about what he's talking about. And 67 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to think that I think a lot about 68 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: things and I feel very deeply, and I care very deeply, 69 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: and so those things combined allow me to hopefully have 70 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: conversations that are a little deeper, a little bit more inspiring. 71 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. 72 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you aren't like the others. 73 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, all of those guys. The rest of Hollywood? 74 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: Is there a rest of Hollywood? Is there a consensus 75 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: in Hollywood? 76 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: Is there? I don't know. 77 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: We always are told to think that Hollywood is a 78 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: uniform is uniform in thought for some reason, what is 79 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: your experience? 80 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: Well, listen, that's far from the truth, obviously. I mean, 81 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: as human beings, even people that you agree with on 82 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of what you might agree, there's always 83 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: an outlying position, right, So we don't all have uniform thought, 84 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: and God forbid that we ever would. That does not 85 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: make for an interesting or better world. We need to 86 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: be able to have different opinions, challenging each other in 87 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: those opinions, refining them, iron, sharpening iron. That is the 88 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: human experience, and it helps us all become better versions 89 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: of ourselves in the process. I think that Hollywood has 90 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: definitely held some strong common threads of beliefs, you know, 91 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: and those by and large have leaned perhaps more liberal 92 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: or more left in the political spectrum of things or whatever. 93 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: But I don't know even everybody who does fall under 94 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: that category. They all still have their own individual hearts 95 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: and minds. Whether or not they feel like they're able 96 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: to express them is another conversation. 97 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: Well, that was my follow up question. How receptive are 98 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: a lot of coworkers or folks in that industry two 99 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: differing points of view? You know, it's an interesting concept 100 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 3: because so many of artists are about expressing themselves and 101 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: are about telling stories, and yet there seems to be 102 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: a commonality among those people who deliver that art that 103 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: it is more liberal or left leaning. So is their 104 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: freedom to speaker truth. 105 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: It just depends on what you're willing to shoulder, you know. 106 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are very scared, understandably 107 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: that if they speak to outside of the accepted lane, 108 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: that there will be backlash, and there has been for 109 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: some people. You know. I've definitely recently, in the last 110 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: election and whatnot, I have had different opinions about a 111 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: lot of what most of my industry was pulling toward. 112 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: And there have been people that have not been happy 113 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: with me because of that. And there's other people that 114 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: I know know my heart, They know me for a 115 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: long time. They know that though we disagree politically or 116 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: philosophically or whatever it is, I'm not trying to do 117 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: anything other than try to unite as many people as 118 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: I can in love and understanding that we are going 119 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: to have differences of opinions. May we hash through those, 120 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: May we be passionate and how we hash to through those. 121 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: But may we always see each other as a child 122 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: of God. May we never abandon this thing of somehow 123 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: saying like, well, you're a monster, you're a monster, and 124 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: you're evil because you think X, Y or Z, Like 125 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: that's insane. That's never going to bring us together. I 126 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: think one of the biggest problems is that we have 127 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: been conditioned so much on both sides of the aisle. 128 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: By the way two, it's not it used to be. Hey, 129 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: how do we bring people together? Don't give up what 130 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: you believe to be true. Let's find the common truth. 131 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: There is common truth. We're all dancing around some of 132 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: these things and almost getting it and almost on all 133 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: these from all these trajectories. But let's get there. Let's 134 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: actually get there. It's it's become far less about let's 135 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: get there and far more about No, I just want 136 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: to win. I want to win this moment. And that's 137 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: why so much of I've found the legacy media they 138 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, with journalism, we're finding out even journalists way 139 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: back in the day, there was still government programs that 140 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: were leaning on our journalists, like even Cronkite, which is 141 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: crazy to think about, but if you go back far enough, 142 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: talk shows, news, they were far more neutral and how 143 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: they approached different viewpoints, they allowed the journalistic integrity to 144 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: still be holding. I find in legacy media nowadays. You 145 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: could be very right in the point that you're making, 146 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: But if you're making it in this kind of sarcastic 147 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: those idiots on the other side, do you think that's 148 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: helping the point. Do you think that's helping get people 149 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: to your side. No, you're just preaching to your choir. 150 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: You're just becoming an echo chamber. And that's not good 151 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: for me. 152 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: You're preaching to this choir. I mean, we were once 153 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: among the legacy media. I mean we were mainstream media 154 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: network news for almost two decades, and we are laughing 155 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: and looking at each other because we absolutely what you're 156 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: saying resonates with us. 157 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: One hundred percent specifically on the condescending tone. You're right 158 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: that we watch every we watch some form of news 159 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: every single day on television, and there's not a moment 160 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: a day that passes that we go look at how 161 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: the tone, like, why are you saying it like that? 162 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: You're so to your point about enemies and the they 163 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: have to be a monster. You have to make the 164 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: other side an enemy. You mentioned two things in your 165 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 2: answer there. You mentioned what was I wrote it down. 166 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: You said heart, and you said willing to shoulder a burden. 167 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: You use those two things, and I'm wondering what the 168 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: new movie coming out? You got a movie this weekend, 169 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: Unbreakable Boy, that has heart. I'm saying, as you've become 170 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: more outspoken and more comfortable and talking about who you are, 171 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: are you picking and choosing projects that are more reflective 172 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: of you and heart and a position or bringing people together? 173 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of stuff in this movie that 174 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: it's very difficult to argue with, but people will find 175 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: a way. But has that in any way changed how 176 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: you go about now choosing projects and trying to get 177 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: your message out not just through an interview, but maybe 178 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: through your work. 179 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: I would say that throughout my career, most of these 180 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: roles find me, you know, like I'm finally in a 181 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: position post the First Shazam where there's far more I 182 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: have far more agency, more offers, meaning I can then 183 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: pick and choose what my destiny is to an extent, 184 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: But even those offers are still coming to me. I 185 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: didn't go out and search them find them. There are 186 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: certain projects that I have found certain ip a book, 187 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: a story, true story that I'm like, oh my god, 188 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: I want to go make that story. But most of 189 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: these projects still find me. The Unbreakable Boy essentially found me. 190 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: My criteria for the types of films projects that I 191 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: want to be a part of really comes down to, well, 192 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: what is the whole? What is the whole of it? 193 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: What is the entire package of it? What is the 194 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: script and the story? First and foremost, is it something 195 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: that I feel like is done excellently? And then is 196 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: the team around it one that's prepared to execute it excellently. 197 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: If we make excellence, then you find truth and excellence. 198 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: You don't have to go preach to people what you 199 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: think is the truth. Go tell something just authentically. Go 200 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: tell something authentically and excellently and allow people to find 201 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: the message in that, and I think when you do 202 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: on both sides again, like there have been a lot 203 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: of let's say more Christian or faith based films that 204 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: historically in the past have not been very good. They've 205 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: not from a from an entertainment aspect. The message is nice, 206 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: but the packaging is garbage. You know. It's like it's 207 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: like it's like wrapping a really tasty chocolate and a 208 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: bunch of donshit. I mean, it's like it's like, what 209 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: are you doing? Why? That doesn't have to be that way. 210 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: But unfortunately a lot of the people that were doing 211 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: those stories were not high level artists let's say at 212 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: that time or in those but they had really good hearts. 213 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: Then on the other side, you've got a lot of 214 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: the more let's say mainstream entertainment that is incredible to 215 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: look at and it's got it's the fit and finish 216 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: is wonderful, but it's like poison being wrapped in chocolate. 217 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: It's like, what are we what are we doing here? 218 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: You know, there's got to be a better way you 219 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: can have chocolate wrapping chocolate. It can all be good, 220 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: it can all be a nice little thing. So I 221 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: think that that's you. You have to You can't just 222 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: relax or or rely or rest on the laurels of 223 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: the message that cannot be. You still got to go 224 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: make something that's really good. And you cannot be proselytizing 225 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: on either side. You can't be hitting people over the 226 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: head with religion and you can't be hitting them over 227 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: the head with whatever new religion is. And there's a 228 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: lot of that stuff. There's a lot of things that 229 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: people are like, no, you got to bend the knee 230 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: to whatever this new thought process is, this agenda is. 231 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: It's like, no, sorry, If you want me to come 232 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: around on what you believe, then you better do it 233 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: better than that instead of just trying to beat people 234 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: in a submission like believe it or you're canceled. It's like, 235 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: what that's not That's not gonna work. 236 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: No, that does not work. And it's cool to hear you. 237 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we're huge fans of your work. You've 238 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: been super busy, and it's cool to hear you be 239 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: able to speak from the heart you have you lost 240 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: out on work, being your authentic self and voicing your 241 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: opinions even when you go over into the political world. 242 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: Do you believe you have lost any work because of that? 243 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: I honestly have no idea. I genuinely like, are there 244 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: executives or producers or casting directors or people that are 245 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: having conversations in rooms somewhere where my name comes up 246 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: and they're like, nah, forget that guy. I don't know. 247 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: Maybe there are. I'm not in those rooms, so I 248 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: have no idea. What I know is that there are 249 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: still lots of wonderful projects that are coming my way, 250 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: and now maybe not ironically, but kind of ironically even 251 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: more in some respect, because there are people, there's a 252 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: whole new batch of filmmakers and executives that are fed 253 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: up with the nonsense that don't want to be a 254 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: part and haven't wanted to be a part of the 255 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: Hollywood system and the brokenness out there for a long time. 256 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: They've just been waiting for a moment where independent creators 257 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: can go and do that outside of that system, unbeholden 258 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: to that system. And more and more of them pop 259 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: up every single day, people that are that we're in 260 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: that traditional system, that have a lot of weight, but 261 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: they're like, I don't want to go and do this anymore. 262 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. So there's going to 263 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: be more of that. There's gonna be other opportunities entirely 264 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: things that I'm looking forward to, spreading my wings and 265 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: scratching those itches. Things that you know, like even if listen, 266 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: when I came out of the proverbial closet, the political clauset, you. 267 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 3: Came out of the political came out. 268 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: Yes, But I will say like I put a lot 269 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: of thought in prayer into that because I knew that 270 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: there could be like, what's worst case scenario. Worst case 271 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: scenario is Hollywood totally says you're done, We're not going 272 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: to hire you anymore. Whatever. But that was a risk 273 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: I was willing to take because I felt the conviction 274 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: in my heart to do what I felt was right. 275 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: And I know that a lot of other people disagreed 276 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: with that, and they felt it was right to go 277 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: and support the other candidate, and God bless them, that 278 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: is their right, that is their autonomy, that is their agency. 279 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: And I would never and I never have ever blamed 280 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: anybody for feeling that that compulsion. But I knew what 281 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: I needed to do within my own life, and I 282 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: knew that if I truly believe that God's called me 283 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: to that, then God will be with me and will 284 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: provide however God's going to provide. 285 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: You know, how much of you seem to be totally 286 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: chill about it all? And how much or if anything, 287 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: does the fact that you got to you got a 288 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: baby on the way, that's a couple of months away, 289 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: do date? 290 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: Right? Not even like within two months? First week of April? 291 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: First child? 292 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Child? Okay? 293 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: How is that played into life decisions you've made about 294 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: career or being a public voice on policy in this 295 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: country that people listen to and have become a bit 296 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: of a fire brand to a certain degree. So how 297 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: does you You've about to bring a you're about to 298 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: have a child for the first time, how does that plan? 299 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: I waited all that, Yeah, I wait all that. I 300 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: don't want to bring any kind of extra burden on 301 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: my girlfriend, on her family, on my family, on our 302 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: family that we're building together, our child obviously, uh. But 303 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: also I want to be an example to my children 304 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: that you you must fight for what you believe is true. 305 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: I think I think that, and also again believing that 306 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna be okay, We're gonna be okay. I 307 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: don't I don't know what the future holds, but actually, 308 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: right now it feels very groovy, Like I Do'm not 309 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: like I'm really not. I'm not worried about whatever my 310 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm worried for this country, our world. I have those 311 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: types of worries. But I know that if I'm ever 312 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: going to affect any kind of positive change in that, 313 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: I've got to be willing to take these types of steps, 314 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: in these types of stands. I think that we as 315 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: a society, and this is a very cyclical thing, right, 316 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: like we we have become very soft isn't exactly the 317 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: right word, but we've we we we we prioritize this 318 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: idea of like self preservation to an extent that I 319 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are just terrified of, Like, well, 320 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: I don't wanna. I don't want to do anything that 321 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: would compromise that. Now, Listen, self preservation is not that's survival, right. 322 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: We obviously have to make decisions that are not stupid, 323 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: that are that are wise for us for those around us. 324 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: But we wouldn't be sitting in this studio right now, 325 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: in this incredible city, in this incredible country, were it 326 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: not for a whole bunch of men who were literally 327 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: willing to They took self preservation completely off the table 328 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: and said, I'm willing to die for it. I'm willing 329 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: to die to preserve actual liberty, freedom, this dream, this 330 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: crazy dream that these crazy people had hundreds of years ago, 331 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: at this point, that the beginning of what this country is. 332 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: An imperfect journey and an imperfect country, which is all true. 333 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: And yet here we sit in this incredible freedom and 334 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: in this incredible comfort that we've all now gotten. And 335 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute. If people are willing to 336 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: die for this, how much am I willing to give up? 337 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: If I feel like we're at a very pivotal point 338 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: in humanity and in this country. Okay, so I give 339 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: up an acting career that I've been blessed to do 340 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: for twenty five years, and maybe I'll go in podcast, 341 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: or maybe I'll go and sing, or maybe I'll go 342 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: and whatever. I don't know, I'll do something. 343 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 3: I'll do something that's remarkable. You thought you didn't know 344 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: what the backlash could or would be when you made 345 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 3: this decision, but you knew it could be severe enough 346 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: where you might go down a different career path. Yeah, 347 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: but you felt that strongly about it, and you got 348 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: into it with the I know it's now duped to 349 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: make America healthy again. But with RFK Junior, that was 350 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: what clicked with you. What was it about his messaging 351 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 3: and him that got you so impassioned and so excited 352 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: that you were potentially willing to say, Hey, I won't 353 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: act anymore to be this voice. 354 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I genuinely believe that we, all of us, 355 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: all Americans, are passion I think that almost every one 356 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: of the major industries in this world and in this 357 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: country has been corrupted, just been corrupted, and our government 358 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: is colluding with them in a lot of deep corruption 359 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: because if your regulatory agencies are not doing the job 360 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: of actually regulating those industries. And I'm talking about specifically 361 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical industry, the agricultural industry, the food industry, the energy, 362 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: I mean every industry. When it came to Bobby Kennedy 363 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: and Maha, I was like, first of all, I could 364 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: I personally could not think of a better presidential candidate 365 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: for me for my dollars than a Robert F. Kennedy Junior. 366 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: I didn't vote for Trump the first two elections. In fact, 367 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: I was down the ticket libertarian like voting my conscience 368 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: on the last you know, three or however many, because 369 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: I was like, I was fed up with this duopoly. 370 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: I was fed up with this red and blue and 371 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: everything else. And I think a lot of us are 372 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: and were and whatever, and so all of a sudden 373 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: and all of the candidates that we were being offered, 374 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: I felt like, I don't see the level of humility 375 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: and integrity in them that I personally want. And all 376 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: of a sudden, here comes Bobby Kennedy. And as with everyone, 377 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: he's not a perfect human being, and he doesn't have 378 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: the perfect past or whatever. You can pick people apart endlessly. 379 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: Who are they right now? Who have they become? Who 380 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: have they become through their darkness, through their trials, through 381 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: their tribulations. Have they decided to be a victim and 382 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: be angry? It's an increase. I mean, I get worked 383 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: up even thinking about it, because it's like, that's an 384 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: example of a leader that I wanted to vote for 385 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: for president. So I already saw that in him, as 386 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: in his character. More than that, the fact that he 387 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: had already fought for us in so many ways, litigating 388 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: against massive industry, particularly energy companies that were poisoning the 389 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: earth and poisoning us, like he's done it over and 390 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: over and over and over again. So for him to 391 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you know what we need to do 392 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: more than anything, we just need transparency. We need to 393 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: look into all of the documentation and all the data 394 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: and just make sure that what they're telling us is true, 395 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: that all of these things are safe and effective and 396 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: not hurting us and not harming us. And quite frankly, 397 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: I think that what we're about to find out, and 398 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: we're already find out finding out, is that there's a 399 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: lot of corruption in all of that. I mean, look 400 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: at here's just one little thing. How's how's your gluten tolerance? 401 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: Are you abe no to Farila? Like, are you able 402 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: to eat bread in the United States? 403 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: It's very different than bread in your arms? 404 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: And why is that? And why is that? Why is 405 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: it the people with gluten intolerances in this country can 406 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: go to Italy and be like, I get it all 407 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: a positive I want I feel fine, guys, if that's 408 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: not a massive red flag for all of us to 409 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: go maybe maybe maybe there's some let's at least pull 410 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: on that thread, right. So there's so many things that 411 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: to me he was standing for when it came to 412 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: just the health of our country. We can all argue 413 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: about MAGA because people go like, well, what does it 414 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: mean to make America great again? When was it great 415 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: for you? When was it great for me? Which can 416 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: be a valid argument. I understand that. I think that 417 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: there's things that I think. I think there's things that 418 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: we can point to that are universal great things. Right, 419 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: But nobody should be arguing about what's healthy and what 420 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: makes us healthy. I mean, even though we'll find influencers 421 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: all over the map who were going to carnivores better 422 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: than keto versus the vegetarian or whatever. Right, but I 423 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: think all of us can can recognize if we're shown 424 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: true under the hood and we get the light the 425 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: disinfectant and we go, oh wow, turns out red three 426 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: die is not something we should have in our body. 427 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Turns out that all of these additives and all these 428 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: preservatives and all these things that are already and have 429 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: been illegal in Europe that we still get fed aren't 430 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: great for us. That shouldn't be a shocker. That should 431 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: be something that we all agree on. Let's do it. 432 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: Oh, and I do have a question. You have your 433 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 3: father your baby is on the way, Are you going 434 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: to have you decided whether or not you will vaccinate 435 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 3: your child? 436 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh, we are choosing not to vaccinate our children. 437 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you've already made that decision. 438 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, until there can be more clarity on exactly 439 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: what is in all of those vaccines, and until there's 440 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: actual robust testing done on all of them, which up 441 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: to this point, what I have come to find out 442 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: is that that robust testing that we've all been told 443 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: has been done has not been done. And so I 444 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: would like more clarity. I'd like more transparency. I would 445 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: like to really understand. I think it's all about informed consent. 446 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: We deserve to be informed entirely before we consent to 447 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: any of these things, and we have not been offered 448 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: that as the American people. 449 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: And what do you think Bobby Kennedy is going to 450 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: be able to do? 451 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: Transparency? Listen, that alone is a massive step. We have 452 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: been lied again, I believe wholeheartedly. We've been lied to 453 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: on so many levels about so many things. I mean, now, 454 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: finally the FBI and CIA are confirming that the virus 455 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: was leaked, the COVID vaccine, or the COVID virus was 456 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: leaked from the lab and Wuhan. This is a thing 457 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: that many many, many of us were all saying, like, guys, 458 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: this is probably what went down. And there was censorship, 459 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: like broad, broad levels censorship all over social media, all 460 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: of the news. You were a whack you were a crackpot. 461 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: How dare you insinuate that's conspiracy theory, that's racist. People 462 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: said to suggest that perhaps the Wuhan, you know, variology 463 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: in the Institute of Virology that was working on gain 464 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: of function, all of these things, these these turn out 465 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: to be true. Those to me are pretty large hallmarks 466 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: of a massive obfuscation that's going on, and we deserve 467 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: to know the. 468 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: Truth where is it is. So it's been interesting and 469 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: like we can't stop you. Like what I mean by this. 470 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: You are clearly so passionate about where you are. We've 471 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: asked you a couple questions about the movie, and we've 472 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: talked about the movie a little bit, and you we 473 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: don't have to ask you any questions about what's going 474 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: on in the world. You are there, and it's I 475 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: think and I appreciate and I think we You might 476 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: have noticed us nudging each other earlier. You were giving 477 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: an answer we just dealt with something a short time 478 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: ago with the family member that you just described, which 479 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 2: is like, wow, we're on different size of an issue, 480 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: and that means you have to be a monster, and 481 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: that it sums up and you summed up a just 482 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: where we are in this country in terms of the 483 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: back and forth. 484 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: It's right. 485 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: You have to be my enemy. I have to win. 486 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: And you've just articulated in such an impassioned way that 487 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: I hope folks will listen to you beyond headlines. They 488 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 2: can disagree with you, that's fine, but I hope people 489 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: will take the time to listen to you beyond headlines 490 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: because you are such a sharp and passionate dude from 491 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 2: everything our experience has been. I know people disagree with you, 492 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: but they don't have to hate you in the meantime. 493 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, listen. I just hope that people 494 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: take the time if they do see some clickbait headline 495 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: or whatever, like if you want, if you really want 496 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: to hate me, that's fine, just dig a little. You 497 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: don't even have to dig that deep. You don't because 498 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: I present myself and who I am and my heart 499 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: for all of us, and you know I might be wrong. 500 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: I never claim to be like unimpeachable about what I believe, 501 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 1: and I change and evolve every single time I presented 502 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: with new evidence about something, I will eat crow if 503 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: I have to eat crow. To me, it's not a 504 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: matter of winning so that I don't have to eat crow. 505 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: It's that we all win. And in order for all 506 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: of us to win, that means we all have to 507 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: be humble enough to recognize any one of us could 508 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: be absolutely wrong at any moment. 509 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: How do you balance in sitting here and having a 510 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: project and I know that folks in the studio and 511 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 2: backers of the movie are like, come on, man, keep 512 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: talk about the movie more. But how do you balance 513 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: in a moment like this where you have a platform 514 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: and you want to talk about this a little bit, 515 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: you want to talk about that a little bit. How 516 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: how do people then as there they're listening to you 517 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: now and there's a all right, I'm interested in this 518 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: movie and I'm interested in him. Are you Are you 519 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: hoping like they hear more from you and they'll meet 520 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: interested more in the project? Are you hoping like it's 521 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: just it seems like such a balance to that you 522 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 2: have to strike. Unfortunately, I should say that where you 523 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: use your platform that the movies give you to talk 524 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 2: about something that then hurts you. Sometimes possibly if people 525 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: don't like the message from the actor. 526 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: Well, first I would say, go see The Unbreakable Boy 527 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: February twenty first in theaters. Tell all your friends and 528 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: all your family and everybody else. It really is a special, 529 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: wonderful film that deals with the human condition. It's something 530 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: that resonates with everyone, and particularly if you or your 531 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: children or people that you know might be on the 532 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: autistic spectrum. This is a film that really handles that 533 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: subject matter so beautifully and authentically and deeply and also 534 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: heart wrenchingly like oh, it'll hit you in the feels 535 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: like I'm so proud of this film. So go see 536 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: The Umbranka Boy on February twenty first or beyond whenever. 537 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: In answers to your question, I'm a firm believer that 538 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: authenticity is maybe one of the most important things that 539 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: we should be striving for in our lives. And so 540 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: to the extent that I get the opportunity to go 541 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: and promote films, and in the process of promoting that film, 542 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: I get to talk about other things. Right, This is 543 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: part of the reason why you had the reaction to 544 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: me being possibly coming on your show, even based on 545 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: our little bit of time at Good Morning America, Because 546 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: I want to talk about things in a deeper, more 547 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: interesting way, things that affect all of us. What is life? 548 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: What is faith? You know? All of these things? Right so, 549 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: And because I spend a lot of time thinking about 550 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: these things, I'm not afraid to talk about them. I 551 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: want to talk about them. I want the conversation to 552 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: keep going. I don't want conversation to be stopped even 553 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Come to me, talk to me, say hey, 554 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: here's some of new evidence. Amazing. We're never gonna get 555 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: there if all of us are so afraid to share 556 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: our authentic self and talk about what we believe authentically. 557 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: And more than that, you know, yes, there are some 558 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: people that may disagree with you and don't like what 559 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: you're saying, and that makes them they are incapable of 560 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: disconnecting the art from the artists, and so they'll be like, ah, 561 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't like this person anymore personally, so therefore I'm 562 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: not gonna go support their art. That's an unfortunate subset 563 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: of human beings. But I would say I believe. I 564 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: hope overwhelmingly there are more people that, even if they 565 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: don't agree with you entirely about what you believe, if 566 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: they see that you care, they see that you are true, 567 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: they see that you are an authentic human being who's 568 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: willing to engage and wants to engage. Then they will 569 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: take from this interview and say, you know, I don't 570 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: know that I maybe feel led to go watch that movie, 571 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: or maybe I wasn't before, but not because of the 572 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: way he talked about the movie, but because he just 573 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: was willing to be vulnerable and share his heart. I 574 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: want to go and see what they've created. I want 575 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: to go support that person. So you never know, you 576 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: never know what comes out of you know, having these 577 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: larger conversations, but I think they're worth having all the time, 578 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: better than talking about the weather which is freezing outside. 579 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, who wants to talk about that? And you have 580 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: stood your ground and ben vulnerable. You've written two books, 581 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: You've talked about having a mental breakdown at the age 582 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: of thirty seven. I mean, you've been through it. At 583 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: what point were you always a man of faith? Did 584 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: you find God through it? And I know that when 585 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: you've gone through the tough times, like so many of 586 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: us have. We would never undo it because it made 587 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: us who we are. But who is the man sitting 588 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: here today because of what you went through? 589 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: Well, I've always had a deep faith ever since I 590 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: was a small child. I just I knew that there 591 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: was a God that loved me. I mean I remember 592 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: very vividly at three or four, I'm in like some 593 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: Sunday school or something, and there's an adult trying to 594 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: explain the concept of God to me, and I'm like, no, 595 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: I got it, like I got like I you know, 596 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 1: I think we do though, I think children it's one 597 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: of the things, like, you know, we all think of 598 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: our children or children in general, as like this brand 599 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: new soul or something that's that's totally naive to the 600 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: mysteries of the universe. And I think we are. I 601 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: think we do ourselves a disservice because that soul came 602 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: from source God, Heaven aught, which is full of all 603 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: enlightenment and all love and all awareness. And then they 604 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: come down and they're in your womb, and then they're 605 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: out into the world, and yes, they're walking around like 606 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: a baby deer and bumping into walls and all of 607 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: these things. But I think their awareness is far more 608 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: wise than we give them credit for. And I remember 609 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: being that four year old child and me like, no, 610 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: there is a wisdom in me. I have an understanding 611 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: about certain things. And so I've always had a deep 612 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: faith in God, God, God big g God, and that 613 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: has manifested and evolved over the years, and growing up 614 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: in non denominational Christian type of upbringing, although we rarely 615 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: went to church, my mom was pretty anti authority. Well 616 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: I wonder where I got it from anyway, And so, 617 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: but about I've always had a deep spirituality and a 618 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: deep faith, which was one of the hardest things about 619 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: my mental breakdown, because I legitimately lost God, or felt 620 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: like I lost God. In that time. I was consumed 621 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: in darkness and was lost, just so lost, and didn't 622 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: feel like there was any way out of it. And 623 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: therefore where was God? If I could not see even 624 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: a glimmer of hope, even a pinprick of light at 625 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: the end of this dark, dark tunnel, than where was God? 626 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: And it was hard and I and it was humbling. 627 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: And but I tell you what, man on the other 628 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: side of that, Not only do I have an even 629 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: stronger faith or a stronger sense of my connection to 630 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: my creator. But I think I have a far better one, 631 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: a far healthier one. I think religion unfortunately, though I 632 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: do think there's a lot of good that has come 633 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: into the world that organized religion has been a part 634 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: of helping to foster like civilization and moralities and justice. 635 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of really good that 636 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: we can credit to organize religion, but there's also a 637 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: lot of not good. And because it's made up of us, 638 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: of the fallen, of people that are stuck in struggling 639 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: in their egos still, and the flesh and the spirit 640 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: in this constant battle. And and I think that I 641 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: was holding on to a lot of things within religion 642 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: that we're just not a part of God. And I 643 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: think a lot of people do. I think a lot 644 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: of people are holding onto that or elements of that, 645 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: And in doing so, you know, honestly, it's like it's 646 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: one of the craziest things, in such an incredible example 647 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: of man's hubrius. I think that we in one sentence 648 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: can say these two things. We can proclaim there is 649 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: a God which is this infinite being. I mean, almost 650 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: any religion or any you know, you say what is God? 651 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: And people say, well, you know, it's this omniscient omnipresence 652 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: like all powerful let's says everything. It's like the force 653 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: in Star Wars. Right, Like, we all, regardless of what 654 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: we believe God is, we can all agree that those 655 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: are some of the elements or the you know, the 656 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: kind of temperament or whatever that is of God. So 657 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: we'll say in one sentence, we'll say there is a God, 658 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: massive statement and then follow it with and we know 659 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: it completely. We know that infinite unknowing thing. We know 660 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: it's so completely that we can put it in this 661 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: box that's labeled Christianity or Judaism or Muslim or whatever 662 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: it is. And we know it. And it's like, guys, 663 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't we have enough humility to recognize that. We might 664 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: think we're we're on the right track. We might have 665 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: some more information than some other people might not have. 666 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: But you think that that manuscript, either the Bible or 667 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: the Koran or whatever, is giving you every last ounce 668 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: of information about a completely infinite being. Like what are 669 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: we even talking about right now? What are we even 670 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: talking about? And so I think we all just need 671 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: to have a little more humility as we approach the 672 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: creator and approach each other. And that's one of the 673 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: things that I definitely took out of my complete mental 674 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: breakdown and coming in God slowly but surely putting me 675 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: back into a piece by piece into the man that 676 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: sits before you now. And I'm so grateful. Like you said, like, 677 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: it's so hard in the midst of it. It is 678 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: so hard in the midst of it, when you're crying out, 679 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: You're like, God, why am I here? Why are you 680 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: doing this? To then be able to weather that storm 681 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: and come out the other side and learn things and 682 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: and and grow and evolve, And you're like, Wow, I'm 683 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: so grateful for the person that I am today. I'm 684 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: so grateful. 685 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 3: Sounds like you're the Unbreakable man who is appearing in 686 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 3: the Unbreakable Boy. 687 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: One might say that, all. 688 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: Right, tell well, we'll end it with this. Tell everyone 689 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 3: listening why they should run, not walk, to the theaters to 690 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: see Unbreakable Boy. 691 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: Well, because it's a fantastic film. And I know that 692 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: I'm biased, but it really is. And I, like I said, 693 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: even if you even if autism isn't something that you're 694 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: familiar with or touches your life in any way, shape 695 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: or form. This movie will resonate with you. This is 696 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: about the human condition. It is, it's and it's real. 697 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: It's real without without also being just like harsh, you know, 698 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: like it goes into the dark places, but there's always 699 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: this this hand that's holding you through it. And it's 700 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: and the whole family can watch it from a subject 701 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: matter perspective. All of the performances are cast our crew. 702 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 1: It's just a it's a really wonderful film. And so again, 703 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: I know everybody says that, but it really is. It 704 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: really is. 705 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 3: You can tell when actors aren't really believing what their 706 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 3: self is. Sure, we can just tell you from this 707 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 3: side of the things, we like this movie must be 708 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 3: terrible because they're not really that into You are passionately 709 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 3: into it, and as you pointed out, you are nothing 710 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 3: if not authentic. 711 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, I assume to be. But but I 712 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: would I would add I would add one one last thing, 713 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: which is why specifically to go see it in theaters. 714 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people have a lot 715 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: of opinions about like, oh, it's so great, we got 716 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 1: to get back to theaters and this for this reason, 717 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: and that reason. But I think the most important reason 718 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: is that there are very few there are very few 719 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: kind of moments or opportunities within our lives where we 720 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: get to sit with hundreds of strains experiencing the same 721 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: thing at the same time. And this is we've had 722 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: this for thousands of years, well before film and television obviously, 723 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: all performance and theaters and the amphitheaters of Greece and 724 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Right, this is a thing that we've 725 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: been blessed with because not only do we get to 726 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: go and experience whatever this entertainment is, but by sitting 727 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: in a room full of hundreds of strangers that you know, 728 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: just by default do not think like you, do not 729 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: feel like you, do not agree with you, politically, philosophically, spiritually, 730 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: whatever it is. By default, you know there's a good 731 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: chance a bunch of people in here are not like me. 732 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 1: And then you get to sit to an experience where 733 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: you all laugh and you all cry the same moments 734 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: that is necessary for us to get back to being like, Wow, 735 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're not all that different. We're not all 736 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: that different. Look at how these things resonate in our souls. 737 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: We're not that different. So I encourage people to go 738 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: watch films in the theater. If for Noah's the other reason, 739 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: then for that, you know, no, that's man. 740 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 2: That's how you say this so often, and we have 741 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 2: you say it brings something. Somebody says it gives me 742 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 2: chills or brings tears to my eyes. 743 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: I don't. 744 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 2: That shouldn't have been a tear inducing answer. But we 745 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 2: talk about this together so often, and we just did 746 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 2: this series of love Stories where we interviewed couples leading 747 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 2: up to Valentine's and I ask them the same questions. 748 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, doesn't matter 749 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 2: what age you are, if you're newly with how long 750 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 2: you've been together. There's a commonality to us all that 751 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: we don't actually usually highlight. We don't, for whatever reason, 752 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 2: find the thing that's most common. And something as simple 753 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: as that. I didn't think about it enough when we 754 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 2: talk about movies. But just go to a movie and 755 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 2: you have something in common with somebody that you would 756 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 2: normally and maybe on Twitter hate exactly, And that's just 757 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 2: that's God. We wish we could push that theme more here, 758 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: and it just we talk about it all the time, man, 759 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: all the time. 760 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 1: Here. 761 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 3: Well, and I know you have so many cool projects growing, 762 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 3: especially in said Austin, Texas. 763 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, I was telling you guys earlier. I 764 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: mean I moved out there seven and a half years ago, 765 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: but twenty five years ago, God laid this vision on 766 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: my heart to go make a better Hollywood. In order 767 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: to make a better Hollywood that actually values the artists 768 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: and their art and not just commoditizing it all, one 769 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: must build an independent movie studio, and then with that studio, 770 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: you can build places for everyone to live in and 771 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: around there, you know, similar to I mean, why does 772 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: Hershey's Pennsylvania exist? It's because Hershey wanted to make a 773 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: bunch of chocolate. But not just stopping at making a factory. 774 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: He goes, well, how do I take care of my workers? Well, 775 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: let's build them homes, and let's build them health services 776 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: and schools for their kids. Why not. The healthiest are 777 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: the happiest bees make the tastiest honey. I'm a firm 778 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: believer in that. And if you can go take care 779 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: of people and really where their needs are so satiated 780 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 1: they don't think about their wants anymore, that's the world 781 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: I want to go make and I want to make 782 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: that for people in my industry, and I hope that 783 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: we're very close to doing that right there in Austin, 784 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: Texas and then being able to make whatever film or 785 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: television or music or whatever it is that I get 786 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: to make beyond that. 787 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 3: That's Zachary. We will be following up because you're just 788 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 3: now starting this project that's been in the works for 789 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 3: over seven years. So we want to follow your work, 790 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 3: what you're doing, and what your goals are, and we 791 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 3: know we'd love to have you back in studio. We'd 792 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 3: even take you via zoom from Austin, Texas. 793 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: Well, I prefer in person. So I'm glad we're able 794 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: to do this right now. We like as yeah, well. 795 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 3: Maybe we come out survey everything, take a look at 796 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 3: it all. That sounds like a fun work trip, you know, 797 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 3: research driven. 798 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 2: But we are fans, and I know it's a mess 799 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 2: of politics and back and forth these days, but I 800 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 2: hope folks will give it a chance to just have 801 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 2: a conversation did and give you a chance just to 802 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: listen to you, hear you out more than the headlines. 803 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 2: I know that they have been reading, thank you. I 804 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: know they have been reading Zachary, it's good to see you. 805 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 2: My brother appreciates on everything. 806 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 3: Thank good luck with the movie. 807 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: Thank you