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Speaker 1: Beamer in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Isaiah, how was
Speaker 1: trip good?
Speaker 6: Trip was good? Man, Yeah, it was efficient and got
Speaker 6: some work in. Now I'm back with my squad.
Speaker 1: I think you said the most yeah I saw you saw.
Speaker 1: You said the most overrated or underrated.
Speaker 6: Team in the NFL was the Saints. Yeah they Yeah,
Speaker 6: they were. Obviously we spoke about them last week. We
Speaker 6: felt relatively good about the Dallas Cowboys chances going into
Speaker 6: that game, uh, barring the fact that they can get
Speaker 6: to the quarterback right, which did not happen. And then
Speaker 6: we also felt as if you know, obviously we did
Speaker 6: this time last week. Literally QB Vision sat up there
Speaker 6: and talked about how simplistic their defense was. But even
Speaker 6: though it was super simplistic, Dallas didn't seemly take advantage.
Speaker 6: So that goes to show you, you know, having a
Speaker 6: game plan and executing and game plan are two different things.
Speaker 6: They're not that they were not a challenging team in
Speaker 6: terms of their defense, but they showed up and put
Speaker 6: out a better performance than the Cowboys, and they walked away.
Speaker 7: With w Everyone's got a plan until they get punched
Speaker 7: in the mouth.
Speaker 8: And then punched it in and again and then again
Speaker 8: and again and then four more times. Yeah before you
Speaker 8: swing back six times? Yeah, first first six swings.
Speaker 6: All that was last week. Guys, We're on to another week.
Speaker 6: Turn We're turning the page to an angry team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with the new defensive COORDINATORRDS.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, maybe that's the title. Yeah, early, I'll
Speaker 1: write it down. Let's go and get the title and
Speaker 1: description ready to rock. They will be, they will be.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some news and notes. Patrick No c.
Speaker 8: Walker, Cowboys got to be pissed to all right. So
Speaker 8: injury report, Yeah, injury report came out yesterday. Not not
Speaker 8: necessarily ideal. First, we'll lead with the fact that Mozzie
Speaker 8: Smith left practice during the open portion, which was within
Speaker 8: the first fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: What he did not return run that.
Speaker 8: Mis Smith, my miz yeah, yeah my Smith fifty eight, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: my man. He left practice yesterday with a little bit
Speaker 8: of a back issue. Missie Smith left practicees today with
Speaker 8: a back issue. He did not return to practice. So
Speaker 8: that is absolutely something to watch in a situation where
Speaker 8: Jordan Phillips broke I broke my back, Mike Iron Michael
Speaker 8: was at the game, Yes he was on a Sunday,
Speaker 8: but something to watch in and of itself, but especially
Speaker 8: when you consider that the Cowboys move Jordan Phillips to IR,
Speaker 8: he'll miss.
Speaker 1: At a minimum of four games.
Speaker 8: You re signed, or I should say, you poach Carlos
Speaker 8: Watkins from the Commanders, So it's the return for Carlos Watkins.
Speaker 8: But all of that is to say that they're defensive
Speaker 8: tackle issues going on right now leading into the Ravens game.
Speaker 8: So we'll see if Mozzie Smith can do any work
Speaker 8: on today, being Thursday. Let's see Brandon Cook's rest to day.
Speaker 8: Trayvon Diggs, he was a headline along with Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 8: They both did not participate in practice yesterday with a
Speaker 8: foot and an ankle respectively. Digs with the foot, Lamb
Speaker 8: with the ankle. I asked around and there's no concern
Speaker 8: on either one of them.
Speaker 7: So yeah, there's nothing to get concerned about unless it's
Speaker 7: a Saturday injury right.
Speaker 8: Treat it like a like a veteran rest day. But
Speaker 8: per NFL rules, if it is injury related, and even
Speaker 8: the slightest instance, you have to list it as such.
Speaker 8: But I'm told there's no concern there. So everybody step
Speaker 8: away from the panic button when it comes to that.
Speaker 8: And while you're stepping away from the panic button, stepped
Speaker 8: toward the green light. Because Jake Ferguson returned to practice yesterday,
Speaker 8: absolut freaking losely, so i'llbeit in a limited capacity. He
Speaker 8: is back at practice, did some team drills on yesterday.
Speaker 8: Is yes, his needle is pointing in the right direction.
Speaker 8: As far as Sunday against the Ravens, Let's see Whenlee
Speaker 8: Hooker's shoulder limited rest day and Marshawn kneeling he was full,
Speaker 8: so that CAF issue is not bothering him at all.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 8: And that's really those are the big things. And John
Speaker 8: Stevens Junior also returned to practice, so he has a
Speaker 8: chance of making his NFL debut. So not only could
Speaker 8: you likely be getting Jake Ferguson back, but you might
Speaker 8: be getting the debut John Stevens, So you might be
Speaker 8: getting some real tight end depth going into this game.
Speaker 8: So yeah, but just to reiterate, Mozzie Smith, keep an
Speaker 8: eye on that, Trayvon Diggs and Cedee Lamb.
Speaker 9: No concern likely for the tight end room.
Speaker 1: I like it, just like the Raven suit. What you did? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I suit you. I didn't like what you did there,
Speaker 1: but I suit you did.
Speaker 9: I liked it.
Speaker 1: You liked it. It was pretty likely you like the Uh.
Speaker 1: So you said no concern for CD.
Speaker 5: That was the first name that popped up for me
Speaker 5: when DNP and it's like, oh my gosh, what is happening?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Even Zach Martin was out there and
Speaker 1: then he was listed as a limited.
Speaker 8: Right he was limited, but he wasn't. It was like
Speaker 8: an imp which is not injury related for those that
Speaker 8: are asking. So it was a rest day for him
Speaker 8: no matter what. But again, per NFL rules, if it's
Speaker 8: anything wrong with the player physically, half to list it,
Speaker 8: so they put knee.
Speaker 1: But he's he's fine.
Speaker 7: I feel like technically Kyle Yeoman should be on the
Speaker 7: injury report today for sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sleep deprivation, Yeah, definitely take that. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: love that injury designation.
Speaker 8: But the deprivation, Yeah, he can't hit his rim cycle
Speaker 8: to save his life. But no, we spoke with Ceede
Speaker 8: Lamb in the in the locker or e rem not
Speaker 8: realm rem. We spoke with Clamb in the locker room,
Speaker 8: and he was he was. He was the usual Ceed
Speaker 8: Lamb right, he's focused. And there's no indication whatsoever that
Speaker 8: Ceed Lamb or even Treyvon Diggs are concerned about taking
Speaker 8: the field for the fullest slate of work on Sunday.
Speaker 5: So that was the scariest part by far, and looking
Speaker 5: up and down the injury report. On the opposite side
Speaker 5: of things, it was very similar for the Ravens. I mean,
Speaker 5: you have Kyle Hamilton was a d n P. You
Speaker 5: had Kyle van Noy, Uh. I mean there's a couple
Speaker 5: of guys, yeah, that that are significant contributors to the
Speaker 5: Ravens on both sides of the ball that did not practice.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, we got six d MPs for the Ravens. We
Speaker 8: got a l I'm not going to his name, Okay,
Speaker 8: their guard. We got Jayalen Lamore Davis. He did not
Speaker 8: practice cornerback Cal Hamilton's safety. So you got two in
Speaker 8: the secondary that did not practice. One was a personal issue,
Speaker 8: Mark Davis was a personal issue. But Cal Hamilton is
Speaker 8: dealing with a back issue. Okay, so there's that. You
Speaker 8: got a Lisa Isaac dealing with a hamstring, but he
Speaker 8: was full Ronnie Stanley tackle. Obviously ankle did not participate,
Speaker 8: So a little bit of a protection issue there. But
Speaker 8: to be frank with you, speaking subjectively, didn't Figger have
Speaker 8: a back issue? And yeah, and it didn't matter whatsoever,
Speaker 8: so we'll see, although it didn't matter in Cleveland, so
Speaker 8: who knows, man, We can't. Cal van Noy, he did
Speaker 8: not practice with an eye and a groin injury, which
Speaker 8: is an odd combination. I am growing. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 8: rough man dealing with a groin issue and you get poked.
Speaker 9: Give a quick one of these.
Speaker 8: So then Nate wiggansqution with Nick and he's a concussion.
Speaker 1: Protocol there, you know.
Speaker 5: So there's the injury report between the two teams, and
Speaker 5: hopefully the Cowboys get both Zach Martin fully healthy and
Speaker 5: ready to go back on the field Sunday. And then
Speaker 5: of course you've got Jake Ferguson and John Stevens as
Speaker 5: your tight end room.
Speaker 1: Continues to show a little bit extra depth.
Speaker 8: So somebody on Twitter replied to my injury report dropped
Speaker 8: yesterday and said they'd be completely fine with Zach Martin
Speaker 8: just being pulled out his regress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Zach, we're talking about I saw the Zach Martin.
Speaker 9: I saw the same tweet.
Speaker 1: They were like, he's regress. If you benched that Martin.
Speaker 5: No, honestly, if you want to say he has regressed
Speaker 5: since twenty twenty two, that's fair, but he is still
Speaker 5: his His eighty percent of twenty twenty two is still
Speaker 5: thirty percent better than anybody else still in all pro Yeah,
Speaker 5: let's get it twist famous and if you watch the film,
Speaker 5: there are times where he gets beat. It's plain and simple,
Speaker 5: But he used to be impenetrable he used to be
Speaker 5: Thanos the second time we've made a Fanos reference in
Speaker 5: the last two days. But he used to be that
Speaker 5: guy where you could not full glove all those Infinity stones,
Speaker 5: all of them.
Speaker 1: And that was what he used to be. He's not
Speaker 1: that anymore. He's part of it. But he's still got
Speaker 1: like three stones. Yeah, he's got like three of the
Speaker 1: five reality times.
Speaker 5: So yeah, time starting us float away from him a
Speaker 5: little bit, right, You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's still got still got. I love TJ.
Speaker 5: Bass by the way I thought he's He's He's about
Speaker 5: as good of a backup guard as you're going to
Speaker 5: get from an undrafted free agent, from a guy like
Speaker 5: that who isn't going to be expected to do anything
Speaker 5: until maybe even his second contract, hopefully knock on Wood
Speaker 5: his second contract. Maybe at that point he moves into
Speaker 5: the starting role and he's good to go. I feel
Speaker 5: very confident with TJ.
Speaker 1: Bass. That doesn't mean I don't want Zach Martin. You
Speaker 1: want Zach Martine.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the opposite side of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: Though we talked about Mozzie Smith a little bit there,
Speaker 5: All of a sudden the defensive tackle room is looking
Speaker 5: mighty mighty fin They go out and they get Carlos Watkins.
Speaker 5: They signed him yesterday. That was right after we got
Speaker 5: off the air and that news came down. Jordan Phillips
Speaker 5: to ir Watkins poached off of the practice squad. As
Speaker 5: Patrick you alluded to a moment ago. He's kind of
Speaker 5: a tweeter. He's not in a true one tech three tech.
Speaker 5: He's more of an in between a three and a five.
Speaker 5: He's a guy who can play the edge. A lot
Speaker 5: of Washington used him that way, Atlanta used them that way,
Speaker 5: even Dallas in the second year that he was what
Speaker 5: the Cowboys did, and just seeing him out on the
Speaker 5: practice field yesterday, he looks slim for a defensive tackle.
Speaker 5: If Mozzie Smith is out for a significant portion of time,
Speaker 5: and we do not have news right now on Mozzie Smith,
Speaker 5: Hopefully when we talked to coach here in about an
Speaker 5: hour we'll know a little bit more. But if Mozzie
Speaker 5: Smith's out for a significant amount of time, is this
Speaker 5: defensive tackle room all of a sudden priority numero uno
Speaker 5: or or panic button time in that room?
Speaker 1: I I don't want to be disrespectful but you do
Speaker 1: want to be honest. I'm always honest.
Speaker 6: I have to say the same, save what your chest
Speaker 6: for tomorrow and actually have a surprise for you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That's scary, is it kool aid? From the no.
Speaker 6: From from the depth perspective, yes, it is almost time
Speaker 6: to sound the alarm. From the effectiveness side of that room,
Speaker 6: I think that I've pulled the cover off and my
Speaker 6: hand is hovering because what I saw on film last
Speaker 6: week from that unit was hm, hmm, underwhelming. It's probably
Speaker 6: the most respectable. That's pleasant. Yeah, that was probably it's
Speaker 6: probably underwhelming. I'm not I'm not ready to again. My
Speaker 6: hand is not on the button, but it's hovering. And hm,
Speaker 6: it wasn't what you saw against Cleveland. But you know,
Speaker 6: you have to take Cleveland almost with the grain of salt.
Speaker 6: You know. I was excited. They're impactful. We had a
Speaker 6: lot of pressures. But then you have to think about
Speaker 6: the fact that you're playing against backup tackles, so that's
Speaker 6: something to take into consideration. I'm not taking away all
Speaker 6: the value, but I have to take away some of
Speaker 6: the value because that's not their dudes, right, They're not
Speaker 6: their main guy. So then you look at a unit
Speaker 6: that has their dudes and all of a sudden you're
Speaker 6: still made it. And not only are you still made it,
Speaker 6: but you're you're working backwards. The defensive line was getting
Speaker 6: moved backwards. There was times where you could pause the
Speaker 6: film and D linemen were eight yards back.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: There was times where you could pause the film and
Speaker 6: D linemen were getting thrown physically on the ground, like
Speaker 6: thrown on the ground. Like I'm talking Jazzy Jeff if
Speaker 6: you were in Take Fresh, Prince of bel Air and
Speaker 6: Jazzy Jeff Miday are getting tossed out by Uncle Phil,
Speaker 6: literally getting.
Speaker 1: Thrown on the ground.
Speaker 6: There was times where linebackers were turned the opposite direction
Speaker 6: and eyes are to the sideline looking at it.
Speaker 1: I don't even know who you know. So it was.
Speaker 6: It was just this hardening last week to see the
Speaker 6: ineffectiveness of this defensive line. So in terms of depth
Speaker 6: of Mazzi's not there, Yeah, it's a depth play, But
Speaker 6: no disrespect to Mazi. I haven't seen him show up
Speaker 6: in a major way yet.
Speaker 1: And know you're not wrong in that assessment. No disrespect
Speaker 1: to Jordan.
Speaker 6: Small sample size to be fair, it's a small sampitize. Okay,
Speaker 6: so let's go to the veterans Lynnville. Joseph my old teammate,
Speaker 6: he did not show up last week. He was him
Speaker 6: Jordan Phillips. All those guys looked like they were see
Speaker 6: walking laterally pushed. They were getting pushed, and I think
Speaker 6: if they watched the film, they will say the same thing.
Speaker 1: I have no problem.
Speaker 6: Everything I say on here, I will say it directly
Speaker 6: to their face because it's what I see on film.
Speaker 6: There's times where you should never see d linman's feet
Speaker 6: crossing over and look like they were doing karaokes. And
Speaker 6: as a defensive interior defensive lineman, your feet can never
Speaker 6: be in a situation where you're now doing karaokes because
Speaker 6: another three hundred pounds man. And most of the time
Speaker 6: as an interior defensivelignment, there's gonna be six hundred pounds
Speaker 6: on you versus just a three hundred pounds because they're
Speaker 6: usually combo box and duce blocks, so their work together
Speaker 6: half a man, each guy working to push you over,
Speaker 6: and if you're growing sideways, they're throwing you across and
Speaker 6: they're working up to now Maris Lee of Howe, and
Speaker 6: you know what I say, and it's just it's just
Speaker 6: unrealistic to ask your Now, we're doing featuring linebackers to
Speaker 6: be able to take on that assignment.
Speaker 5: What do you attribute that to? Is it a lack
Speaker 5: of effort? Is it a lack of execution? I mean
Speaker 5: a little bit of everything, properly.
Speaker 6: It's not effort. These guys are trying. And that's why
Speaker 6: that's why.
Speaker 1: I'll never attack a man's effort.
Speaker 5: It's execution, and that is that an execution that lacks
Speaker 5: because of the understanding or a lack thereof of the scheme.
Speaker 1: For me, it was it was gap discipline. For me,
Speaker 1: it was gap disciplined.
Speaker 6: There was times where you watch this defensive line versus
Speaker 6: the Saints offensive line and literally, right, if you imagine
Speaker 6: that you're lined up on a center, okay, and you're
Speaker 6: playing the ones right, so you're you're half a man,
Speaker 6: say to the right, right to the right of the
Speaker 6: of the offensive of center, and all of a sudden
Speaker 6: you're half a body across right. You have the advantage
Speaker 6: and they were deal getting reached by that center. Reach
Speaker 6: when I say reach for those that don't understand, if
Speaker 6: the center is going to your right and you're already
Speaker 6: half a man to the right. You have the head start.
Speaker 6: There's no way that the center should be able to
Speaker 6: now out leverage you to that same side and wall
Speaker 6: you off. That happened over and over and over again.
Speaker 6: And you can go back, and everybody who's listening has
Speaker 6: the ability to go on Next Gen and watch it,
Speaker 6: or have the ability to go on NFL pro' if
Speaker 6: y'all have an NFL Plus account, you have the ability
Speaker 6: to watch film. If y'all didn't know that, So go
Speaker 6: watch the film and you can literally pause it. And
Speaker 6: there's times where the d line has now shifted over
Speaker 6: six yards in one direction or another, and you could
Speaker 6: literally just draw a line and say, I have now
Speaker 6: put this entire defense in a box right, and now
Speaker 6: I'm expecting my safety to come downhill and make the play.
Speaker 6: But guess what, last week they were out leveraged there too,
Speaker 6: because there was receivers that were coming in cracking on
Speaker 6: the safeties.
Speaker 7: And now you're relying on Trayvon Diggs to make the
Speaker 7: tech come on. Now you're running directly at him.
Speaker 6: That's why I'm saying you can't. This is not a dance.
Speaker 6: This is not dance with the stars where you can
Speaker 6: go sideways. This particular defense that Coach Zimmer has installed,
Speaker 6: you have to have d linemen that a either go
Speaker 6: vertical and go north from their direction and they push
Speaker 6: the guys back across the line of scrimmage, or you
Speaker 6: hold the fort and you don't get moved at all.
Speaker 6: And that's why we spend so much time talking about
Speaker 6: the interior Divs alignment on this particular show, because that
Speaker 6: is literally the assignment. You either move them backwards, demand
Speaker 6: that is really three fastest, move them backwards, demand a
Speaker 6: double team, or don't go anywhere at all. And as
Speaker 6: we talk about the Baltimore Ravens, is it's a great
Speaker 6: it's a great comparison because that's what their guys do.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah it is.
Speaker 5: It's frustrating when you see guys moving backwards and you
Speaker 5: see this lack of gap discipline. But it's all got
Speaker 5: to be rooted from somewhere. And that's where I have
Speaker 5: the biggest question mark. Is it a lack of understanding
Speaker 5: with the scheme. I agree with you, guys, I don't
Speaker 5: think it's effort. These guys are all playing and they
Speaker 5: know what it takes to be in the NFL. They're
Speaker 5: not just out there like collecting paychecks, Like that's not
Speaker 5: how this works.
Speaker 1: Either that or it's the.
Speaker 5: Not for long league and you're not going to get
Speaker 5: another opportunity and you'll get blacklisted.
Speaker 1: Before you even know it. So I don't think it
Speaker 1: is an effort or a lack thereof from these guys.
Speaker 5: But there's something leading to that inefficiency and gap discipline.
Speaker 5: There's something leading to the getting pushed back five to
Speaker 5: ten yards downfield, And it might just be as simple
Speaker 5: as a lack of talent, and it might be it
Speaker 5: may be a lack of talent in that room, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: and that's kind of what you're having to deal.
Speaker 7: And do you think that's because of the priority at
Speaker 7: defensive tackle or just defensive line in general, where it's
Speaker 7: like you've drafted really good guys there. Obviously you have Micah,
Speaker 7: you have DeMarcus Lawrence, obviously guys that you've drafted. Yeah,
Speaker 7: oh so Di Gizua you drafted. But do you think
Speaker 7: that outside of the draft they've made a concerted effort
Speaker 7: to sign talented players at that position. Has it been
Speaker 7: a priority in free agency?
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's up to question.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: Prior to the Mike Zimmer era starting effect of this year,
Speaker 8: it's not been a priority.
Speaker 1: So the answers, no.
Speaker 5: Except for drafting guys high. I mean they drafted second round,
Speaker 5: acquiring from outside of the building.
Speaker 8: God, So as far as free agency acquisitions, it has
Speaker 8: not been a top priority much, you know, much similar
Speaker 8: to how they treated the safety position pre dan Quinn right,
Speaker 8: as far as like they draft and you can get
Speaker 8: serviceable guys like a Jeff Heath or Kevon Frasier, but
Speaker 8: as far as getting high caliber guys like a Malike Hooker.
Speaker 8: That was dan Quinn right, that that's how that worked,
Speaker 8: and that's why. And you can you know, there's rightful
Speaker 8: reasons to to criticize dan Quinn, but we're not getting
Speaker 8: into all that. But speaking positionally, whereas dan Quinn helped
Speaker 8: you realize the value of the safety position, hopefully Zimmer
Speaker 8: is starting to turn that page for them at the
Speaker 8: defensive tackle position. Now, could they have approached it sooner
Speaker 8: in free agency? App so freakingly they could have. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but you have seen that they've tried.
Speaker 9: They've tried.
Speaker 7: Obviously, you you address it with early round picks that
Speaker 7: haven't necessarily worked out.
Speaker 9: Like we talked about Tristan Hill, you talk about mis Smith.
Speaker 1: So far there's been there's been a valiant effort there.
Speaker 5: And I think when they drafted Neville, Gallimore was a
Speaker 5: third round pick. Golden was a third round pick who
Speaker 5: they moved inside. I mean was a third round pick
Speaker 5: from the same draft.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, is a dude.
Speaker 6: Osa is a dude. He's a dog man. I love him,
Speaker 6: and chances are I can get into that.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Yeah, they won't have the bag. They
Speaker 1: won't have the bag.
Speaker 6: They will not have the bag to retain him this year.
Speaker 6: So y'all give hi miss Flowers wise here. Yeahs is
Speaker 6: a dog, but Osa is even though he will still
Speaker 6: be and it has been successful in this scheme and
Speaker 6: through the first two games last week not so much
Speaker 6: week one. Yes, he's not built for this scheme if
Speaker 6: that makes sense, right. That doesn't mean to he can't
Speaker 6: have success in this scheme, but he doesn't fit.
Speaker 9: He's at a disadvantage.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's this scheme is not his thing. Now.
Speaker 6: He can still do the job, they can. He still
Speaker 6: make it happen, but it's not gonna He's not gonna
Speaker 6: be a highlighted guy. In this particular scheme because you're
Speaker 6: asking him to to be the fore just hold the.
Speaker 1: Fort, and that's not his thing, trying to get around
Speaker 1: guy Osa is a tweener. He's a tweener. He's a
Speaker 1: d N slash D tackle.
Speaker 6: He's freaking built like a Decepticon, and and can he's quick. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he's smart, and he's fast, and he's a hard worker.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's he's a really good player. But this scheme, again,
Speaker 6: is built for the big fellas that don't move. I'm
Speaker 6: thinking about the old school. Since we're talking about Baltimore,
Speaker 6: let's go back to old school Baltimore defensive lines.
Speaker 1: Who'd you have in there? You had?
Speaker 6: You had Sam Adams, right, yeah, Tony Sarah Gusa, you
Speaker 6: had all the big fellas that listen. I'm not asking
Speaker 6: this dude to run five yards anywhere. But what I
Speaker 6: am asking you to do is take up both of
Speaker 6: these fellas in the middle for me, so that the
Speaker 6: fellas behind you can he That's what this defense is
Speaker 6: built on. And you don't have those big fellas in
Speaker 6: the middle. Now, since Zimmer's touchdown, what has he done?
Speaker 1: He said?
Speaker 6: Okay, let me watch this. Mozzie Smith cat. Okay, he's
Speaker 6: not ready yet. He's not big enough. Let's just call
Speaker 6: it what it is. Mozzi's not big enough for this game.
Speaker 6: That's that's no, no, no slight on him. We're waiting
Speaker 6: for him to come around as a player, as a professional.
Speaker 6: But while he's coming around and trying to figure himself
Speaker 6: out in this league, he's not big enough in this scheme. Facts, okay,
Speaker 6: has nothing to do with his strength. I was when
Speaker 6: I was playing tight end at the end of my career,
Speaker 6: I was what's your name? Mom? Why not just freaking
Speaker 6: blinking out on my due? Mercedes Lewis used to get
Speaker 6: so frustrated him. He's like, hey, man, you're strong as hell.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like, you're the strongest dude
Speaker 6: in the way. Remove these cats.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm two forty. These guys are three thirty.
Speaker 1: You don't say so.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter at a certain point, it doesn't matter
Speaker 6: what your effort is.
Speaker 1: You're you're you know what I'm.
Speaker 6: Saying, Like, it's you have you have to have to size,
Speaker 6: so size mass at a disadvantage. But Zimmer said, Okay,
Speaker 6: I need some big fellas in there, so let me
Speaker 6: who's out there. Okay, let me pull out hey, scouting department.
Speaker 6: You know will Albert?
Speaker 1: Who can we get right Albert last year weight? Yeah,
Speaker 1: filter my weight exactly right. Right. So he went out
Speaker 1: there and he's trying to address it.
Speaker 6: But you're getting you're getting I don't want to say
Speaker 6: scrap because that sounds disrespectful to the guys that have
Speaker 6: been acquired. But you're not getting the first batch, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. So you're getting a limbo Joseph,
Speaker 6: you're getting the Jordan Phillips. You're getting these guys that
Speaker 6: are at the house chilling, waiting for their opportunity and
Speaker 6: waiting for their proper fit.
Speaker 1: And those guys have now come into building.
Speaker 6: And they're trying to get their feet underneath Them's call
Speaker 6: it what it is, but.
Speaker 7: To me, it harkens back to whenever we signed on
Speaker 7: Terry Poe. It kind of it feels like, yes, that's
Speaker 7: the way.
Speaker 6: It's been that way for the last what three years now,
Speaker 6: the last three years, I think maybe even four years.
Speaker 6: They've gone back and they've tried to grab a D
Speaker 6: Lineman every year, every year, right, they grab a D Lineman.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and he got the bag elsewhere.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, he turned to working out because it
Speaker 8: was the same offer, but he wanted to go.
Speaker 1: He wanted to Hankins. Poe who tours towards squad h
Speaker 1: jerom m Yeah, Jerrel McCoy.
Speaker 6: It's been this way for the last four years where
Speaker 6: it's like, Okay, at that particular position group, we're gonna
Speaker 6: grab who's remaining and you're hoping that they come out.
Speaker 1: Last year it worked out right with Hanks, but you
Speaker 1: had to trade for him. Yeah, yeah, you had to
Speaker 1: trade exactly. That's why I put it out there.
Speaker 8: You you had to trade for Hankins, and it's it's
Speaker 8: one of those two things they traded for Jordan Phillips, right, Yeah,
Speaker 8: but it hasn't worked out because it doesn't always And
Speaker 8: to Isa, the effort is there. Yeah, the effort is there,
Speaker 8: but they're kind of snake bitten at that position. That's
Speaker 8: kind of my thought to the kind of snake bit.
Speaker 5: They've done the work, They've added these guys that we
Speaker 5: just talked about, Gallimore and Goldston and Digg you do
Speaker 5: with Mazi Tristan Hill.
Speaker 1: They've invested time, ef rated picks.
Speaker 5: They have not hit the hit rate all machine the guys,
Speaker 5: but then the two guys that you've hit on are
Speaker 5: Osa and Jonathan Hankins over the last seven years. And
Speaker 5: if that's the case interior, if you're if you're hitting
Speaker 5: back interior defensive line, if you're hitting two of eleven
Speaker 5: or twelve or thirteen or fourteen that category, I mean,
Speaker 5: you're not going to get a second contract in the
Speaker 5: MLB with the Atlanta Braves, right pat Like you're not.
Speaker 1: Doing anything exactly.
Speaker 5: You're getting df a'd at that point, or the Phillies.
Speaker 5: But that's my point is they haven't had the hit
Speaker 5: rate of defensive tackle. You can't say that about any
Speaker 5: other position.
Speaker 1: They've hit at defensive end.
Speaker 5: They corner linebackers, they've hit at corner corners.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, corners. Insane And it has to it has to.
Speaker 7: Something has to give, right, and it has been the
Speaker 7: defensive tackle position, interior defensive line since I.
Speaker 5: Think it's frustrating for Cowboys fans to look at it
Speaker 5: and say, why can't any of these guys work?
Speaker 1: And by any of these guys, I mean they need
Speaker 1: that big, big guy on the end and don't have it.
Speaker 6: The frustration that you guys are exuding is the same
Speaker 6: frustration that that front office is. It's not like, it's
Speaker 6: not like they're not trying trying, they just have It's
Speaker 6: to be to USA's point, it's got to be infuriating
Speaker 6: to know that you are excelling at scouting this position
Speaker 6: and that position, in this position, in this position, but
Speaker 6: this position.
Speaker 1: Right here, which is right here.
Speaker 8: This is death and this cannot you can't figure this
Speaker 8: one out. So you just know that Will McLay is
Speaker 8: just upstairs just pulling his hair out, like what is
Speaker 8: it about this position? So, yeah, they're as frustrated as
Speaker 8: we are. But I would also say that that kind
Speaker 8: of goes back to being players early in free agency.
Speaker 8: You don't have to be players at every position because
Speaker 8: you don't need to play at every position in the
Speaker 8: first couple of waves in free agency. But if for
Speaker 8: whatever reason, you can't resolve this one position I'm talking
Speaker 8: about defensive tackle with drafting, then that needs to be
Speaker 8: the position that you changed philosophy on and attack it
Speaker 8: in free agency with a whale and free agency and
Speaker 8: just be willing to accept that you're struggling here and
Speaker 8: kind of turn the pride down a little bit and say, okay,
Speaker 8: let's let's attack it this way right, so that that's
Speaker 8: where I feel like the effort could be in prove
Speaker 8: they're frustrated, they are trying.
Speaker 1: We're seeing them try.
Speaker 8: But because you're so snake bitting at defensive tackle with
Speaker 8: the current process, change the process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 5: Isaiah brought up a little bit ago the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 5: and the tradition that they have on defense.
Speaker 1: Is that tradition still there.
Speaker 5: With the new defensive coordinator, Zach Orr coming to town,
Speaker 5: we'll talk about his impact and we'll give you a
Speaker 5: little QB vision scouting the Baltimore Ravens defense in their
Speaker 5: matchup with the Cowboys offense when we come back right
Speaker 5: after this with more talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 5: I love it all, right, Isaiah stand back. You took
Speaker 5: a couple of days off. I did, went on a
Speaker 5: nice little trip out west. It was a soul searching
Speaker 5: journey just to be able to watch and scout tape
Speaker 5: of this Ravens defense. Dude, tell me how they're a
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Speaker 1: Of why Eddie, Why Eddie put up?
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Speaker 1: Well, everybody, welcome back to talking cowboys. Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1: That sounded like me. This defense big game, man, big
Speaker 1: freaking game.
Speaker 9: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated because last.
Speaker 6: Week we laid out right through all the film study
Speaker 6: we do and all the research that we do on
Speaker 6: this in Obviously we can't go out and play the game.
Speaker 6: But what we faced last week was relatively simplistic, right,
Speaker 6: I told you, guys. There were some little bit of
Speaker 6: curveballs they threw in here and there, but you can
Speaker 6: see them.
Speaker 1: You can see the.
Speaker 6: Curveballs, and this offense just did not take advantage of it.
Speaker 6: And there's not going to be too often that you
Speaker 6: face defenses that are relatively simplistic. Right, This defense, even
Speaker 6: more so than last week, is a lineup, let's get
Speaker 6: after it had to head, old school, I'm not scheming
Speaker 6: you up to I'm just more physical than you type
Speaker 6: of defense. These guys you're talking about the new defensive
Speaker 6: coordinator and zach Or, he's getting his feet wet, per se.
Speaker 6: He's not trying to outscheme you. He wants his guys
Speaker 6: to be fully confident and what he's doing, what they're doing,
Speaker 6: and he is fully confident that his guys are better
Speaker 6: than your guys. And when you face an opponent like that,
Speaker 6: they're not going to do a whole lot of scheme.
Speaker 6: They're not going to do a lot of trickery. These
Speaker 6: guys are lining up and hitting you in the mouth.
Speaker 6: And from the perspective of the Baltimore Ravens, this is
Speaker 6: not the Baltimore Ravens defense that we've all come to
Speaker 6: know and love. From the perspective of of of the
Speaker 6: packages that they run and the schemes and all the
Speaker 6: craziness that they do with blitzing all over the place,
Speaker 6: this is not that defense. This defense is, hey, guess
Speaker 6: what we have three hundred and fifty pounders on a
Speaker 6: defensive line, literal three hundred and fifty pounders next to him,
Speaker 6: We're gonna put another three hundred and forty pounder. Those
Speaker 6: two guys are going to demand. Two guys demand, because
Speaker 6: one guy against him, you're gonna get pushed backwards. That's
Speaker 6: literally literally what they do defensive Okay, they got Travis
Speaker 6: Jones and they got Michael Pierce.
Speaker 1: Those two big fellas right there.
Speaker 6: They're literal gargantuans on the defensive line, right like the
Speaker 6: guys that you send to the buffet and you say
Speaker 6: eat up and come over here. Put your hand in
Speaker 6: the ground and put your hand on each shoulder of
Speaker 6: these guys and just hold the fork. The reason why
Speaker 6: I want you guys to hold the force because we
Speaker 6: got some dogs behind you.
Speaker 1: In roal Kwan Smith YEP, absolutely a literal dog. So
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to go there, but you did. He's
Speaker 1: a dude. Yeah, represent your.
Speaker 6: Squad, go dogs, but not this weekend. I was hesitant
Speaker 6: to say this, but I'm going to say it. The
Speaker 6: way in which Mike Zimmer would like his defense to
Speaker 6: line up in the front seven and play. That's how
Speaker 6: Baltimore plays m like the it is a cutting pace
Speaker 6: even here in twenty twenty four, because I think there's
Speaker 6: been some criticism so twenty twenty four the way he
Speaker 6: wants them to play, Okay.
Speaker 7: Well they're they're allowing the lowest yards per rush in
Speaker 7: the NFL right now, lowest in the league.
Speaker 6: Yep, you know what the yard because it's hard to
Speaker 6: move three hundred and fifty pounds in two spots on
Speaker 6: the defensive front. And then you stand up a Kyle
Speaker 6: Vanoia on the outside, who's going to be running around
Speaker 6: like a madman? Right obvious whether he got the growing
Speaker 6: in the eye, we'll see what happens there. But these
Speaker 6: guys are big on interior defensive line, so it's very
Speaker 6: difficult to get a running game established. Okay, at the
Speaker 6: second level, these guys are physical. They're freaking physical. Second
Speaker 6: and third level. They want to run and hit.
Speaker 5: So I just kind of a side note here. That's
Speaker 5: a byproduct of their new defensive coordinator. It's a tradition
Speaker 5: that Baltimore's had for a long time. But zach Orr,
Speaker 5: I've actually know him pretty well. He was back at
Speaker 5: North Texas. He played at North Texas. He was a
Speaker 5: mean green linebacker best in program history in my opinion,
Speaker 5: outside of me and Joe Green, So he was legitimate
Speaker 5: went to the Ravens. He had that physicality and that
Speaker 5: in his blood.
Speaker 1: Initially went to the Ravens.
Speaker 5: That's all he did was special teams and linebacker play
Speaker 5: and ran sideline the sideline. He got on the coaching
Speaker 5: staff in twenty seventeen special teams linebackers elevated a coaching analyst,
Speaker 5: then an outside linebacker, outside linebackers, inside linebackers. He is
Speaker 5: the physicality that is portrayed on the field with some
Speaker 5: of these guys.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what you see.
Speaker 6: So in terms of the front seven, these guys are
Speaker 6: lineup four down guys. You might see three down linemen
Speaker 6: with a stand up defensive end. Usually Calvanoy is a
Speaker 6: guy who's a stand up and he's a number fifty three.
Speaker 6: But the interior guy is still bringing to He still
Speaker 6: bring backs. Last year he could bring it. So that's
Speaker 6: what the front seven looks like. Big physical, not doing
Speaker 6: a bunch of moving around. We're coming downhill, right. Our
Speaker 6: guys are more manly than your guys. I dare you
Speaker 6: to try to come head up with.
Speaker 8: Us, which is is kind of funny though, because Cowboys
Speaker 8: are going up against a UGA linebacker that's just an
Speaker 8: absolute animal coordinated by me and Green darn.
Speaker 1: Right, North Texas is the boss baby I heard now.
Speaker 8: To that point and to Josh's point as well, this
Speaker 8: is a Ravens defense that they're old school. They won't
Speaker 8: to stop the run, and they can stop the run,
Speaker 8: and they have been stopping the run, and they will
Speaker 8: continue to stop the.
Speaker 1: Run, especially against a team that has done what struggled
Speaker 1: in running the ball.
Speaker 8: Right, So they're averaging less than fifty yards allowed per
Speaker 8: game on the ground, it's crazy, that is insanity. They
Speaker 8: won't continue, but because have to believe the losses. But
Speaker 8: that's stick right, But they're getting it done. But here's
Speaker 8: where you attack them. Okay, the Cowboys passing attack. This
Speaker 8: is the game to get going. This is the game
Speaker 8: to get going. So while they are first in the
Speaker 8: league and rushing yards allowed only forty nine and a half,
Speaker 8: just under fifty or they are thirty second last in
Speaker 8: the league in passing yards per game allowed with just
Speaker 8: under two hundred and sixty, they're not great on third
Speaker 8: down a little less than forty percent. They're ranked twentieth
Speaker 8: in the league and in the red zone fifty fifty
Speaker 8: percent of the time. When you get in the red zone,
Speaker 8: you can score against this team. And what have the
Speaker 8: Cowboys been struggling in through the first two games offensively
Speaker 8: red zone percentage? Right, So don't This isn't necessarily the
Speaker 8: game where you have to try to establish the run.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say it right now. They want to give
Speaker 8: you the pass, I'm gonna take the I'm gonna say
Speaker 8: a band in the run. Yeah again, wait, wait, never,
Speaker 8: this is a I guess this change. I know I
Speaker 8: missed the.
Speaker 1: Offense for the Baltimore this week. I know we did
Speaker 1: that yesterday helping more into your life.
Speaker 6: Baltimore's Baltimore is gonna run the ball forty times. Baltimore
Speaker 6: is going to run the ball forty times. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: tell you all that right now. Okay, forty attempts Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6: You'd be lucky to see him put the ball in
Speaker 6: the air. Okay, So they're gonna run the ball between
Speaker 6: him and Derek Hill.
Speaker 1: We have the plan for Lamar. Yeah, check out, we
Speaker 1: got his episode. Yeah check out.
Speaker 9: Yes, we solved it.
Speaker 1: But to your point, how do you now beat them.
Speaker 6: Okay, You're I'm not saying that you can't beat them
Speaker 6: on the ground in the run game, but I'm saying
Speaker 6: it's not likely.
Speaker 1: It's not exactly is that my soft spot is right there.
Speaker 6: If I'm fighting, if I'm fighting Mike Tyson, I'm running
Speaker 6: around for six rounds and then then I'll fight. Then
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tire them out first.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that's the same approach you have to take here.
Speaker 6: But to your point, you can beat these guys in
Speaker 6: the past game, and their past defense is that is
Speaker 6: probably the most basic that I've seen, because they're so
Speaker 6: confident in what they do. Front seven wise, they are
Speaker 6: running cover two, they're running cover three.
Speaker 1: And that's about it. Like literally, that's about it.
Speaker 6: When they get in man to man, they get torch
Speaker 6: and they sprinkle it in there, just to say that
Speaker 6: they're sprinkling it in there. But every single time they
Speaker 6: go a manda man they get beat one on one.
Speaker 6: None of their guys are good enough to cover man
Speaker 6: to man.
Speaker 7: To me, that says big opportunity for Brandon Cooks absolutely
Speaker 7: to get on it, you know what I mean, to
Speaker 7: build the confidence and finally get on that second receiver.
Speaker 6: Yes to your point, Bill, right, I think I think
Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks has a chance. But because of these guys
Speaker 6: want to run a two high show. Okay, then, and
Speaker 6: for a team, understand this. If you want to stop
Speaker 6: the run, do you go single high or two safeties?
Speaker 6: Tell me you don't really go single high because you
Speaker 6: go the extra safety in the right. You want eight
Speaker 6: guys in a box. These guys run a two high
Speaker 6: show all game, and they're the best in the league.
Speaker 6: Is stoping the run y they're comfortable doing so. They're
Speaker 6: fully confident in stopping the run with their front seven.
Speaker 6: So that means that they have an extra safety over
Speaker 6: the top so that they can try to keep all
Speaker 6: passes where in front of them right, So they run
Speaker 6: a lot of cover two. And the way in which
Speaker 6: you beat cover two is by getting to that second level.
Speaker 6: If you can get behind the lineback, which means that
Speaker 6: you're now twelve to fourteen yards down the field. Now
Speaker 6: you can torch them because now those over routes that
Speaker 6: you like to see Ceedee Lamb running all the time, those.
Speaker 1: Are gonna be open if you have the time to
Speaker 1: throw them.
Speaker 6: All those underneath little stick routes and out routes and
Speaker 6: little option routes by the tight ends.
Speaker 1: Having Jake ferguson back is huge because.
Speaker 6: If you guys have any questions, go back and look
Speaker 6: at what Brock Bowers did last week for the Las
Speaker 6: Vegas Raiders. This dude had nine catches ninety eight yards.
Speaker 6: I think it was no touchdowns. But he balled out
Speaker 6: against those guys as well. Why because they try to
Speaker 6: stay too high shell and they try to man him
Speaker 6: up underneath with a linebacker and they don't have the
Speaker 6: personnel coverage wise to take that assignment on head to head.
Speaker 6: So you have gaps in the cover. Two, you have
Speaker 6: gaps in the cover. Three if they go man, the
Speaker 6: man is tostitos plaszta all day long. Okay, they are
Speaker 6: unable to do that. Now, are they competitive on the
Speaker 6: back end. Absolutely, they're gonna be in the play They're
Speaker 6: gonna be.
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton is one of the best safeties in football. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Now he will hit your chest cavity out of the
Speaker 6: south side of your body. Now, all these guys, the whole.
Speaker 9: Defense is physical concave against this too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely freaking ay.
Speaker 6: So it's concerning to me Dallas's history against physical teams.
Speaker 1: That's that is a concern of mine.
Speaker 6: However, I am relatively confident in Dallas's ability to protect
Speaker 6: up front versus a team that doesn't possess a lot of.
Speaker 1: Past rushers per se.
Speaker 6: These guys are more just yeah, big boys, We're gonna
Speaker 6: push you from the inside, and then if you if
Speaker 6: you sit back in the pocket too long, eventually we're
Speaker 6: gonna get you and there we'll get there. Event When
Speaker 6: they do blitz, it's usually one linebacker. They're bringing one guy.
Speaker 6: They're not going to expose themselves to being susceptible to
Speaker 6: a big play because they decided to blitz.
Speaker 9: Sot the blitz.
Speaker 1: He's amazing against the blitz.
Speaker 6: Pressure, but it's pressure, but it's not pressure, right. So
Speaker 6: if they're bringing four linemen up front and they're bringing
Speaker 6: one additional line you have five offensive linemen, it's not
Speaker 6: really pressure, right as long as everybody does their assignment.
Speaker 6: The problem is the problem is it's hard to single up.
Speaker 6: And this is where Tyler Smith and Zach Martin are
Speaker 6: gonna have that heck of a day along with Cooper Bebe.
Speaker 6: Those guys are gonna have to hold down the ford
Speaker 6: on the inside can't get pushed back. They cannot get pushbackwards,
Speaker 6: because that's gonna need the ability to sit back confidently
Speaker 6: and deliver the ball around that again, that twelve to
Speaker 6: fifteen yard mark behind those linebackers to find those gaps
Speaker 6: in their coverage. They're not gonna place man and man
Speaker 6: against CD or be Cooks. They'll get Torch. Jake Ferguson,
Speaker 6: if he's healthy, will have a day. So they're gonna
Speaker 6: play these two high shelves and you're gonna have to
Speaker 6: work your way down the field, and that's tough to
Speaker 6: do when you don't have a running game that's effective
Speaker 6: if you don't get into good down and distant situations
Speaker 6: where you're now able to be you know, third and three,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, or second and sixth, some
Speaker 6: situations like that, then all of a sudden they're forcing
Speaker 6: you to pass and now they can drop guys out.
Speaker 6: Now they have you know, seven eight defenders playing coverage
Speaker 6: and you have to try to find a hole in
Speaker 6: his own. They make it difficult on you that regard.
Speaker 6: But I do think that Dallas, if they can find themselves,
Speaker 6: just be impatient and just working down the field, they'll
Speaker 6: be okay, but just know you're gonna get hid.
Speaker 9: In the mouth, absolutely, and you have to be a
Speaker 9: little careful to Tyler.
Speaker 7: Guy needs to make a big step going into this
Speaker 7: Going into this game.
Speaker 9: He leads the league in pressures right now.
Speaker 7: Uh, and you just have o'daffy away on the other
Speaker 7: side on the on the edge there that might give
Speaker 7: him some issues.
Speaker 9: Graded as a ninety overall pff.
Speaker 8: And a half already, Like I said, saying though they
Speaker 8: played brick Wall up front, right, they don't. They don't
Speaker 8: have well who has not many has a Mike have
Speaker 8: a Michael Parsons level kind of guy. But they don't
Speaker 8: have the twitch pass rushers coming off. So I mean,
Speaker 8: they're not getting back there with you know, prime delivery.
Speaker 8: It's physicality.
Speaker 1: We're not. No, they're they're sending it you know via
Speaker 1: pony Express.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's pony Express. If you wait there long enough,
Speaker 8: they're gonna This is a team that it ain't coming
Speaker 8: overnight next to the.
Speaker 1: Next to the forty nine or same day.
Speaker 6: This team, to me, this team, to me is the
Speaker 6: uh probably the only other team in the league that
Speaker 6: I would say is the team that says this what
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Speaker 5: Cowboys offensive preview versus the opponent defensive preview, as we
Speaker 5: do every Thursday. We've got plenty of science QB vision.
Speaker 5: Rodriguez z own, I don't even know. We got to find
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Speaker 1: It's is gonna be my segment. That's the extra disease
Speaker 1: that I need. All right, final thoughts on this matchup.
Speaker 5: You talked about a team that would want to go
Speaker 5: up in an alley way and fight whoever who wants
Speaker 5: to smoke against the rest of the league.
Speaker 1: The other thirty teams in the league.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I mean again going back to the San
Speaker 6: Francisco forty nine ers that we faced in regular season
Speaker 6: and the playoffs, that physicality, that confidence that they have. Again,
Speaker 6: when you have a team that's like, you know what, yeah,
Speaker 6: we're running covered, We're running Cover two, running cover too,
Speaker 6: Like we don't care that, you know, we don't care.
Speaker 6: You know why, because we're more physical. That's their mentality,
Speaker 6: and that's their attitude, that's their swagger that they come with.
Speaker 1: That's defensively.
Speaker 6: I know we're talking about defense, but you're going to
Speaker 6: see it on the offensive side of the ball too.
Speaker 6: They have a solid offensive line and they are very
Speaker 6: confident in their ability to run the ball with speed
Speaker 6: or power with the combination that they have. So physicality
Speaker 6: is going to be the word of the day. And
Speaker 6: you're going to have to I can't say it on air,
Speaker 6: but you're gonna have to up against these guys, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, like like being just real, Like
Speaker 6: you're going to have to buckle your chin strap. They understand.
Speaker 6: I need buckle up, yeah, bug yeah, buckle up yeah,
Speaker 6: buck up up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're gonna need Kendrick said that in an interview.
Speaker 1: That's not what Jordan said. Jordan said the other thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is a game where as we like
Speaker 6: to say, every male sitting out there, you're your manhood's
Speaker 6: going to be tested. Your manho's going to be tested
Speaker 6: in this game because they are going to lick you
Speaker 6: in your eyes and be like bring it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I don't know how that confidence or how my confidence
Speaker 5: would waver in that element based off of that being
Speaker 5: the case, because I agree with you, I think it
Speaker 5: will be a physical, physical bout. But if if that's
Speaker 5: the case, I don't know where my confidence lies in
Speaker 5: the Cowboys to get the job done.
Speaker 1: Because that hasn't been their game.
Speaker 5: When they've been successful, they've done it from a speed,
Speaker 5: a finesse uh an execution attacktic way. Whenever it comes
Speaker 5: to physicality. There's only a couple of games over the
Speaker 5: last couple of years that they have won because of physicality.
Speaker 5: I can point to some of the divisional games with
Speaker 5: Philly that they have won, they've lost some in the
Speaker 5: same bout. They've he's usually exchanged blows. I think the
Speaker 5: Detroit game last year was one where it was physical
Speaker 5: all the way through. I don't I mean, you saw
Speaker 5: what happened in a physical game last week with New Orleans.
Speaker 8: I think I'm going to differ from from Iris. And
Speaker 8: even though I know there are three words that is
Speaker 8: you don't miss with that. I think this is a
Speaker 8: game where number One, yeah, the Ravens are going to
Speaker 8: come with the big with the big glows, the eight ouncers,
Speaker 8: and they want to try to knock the hell out
Speaker 8: of you. But you can beat this Ravens team with finis.
Speaker 8: You can do it from the defensive side of the
Speaker 8: ball because really the only one outside of the offensive line,
Speaker 8: because you got to out physical the offensive line. But
Speaker 8: Derrick Henry, yeah, that that's where you got to bring
Speaker 8: the physicality, and you got to stop him in those
Speaker 8: A and b's kind of forced him where I have
Speaker 8: a question, I agree, but where he gets to the
Speaker 8: line of screen exact. I love Jordan Lewis called him
Speaker 8: the juggernaut because he said, once he gets going, so
Speaker 8: you got to stop here from getting going, right, You
Speaker 8: got to stop him after his first two or three steps,
Speaker 8: because after that it's like, oh man, what do we
Speaker 8: You were just along for the ride at that point.
Speaker 8: But from the offensive side of the ball, Cowboys offense
Speaker 8: versus Raven's defense. They're going to be extremely physical in
Speaker 8: the front seven, but they allow so many passing yards
Speaker 8: and so much effectiveness from the passing game. There's your finesse, like, okay,
Speaker 8: just concede that that's the brick wall. Don't run at it,
Speaker 8: throw over it because you can throw over it. So
Speaker 8: Jake Ferguson coming back, that's going to be huge. Hu
Speaker 8: huge thing you want to do is you want to
Speaker 8: get Rokuan out of the middle of the field, so
Speaker 8: force him to carry Jake right. That takes away that.
Speaker 8: Now you have the quick ends, the slantch and things
Speaker 8: like that, and they match a lot. When it comes
Speaker 8: to Cover two, they play a different variations too.
Speaker 6: It almost looks like a Tampa two, but it's really
Speaker 6: hey two high safeties over the top.
Speaker 1: Our cornerbacks on the.
Speaker 6: Outside have the ability to drift outside of their zone,
Speaker 6: so it makes it look like a Cover four and
Speaker 6: then they're inside. Linebackers are going to match against your
Speaker 6: tight ends like they.
Speaker 1: Literally play man.
Speaker 6: So if you have anything coming underneath them or behind them,
Speaker 6: there's huge holes in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: That as will take advantage. So that's what I mean.
Speaker 8: You can beat that, You can beat that power with
Speaker 8: your finesse, but you better convert when you get the ball.
Speaker 8: There it is, you better cover when you get the
Speaker 8: ball because I'm not sure how many opportunities the office
Speaker 8: is going to have.
Speaker 1: The offense might might have seven series.
Speaker 8: But you're gonna want to You're gonna want to win
Speaker 8: time of position anyway. But it's like like we were
Speaker 8: talking about earlier this week when in time, time of
Speaker 8: position is one part of the battle because but the
Speaker 8: other part of it is how efficient and productive are
Speaker 8: you with your time of position? Because they own time
Speaker 8: of position for the most part against the Saints and
Speaker 8: you got dog walks yep, Okay, So but you still
Speaker 8: need to focus on winning top against a guy like
Speaker 8: Lamar Jackson because you need him on the sidelines as
Speaker 8: often as possible, and.
Speaker 7: You want to score early and often because you don't
Speaker 7: want to give them the opportunity to run the ball.
Speaker 9: You want to make them pass and you.
Speaker 8: Want and what that does is it creates this butterfly
Speaker 8: effect where later in the game, because these guys are powerful,
Speaker 8: they're physical.
Speaker 1: What that means they we're down.
Speaker 8: Faster, right, So like Isaiah said, with Mike Tyson, one
Speaker 8: of the keys to beating Mike Tyson was not.
Speaker 1: To go toe to toe with him. You had to
Speaker 1: tire him.
Speaker 8: You had to take him to a ten rounds, eleven rounds,
Speaker 8: twelve rounds, and then the punches have less effectiveness. He's
Speaker 8: he's gassed, he's breathing hard. So that's how you have
Speaker 8: to treat the Ravens. You get up on him quick
Speaker 8: and then you just start dancing around the ring, which
Speaker 8: is quick jab my quick punch, strike, strikes, striking, then
Speaker 8: like oh god.
Speaker 1: We you know we're tired, and there you go.
Speaker 6: I know, we gotta get out of here. You made
Speaker 6: a statement about I don't know what you said, Jordan
Speaker 6: Lewis or someone that Jordan Lewis calling Derek Henry juggernaut
Speaker 6: and saying that you have to get him down before
Speaker 6: he gets going, before he gets going. Understanding the physicality
Speaker 6: and the ineffectiveness of penetration with our defensive front to date,
Speaker 6: it leads me to believe that Mike Zimmer is now
Speaker 6: planning to do what bring pressure?
Speaker 1: Yep, And if you bring pressure now, my concern is.
Speaker 9: Leverage because then Lamar goes at the end and list.
Speaker 1: As soon as I let's see that clean that up,
Speaker 1: we're back to the spy games. Baby's be honest.
Speaker 8: I know that that Lamar's speed is a different type
Speaker 8: of speed.
Speaker 6: It's a different type of speed. But you're also facing
Speaker 6: a desperate, desperate team often.
Speaker 9: But have never made the playoffs after starting zero and two.
Speaker 6: You're facing a desperate team. You know what, that just
Speaker 6: invested a ton of money at a position that really
Speaker 6: didn't need to be addressed for them.
Speaker 8: But you know what, at the end of the day,
Speaker 8: I would rather if it came to this, and obviously,
Speaker 8: like we talked about, spy him with Michael or spy
Speaker 8: him with overshown, the plan is there. You're going to
Speaker 8: lose some of those to Lamar Jackson, some of those
Speaker 8: runs because his speed is just insane. It's Mike Vick
Speaker 8: level speed. But I would rather allow, not allow wrong word.
Speaker 8: I would rather come back and look at this game
Speaker 8: in hindsight and say, Lamar Jackson ran for one hundred
Speaker 8: and fifty yards in a rushing touchdown and the Cowboys
Speaker 8: won by Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's what I mean.
Speaker 8: It's what you're more likely to win by Lamar Jackson
Speaker 8: having a good day on the ground and a bad
Speaker 8: day in the air, then a good day in the
Speaker 8: air and a bad day on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yes, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's gonna be interesting either way, and it'll be
Speaker 5: a tough matchup.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow.
Speaker 5: We've got some deep dive into what base packages and
Speaker 5: sub packages that Mike Zimmer is gonna utilize to his advantage.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give some examples along the way.
Speaker 5: Something for you to use is kind of a cheat
Speaker 5: sheet going into the weekend of what to watch for
Speaker 5: whenever it comes to the Zimmer defense and some of
Speaker 5: the nuances that differ from Dan Quinn's days here with
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. So we'll talk about that tomorrow and how
Speaker 5: that could affect the Cowboys versus Ravens. Plus we'll give
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