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Speaker 4: Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 5: Welcome in, everybody, as we've got the full cast of

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Speaker 5: crew ready to rock here over the next forty five minutes.

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Speaker 5: Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah standback, Chris.

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Speaker 1: Beamer in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Isaiah, how was

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Speaker 1: trip good?

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Speaker 6: Trip was good? Man, Yeah, it was efficient and got

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Speaker 6: some work in. Now I'm back with my squad.

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Speaker 1: I think you said the most yeah I saw you saw.

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Speaker 1: You said the most overrated or underrated.

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Speaker 6: Team in the NFL was the Saints. Yeah they Yeah,

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Speaker 6: they were. Obviously we spoke about them last week. We

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Speaker 6: felt relatively good about the Dallas Cowboys chances going into

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Speaker 6: that game, uh, barring the fact that they can get

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Speaker 6: to the quarterback right, which did not happen. And then

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Speaker 6: we also felt as if you know, obviously we did

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Speaker 6: this time last week. Literally QB Vision sat up there

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Speaker 6: and talked about how simplistic their defense was. But even

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Speaker 6: though it was super simplistic, Dallas didn't seemly take advantage.

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Speaker 6: So that goes to show you, you know, having a

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Speaker 6: game plan and executing and game plan are two different things.

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Speaker 6: They're not that they were not a challenging team in

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Speaker 6: terms of their defense, but they showed up and put

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Speaker 6: out a better performance than the Cowboys, and they walked away.

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Speaker 7: With w Everyone's got a plan until they get punched

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Speaker 7: in the mouth.

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Speaker 8: And then punched it in and again and then again

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Speaker 8: and again and then four more times. Yeah before you

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Speaker 8: swing back six times? Yeah, first first six swings.

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Speaker 6: All that was last week. Guys, We're on to another week.

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Speaker 6: Turn We're turning the page to an angry team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, with the new defensive COORDINATORRDS.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, maybe that's the title. Yeah, early, I'll

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Speaker 1: write it down. Let's go and get the title and

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Speaker 1: description ready to rock. They will be, they will be.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into some news and notes. Patrick No c.

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Speaker 8: Walker, Cowboys got to be pissed to all right. So

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Speaker 8: injury report, Yeah, injury report came out yesterday. Not not

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Speaker 8: necessarily ideal. First, we'll lead with the fact that Mozzie

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Speaker 8: Smith left practice during the open portion, which was within

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Speaker 8: the first fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: What he did not return run that.

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Speaker 8: Mis Smith, my miz yeah, yeah my Smith fifty eight, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 8: my man. He left practice yesterday with a little bit

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Speaker 8: of a back issue. Missie Smith left practicees today with

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Speaker 8: a back issue. He did not return to practice. So

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Speaker 8: that is absolutely something to watch in a situation where

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Speaker 8: Jordan Phillips broke I broke my back, Mike Iron Michael

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Speaker 8: was at the game, Yes he was on a Sunday,

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Speaker 8: but something to watch in and of itself, but especially

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Speaker 8: when you consider that the Cowboys move Jordan Phillips to IR,

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Speaker 8: he'll miss.

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Speaker 1: At a minimum of four games.

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Speaker 8: You re signed, or I should say, you poach Carlos

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Speaker 8: Watkins from the Commanders, So it's the return for Carlos Watkins.

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Speaker 8: But all of that is to say that they're defensive

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Speaker 8: tackle issues going on right now leading into the Ravens game.

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Speaker 8: So we'll see if Mozzie Smith can do any work

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Speaker 8: on today, being Thursday. Let's see Brandon Cook's rest to day.

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Speaker 8: Trayvon Diggs, he was a headline along with Ceedee Lamb.

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Speaker 8: They both did not participate in practice yesterday with a

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Speaker 7: So yeah, there's nothing to get concerned about unless it's

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Speaker 8: Treat it like a like a veteran rest day. But

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Speaker 8: per NFL rules, if it is injury related, and even

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Speaker 8: But I'm told there's no concern there. So everybody step

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Speaker 8: And while you're stepping away from the panic button, stepped

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Speaker 8: Is yes, his needle is pointing in the right direction.

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Speaker 8: As far as Sunday against the Ravens, Let's see Whenlee

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Speaker 8: And that's really those are the big things. And John

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Speaker 8: chance of making his NFL debut. So not only could

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Speaker 8: So yeah, but just to reiterate, Mozzie Smith, keep an

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Speaker 9: No concern likely for the tight end room.

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Speaker 1: I like it, just like the Raven suit. What you did? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I suit you. I didn't like what you did there,

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Speaker 1: but I suit you did.

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Speaker 9: I liked it.

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Speaker 1: You liked it. It was pretty likely you like the Uh.

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Speaker 1: So you said no concern for CD.

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Speaker 5: That was the first name that popped up for me

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Speaker 5: when DNP and it's like, oh my gosh, what is happening?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Even Zach Martin was out there and

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Speaker 1: then he was listed as a limited.

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Speaker 8: Right he was limited, but he wasn't. It was like

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Speaker 8: an imp which is not injury related for those that

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Speaker 8: no matter what. But again, per NFL rules, if it's

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Speaker 8: anything wrong with the player physically, half to list it,

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Speaker 1: But he's he's fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sleep deprivation, Yeah, definitely take that. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 8: But the deprivation, Yeah, he can't hit his rim cycle

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Speaker 8: to save his life. But no, we spoke with Ceede

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Speaker 8: Lamb right, he's focused. And there's no indication whatsoever that

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Speaker 5: So that was the scariest part by far, and looking

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Speaker 5: of things, it was very similar for the Ravens. I mean,

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Speaker 5: had Kyle van Noy, Uh. I mean there's a couple

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, we got six d MPs for the Ravens. We

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Speaker 8: their guard. We got Jayalen Lamore Davis. He did not

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Speaker 8: Mark Davis was a personal issue. But Cal Hamilton is

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Speaker 8: dealing with a back issue. Okay, so there's that. You

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Speaker 8: was full Ronnie Stanley tackle. Obviously ankle did not participate,

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Speaker 8: So a little bit of a protection issue there. But

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Speaker 8: to be frank with you, speaking subjectively, didn't Figger have

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Speaker 8: a back issue? And yeah, and it didn't matter whatsoever,

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Speaker 8: who knows, man, We can't. Cal van Noy, he did

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Speaker 8: not practice with an eye and a groin injury, which

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Speaker 8: is an odd combination. I am growing. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 8: rough man dealing with a groin issue and you get poked.

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Speaker 9: Give a quick one of these.

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Speaker 8: So then Nate wiggansqution with Nick and he's a concussion.

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Speaker 1: Protocol there, you know.

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Speaker 5: So there's the injury report between the two teams, and

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Speaker 5: hopefully the Cowboys get both Zach Martin fully healthy and

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Speaker 5: of course you've got Jake Ferguson and John Stevens as

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Speaker 1: Continues to show a little bit extra depth.

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Speaker 8: So somebody on Twitter replied to my injury report dropped

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Speaker 8: just being pulled out his regress.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Zach, we're talking about I saw the Zach Martin.

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Speaker 9: I saw the same tweet.

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Speaker 1: They were like, he's regress. If you benched that Martin.

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Speaker 5: No, honestly, if you want to say he has regressed

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Speaker 5: since twenty twenty two, that's fair, but he is still

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Speaker 5: his His eighty percent of twenty twenty two is still

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Speaker 5: thirty percent better than anybody else still in all pro Yeah,

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Speaker 5: let's get it twist famous and if you watch the film,

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Speaker 5: there are times where he gets beat. It's plain and simple,

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Speaker 5: But he used to be impenetrable he used to be

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Speaker 5: Thanos the second time we've made a Fanos reference in

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Speaker 5: the last two days. But he used to be that

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Speaker 1: And that was what he used to be. He's not

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Speaker 1: that anymore. He's part of it. But he's still got

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Speaker 1: like three stones. Yeah, he's got like three of the

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Speaker 5: So yeah, time starting us float away from him a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's still got still got. I love TJ.

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Speaker 5: Bass by the way I thought he's He's He's about

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Speaker 5: as good of a backup guard as you're going to

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Speaker 5: his second contract. Maybe at that point he moves into

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Speaker 1: Bass. That doesn't mean I don't want Zach Martin. You

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Speaker 1: want Zach Martine.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the opposite side of the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 5: Though we talked about Mozzie Smith a little bit there,

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Speaker 5: All of a sudden the defensive tackle room is looking

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Speaker 5: mighty mighty fin They go out and they get Carlos Watkins.

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Speaker 5: They signed him yesterday. That was right after we got

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Speaker 5: to ir Watkins poached off of the practice squad. As

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Speaker 5: Patrick you alluded to a moment ago. He's kind of

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Speaker 5: a tweeter. He's not in a true one tech three tech.

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Speaker 5: of Washington used him that way, Atlanta used them that way,

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Speaker 1: I I don't want to be disrespectful but you do

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Speaker 6: I have to say the same, save what your chest

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Speaker 1: That's scary, is it kool aid? From the no.

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Speaker 6: From from the depth perspective, yes, it is almost time

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Speaker 6: it wasn't what you saw against Cleveland. But you know,

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Speaker 6: still made it. And not only are you still made it,

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Speaker 6: but you're you're working backwards. The defensive line was getting

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Speaker 6: moved backwards. There was times where you could pause the

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Speaker 6: film and D linemen were eight yards back.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 6: There was times where you could pause the film and

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Speaker 6: There was times where linebackers were turned the opposite direction

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Speaker 1: I don't even know who you know. So it was.

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Speaker 6: It was just this hardening last week to see the

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Speaker 6: no disrespect to Mazi. I haven't seen him show up

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Speaker 1: And know you're not wrong in that assessment. No disrespect

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Speaker 6: Small sample size to be fair, it's a small sampitize. Okay,

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Speaker 6: so let's go to the veterans Lynnville. Joseph my old teammate,

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Speaker 6: he did not show up last week. He was him

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Speaker 6: Jordan Phillips. All those guys looked like they were see

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Speaker 6: if they watched the film, they will say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I have no problem.

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Speaker 6: Everything I say on here, I will say it directly

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Speaker 6: There's times where you should never see d linman's feet

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Speaker 6: they're working up to now Maris Lee of Howe, and

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Speaker 6: you know what I say, and it's just it's just

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Speaker 5: What do you attribute that to? Is it a lack

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Speaker 6: It's not effort. These guys are trying. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I'll never attack a man's effort.

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Speaker 5: It's execution, and that is that an execution that lacks

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Speaker 1: For me, it was it was gap discipline. For me,

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Speaker 6: There was times where you watch this defensive line versus

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Speaker 6: and they were deal getting reached by that center. Reach

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Speaker 6: when I say reach for those that don't understand, if

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Speaker 6: There's no way that the center should be able to

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Speaker 6: And you can go back, and everybody who's listening has

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Speaker 6: y'all have an NFL Plus account, you have the ability

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Speaker 6: to watch film. If y'all didn't know that, So go

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Speaker 6: But guess what, last week they were out leveraged there too,

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Speaker 7: And now you're relying on Trayvon Diggs to make the

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Speaker 6: That's why I'm saying you can't. This is not a dance.

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Speaker 6: And that's why we spend so much time talking about

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Speaker 6: that is really three fastest, move them backwards, demand a

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Speaker 6: it's a great comparison because that's what their guys do.

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Speaker 5: It's frustrating when you see guys moving backwards and you

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Speaker 1: Either that or it's the.

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Speaker 1: Before you even know it. So I don't think it

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Speaker 5: But there's something leading to that inefficiency and gap discipline.

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Speaker 7: And do you think that's because of the priority at

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Speaker 7: oh so Di Gizua you drafted. But do you think

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Speaker 7: a priority in free agency?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's up to question.

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Speaker 8: That was dan Quinn right, that that's how that worked,

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Speaker 8: but you have seen that they've tried.

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Speaker 9: They've tried.

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Speaker 9: Like we talked about Tristan Hill, you talk about mis Smith.

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Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, is a dude.

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Speaker 6: Osa is a dude. He's a dog man. I love him,

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Speaker 1: Don't do it. Yeah, they won't have the bag. They

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Speaker 6: They will not have the bag to retain him this year.

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Speaker 6: So y'all give hi miss Flowers wise here. Yeahs is

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Speaker 9: He's at a disadvantage.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's this scheme is not his thing. Now.

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Speaker 6: He can still do the job, they can. He still

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Speaker 6: He's freaking built like a Decepticon, and and can he's quick. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's he's a really good player. But this scheme, again,

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Speaker 1: Who'd you have in there? You had?

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Speaker 6: You had Sam Adams, right, yeah, Tony Sarah Gusa, you

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Speaker 6: these fellas in the middle for me, so that the

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Speaker 6: fellas behind you can he That's what this defense is

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Speaker 6: built on. And you don't have those big fellas in

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Speaker 6: the middle. Now, since Zimmer's touchdown, what has he done?

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Speaker 1: He said?

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Speaker 6: Okay, let me watch this. Mozzie Smith cat. Okay, he's

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Speaker 6: not ready yet. He's not big enough. Let's just call

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Speaker 6: it what it is. Mozzi's not big enough for this game.

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Speaker 6: That's that's no, no, no slight on him. We're waiting

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Speaker 6: for him to come around as a player, as a professional.

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Speaker 6: But while he's coming around and trying to figure himself

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Speaker 6: out in this league, he's not big enough in this scheme. Facts, okay,

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Speaker 6: has nothing to do with his strength. I was when

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Speaker 6: I was playing tight end at the end of my career,

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Speaker 6: I was what's your name? Mom? Why not just freaking

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Speaker 6: blinking out on my due? Mercedes Lewis used to get

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Speaker 6: so frustrated him. He's like, hey, man, you're strong as hell.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like, you're the strongest dude

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Speaker 6: in the way. Remove these cats.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm two forty. These guys are three thirty.

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Speaker 1: You don't say so.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter at a certain point, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 6: what your effort is.

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Speaker 1: You're you're you know what I'm.

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Speaker 6: Saying, Like, it's you have you have to have to size,

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Speaker 6: so size mass at a disadvantage. But Zimmer said, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I need some big fellas in there, so let me

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Speaker 6: who's out there. Okay, let me pull out hey, scouting department.

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Speaker 6: You know will Albert?

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Speaker 1: Who can we get right Albert last year weight? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: filter my weight exactly right. Right. So he went out

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Speaker 1: there and he's trying to address it.

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Speaker 6: But you're getting you're getting I don't want to say

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Speaker 6: scrap because that sounds disrespectful to the guys that have

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Speaker 6: been acquired. But you're not getting the first batch, you

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Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. So you're getting a limbo Joseph,

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Speaker 6: you're getting the Jordan Phillips. You're getting these guys that

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Speaker 6: are at the house chilling, waiting for their opportunity and

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Speaker 6: waiting for their proper fit.

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Speaker 1: And those guys have now come into building.

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Speaker 6: And they're trying to get their feet underneath Them's call

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Speaker 6: it what it is, but.

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Speaker 7: To me, it harkens back to whenever we signed on

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Speaker 7: Terry Poe. It kind of it feels like, yes, that's

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Speaker 7: the way.

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Speaker 6: It's been that way for the last what three years now,

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Speaker 6: the last three years, I think maybe even four years.

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Speaker 6: They've gone back and they've tried to grab a D

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Speaker 6: Lineman every year, every year, right, they grab a D Lineman.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and he got the bag elsewhere.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, he turned to working out because it

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Speaker 8: was the same offer, but he wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to Hankins. Poe who tours towards squad h

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Speaker 1: jerom m Yeah, Jerrel McCoy.

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Speaker 6: It's been this way for the last four years where

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Speaker 6: it's like, Okay, at that particular position group, we're gonna

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Speaker 6: grab who's remaining and you're hoping that they come out.

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Speaker 1: Last year it worked out right with Hanks, but you

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Speaker 1: had to trade for him. Yeah, yeah, you had to

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Speaker 1: trade exactly. That's why I put it out there.

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Speaker 8: You you had to trade for Hankins, and it's it's

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Speaker 8: one of those two things they traded for Jordan Phillips, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: but it hasn't worked out because it doesn't always And

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Speaker 8: to Isa, the effort is there. Yeah, the effort is there,

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Speaker 8: but they're kind of snake bitten at that position. That's

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Speaker 8: kind of my thought to the kind of snake bit.

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Speaker 5: They've done the work, They've added these guys that we

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Speaker 5: just talked about, Gallimore and Goldston and Digg you do

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Speaker 5: with Mazi Tristan Hill.

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Speaker 1: They've invested time, ef rated picks.

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Speaker 5: They have not hit the hit rate all machine the guys,

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Speaker 5: but then the two guys that you've hit on are

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Speaker 5: Osa and Jonathan Hankins over the last seven years. And

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Speaker 5: if that's the case interior, if you're if you're hitting

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Speaker 5: back interior defensive line, if you're hitting two of eleven

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Speaker 5: or twelve or thirteen or fourteen that category, I mean,

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Speaker 5: you're not going to get a second contract in the

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Speaker 5: MLB with the Atlanta Braves, right pat Like you're not.

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Speaker 1: Doing anything exactly.

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Speaker 5: You're getting df a'd at that point, or the Phillies.

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Speaker 5: But that's my point is they haven't had the hit

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Speaker 5: rate of defensive tackle. You can't say that about any

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Speaker 5: other position.

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Speaker 1: They've hit at defensive end.

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Speaker 5: They corner linebackers, they've hit at corner corners.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, corners. Insane And it has to it has to.

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Speaker 7: Something has to give, right, and it has been the

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Speaker 7: defensive tackle position, interior defensive line since I.

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Speaker 5: Think it's frustrating for Cowboys fans to look at it

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Speaker 5: and say, why can't any of these guys work?

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Speaker 1: And by any of these guys, I mean they need

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Speaker 1: that big, big guy on the end and don't have it.

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Speaker 6: The frustration that you guys are exuding is the same

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Speaker 6: frustration that that front office is. It's not like, it's

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Speaker 6: not like they're not trying trying, they just have It's

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Speaker 6: to be to USA's point, it's got to be infuriating

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Speaker 6: to know that you are excelling at scouting this position

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Speaker 6: and that position, in this position, in this position, but

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Speaker 6: this position.

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Speaker 1: Right here, which is right here.

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Speaker 8: This is death and this cannot you can't figure this

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Speaker 8: one out. So you just know that Will McLay is

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Speaker 8: just upstairs just pulling his hair out, like what is

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Speaker 8: it about this position? So, yeah, they're as frustrated as

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Speaker 8: we are. But I would also say that that kind

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Speaker 8: of goes back to being players early in free agency.

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Speaker 8: You don't have to be players at every position because

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Speaker 8: you don't need to play at every position in the

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Speaker 8: first couple of waves in free agency. But if for

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Speaker 8: whatever reason, you can't resolve this one position I'm talking

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Speaker 8: about defensive tackle with drafting, then that needs to be

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Speaker 8: the position that you changed philosophy on and attack it

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Speaker 8: in free agency with a whale and free agency and

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Speaker 8: just be willing to accept that you're struggling here and

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Speaker 8: kind of turn the pride down a little bit and say, okay,

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Speaker 8: let's let's attack it this way right, so that that's

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Speaker 8: where I feel like the effort could be in prove

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Speaker 8: they're frustrated, they are trying.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing them try.

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Speaker 8: But because you're so snake bitting at defensive tackle with

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Speaker 8: the current process, change the process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 5: Isaiah brought up a little bit ago the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 5: and the tradition that they have on defense.

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Speaker 1: Is that tradition still there.

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Speaker 5: With the new defensive coordinator, Zach Orr coming to town,

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Speaker 5: we'll talk about his impact and we'll give you a

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Speaker 5: I love it all, right, Isaiah stand back. You took

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Speaker 5: of this Ravens defense. Dude, tell me how they're a

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Speaker 5: little bit different with a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Of why Eddie, Why Eddie put up?

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Speaker 8: It's time for QB vision with Isaiah's standback.

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Speaker 1: Well, everybody, welcome back to talking cowboys. Oh, here we go.

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Speaker 1: That sounded like me. This defense big game, man, big

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Speaker 1: freaking game.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I'm frustrated because last.

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Speaker 6: Week we laid out right through all the film study

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Speaker 6: we do and all the research that we do on

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Speaker 6: this in Obviously we can't go out and play the game.

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Speaker 6: But what we faced last week was relatively simplistic, right,

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Speaker 6: I told you, guys. There were some little bit of

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Speaker 6: curveballs they threw in here and there, but you can

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Speaker 6: see them.

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Speaker 1: You can see the.

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Speaker 6: Curveballs, and this offense just did not take advantage of it.

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Speaker 6: And there's not going to be too often that you

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Speaker 6: face defenses that are relatively simplistic. Right, This defense, even

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Speaker 6: more so than last week, is a lineup, let's get

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Speaker 6: after it had to head, old school, I'm not scheming

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Speaker 6: you up to I'm just more physical than you type

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Speaker 6: of defense. These guys you're talking about the new defensive

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Speaker 6: coordinator and zach Or, he's getting his feet wet, per se.

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Speaker 6: He's not trying to outscheme you. He wants his guys

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Speaker 6: to be fully confident and what he's doing, what they're doing,

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Speaker 6: and he is fully confident that his guys are better

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Speaker 6: than your guys. And when you face an opponent like that,

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Speaker 6: they're not going to do a whole lot of scheme.

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Speaker 6: They're not going to do a lot of trickery. These

655
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Speaker 6: guys are lining up and hitting you in the mouth.

656
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 6: And from the perspective of the Baltimore Ravens, this is

657
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 6: not the Baltimore Ravens defense that we've all come to

658
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 6: know and love. From the perspective of of of the

659
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 6: packages that they run and the schemes and all the

660
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 6: craziness that they do with blitzing all over the place,

661
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 6: this is not that defense. This defense is, hey, guess

662
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 6: what we have three hundred and fifty pounders on a

663
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 6: defensive line, literal three hundred and fifty pounders next to him,

664
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Speaker 6: We're gonna put another three hundred and forty pounder. Those

665
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 6: two guys are going to demand. Two guys demand, because

666
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 6: one guy against him, you're gonna get pushed backwards. That's

667
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 6: literally literally what they do defensive Okay, they got Travis

668
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 6: Jones and they got Michael Pierce.

669
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Speaker 1: Those two big fellas right there.

670
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Speaker 6: They're literal gargantuans on the defensive line, right like the

671
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 6: guys that you send to the buffet and you say

672
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 6: eat up and come over here. Put your hand in

673
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 6: the ground and put your hand on each shoulder of

674
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 6: these guys and just hold the fork. The reason why

675
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 6: I want you guys to hold the force because we

676
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 6: got some dogs behind you.

677
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: In roal Kwan Smith YEP, absolutely a literal dog. So

678
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Speaker 1: I wasn't going to go there, but you did. He's

679
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: a dude. Yeah, represent your.

680
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 6: Squad, go dogs, but not this weekend. I was hesitant

681
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 6: to say this, but I'm going to say it. The

682
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 6: way in which Mike Zimmer would like his defense to

683
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 6: line up in the front seven and play. That's how

684
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 6: Baltimore plays m like the it is a cutting pace

685
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 6: even here in twenty twenty four, because I think there's

686
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 6: been some criticism so twenty twenty four the way he

687
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 6: wants them to play, Okay.

688
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 7: Well they're they're allowing the lowest yards per rush in

689
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Speaker 7: the NFL right now, lowest in the league.

690
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 6: Yep, you know what the yard because it's hard to

691
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 6: move three hundred and fifty pounds in two spots on

692
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 6: the defensive front. And then you stand up a Kyle

693
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 6: Vanoia on the outside, who's going to be running around

694
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 6: like a madman? Right obvious whether he got the growing

695
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 6: in the eye, we'll see what happens there. But these

696
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 6: guys are big on interior defensive line, so it's very

697
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 6: difficult to get a running game established. Okay, at the

698
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 6: second level, these guys are physical. They're freaking physical. Second

699
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 6: and third level. They want to run and hit.

700
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: So I just kind of a side note here. That's

701
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 5: a byproduct of their new defensive coordinator. It's a tradition

702
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 5: that Baltimore's had for a long time. But zach Orr,

703
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: I've actually know him pretty well. He was back at

704
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: North Texas. He played at North Texas. He was a

705
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 5: mean green linebacker best in program history in my opinion,

706
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 5: outside of me and Joe Green, So he was legitimate

707
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 5: went to the Ravens. He had that physicality and that

708
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 5: in his blood.

709
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Initially went to the Ravens.

710
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Speaker 5: That's all he did was special teams and linebacker play

711
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 5: and ran sideline the sideline. He got on the coaching

712
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 5: staff in twenty seventeen special teams linebackers elevated a coaching analyst,

713
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 5: then an outside linebacker, outside linebackers, inside linebackers. He is

714
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 5: the physicality that is portrayed on the field with some

715
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 5: of these guys.

716
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what you see.

717
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Speaker 6: So in terms of the front seven, these guys are

718
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 6: lineup four down guys. You might see three down linemen

719
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 6: with a stand up defensive end. Usually Calvanoy is a

720
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 6: guy who's a stand up and he's a number fifty three.

721
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 6: But the interior guy is still bringing to He still

722
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 6: bring backs. Last year he could bring it. So that's

723
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 6: what the front seven looks like. Big physical, not doing

724
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 6: a bunch of moving around. We're coming downhill, right. Our

725
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 6: guys are more manly than your guys. I dare you

726
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 6: to try to come head up with.

727
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Speaker 8: Us, which is is kind of funny though, because Cowboys

728
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 8: are going up against a UGA linebacker that's just an

729
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 8: absolute animal coordinated by me and Green darn.

730
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Speaker 1: Right, North Texas is the boss baby I heard now.

731
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Speaker 8: To that point and to Josh's point as well, this

732
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 8: is a Ravens defense that they're old school. They won't

733
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 8: to stop the run, and they can stop the run,

734
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 8: and they have been stopping the run, and they will

735
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Speaker 8: continue to stop the.

736
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Speaker 1: Run, especially against a team that has done what struggled

737
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: in running the ball.

738
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Speaker 8: Right, So they're averaging less than fifty yards allowed per

739
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 8: game on the ground, it's crazy, that is insanity. They

740
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 8: won't continue, but because have to believe the losses. But

741
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 8: that's stick right, But they're getting it done. But here's

742
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 8: where you attack them. Okay, the Cowboys passing attack. This

743
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 8: is the game to get going. This is the game

744
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 8: to get going. So while they are first in the

745
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 8: league and rushing yards allowed only forty nine and a half,

746
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 8: just under fifty or they are thirty second last in

747
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 8: the league in passing yards per game allowed with just

748
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 8: under two hundred and sixty, they're not great on third

749
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 8: down a little less than forty percent. They're ranked twentieth

750
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 8: in the league and in the red zone fifty fifty

751
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 8: percent of the time. When you get in the red zone,

752
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 8: you can score against this team. And what have the

753
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 8: Cowboys been struggling in through the first two games offensively

754
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 8: red zone percentage? Right, So don't This isn't necessarily the

755
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 8: game where you have to try to establish the run.

756
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say it right now. They want to give

757
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 8: you the pass, I'm gonna take the I'm gonna say

758
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 8: a band in the run. Yeah again, wait, wait, never,

759
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 8: this is a I guess this change. I know I

760
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 8: missed the.

761
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Offense for the Baltimore this week. I know we did

762
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: that yesterday helping more into your life.

763
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 6: Baltimore's Baltimore is gonna run the ball forty times. Baltimore

764
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 6: is going to run the ball forty times. I'm gonna

765
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 6: tell you all that right now. Okay, forty attempts Lamar Jackson.

766
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 6: You'd be lucky to see him put the ball in

767
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 6: the air. Okay, So they're gonna run the ball between

768
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 6: him and Derek Hill.

769
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: We have the plan for Lamar. Yeah, check out, we

770
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: got his episode. Yeah check out.

771
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 9: Yes, we solved it.

772
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: But to your point, how do you now beat them.

773
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 6: Okay, You're I'm not saying that you can't beat them

774
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 6: on the ground in the run game, but I'm saying

775
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 6: it's not likely.

776
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: It's not exactly is that my soft spot is right there.

777
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 6: If I'm fighting, if I'm fighting Mike Tyson, I'm running

778
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 6: around for six rounds and then then I'll fight. Then

779
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tire them out first.

780
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: Okay. So that's the same approach you have to take here.

781
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 6: But to your point, you can beat these guys in

782
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 6: the past game, and their past defense is that is

783
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 6: probably the most basic that I've seen, because they're so

784
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 6: confident in what they do. Front seven wise, they are

785
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 6: running cover two, they're running cover three.

786
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: And that's about it. Like literally, that's about it.

787
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 6: When they get in man to man, they get torch

788
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 6: and they sprinkle it in there, just to say that

789
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 6: they're sprinkling it in there. But every single time they

790
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: go a manda man they get beat one on one.

791
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 6: None of their guys are good enough to cover man

792
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 6: to man.

793
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 7: To me, that says big opportunity for Brandon Cooks absolutely

794
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 7: to get on it, you know what I mean, to

795
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 7: build the confidence and finally get on that second receiver.

796
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 6: Yes to your point, Bill, right, I think I think

797
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks has a chance. But because of these guys

798
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 6: want to run a two high show. Okay, then, and

799
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 6: for a team, understand this. If you want to stop

800
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 6: the run, do you go single high or two safeties?

801
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 6: Tell me you don't really go single high because you

802
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: go the extra safety in the right. You want eight

803
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 6: guys in a box. These guys run a two high

804
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 6: show all game, and they're the best in the league.

805
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 6: Is stoping the run y they're comfortable doing so. They're

806
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 6: fully confident in stopping the run with their front seven.

807
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 6: So that means that they have an extra safety over

808
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 6: the top so that they can try to keep all

809
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: passes where in front of them right, So they run

810
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 6: a lot of cover two. And the way in which

811
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 6: you beat cover two is by getting to that second level.

812
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 6: If you can get behind the lineback, which means that

813
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 6: you're now twelve to fourteen yards down the field. Now

814
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 6: you can torch them because now those over routes that

815
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 6: you like to see Ceedee Lamb running all the time, those.

816
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: Are gonna be open if you have the time to

817
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: throw them.

818
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 6: All those underneath little stick routes and out routes and

819
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 6: little option routes by the tight ends.

820
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Having Jake ferguson back is huge because.

821
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 6: If you guys have any questions, go back and look

822
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 6: at what Brock Bowers did last week for the Las

823
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 6: Vegas Raiders. This dude had nine catches ninety eight yards.

824
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 6: I think it was no touchdowns. But he balled out

825
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 6: against those guys as well. Why because they try to

826
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 6: stay too high shell and they try to man him

827
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 6: up underneath with a linebacker and they don't have the

828
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 6: personnel coverage wise to take that assignment on head to head.

829
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 6: So you have gaps in the cover. Two, you have

830
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 6: gaps in the cover. Three if they go man, the

831
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 6: man is tostitos plaszta all day long. Okay, they are

832
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: unable to do that. Now, are they competitive on the

833
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 6: back end. Absolutely, they're gonna be in the play They're

834
00:38:59,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 6: gonna be.

835
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton is one of the best safeties in football. Absolutely.

836
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 6: Now he will hit your chest cavity out of the

837
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 6: south side of your body. Now, all these guys, the whole.

838
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 9: Defense is physical concave against this too.

839
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely freaking ay.

840
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 6: So it's concerning to me Dallas's history against physical teams.

841
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: That's that is a concern of mine.

842
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 6: However, I am relatively confident in Dallas's ability to protect

843
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 6: up front versus a team that doesn't possess a lot of.

844
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Past rushers per se.

845
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 6: These guys are more just yeah, big boys, We're gonna

846
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 6: push you from the inside, and then if you if

847
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 6: you sit back in the pocket too long, eventually we're

848
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 6: gonna get you and there we'll get there. Event When

849
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 6: they do blitz, it's usually one linebacker. They're bringing one guy.

850
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 6: They're not going to expose themselves to being susceptible to

851
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 6: a big play because they decided to blitz.

852
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 9: Sot the blitz.

853
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: He's amazing against the blitz.

854
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 6: Pressure, but it's pressure, but it's not pressure, right. So

855
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 6: if they're bringing four linemen up front and they're bringing

856
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 6: one additional line you have five offensive linemen, it's not

857
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 6: really pressure, right as long as everybody does their assignment.

858
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 6: The problem is the problem is it's hard to single up.

859
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 6: And this is where Tyler Smith and Zach Martin are

860
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 6: gonna have that heck of a day along with Cooper Bebe.

861
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 6: Those guys are gonna have to hold down the ford

862
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 6: on the inside can't get pushed back. They cannot get pushbackwards,

863
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 6: because that's gonna need the ability to sit back confidently

864
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 6: and deliver the ball around that again, that twelve to

865
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 6: fifteen yard mark behind those linebackers to find those gaps

866
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 6: in their coverage. They're not gonna place man and man

867
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 6: against CD or be Cooks. They'll get Torch. Jake Ferguson,

868
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 6: if he's healthy, will have a day. So they're gonna

869
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 6: play these two high shelves and you're gonna have to

870
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 6: work your way down the field, and that's tough to

871
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Speaker 6: do when you don't have a running game that's effective

872
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Speaker 6: if you don't get into good down and distant situations

873
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 6: where you're now able to be you know, third and three,

874
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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, or second and sixth, some

875
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 6: situations like that, then all of a sudden they're forcing

876
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 6: you to pass and now they can drop guys out.

877
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 6: Now they have you know, seven eight defenders playing coverage

878
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Speaker 6: and you have to try to find a hole in

879
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Speaker 6: his own. They make it difficult on you that regard.

880
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 6: But I do think that Dallas, if they can find themselves,

881
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 6: just be impatient and just working down the field, they'll

882
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 6: be okay, but just know you're gonna get hid.

883
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Speaker 9: In the mouth, absolutely, and you have to be a

884
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 9: little careful to Tyler.

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00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 7: Guy needs to make a big step going into this

886
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 7: Going into this game.

887
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 9: He leads the league in pressures right now.

888
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Speaker 7: Uh, and you just have o'daffy away on the other

889
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 7: side on the on the edge there that might give

890
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 7: him some issues.

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00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 9: Graded as a ninety overall pff.

892
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Speaker 8: And a half already, Like I said, saying though they

893
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 8: played brick Wall up front, right, they don't. They don't

894
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Speaker 8: have well who has not many has a Mike have

895
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Speaker 8: a Michael Parsons level kind of guy. But they don't

896
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 8: have the twitch pass rushers coming off. So I mean,

897
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Speaker 8: they're not getting back there with you know, prime delivery.

898
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Speaker 8: It's physicality.

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Speaker 1: We're not. No, they're they're sending it you know via

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Speaker 1: pony Express.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's pony Express. If you wait there long enough,

902
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 8: they're gonna This is a team that it ain't coming

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Speaker 8: overnight next to the.

904
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Speaker 1: Next to the forty nine or same day.

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Speaker 6: This team, to me, this team, to me is the

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Speaker 6: I would say is the team that says this what

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Speaker 5: Rodriguez z own, I don't even know. We got to find

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: that I need. All right, final thoughts on this matchup.

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Speaker 5: You talked about a team that would want to go

971
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 5: up in an alley way and fight whoever who wants

972
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Speaker 5: to smoke against the rest of the league.

973
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: The other thirty teams in the league.

974
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I mean again going back to the San

975
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Speaker 6: Francisco forty nine ers that we faced in regular season

976
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 6: and the playoffs, that physicality, that confidence that they have. Again,

977
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Speaker 6: when you have a team that's like, you know what, yeah,

978
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 6: we're running covered, We're running Cover two, running cover too,

979
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 6: Like we don't care that, you know, we don't care.

980
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 6: You know why, because we're more physical. That's their mentality,

981
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 6: and that's their attitude, that's their swagger that they come with.

982
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: That's defensively.

983
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 6: I know we're talking about defense, but you're going to

984
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 6: see it on the offensive side of the ball too.

985
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 6: They have a solid offensive line and they are very

986
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Speaker 6: confident in their ability to run the ball with speed

987
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Speaker 6: or power with the combination that they have. So physicality

988
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 6: is going to be the word of the day. And

989
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 6: you're going to have to I can't say it on air,

990
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 6: but you're gonna have to up against these guys, you

991
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 6: know what I mean, like like being just real, Like

992
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Speaker 6: you're going to have to buckle your chin strap. They understand.

993
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 6: I need buckle up, yeah, bug yeah, buckle up yeah,

994
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 6: buck up up.

995
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're gonna need Kendrick said that in an interview.

996
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: That's not what Jordan said. Jordan said the other thing.

997
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is a game where as we like

998
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 6: to say, every male sitting out there, you're your manhood's

999
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 6: going to be tested. Your manho's going to be tested

1000
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 6: in this game because they are going to lick you

1001
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 6: in your eyes and be like bring it.

1002
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1003
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 9: Absolutely.

1004
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 5: I don't know how that confidence or how my confidence

1005
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 5: would waver in that element based off of that being

1006
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 5: the case, because I agree with you, I think it

1007
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 5: will be a physical, physical bout. But if if that's

1008
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 5: the case, I don't know where my confidence lies in

1009
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 5: the Cowboys to get the job done.

1010
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: Because that hasn't been their game.

1011
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 5: When they've been successful, they've done it from a speed,

1012
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 5: a finesse uh an execution attacktic way. Whenever it comes

1013
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 5: to physicality. There's only a couple of games over the

1014
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 5: last couple of years that they have won because of physicality.

1015
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 5: I can point to some of the divisional games with

1016
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: Philly that they have won, they've lost some in the

1017
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 5: same bout. They've he's usually exchanged blows. I think the

1018
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 5: Detroit game last year was one where it was physical

1019
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 5: all the way through. I don't I mean, you saw

1020
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Speaker 5: what happened in a physical game last week with New Orleans.

1021
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 8: I think I'm going to differ from from Iris. And

1022
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 8: even though I know there are three words that is

1023
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 8: you don't miss with that. I think this is a

1024
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 8: game where number One, yeah, the Ravens are going to

1025
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 8: come with the big with the big glows, the eight ouncers,

1026
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 8: and they want to try to knock the hell out

1027
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 8: of you. But you can beat this Ravens team with finis.

1028
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 8: You can do it from the defensive side of the

1029
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 8: ball because really the only one outside of the offensive line,

1030
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 8: because you got to out physical the offensive line. But

1031
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 8: Derrick Henry, yeah, that that's where you got to bring

1032
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 8: the physicality, and you got to stop him in those

1033
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 8: A and b's kind of forced him where I have

1034
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 8: a question, I agree, but where he gets to the

1035
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Speaker 8: line of screen exact. I love Jordan Lewis called him

1036
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 8: the juggernaut because he said, once he gets going, so

1037
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 8: you got to stop here from getting going, right, You

1038
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 8: got to stop him after his first two or three steps,

1039
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 8: because after that it's like, oh man, what do we

1040
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 8: You were just along for the ride at that point.

1041
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 8: But from the offensive side of the ball, Cowboys offense

1042
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 8: versus Raven's defense. They're going to be extremely physical in

1043
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 8: the front seven, but they allow so many passing yards

1044
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 8: and so much effectiveness from the passing game. There's your finesse, like, okay,

1045
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 8: just concede that that's the brick wall. Don't run at it,

1046
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 8: throw over it because you can throw over it. So

1047
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 8: Jake Ferguson coming back, that's going to be huge. Hu

1048
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 8: huge thing you want to do is you want to

1049
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 8: get Rokuan out of the middle of the field, so

1050
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 8: force him to carry Jake right. That takes away that.

1051
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 8: Now you have the quick ends, the slantch and things

1052
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 8: like that, and they match a lot. When it comes

1053
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 8: to Cover two, they play a different variations too.

1054
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 6: It almost looks like a Tampa two, but it's really

1055
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 6: hey two high safeties over the top.

1056
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: Our cornerbacks on the.

1057
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 6: Outside have the ability to drift outside of their zone,

1058
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 6: so it makes it look like a Cover four and

1059
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 6: then they're inside. Linebackers are going to match against your

1060
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 6: tight ends like they.

1061
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: Literally play man.

1062
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 6: So if you have anything coming underneath them or behind them,

1063
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 6: there's huge holes in the middle of the field.

1064
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: That as will take advantage. So that's what I mean.

1065
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 8: You can beat that, You can beat that power with

1066
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 8: your finesse, but you better convert when you get the ball.

1067
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 8: There it is, you better cover when you get the

1068
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 8: ball because I'm not sure how many opportunities the office

1069
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 8: is going to have.

1070
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: The offense might might have seven series.

1071
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 8: But you're gonna want to You're gonna want to win

1072
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 8: time of position anyway. But it's like like we were

1073
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 8: talking about earlier this week when in time, time of

1074
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 8: position is one part of the battle because but the

1075
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 8: other part of it is how efficient and productive are

1076
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 8: you with your time of position? Because they own time

1077
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 8: of position for the most part against the Saints and

1078
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 8: you got dog walks yep, Okay, So but you still

1079
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 8: need to focus on winning top against a guy like

1080
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 8: Lamar Jackson because you need him on the sidelines as

1081
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 8: often as possible, and.

1082
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 7: You want to score early and often because you don't

1083
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 7: want to give them the opportunity to run the ball.

1084
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 9: You want to make them pass and you.

1085
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 8: Want and what that does is it creates this butterfly

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Speaker 8: effect where later in the game, because these guys are powerful,

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Speaker 8: they're physical.

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Speaker 1: What that means they we're down.

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Speaker 8: Faster, right, So like Isaiah said, with Mike Tyson, one

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Speaker 8: of the keys to beating Mike Tyson was not.

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Speaker 1: To go toe to toe with him. You had to

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Speaker 1: tire him.

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Speaker 8: You had to take him to a ten rounds, eleven rounds,

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Speaker 8: twelve rounds, and then the punches have less effectiveness. He's

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Speaker 8: he's gassed, he's breathing hard. So that's how you have

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Speaker 8: to treat the Ravens. You get up on him quick

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Speaker 8: and then you just start dancing around the ring, which

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Speaker 8: is quick jab my quick punch, strike, strikes, striking, then

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Speaker 8: like oh god.

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Speaker 1: We you know we're tired, and there you go.

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Speaker 6: I know, we gotta get out of here. You made

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Speaker 6: a statement about I don't know what you said, Jordan

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Speaker 6: Lewis or someone that Jordan Lewis calling Derek Henry juggernaut

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Speaker 6: and saying that you have to get him down before

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Speaker 6: he gets going, before he gets going. Understanding the physicality

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Speaker 6: and the ineffectiveness of penetration with our defensive front to date,

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Speaker 6: it leads me to believe that Mike Zimmer is now

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Speaker 6: planning to do what bring pressure?

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Speaker 1: Yep, And if you bring pressure now, my concern is.

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Speaker 9: Leverage because then Lamar goes at the end and list.

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Speaker 1: As soon as I let's see that clean that up,

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Speaker 1: we're back to the spy games. Baby's be honest.

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Speaker 8: I know that that Lamar's speed is a different type

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Speaker 8: of speed.

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Speaker 6: It's a different type of speed. But you're also facing

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Speaker 6: a desperate, desperate team often.

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Speaker 9: But have never made the playoffs after starting zero and two.

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Speaker 6: You're facing a desperate team. You know what, that just

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Speaker 6: invested a ton of money at a position that really

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Speaker 6: didn't need to be addressed for them.

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Speaker 8: But you know what, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: I would rather if it came to this, and obviously,

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Speaker 8: like we talked about, spy him with Michael or spy

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Speaker 8: him with overshown, the plan is there. You're going to

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Speaker 8: lose some of those to Lamar Jackson, some of those

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Speaker 8: runs because his speed is just insane. It's Mike Vick

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Speaker 8: level speed. But I would rather allow, not allow wrong word.

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Speaker 8: I would rather come back and look at this game

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Speaker 8: in hindsight and say, Lamar Jackson ran for one hundred

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Speaker 8: and fifty yards in a rushing touchdown and the Cowboys

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Speaker 8: won by Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I mean.

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Speaker 8: It's what you're more likely to win by Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 8: having a good day on the ground and a bad

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Speaker 8: day in the air, then a good day in the

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Speaker 8: air and a bad day on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Yes, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's gonna be interesting either way, and it'll be

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Speaker 5: a tough matchup.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: We've got some deep dive into what base packages and

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Speaker 5: sub packages that Mike Zimmer is gonna utilize to his advantage.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give some examples along the way.

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Speaker 5: Something for you to use is kind of a cheat

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Speaker 5: sheet going into the weekend of what to watch for

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Speaker 5: whenever it comes to the Zimmer defense and some of

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Speaker 5: the nuances that differ from Dan Quinn's days here with

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys. So we'll talk about that tomorrow and how

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Speaker 5: that could affect the Cowboys versus Ravens. Plus we'll give

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Speaker 5: our pick'ms be a part of our fan pick them

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Speaker 5: segment eight eight eight, eight, five, five two two nine

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Speaker 5: seven Tomorrow morning, nine am Central Time for Chris Beam,

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Speaker 5: Isaiah stand Back, Josh Rodriguez, Patrick No see Walker on

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Speaker 5: Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys, We'll see

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Speaker 5: you tomorrow.

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