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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot com, the Giants the Giants Podcast. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: most recent edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast. John Smoke

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Speaker 1: with you today's guest, Giants defensive tackle Dalvin Tomlinson. Before

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Speaker 1: we get to Dalvin, one to remind you you can

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Speaker 1: favorite podcast platforms. Now, we're joined by our guest, Dalvin

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Speaker 1: Thomlins and Dalvin good to talk to you, man. How

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm doing great? How about you? Man? We're

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Speaker 1: doing good over here. Man. It's it's it's good to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. Let's start with this a short week,

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Speaker 1: coming off a real tough loss to Tampa Bay. How

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Speaker 1: did the team bounce back quickly to get back onto

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Speaker 1: the field to get ready for Washington. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: we just have a lot of great players on the

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Speaker 1: team that you know, we have the mindset of we

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Speaker 1: never quit. So we just came back. Guy, right back

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Speaker 1: to work and just ground just ground it all week. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is your third head coach now with the Giants.

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Speaker 1: How is it different or some are your film review

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Speaker 1: sessions with Joe Judge and his coaching staff to what

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Speaker 1: you've seen before in the NFL. Um, I just feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, every coach is always different better way coach Judge.

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Speaker 1: I just love the energy he bringing to every meeting

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Speaker 1: and everything like that. And um, you know he's a

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Speaker 1: great guy. He understands every part of the football, you know.

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Speaker 1: And you know he was also at Alabama back in

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Speaker 1: the day, so I gotta love that part, absolutely know

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Speaker 1: that about it. He talks about his his sessions with

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Speaker 1: not going to apologize to holding you guys to a

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Speaker 1: high standard as a player. What does that feel like

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Speaker 1: to you? What does that mean to you? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: love it? Um, you know you always have a coach

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Speaker 1: like who holds you to a high standard and calls

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Speaker 1: you out in front of everybody, no matter how good

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Speaker 1: you are on the field. Um, it just makes you

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Speaker 1: want to work that much harder for that guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: we come come in every day into the building want

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Speaker 1: to ground for him just as much as the player

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Speaker 1: next to you. Now Dalvin. I think some players, or

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Speaker 1: at least I've seen in the past, might take that

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Speaker 1: approach a little bit personally. But you know, Joe Judge

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Speaker 1: talked to the media this week about how he's tried

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Speaker 1: to build a relationship with you guys, So you understand,

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Speaker 1: criticizing your play is not criticizing you as a person.

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Speaker 1: How has he bonded with you guys that's allowed him

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Speaker 1: with you in these film sessions during the week. Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: just throughout the season, throughout the training camp. You know,

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Speaker 1: he always cracked jokes with you and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, ask you personal questions just to get to

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Speaker 1: tells you about himself, like you know, like when he

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Speaker 1: But so you can get to know each other on

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Speaker 1: a more personal level. And um, he just he's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you straight up like he wants to the best

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Speaker 1: a player as well as a man. And um, after

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Speaker 1: you know, you just get to know somebody like that,

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Speaker 1: able to take criticism from him. He's just trying to

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Speaker 1: You know, this is how it is. So when you

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Speaker 1: guys did look at that tape against Tampa, what were

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Speaker 1: you to slow down Tom Brady and a very talented

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Speaker 1: we try to prove that every rep we get. Now,

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Speaker 1: depending on the scheme, obviously you one gap, your two gap.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the fundamentals that they teach you

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Speaker 1: have to make the players that come to you. You know,

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Speaker 1: when Joe Judge hired this coaching staff, Dalvin, he talked

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Speaker 1: about wanting to hire teachers. You've been through a lot

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Speaker 1: considering the lack of offseason reps on field work, that

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Speaker 1: the coaches we got a Coach Graham and Coach Spencers, Like,

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Speaker 1: like even if you do something good, it probably could

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Speaker 1: always room for improvement. That's the mindset we come in with.

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Speaker 1: Every day. You can hear Coach Spencer coaching you guys

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Speaker 1: Coach Spencer, he's gonna he's gonna bring a lot of

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Speaker 1: he gets super sided from that. Coach Graham talked this

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Speaker 1: everyone has to learn every responsibility out there, which allows

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Speaker 1: him to use you guys in different roles and different responsibilities.

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Speaker 1: How has that helped your team able to be multiple

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Speaker 1: so while you're still not doing a bunch of different things,

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Speaker 1: you're able to confuse the offense because different guys can

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Speaker 1: do different things on different plays based on alignment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's super important simply because you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: because we could discuss, Like you said, we could discuss

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Speaker 1: Giants remember f D I C. Do you think you're

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Speaker 1: playing your best football this year? I think I'm getting there.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm wanna say quiet yet, but you

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Speaker 1: know it's it's like I said, as I was a

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Speaker 1: What's it been like working with Dexter and Leonard as

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Speaker 1: And it feels like this defense and not just your group, Dalt,

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Speaker 1: unit here. You are one of the captains. I feel

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Speaker 1: like the whole group has been very assignment sound this year.

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Speaker 1: I mean you've seen it the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: You're a free runners. Sometimes will be a run there's

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Speaker 1: And I understand there's always different players, different coaches. I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to compare to two pass teams. So why

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Speaker 1: Best of luck against Washington on Sunday. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: That's Giants defensive lineman Dalvin Thomason. We thank you for

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