1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Caf I Am six forty. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 3: There will be a ballot measure next year, and that 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 3: ballot measure is to ask you to not raise taxes, 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: but to lower the threshold to raise taxes. 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: All right, So how does this work out? All right? 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: So it's Assembly Constitutional Amendment one. You'll see this referred 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: to as ACA one, all right, And the idea behind 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 3: ACA one is whether or not we take a good 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: look at the threshold for raising taxes in California. If 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: you have a municipality that wants to raise taxes for 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: helping the homeless, or if they want to raise taxes 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: to repair a bridge something of that sort, or they 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: want to raise taxes on hotel stays or something of 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: that sort, you have to have the voters pass those 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: those referendums by what is basically a two thirds majority, 18 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: sixty five percent of the vote. This is pretty high 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: threshold when it comes to schools. Fifty five percent is 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: all it is. So number of people in Sacramento said, well, 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 3: that doesn't seem right, so why don't we just lower 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: that down to fifty five percent? It's still more than 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 3: fifty percent, but it's not it's not nearly as daunting 24 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: to try to get people to pass it as as 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: is currently the case. At sixty five percent is what 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: you have to have. In other words, two out of 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: three households have to approve the tax for it to 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: go into effect. And some cities municipalities are calling foul. 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: The story in the La Times talks about Sounema County. 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: What did it pass a. 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: Sales tax to fight wildfires? That vote got sixty five percent, 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: but it didn't get the two thirds, so it did 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: not pass. And so they said, well, now, now what 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: are we gonna do? Joining me right now is Carl 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: to Mile. You're quite familiar with Carl Mile. I'm quite 36 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: familiar with Carl Miil Carl. Good to talk to you again. 37 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: They're my friend us. 38 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 4: When I heard that you were sitting in you're the 39 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 4: only one. 40 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: So here's the deal. 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: We've got people in Sacramento again saying, well, why don't 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: we make it easier to raise taxes? And I'm going 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: to go out on a limb and say you don't 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: like that. 45 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, this is absurd. California already has the highest 46 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 4: tax burden in the country. Of any state, we have 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: the highest income tax, the highest sales tax, the highest 48 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: gas tax, the highest car attax. Despite Prop thirteen, we 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 4: still pay some of the highest property taxes because our 50 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: homes are assessed so much higher than the rest of 51 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: the country. We have the highest utility taxes. Everything is 52 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: highest in California. And these greedy politicians, whether it's City 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 4: Hall or Sacramento, they say they don't have enough money. 54 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: They want to add burdens to our cost of living 55 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 4: with these higher taxes. And Chris, I gotta say, the 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 4: reason why we have a twoth or vote requirement for 57 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 4: special taxes is number one. We know that taxation can 58 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 4: be an unfair system. It's easy for the majority to say, hey, 59 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 4: we've decided we're only going to tax people with the 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: first name Chris and the last name Meryl. You know, 61 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: they narrow it down saying we're going to tax the 62 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: rich people here, or the soda consumers or the tobacco users. 63 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: We're going to tax all these people, and then we're 64 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: going to use their money for the for the for 65 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: the benefit of of of of the the earmarked people 66 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: that we've decided to benefit from the tax. When you 67 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: have a risk that the majority can target and take 68 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 4: wealth away from select groups. We need to make sure 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: that it's a fair process and that everyone agrees overwhelmingly 70 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: that we need to do it. That's why the two 71 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 4: thirds originally existed. But here's another reason why we have 72 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: two thirds. The politicians lie to us on our ballot. 73 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 4: They have now gotten to the point where they no 74 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 4: longer even tell you what you're voting on. You're not 75 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 4: told that a measure has a tax increase in it. 76 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: Instead it says it's for the children, this is an 77 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: initiative for safe streets and better schools, And it doesn't 78 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: say that there's a tax increase in there, but there 79 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 4: always is a hidden tax increase. So what we did 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: is we said we've got a fixed Prop thirteen. We 81 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 4: have to restore it because the Democrats have used loopholes 82 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: to undermine it over the years. We wanted to get 83 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: a taxpayer protection initiative passed in twenty twenty four, and 84 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 4: we're still dedicated to that. That would basically put Prop 85 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: thirteen back to where it was in nineteen seventy eight, 86 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 4: providing a fair vote on taxes. The two thirds vote requirement. 87 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 4: The Democrats don't want that, which is why they have 88 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 4: both these bills moving forward ACA one and ACA thirteen, 89 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 4: which would gut Prop thirteen and ultimately it will absolutely 90 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: raise your taxes. There's no doubt in my mind. 91 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 3: So, girl, mile I gues You've got a measure that's 92 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 3: going to be on the ballot, but these are going 93 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: to be on the ballot as well. It's is the 94 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: ballot likely to be confusing? 95 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: Uh? 96 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: Is this why? I mean messaging has got to be 97 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: viol and it's always up. 98 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: You nailed it. One of the the ultimate thing that 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: Democrats want to do is they want to defeat the 100 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: California Taxpayer Protection Initiative that we got on the ballot 101 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: through one point four million signatures. It's on in November 102 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. And so what they're trying to do 103 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 4: is have basically a both and strategy. They want to 104 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: both try to lower the threshold for these tax increases 105 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: with ACA one, while at the same time using ACA 106 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 4: thirteen to destroy and defeat our ballot measure. They're trying 107 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: to make it so that our ballot measure requires a 108 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: super majority vote to pass, which means that we would 109 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 4: have to get a two thirds vote to implement our 110 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: provisions that require honest ballot titles be presented to voters. 111 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: And so they're literally putting a poison pill on the ballot. 112 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: But to your even if they don't succeed in passing 113 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 4: their two measures, they're trying to make it so confusing 114 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 4: for voters that they overlook the wonderful initiative that we've 115 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 4: got to restore Prop thirteen to block tax hikes, and 116 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 4: that the voters just say, oh, throw your hands up 117 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 4: in the air, let's vote, go on everything. So what 118 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 4: they're trying to do right now is not only we 119 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 4: can Prop thirteen, but you know, if they can destroy 120 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 4: our measure in the process, they're they're fine with that. 121 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: Carl, Well, you tell me more, tell me this this 122 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: uh an honest ballot title thing. And I'm with you 123 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: because it's so often we get the title that'll be, 124 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: you know, the for the Puppies Act or something like that. Right, 125 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: So how do you how do you guarantee an honest 126 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: title that that's always been a strategy by everybody, regardless 127 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: of political party, is to make the title seem catchy. 128 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 4: So it's very simple. Our initiative requires that if a 129 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: measure contains a tax increase. The words tax increase have 130 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 4: to be in the ballot title. How about simple like that. 131 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: I mean, that's all we're asking for, is if you're 132 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 4: going to put a tax increase before the voters. And 133 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 4: Prop thirteen requires a vote on taxes. Howard Jarvis never 134 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 4: in his wildest dream, the guy who wrote Prop thirteen 135 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy eight, he never imagined that politicians would 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: basically say, all right, we're going to put a tax 137 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: increase on the ballot, but we're not going to tell 138 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 4: people it's a tax increase. We're going to say, hey, 139 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: this is an initiative that would improve the condition of children, 140 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: would fill potholes, Yes or no, They're not going to 141 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 4: tell you it's a tax increase. And so that was 142 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 4: perhaps the one thing that Jarvis was not prepared for. 143 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: That Prop thirteen says it needs to be a public vote, 144 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: but it never said and you have to tell the 145 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: voters what they're voting on has a tax increase in it. 146 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 4: So our measure simply says that if a measure has 147 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: a tax increase in it, the title, not the summary, 148 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 4: not the legal ease, but the title itself must contain 149 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: the words tax increase, and that is all we're asking 150 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: for in terms of the honest ballot titles. You're still 151 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 4: going to have ads that are deceptive. We can't do 152 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: anything about that. That's the first amendment. Politicians can lie. 153 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 4: Special interest can bankroll deceptive ads. What we think that 154 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: voters deserve is at least an honest disclosure that what 155 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: they're about to vote on could end up costing them 156 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 4: or someone else more money. And they need to take 157 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 4: a closer look. 158 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: And on the ballot itself, on the paper is what 159 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: you're saying, then. 160 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, on the ballot itself. And we believe that a 161 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: fair fight would be achieved if voters actually were given 162 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 4: the truth. And so look, we are up against David 163 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 4: versus Gliath year. We need help. We're going to need 164 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: to warn voters that Prop thirteen is in danger of 165 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 4: being gutted by these two initiatives that the Democrats voted 166 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 4: on last night, while also simultaneously getting a yes vote 167 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: on our California Taxpayer Protection initiative. So people can join 168 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 4: the campaign, they can contribute, They can sign up for 169 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 4: more information or to volunteer at Stop California Tax Hikes 170 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: dot com that Stop California Tax Hikes dot com. And 171 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 4: if you're sick and tired of these politicians lying to 172 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 4: you on the ballot and raising your taxes, you gotta 173 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 4: get in the fight because the special interests are coming 174 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 4: for your wallet. The only way for us to stop 175 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: them is if we work together and unite as grassroots 176 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 4: activists at Stop California tax Hikes dot com. 177 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: All right, Carl DeMaio, chairman of a Reform California and 178 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: a longtime friend of mine. Carl, I'm I'm happy to 179 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: say it's great to. 180 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 4: Talking to you, Chris. We missed you down here in 181 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 4: San Diego. 182 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: We know, and I miss San Diego too. It's one 183 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: of my favorite places in the world, There's no doubt. 184 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: All Right, Carl, take care. 185 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: Of my friend. We'll catch up with you soon. 186 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 4: Thanks so much. 187 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: You know, speaking of uh, it's going to cost something. 188 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: It's going to cost a lot this year for politicians 189 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: to run. Remember when we used to be amazed at 190 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: how much politicians were spending That was nothing. Those are 191 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: the good old Just get ready for this. That's next, 192 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: Chris Merrill And for John kN k if I am 193 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 3: six forty, We're live everywhere on your my Heart radio app. 194 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 195 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 196 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: Debrad, you heard that way before. What are you a pirate? 197 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 2: I school? 198 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: I once told Robin and I stick to this. Robin 199 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: is the program director. I said, I think Handle on 200 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: the Law is the best show on radio. I just 201 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: love it. I think it is so good, so good. 202 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: And that's why, Oh my gosh, are you a pirate? 203 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 3: I'm Chris Merrill and for John and Kent today KFI 204 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: AM six forty. More stimulating talking one day, hoping to 205 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: be ever as is creative as Bill Handle. 206 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: It's just wonderful. 207 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 4: Uh. 208 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: Maybe you recall there was a big story and it's 209 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: been a while now, but aavy recallers a big story 210 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: back in twenty twelve. It was when Mitten's Romney and 211 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 3: Barack Obama were running for the office of President of 212 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 3: the United States, and political spending that year nationwide among 213 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: all candidates. 214 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 2: All the. 215 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: From dog catcher to president, all spending nationwide topped a 216 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: billion dollars. 217 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: And I remember just saying, this is crazy, this is 218 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: a billion dollars. And I said, a billion dollars people 219 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: are spending and I looked at it at the time, 220 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: it says a billion dollars that we could be putting 221 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: toward whatever you want, infrastructure, homeless housing, feeding, lost puppies, 222 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Well, that number has changed, one might imagine, 223 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: and with inflation whatnot, you know, it's gone up. The 224 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: diction is in twenty twenty four, nationwide, we will see 225 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: over ten point two billion dollars spent on candidate ads, 226 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: ten point two billion dollars, one point two billion in 227 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: California alone. 228 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: So what we had nationwide just what will have been 229 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: twelve years ago. The anticipation is we'll be for California alone, 230 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: and now we're looking at ten billion dollars nationwide. I 231 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: get frustrated when I see these numbers because all of 232 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: those things that we complain about, when we say that 233 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: you got to follow the money, and the politicians are 234 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: bought and sold and all of these different and then 235 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: you see political spending at ten point two billion dollars. 236 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: I will tell you this, politicians hate it when I 237 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 3: say this. I don't donate to politicians. There's two things 238 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: I don't do. I don't endorse a politician and I 239 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: don't donate to a politician. One is for professional reasons, 240 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 3: and that's because I once endorsed a guy in the 241 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: early two thousands who ended up in prison, and I said, well, 242 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna endorse anybody again because 243 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: I don't know how that's gonna end up. 244 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: So I don't do it. 245 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: And the others I don't make donations because, frankly, I 246 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 3: see these I see these politicians running ads NonStop, and 247 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 3: I just think, where's the money coming from, and is 248 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: it coming from people who are complaining about the government 249 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: taking our money. Imagine ten billion dollars. Now I know 250 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: ten billion dollars in the grand scheme of things is 251 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: a drop in the bucket in the nationwide American spending, 252 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: YadA YadA, But that is a lot of money just 253 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: to say I want things to go my way. So 254 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: who is making those donations and why are they willing 255 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: to put so much money forward? And it's because it 256 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: pays off for them in the end. So whether it's 257 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: unions making donations to their politicians so that their politicians 258 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: will support their strikes as we're seeing play out in 259 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: America today, or it's CEOs make donations so that taxes 260 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: will be cutting. It will save them and they will 261 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: get their bonuses. As we're seeing playing out today, I 262 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: don't like seeing this much spending. It just screams crony 263 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: capitalism and corruption at the highest levels. All Right, we'll 264 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: shift get away from the politics a little bit, because frankly, 265 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: I feel gross. There was a hack, a big hack 266 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: in Las Vegas. Alex Stone is our ABC News correspondent. 267 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: He's going to join us next and tell us about 268 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: whether or not your information may have been breached. That's next. 269 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: Chris Merril in for JOHNA. KENKFI AM six forty. We're 270 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: live everywhere on your iHeartRadio app. 271 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 272 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 5: AM sixty. 273 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: Cyber attacks affecting some of the biggest casino operators in Vegas. 274 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: Alex Stone is our ABC News correspondent, Alex Love. 275 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: Talking to you, buddy, miss Stare Merrill, How are you. 276 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: I'm doing great there, my friend so good. Let's dive 277 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: into what's happening there at the resorts. It sounds like 278 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: this has been a real mess for the resort operators here. 279 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: They try to make sure everybody is secure. 280 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is. And it was five days now. Yeah, 281 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: it's been going on since Sunday and they don't seem 282 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: to have a good answer to this whole thing. But 283 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: this is MGM, so Bellaggio, the Cosmo Aria New York, 284 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: New York, Luxor man Le Bay, ex Caliber. It goes 285 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: on and on, and then outside of Vegas as well. 286 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean it's a lot of properties that are dealing 287 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: with this. Hotel room keys not working, slot machines down, 288 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: elevators down. If you want room service, you got to 289 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: call down. No ordering on the app or on your 290 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: TV in your room. You want to pay out at 291 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: the casino, you got to It's done by a human. 292 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: The computers that won't pay out right now, the little 293 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: slips that come out, the vouchers, it is a royal mess, right, 294 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: And this is Randall Jensen. He brought us in and 295 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: describe what's like on the casino floor at MGM grant. 296 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: If you want to get any money back at all, 297 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: then you have to have an employee to it manually. 298 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: And the whole thing is crazy because it shows you 299 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: just how connected everything is, whether it be the elevators 300 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: or the slot machines or ordering food, that it's all 301 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: connected and all of that has been taken down. Now, 302 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: the thing is that the hackers Chris may not be 303 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: probably are not in most of this stuff. But MGM, 304 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: you know, they had to pull the fire alarm and 305 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: just shut everything down so that money isn't flying out 306 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: the door. And you know what if they messed with 307 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: the elevators, what if they messed with the slot machines. 308 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: They don't know where they are and what they're in, 309 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: so anything connected MGM has shut off, and so that 310 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: makes it that much worse. And in fact, the hacking 311 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: group black Cat, they are criticizing MGM saying that they 312 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: overreacted and that they weren't aware of their own system 313 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: and where these guys are and where they aren't, and 314 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: that they shut everything down. But with that guy Randall 315 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: Jensen on the floor saying, check in procedure is kind 316 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: of messy, a lot of long lines, gamblings messy. It's 317 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: not as fun when you have to wait sell the 318 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: lines at like Bellagio and elsewhere to check in because 319 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: the computers have been not working, or they've got to 320 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: manually like give you and make a key card for 321 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: you and check you in on paper and everything else 322 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: that it's been a very long winding line to get 323 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: checked in. So they haven't figured it out yet. They 324 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 2: figured out some workarounds and they're beginning to bring some 325 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 2: things back online, but five days into it, it's still 326 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 2: a mess. 327 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 3: Well man, check in and check out can can be 328 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: kind of a time consuming ordeal anyway, depending on what 329 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 3: time you get there. We've all been there and sometimes 330 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: you walk right up to the counter and sometimes there's 331 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: there's a line. 332 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: So that's got to be they get rid of the 333 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: computers and you know, it's like old school where they 334 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: got to like make you a key essentially and say 335 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: here's your room number, and you know, you can go 336 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 2: to your room and off you go. 337 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: So, Alex, what's happening now with the with the hackers? 338 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 3: Are they are they making demands? Do they just do 339 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: this for fun? What's the Do we know what the 340 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: motivation was? 341 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they've been pretty public here in the last 342 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: twenty four hours. They are making demand. We don't know 343 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: exactly what they are there. I'm not saying what the 344 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: dollar figures are. But they've set up like chat rooms 345 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: where they want to talk to MGM and they want 346 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: to talk to the CEO, and they've got links that 347 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: they want MGM to click on, and guessing MGM doesn't 348 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: want to click on those links, not knowing where it's 349 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: going to bring them. So they're publicly putting out statements 350 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: saying that that it's about to get a lot worse. 351 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: It sounds like MGM there were some reports they'd paid 352 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: a ransom, but sounds like they have not paid the ransom. 353 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: So this group is saying, because you're not communicating with us, 354 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: because you're not agreeing to negotiate with us, that it's 355 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: about to go really bad on you, and that they're 356 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: going to start to bring down systems and MGM doesn't 357 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: know that they're in This is Alex Stamos, a cybersecurity experty, 358 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: puts it this way. 359 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 6: If they're not paying the ransom, which seems to be 360 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 6: what's happening at this point, then the attackers are highly 361 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 6: motivated to try to increase the pressure of them. They're 362 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 6: doing that already through these public interviews to try to 363 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 6: embarrass them. I wouldn't be shocked to see some data 364 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 6: start to get dumped out that was stolen from MGM, 365 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 6: and then if they get really mad, the attackers, I 366 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 6: start the leading systems or breaking stuff where they still 367 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 6: have access. 368 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: So, Chris, it's a question of what does a company 369 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: do you know, we've seen the schools and banks have 370 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: to deal with this. Do you pay the insane ransom 371 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: to make them go away and to get access to 372 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: your computers back, even though you still don't know if 373 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: they're really in there, and you know, then you got 374 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: to kind of clean out your computers and make sure 375 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 2: they're not in there. But in the meantime, they at 376 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 2: least say that if you pay them that they're going 377 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: to stop messing with you. Or do you do you know, 378 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: the FBI advisor is don't pay the ransom because that 379 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: then creates more of these and that if somebody says, 380 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: well I can make thirty million dollars, then they're going 381 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: to do it again and again and again. The others 382 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: are going to do it, so it just propagates more 383 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: of these. So do you not do it and then 384 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: elongate it like this one is right now? And will 385 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: they eventually end up paying anyway? And Samos he's saying 386 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: that no matter what, this is gonna cost MGM a 387 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: ton of money. Put it this way down here in 388 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: ten to twenty million dollars per day is the cost, 389 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: and it will be millions and millions of dollars of 390 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: so I would not be shocked if the overall cost 391 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: isn't one hundred to three hundred million dollar rank and 392 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: that's even if they don't pay the ransom. So ten 393 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: to twenty million dollars a day or do you say, 394 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: you know what enough, here's thirty million dollars, get out 395 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: of our computers and then and then go your way. 396 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: And as of right now, doesn't look like they're doing that. 397 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: Alex Stone is our ABC News correspondent. Alex Like he said, 398 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: remediation is going to be an expensive part. That means 399 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: I'm guessing bringing in more cybersecurity experts beyond who they 400 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: already I'm assuming paid a boatload of money to to 401 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: try to prevent this from happening. 402 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: To find the loop past. 403 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: Like a flood, Yeah, like a flood in your house 404 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: of where is all that mold and you're bringing water 405 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: mediation to rip apart the walls and to look for 406 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: the mold that they're going to have to do that 407 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: in the computer system of rip apart the walls of 408 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: the computer networks and figure out where were the bad guys, 409 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: and how did they get in and what damage did 410 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: they do? And can they still see anything? And you 411 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 2: know all of that, it's going to be a lot 412 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: of money. 413 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 3: Do we We don't have any idea how they got 414 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: in there then, And I don't mean I don't need 415 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: code or anything like that. 416 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: Well, no, not specifics. The group is claiming it was 417 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: easy to do that. They found the profile on LinkedIn 418 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: and it seems like posed as that person called somebody 419 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: and they said there was a ten minute phone call 420 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: to get into the internal workings of the system. So 421 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: we don't know. But did they call and say, hey, 422 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: you know, this is Joe Franklin from the IT department. 423 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: I need you to do this and do that and 424 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: do this, And did they claim whatever they did that 425 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: it was really easy to get in. 426 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I wondered, Alex, if it was if 427 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: it was a brute force attack, which is you know, 428 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 3: the geeks will tell you that's when you go in 429 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: like they do on CSI and somehow they all get 430 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: in within about thirty or forty seconds, or the social 431 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 3: engineering where somebody shares a password, or like you kind 432 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: of hinted at, they don't want to click on the Yeah, yeah, yeah, 433 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: because why do we want to click on that link? 434 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: You gave us another link to click on where I'm 435 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: going to fall for it? Dings. 436 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: You already already broke into our system, and you're telling 437 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 2: me to click on this now. But they say, you know, 438 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: assuming that they're telling the truth, and I don't know, 439 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: do you trust a hacker group that it was a 440 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: phone call and then something they got them to do 441 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: when they called MGM and that ten minute phone call 442 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: that allowed them in. 443 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: Oh what a nightmare? What an absolute nightmare? All right? 444 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 3: Alex Stone, ABC News correspondent Alex as always appreciate the 445 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: time I give my best of the family. 446 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: They're my friend. 447 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: You got it, Thanks, Chris, have a great weekend. 448 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: Thanks. Yep you two. Bye. What an absolute hell escape 449 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: that is? 450 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: Can you imagine being the hotel manager or somebody who's 451 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 3: near the top that all of a sudden has to 452 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: deal with this. Can you imagine that coming down on you? Golee, Hey, hey, listen, 453 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: everything is shut down. We're gonna lose ten to twenty 454 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: million dollars a day. 455 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: What do you want us to do? Boss? Stop losing 456 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: ten to twenty million dollars a day. Heads are rolling, 457 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: nobody knows, nobody knows, like he said, who's behind this, 458 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: nobody knows how they got in. Meanwhile, suppose that you 459 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: are some low level intern who took a phone call 460 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: from someone you thought was a higher level member of 461 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: the IT department, and you did what you were told, 462 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: thinking you were doing right. 463 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 3: You just kind of sheepishly tuck your tail between your 464 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 3: legs and just hope nobody figures that it was you. 465 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: One hundred percent that would have been me. 466 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 4: I would die. 467 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: I would be so embarrassed. I mean, look, it happens, 468 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: it does. I don't want it to happen to me. 469 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: I know, right, Oh, it's always like you know, we 470 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 3: all experience this where it's like, oh, that would be me, right, 471 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 3: whatever it is somebody, Yeah, you're carrying a you're carrying 472 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: a giant stack of donuts and uh, and you trip 473 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: over the sidewalk and it falls onto a police officer 474 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: and they're not happy about it. And then somebody takes 475 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: a picture and it goes viral. That's me carrying the donuts, right, 476 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 3: Just that's me. 477 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 4: And then you're trying to explain yourself and nobody really understand. 478 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: It wasn't a political statement. I was taking donuts, but 479 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: it fell on the officer and then no, that was it. 480 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 4: That was me. 481 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: That would totally be me. 482 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: Every single time there is a new viral sensation on 483 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 3: the TikTok, and yet it feels very familiar. 484 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what that is next. 485 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 3: I'm Chris Marilyn for Johnny Katon k IF I am 486 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 3: six forty. We're live everywhere in your iHeart radio app. 487 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KF 488 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 5: I am sixty. 489 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: Gen Z loves the newspaper. Oh man, what's old is 490 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: new again? I guess Okay. 491 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 3: So I'm reading this substack called embedded right, and in 492 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: the substack it talks about this new trend and this 493 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: this this. 494 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: Viral sensation on the TikTok. They say this is a uh. 495 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: Kate Lindsay is reporting, and Kate Lindsay says that she 496 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 3: came across twenty three year old Kelsey Russell on TikTok 497 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: while she was doing something decidedly on tiktoky, reading the 498 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 3: New York Times out loud, saying there was no dancing, 499 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: no suspenseful music, not even much editing, but she was 500 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: still drawing audiences of ten thousand and fifty thousand. 501 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: Even a million viewers. 502 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: WHOA, she's reading the New York Times and she's having 503 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: what they're calling sincere and enthusiastic demeanor and a natural 504 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: and entertaining way to break down complicated stories. 505 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: Wow, what a great idea. Anybody ever think of doing that? 506 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: This is remarkable. 507 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: She's been invited now to tour the New York Times office, 508 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: is being wooed by the Washington Post. Before she started 509 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 3: reading in news on TikTok, Kelsey found some success with 510 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: videos helping black people find your commune in Boston. She 511 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 3: recommended Salon's NightLive, destinations and more. 512 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 4: Huh. 513 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: So, let me get this straight. 514 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 3: A new hot sensation that's getting ten fifty, ten thousand, 515 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 3: and fifty thousand, even a million views is someone. 516 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: Who is. 517 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: Sharing the news and giving recommendations about where to spend 518 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: your disposable income. 519 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: I should be doing that. Yeah. I feel like there's 520 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: a real opportunity there. It shocks me that. 521 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 3: The society has gone this long without figuring out how 522 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 3: to capitalize in such a thing. To find the news, 523 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 3: to share the news, to have sincere enthusiastic reactions to 524 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 3: the news, to break down complicated stories in an understandable way, 525 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: and then to also share likes, dislikes, and other recommendations 526 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: to people. It's groundbreaking, It really is, It really is, 527 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: And thank goodness we have TikTok to do such a thing, because, 528 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: I mean, how long could civilization have gone without discovering 529 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: this life hack that other people might share news, disseminate information, 530 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: break it down, make recommendations. 531 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: It's literally talk radio. If you're not catching on, it 532 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: is literally what we've been doing for one hundred years. 533 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: Oh we're not on TikTok. Wow, it's so crazy, though, 534 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: she's so far outside the box. 535 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 3: WHOA, congratulations, gen Z. You just became everything you thought 536 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: you hated old that's it. 537 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: Congratulations. It's so revolutionary. And look, we're as guilty as anyone, 538 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: are we not, Deborah. 539 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 3: I mean, when we were young, we thought we had 540 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: it figured out, and we would stumble across something and 541 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: we'd be like, whoa, this is so crazy. How come 542 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: nobody ever did this before? Only to find out that, uh, 543 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: it's been done before. It's like when my kids, like 544 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: I don't watch TV, I watch YouTube and you go, oh, 545 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: you do? Why because they have people on there that 546 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 3: make these different like YouTube shows. 547 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: That are really entertaining and good, and you go, they do, 548 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: and how do they do that? Well, they've got a studio. 549 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: Even they're really good. 550 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 5: Never heard of that. 551 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: If only someone had come up with this concept of 552 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, developing a plotline and a story and 553 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: putting it into a studio and staging it and then 554 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: sharing that with an audience in another manner. If only 555 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: someone had thought of that before. We missed out in 556 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: our childhoods, didn't we Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. 557 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: And at some point gen Z is going to be 558 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: like us, right, I remember being that lowsed gen Z. 559 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: We were gen X, right. It was like gen X 560 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: is showed and everybody takes their turn. Everybody takes their turn, 561 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: and at one point you are the loathed generation by 562 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 3: everyone else. And then you get to be that age 563 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: loathed generation like the boomers are today, right, And so 564 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 3: you go from being everybody hates you because you're young 565 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: and stupid and everything you do is dumb and why 566 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 3: do they do it that way? To you get to 567 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: be old and then everyone hates you because everything you 568 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 3: do is old and stupid. Why do you do it 569 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 3: that way only to find out it's all basically the 570 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 3: same thing, just different iterations. 571 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: That's it. 572 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: It's like when people marvel over old stories. You know, 573 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: I went to school for theater performance. We had to 574 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: do a lot of Shakespeare, right, Oh, you gotta know 575 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: your Shakespeare class. 576 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: God, it was brutal. Hated it. I didn't hate the stories, 577 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: I just hated waiting through it because the stories were 578 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: not new. 579 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 3: They're not new stories. Shakespeare didn't have new ideas. He 580 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: wrote old stories. 581 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: In a new way. And now it's brutal for me. 582 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: To read because it's an old way that I want 583 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: to hear the new stories. 584 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. We're not Listen, you didn't invent 585 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: the wheel. You just reinvented the wheel. 586 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: So, gen Z, when you get all excited about the 587 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: breakthrough that you've got, oh my goodness, I got an idea. 588 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 3: How about skinny ties? No one ever thought of skinny 589 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: ties before? At Please you do skinny ties, everybody, Yeah, crazy, 590 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: it's been done. Now I have to go take my 591 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: heart medication because the doctor told me my blood pressure 592 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: is getting out of control. And gen Z, you have 593 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 3: that to look forward to, too, because as soon as 594 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 3: Jen Alpha starts to irritate you, you too may have 595 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: a little mini heart attack every time you start talking 596 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: about them, only because half the time you're talking about them, 597 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 3: you're also realizing how much of a dope you were 598 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 3: at that age, and then you realize how much of 599 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: a dope you're going to look like when you become 600 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 3: the age old generation really is a vicious cycle. Hey, 601 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: there's good news. One thing that every generation can agree on. 602 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: We love going to see Mickey and Mickey is I 603 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: told you it's a fat of America. 604 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: That's next. 605 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: Chris Merril in for John KENKFI AM six forty. We're 606 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 3: live everywhere in your iHeartRadio app. 607 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 608 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 4: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six 609 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 4: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 610 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 4: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.