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Speaker 1: Case Smith and Tyler Jones.
Speaker 2: We are well into early season whitetail hunting, but ambition
Speaker 2: is not lost because hunters around the country remark how
Speaker 2: weather changes are increasing deer movement.
Speaker 3: This is rutfresh. Let's go what's going on? Everybody.
Speaker 4: Welcome to another edition of rut Fresh Radio. This is
Speaker 4: Week two, Week two of multiple weeks throughout the entire
Speaker 4: fallow winter that we're going to be doing this. We're
Speaker 4: talking to people from all over the country this week.
Speaker 4: We're trying to bring to you a lot of these
Speaker 4: deer seasons that are open that people think about, but
Speaker 4: also the ones that are a little more ambiguous. Case
Speaker 4: I feel like this is the first time it actually
Speaker 4: feels a little bit more like deer season.
Speaker 3: All summer, it's been blazing hart, it has been blazing hot.
Speaker 2: The recent addition of cool weather is like almost a
Speaker 2: new feeling because it's been so long.
Speaker 3: But never fear.
Speaker 2: First light has you covered whether it's hot or cold,
Speaker 2: to get you some first light gear.
Speaker 3: It's gear for deer. It is gear for deer. We're
Speaker 3: in here for the deer, for the deer. And who
Speaker 3: we're gonna hear from today? Oh man, just so many rhymes.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: We got a few people that are gonna we're gonna
Speaker 4: hearing from Greg Litzinger in Delaware. I don't even know
Speaker 4: that season was open yet.
Speaker 2: How big is Delaware? About the size of our county,
Speaker 2: I feel like it is about a county size. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's very small. I wanted to be like, man,
Speaker 2: where are you hunting? But you know, I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: hard to find it one day. So it's like deon, man,
Speaker 2: it ain't hard to find That's right. Lucas Psycho and
Speaker 2: North Dakota. He's a good friend of ours, optimist and uh,
Speaker 2: just a really good deer hunter. He's always on just
Speaker 2: big old and I ain't even talking about Michigan mature.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about some mature bucks, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: This ain't two year olds.
Speaker 4: Christian Babcock he's getting over a food sickness of food poisoning,
Speaker 4: which I know how brtle that can be, but it's
Speaker 4: a good way to start your diet. He's out in
Speaker 4: Nebraska this week and he's been having some decent success,
Speaker 4: good sightings, good report for us. And then our old buddy,
Speaker 4: Brian Grossman. He's not old, He's just a buddy that
Speaker 4: has been a buddy for an old time.
Speaker 2: You know it was Spanish, you'd say Ola, buddy, like
Speaker 2: that kind of old buddy.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's a lot of people that put
Speaker 4: La in English too, you know, when they're trying to
Speaker 4: tie the short of old, you know, and they put
Speaker 4: the apostrophe, or instead of putting the apostrophe, they put
Speaker 4: a E at the end. It's Ola Olan grocery yelle.
Speaker 4: Brian's out in Georgia. So another Southern boy who man.
Speaker 4: He he puts a challenge on himself, you know, he's
Speaker 4: he's a part of an entity that knows a lot
Speaker 4: about managing deer. Yet he and he does that too,
Speaker 4: but he still really challenges himself on public land every
Speaker 4: year and has been really working hard to do that.
Speaker 4: He actually had some success this past week, so September
Speaker 4: deer doesn't he he does. Man, It's weird that Georgia
Speaker 4: is open in September. I feel like it's got to
Speaker 4: be just pretty much home for us, but just with
Speaker 4: a deer season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so hot. I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a trend nationally to have these earlier seasons,
Speaker 2: and I kind of wonder what that's driven by. I
Speaker 2: think it's pretty much economics. I would have massed. I mean,
Speaker 2: hunters want an opportunity at velvet deer, and that's kind
Speaker 2: of pretty apparent. But like, I don't know what a
Speaker 2: state's motivation is unless they have their like exceeding quotas
Speaker 2: or exceeding you know, the amount of deer that they're
Speaker 2: trying to have in a landscape. So they're just gonna
Speaker 2: open up more season outside of the travel thing, and
Speaker 2: sooner or later it's gonna kind of flip flop. As
Speaker 2: we see more and more of these states opening up
Speaker 2: more early seasons, it's gonna not be as special anymore.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have less travel and it's like, well, it.
Speaker 4: Easier to find guys for refresh though, I guarantee you
Speaker 4: that that's right if you want your state to be
Speaker 4: refreshed on retfresh and.
Speaker 3: We're not hitting it.
Speaker 2: Let us know, because we try to make sure we
Speaker 2: hit every state in the country that has a white
Speaker 2: tailed deer season throughout the year. But these early seasons
Speaker 2: are kind of hard because I don't really know what's
Speaker 2: going on in Vermont Vermont, to tell you the truth,
Speaker 2: but especially.
Speaker 3: Now when Bernie is out of the main news, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: There's a there's a way to get in touch with
Speaker 4: us too. Probably the best way would be just send
Speaker 4: an Instagram messages a message. So that's uh the element wild.
Speaker 4: So you can check that out if you if you
Speaker 4: follow Wired to Hunt, but you don't follow us, we're
Speaker 4: over there. If you send a message to Wired to Hunt,
Speaker 4: it will not get responded to Norm will it probably
Speaker 4: even get read. You know, I don't know I'm speaking
Speaker 4: from Mark, but I can promise you that, I can
Speaker 4: almost promise you we will not find out that your
Speaker 4: state needs to be highlighted if you send that.
Speaker 3: Message there, So Tyler, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: The guys on the podcast today talk a lot about
Speaker 2: tactics remaining pretty similar, but weather change is making a
Speaker 2: difference on how many deer they observe. You yourself are
Speaker 2: I'm going to go and say likely to shoot a
Speaker 2: September buck this year, am I yes? Likeliness, their likeness
Speaker 2: is high. What pattern you know? This is called retfresh right,
Speaker 2: because people like to hunt the rut. We all realize
Speaker 2: the road is not going on in September. It's not
Speaker 2: lost on us, I promise guys. So in fact, September
Speaker 2: is about as far from the road as it gets outside.
Speaker 3: Of like may.
Speaker 2: Right, So what pattern do you expect to kill a
Speaker 2: deer on in September?
Speaker 3: Is it gonna better?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Not in on on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I man, I would say I'm going to
Speaker 4: kill a deer on a pattern that a lot of
Speaker 4: guys are hunting right now, which is bed to feed,
Speaker 4: bed to food, however you want to say it, And
Speaker 4: probably I expect to shoot a deer.
Speaker 3: In the evening headed to food. That's my that's my thought,
Speaker 3: and probably not corn but something else. Let me ask
Speaker 3: you a question. You said evening.
Speaker 2: It's because a lot of times early season evenings are
Speaker 2: kind of like sometimes the only time people hunt. I've
Speaker 2: hunted mornings and evenings, but it's because I've had a
Speaker 2: lot of room. I think the average hunter, if they're
Speaker 2: hunting this time, you may or may not have a
Speaker 2: ton of different areas to go to, especially if they're
Speaker 2: hunting private ground, So how apt are you to hunt
Speaker 2: or to write off mornings if you only have like
Speaker 2: a limited area, so you have one hundred acres to hunt,
Speaker 2: are you gonna hunt a morning?
Speaker 4: I think I think it would be more based on
Speaker 4: what the deer doing than how much room I have.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, generally speaking, the less room you have,
Speaker 4: probably you're probably right, you're probably on the right track there,
Speaker 4: But I definitely think that it would be more. I
Speaker 4: would think more about when is that deer most killable
Speaker 4: and or is he killable in the morning, as opposed to,
Speaker 4: you know, the number of acres. So I think, like
Speaker 4: I guess what I'm saying is I killed the deer
Speaker 4: October fourth on bed to feed nothing else. In a
Speaker 4: bachelor group with another nice eight point killed a ten
Speaker 4: point on public ground. They were I don't know what
Speaker 4: you know if there's a term for it, but I
Speaker 4: always call it back to bed food stage or staging,
Speaker 4: and so essentially deer all early season they'll leave these
Speaker 4: agfields and pretty early usually and then they'll get into
Speaker 4: cover and then they'll feed around for quite a while
Speaker 4: sometimes so they may not even move a lot, or
Speaker 4: they may still kind of browse through and move pretty good,
Speaker 4: which they were doing that morning. And you know, really
Speaker 4: what they're looking what you're looking at is like high
Speaker 4: Stem count high Ford count cover that a deer, it feels,
Speaker 4: you know, is pretty has got a good advantage of
Speaker 4: for the cover for what he likes for that time
Speaker 4: of year when he's not like stupid like they are
Speaker 4: on the rut, you know, and just crazy.
Speaker 3: And so you know you've.
Speaker 4: Got the cover aspect, but you also need something for
Speaker 4: them to browse on. So in this case, it was
Speaker 4: a lot of willows for the cover, I felt like,
Speaker 4: and a lot of just random I don't even know.
Speaker 4: It was in South Dakota. There's Forbes everywhere. That was
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. So they were just browsing
Speaker 4: like crazy. This was so fat. So I think that's
Speaker 4: kind of what I look at more than ething, is
Speaker 4: like can I kill that deer in the morning? And
Speaker 4: so I knew where these deer were probably going to
Speaker 4: destinate the night before. I had made assumptions, but I
Speaker 4: hadn't actually seen these deer in this field, and so
Speaker 4: and then I put together that betting would be, you
Speaker 4: know whatever, a half mile away or something. So it's
Speaker 4: kind of my long winded answer to that. I guess
Speaker 4: it's good. Wind is good this time of year, especially
Speaker 4: long ones. Yeah, I mean, if it's still it's not good.
Speaker 2: Guys the little breeze to make sure that sin is
Speaker 2: going in the right direction, I think that to kind
Speaker 2: of go along with that and to kind of play off.
Speaker 3: The joke had just made. Early season.
Speaker 2: Deer are really patetrable and if you mess up that pattern,
Speaker 2: it could be a sad day for you. So don't
Speaker 2: go in there blowing your went in a sketchy direction
Speaker 2: or whatever, because they are just pretty sensitive this time
Speaker 2: of year. They have nothing else to do except to live.
Speaker 2: They're not trying to breed, they're not trying to fight,
Speaker 2: none of that stuff. They just want to live, so
Speaker 2: they will blow out.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: This is a good point man. In fact, those deer
Speaker 4: had been seen one of by one of our compotteries,
Speaker 4: I think maybe two days before or the day.
Speaker 3: Before, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Had gotten your wind I think at some point, right, yep,
Speaker 4: And they were they were not long ways away, but
Speaker 4: they were off that pattern for sure. They were onto
Speaker 4: a different pattern. And I didn't intend to go hunt
Speaker 4: this buck, but that's the buck. The two bachelor bucks
Speaker 4: that came in were the ones you had seen, Like.
Speaker 2: There's a decent distance from where I had seen them,
Speaker 2: and they winded and left out, not like freaking out
Speaker 2: or anything, you know, running.
Speaker 3: But they end. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyways, I think that's a good thing to keep
Speaker 2: in mind this early season. I'm excited to hear what
Speaker 2: the other guys around the country have to say, because
Speaker 2: it's interesting to me, honestly, is that around the country
Speaker 2: almost the same thing is happening everywhere right now, and
Speaker 2: as the the year starts to progress and fall starts
Speaker 2: to push down, we get to see the changes kind
Speaker 2: of happen for different hunters around the country. So it's
Speaker 2: an exciting time of year. And I say it almost
Speaker 2: every podcast right now. Der season is close. It's real close.
Speaker 2: In fact, some of you are having it dear season
Speaker 2: right So congratulations to you. I'm about to leave out
Speaker 2: on a top secret near mission myself and then go
Speaker 2: shoot the biggest elk of my life. It's gonna happen. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm calling dude, call it September. Well, I haven't shot
Speaker 2: very big Elk. I saw a few olk, but they're all,
Speaker 2: like you know, in the high two hundreds, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I can do better than that.
Speaker 3: I feel like you might have shot one that was
Speaker 3: bigger one time too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He lived over it though sadly I hate to bring
Speaker 3: it up. Well you did, but I did.
Speaker 4: But I just was thinking because you might end up
Speaker 4: seeing some of that footage here pretty soon.
Speaker 3: So uh yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, guys, if you're listening today, there's an
Speaker 2: Element episode as well. Go check out that on our feed.
Speaker 2: But for now, let's get to here. You're what the
Speaker 2: guys around the country have to say about white Tail Bucks.
Speaker 4: Now on the phone, I've got my good friend Greg
Speaker 4: lit singer not to be confused with Ashley Simpson, the
Speaker 4: lip syncer. Greg, you've been hunting Delaware, man, how's how's
Speaker 4: that been?
Speaker 7: It was hot, yeah, hot and shifting winds, which makes
Speaker 7: for a fun time in the woods.
Speaker 4: You know, that makes it near impossible, man, the shifting
Speaker 4: winds thing. Those kind of still days or variable winds, man,
Speaker 4: can be really tough.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Two days we had good win and they were the
Speaker 7: best days of being the woods. You know, steady wind
Speaker 7: you ever seen, but that shifting wings, shifting warm winds
Speaker 7: are just it's tough.
Speaker 4: I wonder if the deer feel that, Like if a
Speaker 4: deer is like man, I got a consistent win, like
Speaker 4: it's instinctual more than this, but like, you know, I
Speaker 4: got something that I can stick my nose into and walk.
Speaker 7: You know, I think older bucks, yes, younger bucks probably
Speaker 7: not so much, but I think there's been around for
Speaker 7: as he wants a steady so much that he wins.
Speaker 4: Sure, so public land in Delaware, not a lot of
Speaker 4: people thinking about that that are at least across the US.
Speaker 4: And uh, it was hot and variable winds, but you
Speaker 4: still had some deer come by, right, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I was on deer almost every morning. Every time I
Speaker 7: went out, I had deer almost in range and three
Speaker 7: three four times out there I could have I could
Speaker 7: have killed some does. But you know, foliage and stick sometimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this time here can be tough. Did you what
Speaker 4: kind of patterns were you basing your hunting sets on?
Speaker 7: Fifty yards off? You know, bean fields? Cornfields?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 7: I think people sleep on the corn when there's beans around.
Speaker 7: But I get the same pattern.
Speaker 3: Deer going the food.
Speaker 7: They're not gonna walk the mile to get beans and
Speaker 7: there's corn right there, you know, m hm.
Speaker 2: As you know, the months pushing on here, I feel
Speaker 2: like the bachelor groups are going to start to spread out.
Speaker 3: Did you see bucks in bachelor groups?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like they were kind of loaners?
Speaker 7: My buddy seen them in groups and I started noticing
Speaker 7: some rub and scrapes that are they're not ready to
Speaker 7: break off some.
Speaker 3: Of these boats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, still a velvet half and half. Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 4: So I guess as you as you look at the
Speaker 4: next week and maybe weather, maybe moon, maybe you know,
Speaker 4: even consistent winds, Like you said, if it's more consistent,
Speaker 4: what are there anything? Is there anything to look up
Speaker 4: like forward to Is it gonna be better or worse?
Speaker 4: It's the same. Are you gonna switch patternings?
Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be better because the temperature is going.
Speaker 3: To be more favorable for better winds.
Speaker 7: Okay, we had that warm, warm weather and variable winds
Speaker 7: and then like the dreaded east wind it's it's I
Speaker 7: don't see a lot of big deering east wims personally.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When you've got a big system like out in the
Speaker 2: Atlantic over there, does that like you know, there's a
Speaker 2: huge hurricane it's building. Do you feel like that gives
Speaker 2: you good consistent weather or is that gonna be something
Speaker 2: that makes it volatile?
Speaker 7: If it if it makes it up in full force,
Speaker 7: and yeah, you can get some some consistency four a
Speaker 7: day or two out of it.
Speaker 3: Four it turns the crap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So are you are you changing your patterns
Speaker 4: the way you're hunting or what you're hunting?
Speaker 3: What pattern you're hunting on.
Speaker 5: The food?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, I got you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so not so close to the food in the evening.
Speaker 5: You know, I might back off.
Speaker 7: One hundred and fifty yards, but I don't know if
Speaker 7: he's going to break your daylight. You know, I prefer
Speaker 7: to shoot him an hour before I don't. I'm not
Speaker 7: a fan of gray light as I get older because
Speaker 7: my vision isn't the best. So I like to shoot
Speaker 7: them a little bit before dark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Do you uh, I know off air will go We're
Speaker 2: talking a little bit. You said that you got to
Speaker 2: a field or an area and you were already on
Speaker 2: the field early. Is that something that you've been noticing
Speaker 2: lately or and you having to adjust kind of when
Speaker 2: you hit in the woods.
Speaker 7: Ye, usually I find that when the red moons. I'm
Speaker 7: not I don't fully believe in the red moon, but
Speaker 7: some in season, like early season, before pressure kicks in,
Speaker 7: they were saying that deer were gonna be on the
Speaker 7: field edge at like five o'clock and five o'clock.
Speaker 3: The deer are pouring out.
Speaker 2: So there's something to it for sure. If that's the case, man,
Speaker 2: that's cool. As you look forward to the next week here,
Speaker 2: if you had to rate the buck movement on a
Speaker 2: scale of one to ten, what do you think that
Speaker 2: looks like.
Speaker 3: It's gonna get better?
Speaker 7: I won't give it.
Speaker 3: Probably a six, all right, dude. Yeah, six is encouraged
Speaker 3: the time. It works every time. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thanks for giving us the report.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you man, as a friend and as a
Speaker 4: fellow hunter. Man, I know you you are worth your salt.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: You do a good job and uh and you get
Speaker 4: after the big old bucks. Yeah dude, so uh anyway,
Speaker 4: I hopefully get talk to you again this year. But
Speaker 4: if not, man, h I hope you get after him
Speaker 4: and kill some big bucks there in Delaware and everywhere else.
Speaker 3: Same with same as you guys. Save to you guys.
Speaker 4: Thanks man, Now on the phone, Lucas Psycho, good buddy
Speaker 4: of ours from North Dakota. He's uh, he's been hunting
Speaker 4: as usual and uh, bucks tend to go down around you.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: What else has been going on?
Speaker 6: Not much, man, just just wrapped up a deer camp
Speaker 6: with the guys and knocked down a couple of bucks
Speaker 6: and one particularly pretty big one and and uh yeah,
Speaker 6: fixing to go out this evening.
Speaker 4: Here, Dude, you are a big buck magnet. Dude, I
Speaker 4: don't understand it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Just like as I'll say this, I'm statistically lucky.
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, statistically you're pretty good deer hunter probably,
Speaker 4: you know. But uh, anyway, man, what'd y'all so you
Speaker 4: had two deer go down and camp?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Was there any commonalities between how you guys were able
Speaker 4: to take them, Like what patterns you're hunting them on
Speaker 4: or whatever? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, just strictly bed to bet to you know, bed
Speaker 6: to food, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Alf Alfa fields. Elf alfa fields have been hot. You know,
Speaker 6: that's the that's the green right now up here. So anyway,
Speaker 6: we got alf alfa fields, we've been hitting those, hitting
Speaker 6: those hard and hunting the transition areas for bead to food.
Speaker 6: So you know, mornings have been hotter than been the
Speaker 6: evenings for for the most part. Uh, they generally are,
Speaker 6: especially when we get we got some ninety degree tempts
Speaker 6: there over opening week and almost almost one hundred one day,
Speaker 6: and uh so evening movement was almost nothing.
Speaker 3: And then but what.
Speaker 6: That does do over around here seems like the mornings
Speaker 6: they they moved a little bit later on those hot days.
Speaker 2: So dude, I love that strategy. That's the thing that
Speaker 2: I'll love to do too. I love morning's early season.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I've seen you do a
Speaker 2: lot is uh like, find a buck and move in
Speaker 2: on him. Is that still what y'all are doing kind
Speaker 2: of here in this early season or are you hunting?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, we you know, we uh we had we had
Speaker 6: to make a make a good a good move on
Speaker 6: one of the bucks, and.
Speaker 3: Uh it took us.
Speaker 6: It took us three four days to figure it out,
Speaker 6: but we finally figured it out and got in on
Speaker 6: him and he just you know, just so happened to
Speaker 6: walk to my buddy rather than me, which is just
Speaker 6: fine because that's what we're out there for, is we're
Speaker 6: out there to share it share it with the guys
Speaker 6: we want to share with, you know, so for sure,
Speaker 6: So that's that's what it's all belt. So he smacked
Speaker 6: him hard, shot him, and Uh, what.
Speaker 2: Shit of the bucks where you're at have shared their
Speaker 2: velvet so far?
Speaker 3: Do you think? What's that? What percentage of the bucks
Speaker 3: where you're at have shared their velvet so far? Do
Speaker 3: you think?
Speaker 6: Uh? Well, by right now we're probably looking at majority. Yeah,
Speaker 6: So it was it was like fifty percent through the week,
Speaker 6: it seemed like though. So the one buck we the
Speaker 6: one buck my buddy Dustin got was was vent full velvet,
Speaker 6: and then uh, the one that my buddy, my other
Speaker 6: buddy got on the sixth was pretty much out cool.
Speaker 4: So in the next week or so, are they still
Speaker 4: is do you still feel like you're gonna because I
Speaker 4: know when we first got on, you were talking to
Speaker 4: me about off air about you're gonna be getting back
Speaker 4: after him again. Are they gonna still be doing the
Speaker 4: same type of things, bed to feed, same type of
Speaker 4: betting and and also probably on alfalfa or you think
Speaker 4: there's gonna be some sort of switch.
Speaker 3: Nope, I think we're gonna stay stay the same.
Speaker 8: As far as.
Speaker 6: Movement, patterns for for the next few weeks here. For sure,
Speaker 6: this week, like it's seventy degrees now, so and it's
Speaker 6: supposed to stay stay seventy. A little bit of rain
Speaker 6: moving through here this weekend, so it's uh it's gonna
Speaker 6: be good.
Speaker 3: And uh it looks like we're.
Speaker 6: Still gonna warm up in like the eighties this next
Speaker 6: coming week here, uh so, which is great because one
Speaker 6: thing that sucks is if you just have stagnant weather patterns,
Speaker 6: So just deer get a little bit.
Speaker 8: Stagnant, kind of almost like they're bored.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so, uh, you know, we get this this up
Speaker 6: and down movements, whether it's even hot super hot to
Speaker 6: super cool and off. I'll take it as long as
Speaker 6: that that that that weather pattern is changing, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so with the impending weather change coming, if you
Speaker 2: had to rate what you think the next week is
Speaker 2: going to be like on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 2: what do you think that's gonna look like for buck movement.
Speaker 6: I think we're gonna be sitting right close to it,
Speaker 6: right around an eight nine ground here. I think you're
Speaker 6: gonna you're gonna you're gonna have some good opportunities and
Speaker 6: and and uh you know, you're gonna move really well
Speaker 6: for at least the next four or five days for sure,
Speaker 6: and then we're gonna get a change and wins likely
Speaker 6: with that that a d degree temps will get some south.
Speaker 6: So what it does too, it opens up all these
Speaker 6: different areas to hunt, you know, with the other wins
Speaker 6: that you generally don't have. So you know, it gives
Speaker 6: you those, you know, opportunities to move in on stuff
Speaker 6: that you you haven't been to. So those first sit
Speaker 6: hunts are are you know that those are gonna be
Speaker 6: very valued available for guys.
Speaker 3: So yeah, dude, you're so good at this.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 4: I just I appreciate you having on the phone and
Speaker 4: spending time with us man and just putting some wisdom
Speaker 4: into the podcast. And uh, you know, appreciate your energy, dude.
Speaker 4: You're always such an optimistic dude and just full energy.
Speaker 3: Man. So I hope you uh, I hope you guys
Speaker 3: have a great season.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah you too. You guys too.
Speaker 5: You know, I always appreciate chatting.
Speaker 3: With you guys.
Speaker 2: All right, now, I've got our buddy Brian Grossman from
Speaker 2: the NDA and he has been doing a little early
Speaker 2: season hunting in the Great State of Georgia brin.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 9: Oh man, a whole lot just uh yeah, enjoying the season,
Speaker 9: finally being open.
Speaker 3: That's good man.
Speaker 2: What's better than Georgia the hunting, the dogs or the braves.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's it's the hunting for me.
Speaker 3: Oh that's good. That's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you've been out in the early season. You had
Speaker 2: some success. Shot you at dough with a recurve. That's awesome.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: What what kind of pattern were you hunting when you're
Speaker 3: out there?
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's uh, it's it's pretty tough right now because
Speaker 9: we're not I'm not seeing anything in the way of
Speaker 9: acorns dropping. Still a little early to I guess to
Speaker 9: see what's gonna.
Speaker 5: Happen with those. But uh, you know, there are.
Speaker 9: Some things like for simmons and muscadines that that you
Speaker 9: can on this time of year. You know, if you
Speaker 9: can find them and find some that are that are
Speaker 9: being here, you know, that's that's always a pretty good bet.
Speaker 9: But for the most part, it seems like, at least
Speaker 9: where I'm at, they're kind of still on that that
Speaker 9: summer browse pattern. You know, anything anything green out there,
Speaker 9: you know, forbes, shrubs, tree leaves, you know, all all
Speaker 9: that kind of stuff that that seems to be where
Speaker 9: it's at right now, which, uh, which which can be
Speaker 9: pretty tough.
Speaker 5: Down here, because there's there's plenty of that to go around.
Speaker 4: I heard that, man, So are you setting up on
Speaker 4: you know, habitat transitions or what are you looking at
Speaker 4: when it comes to I mean, if you've got a
Speaker 4: bunch of forbes around, what are you what are you
Speaker 4: really keying in on? What's the limited resource there?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I mean right now, until I do start finding that
Speaker 9: that concentrated feed sign, I'm just sticking to cover, you know,
Speaker 9: good heavy cover, trying to find you know, those entrances
Speaker 9: and exit routes kind of on the periphery of good
Speaker 9: cover and uh and you know, set up on that.
Speaker 9: It's it's just hard to peg down a food source,
Speaker 9: you know. I'm trying to hunt in the vicinity, you know,
Speaker 9: with them feeding on forbes and greenery and that kind
Speaker 9: of stuff. You know, clearcuts are always a great bet.
Speaker 9: You know, thin pines around here where they've really thinned
Speaker 9: the pines back and you get a good understore growth
Speaker 9: or or you know, any any place where some kind
Speaker 9: of natural opening you know, in the woods with that
Speaker 9: understore growth can can be a good spot.
Speaker 8: For sure.
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of cool weather and some precipitous
Speaker 2: precipitation in the forecast for a lot of the country
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Is that something you got in Georgia coming up here too?
Speaker 9: It is going to cool down a little bit for Georgia,
Speaker 9: I guess, you know, starting I think maybe later this week, uh,
Speaker 9: in the in more more low eighties as opposed to
Speaker 9: like you know, upra eighties nineties that we've been having,
Speaker 9: so that will definitely be welcome. Not a whole lot
Speaker 9: of rain in the forecast for where I'm at. I'm
Speaker 9: actually finally finally worked up a about a three quarter
Speaker 9: acre food plot here on my place, which I'm excited about.
Speaker 9: But yeah, ever since I worked the ground up, there's
Speaker 9: no rain has happened and no rains in sight, so
Speaker 9: I'm still kind of waiting to put the seed down
Speaker 9: for that.
Speaker 3: Shoot, man, Yeah, that's that. If there's hard and fall
Speaker 3: from the sky, it's hard to get it there sometimes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, no no sense in putting the seed down
Speaker 9: until they you know, start to see some rain in
Speaker 9: that far.
Speaker 2: Are you prioritizing those cool days as the days you're
Speaker 2: trying to get out in the woods, or you just
Speaker 2: kind of taking it easy until the season kind of
Speaker 2: progresses on.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I'm a I'm an equal opportunity type hunter.
Speaker 9: I'm getting out anytime I can, regardless of weather.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I certainly man.
Speaker 9: If I see it's going to be, you know, a
Speaker 9: good cooler day, I want to be out there for sure,
Speaker 9: Not not necessarily just because deer movement, but just because
Speaker 9: it's it's a more comfortable time to be out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So going into the next week, does anything change? You
Speaker 4: still hunt and cover. Mean, you're not gonna get any rain,
Speaker 4: so you're not gonna see any food, food plotting or
Speaker 4: anything like that. If you were to go hunting this
Speaker 4: next week, is it the same type of scenario or
Speaker 4: are you're gonna change things up a little bit.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I'll probably still be sticking the cover,
Speaker 9: but every time I'm out there, I'm gonna be kind
Speaker 9: of scout my way in, you know, looking for uh,
Speaker 9: for that feed sign, because you know it's only only
Speaker 9: a matter of time for for some make corns start
Speaker 9: hitting the ground and uh, you know, those those patterns
Speaker 9: start shifting a little bit, so it's always always looking
Speaker 9: for that most recent sign.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So on a scale of one to ten, what would
Speaker 4: you assume buck movement is going to be like next week?
Speaker 9: You know, i'd probably just in general for this time
Speaker 9: of year, probably put it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know six something like that.
Speaker 9: I mean, I mean, you know, the deer gonna move regardless,
Speaker 9: they're gonna move. It's just a matter of where and
Speaker 9: being there. But like I said, with the on that
Speaker 9: summer feed pattern, they don't they don't have to move
Speaker 9: around a lot because of.
Speaker 5: The cover and the food source are.
Speaker 9: Kind of one of the save ye yeah, gotcha. Yeah,
Speaker 9: i'd say kind of mid range there.
Speaker 4: Awesome, man, Well, we appreciate your time. I hope you
Speaker 4: get after him in Georgia once it starts cooling down.
Speaker 4: I hope you get rain Man. And we're praying for
Speaker 4: the same here. So uh, we'll talk to you later
Speaker 4: on the season. Brian, All right, man, sounds good. You
Speaker 4: gotta be safe out there all right now? I have
Speaker 4: Christian Babcock from Hunter's Advantage. What's going on, dude?
Speaker 8: Hey, how's it going guys? Good to talk to you again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're good. Man, we're just chilling. You know.
Speaker 4: We got a cold front and things are feeling like
Speaker 4: Dearie out there. But there's no season opening Texas. You know,
Speaker 4: there's only a few states open right now, one of
Speaker 4: which is Nebraska, which is where you have been. And
Speaker 4: I hear there's something in the water and the food
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 5: You're not lying.
Speaker 8: There a good, good battle with some whitetail bucks and
Speaker 8: Mulei's and then food poisoning too. It's kind of a trifecta.
Speaker 8: Are you sure fever it might have been? It might
Speaker 8: have been, guys, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Well, so how'd the trip go, man?
Speaker 4: I I'm kind of interested in what they were doing
Speaker 4: this last week out there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been a couple of days over in kind
Speaker 8: of the western portion of the state and then moved
Speaker 8: over to more of the mixture of white Tail and
Speaker 8: Mewley country. But we saw some pretty good buck movement
Speaker 8: in the middle, you know, the early mornings and late
Speaker 8: evenings like you'd expect kind of in September, and it
Speaker 8: was awesome. We saw some good cold fronts too up there.
Speaker 8: I mean many days with lows in the fifties, which
Speaker 8: for someone that lives in Texas, like you guys, is
Speaker 8: a is kind of wildest part of the year. But
Speaker 8: it was.
Speaker 3: It was a good hunt, man.
Speaker 2: That is one of the nice things about going north,
Speaker 2: you know for the early season. Is that nice whether
Speaker 2: you get when you're out there.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, in the.
Speaker 2: Past, especially the past few years, Nebraska's really suffered from drought.
Speaker 2: This year has been a little better, but you know,
Speaker 2: later towards the end of the summer it still got
Speaker 2: really dry that it seemed like a lot of the
Speaker 2: crops were in or were there some foul fields around.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it seemed the majority of the stuff we were
Speaker 8: seeing was in standing corn right now, and then a
Speaker 8: lot of a cut and bailed alfalfa, which seemed to
Speaker 8: be where a lot of those deer were spending their time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Man, that's a good thing to key in on.
Speaker 2: Did you feel like that alfalfa was better in the
Speaker 2: morning or the evening or and was the corn the
Speaker 2: inverse of that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, the standing corn, we saw some deer around it
Speaker 8: in the evenings, but you know, they get into that
Speaker 8: stuff and kind of just disappear. So it seemed like
Speaker 8: the morning and the evening was pretty consistent on the alfalfa,
Speaker 8: and we had pretty good luck getting in between that
Speaker 8: on on private and then some of those deep cuts
Speaker 8: that are filled with cedars. It seem, you know, kind
Speaker 8: of getting them on bed to feed filter and back
Speaker 8: between food and bedding and those deep cuts, and we
Speaker 8: saw some pretty good activity doing that.
Speaker 4: Gotcha, so are you would you feel like you're sitting
Speaker 4: closer to betting or closer to the food.
Speaker 8: Closer to betting because there, you know, most of the
Speaker 8: food that was on the public with standing corn, and
Speaker 8: that's kind of a jungle to try to hunt in
Speaker 8: and around this time of year. So we were key
Speaker 8: and him where I'm betting, I'd.
Speaker 4: Say, okay, So you know, if you were going to
Speaker 4: be there this next week, would you be doing more
Speaker 4: of the same or do you think things are going
Speaker 4: to change it all?
Speaker 8: I'd be doing probably the exact same thing we were
Speaker 8: doing this week. Yeah, trying to get them going back
Speaker 8: to betting off of food. That seemed to be a
Speaker 8: pretty good tactic. I mean, there were several instances where
Speaker 8: me and my buddy Gabe saw a deer, you know,
Speaker 8: under one hundred and fifty yards and then once you
Speaker 8: get in that country and you get an opportunity, you know,
Speaker 8: and it's just kind of up to you to steal
Speaker 8: the deal from there. So we were in the chips,
Speaker 8: you know, between the food poisoning and that. But that's
Speaker 8: exactly I'd do it again, just this time with a
Speaker 8: good stomach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't blame you. Man.
Speaker 2: So were you spend a lot of time like on
Speaker 2: the ground spot and stalking whitetail or do you feel
Speaker 2: like setting up ambush doll is a better thing to
Speaker 2: go right now?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 8: What I love about that country is it's open and
Speaker 8: you know, you can really see quite a way. So
Speaker 8: we spend a lot good amount of time sitting up
Speaker 8: on you know, ledges and just glassing and trying to
Speaker 8: make moves from there. I'm sure somebody could. I just
Speaker 8: know that I didn't feel like going out there and
Speaker 8: using a saw for an hour on a cedar tree.
Speaker 8: So that just sounded more my style with Spot and
Speaker 8: stock this week.
Speaker 2: It's a good way to sweat it up, even if
Speaker 2: it is a kind of career, you know, man, looking forward.
Speaker 3: Here, do you feel like the buck movement's going to
Speaker 3: be nice?
Speaker 2: You know, you said things are gonna be kind of
Speaker 2: consistent and then what would you rate that on a
Speaker 2: scale of one to ten?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I saw on the next week, there's a few
Speaker 8: days with showers that are going to be losing the forties.
Speaker 8: I think I you'd see some pretty good buck movement,
Speaker 8: maybe extending through the day, not just the first thirty
Speaker 8: minutes to an hour of light. If I was to
Speaker 8: go back this next week, and I'd be pretty excited
Speaker 8: about it. Sadly I'm not, but i'd be pumped up
Speaker 8: I was going back next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 2: So what would you rate it on a scale of
Speaker 2: one to ten for buck movement for next week?
Speaker 8: Probably probably a four, which I would have rated the
Speaker 8: last last week. Maybe a two. You know, it's still
Speaker 8: early season hunting, but there's plenty of opportunity out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the realistic approach on that too. A four
Speaker 2: is still a pretty good day in the whitetail woods Man.
Speaker 2: So that's a good report, dude. We appreciate the time,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad you're feeling better because I know that
Speaker 2: food poison and stuff's rough, dude, and I hope that
Speaker 2: you don't have to encounter any more of that adversity
Speaker 2: throughout the season. You've had enough so far, so from
Speaker 2: here on as smooth sailing.
Speaker 8: Right, that's right, Peton mind is here we go?
Speaker 3: It sounds great man. Well we'll talk to you again.
Speaker 8: See all right, thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate those guys and all the solid reports from
Speaker 2: around the country. There's a lot of optimism right now,
Speaker 2: and you should be optimistic too if you're not, and
Speaker 2: you need to maybe hone up on some of your skills.
Speaker 3: There's a really cool.
Speaker 2: Article from Tony Peterson on effective bino use for hunting
Speaker 2: white tailed deer on the Wired to Hunt feed. And
Speaker 2: by the way, episode three of One Week of November
Speaker 2: comes out this week. We'll link to that stuff below.
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