1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Drink motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's agreed 2 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: is your boy in or he's a Miami hippop pioneer 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: was d J E f N. Together they drink it 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: up with some of the biggest players in the most 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: professional unprofessional podcast. And your number one source for drunk 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: drink Mother is New year Z's time for drink Chips, 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: trink up for the Mother. And you know, if you 8 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: look at n y p D the n y p 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: D um that somebody um made it aware that because 10 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: of what's happening in New York that every police officer 11 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: in New York is now work, has to work, has 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: to be available to work seven days a week, twelve 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: hour ships. So it's only a matter of time before 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: they're exhausted as well, you know what I'm saying. If 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: we could swap people out take days off, but they 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: can't right all week, so we we just have to 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: outlast them, you know, and at some point they're gonna 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: have to conform because the Blossio man, I really, I 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: really would have thought that a man raising black children 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: in his house would have would have dealt with this 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: a lot differently, would have had a little bit more empathy, 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: but he didn't, and that's how his daughter ends up 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: getting arrested at the protests, you know what I'm saying. 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: And then he wants to talk about how good of 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: a child his child is, Well, why don't you talking 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: like that about George Water. Why don't you talking about 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: that about Brianna Taylor and all these other victims of violence. 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: Why don't you take a parental um outlook on this 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: situation right and have a better level of understanding. But no, 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: you wanted to put the hard fits down in New York, 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, be the typical New York mayor, and then 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: your kid gets arrested. Now all of a sudden, you're 33 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: trying to profess how good your black child is. Well, 34 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: guess what we've been all trying to collectively say this 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: about all the black children. But decades get you'all strip 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: still treated them like animals, specifically on the streets in 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: New York, you know what I'm saying. So now that 38 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: you have a more informed view of what happens to 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: our children outside trying to do the right thing, standing 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: on the right side of history, you should have you 41 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: should have the ability to to show more compassion in 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: this situation, right, pulled back the reins. But no, that's 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: what happens when when you know mayors and cities, um 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: really just just give everything over to the police department. 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: Because I'm not saying that, Like I understand the mayor 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: needs a police department, right, like he needs to have 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: a good relationship with the police department because there are 48 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: things that he needs the police to do. But at 49 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: the same time, like, your constituents should matter as well, 50 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: and you shouldn't give more power to the people that 51 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: police your constituents in the constituents themselves because the police can't. 52 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 1: The police will be fine whether we vote you out 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: or not. They don't lose their jobs, like they're not 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: elected officials. So we we vote your as, the same 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: cops that you're taken up for them as will still 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: be there when you're gone. They're still be coming after 57 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: your kids too. Absolutely, now that now that dad isn't 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: married him money make target him. Why is this so mad? 59 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: Why is it so hard for people to um to 60 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: just say black lives matter? Like why is this because 61 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: it's not because they're racist? By theom line, If you 62 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: can't say it, it's because you're racists. No, there's nothing 63 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: else to say, because you have to be a racist. 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: There is a level of racism that you do not 65 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: want to give up this power. You know, just like 66 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: when we're talking about doing he doesn't want to say 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: it because he wants the people who are racist to 68 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: know that. I don't want to say that. You don't 69 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: hear Trump's that black lives matter. He does never say that. 70 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: He just would never say it because he understands his 71 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: constituency is his whole base is built on the fact 72 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: that white is supreme. He says that he said he 73 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: said it. First of all, I'm a nationalist. You know 74 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you if you know the history 75 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: of nationalism, it is white supremacy. You know what I'm saying. 76 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: So the bottom line is they don't want to say 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: it because they don't want to give up their power. 78 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: That's why we and you just think about this. We 79 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: are really in this position because white supremacist is so 80 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: strong that the police department refused to lock up four 81 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: officers that everybody saw killed somebody just thinking about it. 82 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: All they had to do was arrest these people. From 83 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: the beginning, we wouldn't it would have been no riots. 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: There wouldn't have been no marches, it would have been nothing. 85 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: They would have seen it, people like Dan, that's a 86 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: mess of the year. They arrested officers, and they would 87 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: have said, that's good. You know, at least you're doing something. 88 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: And they kept on. They dragged this ship on for 89 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: for over a week, and we had to hit the 90 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: streets and every day they burnt down the whole police station. 91 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: They refused to give in because white supremacy is such 92 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: a disease that they would de lect the country. They 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: will destroy the country before they give up that power. Yeah, 94 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: um yeah, I want to I sund was called of 95 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: my my engineers. My phone about to die. But I 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: want to, um talk about Black lives matter for a second. 97 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: Black lives matter. This this, the whole system is geared 98 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: to make sure that black lives don't matter, which is why, 99 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: which is why those three women started that organization. And 100 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: I think what they did was revolutionary. I put it 101 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: on the same level as what King and then was 102 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: doing in the in the sixties. Because to take that 103 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: phrase black lives matter, it's like Malcolm said, make it plain, 104 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: just make it simple and plain. Black Lives Matter now. 105 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: If you look at the Black Lives Matter website, in 106 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: the last two years, Black Lives Matter was more organization 107 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: that was active. They started with Trayvon Martin, then they 108 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: got really active around Mark around My Ground, and then 109 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: they sort of used the platform. Those three sisters used 110 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: the platform that they built with Black Lives Matter to 111 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: go move into other other work. So um Alicia Garza 112 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: from Black Lives Matter Now is working with an organization 113 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: called Black Future Labs and they put out a twenty 114 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: seven page Black Agenda. I think the website is Black 115 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: to the Future dot org, and I encourage everybody to 116 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: go read their Black Agenda because it's a black agenda, 117 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: is thoroughly researched. It takes sense this information and polling 118 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: information into consideration. So they're saying, our Black Agenda is 119 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: based on what we research to see what Black America 120 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: is asking for. It's radical, it's revolutionary, and that's completely 121 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: supported h Patrice Colors from Black Lives Matter, probably the 122 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: most visible member of it. She's now working more with 123 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: Movement for Black Lives and Movement for Black Lives. It's 124 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: the organization that you see pushing the defund the police 125 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: and they now partnered with Essence. But what I want 126 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: to say is that on the Black Lives Matter website 127 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: there's stuff about COVID, this general stuff, but they haven't 128 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: been the organization Black Lives Matter has not at all 129 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: been at the forefront of the uprisings and the marches 130 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: uh to to support George Floyd. But what started to 131 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: happen is the work they did was so phenomenal that 132 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: that phrase was so ubiqueous, is so dope that anybody 133 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: who uses that phrase, people just want to use that phrase, 134 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: whether they support the principles of Black Lives Matter or not. 135 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: When you go on the Black Lives Matter website, there's 136 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff that people who use that 137 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: hashtag in that phrase probably don't even agree with. There's 138 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: a whole whole bunch of whole bunch of political stuff 139 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: and stuff about intersectionality. Some people are like, no, I 140 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: don't funk with that intersectionality. Some black people like, no, 141 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: don't call me a person of color. Now, I don't 142 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: think that queer rights a queer issues should be beard 143 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: of our struggle. And all of that is on the 144 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter page. So when you see people say 145 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: Shaun King is a Black Lives Matter matter activists, He's not. 146 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: Regardless how you feel about Shaun King, he's never been 147 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: a member of Black Lives Matter. Regardless how you feel 148 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: about d Ray McKesson, he's never been a member of 149 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter. Anytime you see someone holding up a 150 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: sign and then when putting a hashtag, they are called 151 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter activists, And I feel like that's 152 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: been part of the problem, is that it's those sisters work. 153 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: They were almost too successful for their own good. Black 154 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: Lives Matter as an organization, as a hashtag was such 155 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: a good idea that everybody wants to buy into it, 156 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: but not everybody's doing the work to call themselves a 157 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter activists. People are using it now as 158 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: a term that tagonize the power strugg right without really 159 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: even understanding who created it, what it truly stands for, 160 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: and what the thoughts and the thought process behind it, 161 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: the policies that they're pushing behind it. People saying now 162 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: just to piss old white people off, like it's almost 163 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: becoming something that trolling our maga hat. It's almost like 164 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: becoming our Ryan I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. 165 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Comparisve comparison. You know what I'm saying now being co 166 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: opted for people to troll people into like showing their racism. 167 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. That shows you how white supremacists 168 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: and country we live in that people are antagonized by 169 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: saying that. You know what I'm saying, We're saying it's 170 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: better with saying no, we're just saying it just matters, 171 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: it matters. Let it matter that it matters. Is this? 172 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: It's crazy? You ever thought you ever thought we would 173 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: be here in this country, like you know, after bar 174 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: and after Malcolm, we thought we was gonna move forward. 175 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: It almost felt like we moved back. And not only 176 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: did we felt like we moved back, but here's the 177 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: crazy things. You know, with a lot of these great protests, 178 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: of these great you know, when we come out and 179 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: we march, we get together and you see these great 180 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: pictures right now, it's crazy. It was like COVID was 181 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: almost planned to not see our leaders like you know, 182 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: because it was like, you know, like your face is 183 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: not being shown, you know what I mean, Like it's 184 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: did that feel weird to anybody else? Hell, that's just 185 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: me now, I mean you know this COVID ship is 186 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: a whole other conversation, and I think you're right on 187 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: multiple levels, but one thing is for me, COVID was 188 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: the first problem, right, So so the idea that that 189 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: black people getting killed by the state is the point. 190 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: But that sense of vulnerability and insecurity that you feel 191 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: from the state doesn't just begin when police shoot you. 192 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: Just like in Ferguson, it wasn't just when police shot 193 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: you in Ferguson or Baltimore or Texas. It was Flint, 194 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: Michigan with the water. Similarly, we don't feel protected by 195 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: the state right now, and the same way Donald Trump 196 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: didn't cause COVID, but he's responsible for for there being 197 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: so many deaths and who was dying from COVID people 198 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: who were poor. We say essential workers are people who 199 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: have to do medical work, e. M T s, police officers. 200 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: But if I'm poor and can't afford to work from 201 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: home or do a zoom, and I gotta work at 202 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: Target of Walmart so rich people can't stock up for 203 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: the week, I'm now on the front lines as an 204 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: essential worker as well, except I'm only making minimum wage 205 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: and so I'm vulnerable because the state couldn't protect me 206 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: they gave me. They gave Wall Street and other people trillions. 207 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: They gave me a twelve check that I might get 208 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: by the end of the summer to last the whole time. 209 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: And so the states failure to protect me subjects me 210 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: to premature death. That same premature death is what happens 211 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: to George Floyd. So the COVID ship is the backdrop 212 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: to all of this. COVID is just a metaphor for 213 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: all the ways that the state either kills us or 214 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: doesn't stop us from dying from premature death. And then 215 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: on top of that, your point is the rebellion of 216 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: resistance to it, the mask we put on to protect 217 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: our lives. And then we go out the streets to 218 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: fight this other ship, and we got the mask on, 219 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: which is again a metaphor for the way that we 220 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: got to defend ourselves from the state, from state surveilance, 221 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: from state violence, from state harassment. It's a crazy situation, 222 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: and the craziest ship of all is that, for example, 223 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: I got a ninety two year old father, right, and 224 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: I want to see him. I'd ever see him in 225 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: three months, right. They we met with the hospice team, 226 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: so you know they were like we don't know how 227 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: much longer he has. I can't see him, Um, but 228 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: if I go on the streets and protests and then 229 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: I can go see him, Now, I'm putting his life 230 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: at risk, right, So I got And so black people 231 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: all around the country, all around the America are deciding 232 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: right now between staying at home and not protesting the 233 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: state killing us, or going outside and risk dying from COVID. 234 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it means to be black in America. 235 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: You either die fast or you die slow, but you 236 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: die prematurely. And that's the ship that I'm talking about. 237 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: So that COVID ship is for me. I'm glad you 238 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: brought that up. Is so important to this conversation. And 239 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: you die alone and neither situations you die alone. Like 240 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: that's that's the cold, ugly part of it, right, And 241 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: that's you know, somebody said the other day that, but 242 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: COVID going on, and the unemployment level and everybody kind 243 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: of being restricted to home, basically all of these things 244 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: come together to make George Floyd's death undenying, right, Like 245 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: everybody's all at home at the same time, hit with 246 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: the same imagery with nothing to distract them. From it, right, 247 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: like all the things that you know, we're usually you know, 248 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: you come in seven eight o'clock, you're tired, you know 249 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, all of this ship and you're you're 250 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: not really paying attention to a lot of these things. 251 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: But now you're home your all day, there's nothing to 252 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: do but watch TV. And so you're flooded with this imagery, right, 253 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: and so there's nowhere to turn from it, right, You're 254 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: forced to look at it and deal with it. And 255 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's that's been one of the silver 256 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: the partially a silver lining to all of this ship 257 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with right now is the fact that 258 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: everybody all all over the world, right are dealing with 259 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: this in real time. Right. COVID is a situation, oh man, 260 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: but it gets cut off when it's not going crazy, 261 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: gets cut off. But where you at. Everybody made some 262 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: real good points about the COVID situation. Man, It just 263 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: it exacerbated what's going on with Black American man. And 264 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: and George Floyd, I say, it's like a perfect storm. 265 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Everything that happened here is a perfect storm. He's right. 266 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: And COVID. It started with COVID nineteen putting us in 267 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: our house, making us have to deal with trauma, deal 268 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: with fear, you know, deal with reality seeing these things 269 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: and and like you said, like he said, everybody had 270 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: to visually see this every day, and you know, and 271 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: then it was the anxiety of being inside. So some 272 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: people decided, you know, I'm gonna go outside because I'm 273 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: just tired of being the side and the only way 274 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: I can get outside to really do so just go protests. 275 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: So you've got the protest people that are of the protest. 276 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: You've got the people that just tied of be in 277 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: their house, that that's gonna go outside and protest. You've 278 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: got the people that said they looting, so I'm gonna 279 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: go outside and loop, you got, you got, you know, 280 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: You've got so many different dimensions, and it created a 281 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: perfect song. So you don't it don't matter who's there 282 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: for what. It's just thousands and hundreds and thousands of 283 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: millions of people every day constantly, and it's it's leading 284 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: the voice to the people who actually are their protests, 285 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: who actually been on the front lines doing it. So 286 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: being on the front line doing this for the last 287 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: nine ten years, I've realized that it takes that that's 288 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: what it takes. It takes, It takes a perfect song 289 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: and takes so many different people to have intersectional reasons 290 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: why you're here. We don't have to, Like I tell 291 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: people all the time, it's not about uniformity. It's about unity. 292 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: Unity and uniforms the same thing. Like we don't have 293 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: to have agree on everything. We just also gotta agree 294 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: that something need to change. You think it's in a change. 295 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: I think it's a change. All right, Let's let's figure 296 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: out how we're gonna change it. And that's where it 297 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: is right now. I think everybody who they don't care 298 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: about race, religious denomination, we all realized shit is fucked up. 299 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: You know. We we gotta get this ship changed. And 300 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, we all got to send the change. And 301 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm in different conversations or different zoom calls 302 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: in different rooms where it's really people creating ship that's 303 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: gonna I believe it's gonna make real change, because now 304 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that then we gottam more the ropes. 305 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: You know, the big the boogeyman is like the America 306 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: was this boogeyman, like you know, the police, like people 307 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: like people mad at me like, Yo, they get rioting 308 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: and you know, and you need to tell people to 309 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: be peaceful. And I'm like, what the funk I'm gonna 310 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: tell somebody to be peaceful. We we wee out here 311 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: changing every day, no justice, no peace, and we don't 312 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: get no justice. So why would I tell people to 313 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: be peaceful. You don't make sense. It don't coincide with 314 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: the struggle we've been having. You understand what I'm saying. 315 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, when you look 316 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: at this situation, you see that people out there doing 317 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: this every day. People are constantly out there every day. 318 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: Why are they doing it? It's because the ship is 319 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: fucked up for so many different people. Man in America 320 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: has failed. So we were there was this boogeyman, like 321 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: I was saying, the police. We were taught to be skinned. 322 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: You know. My grandmother said, you don't say don't talk 323 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: to you aloud the white man gonna hear you or 324 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: the police. Yeah, these kids don't have that fear. I'm 325 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: not putting their fear in them. They don't. They they 326 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: they um slavery and all that ship is. It's so 327 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: far removed from them. It's just something they hear about 328 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: we had little glympses. We had grandfathers who actually went 329 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: through slavery, who set us down, who you looked at 330 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: them and they showed you scars and they told me 331 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: it was in the wards and you can see the 332 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: pain in their face. So you you you internalized that. 333 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: My kids are not gonna internalize that. They're gonna hear 334 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: the stories, but they're gonna see their father, a free 335 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: black man who lives, who's willing to die for his 336 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: for his country, I mean, for his revolution, for his people, 337 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: who's willing to sit on the front line. And they're 338 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: gonna live their lives like that. And that's why these 339 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: kids are out there. I was in Minnesota when they 340 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: burnt down the police and they were throwing the kids. 341 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: Is they throwing They're shooting rubber bullets and these kids 342 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: just creating their own molotolk cocktails, throwing them Shi's back 343 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: like fun that they the tear gas in their odds. 344 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: They're going they wiping out pint milkin and they coming 345 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: right back. They wasn't running home because we would have 346 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: ran home before. As soon as they threw the the 347 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: tear gas, it was over for us. All right, We're 348 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: gonna come back another day. Nah. They was out there 349 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: for twenty four hours straight. The police had the one 350 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: out the police station. I watched them. They would throwing 351 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: molitole contols, the police shooting. They want to move next 352 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: to you know, the police. The overwhelmed, They overwhelmed and 353 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: they burned down the police station. This ship was This 354 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: is something that's never in. This resilience that these kids have, 355 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: These fearlessness that these kids have is the exact ingredients 356 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: that we need to really make change. Yeah, I want 357 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: to I want to add on first of all, that 358 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: the kid who bought they just arrested. The kid who 359 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: birthed out the police station. There was a white kid. Um. 360 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's an anti fascist or he's 361 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: just you know, uh, and I don't really know, but 362 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: but but yeah, he um, he definitely did that. My 363 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: my daughter. I had to watch my daughter on Instagram 364 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: out there with the people, and that was scary for 365 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: me because it's like it's my daughter. But then it's 366 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: like it's like, yo, she's just doing what I would 367 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: have did. Like I was with Dave Chappelle, he was talking. 368 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: I watched him talk to his son. He said he said, 369 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: he said, here's my son. He said, my son got 370 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: tear gas the other day in Datane, Ohio. So I'm 371 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: very proud of him, you know what I'm saying. So 372 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: it speaks to what you're speaking about about we we 373 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: cover from the generation where our parents try to protect 374 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: us because they've seen the horrors of what's going on, 375 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: and we're like, nah, funk that, get out there, but 376 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: do your thing. But I also wanted to add on 377 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: to the point you said about striking now while iron's hot. 378 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: You know, when when they had the Civil War, they 379 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: had a general who said, look, if you um come 380 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: and fight for Union Army, you get forty acres and 381 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: a MW. And obviously they never gave us that, and 382 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: obviously they reversed that. But the reason why the general 383 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: said that because he he realized that he needed to 384 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: compromise with the black people at that time. And now 385 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: we in one of those type of civil war moments. Um, 386 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: I would never say race war because I think that 387 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: it's only white supremacist that pushed the idea of race war. 388 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: That's not something that we've ever ever pushed. They like, 389 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: like the meme says, they lucky that we only want 390 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: a quality and not revenge, you know. But I did 391 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: write down some points because I've been talking with saying, 392 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: as you might saw, I'm been talking with different organizations 393 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: and have any different calls, and for me personally, these 394 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: are these are just without getting into the specifics, these 395 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: are the policy changes that I feel like the things 396 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: that we all could work for because like you said, 397 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: my son is it's about unity, not uniformity, and and 398 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: to figure out what we can all agree to push 399 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: together even if everybody on this particular call doesn't agree 400 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: with these points. These are things I wrote down that 401 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: I would like to see coming out this moment um 402 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: as as sort of a black agenda UM workers Rights 403 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: US making sure that we we support unions and support 404 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: the rights of workers because it's it's people who are 405 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: uh poor people of color who disproportionately get sucked up 406 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: by us not making sure that the workers are taken 407 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: care of. I think we should raise the federal federal 408 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: minimum wage. The federal minimum wage hasn't been raised since 409 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. UM. I think we need a Congressional 410 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: committee on reparations. I think now is the time there's 411 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: been a reparations bill. The HR forty build has been 412 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: flowing around for years. But because we have no Congressional 413 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: committee and we have no and the people in the 414 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: community are not pushing the politicians, it just sits there 415 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: in their lingers. Now it's the time to have the conversation. 416 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: If you if you look at Joe Biden's platform, he 417 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: mentions reparations on his platform, he wanted the only Democratic 418 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: senators that's not out of the ones who ran from 419 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: President who not, who did not his his so called 420 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: black agenda. Yeah, and his black agenda. He says that 421 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: he said, he describes the HR forty bill. He says, 422 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: I will support this bill, but he doesn't name the bill. 423 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: So what he's trying to do, he's trying to say, like, 424 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: I'll be down for reparations is if y'all are. But 425 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: he not really really putting putting his weight behind that 426 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: that thing. But I think we can, we can, we 427 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: can move the Democrats on that issue. It is real quick, 428 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: car before interrupt, you remember HR forty is not a 429 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: bill for reparations. To study it. That's why, so he 430 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: won't even acknowledge that he's willing to study it. I mean, 431 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: that's what they ain't even ask him that much. Right, Well, 432 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: that's what he's that's the thing, like he's doing it, 433 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: but he's being slick with it. If you go to 434 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: his page, it says, I'm down to support a bill 435 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: that would support the study of reparations, but that real 436 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: already exists and and going there ain't going nowhere. So 437 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: that's why that's why I'm saying that the Congressional commission. 438 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: And I say that with a greater stort because my 439 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: history tells me that even with a congressional commission, because 440 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: we still have a long it's still a long shot, 441 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: but it's it's a step pass. Where is that now? Um? 442 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: Um defund the police? You know, I feel like the people, 443 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: the movement from Black Lives Everybody's have done the work 444 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: to explain why we need to defund the police. Um. 445 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: There's an American Housing and Economic Mobility Act that that 446 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: analysts say, if this act has passed, it will it will, 447 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: it will wipe out some of the racial disparities and housing. UM. 448 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: I do believe we need medicare for all, specifically for 449 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: the reasons that mark outline we're talking about COVID outlines 450 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: how it COVID affects black people just proportionately. I think 451 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: now more than ever, we can make the case for 452 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: medicare for all. And I think we should abolish the 453 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: electoral college. I feel like with the electoral college and 454 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: money in politics, we can't get political parties, we can't 455 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: have third party, we can't have the real, real, real, 456 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: uh political power we need. And lastly, I think we 457 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: should work on together charging the United States with genocide. 458 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: People have tried it before, Paul Robots and have tried it. 459 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: There's a group of young teenagers out of Chicago that 460 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: tried it. But I feel like if we have the 461 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: UN again, the U and it's not uh, it's not 462 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: a legislative body because we won't get no money out 463 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: of that. It'll just be uh sort of a finger 464 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: a finger wagon. But if we if we get that 465 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: fingerwagon on paper, we then helps our case. We go 466 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: to the federal government, if if we're working within that 467 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: system to try to get reparations, it absolutely will help 468 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: our case reparations. And I think we need to we 469 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: need to build. Like my man J. Morrison always says, 470 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: we need to build a nationality. We don't have a flag, 471 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: we don't have our own nationality. And that's why it's 472 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: harder for us to be reparations because they're like, who 473 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna give it to? You know, we have to 474 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: we have to identify so because black American, you know, black, 475 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: it's not it's not a nationality. It's not nothing under 476 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: one band. So we have to come together and get 477 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: somewhere to sponsor us as this is who we h 478 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 1: this is our flag, this is who we are, and 479 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: this is what we need for us to get reparations. 480 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: That's the problem with so many people are like, how 481 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: do you how you gave me right? That's one of 482 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: the things we've got to play with. So, um, all 483 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: right Obama? Right? Do we feel like Obama didn't really 484 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: correct police? Do you feel like he he could have 485 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: did a lot more when it came to police, because 486 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: I feel like Trump is doing whatever funk he wants 487 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to police, right, he's standing behind him. 488 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: I feel like Obama could have did the pretty much 489 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: the opposite and like really fine, got somebody, no go 490 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: go to j am I bucking like do you like? 491 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: I mean? So I went to I went to a 492 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: meeting about this at the White House with Obama and 493 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: a bunch of rappers and it was Nicki Minaj push up. 494 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: T Rick Ross was there with an ankle bracelet on. 495 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: It was it was you know, bust A Rounds was 496 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: kicking five percent of knowledge and all that um and 497 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: and before I, before I talked about the meeting, I 498 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: want to mention we we big up Kim Kardashian for 499 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: pushing Trump on on prison reform and lets some people 500 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: out and and Trump did absolutely do that. But I 501 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: don't think that we should give him props for that 502 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: because he did it like bund was saved for the optics. 503 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: Jonald Trump, he ran on a law and order campaign 504 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: when those when those right, when those people ran out 505 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: there to protest, he called them thugs and said, police, 506 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: you should shoot those people if they take property. You 507 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Donald Trump, when he was a 508 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: campaign and he went to the police, police Police Miss 509 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: Benevolent Association and spoke in front of him and said, 510 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: when you have a suspect and you pushing him in 511 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: the car, rub him up a little bit, right. So 512 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: this is a fascist. This is someone who says that 513 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: the police you have the right to to to to 514 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: disrespect your right to not care about you. So the 515 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: idea that he's releasing I don't give him props for that. 516 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: Obama he wanted to make his campaign about police reform. 517 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: He wanted to seem like the president that released people. 518 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: So history of the history books will tell you Obama 519 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: released more more prisoners than anybody now. Obama also, I 520 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: don't agree with him on immigration. I think he has 521 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: a lot I think his drone strikes the way. There's 522 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of criticisms can be made 523 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: about Obama and his an his administration, but I think 524 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: when it comes to his goal as a president was 525 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: to try to try to be the criminal justice reform president. 526 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: And I will say, as someone I went, I took. 527 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: I took a lot of talking points from activists, from 528 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: my most radical activist friends on police reconstruction and police reform, 529 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: if you want to call it that. When I went 530 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: into that meeting with Obama, then I gotta say the 531 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: brother smart, he crosses his eyes, he dots his teas, 532 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: he said things in that meeting that I thought that me, 533 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: as an active as I was gonna have to bring 534 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: to the table. And Obama and his team got to 535 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: the table. So when it comes to the work when 536 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: it come to the academic work of being down with 537 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: criminal justice reform and being down with police reform. I 538 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: believe that Obama and to a large degree, most of 539 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: the establishment Democrats, they know the language, they talk the language, 540 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: but a lot of them is just for optics. I 541 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: feel like for Obama is more close to his heart 542 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: because he's actually a black man with the name Baraq. 543 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: Who's say in Obama. But essentially, you know, the Republicans 544 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: became the party of obstruction. So even though Obama did 545 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: everything right, the Republicans made sure that they were gonna 546 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: say no to everything that he did. When you when 547 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: you when you just even look at prison reform, right 548 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: and you talk about how they talked about how Trump 549 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: let some people out and this, and that Obama commuted 550 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: more presidents, more people than the last five or six, seven, 551 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: eight presidents combined. And that's only because when he was 552 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: trying to pretty much let all non non violent offenders 553 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 1: out of prison, they blocked that. So he had to 554 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: do that. So these are things that people don't know 555 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: that He's like, oh, Obama, no, they blocked he was 556 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: trying to let he was trying to old drug offenders. 557 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: He was trying to get them all out of prison, 558 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: like all of it was. He didn't want none of 559 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: them in jail, you know what I'm saying. So when 560 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: you look at this prison reform that Trump has done, 561 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: and people said, oh, look he let this amount of 562 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: people out the jail, Oh do to build that truth 563 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: that Obama was trying to get out with let everything 564 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: they would have been on you know what I'm saying. 565 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: So he gave you a fraction of what Obama was 566 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: getting to trying to tell you he did something because 567 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: he had the party who was in control to make 568 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: those those changes. How about how about you more? You know, 569 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: I've been an Obama critic. Um, I think that, I mean, 570 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: Trump is a whole different animal. So it's almost that 571 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: it's you can't even compare him to anything else, you know, 572 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: like they're good presidents, is bad presidents. Trump's like not 573 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: even like that. He's like a different thing. It's like 574 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: a different sport, like a different creature of different being. Um. 575 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: I think that Obama at the federal level as he 576 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: was leaving especially made some important moves uh cash bail 577 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: and the federal system gone um private privatized prisons gone, 578 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: these things that that the felony thing with that voting 579 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: as a felony right right, being able to fell trying 580 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: to vote right exactly. I mean, he's a major These 581 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: are abolitionist moves, you know. Now, obviously it's president. That's 582 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: all he can do. He can't most people were jail 583 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: on the state level. What's he been prison on the 584 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: state level, So he can't deal people who doing state time, 585 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: only people doing fair times. So he did what he 586 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: could at that level. Do I wish he could have 587 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: done more. Yes, So I wish she had said more 588 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: yes there Obama. One of the challenge for Obama for 589 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: me was that he played the game as if everybody 590 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: was playing by the same rules. It's like if you're 591 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: negotiating and you say, look, I want to, I want to, 592 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: I want five, so I'm gonna ask for ten, they're 593 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: gonna offer zero and wouldn't meet in the middle. Republicans, 594 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: He'll be Obama will come and say, look, let's just 595 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: say five, and you know, and even like they were 596 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: like all right, two point five, they're like zero and 597 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: before you know, this thing number one, right, And that's 598 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: how bills go. Republicans just played by different rules because, 599 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: like Qualitie said, they were Party of obstruction. Their goal 600 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: wasn't to get lost passed. They would have stopped everything 601 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: from happening. And so there were moments of Obama was 602 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: too careful where he tried to thread the meet needle, 603 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: where he tried to say, well, black people feel like 604 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: this and white people feel like this, and acting as 605 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: if they're opposite side of the same coin. Obama didn't 606 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: speak to black pain in the Obama didn't speak to 607 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: black suffering enough, and Obama didn't put a spotlight on 608 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: black misery enough. But again, if we're comparing it to 609 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: Trump or Bush or anybody else, right, I mean, but 610 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: but I mean, it's like I almost don't want to 611 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: compare him to that because it seems unfair, you know, 612 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: even compared to Clinton, he's a step above, right, because Clinton, 613 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: again not just three strikes, not just welfare reform, not 614 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: just Cryme Bill, but also the prison Litigation Reformat, which 615 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: is the act that made it difficult for prisoners to 616 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: fight their own cases, that made it hard to be 617 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: a jail house lawyer, that made it hard to file appeals, um, 618 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: all these things. So Democrats have a long history of 619 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: building this stuff with Republicans. Obama pushed back against some 620 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: of it, but no, he did not go hard enough. 621 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: Right when he says, when Henry Lewis Gates, and professor 622 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: at Harvard, gets locked in front of his house and 623 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: he goes he and he says, the Alphas have behaved stupidly, 624 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: that's a great moment. But it's easy to speak out 625 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: when it's uh, you know what I mean, when it's 626 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: a Harvard professor, Skip Gates, right, when Skip Gates is easy. 627 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: But I need you to speak out when when when 628 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: it's Shakekwon Jenkins, right, I need you to speak out 629 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: when somebody don't know abou you know, when it's somebody 630 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: who might have weed in a system, When it's somebody 631 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: who might have a criminal record, they still don't deserve 632 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: to die or go to jail for excessive time. Who right, 633 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: all right? Who don't write? So so that's my point. 634 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: So so I need that's what I need Obama to 635 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: speak out against. And he didn't, you know, And that's 636 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,239 Speaker 1: my that's my exact same cutique Mark I said all 637 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: the time, Obama never had a real position. To me, 638 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: it was like he wanted to be liked by everybody, 639 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: and and and and that's the thing about Trump. He 640 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: don't give a funk if we like him, because hells 641 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: for somebody, you know what I'm saying. He here, he 642 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: knows who got him in office, and he's gonna make 643 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: sure that they comfortable, even if he lose whatever. He looks. 644 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: This wall is going up. You don't know for how 645 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: mad you get. He promises people, this wall is going up. 646 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: And he's gonna keep talking about this wall. He's gonna 647 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: keep something mother ship. He's gonna keep talking about how 648 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: we need to beat each other's ass. He is the 649 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: lowing order president, the mother wall. I thought he gave 650 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: the wall up. That man still he ain't give that 651 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: wall up. He's still toalking. They're gonna get that wall. 652 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: He's still got funded. They got a bunch of money 653 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: to build the wall. They need the press of building something. 654 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: But the reality situation that he never stopped. He's played 655 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: to his base every time, and Obama didn't rile us up. 656 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: It was time. He's ready to ride with Obama. He 657 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: just want him thing said this, we would have turn 658 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: this bitch out. And thats Democrats in general too. Obama 659 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 1: as a leader. That's what it's been a crash up. 660 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: He was weary, Now, what do we do now? What 661 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: did we do right now? For you know, the people 662 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: with the last selection, with the lesser evils, with the 663 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: Hillary and and things like that. It's people feeling like 664 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: that about Joe Biden. Joe Biden put out a black 665 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: a gender. A lot of people thought it was blaying 666 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people thought it was just generic and 667 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: Jomp don't have a black and he said, and he said, 668 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: you ain't black if you don't like, don't like what 669 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And you know, he's trying to say 670 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: he's trying to take promping so much of a racist, 671 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: he's the best exactly, saying like I'm the lesser of 672 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: the better evil like these are people I know where 673 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: I spoke to Killer Michael. Killer Mike was saying a 674 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: lot of our local elections is more important than these 675 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: major elections, like right right people and too as opposed 676 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: to what do you guys say to everyone? So for me, 677 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm someone who has publicly publicly said in the past 678 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: that I don't vote, and I gave what I believed 679 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: at the time to be very sound reasons. Um, I 680 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: don't believe in electric college. I don't believe in money 681 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: in politics. There was I don't, I don't. I'm not 682 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: inspired by any of these candidates. I don't feel like 683 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: a candidate that would speak to me even has a shot. 684 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: So I chose to opt out of the system. But 685 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: I felt comfortable in my decision because I was also 686 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: doing plenty of activist work. So I was like, Okay, 687 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm not voting, but I also do work on this level. 688 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: I personally, as I've grown as a man, changed my 689 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: stance on voting, particularly when I read about how Malcolm 690 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: x Link Malcolm is my hero, or when I worry 691 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: about how Malcolm changing stands of voting to being like, 692 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, I don't, I don't. I don't vote for 693 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: Democrats over public can to too, and he made very 694 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: various toute criticisms of both parties to then working with 695 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: Adam Clay and Powell to get the Black vote in Harlem, 696 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: to galvanize the Black vote and vote together as a block, 697 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: to use to vote the same way that other communities 698 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: have used to vote when there's Italian community to Jewish communities. 699 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: So now I shifted my thinking on it. I grew 700 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: on it and I got older. But because I was 701 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: once one of those people who was like fun voting, 702 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: I never ever ever shame someone who says that they 703 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: don't vote. I don't shame someone for being so disheartened 704 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: by the system that they be like that system doesn't 705 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: represent me. You know, I still believe that a person 706 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: like that has good work that they can do. I 707 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: do not believe that voting, the active voting by itself 708 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: makes you an activist or make sure a revolutionary. It doesn't. 709 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: I do understand the politics of of how the Electoral 710 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: College makes it so that a vote me voting Democrat 711 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: in New York doesn't hold the same weight as somebody 712 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: voting Democrat in Ohio. So I understand all of it. 713 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: But I still what I say is like I say, 714 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: it's like, look, if you're gonna play the game, lay 715 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: it right. If you choose not to play that game, 716 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not gonna show up in the NFL 717 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: and try to play by NBA rules and wonder why 718 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm losing. Right. So if you, if you choose to 719 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: remove yourself from the system, then you better show me 720 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: your activists work, show me the work that you're doing 721 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: outside of the system to bring the system down, to 722 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: break the status quote. And if you're not doing that work, 723 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: all you're doing is fucking complaining. Now, if you're somebody 724 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: who says, you know what, I'm willing to try to 725 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: work within this system to try to create change, then 726 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: you've got to acknowledge the reality reality the system. If 727 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: you're somebody that says, I want reparations, but I'm not 728 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: giving you my vote, and I'm a single issue voter 729 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: and I'm not doing anything. It's reparations now, I don't 730 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: care about the study. I don't care reparation now you're 731 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: not getting my vote. Well, you don't understand how the 732 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: system works. It's it's an exchange. You're saying they should 733 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: exchange to, but you ain't offer ship to exchange them with. 734 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: They don't. They don't need you for the system to work. 735 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: So I think people, and it's just my opinion here, 736 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: I think people who say that I'm gonna protest vote 737 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: for I'm gonna write in, I'm gonna vote Green Party. 738 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do all this to me, I respect it. 739 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: If that's a moral stance you're taken. But the math, 740 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: the math shows me that if you if you don't 741 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: vote Democrat or Republican, if you choose to vote in 742 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: the system for the president, then what you're doing is 743 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: you're making sure that the winner wins. Like whoever wins, 744 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: that's who you helped out. That's just what the math 745 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: shows me. So if you're comfortable with the fact that 746 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: your protest vote or your third party vote, even though 747 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: in a in a fair perfect world, yeah I see im, 748 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: I see it. And in a fair perfect world, I 749 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: think that voting on our conscience is what everybody should 750 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: be doing. But I think that if you you were 751 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: going to say, you know what, I'm going to play 752 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: by their rules in this situation, then you have to 753 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: acknowledge the math. And in a presidential election, I don't 754 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: think those rules applied to more local elections. You can 755 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: win a Green Party mayor see right, right, right, whatever. 756 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: I think as somebody who's voted Green the last four elections, 757 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: last or presidential elections, you know, and look, I get 758 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 1: held on Twitter every day from that. But the brother 759 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: you also fly to Palestine to do the work like you. 760 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I ain't got no shame 761 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: about it, you know, I know I'm doing the best 762 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: I can, but you know, I think that I think 763 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: it's it's about strategically voting right. Right now, you can 764 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: say the country is on fire and the best thing 765 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: we could do to put it out is to get 766 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump out. I think that's a legitimate argument. And 767 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: somebody would say voting green makes that harder to happen. 768 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 1: I can understand that too, and those were the six 769 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: and two thousand sixteen that I understood that too. So 770 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: what I did in two thousand and sixteen was I 771 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: voted green because you're right, the math doesn't work that 772 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: Green could win. But but if we got five percent 773 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: of the vote, what we would then get is federal 774 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: funding for the next election, so that now we could 775 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: be competitive because Democrats get tens of millions of dollars, 776 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: Republicans get tens of millions of dollars just for existing 777 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: don't So if we get five percent to vote, we 778 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: get the same money they get, and now we can 779 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: really fight. So the goal was to get five percent, 780 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: So how do I get the five percent without giving 781 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: up the country to Trump? So what a lot of 782 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: us did was vote trading. So for example, like you 783 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: mentioned New York. If I called my home in New 784 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: York and say, look, I need you, I need you 785 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: to vote green because it don't Hillary gonna win. I'm 786 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, so I'll vote for Hillary in Pennsylvania, but 787 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: you gotta vote green in New York. Right, call somebody 788 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 1: in Texas. Trump gonna win Texas no matter what. Trump 789 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: won't win Mississippi no matter what. So you vote, vote, 790 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, vote your conscience in safe states, vote strategically 791 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: in contested states. That's a way where you can. You 792 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: can split the middle right, you can you can get 793 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: the votes that you need to win the election and 794 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: keep Trump out, and you can protect the part that 795 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,959 Speaker 1: the third party vote. And that's what I was trying 796 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: to do. The problem is when I say, look, I'm 797 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: voting for Jill Stein, you know, and I don't acknowledge 798 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: the strategy behind it as much, then what people do 799 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: is for the next four years they vote, shame you 800 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: and act like you the reason that that people lost, 801 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: which sucks me up for other reasons because like my 802 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: state Pennsylvania, Trump won by forty six thousand votes. There 803 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: was two hundred and thirty six thousand black people who 804 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: didn't vote at all me, it's too we should be 805 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: mad at the people to vote for Trump and the 806 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: people who didn't vote. See now, I'm glad I'm having 807 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: this conversation because you know, my my criticism um for 808 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: people who would do follow your strategy has always been 809 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: what you're saying. What you're saying sounds good, But if 810 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: you're only saying that three months out of a presidential election, 811 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: if you're only if you're only critical of the system 812 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: when it's time to vote for president because it's all 813 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: on the news, then you I don't want to hear 814 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I'm I'm down. I think we 815 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,479 Speaker 1: need money out of politics. I think we need to 816 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: abolish your electoral college, and I think we need to 817 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: abolish a two party system. I'm down. I'm down to 818 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: follow the lead. I'm I don't know the research, and 819 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: I'm not putting myself in that space. I'm not I'm 820 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: not out here doing that work. I'm not out here 821 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 1: doing the work to abolish the electoral college. I never 822 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: even me saying it to y'all as as something I 823 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: feel like we could push. Now it's the first time 824 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: I've even thought critically of how it can possibly be done. 825 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: But I appreciate real activists like you Mark, people who 826 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: do the work outside of the election cycle. If you're 827 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: not working, if you're not working within the four years 828 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: to abolish the electric college, to get people to to 829 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: raise a candidate that might run green and run at 830 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: third party, to raise a candidate from the activist community, 831 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: and like that's that's really what it is is to 832 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: work the step before and after election day. That I 833 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: feel like, it's what makes me respect somebody if they're 834 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: gonna vote with their conscious. I hear that, I feel 835 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: the same way. I feel the same way another end, everyone, 836 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: just and say something something last you know what I mean, 837 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: thank you all for being here. Man. I want to 838 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: thank you man. You know, whenever you call him there 839 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: ain'ting make it up. But ahead I got my yeah, 840 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: like what I wanted. Like what he said was very important. Man. 841 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: You know a lot of these organizations have been compromised 842 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: because they take money from the corporations. We can't fight 843 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: the people that's funding us, you know, And that's what 844 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: until freedom doesn't want to be That's that's what we've 845 00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: built ourselves on on being that institution that is funded 846 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: by us. So we can our voices can always be pure, 847 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: so we can say the ship that we need to 848 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: say that we can call out whoever, we can fight 849 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: against whoever, you know. So that's why we don't take 850 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: corporation money. We don't want, we don't never want. We 851 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: want our people to fund us, you know. So we 852 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: don't call it. We don't call it donation, as we 853 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: call it investments. You know, we we we we want 854 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: you to invest in your own freedom and you believe 855 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: in what we believe in. If you believe that we're 856 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: fighting the manner that you want, if you want to 857 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: connect with us, you know, investing that we have to 858 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: invest in our own because that's the only way to 859 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: keep our voices, you know, to keep our voices pure 860 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: and be able to say what the funk we want 861 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: to say, you know, to me, it was able to 862 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: make that speech because we're not funded by anybody, because 863 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, when she was at Women's March with certain ships, 864 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: she couldn't say because there was different people, you know, 865 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: corporations and things that were behind it. So we we 866 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: understood that we made those mistakes before, those mistakes that 867 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 1: we don't want to do again. We gotta fund our 868 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: own movements. We can't ask anybody else to do it. 869 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: We can't think that it's gonna happen without funding our 870 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: movements because the reality situation is the people on the 871 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: opposite Trump is being funded by billionaires, you know they 872 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: and they have an agenda and they're funding it and 873 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: they're making sure that is you know, they there is concentrated. 874 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: So we have to do the same thing. So that's 875 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: what we're doing until freedom and and we we can 876 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: ask everybody to invest, invest in us and support us. 877 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: Has got something, don't worry about that. So on you. Well, 878 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: first of all, thank you Nori UM. To watch your 879 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: growth as a person as an artist has always been 880 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: inspirational to me as well. And you're one of my 881 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: favorite people out here. Are you're using your platform for 882 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: good and we appreciate you for that, UM, and you 883 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: represent the best of us. You know what I'm saying. 884 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate you for that. UM. You know, I think 885 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: when my son is doing is very important because as 886 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: an artist, I've learned from doing this type of work 887 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 1: that as artists we are the son, moon and stars 888 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: of our universe. Everything revolves around us. Everything that we 889 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: is as as as successful artists, people who are blessed 890 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: to be able to do it for a living. It 891 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: in order for us to get to this point. In 892 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, people in our life just gotta 893 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: trust us and listen to us and follow our lead 894 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,479 Speaker 1: for our our our artistic vision. But with activists work, 895 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: it's not about that. And with being a good what 896 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: I've learned being a good ally to activists is that 897 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: it's my job as an artist with a platform to 898 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: uplift the people who already doing the work. So when 899 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: you have artists like my son who has his his 900 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: his experience as as as a man in New York City, 901 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: as a Black man in New York City, and then 902 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: his experience as an artist, and he brings it to 903 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: the table for organization organization like until Freedom, I feel 904 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: like that's the right work to do. When I when 905 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: I when when I when I see him uplift to 906 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: make an uplift until Freedom, That's what gets me excited. 907 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: I like, I like to shout out black visions in 908 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,040 Speaker 1: Minneapolis and reclaim the block of Minneapolis and movement of 909 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: black lives. Because I see a lot of people from 910 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: different organizations did I rock with personally coalescing under the 911 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: Movement for Black Lives um agenda and you know, and 912 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: I just you know, I'm I'm happy that we can 913 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: do this. And I also think that the next time 914 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: we do this next week, we I'm glad we had Russell, 915 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: but we definitely have to have a woman's voice as 916 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: well the next time we sit down to have this conversation. Yes, yes, 917 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: and that and then with you, Bro, you have used 918 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: with me this whole time. Bro, Man, thank you Mark, 919 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: thank you, Bro. You help me out this whole time. 920 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: I figured, you know, my man e F and I 921 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: we're gonna get political. Um, I said, Man, what a 922 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: what a what a great host soul I could have? Right, Man, 923 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: it's a blessing to bear with you. Man, I'm I'm 924 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: glad you're doing it because you ain't got to do this, 925 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But but again, uh like 926 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,760 Speaker 1: quality said man, your growth and yea yeah, your commitment 927 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: to us matters, you know what I mean? And salute 928 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: to my song to work he's doing. We all need 929 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: to support him, donate to him, push him. We need 930 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: to support quality. Invest invests exactly. That's that's the right language. Now, 931 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: you're right investing in US, and that's all I got 932 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: to say. Let's keep investing in US. Man. We got 933 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: a short term vision and a long term vision. Short 934 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: term vision is to put these fires out. The short 935 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: term vision is to get these officers, was to get 936 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: these officers arrested. The short term visions to get Trump 937 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: at out of out of the White House. But the 938 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: long term vision has to be just as important. We 939 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: can't fight for warmer and fuzzier prisons. We got to 940 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 1: fight for a world without them. We can't fight for 941 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,479 Speaker 1: police officers that shoot jump shots with us. We gotta 942 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 1: fight for a world without policing. We have to have 943 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: a world that is reimagined. We have to use what 944 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: we call a radical imagination. So I encourage everybody to 945 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: struggle in the short term to use voting not as 946 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: a as a as a silver bullet, or as as 947 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: as a as a as a fetish, but to use 948 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: voting as a tactic among overall strategy of victory for 949 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: for for for oppressed people. And that means we gotta organize, 950 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: We gotta read, we gotta we gotta invest in each other, 951 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: we gotta believe in each other. We gotta not throw 952 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: each other away. We gotta hold each other accountable. You know, 953 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: we gotta people go on to listen and finow the 954 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: lead of women, it and transfer and queer for I mean, 955 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: all this has to be part of the conversation because 956 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: if we don't do that, then we're not gonna be free. 957 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: So I'm in with just three words, man, and Robin Kelly, 958 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: the great historian, use these three words a lot, love, study, struggle. 959 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,879 Speaker 1: We gotta do all three. We gotta let a ship 960 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: out of each other. We gotta study. We can't just 961 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: go out here talking. We got to learn, and we 962 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,879 Speaker 1: got to struggle. You might struggle on the front lines. 963 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,800 Speaker 1: You might struggle on the picket line. You might struggle 964 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: in your rhymes. You might struggle with your platform. You 965 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: might struggle through your donations, you might struggle through your vote. 966 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: But we got to struggle. If we love, study and struggle, 967 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna be all right. All right, Well, thank you 968 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: all very much. Man. Oh yeah, Man, really appreciate this. 969 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: I want to drink chat more favorite uh more serious 970 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 1: episode ever, man, And I take I take pride and 971 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: and and doing that. Man. I didn't drink the whole episode, 972 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: not because I didn't want to have I did because 973 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to have fun, but I wanted to 974 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: let people know that I could actually do this as well. 975 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: And I down, you know, and I hope that's the champion. 976 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 1: That's champion, part of the chaps. Yeah, we so thank you, 977 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: but we're all going to do this in person again 978 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: and when it comes together, definitely. Y'all, y'all to you 979 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: to thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, 980 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: hosted by Yours truly, d J e f N and 981 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: n O R E. 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