1 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: We're welcome you to the Otti Titans Podcast. It is 2 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: officially the MAC and three version of the OTP, which 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: means that Amy Wells is here. Hello, mate, Jim White 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: from Titans Online dot Com is here, and Titans Radios 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis is here. He is the Macy Keith. Thank you. 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: Couldn't be could not be more proud. All right, preseason 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: coming to an end. I want to hit you guys 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: with something that I just found on the way down here. 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: Arthur Blank owns the Atlanta Falcons. Ye talk to ESPN. 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Actually not long ago, I think earlier today. It's Arthur 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Blank on the preseason. I think four games is not necessary. 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: We need some preseason games for talent evaluation, for sure, 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: with our first and second year players and develop mental players, 14 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: players who are free agents coming into our scheme. The 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Vets need some of that, but not a whole lot 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: of it. So I think we can do it with 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: less preseason games. I think the world of the NFL 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: would be a happier place from all perspectives. End quote. 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: That's Arthur Blank, Dave McGinnis. Arthur Blank is a pretty 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: influential owner. Well he's an owner's yeah, But I mean, 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: he's also one who speaks on a lot of issues 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: and on committees and things of that sort. So the 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: fact that he's talking to ESPN and has said this 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: publicly what we have believed to be the case for 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: some time among ownership, is that an indication that ownership 26 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: is that a trial balloon, that ownership is pushing to 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: shorten the preseason or does it mean anything? What means something? Okay, 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: it absolutely means something. And getting not to believe with 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: the point. I've been a head coach. I've been in 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: meetings where it's just been the head coach and the owners, 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: and when one owner speaks, it's normally I mean, that's 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: a very tight group. I mean that's a very tight group. 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: It's a very exclusive group. And you know, very seldom 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: does somebody go out in Maverick on their own. I 35 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: have no idea what the background of this is, but 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: clearly he feels very strongly about it, and I would 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: be surprised if others don't feel strongly about it. All right, 38 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: let's take it from another perspective, Jim White, you've covered 39 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: this league for a long time. You hear something like 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: that from a reporter's point of view, What do you think? Well, 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of music to my ears, 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because I think it's a question, 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: this is how do you get there? Because you can't 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: just drop two preseason games and have a two game, 45 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: sixteen game season. I just don't think that's ever gonna fly. 46 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: You have to add two regular season tell and tell 47 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: people why you believe that, why you can't go sixteen 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: in two. I think from a financial standpoint, you know, 49 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: you're giving back so much money. You know, the owners, 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: you know as well as the player is giving back 51 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: so much money to play in two less games, and 52 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: the and the gate that you're going to get from 53 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: having an additional home game on your schedule. The league's 54 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: changed so much of the years. I mean, coach Mac 55 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: knows as far better than I do, because he's been 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: around the game for so long, I mean just since 57 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I've been around. You know the way these games are played, 58 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: and you're trying to build your players up to get 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: ready for like the dress rehearsal in the third preseason game, 60 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: that's not even Happeningmore guys are now playing less and 61 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: less snaps. The fourth preseason game is pretty much all 62 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: for back ups. I think the evaluation is over at 63 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: that point. You're ready to make roster moves, but you 64 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: still have to find a way to get through these games. 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: And you see a guy like Lamar Millie get hurt, 66 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: and it reminds everybody of what you can lose in 67 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: the preseason. So I'd love to see a situation where 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: it's knocked down to two preseason games. I just I 69 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: guess I'll believe it when I see it, just because 70 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm here see how it's gonna work. What do you 71 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: take from the fact that a prominent owner says this 72 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: in an interview. I think you've probably had conversation with 73 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: other owners and he's not on an island by making 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: a comment like that, Amy Wells, You've been in the 75 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: league for nine years, You've been around NFL meetings, You've 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: been to owners meetings. When you hear something like that, 77 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: how does it strike you? It doesn't really move the 78 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: needle that much. I think that this is a conversation 79 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: that has been going on for a while. Every owner's meetings. 80 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: There's something on the itinerary that's addressing the preseason, talking 81 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: about whether or not they're going to change it. Well, 82 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: how they're going to rework it. I feel like this 83 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: is a conversation that's been happening for a while. I 84 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: agree with Jim Wyatt. It's how do you transition out 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: of the current model into something different without losing that revenue, 86 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: sacrificing a lot of the evaluation period and some of 87 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: the things that you still need. I think that there 88 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: is a desire across the league, in a variety of 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: different capacities, to change the way the preseason looks. I 90 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: think that now the hurdle is figuring out how to 91 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: get there. But I mean having an owner, even a 92 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: prominent owner like Arthur Blank, talk about how he wants 93 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: to see a change to the preseason, it's something that 94 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: has been floating around the league for a while. In 95 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: my opinion. Well, I think Amy's absolutely right. I mean 96 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: that this has been floated out there and and and 97 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: and it is going to be And Jim's absolutely correct too. 98 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: It's going to be about the financial aspect of it. 99 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: That's what it is. Whether you add two more playoff games, 100 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: which is more television revenue, whether you put two open dates, 101 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: which now you've got eighteen weeks of football on television. 102 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: You know, all of that stuff is all of that 103 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: stuff is real because you got you realize this too 104 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: in the in the in the current format that we're doing. 105 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: You know, players are not paid their salary in postseason games. 106 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: You know, players are paid a bonus, a bonus and so. 107 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know what the numbers are as far 108 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: as the television revenue, how that divides up when the 109 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: next when the next negotiations are up, But the money 110 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: aspect of it is going to control all of it, 111 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: not all of it, major part of it. I think 112 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: the next TV discussion is a year after the CBA 113 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: gets done, So it would seem like, if I'm not mistaken, 114 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty two. So you would need to get 115 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: with the players, the ownership, and the players, figure out 116 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: what everybody's going to be for, get the new CBA 117 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: in place, and then attack your TV next knowing what 118 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: everybody will have agreed to do at that point. I 119 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: think you're you're a hundred percent right and what everybody 120 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: would be for, because again, when they get into those 121 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: meetings with the CBA, I mean I've been through I've 122 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: been through two work stoppages in this league. In my 123 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: time in this league, and it's always about the pot 124 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: of money and how it's divided up, So to know 125 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: what you would go through, what's the pot going to 126 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: be first, that's going to be first and foremost. If 127 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: there's anything about this that moves the needle for me personally, 128 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: it's the timing of it, given that the CBA is 129 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: about to expire and they're having talks exactly so the 130 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: fact that this is already going on, the players Union 131 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: is starting to siphon through some of the things that 132 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: they want to change in the new agreement. I think 133 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: that that is a little bit interesting and that that 134 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: could maybe expedite some of these conversations about what we 135 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: want to look like going forward. But if you're adding 136 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: more games that matter, the players Union is going to 137 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: have a lot to say about that and a lot 138 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: of different things to negotiate in terms of compensation and 139 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: health and safety and all of that kind of stuff, 140 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: because it's going to be more wear and tear on 141 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: their bodies. So I think that now is a time 142 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: that they're going to start talking about these things a 143 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: little more seriously, maybe, but it's gonna be a while 144 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: before I think we see any real changes. Yeah, and 145 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: from an evaluation standpoint, you lose two preseason games. But 146 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: I think what teams are going to and we've seen 147 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: it throughout the league as you practice against one another, 148 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: just like the practice against the Patriots. I think that 149 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: was a fun week and it was a great week 150 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: to evaluate your players against some other players from another team. 151 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: Just do that a couple of times during the preseason 152 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: or during training camp, and I think you're gonna get 153 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: more than you would during a preseason game. To be 154 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: honest with you, Tay, what's jumped out to me. So 155 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: the fact that Arthur Blank would come out and be 156 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: this direct, I don't think it means something is imminent, 157 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: but I think it's interesting that he would choose to 158 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: do this because normally ownership has bobbed and weaved about 159 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: being specific. They said, well, we know we need to 160 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: change something, but he was somewhat specific, So I think 161 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: that's interesting. The other thing that's interesting to me, too, Jim, 162 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: is several national media folks, prominent people have started to 163 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: soften their stance about and expand ended regular season and 164 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: a shortened preseason, which oftentimes tells you that they hear 165 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: something is going on. Because they're like everybody else. They 166 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: don't want to be wrong when it all comes down. 167 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: They they want to have been in a position where 168 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: they are talking no matter what their personal you know, 169 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: the hardened fast, no way in hell this is happening, 170 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: and you're you're not hearing all that the same way 171 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: you were. Even some of the quote unquote hardliners about 172 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: it seem to have softened. Well, that's an interesting observation 173 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: because that is what people do in the media when 174 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: when they've had people in their ear a little bit, 175 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: they do soften their stance because they want to be 176 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: on the right side of that and they don't want 177 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: to dig in and end up being wrong. So question 178 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: is who are they talking to and how much cloud 179 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: to those people have. Well, it's funny. I give you 180 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: an example in my own life. So I'm doing a 181 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: talk show in the summer of nineteen ninety three, and 182 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: I went on the radio and I said, there is 183 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: no possible way that Peyton Manning is going to pick 184 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: the University of Tennessee. There is no chance. His father 185 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: hated Tennessee, everybody associated with him hated Tennessee. I said, 186 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: there is no possible way get off the air. At 187 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: seven o'clock, the hot line rings in our office and 188 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: it is a coach on the University of Tennessee staff 189 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: who says, big boy, you're right. A lot of times 190 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: you do a pretty good job. But you might want 191 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: to back off that one, because if you don't, you're 192 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: gonna sound like an idiot. We're in this thing, well, 193 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know what history is, so yeah, I 194 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: said in nineteen ninety three, say there's no way they 195 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: get him. In nineteen ninety four, they get him. So 196 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: when somebody gives you a hint like that, when they 197 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: tell you you're going wrong, sometimes you will slow down. 198 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: I have. I mean, I bet Jim probably has some 199 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: reporter you you just don't want to be embarrassed. Sure, 200 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: and when a lot of times you have conversations with 201 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: coaches or sources or people that kind of look out 202 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: for you, just don't let me look dumb on this, 203 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: and they'll get And not that you can use the 204 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: information all the time, but at least you have some 205 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: background where you're not going down the wrong road on things. 206 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: So that's an interesting observation by you because I have 207 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily noticed some of the bigger wigs kind of 208 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: changing their stands a little bit or softening their stands, 209 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: and that is potentially a sign that maybe there's a 210 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: well maybe they're maybe they're hearing things. Yeah, maybe not, 211 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: but we'll see. No. I mean that's a very valid point. 212 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: And I mean you're both of you are way tuned 213 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: into you know, the media side of it, I know, 214 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: from the coaches side of it. When all this stuff talks, 215 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: you hear a lot of things, and the and the 216 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: best action for a you know, for a coach in 217 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: this league, a head coach particularly because what you say 218 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: makes a difference. People are going to pick up on that. 219 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: I mean is keep your powder dry. Keep your powder dry, 220 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: and you can talk to your owner. You can talk, 221 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: but in till you're you're really ready now. And I 222 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying, Mike. This is a statement. 223 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: This is a very succinct statement by an owner, by 224 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: an owner of a club, one owner, one owner a tub, 225 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: one owner of a club. But your other observations. The 226 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: longer you're in this league, and we've got a lot 227 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: of experience sitting here at this fireball table, I mean 228 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: we really do. I mean, in the NFL, uh, you 229 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: learn how to read the tea leaves a little bit 230 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: about what goes on in this league. How much will 231 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: ownership ask their coaches and their gems what they think 232 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: about the possible breakdown of future schedules. They'll ask them, absolutely, 233 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: they'll ask them. They'll ask they they'll ask their input. 234 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: The coaches won't make the final decision. You never do. 235 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean again, as I say that, but they will 236 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: ask their input. Absolutely, they will. They won't. It won't 237 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: just be dogmatic. This is what we're doing. So not 238 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: to interrupt, but so Robert Kraft will go to Bill 239 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: Belichick and say something and again hypothetical, we'll say something like, 240 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: what will be the ramifications of this? What things do 241 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: we need to put in place as we get into 242 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: these discussions? Sure, because he and his son, when they're 243 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: in these meetings, will want to be as informed as 244 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: possible about safety issues and things of this. You know, 245 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick may be on that committee, He's on a 246 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: lot of them, I mean, And that's that that that's 247 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: what happens. I mean, there's there, amy's been a lot 248 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: of all all of us have been the league meetings. 249 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: But you know that the meetings that are planned. But 250 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: then there are a lot of sub meetings that go 251 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: around the you know, during the course of those three 252 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: and a half days, and so there will be a 253 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: lot of discussion on this. It won't just be one 254 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: select group making a huge decision like this. Well that's 255 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: why I'm asking you because I've I've actually never been 256 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: so I don't know. It makes a little salty about 257 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: well no, but I mean I don't I don't know 258 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: how it goes. That is how it goes. I mean 259 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: there and then these I mean I've been involved in 260 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: it and where you go into rooms and I've been 261 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: and as a coach, you as a head coach, you 262 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: can make your your recommendations, but then the owners are 263 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: going to make the decisions. Okay. So we go to 264 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: the fourth preseason game, Titans and the Bears, and it's 265 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: a situation where it's Thursday night. The Bears open the 266 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: regular season a week from Thursday against the Packers, hundredth year, 267 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: two oldest franchises in the NFL. Go ahead to him, awesome, 268 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: great idea. It's a great idea, but I love it. 269 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: It kind of ends any speculation about what the Bears 270 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: will do in this preseason game. He's already said what 271 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: they're going to do. He did, Yeah, all right, propping 272 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: their guys. So he was pretty straight up about it. Yes, good, 273 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: Well that's pretty much standard practice breaking news on the OTP. Well, 274 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: but the bottom line is a news breaker. It is, 275 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: it can be, it can't be a news breaker. But 276 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: the point is this is the battle for the end 277 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: of the rod. That's very important, very important. Look, don't 278 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: don't everything, and I know you guys don't. I know 279 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: our listeners don't either. Don't ever think that what goes 280 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: on on a National Football League field, whether it's in 281 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: preseason or whether it's in practice, doesn't matter. It all matters. 282 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: It matters a lot what goes on there. Now what 283 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: counts sometimes towards the standings is different, but it matters 284 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,359 Speaker 1: a lot. It matters a lot to the individuals making decisions, 285 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: and it matters a lot to the people out there 286 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: trying to get on a football team. That's where I 287 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: do not subscribe at all. When people say, well, there's 288 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: no reason to watch it, Well, there's a real reason 289 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: to watch if you know how football teams put together 290 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: and you really want to take a deep dive into 291 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: what's going on. And I mean all you've got to do. 292 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: If you think it doesn't matter, you talk to all 293 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: of the pro personnel departments in these thirty two clubs 294 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: right now as to how long they've been in a 295 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: bunker watching all of this stuff. I mean, this is extremely, 296 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: extremely important, and preseason games are important. Whenever you play now, 297 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: you may you know your evaluation is taking place constantly, 298 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: and you've got time to fix or to rework things 299 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: that you've done. But it's a different perspective in a 300 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: preseason game, but it still matters. Everything matters when you 301 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: get on the field in the National Football League. I 302 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: promise you yeah, I mean, there's a chance to get 303 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: seen him. I think the reality is the Titans have 304 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: fifty three roster spots, probably fifty one of them have 305 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: been maybe now maybe fifty two. But you've got guys 306 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: that are playing. You have injuries in the preseason that 307 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: affect that you watch other games. You know, the Titans 308 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: go to see a lot of the Bears reserves playing 309 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: in this game, and when you're starting to shuffle your 310 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: roster and the pro personnel guys across the league are 311 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: looking at the Titans Bears games just like they're looking 312 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: at all the other games across the league, they can 313 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: see a guy that will get their attention that you 314 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: could potentially swap out on your roster, practice squad spots 315 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: or up for grabs. So there's something to play for now. 316 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: Where the starters playing this game, the Bears not playing, 317 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: there's I don't expect the Titans to play, you know, 318 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: the frontline guys especial the guys that have any kind 319 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: of injury that could set them back going into the 320 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: regular season. So the focus is on the Browns, but 321 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: also with an eye on the Bears and giving young 322 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: guys an opportunity. I think what's it's extremely important And 323 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: I promise you right now upstairs in Ryan Cowden and 324 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: his group in that big room they've got they have 325 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: got a board spread with these guys throughout the league 326 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: that they think may be available maybe on the CUSP, 327 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: and they've got them graded. They've got them graded A, B, 328 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: C and D and they've got them graded priority wise 329 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: and they've got them graded likely, highly, unlikely, questionable, maybe 330 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: will come, you know, be available. They've been doing this 331 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: all season and what has happened? Guys, see used to 332 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: be when you made that seventy five cut, you remember, 333 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: that gave them a little bit of line of d marcation. 334 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: Then they could sift through that first group pretty easy, 335 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: and then they could really narrow it down. Now when 336 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: you've got you're going to ninety to the end, they've 337 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: got to sift through all of that. And that's what 338 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: they're doing right now. I mean that, I promise that 339 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: wall's full of names and rankings. They they've had this 340 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: stuff graded all preseason, and it's going on right now. 341 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: They're even digging it more right now. Because and you 342 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: say there's you know, there's fifty one or fifty two 343 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: spots left. I don't think there's that many. I really don't. 344 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: I think there'll be. I think there's some more open 345 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: spots because they're just too many other players out there, 346 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: see I have right now. So I went through the 347 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: roster today and I came up with forty seven players 348 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: that I am sure will be here now. Certainly can 349 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: be run wrong already on this show three times, but 350 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: I got forty seven that I feel really good about. 351 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: Do I think the other six necessarily come from who's there? 352 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know, but I 353 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: think that I see forty seven guys that I feel 354 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: like they've probably decided about, and then I see six 355 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: spots that could go to a guy in the current roster, 356 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: or that could go to somebody via via waiver claim, 357 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: a veteran free agent, or even and less likely a 358 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: trade because the Titans have already traded their fourth round 359 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: pick for twenty twenty. So, Amy, what do you think 360 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: seven too high? Yes, I think forty seven's pretty accurate. Um. 361 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: But I think that that's what makes the fourth preseason 362 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: games so compelling. You're never going to see more effort 363 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: in a football game than you will in a fourth 364 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: preseason game. Football. It's the best game to watch the four. 365 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: It's the best football because all the same guys are 366 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: going to be on the field for the whole game. 367 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: They're playing for their lives. And in certain cases, the 368 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: part of it that gets left out is there are 369 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: dudes who will exit that locker room who know they 370 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: know I will never play tackle football again the rest 371 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: of my life, and so they are laying it all 372 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: out there. And because there's not the mass substitution, because 373 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: these guys know they're not coming out. Listen, it's not 374 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: Tom Brady against Peyton Manning. I get it, but in 375 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: terms of just good football, it's generally the best preseason 376 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: game to watch. It absolutely is, and there are guys 377 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: who are very aware of those six available spots and 378 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: those empty places where they could fill. So they want 379 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: to give everything they can show that they have improved 380 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: and taken the coaching. They want to do everything that 381 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: they can to either convince this staff or convince any 382 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: other staff in the league that there is a place 383 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: for them. So they are going to do everything they 384 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: possibly can to get something on film that moves the needle, 385 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: even an inch, just a little bit, to get them 386 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: on a roster somewhere. So that desperation makes for good football, 387 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: you know it does. I've been in thirty one pregame 388 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: locker rooms with the fourth preseason game and seeing the 389 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: those guys sitting at their locker knowing that this next 390 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: three and a half hours may determine not only their 391 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: football future, but their future. And believe me, it's it's real, 392 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: and it's it is. So that's why I have never 393 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: adhered to the talk that it doesn't matter you talk. 394 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: You want to sit and look at those dud's eyes 395 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: when they're sitting there getting ready for a ball game 396 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: at fourth one matters a lot, and I think one 397 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: the other thing you look for in the fourth preseason 398 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: game is you can get some clues about who may 399 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: be in trouble. Because if a guy that you had 400 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: maybe assumed was going to make a roster not just 401 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: here but across the league. If you've got guys playing 402 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: in some of these fourth preseason games that maybe people 403 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: thought were safe, maybe an indication that that guy is 404 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: not as safe as you. Thank you, is right. That's 405 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: a great point because a lot of times you'll you'll 406 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: see this is gonna be a long list of d 407 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: and peace on Thursday night, but there will also be 408 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: some guys you maybe would expect to be a DNP 409 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: that's not and uh, those are guys you keep an 410 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: eye on as well. Let me expound on that a 411 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: little bit, and you can a little bit, but don't 412 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: read a lot into that, because sometimes there are some 413 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: positions where you're gonna have to have guys that you 414 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: know you're gonna play with. They've got to play because 415 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: of numbers. Now that now that has that has been 416 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: lessened by the fact that you're now cutting it ninety 417 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: rather than from from ninety to seventy five to fifty three. 418 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: That's a point. That's a point. But if you see 419 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: some guys in there that you that you think, oh, 420 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: I thought this guy had this made, it may not 421 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: necessarily be because he doesn't have it made. It may 422 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: be because they need the numbers to get through the game. 423 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: And they want to see some guys on special teams too, 424 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Aspectly, they want to see if they 425 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: can play other positions or play multiple positions, and they 426 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: want to see what they do on teams because they're 427 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: thinking to themselves, if we keep Joe Smith, can he 428 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: be part of the forty six on Sunday because he 429 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: can play special teams? Or is he automatically and inactive? 430 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, we may not keep him. 431 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: We may keep a guy in another position who can 432 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: play team. That's taken a deeper dive into it, and 433 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: you are one hund right. I've been in those discussions 434 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: for years, Jim. Let me ask you this. Do you 435 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: have We always say there's always a guy who makes 436 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: the football team in the fourth preseason game, and I 437 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: mean there are accountants. Do you have a favorite story 438 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the most interesting one to me is probably 439 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: Logan Woodside, who's going to play in this preseason game, 440 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: and just whether or not you keep him or not. 441 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: I think he's done enough here that if he got 442 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: released by this team that there's a very good chance 443 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: that somebody else is going to pick him up. And 444 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: I think with another strong showing in Chicago, I think 445 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: he solidifies his spot somewhere. Do you have a favorite 446 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: story in covering the team through the years of a 447 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: guy making it in the fourth preseason game. I'm trying 448 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: to think. I've got a couple. You don't remember. John Simon, 449 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: don't two thousand and two, little little running back who 450 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: made the team seemingly out of nowhere, just would not 451 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: go away. One of those guys who played so well 452 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: in the preseason that they couldn't We didn't even know 453 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: who he was when he got it. He was, you know, 454 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: he was part of that list of eight hundred guys. 455 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: And in those days, the Titans had more undrafted free 456 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: agents than they do now because the Titans had so 457 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: much salary cap trouble that they would have the draft picks, 458 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: but they couldn't do a lot in free eight and 459 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: veteran free agency because they had no money. So there 460 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: were Floyd Reese some years had thirty undrafteds in camp. 461 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, you didn't know any of these guys. 462 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: They're in so much better cap space. As a matter 463 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: of fact, there was a report out today that the 464 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: Titans are fifth in available cap space right now with 465 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: with plenty of room. So that's a blessing and a change. 466 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: But in those days it didn't happen. Brad Castle is 467 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: another guy who was like that. That's Brad Castle, one 468 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: of my all time favorite Titans story. I mean, I 469 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: coached that dude first whole career. Here. His story was 470 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: so unique. He got here on a lie. Yes, he 471 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: got here on a lie. Lie about he didn't lie? 472 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Oh sad, he didn't lie. He didn't lie. Seal Bricado lies, 473 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: Ceiale Ricado. And did he did he not know? Or 474 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: did he lie? He lied? Okay, Seal carried a big 475 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: stick here. All right, let's let's set him go ahead, 476 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: Let's set up who Ceo Bricado is. First of all, 477 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: my god, because there are some people who are listening 478 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: to the MTP who don't know. So explain Seal Bricado 479 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: at one point was a potential nominee for the Pro 480 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. He was on the list, and 481 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: rightfully so, why rightfully so? The Ceial Briccado all those 482 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: drills that you see at the at the combine nowadays, 483 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: CEO CEO started the three cone drill. Ceial Bricado was legendary. 484 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: Cial Bricado recruited me in high school, okay on Cial 485 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: Bricado coach at the University of Texas at Arlington when 486 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: they still had a football team. He recruited a guy 487 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: out of my high school, Billy Stewart. I mean, you 488 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: can give me I'd get a deep dive into CEO. CEO. 489 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: And then when he started working for the for the 490 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: Oilers and would come through TCU. Then when I graduated, 491 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: I was handling the coach of the scouts that came through. 492 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: CEO is legendary and rightfully so. I mean, in the 493 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: anytime you went to a school workout and CEO was there, 494 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: guess who was running it. Ceo. You could have had 495 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: every head coach in general manager in the league there. 496 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: CEO ran it. One of the greatest scouts of all time, 497 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: one of the greatest scouts of all time. Let's just 498 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: get that straight, okay. But c O, you know he's 499 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: he had a way about him, his free agents. He 500 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: knew Brad Castle couldn't run out of sight in a week, 501 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: all right, he knew that. But Brad was not fast, am, 502 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: He was not quick. But but but Brad Castle was 503 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: as tough as mesquite would now I'm he was just 504 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: you couldn't break him. And CEO loved him as a player, 505 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: but he had no way to sell him, to get 506 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: him in here because of his speed. He made every 507 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: tackle at North Texas. You know, he'd he'd and he 508 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: had that. But we already had guys that could run. 509 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: And if he brought you know, bring a guy in 510 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: here that ran four nine and five five flat, people 511 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: were gonna say no, he said, you don't want, Well, 512 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: I bring him in here. Give him a look because 513 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: he's long snapped two. So Castle comes in here and said, 514 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: and Alan Lowry goes, all right, Brad, why don't you 515 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: come over here? And snapping? Castle went why, And he's, well, 516 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: we need a little snapper. You snapped in North Texas, right, No? 517 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: I never snapped so well, then he asked him, you 518 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: snapped in high school? Right, he said, no, I was 519 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: a quarterback. A quarterback, yeah, he said, why would I snap? 520 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: But he got him into camp, and when you got 521 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: him into camp, to Mike's story, you couldn't get him out. 522 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: He started cracking guy's chin straps in the offensive line, 523 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: and the offensive lineman wanted to kill him. They then, 524 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the first string guys in camp. They 525 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: wanted to fill finish him. They did things to him, 526 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: and every time they tried, they came out on the 527 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: worst end. It was I mean, you talk about violence 528 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: in an era, it was wild. And he had a 529 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: cut at the top of his nose. Every day he 530 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: had blood streaming down his nose. He made every tackle 531 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: he took on every offensive lineman. He was not scared 532 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: of anything. The only guy can compare him to. It's 533 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: like if you're a wrestling fan or you're a fan 534 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: of pop culture and you know stone cold Steve Aosten cold, 535 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: he Brad Castle is probably still is stone cold Steve Vostle. 536 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: I love Bradcastle. You know who love Bradcastle on our team? 537 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: Keith Keith, he loved Bradcastle. Was so tough. The last 538 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: game we ever played out here with Bradcastle. If you'll 539 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: remember out here against Detroit to finish the season, nineteen tackles. 540 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: He had nineteen tackles, and and after we got through 541 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: watching the film as a group, Jim Schwartz shut it 542 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: down and went, that's one of the best performances I've 543 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: ever seen. And he got carried out of the defensive 544 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: meeting room on the teams shoulders that they intercept. They 545 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: had an interception, Bradcastle. Bradcastle made a million dollars from 546 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: that game, Yes he did. He got a million dollar 547 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: contract the next year to get I guess he had 548 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: like a six or seven year NFL contract. Couldn't run 549 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: for eight No chance, no way, I do think you 550 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: If I'm my memory's right, he had an interception that 551 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: sealed the game, and as a result of that win, 552 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: it put the Titans in a position to make a 553 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: draft pick the following year. Yes, they would have picked 554 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: second had they lost the games, and instead they picked 555 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: sixth and they took pike Man Pacman Jones. They couldn't 556 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: have taken Aaron Rodgers and that was the Cedric Benson draft. 557 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, just passed away. Yes, I don't 558 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: know if this ended his career, but he and he 559 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: was the toughest guys you can ever imagine. But he 560 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: I think he tore as achilles. But that's another story, 561 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: torrious achillies at a family picnic, did youly picnic down 562 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: there in Texas where I've been to a few of 563 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: those two down there in the part of Texas he's from. 564 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's not they're not having great cool laid. 565 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: They were drinking, so I mean he had a sement. 566 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: Of course they made They made their picnic table out 567 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: of sement, because of course you do in west in Texas, 568 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: of course, and of course you do, and made cement. 569 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: And the bench was sitting on too. I mean, he 570 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: told me the whole story. And he and one of 571 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: his uncles was sitting on the end of the bench 572 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: and got up and the thing tipped and the whole 573 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: sement thing came down and severed his achilles. And he 574 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: didn't tell anybody, and came into camp and couldn't move 575 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: at all. And I could talk about Castle forever. But 576 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: the brad Castles of the world and the John Simons 577 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: of the world love the fourth preseason, Yes, because there's 578 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: gonna be somebody going like a wild man Thursday Night 579 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: at Soldier Field. There will be somebody who will be 580 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: making it happy, even the Bears or the Titans, or 581 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: they'll be a player for both. Absolutely, I've got him 582 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: a lot of them during my career. And you can 583 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: play your way off of it too. I know it was. 584 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: Who was The Returner's name was Darren Darren Hall. Darren Hall, 585 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: draft pick from Colorado State, couple of bossed a couple 586 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: of punt returns. They drafted him just to return punts 587 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: and he uh yeah, he cut. He was a draft 588 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: pick in a time where they never cut draft picks 589 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: and they cut him. The only other draft pick I 590 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: remember them cutting in the year or where I was 591 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: here is they cut a guy named brad Ware who 592 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: was a safety from Auburn. He was a fourth round 593 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: pick and h Otherwise, it just it almost never happened 594 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: because those guys had to make the team due to 595 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: the fact that the Titans didn't have any extra money. 596 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: This is the kind of insights you can get on 597 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: the other podcast. Well, people have turned off by now, 598 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure. Here's the thing about the fourth preseason, though 599 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: we have romanticized it, it is beautiful. I think everyone 600 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: should watch it and be so excited about it. But 601 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: if there are five hundred penalties in this game, lord 602 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: help me. I don't think there are. Generally, they've I mean, 603 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: everybody's got a plane to catch. I'm just telling you, 604 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm putting the over under two hours and forty two minutes. Yeah. 605 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: So I can't say that because I remember the fourth 606 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: preseason game in two thousand and three at Green Bay 607 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: with the two hour, forty seven minute can't believe that. Well, 608 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: that was the rain delay. We weren't here yet, you 609 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: were still in Arizona. But I got the aftermath of 610 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: it because you know, go ahead with your story. Who 611 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: got hurt Rocky Kalmas. Yeah, and it was so bad 612 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: because they couldn't get ahold of Paul Tagliaboo. It happened 613 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: right at the end of the first half because when 614 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: the two hour forty seven minute delay ended, we came back, 615 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: played one play and went to the two minute warning. 616 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: This upsets me. And they did halftime. Yeah, they did 617 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: the halftime, and so then came back and that's when 618 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: Kalmas snapped his ham He snapped his hamstring covering a 619 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:02,239 Speaker 1: punt after the Yeah, the commissioner at supposedly in the 620 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: Hamptons and they could not get a hold of him. 621 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: I would drive to the Hamptons from Wiscontin. He once 622 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: they found him, he came back and made the comment 623 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: that it was about the integrity of the game. And 624 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: it was like, look, it's the fourth preseason game. We've 625 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: played a half, you know, I mean we everybody got it. 626 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: The crowd left, the Green Bay crowd said god, I 627 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: mean there weren't five thousand people there for the end 628 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: of the game. He lost a player and lost a player. 629 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: He was never the same, never the same after that, 630 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: and it was really it was really kind of a 631 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: sad deal. So I'm all for the over and under. 632 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: But I'm knocking on wood. I'm knocking on my head. 633 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm not looking for anything of that. The forecasts, 634 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: beautiful skies, beautiful in n for a little Giardano. We're 635 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: there to Giordano over that. You got to do that, 636 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: all right? One last thing before we go. Why are 637 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: so many people calling us asking us about our thoughts 638 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: on the Andrew Luck retirement. Well, because we played them twice, 639 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: get that. But I mean it's like you still have 640 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: to beat the Colds. I mean, I understand it's a 641 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: big deal. Well also because it's crazy. It was the 642 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: most bananas thing. I got the announcement on my phone 643 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: and just the ESPN alert. I stood on my couch 644 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: at my house and announced it to everyone in my home. 645 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: It was that big of a deal. I was that 646 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: surprised actually in my kitchen when my phone went off, 647 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: and and I thought I was being pumped. Yeah, I 648 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: thought somebody's come up and figured out how to do 649 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: the ESPN alert. And I mean I didn't believe it. 650 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean, we played Jacoby 651 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: Brissette two years ago, had a hard time with him 652 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: both times. I mean, neither win was and that Colds 653 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: team wasn't nearly as good as this Colds team is. 654 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's like, Okay, I get that he's gone, 655 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: and I get that the Titans and Ever beaten him, 656 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: But man, there's still plenty of heavy lifting to do. 657 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: You gotta be you gotta beat the team, right, you 658 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: gotta beat that team, and you got to you got 659 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: to not think about that team until you go beat Cleveland. Right. 660 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: That's that's the real story. Yeah, that's a real that's 661 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: the real story and we can This has already been 662 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: talked about, but my phone completely blow. I'm still getting 663 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: asked questions about it. But it's not that if you'll 664 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: look back, I mean, it's it's unusual, but it's not 665 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: if you start really looking at guys that have retired, right, 666 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, some of the guys that have taken them back, 667 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: and he's he had good reasons for it. Jim Brown, 668 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: Barry Sanders, I mean guys Robert Smith, Robert Smith, Robert Smith, 669 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: Patrick Willis. I mean, just names that people recognize real 670 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: quick and here's here's another thought on it, and then 671 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: I'll just let this go. But you've got a guy 672 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: that's that thoughtful and he understands and you know, and 673 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: the people are are aghast at him being able to 674 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: walk away from that much money, but he's already made 675 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: nearly one hundred million dollars. He'll be fine and as 676 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: smart as he is and what he's done, so it 677 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: makes it a lot easier to make that decision when 678 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: you're basing it off of your body and how you feel. 679 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: And I mean, because I mean, you know, when you're 680 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: financially set for the rest of your life and probably 681 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: for generations of your life. It's then you can take 682 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: into account a lot of things. Well, and I think 683 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: to your point, Mike, about how everyone is asking us 684 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: about this in this region, there's a lot. I mean, 685 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: it's a close proximity. There's a lot of crossover. There 686 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: are a lot of Tennessee fans who are Peyton fans 687 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: who went to India and now we're Titans fan. There's 688 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: a lot of mixing of just the people there. But 689 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: and so the impact that Andrew Luck had on that 690 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: fan base is big, like Peyton Manning big. I mean, 691 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: he was their hero, he was the savior, he was 692 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: the guy. I text, It's not a secret. I spent 693 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: a year in Indianapolis with the cult. So I text 694 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: some people who I know up there, and the response 695 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: that I got at two o'clock in the morning after 696 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck announced it was shocking, stunning. I'm absolutely speechless. 697 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: It was that big of a deal. It was earth shattering, 698 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: is what somebody said. Like it was it just changed 699 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: the entire outlook on their season and their franchise for 700 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: that fan base. So with so many people here who 701 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: are residual Colts fans, and once we're Colts fans and 702 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: now don't really know. I get it. I understand how 703 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: big of a deal that is, because I mean, think 704 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,919 Speaker 1: about it, if Marcus Mariota just told us, hey, guys, 705 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: I think I'm done. I understand the gravity of that. 706 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: I get it. But but my point is, and while 707 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: it changes the dynamic for the Tennessee Titans to whatever 708 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: extent there are people are like, well, that's two wins. No, 709 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: it's not yeah stuff. I mean, it's like, boy, it's 710 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: just oh yeah, No. I mean, it's kind of like 711 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: the people who are on him for quitting when he 712 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: did and things. And there have been thoughtful people Steve 713 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: Berlin and has been thoughtful in here. He has criticized 714 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: him for when he retired, and Steve Burline makes the 715 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: point it's not personal. He's it's Steve Burline's a fan. 716 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: But Steve Berline was a quarterback in the league. And okay, 717 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: that's fine. Some people had just this hot take. Thing 718 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: just doesn't well, how much is gonna help the Tites. 719 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: It's not gonna help the Titans. He's not gonna help 720 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: the Titans. Block Miles Garrett in Cleveland is not going 721 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: to help the Titans. When they faced Patrick Mahomes is 722 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: not gonna help the Titans at all. I mean, obviously, 723 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: the Colts without Andrew Luck and not gonna be as 724 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: strong as the team at least you wouldn't think so. 725 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: But this is not a Colts team that all of 726 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: a sudden goes from being projected to finish twelve and 727 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: four to six and ten. They've built a great team 728 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: around them, good offensive line, good playmakers, and the Titans 729 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: have got to take care of the Titans because if 730 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: you don't take care of your own business, it doesn't 731 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: matter what they do, because you may be looking up 732 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: at everybody else. Well, and my point again, this is 733 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: not the twenty seventeen Colts. Chris Ball and Frank Reik 734 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: have done a really nice job with this team. I mean, 735 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: this can still be a playoff team, absolutely, and you're 736 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: doing it with a quarterback that started a whole year 737 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: for you, right, all right. I just wanted to bring 738 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: that up, and it's the topic of the week. I 739 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: understand why people would be talking about it. I understand 740 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: what a big deal is, but I'm not sure I 741 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: quite follow why it's the end of the world in 742 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: some people's minds. Towards the Titans. Maybe I'm missing. You 743 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: can't help but feel bad for him. To him, he's 744 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: such a great guy, classic and his press conference was 745 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: total class. Yeah, I mean, I hate to see a 746 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: guys beating down so much. Man. When he started in 747 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: on his NFL career, Uh, he didn't envision it anything 748 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: like this. And to hear him talk like he did 749 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: and just a toll that took on him physically and mentally. 750 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: And to hear Rob Gonkowski come out today just to 751 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: talk about some of the stuff that he went through 752 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: leading to his retirement. We've all know Jake Locker and 753 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 1: just his situation led to him an early retirement. So 754 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: it's in some ways it's sad uh that his career 755 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: has to end like this, but uh, wish him the best. 756 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a classic guy, great competitor. Everybody in 757 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: that locker room, you know, had nothing not like people 758 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: who were celebrating him leaving. They all respect him. The 759 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: decision he made. Sure final thoughts anyone anyone about We've 760 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: covered a lot, We'll cover a lot of stuff. We've 761 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: talked too long. No, we haven't talked too long. This 762 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 1: is the MAC and three Award winning. No one has 763 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: ever given us an award. I've got four of them 764 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: names on them world. My trophy is bigger. But y'all go. 765 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: I tell you, I just want I just want my 766 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: trophy to be Giordano Pizza. That's all I'm We're getting that. 767 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: I've got the menu on my phone right now. I'm 768 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you there as a group, do 769 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: you like Giordano I do? Are you gonna go with us? 770 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: It's it's right around the corn of the hotel. Well 771 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: we're hearing yes, okay, yeah, And we don't want to 772 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: tell everybody which hotel because then they'll come bombard you 773 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: for autographs. Maybe it's best if you don't come, Jim. 774 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: Maybe it's best if you don't well, Jim wat Titans 775 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,959 Speaker 1: online dot com. Amy Wells, the Great, the absolute Great, 776 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis from Titans Radio. All here, I'm Mike Key. 777 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us for this pre Chicago edition of 778 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: the OTP