1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and this is another classic 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: episode from our former host, Christian Sager. This one deals 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: with a question to which the answer may seem obvious, 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: but research has made more complicated. Our plants conscious. Hey, 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, it's Christian Sager. So there's this old episode 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: of Star Trek called Wink of an Eye. You may 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: have seen it. There's this race of aliens that live 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: in hyper sped up acceleration. So when the crew of 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: the Enterprise appears to meet up with them, they seem 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: so slow that they're unable to move. Now, imagine that 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: scenario if you were the aliens, wouldn't you assume humans 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: were inert objects with no consciousness. Now let's take this 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: and apply it to our relationship with plants. When we 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: watch videos of plant life sped up, we see their 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: lively movement. But even though plants move and respond to stimuli, 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: they're not conscious. Right, Otherwise, every time we ate vegetables, 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: we'd be causing them pain. Wait, wait a minute, can 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: plants feel pain? Well? Okay, there was this guy once. 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: His name was Charles Darwin. You might have heard of him, 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: and he once proposed something called the root brain hypothesis. 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: He proposed that the tip of a plant's root could 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: act like a brain does in some animals, receiving sensory 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: input and directing movement. In the years since Darwin made 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: this proposal, there's been a growing movement in science called 26 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: plant neurobiology, and it debates the way we think about 27 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: plants and consciousness. Other scientists hate this term, but who cares, 28 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: because here's some of the things we know about plants 29 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: because of this really unusual research. Let's start with plant senses. 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: We know that plants have a variety of sense, some 31 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: that can actually act as analogs to our site smell, touch, taste, 32 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: and hearing. In fact, there's evidence that when plants hear 33 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: the sound of a caterpillar chewing on a leaf, they 34 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: respond defensively by producing chemicals like mustard oil. This happens 35 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: even if the sound is a recording and nothing is 36 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: eating the plant. Creepy, right, Plants can also communicate sometimes. 37 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: Plant chemical production is like a method of communicating with 38 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: other plants. So here's an example. That smell of freshly 39 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: cut grass that we all know that's actually a distress 40 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: call to warn other plants of danger. It's true in gardens, 41 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: no one can hear you scream. Now, when this distress 42 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: call reaches other plants, they will also emit the chemicals 43 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: to warn their neighbors as well, and these calls can 44 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: even work on different species of plant. For instance, a 45 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: sage plant can signal a tobacco plant to emit an 46 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: odor that's not just to animals that are eating the sage. 47 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: All right, So you hear the term plant neurobiology, and 48 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: you say, but plants don't have brains. Well, one of 49 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: the reasons why many scientists hate that term is because 50 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: plants don't have neurons, but they do produce neuroactive chemicals 51 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: that act like those in the human brain. Glutamate receptors 52 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: form memories and humans, and they're also found in plants, 53 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: and some hormones are transported around plants similar to how 54 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: neurotransmitters move through animal brains. Likewise, some plants are vulnerable 55 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: to drugs that disrupt neurotransmitters in the human brain, like 56 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: prozac or meth amphetamines. They eat even produce their own ethylene, 57 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: which is possibly used as an anesthetic when they're stressed out. 58 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: Plants even have a kind of nervous system, and that 59 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: may allow information to travel around the plant via electrical signals. 60 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: So if plants have sort of brains, do they remember stuff? Well? Yeah, 61 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: plants also have their own kind of memory. In fact, 62 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: there's a plant called the Mimosa pudica plant, and it 63 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: closes its leaflets immediately after they're touched. But because this 64 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: requires energy, the plant won't do it if it's unnecessary. However, 65 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: when researchers dropped potted mimosas fifteen centimeters onto foam, the 66 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: plants learned that the fall wasn't dangerous, so they stopped 67 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: closing their leaves. Even crazier, after one month, the plants 68 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: still remember that the drop wasn't dangerous and they wouldn't 69 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: close their leaves in spons So, given what we know 70 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: about plants senses, communication, nervous systems, and memories, should we 71 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: consider them to be either conscious or intelligent? What about pain? 72 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: Does the fact that plants react to danger indicate that 73 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: they feel pain? Well, some scientists argue yes, while others 74 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: loudly say no. Today's episode was written by Christian and 75 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: produced by Tyler Clang. Brain Stuff is a production of 76 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works from more in this 77 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: and lots of other thoughtful topics. Is it our home planet? 78 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: How stuff Works dot com plus for more podcasts for 79 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: my heart radio, is that thy heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, 80 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,