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Speaker 1: Hello, They're Happy Monday. It is September fifteenth, with another

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Speaker 1: episode of the Chuck Podcast. I'll be honest, the last

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Speaker 1: five days have been quite difficult when just thinking about

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Speaker 1: American politics, thinking about the country, thinking about whether we're

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Speaker 1: going to bring ourselves together. Each day when I was

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Speaker 1: looking for a glimmer of hope, I rarely found one.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's even in the one person who seems

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Speaker 1: Even his comments today were sort of demoralizing. Understandably so,

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Speaker 1: because I don't disagree with anything he has said at

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Speaker 1: this point, and in fact believe he is the leader

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Speaker 1: some ways, it's easy to understand how we got here,

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Speaker 1: there's so many forces against unity in this country. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like the system is rigged towards division. Right.

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Speaker 1: Our system is not rigged for unity. It is right now,

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Speaker 1: rigged towards division in how it works. And I think

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Speaker 1: in the moment to meet this moment. I've been trying to.

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Speaker 1: I've been hopeful, right, I think you give as much

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Speaker 1: maybe he will see that this is something that he

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Speaker 1: cannot just use to exploit politically. But let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: That hope is fading. And you can call me naive,

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Speaker 1: same way before, because only we only have one president

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Speaker 1: that he'll see the light, but he is. He is

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Speaker 1: episode today. We're going to talk a little bit more

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Speaker 1: two political parties here and how they handle this moment.

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Speaker 1: I've got my It's Monday. We do every week. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give you sort of a history lesson based

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Speaker 1: between September fifteenth and September twenty first, So I'll give

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Speaker 1: you just a clue. It'll be I will tell you

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Speaker 1: this week in history moment? I'll just give you a

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Speaker 1: small clue. We're going to go back to September nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: seventeen ninety six. The real history junkies in my feed

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Speaker 1: after the interview. For those of you that listen to

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Speaker 1: the entire the entire episode in one download, of course,

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Speaker 1: if you want to have the interview on its own

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Speaker 1: and all of my work separately on its own. I'll

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Speaker 1: also do a little bit of what I learned this

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Speaker 1: America has endured nearly a one hundred and fifty politically

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Speaker 1: It's almost double. So it doesn't count the Charlie Cook

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Speaker 1: same period last year. We've had twenty one people killed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: exposing yourself to different people, different ideas, different ideologies, different experiences,

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Speaker 1: Trying to hide from ideas, even ones that you don't

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Speaker 1: president in the moment that we need in this moment,

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Speaker 1: But I I don't know if where we are in

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Speaker 1: three years. I certainly don't think the party that he

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Speaker 1: belongs to wouldver nominate him, and I'm not sure the

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Speaker 1: part of the Democratic Party whatever nominate him. He's quite

434
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Speaker 1: he's pretty conservative ideologically, but he's moderate in temperament, right,

435
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Speaker 1: and that's something that we've been missing, his moderate temperament

436
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Speaker 1: in our political leadership. I think Joe Biden was elected

437
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Speaker 1: because many people thought he was going to be moderate

438
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Speaker 1: and temperament and he was. We don't know what he

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Speaker 1: was because he never really was an active president, right.

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Speaker 1: That was the problem. He wasn't really out there and

441
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Speaker 1: he governed. He didn't governed. He didn't govern as if

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Speaker 1: the country was a divided nation that needed to heal,

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Speaker 1: which is what he said he was going to govern.

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Speaker 1: He instead governed pretty pretty progressively. He governed basically, he

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Speaker 1: governed for his base, just like Donald Trump is doing

446
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: governing for his base, making the middle uncomfortable, making the

447
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Speaker 1: moderates in his party uncomfortable. But there's you know, that's

448
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: our politics is controlled right now by the two political bases,

449
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: and they have a lion's share of the media mouthpieces,

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Speaker 1: and they will use use the algorithms to punish anybody

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Speaker 1: that's daring to preach some form of moderation of any form,

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Speaker 1: whether temperamental moderation or policy moderation. So I do expect that,

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Speaker 1: and it's likely that you'll see I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure this is the correct, the perfect

455
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Speaker 1: this is not the perfect analogy, but I do think,

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Speaker 1: you know, after the death of George Floyd, there was

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Speaker 1: a bit of a sort of collective breath we all

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Speaker 1: took together, and then it quickly quickly polarized. Right, things

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Speaker 1: quickly divided. This the division we didn't even really have

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Speaker 1: a moment of coming together on this. After Kirk, we've

461
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Speaker 1: sort of divided pretty fast. I don't think it should

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Speaker 1: matter what more we learn about the gunman, right, I

463
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Speaker 1: think we know enough. We know enough that it's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear to me that anybody that chooses to shoot somebody

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Speaker 1: has been radicalized, and it's pretty clear where all the

466
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Speaker 1: radicalization comes from. It comes from our online discourse, does

467
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Speaker 1: not come from our face to face discourse, but it

468
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Speaker 1: comes from us. It comes from our political discourse. So

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Speaker 1: our political discourse radicalized this person, and that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: I know others are going to be looking, you know,

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Speaker 1: to scapegoat the trans community here. That's only going to

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Speaker 1: make things worse to try to go down that road.

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Speaker 1: But I think we all know that's where that's where

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Speaker 1: many might be headed on the right, and that's likely

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Speaker 1: to be met with its own set of resistance and

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Speaker 1: its own in a in a way that that is,

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Speaker 1: you know, likely that we will spiral downward further. Rather

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Speaker 1: than trying to figure out how we how we can

479
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Speaker 1: stitch this back together. I think the place to start

480
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Speaker 1: is obvious. It's big tech. It's the algorithms. It's how

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Speaker 1: we share information. It's not just how politicians talk, it's

482
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Speaker 1: how the language is shared, it's how it's what's surfaced,

483
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Speaker 1: it's what's it's it's the whole thing, and it's pretty

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Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to fix. I've been thinking about this

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Speaker 1: all weekend, and it's much as I feel pretty convinced

486
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Speaker 1: that I know this is the core problem that this

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Speaker 1: really is. It's this good luck fixing it, especially when

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Speaker 1: there are people who have gotten political power based on it.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think this is a you know,

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Speaker 1: until the voters. Ultimately, it's us that have to decide

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Speaker 1: we want a different path. We have to decide that

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Speaker 1: we want that we're going to take the politics of

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Speaker 1: unity over that we're we're going to We're going to

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Speaker 1: take a breath from our own ideology for a two

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Speaker 1: year or four year period simply to bring peace and

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Speaker 1: to try to to try to you know, I've said

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Speaker 1: we America needs a pastor for patriotism twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I thought that person might be Bill mcgraven. Twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: It looks like the pastor for patriotism might be Spencer Cox.

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Speaker 1: But he can only succeed if we want to listen.

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Speaker 1: One of the ways to solve our information ecosystem issue

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Speaker 1: is that we've got to we've actually got a We

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Speaker 1: do need to have a media that finds a way

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Speaker 1: two makes room for multiple ideologies and multiple sides of

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Speaker 1: a conversation. You know, we we've we've gotten this shorthand

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Speaker 1: that the left and the right likes to use both siderisms. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit more of a criticism from the

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Speaker 1: left than it is from the right. But what it

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Speaker 1: really is it's when when you know, nobody from the

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Speaker 1: middle ever uses both siderisms, it's usually an ideologue and

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Speaker 1: a and a hard partisan on the left or right

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Speaker 1: that does because they want to disavow an argument. No,

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Speaker 1: that's right, that's wrong, And they've accused people in mainstream

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Speaker 1: journalism or in what some of us call it independent journalism,

515
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Speaker 1: however you want to describe it, that somehow it you're

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Speaker 1: equating it, and it's like, no, what you're trying to

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Speaker 1: do is bring everybody into the same room so that

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Speaker 1: everybody faces similar accountability tests. And I happen to be

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Speaker 1: somebody who believes that if you present here's what one

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Speaker 1: side is saying, here's what the other side is saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to treat you like an idiot. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do my best to test both theories of

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Speaker 1: the case and let you come to your conclusion of

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Speaker 1: which path might be better. And so if you don't

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Speaker 1: take a competing perspective seriously in your news coverage. If

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Speaker 1: you claim that you were doing journalism, you're not going

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Speaker 1: to be seen as an independent referee number one, and

528
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Speaker 1: you're going to be missing out on interesting arguments and

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Speaker 1: better ways perhaps to defend your beliefs. Journalism's credibility, doesn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, come from pleasing one side. It comes from

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Speaker 1: proving fairness, proving that you will give every actor every

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Speaker 1: chance to be heard, even when their arguments are weak,

533
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Speaker 1: because in some ways that's the best way to expose

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Speaker 1: a weak argument. How often you, oh, they have nothing

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Speaker 1: to say. But if you don't give them a chance,

536
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Speaker 1: then people retreat to their corners and retreat to their corners,

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00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: and everybody retreats to their corners. And when they think

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00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: they're not getting a fair shot in either way, then

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00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: everybody says, forget it, And I'm just going to to

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Speaker 1: preach to the my choir, and I don't even want

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Speaker 1: to tune in to listen to your other choir. But

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Speaker 1: here's why presenting, if you can be a place that

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00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: can get people from all sides to participate, it actually

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00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: forces more accountability, and it forces more collective accountability. If

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Speaker 1: you have politicians, corporations, activists, and institutions all having to

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Speaker 1: go to the same places to talk and to make

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Speaker 1: their case. Then we'll have shared reality, we'll have shared debate.

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Speaker 1: This lack of a shared reality, this lack of shared debate,

549
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: and you know what, a both sides framing actually ensures

550
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: that no one escapes scrutiny, even those aligned with what

551
00:38:52,680 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: you may personally believe. True accountability means discomfort, and that

552
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: means you should be a little uncomfortable having to defend yourself.

553
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: But if your ideas are sound, then you'll get more

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Speaker 1: comfortable doing And in a pluralistic democracy, which is what

555
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: we claim to be, multiple perspectives have to be able

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Speaker 1: to coexist. And if we try to create a situation

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Speaker 1: where we're going to get rid of an ideology because

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Speaker 1: we don't like it, you this radical ideology over here,

559
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Speaker 1: radical ideology over there. Do you think you can just

560
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Speaker 1: get rid of it, You'll end up perhaps giving more

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Speaker 1: attention to it and having it untested at the same time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no better way to showcase America than

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00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: when you have people who disagree with each other appearing together.

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Speaker 1: That's something we don't see as often as we used to.

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Speaker 1: It was a staple of political talk shows of the

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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, and for about eighteen months after nine

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Speaker 1: eleven that has completely and utterly disappeared. And do realize

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Speaker 1: that if you hate our information ecosystem, it's because we

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Speaker 1: don't have any both sides vehicles anymore in the mainstream.

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Speaker 1: We have outrage media, and outrage media thrives on one

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Speaker 1: sided coverage because it deepens audience loyalty, pure and simple, right,

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Speaker 1: Megan Kelly podsave America. They have a loyal audience. They

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Speaker 1: cannot ever veer from that too often. Every once in

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Speaker 1: a while they can tell their audience what an uncomfortable truth,

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Speaker 1: But if they do it too often, they'd lose their audience.

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Speaker 1: If you're an activist and you're you're and you're organizing

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Speaker 1: for a policeitical party, maybe you can rationalize that, but

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00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: it's not journalism. And if you're doing both ciderisms right,

579
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: it means you're listening to all sides and then you

580
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: test the claims against actual evidence. Now, look, there's lazy

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00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: both sides isms right when reporters just lazily equate facts

582
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Speaker 1: with opinion. Sciences say climate change is real, critics disagree.

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00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: That's that's stupid. Both ciderisms. What you do is you

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Speaker 1: lay out the arguments. Here's what climate scientists are saying.

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00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: Here's are those who think that this is they're making

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Speaker 1: an argument that says that climate science is overreacting. And

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00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: here's why. The question is what are we going to

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Speaker 1: do about it? But I'll tell you this, it's and

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Speaker 1: moments of this huge political division that I missed the

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Speaker 1: times when we had where both were people that regardless

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Speaker 1: of the side of the aye you're on, you felt

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Speaker 1: like you were welcome pretty much in any political talk show,

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Speaker 1: in any political green room. And I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: thinks that right now. I promise you this. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to think. I am we are trying here to make

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Speaker 1: this a home for that. I'm not going to sit

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Speaker 1: here and round the edges for you. You know, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: speak truth to power in my own head, meaning what

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Speaker 1: I believe. But I also I'm a I'm a stubborn incrementalist,

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Speaker 1: and I'm fully aware that we're three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: million people with three hundred and fifty million different opinions,

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Speaker 1: and you've got or if you want everybody rowing in

603
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Speaker 1: the same direction, you've got to do baby, steps, and

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00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: you've got to be talking to each other, not past

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Speaker 1: each other. All right, I lecture over. I know I

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Speaker 1: went long. I didn't think I had more to say,

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Speaker 1: but yes, I just defended what some of you call

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Speaker 1: both siders journalism, and what I call is is creating

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Speaker 1: a vehicle so that everybody is in the same room

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Speaker 1: trying to make their case, and a good journalist is

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Speaker 1: there simply to test the premise of the cases that

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Speaker 1: they are making. And when we come back my history

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Speaker 1: lesson from seventeen ninety six, well, I hope you enjoyed

614
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Speaker 1: that conversation with my friend Frank lavin See and I

615
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Speaker 1: even threw in a question about last week's history lesson

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Speaker 1: about Ford's pardon, and it actually, you know, his answer

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Speaker 1: about that about now Jimmy Carter was a cleansing that

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Speaker 1: country wanted, regardless of whether Ford had shown less contrition

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Speaker 1: towards nexton, which I thought was interesting because it did

620
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Speaker 1: make me think about the moment we're in, right and

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Speaker 1: if we're looking to cleanse ourselves right from this toxic

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Speaker 1: political debate that is just dragging our country down from

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Speaker 1: its pedestal. Is sort of you know, if there were

624
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Speaker 1: ap college football rankings about countries. I think we'd still

625
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Speaker 1: be the number one country in the world, but my goodness,

626
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Speaker 1: we wouldn't have as many first place votes as we

627
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Speaker 1: used to have. And it's because of our internal strife.

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Speaker 1: Right that is our biggest impediment in this country from

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Speaker 1: us doing better things, greater things, helping us advance this

630
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Speaker 1: planet is literally our division is our political division on

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Speaker 1: this front. So September nineteenth, seventeen ninety six, the Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: Daily American Advertisers printed George Washington's farewell address. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: that is the history lesson today. It's the George Washington

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Speaker 1: farewell address, arguably one of are technically our only non

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Speaker 1: partisan president. Right, He was not a member of any

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Speaker 1: political party. In fact, he used this farewell address to

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Speaker 1: warn against political parties. I guess I would argue that

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Speaker 1: if the closest thing we had to an independent president,

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Speaker 1: since George Washington is probably Dwight Eisenhower, and they both

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Speaker 1: shared a title before they became an't didn't they essentially

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Speaker 1: general of our armed forces? Right? So perhaps perhaps there's

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Speaker 1: a pattern here, right' It's you know, these are two

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Speaker 1: men who ultimately only had to see everybody as Americans first,

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Speaker 1: not as Democrats or Republicans than Americans. Right, Democratic Americans,

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Speaker 1: Republican Americans, no Americans. So a few things about his

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Speaker 1: farewell address, a few little history nuggets. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the US Senate on Washington's birthday, it still has a

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Speaker 1: senator read Washington's farewell address, and it's written in some

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Speaker 1: older English, meaning doesn't necessarily translate as easily today. So

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Speaker 1: while I will give you a few quotes, I will

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Speaker 1: give you a more modern interpretation of said quote. So

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Speaker 1: there's a few themes you should know about his farewell address. Right.

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Speaker 1: One of the number one thing he was preaching was

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Speaker 1: unity above all else. In fact, it was the central

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Speaker 1: warning that Washington made in his address is that America's

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Speaker 1: strength depends on national unity. He feared factions, especially factions

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Speaker 1: built on geography. At the time, it was North versus South,

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Speaker 1: or identity. We were having new Americans come over with

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Speaker 1: part of Europe where you from, etc. He feared that

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Speaker 1: was going to tear the Republic apart. This is in

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Speaker 1: seventeen ninety six, today's culture war politics. Our red blue

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Speaker 1: state divides right, our regional polarization, the kind of echo

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Speaker 1: that concern and then some right. His prescription was, Americans

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Speaker 1: must see themselves as Americans first, not America first, but

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Speaker 1: as Americans first, not as members of warring camps. So

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Speaker 1: he wrote, the unity of government, which constitutes you one people,

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Speaker 1: is also now dear to you. It is a main

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Speaker 1: pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support

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Speaker 1: of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad, of your safety,

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Speaker 1: of your prosperity, of that very liberty which you so

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Speaker 1: highly prize. Indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every

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Speaker 1: attempt to alienate any portion of our country, from the

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Speaker 1: rest or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link

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Speaker 1: together the various parts. Please don't fragment the country. Please

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Speaker 1: don't factionalize us. You see where he was going. He

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Speaker 1: also gave a warning he had issued on the dangers

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Speaker 1: of partisanship. He called the spirit of party democracy's worst enemy,

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Speaker 1: predicting that it would lead to cycles of revenge, government paralysis,

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Speaker 1: foreign manipulation, and eventually despotism. Is this familiar the dysfunction

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Speaker 1: of modern US politics, The weaponization of investigations, tit for tat, impeachments,

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Speaker 1: shut down brinksmanship. Once again, our founding father pretty prescient

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Speaker 1: on this one. His advice was to discourage and restrain partisanship.

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Speaker 1: Talk about a warning that was unheeded. Let me read

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Speaker 1: you a quote here. I have already intimated to you

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Speaker 1: the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference

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Speaker 1: to the founding of them on geographical discriminations, i e.

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Speaker 1: North versus South. Let me now warn you, in the

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Speaker 1: most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit

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Speaker 1: of party. Generally, the alternate domination of one faction over another,

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Speaker 1: sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissension,

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Speaker 1: is itself a frightful despotism, And essentially the end state

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Speaker 1: of partisanship gets you further, much closer to authoritarianism than

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Speaker 1: your realize it. I mean, he continues, It serves always

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Speaker 1: to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration.

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Speaker 1: It agitates the community with ill founded jealousies and false alarms,

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Speaker 1: kindles the animosity of one part against another, and opens

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Speaker 1: the door to foreign influence and corruption. He didn't even

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Speaker 1: know about the algorithms yet in seventeen ninety six, and

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Speaker 1: he knew that foreign actors would be using bots or

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Speaker 1: TikTok or something else to stir a vision in this

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Speaker 1: country to weaken us. Washington knew then. He also called

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Speaker 1: for respecting our institutions. Washington insisted that respect for the constitution, laws,

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Speaker 1: and the separation of powers was the bedrock of liberty.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he wrote. Respect for its authority, compliance with

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Speaker 1: its laws, acquiescence in its measures are duties enjoined by

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Speaker 1: the fundamental maxims of true liberty. The basis of our

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Speaker 1: political systems is the right of the people to make

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Speaker 1: and to alter their constitutions of government. But the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: which at any time exists, is sacredly obligatory upon all

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Speaker 1: follow the Constitution. And when you're doing something unconstitutional, that

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Speaker 1: is un American, and it is against the rest of us.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he also called for fiscal responsibility. He

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Speaker 1: stressed that public credit was a national treasure, urging Americans

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Speaker 1: to avoid excessive debt, to accept the taxes are necessary,

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Speaker 1: and to think of posterity in an era of ballooning

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Speaker 1: deficits of polarized tax debates. Wow, Washington's sober call for

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Speaker 1: balancing prudence with preparation is a reminder of the stakes.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he wrote as a very important source of

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Speaker 1: strength and security. Chairish public credit. One method of preserving

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Speaker 1: it is to use it as sparingly as possible, avoiding,

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Speaker 1: likewise the accumulation of debt, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity

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Speaker 1: the burthen with which ourselves ought to bear. Don't pass

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Speaker 1: the debt down to me or to my kids or

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Speaker 1: to their group kids. Is also some hat tips to

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Speaker 1: morality and knowledge. He said, of all the dispositions and

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Speaker 1: habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are

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Speaker 1: indispensable supports. The mere politician, equally with the pious man,

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Speaker 1: ought to respect and to cherish them. Virtue or morality

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Speaker 1: is a necessary spring of popular government. Now, some people

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Speaker 1: will say this that this means it has to be

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Speaker 1: a specific religious or a specific set of morals. We

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Speaker 1: are a country that was founded on a freedom of religion,

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Speaker 1: which also means a freedom not to be religious. But

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Speaker 1: it didn't mean we didn't want to have moral men

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Speaker 1: and women serving in this country, and that morality and

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Speaker 1: I do fear that we have lost some way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have got to figure out how to how to

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Speaker 1: And again this gets it to my quote from Milton

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Speaker 1: Friedman in the first part of my monologue today, which

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Speaker 1: is we need better incentives if you want people to

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Speaker 1: behave with some sense of good morality when they're in office.

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Speaker 1: On foreign policy, many of you know this one. He

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Speaker 1: warned against entangling alliances. This is probably the biggest takeaway

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Speaker 1: he said. Washington's most famous foreign policy warning was to

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Speaker 1: avoid permanent alliances. Here's what he wrote. Observe good faith

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Speaker 1: and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all.

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Speaker 1: Nothing is more essential than that permanent inveterate antipathies against

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Speaker 1: particular nations and passionate attachments for others should be excluded.

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Speaker 1: Don't get fall in love with one nation, Don't let

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Speaker 1: hatred of another lead you down a stupid policy path.

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Speaker 1: The great rule of conduct for us in regard to

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Speaker 1: foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have

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Speaker 1: with them as little political connection as possible. It is

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Speaker 1: our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with

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Speaker 1: any portion of the foreign world. Well, we've gone back

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Speaker 1: and forth right on this one. I think that there's

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Speaker 1: we had a pretty good eighty year run when we

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Speaker 1: had a like minded view with other democracy loving nations.

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Speaker 1: Forming NATO. So I wonder what Washington would think of

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Speaker 1: NATO and whether he would still disagree with it. So

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting I think that's a that's an interesting

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Speaker 1: thing that we would love to find out. What would

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Speaker 1: Washington have thought of NATO? Now he would have to

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Speaker 1: then know that washing that America was the most powerful

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Speaker 1: country on earth, and of course when he died, it

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Speaker 1: was still the country. The most powerful country was not

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Speaker 1: US at that time. It was the country that we

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Speaker 1: revolted against. But anyway, there's your history lesson today. I

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Speaker 1: think the Washington Farewell address, his warning about parties, his

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Speaker 1: concern about factionalism, his concern about what happens when unity

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Speaker 1: is lost. Boy, I found it to be an elixir

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Speaker 1: when I was doing it again. This is you know,

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Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, I look up, I go through

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Speaker 1: all sorts of different there's all these different history websites

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Speaker 1: that have put together this day in history, this week

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Speaker 1: in history, and all this stuff. So I do it

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Speaker 1: for this specific window. And let's just say. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you see it, you're like, aha, the timing is perfect.

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Speaker 1: All right. Let me squeeze in a few questions here,

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Speaker 1: because I know I've gone long today and then right

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Speaker 1: at the end, I'll give you my few quick thoughts

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Speaker 1: on college football. But here we go, ask Chuck. This

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Speaker 1: one comes from j R. Khondur It Kundert from South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: He says, he's originally from Iowa. Go Hawks. We don't

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Speaker 1: need to talk about it. Oh interesting, he says. Hi, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast, and I appreciate how you

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Speaker 1: continue to champion thoughtful, fact based journalism. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear your take on a potential James tollerik Jeff Jackson

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Speaker 1: ticket for president in twenty twenty eight. I know where

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Speaker 1: you're going there. James tallerco's Jeff Jackson's the ag now

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina. James Tyler Rico is running for the

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Speaker 1: US Senate. I'll get to that in a minute. And Jr.

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Speaker 1: Continues to me, both of these guys are explainers in

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Speaker 1: the vein of Clinton and Obama, Smart, clear communicators who

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Speaker 1: connect with people. You often mentioned how Democrats have largely

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Speaker 1: abandoned Texas, but wouldn't this be a unique opportunity to

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Speaker 1: rebuild grassroots momentum there? And with Jackson coming from North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: a state you've identified as critical to reaching two seventy.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a strategically interesting pairing. Thanks for all

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Speaker 1: you do. Look, it's an interesting thought there. I know

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Speaker 1: that Jeff Jackson built quite the following on TikTok when

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Speaker 1: he was a member of Congress. I think he's cut

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Speaker 1: that back a little bit now that he's a law

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Speaker 1: enforcement officer, the chief law enforcement officer in North Carolina. Look, Tall,

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Speaker 1: Rico's fascinating to me in particular, And I don't disagree

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Speaker 1: with you on Jeff Jackson. And in fact, I I

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Speaker 1: admire that he's I admire that Jeff Jackson isn't in

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Speaker 1: a hurry that you know, he he definitely seems to

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Speaker 1: be a pretty gifted communicator, and he is, you know,

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Speaker 1: one step at a time. There was he didn't want

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Speaker 1: to get into a big primary fight with Roy Cooper

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Speaker 1: or you know, okay, you run for the Senate, I'll

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Speaker 1: run for a G. He didn't want to get in

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Speaker 1: a big primary fight for governor. The ag ran for governor.

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Speaker 1: He ran for a G. So I admire that he

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Speaker 1: is sort of like you know, sees it as a

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Speaker 1: I'm not just going to race to try to you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody's got ambition In politics, ambition is a good thing mostly,

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Speaker 1: not a bad thing. You have too much ambition to

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Speaker 1: the point of where you don't do your job right,

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Speaker 1: that's when ambition becomes a bad thing. So I definitely

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Speaker 1: think that that Jeff Jackson is is definitely in the

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Speaker 1: in the a star pitch if this were baseball, a

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Speaker 1: star pitcher in double and triple that you're very interested

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Speaker 1: to see what happens when they come up to majors.

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Speaker 1: Question is what do you view as the majors running

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Speaker 1: for president, running for governor, etc. Ezra tell Errico, I

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Speaker 1: would be a bit more intrigued with his candidacy in

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Speaker 1: Texas if you were running for governor in that Senate.

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Speaker 1: And I'm of a couple of minds here on this look.

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Speaker 1: I do think it goes to what I said earlier, right,

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Speaker 1: I think we need a pastor for patriotism. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think if we had, you know, i'd like I

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Speaker 1: can tell you that you know, the meet the Press

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Speaker 1: I would have done the day would have been James

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Speaker 1: Langford and Ralphael Warnock, two pastors in the Senate, a

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Speaker 1: Republican pastor and a Democratic pastor. But we kind of

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Speaker 1: sort of need that mindset, right, who doesn't Immediately A

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Speaker 1: pastor's instinct is to look for good in anybody that

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Speaker 1: disagrees with them, right, is to look for good there.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is sort of at least did good

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Speaker 1: pastors do this? Right? You know, no pastor wants to

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Speaker 1: shrink their flock. They want to expand their flock. And

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Speaker 1: how do you expand your flock? You have an open mind,

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Speaker 1: you have opened arms, et cetera. So I do think

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Speaker 1: the mindset of a pastor in particular is something that

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Speaker 1: are unhealthy. Culture could use a little bit of. I'm

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Speaker 1: just don't know if he can win a center race

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Speaker 1: in a red state, and I think it's easier to

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Speaker 1: win a governor's race in a red state. One two.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're looking to build a larger movement,

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Speaker 1: you have more success. And if you're trying to speak

853
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: to people in the middle, speak to independence and speak

854
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: to moderates on the other side, you know, it is

855
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: easier to talk to those moderates as a governor candidate

856
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: than as a Senate candidate. We have so the Senate

857
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: is so broken. It is as much as I wish

858
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: senators could go there and all behave like Lisa Murkowski,

859
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, who's kind of a free agent, but she

860
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: sort of has the political luxury of doing that because

861
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: the right tried to get rid of her and they couldn't.

862
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: So she's she's got this, She's she has her incentive structure,

863
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: which is the center and center right of Alaska politics.

864
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the Senate is

865
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: turned into the House. I mean, in fact, I've been

866
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: think about the following right as we're doing these redistricting wars. Now,

867
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: originally the House was elected by the people, and the Senate,

868
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: the US Senate was senators were elected by state legislators.

869
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: Well what if I told you that now our state

870
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: legislatures are essentially electing the House, and it's the people

871
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: that are left electing the Senate. It is sort of

872
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: bass ackwards right from what the founders wanted on this front.

873
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: But I do think because the Senate has become such

874
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: a partisan body, and because they've the filibuster has been

875
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: neutered already, right, sixty votes only now matters in a

876
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: handful of cases, but the votes to confirm people and

877
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: fifty votes to you know, you can sort of get

878
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: out of the sixty vote trap by doing a budget reconciliation.

879
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: You can now do that a couple times a year.

880
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: And so the Senate itself doesn't lend itself to a

881
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: to be persuasive anymore, doesn't lend itself to be a

882
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: convener of to try to sort of be the cooling

883
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: saucer of American politics. If anything, it is now the

884
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: opposite of that. So I and I fear for Tallarico's

885
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: sake if his goal is to become more viable as

886
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: a national candidate, that the partisan nature of the Senate,

887
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: partisan nature of Senate races, now partisan nature of Senate campaigns,

888
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: will make that extraordinarily difficult, and that his he might

889
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: have a hard time keeping the brand that he is

890
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: so well established, we're running for governor might seem harder.

891
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott's got a boatload of money, but he's been

892
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: there a long time, and he he just got what's

893
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: Tallerico became national for fighting the governor, for going so partisan.

894
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: So anyway, you gave me a chance to sort of

895
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: I do I think he is. You know, when I

896
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: look around, I put him in my top five of

897
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: potential presidential candidates right now because he has that Jimmy

898
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: Carter Pete Bootage's quality too, that both of him had

899
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: Carter in the moment back then in seventy five and

900
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: seventy six. Hey, I've not heard of this guy, but man,

901
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: I just feel better listening to him than any of

902
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: the other usual suspects that were running back then. That's

903
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: how Pete Botage felt to many a Democratic voter in

904
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, You're like, Oh, that's

905
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: refreshing younger, not sort of stuck in Washington speak and

906
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I think he's now got a harder time.

907
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: It's it's tough to do that twice, right, you can't

908
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: do it a second time when you've served four years

909
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: in Washington as a cabinet secretary. But that's why I'm

910
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm constantly looking at these new voices. And the point

911
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: is is that I think you picked two really interesting ones,

912
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: and if either one of them ever became the standard

913
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: better for the party, it would tell me that the

914
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: peacemakers were winning the not the dividers. Next question comes

915
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: from Bryaness. Hey, I'm an avid listener and have a

916
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: question about your time hosting meet the press. I get

917
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: frustrated when gets dodged tough questions and hosts let them

918
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: pivots talking points. Both parties are skilled at avoiding direct answers,

919
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: leaving viewers without the clarity they need. How can interviewers

920
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: keep the focus on critical questions like deploying US troops

921
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: and cities or accepting foreign gifts without losing control of

922
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: the segment. So I think there's a simple way to

923
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: do it, which is one guest for the hour or

924
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: one guest for twenty minutes. I think when you, I

925
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: think the flaw in all of the shows right now,

926
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: and this was a look. This was something I went

927
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: back and forth with. I wanted I want guests for

928
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and forty minutes. Most guests won't do it. Okay,

929
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: you know you can get the president and the vice

930
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: president to stick for twenty to thirty. You can get

931
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: them to sit for thirty to forty. They accept that,

932
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: especially if you have traveled to do the interview. But

933
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: outside of them, you start to talk yourself, Well, does

934
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: anybody really want to hear thirty minutes with Chris van

935
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: Holland or does anybody want to hear thirty minutes with

936
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: James Langford. Well, the problem is is that when you

937
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: go down this road and everybody knows it's eight to

938
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: ten minutes. What you just described is why I prefer

939
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: this medium right now then than had what has developed

940
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: these days as for interview segments on what's left of

941
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: traditional media, because everybody's figured it out. I've equated it

942
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: to baseball analytics. Everybody's got the same data. You know,

943
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: the interviewer knows that they only have eight to ten minutes,

944
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: so and they and you know, and maybe you want

945
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: to get that guest back. So then you did where

946
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: am I going to ask the tough question? Do I

947
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: do the beginning? Do I do at the end? And

948
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: then I got to ask these three questions. Maybe you

949
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: promised in order to book them that you would ask

950
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: about this one issue that they care about, and you're like, okay,

951
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: I want to do that. Well, if you agree to

952
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, then then everybody's happy. So I just think

953
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: the short interview it's advantage interview e, not interviewer. And

954
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: if you want to get control of interviews back, you

955
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: got to limit the number of guests you have during

956
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: your hour and and do as you know, give each

957
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: interview segment as long as you possibly can, because the

958
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: longer you have somebody it is easy to bullshit you

959
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: for five minutes, it gets harder and harder every minute

960
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:55,959
Speaker 1: after that. And so ultimately I think that the house

961
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: the glory days of the Sunday shows, they all had

962
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: one guest for twenty to thirty minutes, or you might

963
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: have two guests on at the same time for thirty minutes,

964
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: one D and one R. That was sort of kind

965
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: of standard in the nineties, you know, and you can

966
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: say attention span. And by the way, I'd have producers

967
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: tell me, hey, look that interview went too long. Viewers

968
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: started to get tired and leave, right, So I have

969
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: met the problem, and it is us, but it is

970
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 1: if that's that's the ultimately the issue. Everybody's figured out

971
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: that they can fill either they're not going to be

972
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: up there more than eight to ten minutes, so you

973
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: can kind of fill a buster and kind of avoid it.

974
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: And you know, the few times you know, when I

975
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: have when i'd have you know, i'd go down the

976
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. I'd blow up a panel segment and it would,

977
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, and it would screw up the timing of

978
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: the show, and you know, a lot of producers work

979
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: really hard on these other segments, you know, So it

980
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: is it is the tyranny of time. But you know,

981
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: and you're trying to to put on a show that

982
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: you're getting as many people as you as you can

983
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: to watch it. But in this day and age where

984
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: you can you know, I think I kind of I

985
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of think now I would do if I in

986
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: a perfect world, you do four long interviews and then

987
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: you may present the best ten minutes in a summary

988
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: episode on that Sunday. But say, guess what, there are

989
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: longer versions of these interviews available for everybody. I'm not

990
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: saying that that's a viable way to do it, but

991
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: that would be the ideal way to do it, all right,

992
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: Last question, because it gets me into college football. This

993
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: comes from Chase c from Little Rock, Arkansas. Chuck is

994
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: a lifelong arc Kans and Croud razorback fan here in

995
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: Little Rock. I've always felt our state punches above its

996
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: weight politically. From Bill Clinton and Mikakabi to our current

997
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: governor Sarah Sanders, Arkansas keeps producing leaders who shaped national conversations. Yes,

998
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: that is true, whether it's on education, agricultural cultural issues.

999
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: From your perspective, what is it about Arkansas political culture

1000
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: that gives it such outsized influence and how do you

1001
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: see that playing out nationally in the years ahead? And

1002
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,439
Speaker 1: for your sports page, with all the changes in college

1003
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: football from nil deals to conference realignment, is a time

1004
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: for Congress to step in and help reform the sport.

1005
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: Go Hogs love the show best regards. Well, look, I

1006
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 1: think that I think the the both Mike Huckabee and

1007
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: Sarah Huckaby Sanders in some ways. Oh Bill Clinton right there,

1008
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: thanks for making them national figures. Right he put Bill

1009
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: Clinton put Arkansas on the national map, and I think

1010
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: it didn't allow But but the fact is, even you know,

1011
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 1: before Bill Clinton, you did have it win Rockefeller. You

1012
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: know Rockefeller who was an elected official, Winthrop Rockefeller, I

1013
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 1: believe from from Arkansas, David Pryor and Mark Pryor. David

1014
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: Pryor was considered one of those Southern lions of the

1015
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: Senate sort of in that post Civil Rights era after

1016
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Actors passed on that. And then of

1017
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: course there's the Fulbright Program for J. William Fulbright and

1018
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: Arkansas senator who created the legislation that was about an

1019
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: international exchange program. So the fact is Arkansas has elected

1020
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: some pretty impressive senators over the years. But there's no

1021
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: doubt I think the Huckabee family has Bill Clinton to

1022
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: thank for making it a little more of a national state.

1023
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: As for the look, Congress is going to have to

1024
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: come in in some form or another, even if it's

1025
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: just to create an anti trust exemption, because I do

1026
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: think you're going to get collective bargaining. I do think

1027
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: that you're going to have the athletes in each conference,

1028
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: especially if the conferences can continue to cut their own

1029
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: media deals on their own, Well, how are the quote

1030
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: players going to get a piece of that media deal. Well,

1031
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: they're going to do it with collective bargaining. So then

1032
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 1: we're also going to have like the SEC Athletic Union,

1033
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: the ACC Athletic Union, right Player or Players Association, the

1034
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: Big Ten Players Association. You see where this is going.

1035
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: It's I still think this would all be better if

1036
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: it were done more collectively. Maybe you know there's a

1037
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: the big booster for Texas Tech Athletics has actually been

1038
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: paying for his own advertising. It's been popping up on

1039
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: some college football games. I've noticed where he wants to

1040
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: essentially update the nineteen sixty one Broadcasting Act, which is

1041
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: right now, is what prevents, for instance, the NFL from

1042
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: ever airing an AD after September, airing football games on

1043
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: Friday nights after September tenth. I think it is because

1044
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: from a period of time they cannot compete against high

1045
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: school football, and there's a bunch of windows where they

1046
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: cannot hold games on Saturdays until a certain date in December,

1047
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: and there's some other ways, and maybe updating that gives

1048
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: some creates a way, you know, I personally think that

1049
01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: they ought to be negotiating their TV contracted collectively the

1050
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: entire FBS as one. I think everybody would make more money. Right,

1051
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: you could certainly stagger it and you know, get more

1052
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: money based on you know, size of budget or something

1053
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: like that. But I definitely think Congress is going to

1054
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: come in because where there's where I where I think

1055
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: you're going to see the most, you know, it's it's

1056
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 1: when the football programs in your Dakota's right that don't

1057
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 1: have any football teams in one of the two or

1058
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: three big conferences, those politicians are going to be, hey,

1059
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: we've got to save ours program. We've got to save

1060
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: our our our football around here, and I think that

1061
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: that's they end up being the trigger to sort of

1062
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: getting getting something happened. It can't really be done on

1063
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: the presidential level. There's not much. There's not much he

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Speaker 1: can do. But for your hogs, you've got in the

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Speaker 1: world of nil between Tyson's Chicken and Walmart. If your

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Speaker 1: friends in Fayetteville can't find the cash to build some

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Speaker 1: big time college athletics over there, it's on them, because

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Speaker 1: I've seen all that Tyson and Walton money that floats

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Speaker 1: around the northwest Arkansas these days. It is created and

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Speaker 1: developed a wonderful, huge new metro area. So it's a

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Speaker 1: pretty my guess, it's a pretty easy source of cash

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Speaker 1: for Arkansas athletics. I think that's why our friend mister

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Speaker 1: Calipari decided to go to Arkansas before he was kicked

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Speaker 1: to the curb by our friends in Kentucky. All Right,

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Speaker 1: what we learned this week in college football, Well, I

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Speaker 1: was glad to see Miami as focused. I think Miami.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I don't I don't know if South you know,

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Speaker 1: this is always one of these tyranny. Here's a rhetorical

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Speaker 1: question because I don't have the answer. If you beat

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Speaker 1: a ranked team but that team isn't ranked at the

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Speaker 1: end of the year, did you beat a ranked team?

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Speaker 1: The point I'm making is, so South Florida beat Boise

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Speaker 1: when they were ranked, and they beat Florida when they

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Speaker 1: were ranked. Neither team is ranked now. Well, Florida may

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Speaker 1: not ever be ranked unless they beat Miami next week.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to that game. I sure as he hope

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Speaker 1: they don't beat Miami next week, but they may not

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Speaker 1: be ranked again. So did South Florida beat two ranked

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Speaker 1: teams in a row or not? Right? And so this

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Speaker 1: is I know it's a small thing, but we think

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Speaker 1: we know who the good teams are, but we usually

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Speaker 1: don't know until the end of the year. Is you

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Speaker 1: know it's South Carolina a good football team or not?

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Speaker 1: They were ranked in the top ten. They just got

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Speaker 1: wiped out by Vanderbilt. And you could say, well, they

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Speaker 1: lost their quarterback. They were losing that game with their quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And what Vanderbilt did the Virginia Tech versus what South

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Speaker 1: Carolina did to Virginia Tech on it's nine and day

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Speaker 1: and Vanderbilt was unranked. Now that I don't ranked anymore. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I am mindful that we still don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know, we think we know who's good. I'm impressed

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Speaker 1: with the ap pole that they kept Notre Dame ranked. Now,

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Speaker 1: if it were any other school, the Notre Dame bias

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Speaker 1: may have kicked in, which allowed them to be the

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Speaker 1: first zero to two team in like thirty years to

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Speaker 1: be ranked still in the top twenty five. But if

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Speaker 1: you believe the polls, the two games they've lost, they've

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Speaker 1: lost two games by total of four points to one

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Speaker 1: team ranked fourth and another team ranked ninth. I believe

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Speaker 1: is where Texas A and M ended up, So, you know,

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Speaker 1: or maybe it's ten but either way, but are we

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Speaker 1: sure right now? It looks like Miami's legit. It looks

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Speaker 1: like Notre Dame in Texas A and M are certainly

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Speaker 1: not bad teams. They're pretty good teams. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Georgia and Tennessee are good or if those are

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Speaker 1: two terrible defenses, because I also saw ten See give

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Speaker 1: up a boatload of points up against a Syracuse team

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Speaker 1: that I don't think is that good this year. So

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Speaker 1: is it possible that both Tennessee and Georgia have great

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Speaker 1: offenses and not so good defenses. By the way, it

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Speaker 1: is striking to me that Kirby Smart doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: great defense. I guess we're going to get another test

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Speaker 1: in two weeks when he plays Alabama. So look, there

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Speaker 1: wasn't other than exposing. I think what we learned this

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Speaker 1: week is who's not who doesn't belong right. I think

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Speaker 1: we know Clemson doesn't belong in the top tier this year.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Clemson doubters that are that are

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Speaker 1: feeling their oats right now. Those of us that enjoy

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Speaker 1: Dabbo are enjoying this moment a little bit. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna lie, but Dabo's on a warm seat, not

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Speaker 1: a hot seat, but he's on a warm seat because

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Speaker 1: he continues to sort of try to He believes his

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Speaker 1: way is going to still be able to win, and

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Speaker 1: this is a big bad start for him. As for

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, we know they're good. The question is are

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Speaker 1: they are top ten good? That we don't know yet.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say, considering the Miami's had problems with Georgia Tech,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad george Tech is not on our schedule this year.

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Speaker 1: Although I have this vision Miami's twelve and zero going

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Speaker 1: into the ACC title game and has to play Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if that's the case, maybe they rest their

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Speaker 1: starters and claim they aren't really trying that hard. But

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Speaker 1: we know Clemson's not there, we know South Carolina doesn't belong.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm at on Michigan yet. Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: I expected to play a bit of a letdown game

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Speaker 1: against Temple in Philadelphia, had a weird time start time,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't show any letdown that impressed me. Let

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Speaker 1: me see what they do against all But I'm starting

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Speaker 1: to think that Oklahoma Texas is going to be is

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Speaker 1: going to be extraordinarily meaningful, Like not since both teams

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Speaker 1: were in the Big twelve has this game been that important?

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Speaker 1: Perhaps onto where things go? I mean, put it this way,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Texas could afford a second loss at

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Speaker 1: this point. And let me just do a little bias

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Speaker 1: commentary here. What's with the lack of interest in Carson

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Speaker 1: beck is a Heisman candidate. It's interesting to me that

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Speaker 1: people are still insisting Arch Manning is just look at

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Speaker 1: the just do a blind taste test on that one.

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Speaker 1: Do your blind test, and Carson Beck, arch Manning, do

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Speaker 1: your blind test on Frankly, Carson Beck and anybody you

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Speaker 1: want to put in there. He's not being talked about.

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Speaker 1: He's sort of like in the he gets written up

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Speaker 1: as others receiving votes, you know, like you know, we're

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Speaker 1: not ignoring him. But anyway, I think the guy deserves

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Speaker 1: a little more. But hey, in some ways, I don't

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Speaker 1: want Miami's heads to get too big. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: Game Day is going to Miami. It shows you how

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Speaker 1: kind of weak the college football slate is. Next week,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the last time Game Day went

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Speaker 1: to a game where one of the two teams had

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Speaker 1: a losing record. Because Florida's one and two playing Miami,

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Speaker 1: but they're coming down to the U. Let's just say

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Speaker 1: that there's a certain senior at the University of Miami

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Speaker 1: that's related to me that is ecstatic. She's been hoping

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Speaker 1: Game Day would come and out of for four years.

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Speaker 1: She was bummed last year when they decided to go to.

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Speaker 1: The only Miami game Day there was was the one

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Speaker 1: in Berkeley when they went there for cal I was

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Speaker 1: starting to think it was going to be Tallahassee, though,

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Speaker 1: I think because of the way ESPN treated Florida State,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure they would be very welcome they went

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Speaker 1: to Tallahassee, considering how ESPN was arguably the reason why

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Speaker 1: Florida State got left out of the College Football Playoff

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Speaker 1: despite being undefeated at the time of the selection process,

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Speaker 1: So maybe they wouldn't be quite welcome for the Florida

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01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: State Miami game, which is going to be in the

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Speaker 1: first week of October, a natural potential place for game

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01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: day to go if both teams are unfeeded. The only

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Speaker 1: other game that would have competed with Miami in Florida

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Speaker 1: is probably Indiana and Illinois, which just as a derivative

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Speaker 1: of family from the Midwest. I love that Illinois and

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Speaker 1: Indiana is a meaningful game. I've googled it. I'm sticking

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Speaker 1: with signetti anyway. So there's my two or three cents

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Speaker 1: in college football this week. I'm just relieved Miami has

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Speaker 1: survived and advanced, because that's the beauty of college football.

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Speaker 1: Every week. You don't get eliminated after one loss anymore,

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Speaker 1: but every week there are some teams that are eliminated.

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Speaker 1: And I do want to be careful saying Clemson's been eliminated.

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Speaker 1: They can always backdoor their way in because they always

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01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: figure out how to back door. They weigh in. But

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Speaker 1: this doesn't look like uh, it just looks like a

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Speaker 1: team that feels like they're going to continue to come

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Speaker 1: up short. All right, with that, I will take a

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Speaker 1: forty eight hour break. We will upload on Wednesday. With that,

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Speaker 1: just remember you don't have to be angry. Being angry

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Speaker 1: is a choice. Choose grace. See you in a couple

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Speaker 1: days