1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. What's up, everybody, 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: and welcome back to another edition offseason style of Fantasy 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: Football Weekly. I'm your host, John Legaza. Follow me on Twitter. 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: I had that how creative. I'm here with Michael Padre 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: and yours, mister Jake Tambridge. You could follow our work 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: at Fantasy Life. Mister Jake, how you doing, man? Did 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: you recover from the tsunami of news that hit? 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I I I'm trying. I'll say it's pretty 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: cold here in Wisconsin, but it's pretty pretty pretty hot 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: in free agency. So much for legal tampering. By the way, 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever heard or observed a 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: more oxymeron term than what we experienced with that this 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: past week. 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 1: John, Yeah, I'll tell you what. I just let that 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: kind of go right past me. As soon as the 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: league is starting to talk about legal criminality, I'm like, 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: all right, I'll just pay attention to the actual chefter 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: bombs that were hitting, and they were hot and heavy. 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: As we were talking about off air, it started with oh, 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: maybe we'll mention this ooh That was kind of interesting too. 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: I've now had to tier rank, you know, the news 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: as it's coming enough for every position. I decided to 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: prioritize by ADP. I'm gonna be looking at live ADP 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: because those drafts are going right now, and I guess 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 1: we'll start at the very top. Big money going around 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 1: from Indy signing Daniel Jones. They're bringing him back two years, 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: eighty eight million dollars. I mean money aside, because my 29 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: brain will multify focus on that too much. Jones proved 30 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: to be a pretty important piece to that team. I 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: think they all over exceeded expectations and it just kept 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: going right, Jake. They kept racking up those wins, looking 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: good while they were doing it, and then when you 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: pulled out Jones, the losses started. He went down. They 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: lost to Jacksonville, then they lost to Seattle, they lost 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: to San fran and then Jacksonville again. Down the stretch 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: and they went from one of the Super Bowl favorites 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: to outside looking in. So talk to me about Jones, 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: and I think let's talk about potential winners and losers 40 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: in the trade, and then we'll talk about maybe where 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: we have them in fantasy drafts. Again, these guys the 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: very top I think it's worth talking about. We can 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: get to all the secondary and tertiary guys in another 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: episode if we have to. It's a long offseason. 45 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: Take it away, Jake, it is a long offseason. So yeah, 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: let's not bite off the apple too harshly here. I 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: will say with Daniel Jones, probably the thing that helped 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: him get this contract, John, is what you alluded to. 49 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: They brought in Philip Rivers, and for everybody it's a 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: fun narrative. It was a fun story. But I don't 51 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 2: know if you were Daniel Jones that you could have 52 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: picked a better replacement for your off season value than 53 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: fifty nine and a half year old Philip Rivers. So 54 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: from the money standpoint, I say, why not, you know, 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: the re signing, why not? What else was Indy gonna 56 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: do here? It didn't make sense for them to go 57 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: after Tua or Kyler or even Cousins. Really, they certainly 58 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: don't have a shot at the rookie, you know, Fernando Mendoza. 59 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: They don't have the draft capital for that. Daniel Jones 60 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: is comfortable, he's familiar, and to your point, he did 61 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: look good in that system. I mean, he hit career 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: highs and yards per attempt and yards per completion and 63 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: baser rating and success rate and all these nice metrics, 64 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: but for fantasy, he still has to work his way 65 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: back from an achilles tear. So I don't want people 66 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: to be over the moon for drafting this guy. You know, 67 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: it's a late round dart throw. Maybe we'll see how 68 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: his injury timeline coalesces as we get a little closer 69 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: to the season, John, I think we'll probably see some 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: Riley Leonard early on, maybe a couple of games, which 71 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: maybe isn't the worst thing. Is he somebody that's on 72 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: your radar for drafting purposes right now. 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: I know he's a little bit younger than the example 74 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm about to bring up, but Kirk Cousins went from 75 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: really good NFL quarterback to stone footed, below replacement level 76 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: QB that isn't playing right now, and those injuries really hurt, 77 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: even if you're not running, which we want Joanes to 78 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: do a little bit of right so that immediately you 79 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: think is going to be hampered. But also, I know 80 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: this sounds weird, but there is an element of footwork 81 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: in the play action game, and that's where they were 82 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: so great. You mentioned a lot of the really great 83 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: Jones stats. He had a triple digit passer rating, which 84 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: you don't always expect. But what really stood out for 85 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: me was all the numbers in the play action game 86 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: Shane Stike and really kind of understanding that in and 87 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: out game right, Shaq to Kobe, Jonathan Taylor, bring him in, 88 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: then work them over the top to Pierce. We're going 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: to talk about him in a little bit, which works 90 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: so well in this system. But I don't know, I'm 91 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: a little bit worried in this first go round. Maybe 92 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: I'll be back on board next year when I'm expecting 93 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: full health. Right now, Daniel Jones going at pick one 94 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: point fifty not much of a discount for a guy 95 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: that we have question marks about and there's health concerns. 96 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: We don't even know if he's gonna suit up week one. 97 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd be pumping the brakes on Jones and 98 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: the Colts, and I think maybe to expand a little 99 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: bit more Jake is we saw even Jonathan Taylor's value 100 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: kind of sync. Right. If we're talking about symbiotic relationships, 101 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: you need the run to set up the deep pass. 102 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: If one piece of that machine is starting to break 103 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: and sputter are both coming off the wheel. I'm a 104 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: little bit worried. How about you? Would you pay up 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: a premium for Taylor? Right? A guy like Taylor who 106 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: was healthy and we expect full workload, but we saw 107 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 1: the downside from the non functional offense? Are you willing 108 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: to pay up that Jonathan Taylor price tag right now? 109 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: It's six and a half. 110 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Now, it's too much, it's too high. I'm not gonna 111 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: pat myself on the back here. Maybe a little bit, 112 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: maybe tiny event. Last year I was all in on 113 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, but it was because of where he was 114 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: going at ADP. It seemed like a drastic undervalue for 115 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: that guy. And ironically it was because in part we 116 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: didn't know what was going on with the quarterback room. 117 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: We still don't know what's going on with the quarterback room. 118 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, Jonathan Taylor is going much higher. 119 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: And yes, obviously he did amazing things last year. His 120 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: touch count is also getting a little high up right now. 121 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: And we have seen certain running backs when they reach 122 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: an age, start to decline from a fantasy efficiency standpoint 123 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: when they rack up all those touches. So you know, 124 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: I'm not saying, hey, you can't draft him before the 125 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: third round. I'm not saying anything like that. But there's 126 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: a bunch of running backs that he is sort of 127 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: going right after, because that's a tiebreaker for me. 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: John, Yeah, after that campaign with yourself from Taylor, there's 129 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: no way he's making it into the second round. And 130 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: I think that's where i'd probably have him right now. 131 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm in like the twelve to fourteen range. I think 132 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of out at the back end. I 133 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: also try and play into certainty. It is a game 134 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: of uncertainty, but once you get as many red flags 135 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: as we've mentioned, I think they're fairer. That's when I 136 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: get off a player at number six. Another big QB 137 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: move Malik Willis on his way to Sonny, Florida three 138 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: year deal with the Dolphins, sixty seven and a half 139 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 1: million to play for the Finns. Willis showed us top 140 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: side right he got that start. Now, I think that's 141 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: gonna have to come with every piece of analysis would 142 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: be the lack of sample size. But in a little 143 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: bit we've seen from Willis, it was great. He played 144 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: a very good Baltimore defense last year, Week seventeen goes 145 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: for two eighty eight and one, then nine sixty and two. 146 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: All fantasy players there. Antennas are shaking right now as 147 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: they pop out of our head, Jake. But lots of 148 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: systemic changes also right McDaniel kind of leaving. I think 149 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: that might have helped. With guys that we like that 150 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: are quick to help. Creates face a lot of moving 151 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: pieces in Miami. What do you think about Malik Willis 152 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Right now, let me just put a price tag pick 153 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: one twenty in early drafts. 154 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a weird area 155 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: with the draft four quarterbacks because I think there's going 156 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: to be a whole lot of guys, some of them 157 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: with a lot of experience, some of them, as you say, 158 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: with a very limited sample size, like Malik Willis, where 159 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: we just don't know because everything has changed around them. 160 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: It's just not that Miami got a new quarterback, as 161 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: you said, they have a new coach now, they have 162 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: a new GM, they have a completely new play calling system, 163 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: they lost Tyreek Hill. There is a lot of pieces 164 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: with this. I will say, as a Packers fan, it 165 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: makes me a little sad to see him go, but 166 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: it's nice to see him go to some place where 167 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: there is Packers associations already, Jeff Hafley, John, Eric Sullivan, 168 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: those guys are over there in Miami. You said the 169 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 2: limited sample size that should be the red flag for 170 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: Malik Willis, But you also can't count it against a 171 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: guy because he did extremely well in limited circumstances. Right, 172 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: if you get an opportunity, we just want to see 173 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: you thrive, So indulge me just for this one here, John. 174 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 2: It's one stat, but I do think it's a great stat. 175 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: Willis had the highest EPA per dropback of any quarterback 176 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: in the NFL last year. EPA that stands for expected 177 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: points added, basically a measure of QB efficiency, Right, how 178 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: much did their individual play help the team out, help 179 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: them score. Yeah, he only had fifty eight plays, but 180 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: so what, there were fifty eight great plays. So I'm 181 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: not going to go crazy and draft him as an 182 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: obvious QB one. But when we get into this Daniel 183 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: Jones versus Malik Willis territory, I'm going Willis for sure. 184 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah to me, no question by you and I are 185 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: going to get along just swimmingly. If you're going to 186 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: be dropping EPA bombs. Ep is really awesome, though I 187 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: think it's important to understand that scrambling effective running does 188 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: very much positive impact EPA, which a good in fantasy. 189 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: Is fine, but it does, but not that that matters again, 190 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: if we're not holding the small sample. Argument against willis 191 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: for a spreadsheet honk like myself. He went. But then 192 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: is my goodness? He completed thirty of thirty five for 193 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: four twenty two three tds without a pick. He completed 194 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: eighty six percent of his passes. Just three percent of 195 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: those passes were off target. That was good for a 196 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: one forty five and a half passer rating over twelve YPA, 197 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: double digit air yards per attempt, percentage to the sticks 198 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: over fifty one, first down per attempt north of fifty four. Again, 199 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,479 Speaker 1: no picks, positive epas against man zone and too high 200 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: and he runs. Oh my goodness, there is a lot 201 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: to get excited about in a vacuum. My worry is 202 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: again the contextual environment. I don't know what's gonna happen 203 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: with the coaching staff. I think maybe that's yet to 204 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: be seen, right Jeff Haffley, I don't know a ton 205 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: about him. I think we'll see more kind of hash 206 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: out in the offseason. My worry again when we look 207 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: down range at the complementary pieces. Now, a Chan is 208 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: a legit superstar superstar, but I think the running of 209 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: Willis might hurt a Chan. I also, man, there's a 210 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: galaxy brain here, right, there's a wish cast where the 211 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: two of these players have a RPO kind of one 212 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: to two punch where this is one plus one equals 213 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: three and they're both like incredible finishes. There's also a 214 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: world where maybe the pieces in Miami are not great. 215 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: You know, I think Green Bay had a lot of 216 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: really good pieces, right, Watson to work deep, Dobbs intermediate, 217 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of weaponry where I'm not sure if 218 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: we're getting that in Miami right now. You mentioned Hill, 219 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, off to other pastors, the waddle thing, but 220 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: that's another kind of short range, high probability target. Jake. 221 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: Right now, my initial instinct is oppositions, right opposing defenses 222 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: are just going to stuff the absolute box and make 223 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: Miami beat them, maybe over the top, and I don't 224 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: know if they have that weapon talk to me about 225 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: Miami meta. Again, it's early, so we don't have to 226 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: be definitive but tell me what you think who had hurt? 227 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: Who you like of this? John? 228 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: This feels like Greg dauwstch eraser, and I won't stand 229 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: for it. Honestly. It's a good point, though, because there 230 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: are a lot of offenses that we say on paper 231 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: you should be a lot better, and for fantasy you 232 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: should be better just individual talents. Mean it's not the same. 233 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: But look at the Raiders and you go, oh, you 234 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: have Ashton Genty and you have Brock Bauers. You should 235 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: be pretty dominant from an offense. There's so many other 236 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: pieces that go into that, and it's obviously not that easy. 237 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: The Raiders showed that last year. Not to keep picking 238 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: on them, but it is a little bit similar this year. 239 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: You have Jalen Waddell and you have Devin h Chan. Okay, 240 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 2: I honestly I do like Greg Dolson's just a little 241 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: bit as a dart throw for fantasy, but he's not 242 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: the guy that's gonna scare your defense. So I think 243 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 2: you're right to temper expectations. Even Jalen Wattle, if he 244 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: starts creeping up here as this undisputed wide receiver one, 245 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: I don't think I like that, you know, hopefully they 246 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: add somebody in the draft, is what I'll say. 247 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually an excellent quad, is right. We see 248 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: these moves and we try to anticipate the subsequent effects, right, 249 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: the butterfly effect when you drop a pebble in the bond, 250 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: those kind of concentric circles that are gonna happen. I'm 251 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: looking at EVP now, I'm seeing Devin ah Trin at twelve, 252 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: which I mean a goodbye because again, super talented. We 253 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how it's gonna pan out. He should 254 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: be a focal point no matter what. Wattle was the 255 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: next player at fifty two, and I'm immediately kind of like, oh, okay, 256 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: maybe that's not as high as I thought. Me kind 257 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: of anticipating what you were saying. That is the thought 258 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: gonna be unequivocal wide receiver, one hill out of town, 259 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: double digit targets every week, and a part of me says, 260 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: I mean, intuitively, it's definitely possible. I don't think Miami 261 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: is done here. After that, it's Malik Washington outside of 262 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: drafting range and pick two twenty, so I guess if 263 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: we're just talking in terms of ADB Matt Waddell is 264 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: too cheap at fifty right as constituted. Now, I don't 265 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: think they're done like I mentioned, but man, if you 266 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: can't only have three players on an NFL team going 267 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: inside pick two twenty, so maybe there is some interesting stuff. 268 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: I get. We're gonna move away from quarterbacks, Jake in 269 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: a minute. This last one. I had to bring it 270 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: up because you and I mentioned this, So I think 271 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: this might be our first gold star of the offseason. 272 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: Where we mentioned being careful with looking at these cap 273 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: situations because of the creativity and you know, kind of 274 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: wonkiness out there. And it was the Chiefs who went 275 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: for the worst situation to a top twelve situation. And 276 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, and I dreamed on a world where they 277 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: signed maybe a ken Walker, Well Patrick Mahomes converted forty 278 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: four million dollars in base salary plus a ten million 279 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: dollar roster bonus into a signing bonus, creating forty three 280 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: million dollars off catspiece whatever that means, Nor do I care, 281 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: But they did create that scenario, and they brought in 282 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: ken Walker three years, forty three million. It actually happened, though. 283 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: Look at us, you know, looking kind in. 284 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: The horns and yeah, right, so we look in very pressient. 285 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: So you shook the crystal. Well once what do you 286 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: see for ken Walker? And the same thing hurt? Who 287 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: does it help? Way do you like him? 288 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: Well, we did talk last week, and it is funny 289 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: that it actually happened, because this was always the dream 290 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: scenario and we just felt like it never really happens 291 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: with the Chiefs and running backs. So now that it 292 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: has now, I really have to think about how high 293 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: will I draft Kenneth Walker, because at the time, you know, 294 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: last week, I just felt like, oh, there's not a 295 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: lot of room for him to move up from where 296 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: he is I think towards the beginning of the third 297 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: round or somewhere thereabouts he was. Now I just start 298 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: looking at he's behind. I think right now Bucky Irving 299 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: and Josh Jacobs and Chase Brown, and I say I 300 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: want him over all three of those guys in this 301 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: situation because also the Chiefs did partly to get their 302 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: cap I guess in order ship off their two best cornerbacks, 303 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: and now their defense looks a little rickety, and so 304 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: maybe the offense under Eric Bienemy once again has to 305 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: shift towards a little bit more electricity. They've been kind 306 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: of tempered down the last couple of years. Maybe we 307 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: get vintage Patrick Mahomes once he's back from injury, and 308 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker's a big part of that. So I would 309 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: take him over Irving Jacobs Brown. I think i'd also 310 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: take him over Omarion Hampton. Right now, the Chargers signed 311 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: Keaton Mitchell. It's not a huge deal. We don't have 312 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: to really talk about him, but it's kind of a 313 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: nice complimentary piece there for Mike McDaniel offense, and Omarin 314 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: Hampton might just not get as much pass catching work 315 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: as I want. So I think Kenneth Walker's at least 316 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: over those guys. Does that seem fair? 317 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna I'd be conducting the Kenneth Walker hype train. 318 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm put it out already. I'd rather have them over 319 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. I'd rather have them over Jonathan Taylor. It's 320 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: the situation. Kansas City is not playing around. I think 321 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: they understand competitive windows. I also think Patrick Mahomes had 322 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: a lower body injury, and I don't know if we're 323 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: gonna see him spry and running around like they have. 324 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs understood where the failure was in 325 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: that offense. It was. It's really amazing what they've been 326 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: able to do. The Chiefs not just sustained success in 327 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: the toughest league probably on Earth, and it's changed their identity. Right. 328 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: At one point they were the high flying Chiefs and 329 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: they were gonna beat you over the top, scoring forty 330 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: eight points. Then they were the beat you between the 331 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: tackles with the run in defense Chiefs. That kind of 332 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: fell apart because they I mean, they took running backs 333 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: or replaceable a little too far last year, and now 334 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: I think they understood the assignment a little bit better. 335 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: These year to date rushing stats are just one. They're unacceptable, 336 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: but really just not on par with the team that 337 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: we think of. As I know, they didn't have the 338 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: wins last year, but we still thought of the Chiefs 339 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: a winning team. Forty percent rush rate, just one hundred 340 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: and six rush yards a game, four point two per rush, 341 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: and just two and a half yards after contact per rush. 342 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: They had Jake chased this out. They had three twenty 343 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: yard rushes the entire season, the entire season. Walker could 344 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: do that in a single game. They were gonna change 345 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: the entire way that this offense is going about their attack. 346 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: I could not be more bullish on Walker. I think 347 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: the twenty ADP is lagging the move. I think we're 348 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: gonna see that move up. I don't think everyone is 349 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: gonna get as hot on his AVP as I am. 350 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned Hampton at fifteen, Love at sixteen, Barkley sixteen. 351 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: I think he has to at least be in that conversation. 352 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: I think he should be in the conversation again at 353 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: the turn with jenty and a chance. So yeah, I'm 354 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: very hot on Walker. Not to mention Jake, we didn't 355 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: even mention. I want to kick this to you. He 356 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: started catching balls at the end of the year, right, 357 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: This is something that we do as analysts say he can't. 358 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: We make the claim he cannot do the thing. But 359 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: if you don't call the play where he's gonna do 360 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: the thing, we don't know. Then that opportunity popped up 361 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: after scho But he went down, Jake, and he started 362 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: catching the ball. We were seeing the three four catches 363 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: every single game. I mean, so, do you think that 364 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: catch floors day, that reception floor? And if so, why 365 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't he be going into turn. 366 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 2: It's a good point. It's a really good point. It's 367 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: a little bit of like Melvin Gordon coming out of college. 368 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: It was like, ah, this guy can't catch a ball 369 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: because Wisconsin didn't throw the ball to never had the 370 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: opportunity all of a sudden. I mean, Kenneth Walker. It's 371 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: different because now he's a few years into his NFL 372 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: career and we still hadn't really seen it. But no, 373 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: it's amazing to see that because all it says is 374 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: if it is dump off city in this chief Chiefs offense, 375 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: he's not gonna be pull off the field for some straggler, 376 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: for Brishard Smith or whoever they are throwing out there 377 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: on third downs, could still be Kenneth Walker. So I 378 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: think you're right, and I think maybe I am being 379 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: talked into drafting him over HM right about. 380 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: Now, Oh, I got some The stats here are just 381 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: it's really just it's insane when you look at what 382 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: Walker did last year compared to anyone else whatever, nondescript 383 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: you know, replacement level running back between Hunt and Pachecko 384 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: and Cech and Damian Pierce. It was just just crazy, man. 385 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: I mean you look at the success rates, explosive rush rates. 386 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: So again I mentioned the twenty yeard rushes. Between Hunt, Pacheco, 387 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: Pierce and that entire backfield, not a single one of 388 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: them had an explosive rush rate north of three and 389 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: a half. Walker's was ten. You know, the main backs, 390 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: the top three, no one had a success rate over 391 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: forty six. I see, and we we were in the 392 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: fifties and it was against a higher rate of eight 393 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: man boxes and stuff. And again I mentioned Walker's number 394 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: was ten last year. So Walker had more than triple 395 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: the twenty yard rush rates. Sorry I jumbled some of 396 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: those stats up, but it's really crazy to think a 397 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: Chiefs that we think of as a well coached team 398 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: that's going to do the right thing stylistically and schematically 399 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: put a legit good player into their real weakness. I mean, 400 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: its wheels up for Walker, and I think again Mahomes 401 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: are going to look to protect him. So all about it. 402 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: Let's say in the backfields here, Travis Eten money money, money, 403 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: money kind of thought. Right, we were talking about you 404 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: and I against specifically, we're talking about Adon running backs 405 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: as a luxury pick. Well, not so much. He went 406 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: to the Saints four years fifty two mill to play 407 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: with my guy Tyler Shuck what do you think about 408 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: to move for eight and again a lot of moving pieces. 409 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: I'd also like you to maybe get into the Jacksonville stuff. 410 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: We've had more than enough of me today. 411 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 2: John, I just I guess, don't. I don't get Etn's 412 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: whole deal at this point. I look from a volume standpoint, 413 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: I go, well, yeah, that should be nice for him 414 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: in New Orleans. I mean, I'd be surprised if Alvin 415 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: Kamara is too involved in the Saints offense this year, 416 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: although maybe he is stile the preferred pass catching back, 417 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: or maybe he still gets traded this offseason. Who knows. 418 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: From a volume standpoint, I like it. But nothing about 419 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: what Etn himself did in Jacksonville last year. I guess 420 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: jumped off the page. To me. His improvement for fantasy 421 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: purposes just came from the improvement of the Jacksonville offense overall. 422 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: I think everything kind of started trending in a much 423 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 2: better direction for the Jacksonville offense, and so Eten came 424 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: up with it. He rose with the tide. But I 425 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: don't think Etn is somebody who's going to change a 426 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: backfield by himself. I do think that the implication here 427 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: for the Jaguars with Basial Tutin, and they also just 428 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: signed Chris Rodriguez over from the Commanders. You know that's 429 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: gonna be an interesting back. I'm not willing to commit 430 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 2: to Baschhel Tutin as a high volume back still, Like, 431 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: I still think it's gonna be split, and it's gonna 432 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: be annoying, and I'm probably not gonna love the Jaguars 433 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: backfield for fantasy. I also think that this move with 434 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: the Walker signing John really does change the entire structure 435 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: of the first round of the draft coming up, because 436 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: both the Saints and the Chiefs to me stood out 437 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: as like the two best landing spots for a running 438 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: back and so ooh, imagine if rookie Jeremiah Love lands 439 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 2: in one of these situations, it's gonna be amazing. Well 440 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: they're both gone, so there's still other good spots left, 441 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: but not this good. So this really is a pretty 442 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: big chain reaction. 443 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: John. Yeah, this one really shook up that pond that 444 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: I was speaking about before. So, okay, first eight ten, 445 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I think you really need the most important point. He 446 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: needed to thrive off a volume. Now, lucky for him, 447 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: he very well. They get that in New Orleans. They 448 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: got very little out of the rest of the running 449 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: back room there right now, it's an agent Kamara who 450 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: should be back. He said he wouldn't go anywhere else. 451 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: And then it's you know, Kendre Miller and Devin Neil 452 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: and Estimate and Hall and those guys, besides struggling to 453 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: stay on the field, have struggled with any semblance of 454 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: efficiency or fantasy viability when they were so I do 455 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: think eighteen can get there. But the people that felt like, 456 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: oh a ten breaking free from Tuton equals another one 457 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: of these wheels up, major bullish move. Not so sure. 458 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: Eight ten had just three yards after contact per tenth, 459 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: which is really not great. A negative ePaper rush, forty 460 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: two percent success rate, sub six percent explosive rush rate, 461 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: and it was only against an eight man box thirty 462 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: one percent of the time. He also had a negative 463 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: or zero I like to count those, and that was 464 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: really elevated nearly one a little bit more. Action was 465 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: twenty one percent. More than one fifth of his carries 466 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: went for zero or negative. And the explosive stuff wasn't great. 467 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: He did excel in the past game. I think he's 468 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: going to be huge there right We've seen New Orleans 469 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: for as long as I could remember. Now be just 470 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: fine with working running backs into part of the pass game. 471 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: So I think as far as PPR fantasy goes, he's 472 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: still gonna be Dravis eight. Team is still gonna be fine. 473 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: Right now? Is a pick thirty two feels a little 474 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: bit rich. Maybe he's right next to Breisee hall Is 475 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: at thirty one, Bucky Irving, Kirrin Williams. So I don't 476 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: know if I'm really getting to atn Can I get 477 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: you really quick? I'm big on Tyler Shuck. So do 478 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: you think they're gonna draft a QB? That's been one 479 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: of the talks. Not to derail us too much, but 480 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: I think we're probably gonna caught it after we finish 481 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: up with the Jaguars running back and again we'll come 482 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: back and cover everyone thorough. But you did mention the draft. 483 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: Do you think we soar enough from Shuck that he's 484 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: be careful the guy in wounds? But do you think 485 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: they'renna give him run? Do you think he's the starter? 486 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 2: I thought that his his draft position last year, how 487 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: high they drafted him basically cemented that I know a 488 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: lot of people jumped on him because he's old. He 489 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 2: was very old for a rookie prospect. He was alive 490 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: for like I don't know, nine Lord of the Rings movies, 491 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: it was, it was a lot. I do think that 492 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck that like the eras that I tend to 493 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: look at these these through. I do think that Tyler 494 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 2: Shuck is good enough. And I don't think that the 495 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: Saints are in the market to drastically improve their quarterback 496 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: because they're not getting Fernando Mendoza this year, and that's 497 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: the only quarterback that I would see as a vast 498 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 2: improvement over Tyler Sho. I wouldn't even say vast, but 499 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 2: a improvement over Tyler Shuck. Otherwise, do they add somebody 500 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: later on for depth for competition, Sure, maybe they do, 501 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: but Shruck's the guy in my view. 502 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Schuck look good, he looked competent and 503 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: they were limited. Again, we mentioned how run games effect 504 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: pass games. No better example than Indy and it matters everywhere. 505 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: Especially for a rookie. You really want him to have 506 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: the safety blanket of knowing they could get three or 507 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: four yards when they needed to, and that kind of 508 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: fell on his shoulders. Another guy loving quarterbacks run. Obviously 509 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: we all do as fantasy guys, so I like Shockunham 510 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: glad that they're gonna stick with him and look to 511 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: build around him. New Orleans could be one of the 512 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: sneakier offenses. I was kind of hoping to get a 513 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: little bit better off a discount on Aten, but with 514 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: not much behind him, we probably won't. I want to 515 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: wrap up on the Jaguars here because again a ten 516 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: leaving opened up the conversation for Basil Tutan. Who if 517 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 1: I had to bet on the clubhouse favorite for like 518 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: early dark horse to dominate social media conversations for this offseason, 519 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be Tutin. Right. He was really explosive, 520 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: and we're points at the end that even after returning 521 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: from being banged up, he was getting the ball in 522 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: critical spots. That said, there was a lot of efficiency, 523 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: which we love, but not I mean, he didn't have 524 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: a twenty yard rush in the regular season, sub four 525 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: percent explosive rush rate, sub four yards per attempt. Are 526 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: we ready to anoint this guy? Because that's what's happening. 527 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: Tuton is the guy right now. Right there are people 528 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: saying he's the game breaker I'm not seeing it. Where 529 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: do you think the real answer is here? Maybe I'm 530 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: a bit cold, and maybe the Twitter streets are a 531 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: bit too hot. As usual. 532 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: As usual, I've I've been putting this as a pretty clear, 533 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: you know, trade away window, like for anybody who has 534 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: Basil Tuton in dynasty, this to me has been the window. 535 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: Preferably it would have been right before they actually signed 536 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: to Chris Rodriguez. What I expect out of this backfield is, yes, 537 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: big play potential for Bachil Tuton, but I comp this 538 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: very similarly to last year's New England backfield. We wanted 539 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: Trayvon Henderson to be the guy. He is the explosive guy. 540 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: We want him to get all of the touches. New 541 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: England did not feel the same, and everybody had written 542 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: off Romondre Stevenson. They wanted more Ramondre Stevenson. He turned 543 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: out to be more reliable for them. It wouldn't shock 544 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: me at all if Chris Rodriguez is the more reliable 545 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 2: guy in this backfield and we're a little bit bummed. 546 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: It's not to say that either of them will be 547 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: unusable for fantasy, but I don't think that we see 548 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: such a clear cut. Hey, drat this guy in the 549 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: top fifteen and you'll be set kind of thing. 550 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really love that. I think I wish I 551 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: had access to better ADP data, and bless all the 552 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: people drafting right now, but I would personally like to 553 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: see a men and a Max pick right. So Baseiel 554 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: touton right now. His ADP is sixty, so on its 555 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: face for me, sixty feels fair. My worry if we 556 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: increase right. So, if you're to get him in the 557 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: sixth round, I think you take that. Rodriguez not great 558 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: in the passing game, and I think if we can 559 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: dominate all the aerial stuff, even if we're gonna lose 560 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: some of the goal line work, I think Tutin is 561 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: gonna be fine in the sixth round. My worry, Jake 562 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: is he now goes more fourth, and then once people 563 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: see the fourth, you gotta get him in the back 564 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: of the third, and before you know it, he's the 565 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: hive mind and the fomo takes over like nothing else, 566 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: and we really we do get a kind of self 567 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: fulfilling movement here. This steam is palpable. My worry is 568 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: he's going to move up and he's going to get 569 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: vultured because I think Chris Rodriguez is a better runner 570 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: between the tackles. I don't want to say he's a 571 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: better football player. I don't want to say he's a 572 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: better fantasy asset. I don't believe that, but I do 573 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: think of the yards have the contact was much better, 574 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: the EPA was much better. The explosive rush rate was 575 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: nearly triple facial tutins, you know, the negative attempt that 576 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: I like to say was lower. He also had two 577 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: twenty yard rushes even though you know he didn't really 578 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: see a lot of work. Again, I think the separation 579 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: is going to be in the past game. But if 580 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: you were to fast forward and tell me, you know 581 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: what I was worried about is this is a Atlanta 582 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: Falcon situation. Now. Granted, if you get Bijon out of 583 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: Teuton where he's going, you know you're doing dances in 584 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: the street, obviously, But what I meant was almost a 585 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: very clearly delineated job description where Rodriguez is bigger and 586 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: stronger and better at getting three yards. I'm afraid that 587 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: coach staff is going to see it the way that 588 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: I do, so before we go, because I think this 589 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: is the last one ADP sixty Right now for Tuton, 590 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: I think it's fair if we both liked it. There, 591 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: where's your cutoff point? Shake? And I think count there 592 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: anything that you think I might have? You know what 593 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: you think you might disagree, dominating the passwork, losing the 594 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: goal line stuff on what we think is going to 595 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: be a good offense. Where do you cut it off? 596 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: Where you have to say too rich? 597 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: I still think if he gets up into the fourth round, 598 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: I just have to be clearly out because again it 599 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: is the exact same trajectory for Trayvon Henderson from last offseason, 600 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: where I said, if it's the end of the fifth round, 601 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 2: I'll start thinking about it because there are so many 602 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: players and I'm okay if I'm wrong if I draft 603 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: him there. If I'm wrong, if I just over project 604 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: his volume, all right, what am I missing out on? 605 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: I'm missing out on maybe a safe player that doesn't 606 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: have a lot of upside. You know that I could 607 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 2: have drafted in that spot instead in the fourth There 608 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: are still way too many high impact fantasy players that 609 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm not going to risk completely whiffing there. So I 610 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe if we get into the even the 611 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: start of the fifth round off to see who's going 612 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: around him at that point, I might just be out 613 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: on touton it sounds like John I have. 614 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: The cheshre cat smile on. We're not video here, but 615 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: because I saw right where that point, so I agree 616 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: with you not to bury the lead Looking ahead at ADP, 617 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: But you mentioned Henderson. Who would you rather have Treyvon 618 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: Henderson or Patial Tuton. 619 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 2: I think I would rather have Baseall Tutan because there 620 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: is more untapped unknown there, so both have a lot 621 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: of risk. But I don't think RAMANDRII Stevenson is going 622 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 2: away at all in patriots Land, whereas we might have 623 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: more opportunity with the Jaguars. Yeah. 624 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: Again, I'm looking ahead and I see you know Javanta Williams. 625 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: I know it's vanilla, but if he's gonna be the 626 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: lead back on a very good offense, we've seen what 627 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: that can do. Man Scatabo is going there. I think 628 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: I'd rather have Tuton because I worry about their return 629 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: from the injury, maybe just overall quality of the Giants. 630 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: Quenching Judkins is there. R J. Harvey. Yeah, I think 631 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm with you. I think I have Tuton 632 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: right around Javanta and after Aten kyn Williams. So right now, 633 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: I think we're placing him right where you are, right 634 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: like the fifth round. I think if he falls to 635 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: the sixth, we're really happy. If he moves up to 636 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: the fourth, I'm probably seeing thanks, but no thanks. There's 637 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: other positional stuff that I could wrap up with Jake. 638 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: I had another blast that was really cool. I'm gonna 639 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: keep a running list of all the moves. And that's it. Everybody, 640 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: take care and enjoy. I hope everyone is enjoying the show. Rate, 641 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: review and subscribe and all that good stuff. So from 642 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Jake and John, take it easier. So long,