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Speaker 1: I'm here with some official business. That's right, podcasts can

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Speaker 1: an announcement, a few announcements. First up, we are doing

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Speaker 1: a special episode for Thanksgiving. We're doing an Earnestness Bonanza, which,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, is when George and I dropped

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Speaker 1: the bit and we are as earnest as we can

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Speaker 1: possibly be while answering your questions. So you can email

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Speaker 1: us questions at Tradio Lab at gmail dot com view

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Speaker 1: that the next few weeks we're gonna record relatively shortly,

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Speaker 1: so get those questions in for our earnest to bananza,

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Speaker 1: and we are gonna you know, ironic attachment found dead

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Speaker 1: in a ditch. It's only being sincere, so um email us,

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Speaker 1: ask us whatever. And we're excited for that. And then

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Speaker 1: we have three live shows. Okay, that's crazy, but it's true.

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Speaker 1: Three live shows. The first one is on November nine

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Speaker 1: at the Bell House in Brooklyn, New York City, City

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Speaker 1: that Never Sleep, as part of the New York Comedy Festival.

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Speaker 1: And we just founced the lineup, which is to die

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Levic. That's gonna be huge. And then we have

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Speaker 1: two shows in l A, Los Angeles, Baby Hollywood, California.

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Speaker 1: The first one is a part of Vulture Fest. That

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Speaker 1: is on November twelve at six pm. We're doing a

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Speaker 1: special format for that, which I'll announce soon. And then

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Speaker 1: we're doing a classic Tredeo lab live on November fourteen

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Speaker 1: at the Allusian Theater, Damn crazy, and we'll announce line

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Speaker 1: us for those soon. But tickets are available right this second.

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Speaker 1: Either go to those websites or go to our We

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Speaker 1: have them in our Instagram bio, which is pretty punk

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Speaker 1: alive and well and it's in our Instagram bio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think that's everything. Enjoy this episode. I think you know.

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Speaker 1: I can say without any doubt or question that it

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Speaker 1: is one of the greatest casting episodes of all time.

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Speaker 1: And that's it. Okay, have fun by Okay to it.

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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. Hello everyone, and welcome to Stradia lab. Um. Wow,

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Speaker 1: the podcast has in fact started. I here's what I'll say.

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Speaker 1: You know, the last We've been recording on weekends recently

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Speaker 1: know what they got me. They got you the way

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Speaker 1: that you were gloating previous episodes about how this is

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Speaker 1: And instead we are in fact standing David Sedaris and

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Speaker 1: Lankston Kerman? Yeah? Um, Leanston, how are you feeling today?

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Speaker 1: We're in the same boat here. I went to a wedding,

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Speaker 1: You know. Can I ask you something and I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: And the funk up thing that Hollywood does is that

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Speaker 1: I have no issue with the roles. I enjoyed the work.

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Speaker 1: I think the writing is important, but you got to

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Speaker 1: leave me the funk out of it because it's not

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Speaker 1: if only Timothy shallowm and Jared Letto were were straightforward

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Speaker 1: But y'all are like a shoot your shot dog. It

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll group chat about it and move on with

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Speaker 1: actually a really weird um message one time that feels

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Speaker 1: for you? M m, I mean I think Sam's like

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Speaker 1: I never thought about that before. I thought it was

424
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: just for me. I really thought it was just I

425
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: thought I was a special boy. I don't I don't

426
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: know what this but you was right. But he's like

427
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: kind of casting a wide net and sort of seeing

428
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: who gets where my pudding boys? That where it was

429
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: out there somewhere. So it was a bucket of a

430
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: large thing of a large bowl of putting that he

431
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: pulled on his head a vat which means like more

432
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: questions like did he like empty a bunch of little

433
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: cups of putting and putting the number one question yea?

434
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: Or four pack he emptied the head. That's commitment. I mean,

435
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: that's so much time spent on a very niche fetish.

436
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: But hey, you know you got the time. I see

437
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: what you do. You want that to be special to you,

438
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: and I respect that if you do, if it's all

439
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be special, Yeah, I mean it

440
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: means more. I mean it's kind of like when someone

441
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: is being um, even even in a platonic non sexual way,

442
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: when someone is kind of like you know, talking to

443
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: a lot at a party, or even like, okay, this happened, Sam,

444
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: this happened yesterday to both of us. Where there was

445
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: someone a good acquaintance of ours, I would say, someone

446
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: who kept kind of every time he would be talking

447
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: to someone, he would be very tactile, like touching like

448
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: the back of their neck and like going very close.

449
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: And each time when it was you, you were like,

450
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: maybe it's me, maybe he loves me, and then you

451
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: would see him kind of going through every single other man. Yeah,

452
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: we uh for pause with Sam j the at one point.

453
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: We had these two very buff gay dudes playing like

454
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: her gay security guards for a big and one of

455
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: them was arguably the most gorgeous human being I've ever

456
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: seen in my life, like objectively, just a fucking god

457
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: amongst men. And he wouldn't talk to me, like, he

458
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't like, you know what I mean, Like he was

459
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: very like, he wouldn't say hi, he wouldn't like yeah,

460
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, a good job, bro, and he wouldn't.

461
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: He just like and like move on. And it hurt

462
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: my feelings so bad because I just wanted him to

463
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: like me because he's you know, he's fucking gorgeous, please,

464
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: big gorgeous man like me, and he wouldn't. Like it's

465
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: tough when, um, it's really tough when you can so

466
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: clearly tell someone is I'm talking to you because they're

467
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: more attractive. And that's what hurt the most, really like,

468
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: And it does happen, like obviously, like it happens everywhere,

469
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: but it does especially happen in gay spaces when you're like, oh,

470
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: I see you actually don't see me, Okay, I don't

471
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: exist all right, Yeah there was last night, Sam, were

472
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: you there? This was Sam and I read a gay

473
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: bar yesterday, like during the day, and this was only

474
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: like six pm, but a separate group. There were just

475
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: three muscle uh muscle guys just kind of forming a triangle,

476
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: and they kept each just making out with the other,

477
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: then turning and making out with the one next to them,

478
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: then the other turned. It was just like it kept

479
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: going in a circle. But it was so like streamlined

480
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: and choreograph that it didn't even seem sexual. And it

481
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: was just like and now you know, I obviously clocked

482
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: that instantly, Um, and was it was insane. I was

483
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: so into it. I was so jealous. I was like,

484
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: look at you guys stetting up the little DA time

485
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: threesome like on the sidewalk at six pm, and like

486
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: almost being like tasteful about it, like not being like

487
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: we're like would not be surprising. They were all sober

488
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: like like, okay, that's sick work. Then that's not good. Yes,

489
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: I agree, we're going back in al right, we are back.

490
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: You know, we had we had a technical difficulty for

491
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: those listening, and um, we're not gonna address it. So

492
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: we're back. So we're back. And actually what's amazing is

493
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: we're going to do our first segment, and Langston, our

494
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: first segment is called straight Shooters. And in this segment,

495
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: we gage your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture

496
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: by asking a series of rapid fire questions basically this

497
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: thing or this other thing. The only rule is you

498
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: can't ask any followup questions about how the game works,

499
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: and it's not supposed to make sense, So get that

500
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: out of your head right now. All right, Okay, I'm

501
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: in George. Do you want to kick us off? Yes?

502
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: I shall, um. This is so much more dramatic with

503
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: my camera off. I love it. It's got real big

504
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: brother energy. No one can tell if I'm making kind

505
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: of a face making fun of them, all right, Langston.

506
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: A framed print or a famed stint in a luxury

507
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: rehab facility for exhaustion, Give me that framed print, okay, Langston.

508
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: Weird flex but okay, or she's giving nothing but it's

509
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: kind of a sleigh. Weird flegs but okay, okay, Langston.

510
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: The Fall of the Roman Empire or the rise of

511
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: pickle ball, the Fall of Roman Empire okay. Mortal enemies

512
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: or immortal pals a k a. Best friends Forever? Uh,

513
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: Immortal pals, best Fstagram, the super Bowl or the decorative plate.

514
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: Honest lady, I'm going with the creative plate. Yeah, okay,

515
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: silver springs by Fleetwood Mac or golden showers by a

516
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: consenting partner. I'm going Fleetwood Mac. Give me, give me Fleetwood.

517
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: Um well, okay, a MacArthur genius grant or Old McDonald

518
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: had a farm. Wow, I just like the way you

519
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: say McDonald's. I'm gonna go Old McDonald had a farm. Okay,

520
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: knowing all that glitters is not gold or finding out

521
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: all that glitters is not gold when you were today

522
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: years old the first one. I'm not saying all that back. Um,

523
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think that was an incredible performance.

524
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You know trained for things like this,

525
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: and yes, that's right, that's why we practice, you know.

526
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: That really felt almost like a performance of what a

527
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: pod cast segment would feel like. Like there's something about

528
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: that particular one, that run of it where I was like, oh,

529
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: I sound like a podcast person, Like I sound like

530
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing like a a segment on a podcast in

531
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: a way that could be a rude awakening. We like

532
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 1: to think of ourselves, Is you think of ourselves? Kind

533
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: of ironically podcasting, not quite. You know, everything has industry.

534
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: Of course you're both hosting the Daily to me, you

535
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: know you're both Michael Barbaros as far as I'm concerned.

536
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a huge figure in this pod and

537
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: and a mentee of both of ours, actually a mentee's

538
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: studying under under your Yeah. Yeah, he's getting there, but

539
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he's not ready for it to be

540
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: on areat for us. I want to believe that you

541
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: guys are the ones that taught him to uh to

542
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: go whenever somebody's talking. I mean, Michael Bobarro in many

543
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: ways is so relevant to our podcast because he was

544
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: of formerly gay man who now is married to a woman.

545
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: Is that true? I'm not, I'm not. I don't know

546
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: how he identifies, but I do know that he was

547
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I believe, either married or long term partnered with a

548
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: man and then fell in love with his producer who

549
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: was a woman. And now I think they're definitely together

550
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: and maybe have I don't know if they have kids,

551
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: but they're together. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, pretty thrilling. Michael barbar

552
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: kind of this thing that's kind of this thing that

553
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: has been written about and literally, like so many articles,

554
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: and yet no one really it never stuck. It's like

555
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: this strange thing where like no one really knows about it,

556
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: even though it's kind of like a salacious piece of gossip. Well,

557
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: he's also like, uh, one of those figures where it's

558
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: like I don't know anything about him period, you know

559
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I don't I'm not looking up

560
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: Michael barbar you know what I mean, Like, I don't

561
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: care what that guy. One time I started looking up

562
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: Terry Gross and I was like, actually, I'd rather not.

563
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to wait, I don't

564
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: want to know if she's married, and I don't want

565
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: to know like where she's from. Like is this gonna

566
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: make my my day better? No? Yeah, it could only

567
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: slow me down to learn about these individuals. You know

568
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: what Michael Barbow thing annoys me. I hate the here's

569
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: what else you need to know today? He like luxuriates

570
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: and saying that so much, and like it's like he's like,

571
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: here's what else you need to know today? And it's

572
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: always reminds me you need to not today. It's like, yeah,

573
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: he's like trying to find like different like melodies for it,

574
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: and it's like calm down, like deliver the news, okay,

575
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: don't like sing me a song. It's very like, you know,

576
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: the podcast equivalent of like seeing a theater actor who's

577
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: clearly like doing Juilliard, like, yes, we know you've studied,

578
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: you know you are clearly like making a choice. Here

579
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: here's my I I do think that at some point

580
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: he became self aware inside of the bit I completely

581
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I think the first

582
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: couple of episodes he was he was like, oh, that's

583
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: just how he talked, and it had some weird intonations.

584
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: But then at some point he heard people making fun

585
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: of him, he was, well, now I will I will

586
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: wear that badge proudly and do it worse than I

587
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: did before. Yeah, exactly. I mean he is in that

588
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: sense doing almost like a Nathan for You type cringe

589
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: comedy and that you know we have. Yeah, that's always

590
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: how I would describe the daily Yeah, this is a

591
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: Nathan for you a p It's a satire of a

592
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: daily news podcast. It really is, though. I mean when

593
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: he does his reactions, like when someone is talking and

594
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: he goes m but it's always them saying something real

595
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: regular and he's like yes, like people are being like, well,

596
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, the election is next year, and he's like, whoa,

597
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I hope he starts doing that. Yeah he should, he

598
00:33:50,200 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: should start. Okay, say that. So the adventums are coming up,

599
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: say that, speak on it, speak on it. Wow, man,

600
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: we should be producers on that show. I completely agree.

601
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: I think you got to be producers. And and I

602
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: think you gotta fall in love with him and start

603
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: a different kind of family. Yes, yeah, next, you know,

604
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: he's done gay, he's done straight. Time to do Polly.

605
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: It's actually it's time for Sam Me and Michael Barbara

606
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: to be those three hot guys at the bar six

607
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: so six pm. And while the other one's kissing, you

608
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: gotta go. Yeah, two of them are kissing. The third

609
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: one is like, okay say that. Wow, um, should we

610
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: introduce our topic. I think we should absolutely get into

611
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: our topic today. You know, I'll say this before we

612
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: do that. It is so tempting right now to turn

613
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: my camera on because everything is going well, and yet

614
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: I know in my heart that if I do that,

615
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: things will stop going well. And I just wanted to

616
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: put that tension out there and kind of address it

617
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: for what it was. Well, you know what that is, Um,

618
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, do you know the preparedness paradox? So it's

619
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: like when you over prepare for something like like, then

620
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: that's the thing you're fearing doesn't happen and you feel like,

621
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: oh I wasted, I overprepared. But if you under prepare,

622
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: then the thing that you're trying to avoid happening does happen.

623
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: So I'm um, does that make sense? Yeah? Yes, I'm nodding.

624
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: You can't tell because again my cameras on, that makes

625
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: perfect sense that there's so many times like I didn't

626
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: even have to do all that, but I definitely need

627
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: to do all that, you know, to make sure I

628
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: didn't fail miserably. Yeah, a lesson for everyone working at

629
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: Verizon in charge of my home's internet. You can never

630
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: over prepare when setting it up, so next time, you

631
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: know what, reach higher. Yeah, because George will have to

632
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: move in order to get good Internet. I literally will move.

633
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: I swear to God, Like, yeah, I don't think you

634
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: can live like this forever. It's just crazy, all right.

635
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: Um Lankston, we would love for you to introduce your

636
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: topic and maybe say a little bit about well, I

637
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: think it's straight Oh sorry, Well, and I think introduced it,

638
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: and I think we can all talk about how we

639
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: can go today. But let's introduce. Okay. The topic is poetry, poetry, poetry, poetry,

640
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: and you know, full disclosure, I did kind of I

641
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: put that on you. You joined, and I said, I

642
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: want you to talk about poetry, because you said, listen, bitch,

643
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: this is your topic. And I said, George, and you said,

644
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: shut the funk up, this is your topic. Lankson, really

645
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: I heard, since I like, I don't even know if

646
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: it counts as a I don't even know if this

647
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: is George said, I want you to talk about poetry,

648
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: and that's final. And but I do think Lankson, you

649
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: were a little hesitant because you're like, I didn't know

650
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: that was straight. Yeah, it was called gay for a

651
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: long time. I see what you I see what you

652
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: would think that for sure? Yes, for for doing poetry.

653
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Though it blew my mind away that that this was

654
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: a straight thing, George, and you actually did push it

655
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: as a straight topic. So I would love to hear

656
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: maybe what what you were thinking about it. Yeah, I

657
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: mean to me, it's like poetry. Okay, I'll say this

658
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: poetry as an art form, except is queer it's you know,

659
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: it's like you are playing with language. It's not literal.

660
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: It is um of course has a history of literally

661
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: essentially how closeted people speak. Is the poetry. You know,

662
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: there's no denying that I think. And I'm kind of

663
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: thinking through this in real time, so if it doesn't

664
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: make sense, then you know, go off me. But I

665
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: think that the kind of afterlife of poetry. I'm thinking

666
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: readings at weddings. I'm thinking Ruby Car the instagram poet.

667
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, like instagrams where people will post,

668
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, three lines scribbled on a piece of paper. Um.

669
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. It's also kind of very like

670
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: the Moody Guy. It's almost like adjacent to like an

671
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar, something a guy does to impress a girl.

672
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: I will say that that is one of the leading

673
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: causes for my entering poetry, was just really just trying

674
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: to impress girls that I was I was either in

675
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: love with or thought I was as a fucking, you know,

676
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: eighth grader. Whatever the fun did it work? Now? Never once,

677
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: not once? You know, all he got out of it

678
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: was hoole picks. Yeah, you're at zero. Whole front door

679
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: back from those ladies. Wow, I definitely see the like, okay,

680
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: Georgia pointing of two things, the intersection of in degrams

681
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: and poetry that is like pinterest vibes, that is very straight,

682
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: like the aesthetic of poetry where it's like it's not

683
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: about like reading it and being like moved by it,

684
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: it's about like, doesn't isn't this a cozy feeling? Like

685
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't give me cozy? I think plagiarism sounds like

686
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: the straight element of poetry. It's just taking the words

687
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: of somebody who was, you know, actually dealing in these

688
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: flowery thoughts and then being like this, this is how

689
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: I feel about my mom. That's yeah, that's my mom.

690
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: And it's also like, um, there's all these kind of

691
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: obvious poems that make their way around every you know,

692
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day poems, uh, like poems associated with holidays. It's

693
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: a sort of shorthand. It's a kind of easy way

694
00:39:53,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: to project something artsy. Right. Yeah, it's a way pretending

695
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: that you've read more than you have. Like every if

696
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: you if you post a poem or a fucking quote

697
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: from a poem, I think you've read like a bunch

698
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: of books this year and I you know, if you

699
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: down you know you haven't m M. I want to

700
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: know Linkston, when you were in you went to Did

701
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: you go to school for poetry? I went to Yeah,

702
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: I have a a m f A in poetry. So

703
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: how is that in terms of like the how are

704
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: the vibes? Oh? They were, they were vibe baby. Now yeah,

705
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: we it's a weird uh education because you just are

706
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: with this tiny cohort I attend there were nine nine

707
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: other people in the classroom. Uh, and so we just

708
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't meet up twice a week and critique each other's

709
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: poems and and then uh part ways like that was

710
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: the gig for however, the funk long I had to

711
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: do it. Um, would you say that that with a

712
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: poetry m f A program count more straight or gay?

713
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking the question. You're asking the tough ones.

714
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: And Uh, I'd say, if I'm following some of what

715
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: George is putting down, I'd say it's more straight than

716
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: it is gay. Yeah. I think I think it's it's

717
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: very sort of like stringent in its it's processes, and

718
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: it really is like the the study of the word.

719
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: Once you start studying and ship. I don't. I don't

720
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: really associate that with gay culture. That's y'all seem freer

721
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, you have big dumb idiots. That's what

722
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: I've always believed. Educations for straight people, well, you thing,

723
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: you are absolute right, Yes, I mean the queer element

724
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: of poetry is how um, you know, how God, what's

725
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for? Like not improvisational, but like,

726
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: you know, it just flows out of you. It's kind

727
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: of like a way to express things that can't be

728
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: expressed pros you know, that kind of thing. And then yes,

729
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: when you study it, it's almost like you're trying to

730
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: create rules for something that should be you know, lawless

731
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: someone lawless. Yes, yeah, no, I the queer version of

732
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: it is is guy who stands up on a on

733
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: a cafeteria table and just starts saying a poem out

734
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, and and boy is it a

735
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: good poem and everybody. That's the energy of it. But

736
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: the you know, the straight version is like a I've

737
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: got a journal with three versions of the poem written out,

738
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: one I like better than the other kind of thing.

739
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, like, in terms of the place

740
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: of poetry, and our current world. I think, for instance,

741
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: something that is straight is kind of suburban moms loving

742
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: Amanda Warman. Ah, yeah, that is real. Yeah, I think

743
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: Amanda Gorman maybe the straightest poet ever in history. Yeah. Yeah,

744
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: that was such a weird thing when it was like

745
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: strange she did it, and then everyone was like, Okay,

746
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: I've always loved poetry my whole life. This is this

747
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: woman I can tell as a genius poet and I

748
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: love her. And it was like you what are what

749
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: is anyone talking about her? Because she was put in

750
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: this impossible position where she was like twenty two I

751
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: think when it happened, and like you know, she's still

752
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: like working through like her style and and and what

753
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: she wants to say, and then suddenly now she is

754
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: forced to write. There was like I read somewhere she

755
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: like wrote some kind of home that was commissioned about

756
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: like climate change, and you could just tell, you know,

757
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: she doesn't know much about climate change yet she's young,

758
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: she's in her early twenties. Yeah, she was really kind

759
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: of like rhyming polar bears with you know, Moehler hairs.

760
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, she has a children's book now that that's

761
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: a thing. Like there's so many, so many versions of

762
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: the thing that she's now obligated to do because she

763
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: was invited for a very stupid thing in the first place.

764
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: Like who at any of these things? Yeah? Truly. I

765
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: mean it's funny to see the afterlife of the two

766
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: breakout stars of the inauguration, which was Ella m Hoff

767
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: and Amanda Gorman. Suddenly Amanda Gorman has to write poems

768
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: about climate change and l m Hoff is a full

769
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: on runway model, and you're like, Okay, maybe just let

770
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: this be its own moment, Like the inauguration is over. Yeah,

771
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: you don't have to you don't have to keep obligating

772
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: this girl to to doing dumb stuff. Let her be free,

773
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: Let her be free. Oh my god, I um, I

774
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: actually get embarrassed thinking about like being in college and

775
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: thinking like being like like loving to pretend, not pretend,

776
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: but like loving to like get really into poetry, like

777
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: I would like love to like get a book and

778
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: like be like, oh, I'm like just sorry, I'm reading

779
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: a book of poems right now. Just like really feel

780
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: like a lot of feelings, Like life is so crazy

781
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: and I'm like nineteen, and it was so embarrassing as

782
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: a thing, and I am trying to decide whether that

783
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: is gay or straight, But I almost think straight because

784
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: you're like wanting to appear like you keep you have

785
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: appearances of like intellectual rather than like being intellectual. Were

786
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: you out at that point where I was one foot in,

787
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: one foot out? It was like that was straight? That

788
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: was that was you giving up that that little straight

789
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: jacket for right at the end where now I'm still

790
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: I still might need to try to get pussies, so

791
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: maybe this will be. That was very much like I'm

792
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: never gonna wear a speedo. I'm going to read poems,

793
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: and it was like, no, bitch, poetry, Like I feel

794
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to think if there's other there are

795
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: other things that like this, But it's almost like poetry

796
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: cannot exist outside your preconceptions about poetry. It's almost like

797
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: impossible to just read a poem for what it is

798
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: without being like I am reading poetry totally, you know

799
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: what I mean totally. I also think a newspaper is similar.

800
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I can I can consume the news in plenty ways,

801
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: but if I'm reading a newspaper, I'm like, this is crazy.

802
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: Look like reading a newspaper, like I can lose myself

803
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: in a book. I can lose myself in an album.

804
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: I can you know, even go to a museum. But

805
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: there are certain things where you're just very aware part

806
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: of the movie where you are reading a poem. Yeah,

807
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: I I did. I have an entire master's degree in

808
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: this ship, and I agree with you. The entire time.

809
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: I was like poetry, huh, we're still We're in poems.

810
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: These are poems. I would even argue being in a seminar,

811
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: like in a in a grad school seminar, is similar

812
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: to that where you're so aware of like this is

813
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: like I'm in Dead Poets Society, like you are very

814
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: aware of the fact that you are giving feedback for

815
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: to someone's work and and in theory being uh, this

816
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: is what's gonna make me a professional, this is what's

817
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: gonna make me a finished man. To face the world

818
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: is giving feedback to two poems, will be like you,

819
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: and the feedback is always the same, Well, first of all,

820
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: this is a poem. We should just let's start there.

821
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: Let's just start there. This is a poem. It's just

822
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: it's just everyone going around saying, well, that is a poem,

823
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: and then everyone snaps well, I think when when you

824
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: were reading that, I think the first thing I picked

825
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: up on was the fact that it is a poem.

826
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: And the second thing I kept sort of picking up

827
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: on is the fact that we're in a poetry m

828
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: F a program that really says it all, like it's

829
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: really just well, that was a poem, and we are

830
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: grad students that'll be intandent for today. Everybody good, Yeah,

831
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: I really like that lying about the fact that this

832
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: is a poem. Wow, I'm like, where do we This

833
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: is one of those things I actually it does feel

834
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: straight in a very honest way. We recently did an

835
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: episode on footwear, and I actually feel like it was

836
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: a as a topic. We completely failed our listeners because

837
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: we were like, well basically we ended up being like

838
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: we were like trying to talk about sneaker culture, and

839
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: we kept talking about like, um, Carrie in Sex and

840
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: the City wearing high heels, kept like talking about like

841
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: loafers and like sort of what our shore. You couldn't

842
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't unsee yourself inside? Yeah, yeah, but this feels

843
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: this actually does feel straight. Even though there is um

844
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: countless queer longings in poetry, this it really does feel straight. Yeah,

845
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: can I tell you what straight E commings how come welcome?

846
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's something about and listen E

847
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: commings of course, supremely talented poet. He doesn't need me

848
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: to say that, but I don't think he's listening. I'll

849
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: be real with don't you think that he's like the

850
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: platonic ideal of poem you would read at someone's wedding

851
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: as the reading Mmm, I can see that he It's

852
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: it's like an E commings. Mary Oliver is a name

853
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: that comes to mind where it's like, okay, yeah, that

854
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: it was built for this. Yeah, I mean we do

855
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: George sort of in the same way we were defending

856
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: David Darris earlier. I think when it comes to E commings,

857
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: we have to respect that. If it were not for

858
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: E comming mother, he is mother. It's not for commings.

859
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: Pop stars would never do like song titles with all

860
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: lowercase coming his mother and without him, there is no

861
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: God as a woman on a ground Nu absolutely absolutely

862
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: the fucking weekend spelling his name the way he does that,

863
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: that's the comings baby. Yeah, we have him to thank

864
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: his mother and we need to respect that. I'm trying

865
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: to think did e Cummings or Bell Hooks come first

866
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: in terms of spelling. Obviously, Comings. What if my you

867
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: take was bell Hooks was copying? Everyone would really love that.

868
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: I think that should be the title of the episode.

869
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: Very passionate about the fact that Coming people think she's

870
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: such an original. She's just doing commings. Drag oh man, listen,

871
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: if nothing else, I'd I'd be in y'all mentions for

872
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: hours just enjoying you would you would get fewer holes

873
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: and more just playing out hate mail. People would be furious. Yeah,

874
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: we get a lot more pudding videos, but noncal just

875
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: wanting to traumatize us, Sam. Have you seen I'm taking

876
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: a risk by asking this. Have you seen the film

877
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: in her Shoes? Darring Cameron Diaz? I not seen this well.

878
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: It is, of course about two sisters, Cameron Diaz and

879
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: Tony Called. And at some point it's revealed that Cameron

880
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: Diaz might be illiterate because you just never learned to read.

881
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: And at the and then at some point Tony Call

882
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: gets married and Cameron Diaz reads An E. Cumming's poem

883
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: at her wedding, and and she has learned to read.

884
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: Is this is this a comedy? Is that it's you know,

885
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: the question you're asking is so important because the reason

886
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: why it's not more successful is because it is unclear

887
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: whether it's a comedy or not. They didn't know how

888
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: to sell it. Really, but it is actually a really

889
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: good movie that I've seen maybe five times. But it's

890
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: but so she can't read, and that's like a funny thing.

891
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: It's not to be honest, I don't remember the part

892
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: about her not being able to read. I can't remember

893
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: how literal that was, or if it's just that she

894
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: was like a bad student and she was insecure. But

895
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: but basically there's two sisters call it is like the

896
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: brainy one who's like insecure about Cameron Diaz being hot,

897
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: and then Cameron Diaz is like the slutty, dumb one.

898
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: And then she moves in with Shirley McClain in her

899
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: old in her kind of nursing home and finds herself

900
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: by being a kind of surrogate daughter to all these

901
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: older women. I hope that this is the movie that

902
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: the last movie she did before she retired. I hope

903
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: this is her goodbye to the game was pretending not

904
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: to read and then just being like, exactly do you

905
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: think it's like, you know, to read Et Cummings, it's

906
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: like Cameron Diaz reading Et Cummings in a wedding in

907
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: a movie is exactly what the Cummings was meant for,

908
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: which I think to see. I do not think that

909
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 1: he would love hearing this were here. Yeah, well, well,

910
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I want to be immortalized. I

911
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: would love for someone to sort of read a trans

912
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: up to our podcast in a big feature film in

913
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: fifty years and that where everyone's on Molly with all

914
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: their own goals. Have we like gotten to the bottom

915
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: of poetry? I actually think we've gotten to the bottom.

916
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: You think it would be a complicated topic, you'd be wrong, Yeah,

917
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: I I do think, uh, and I was wrong when

918
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: we started that that although I think I think the

919
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: judgment and and sort of like it's almost like uh,

920
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: some mean hate crime e ship where it's like people

921
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: are just using poetry as a weapon to call people gay, queer, whatever.

922
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: But in reality it's a pretty straight It's got a

923
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: lot of straight ship death poetry. Jam I remember that

924
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: that's death felt straight as fun to me most death

925
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: is hosting it. It's very straight. There's also something almost

926
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: like because it's such a gay art form, then it

927
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: allows for the men, toxic men to actually be even

928
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: more toxic because they're like, well, I'm a poet. Yeah,

929
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: it's a shield for toxic men. But poetry and literature

930
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: are shields for toxic masculinity, and they need to be banned.

931
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. There are I know about as

932
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: many creeps in the poetry world, exactly in the comedy one,

933
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: and uh uh yeah, I think that's true. You can

934
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: be a little you can be like that dude y'all

935
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: were describing who's like real touchy. You can be that

936
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: in a poetry space and it's like, oh, he's of

937
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: the Earth or some ship. Yeah, well, just to be

938
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: clear length and he was gay, so it was okay. Yeah,

939
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: gay guys can't be creepy. Famously, they can be empowered. Yeah,

940
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: gay guys can't be creeping. Well, Sam, should we do

941
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: our final segment? I think we should not so, um

942
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: it is kind of not so, but I'm trying to.

943
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: I guess like we pretty much. I want to just oh, oh,

944
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: this is what I want to say about poetry. At

945
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: a final point, I want to make up a poetry Um,

946
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, how like. I feel like on Twitter there's

947
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 1: like a meme sort of that's like like, how come

948
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: like now gay guys dressed like this and straight guys

949
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: dressed like this, and it's like the gay guys and

950
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: like all baggy clothes and the straight guys are Yeah,

951
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: the gay guys in all car heart and the straight

952
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: guys and like teeny tiny shorts and like a tank top,

953
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: and it's like when did this happen? And I feel

954
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: like poetry has kind of had that um journey where

955
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: it was like doing poetry used to be like a

956
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: dog whistle for you are gay, and now it's a

957
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: dog whistle for you are straight. In a different way.

958
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: That's straight man trying to have good straight sex with

959
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: his works. Oh god, I well, yeah whatever. I don't know.

960
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: I also tried to write poetry in college. I was

961
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: so bad at it. I would always be like I

962
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: would be like, this is the most serious, like soul

963
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: bearing thing I've ever written in my life, and people

964
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: will be like I found this really funny, and I'm

965
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: like wrong, wrong, there are rules to this. It's not

966
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: just open ended. I mean something. Yeah, let me just

967
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: explain it to you really quick. Yeah, that that's honestly,

968
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't write poetry anymore. And that was one of

969
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: the main reasons I stopped, was like, oh, this is

970
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: too serious, Like at a certain point, this is truly

971
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: just me having to be endlessly serious, and it would

972
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: be nice to to just talk about whole with with

973
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: the fine gentlemen. Yeah, yeah, I mean you can't talk

974
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: about whole in poetry anymore. No, they banned it. They

975
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: banned it when they decided poetry was straight, they banned

976
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: all whole content, which is crazy. It's like this was

977
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: this is what built the art form. Is there in

978
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: their eyes with holes? Like how are you taking that

979
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: out of there? Wow? What a beautiful imagery, dotting their

980
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: eyes with really power, imagining a special fond where all

981
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: the eyes are listen. I didn't go to school for

982
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: poetry for nothing, you know, Yeah, I mean it finally

983
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: came out. Yeah. I was waiting, I was really waiting,

984
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: and we got it. Oh and you know what else

985
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: is straight? Sorry? Just a final thought all any kind

986
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: of like poetry that has rules, like a haiku that

987
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: is straight, I mean needing like iambic pentameters like grow up? Yeah,

988
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: like shut up, decide how many syllables I do, and

989
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna sound good. Okay, it's gonna sound good, doesn't

990
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: your rules, It's still gonna work. Let's do our final

991
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: seg All right, let's do it, George, we introduce I

992
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: would be absolutely elated to Linkston. Our final segment is

993
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: our homage to the classic straight art form of a

994
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: radio shout out. So we're going to give shoutouts. Imagine

995
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: you're on Z one hundred Z Morning Zoo. Imagine you

996
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: are in mtvs TRL and approximately the year. Um So,

997
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,479
Speaker 1: just you know something that you want to shout out,

998
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: something that's been bringing you joy. You know what. We

999
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: like to end on a positive note. Here at Stradio Lub,

1000
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: here in the Stradio Lab household, Sam, do you have one? Um?

1001
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: I I can do one, kind of like on a whim. Okay,

1002
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: you do yours first? All right, what's up freaks and

1003
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: losers out there? I want to give a quick shout

1004
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: out to ham and cheese croissants. I feel like there

1005
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: is this very harmful stereotype of croissans should be sweet.

1006
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: You we all know chocolate croissants, we all know a croissans,

1007
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: and we all know playing croissans. But let me tell

1008
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: you something. Put a little ham and cheese in there.

1009
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: You got yourself lunch, You got yourself a meal. Suddenly

1010
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: it's not just the pastry. It is a whole damn snack.

1011
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: And so next time you go get your coffee, be

1012
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: brave enough to get one of those ham and cheese crossons.

1013
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: You know there's gonna be eight left, whereas all the

1014
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: other ones are gonna be almost done, and they are

1015
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: waiting for you. Baby, As Taylor Swift said, welcome to

1016
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: New York. It's been waiting for you. Okay, I have one. Um,

1017
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: all right, okay, what's up everyone around the globe. I

1018
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: want to give a huge shout out to jumping on

1019
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: a trend. I know that you're seeing the trends, and

1020
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: I know that you're thinking, well, it's already happening. I

1021
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: missed it. I'm too late. No, you're not too late. Now,

1022
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: more than ever, you can jump on any trend that

1023
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: you want to. I saw everyone wearing those like work

1024
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: pants that have the weird like front part on the

1025
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: knee thing, like the knee guard thing, um, and I

1026
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: was like, damn, ever, it's already happened that these damn

1027
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: pants are in made? Well, I missed it. Then I

1028
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: saw I just decided, Hey, you know what, let's hop

1029
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: on board. I got some of these pants and I'm

1030
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: loving them. I'm getting compliments left and right, and people

1031
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: think I've been on the trend since the beginning. I

1032
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: haven't been, but no one cares and everyone is really

1033
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: respectful and I'm having fun and that's all that matters.

1034
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: So if you see a trend and you think you're

1035
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: too late, you're not too late. Stay in line. Get

1036
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: that true? Wait, Sam, that is so you're so right.

1037
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: If this is how I felt when I finally ordered

1038
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: an espresso martini, probably a year late. It was delicious,

1039
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: It's amazing. You have to jump on the trends. I

1040
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: own baggy jeans now because because kids did, and that

1041
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: wasn't my plan. I was like, I'm gonna be wearing

1042
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: skinny jeans probably for the rest of my life. But nope,

1043
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: they said change it. So now that's you know when

1044
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: that happened, the whiplash I got when suddenly the skinny

1045
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: jeans were illegal again, I was in shock. We did

1046
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: that for like a full decade. Yeah, now we we

1047
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: had a long run with skinny jeans. Yeah, and as

1048
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: a society, I still don't feel feel like we've like

1049
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: properly mourned the loss of them, like we a lot

1050
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: of people put their identities in that and now they're

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Speaker 1: just dead and even maligned. Well it's a it's a

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01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: difficult thing because it became so loud people hating them

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01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: very quickly, and I didn't even feel that the hatred sincerely,

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01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: but I had to be on board with being like nope,

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01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: everybody said, we don't do this no more. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, yeah, I mean it's so crazy.

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01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: Even now I see myself, like i'll see someone ranks

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01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: can jeans, I'll be like a loser, he hasn't gotten

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01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: the memo, And I'm like, well that was me, like

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01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: not that long ago. Like yeah, no, it makes perfect

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: sense how you become a Nazi. I get it. I mean,

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01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: just to be clear, Sam's chat at is for being

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01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: a follower. It's okay to be a follower. Well, I

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01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: think when you matter what the ideology is. When you're

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01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: twenty one, you're sort of like, of course I'm doing

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: things my way, but really you're just you know, following

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01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: all your friends. But then when you're thirty, the thing

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01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: that you did when you were twenty one is completely

1069
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: irrelevant and stupid, and you have to lose your sense

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01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: of self and and completely follow the trends. It's and

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: actually you can have fun. It's a sign of growing up,

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01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: and it's a sign of selflessness and understanding that you're

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01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: not the most important thing in the world no longer.

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01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: Caring about being original is the biggest sign of maturity

1075
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: and you should be given a Nobel piece price for it.

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01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: And I hate mondays. Yeah, And it also is like, hey,

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01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: I haven't given up. I'm still I'm still doing this,

1078
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, otherwise I'm if I wear the same clothes forever,

1079
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: I've given I've given everything up. I don't I don't

1080
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: deserve to live anymore. Wow, the poet, the poetry mf

1081
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: A once again jumped out, Well Flankston, whenever you are

1082
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: ready to do a shout out, if you have one

1083
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: in mind, Okay, I got one. This is listening to Hey,

1084
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: hey all you you freaks and weirdos out there, you

1085
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: know who the funk you are. I want to give

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01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: a special shout out to dried cherries. That's right, dried

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01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: cherries everybody is talking about crazy and dried franberries and

1088
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: all that, but but fuck them, they don't. They don't

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01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: do what dried cherries do. Dried cherries are. They taste

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01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: a little different than dry everything else, and they're they're

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: good and if you eat enough of them, it's basically

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01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: like eating an entire bag of real cherries, and that's

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: that's not good for you. So they're not that healthy

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01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: and you shouldn't probably have as many as I do

1095
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: a day, But goddamn do they taste good. And I

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01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: want them to have their representation they deserve. WHOA, that's

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01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: really powerful. I love that you use your platform to

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01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: speak up the underprivileged. The dried cherries. Yeah, they don't

1099
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: get enough credit. No, they actually get zero credit. I

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01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: almost didn't even know they existed. They've been e raised,

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01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: yeah know, they really have. And it doesn't make sense.

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01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: What would cranberries doing that. We don't eat cramper like.

1103
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 1: Please know it's disgusting. Something's up, some shadow government is real. Yeah,

1104
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: Big Cranberry really has got his foot down Joe Biden's neck.

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01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: I think cherry's really like, uh, cherries became through kind

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01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: of the artificial for ever of cherry, which is always

1107
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: like the most childlike one. It's like the cherry whatever.

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01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: Then it became almost like a childlike to enjoy cherries,

1109
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: and we need to reclaim them. Yeah, I want cherries back.

1110
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: I think they deserve another chance to prove themselves. There

1111
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: also is something inherently sexual about cherries, and I think

1112
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: that has been childish or sexual. It's a sort of

1113
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 1: Madonna whore. I think there's actually something to that. Yeah,

1114
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: even even cherries as are represented in our adulthood, it's

1115
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: like the fucking cherries at a barries. That's something else,

1116
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: but that's what we're told is a cherry, and it's

1117
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: like grow up, grow up. Cherries are different than that.

1118
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: Literally literally grow up each cherries and get on trends.

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: Two years late, yea untied that that uh that not

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: from your tongue. Oh my god, that was such a

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01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: big deal for like a good decade. There the ultimate

1122
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: sign of being a sex freak. Yeah, like you would

1123
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: that that would have any application directly penis. I don't

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01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: know what it was. I never understand this as a

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01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: very different piece. I really never understood what they were

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01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: trying to say with it. Like I was like is

1127
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: this a good kissing? Is this good oral sex? It

1128
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: was like, what is this? It was? I think it

1129
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: was oral sex. I think the implication was that your

1130
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: tongue was so worldly that uh that it truly Yeah,

1131
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: it would be yeah, just a monsoon around a penis.

1132
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: And it's like that's cool because, as everyone knows, the

1133
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: best way to give a bullet up is to just

1134
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: kind of like go wild around and round and round. Yeah.

1135
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: More is more, and more is more, more is more

1136
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: and more is more. Wow, well, Engston, this has been

1137
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: an absolute delight, so much fun. Thanks so much for

1138
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: doing it. What a damn pleasure. Yeah, and you know what, Langston,

1139
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: we never promote our guests were because we are better

1140
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: than that. But but because we are now colleagues at

1141
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, we would like you to um tell

1142
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: the listeners where they can where they can follow you

1143
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: and see you and hear you. Oh that's so nice.

1144
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: I would love for you to follow me at Langston

1145
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: Kerman on all platforms, Instagram, Twitter, all that ship. Nobody

1146
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: else wanted this name and uh and you can listen

1147
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: to my podcast. My mama told me it's it's a

1148
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: podcast where we talk about black conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories

1149
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: in the black community and ship I love it. Well

1150
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: we have we have done it. We've done a plug

1151
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: and life is good. Baby. Um okay, well then bye

1152
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: bye