1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 2: In the last days, we understand that Sean didd He 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Combs is to be under strict rules once released from prison. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, released from prison. He hasn't served his 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Measley thirty six months yet, and we're already talking about release. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Isn't that putting the cart before the horse hold on 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: Nelly strict rules? 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: My rear end. 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I'm want to 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Why are we already 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: talking about rules for release? Combs hasn't done a fraction 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: of his mega thirty six months behind bars, after all 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: the things the judge heard that he did to women, 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: and he's doing thirty six months. I'm still reeling over that. 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: But now his quote rules quote as if he ever 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: lived according to rules they're called quote stringent restrictions, Well 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: that's total bs. For instance, he will have to report 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: to his probation officer quote as instructed. When when he's 19 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: got to go to the probation department, that's nothing. He'll 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: probably have a driver drop him off in front, go 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: in charm the probation officer and then leave. Maybe he'll 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: slip him a couple hundred dollars. Remember how he bribed 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: the hotel employees to quash the video of him beating 24 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: Cassie Venturo senseless Anyway, here's the second quote, stringent rule. 25 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: His probation officer will be allowed to drop in any time. Okay, 26 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: whatever you do, don't have a drink when you're their 27 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: probation officer, or you may end up butt naked, getting 28 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: videoed having sex and wake up with your rear end 29 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: herding like many of the victims claim happened to them. Okay, 30 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: you know what. This is what we know happened. After 31 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: a split verdict where Shawn Combs is acquitted of rico, 32 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: two other accounts come into play. 33 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: Shawn Comb's convicted on two felony counts. 34 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: There was a massive argument via paper to keep Shawn 35 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: Combs behind bars, the defense fighting tooth and nail to 36 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: let him out on appeal bond, which means you get 37 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 2: out while your conviction is being appealed. Joining me right now, 38 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: Tisa Tales. You can find her on YouTube at Tisa Tales. 39 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: Tisa start at the beginning, Start with the verdict, the split. 40 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: pins and needles. 42 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. 43 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 3: Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on 44 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone 45 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: they walked in and when they said please read, and 46 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: they said, what do you find ye on count one? 47 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in 48 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 3: the courtroom. The public audibly gassed. Nobody was expecting that. 49 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: There were tears of joy from Ditty's side. Count two, 50 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: what say ye not guilty? 51 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: Again? 52 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any 53 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: even Ditty's most ardent supporters, did not expect him to 54 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie. 55 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: Count three when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute, 56 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: When they said guilty for the man a, that is 57 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: when Didy's team actually cheered, yeah, that's all right, okay, okay, 58 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: come on, almost like you were watching a pro football game. 59 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: When the other ones came in after that, there were 60 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: jaws on the ground. 61 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 4: It was unbelievable. People were looking at the jury, searching. 62 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: And to how they can get a verdict in this 63 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: day and age. 64 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 4: They heard Cassie's mother the twenty thousand. 65 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 3: They heard Capricorn Clark, they heard about the savage beatings, 66 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: and it was unbelievable that the only thing they said 67 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 3: was prostitution. 68 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 4: And that is because Daniel. 69 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing 70 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: that it was because that he got paid to have 71 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: sex for money. It was a travesty. It was an 72 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: all out circus. Everybody, including myself, are running to safety. 73 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: I got a question for your teas of tails, and 74 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: everyone's going to want to know this. You're in a 75 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: car right now. You had to leave the courthouse. 76 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters 77 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: were out of control. The first time I ran in 78 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: did my live. Of course, I had two armed security guys. 79 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: Everyone told me the people in the courthouse is like, 80 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: make sure you have security. 81 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 4: There's a lot of weird stuff going on. 82 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: It wasn't just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced. 83 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: Diddy supporter is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they 84 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: were going to hurt me. It was a serious situation. 85 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: It got so bad and there was so much chalos 86 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock 87 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: the courtroom down and force the Diddy supporters across the street. 88 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new 89 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: media have never seen in their lives the level. 90 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: And again the jurors, I hope to. 91 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: God they know how to sleep at night, because again 92 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: I'm sure they did their duty. But when all that 93 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: chast was happening, as I was being threatened and ushered 94 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: out by armed security people, I thought, this is what 95 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: the jury did. 96 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: They sent a signal that it is okay to. 97 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: Use violence, It's okay to drug people up, it's okay 98 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: to live a life of debauchery, It's okay to do 99 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: whatever you want. Because guess what if you work hard enough, 100 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: and you have enough money and. 101 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: Enough delusional fans, and. 102 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: You have engrained yourself in culture enough that you can 103 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: do whatever you want, and twelve of your peers will 104 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 3: look the other way. 105 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: Again, this jury was shocking. 106 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: Taste of teals. 107 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: When you say that Shawncom's supporters threatened you, what were 108 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: they saying? 109 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: They were saying, you B, you f and B. We're 110 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 4: going to kill you, you f and B. You've worked apparently. 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: I work for the fence. You're a plant. You make 112 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: this all up because of you. Again, they're not too 113 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: smart because of you. That's how this case got started. 114 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: We're gonna treat you worse than we treated Cassie. Cassie, 115 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: what we do to you, it's gonna be nothing that 116 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: they had on Cassie. 117 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 4: They were screaming, they were yelling. 118 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: Some people were saying, apologize the Diddy, apologize the Ditty. 119 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: Of course, thank goodness. 120 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: best arm guards out there. 122 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: So the one thing is they and also they started foaming. 123 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: Like wild dogs because they realized that I was not 124 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: an unprotected woman, and they realized they could not just 125 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: do what they felt like. And they started foaming like 126 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: wild dogs, screaming, their voices cracking in anger that they 127 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: ricially wanted to rip me apart. 128 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: This is why their hero had been exonerated. 129 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: Even in the best of times, these people that support him, 130 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: there's something wrong with it. And I gotta tell you, Nancy, 131 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: it wasn't just me. 132 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: It was not just me. 133 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp 134 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: from the beginning. 135 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: That's who suffered. 136 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel that I want to 137 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: thank Tisa tales for what she's doing tonight. 138 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: You know, Rob Sheeter is joining me. Rob, I really 139 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: don't know where to start. This is a blow. 140 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: This is a huge blow to crime victims all over 141 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now, 142 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, He's going to jail. 143 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: I was actually worried that somehow the judge would contriveting 144 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: the law. And the law is under the Bill Reform 145 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: Act that for these two charges on which he was convicted, 146 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: he has to go to jail. 147 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: There is no appeal bond period. 148 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow 149 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: find a way to let him walk. And all this time, Shooter, 150 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: we've been hearing. I've got all these letters here. Here's 151 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: one from Deontay Nash in fear, in fear talking about Combs, 152 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: this long, well documented history of violent retaliatory behavior. 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: They're afraid. 154 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: Rob'shoter, guys, Shooter knows comes better than any of us. 155 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: His longtime publicists know more. But now you can find 156 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: him at his substack robshooter dot substack dot com and 157 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: noney but nice podcast. 158 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: Shooter. 159 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, it was like a kick 160 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: in the stomach when that split verdict came down. 161 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy, 162 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 5: I just want to send my best to Tisha. What 163 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 5: happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific. It is wrong, 164 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 5: and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened. When 165 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 5: we heard the judgment. 166 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 6: I think we were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken, 167 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 6: we all felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However, 168 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 6: as the day has gone on, we do have to 169 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 6: remember Nanty that he has been found guilty of two 170 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 6: very serious charges. If any other celebrity had been charged 171 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 6: with those two charges, those alone and being found guilty, 172 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 6: we would be done with them. So the celebration from 173 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 6: Team Diddy, the disappointment from people who've been watching this 174 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 6: as closely as we have, I think we can take 175 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 6: a step back both sides and realize that this is 176 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 6: not a good day for d Day. He is now 177 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 6: a federal criminal, is in jail tonight, He's going to 178 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 6: remain there, and so at least take some solace in that. 179 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims, 180 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: rape victims from all walks of life that are upset. 181 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad. 182 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: They can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected 183 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: to a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and I think, 184 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: like what Tisa tells, has been subjected to already. But 185 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: I give the credit to the prosecutors for going in there. 186 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: And I truly believe this was a David and Goliath 187 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: and they went in against one of the highest profile 188 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think 189 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: that they know and they love him, and for some reason, 190 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex 191 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: attack victims said. 192 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: And one had the video? What had the video? I 193 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: just I don't get it. 194 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: Rob Shooter, give me some insight and to how Sean 195 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: Comes got a split vert. But yes, you're right, he 196 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies. 197 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: That's a victory that Seawan Comes is going to jail. 198 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a victory. 199 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 5: We have to hadn't gone for that, Nancaid, because in 200 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 5: this moment, in this hour, there's not a lot of hope. 201 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 6: Everything seems so bad. 202 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 5: We have let down, not just the people in this case, 203 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 5: but victings around the world. Didd now will be empowered. 204 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 5: This is not the end of the story, Nancy. When 205 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 5: he gets out of jail, if he gets out of jail, 206 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 5: his behavior will not change because he thinks he has 207 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 5: gotten away with it. 208 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 6: Again. If you enable. 209 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 5: Someone, Nancy, they do not change. So mark my words, Nancy, 210 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 5: this is not the end of the Diddy story. 211 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 6: It's the end of a very, very sad chapter. And 212 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 6: I think we've let a lot of people down. 213 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 5: And as far as being concerned about safety, I just 214 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: broke reporting that Cassie has now increased her security. Cassie 215 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 5: in New York, her home now has security increased. 216 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 6: And I think a lot of other people, courageous people. 217 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 5: Who came forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy came 218 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 5: forward and testified they're very vulnerable and they are very, 219 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 5: very scared right now. 220 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: Linn Shaw joining me, founder and director Linn's Warriors, dedicated 221 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: to ending sex trafficking and sex abuse on girls and women. 222 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 2: When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless. 223 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. But it's happened. 224 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go 225 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: home and hide under the bed. Should they had just 226 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: never even brought the case. They did it because they 227 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: believed it, and I still do believe it. Lynn, I 228 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: believe Cassie vent Tira was coerced and beaten into having 229 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: sex with male sex workers. 230 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: That sex trafficking. I believe her. 231 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 7: I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking. 232 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 7: This is a sober reflection on everything I've been talking 233 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 7: about for about eight weeks now with this trial that 234 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 7: the public and I'm going to say the jurors, okay, 235 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 7: do not understand predation, power, what sex trafficking is. And 236 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 7: a reminder again, this case was not just about one man. 237 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 7: This case was about all of the victory across the 238 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 7: country the world whose voices have been silenced because they 239 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 7: don't come forward because the justice system usually picks power, wealth, 240 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 7: status over believing their truths. 241 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: But I want to point. 242 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 7: Out there is hope. I've spent all day coaching people, 243 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 7: talking people, fielding text messages, and I want to say, 244 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 7: you know what, these victims that reach out to me, Nancy, 245 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 7: they're not even angry, you know what they keep saying. 246 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 7: Please Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims. Please remind everybody 247 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 7: we have a voice. Please remind everybody we are here. 248 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 7: And that goes back to I have to do. We 249 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 7: have to do in society a better job of educating 250 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 7: about sex, trafficking, about trauma, bonding, trauma, what predation really 251 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 7: looks like. This is the most frightening thing to empower 252 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 7: this Sean Colms and I just want to make the 253 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,239 Speaker 7: commitment that we will work very hard to continue reforming, 254 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 7: raising awareness and working with the justice system. 255 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: Straight back out to Tasa Tales, who has made it 256 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: to a safe location, taste the Tales. 257 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk. 258 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: About what happened when the split verdict was announced in 259 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: the courtroom, and then I want to move to the 260 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: appeal bond hearing. Let's start with the split verdict. Take 261 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: it from the very beginning. 262 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: When you heard count one not guilty, A bomb went 263 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: off in the courtroom. Not guilty. No one could believe it, 264 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: Song did. He's calm side even looked around as if 265 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: they hadn't heard correctly. No one thought that the jury 266 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: would actually. 267 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Go this far. 268 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: Everybody thought that the delay meant that he was actually guilty. 269 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: When the second count was read, again, jaws dropped open 270 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: did he leaned back in relief. 271 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 4: Raised his hands. The defence team was like, yes, I 272 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay, they 273 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: literally pulled a magic act. 274 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: His team, his side start sarted, celebrating, started saying yeah. 275 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: When we heard the third count, guilty for the prostitution, okay. 276 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: Everyone on his. 277 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: Side it was like, that's okay, that's okay. They were clapping, 278 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: almost like they were watching a football game. When they 279 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: first came out with the verdict. The prosecution was doing 280 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: what they were doing. They were looking straight. It's a job, 281 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: I would assume, to look like they always have it 282 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: under control. 283 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 4: By the time they got. 284 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 3: To the third count, Marine called me, looked over at 285 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: the jury and disbelief. 286 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 4: Literally again, she's always. 287 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: Very composed, but even for her to finally look over 288 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: at the jury on some are you kidding me? And 289 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: she just kept looking at the jury as they read 290 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: the counts. Again, I know the jury did their best, 291 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: but I cannot feel that justice was served. How can 292 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: you forget the vicious beatings. How can you forget the 293 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: twenty k the mom had to wire and order four 294 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: two freak off tastes not to be released. 295 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: Okay, that's what she thought when she wired it. 296 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: Can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung over balcony? 297 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: She might have got the date wrong by a few 298 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 4: days days, but the point is it happened. 299 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: How you can get forget Deontay Nash and the best 300 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 3: friend Carrie. 301 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: Who got a hangar to the head and. 302 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: Saw Cassie get impiled, driven into the corner of a 303 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: bed on purpose. 304 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 4: How can you forget all that and. 305 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: Come back and say, you know what, we don't see 306 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: anything criminal here again. We can argue about the prosecution, prostitution, 307 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: got ditty on the head, We can argue about the 308 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: prosecution what they could have did better, But the fact 309 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: that the jury chose to overlook all that. It brought 310 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: me back to what Rob Shooter said weeks ago when 311 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: I first started joining you, Nacy, that people get starstrucked 312 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: and they want some of that magic. And it makes 313 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 3: me wonder were they starstruck? Were they feeling sorry and 314 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: trying to protect a legacy for someone that hit their 315 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: depravity and their evil ways behind it. 316 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 4: It makes you want dirty. 317 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 318 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: Sean didd He comes to be under quote stringent restrictions 319 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: when he finishes his thirty six months behind bars that 320 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 2: tasted like a dirt sandwich. Why just thirty six months 321 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 2: is fifty months minus time served, which is fourteen months, 322 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 2: which equals thirty six months. For instance, one of the 323 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: stringent rules is he must submit to a search of 324 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: himself and his property. 325 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: Okay for a guy that's stripped. 326 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: Down repeatedly wearing nothing but a burka in the sex videos, 327 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: I doubt he's gonna mind that at all. Joining Men, 328 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: All Star panel back to Tisa tells Joining Us she 329 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: had to be escorted by armed guards out of the 330 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: courthouse and leave the scene after she was mobbed by 331 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: ditty fans. Explain to me what was happening outside the courthouse. 332 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: I understand that once the split verdict was announced, the 333 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: Diddy followers, the Diddy worshippers, went cray outside the courthouse, 334 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: actually dousing each other with baby oil and chanting. 335 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: They farmed the circle. It looked like a mush pit 336 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 3: of depravity. They were spraying baby oil on each other, 337 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: jumping around feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of 338 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: Calvin Klein breasts and agra started jumping up and down, wiggling. 339 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: Why they sat. 340 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: There spraying baby on her, and the crowd was channing 341 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: yay yay, yay go. 342 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: And hyping them up. It was a monstrous bowl of 343 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 4: the party depravity. 344 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 3: When I say, I was sickened, When I say, I 345 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 3: sh shook my head. And when I said, these are 346 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: the peers, these are the jury of the peers. And 347 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: it makes me wonder as a jury goes home and 348 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 3: they look at the television sets and they see what 349 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 3: their decision costs and what was on the line, it 350 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: makes me wonder. 351 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 4: How can they sleep at night? It was absolute pandemonial. 352 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 8: In between the jumping up and down with the baby 353 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 8: oil woman willingly baby oil being squirted on them, and 354 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 8: everybody laughing and having a time like Christmas had just 355 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 8: come with Santa and the troll perverted els. 356 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 4: What happened after that was even more amazing because. 357 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 3: While that was going on, there were little fires everywhere 358 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 3: of these bands of I don't know if they're in cels, 359 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: if they're idiots, what was going on looking for anybody 360 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: they had ever saw make anti Ditty contest, and by 361 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: anti Diddy, according to thelm it is pro justice. They 362 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: were going out their ways to make sure that everybody paid. 363 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 4: And again I said, this is what that jury cost says. 364 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 4: Let us know. It's sent a message. 365 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 3: It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women, 366 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever 367 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: you want. And that jury, that jury, when they gave 368 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: the verdict, signals that. Again, I'm still coming to terms 369 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 3: with how the jury got to this. Thank God, this 370 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: man was denied bail. 371 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: Thank God. 372 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 2: Straight out to send me some re joining US Crime Stories, 373 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: investigative reporter on the case from the very beginning, break 374 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: down the counts for me, said. 375 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 9: Nancy, how one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was 376 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 9: found not guilty on count one. Count two, three, four, 377 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 9: and five are those sex trafficking and transportation to engage 378 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 9: in prostitution charges. So there was one count each for 379 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 9: Cassie and Jane on both of those charges. So the 380 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 9: jury found that Combs was liable for both transportation to 381 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 9: engage in prostitution charges and not guilty on sex trafficking 382 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 9: for either Jane or Cassie. 383 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: Straight out to Philip Debate, joining US veteran trial lawyer, 384 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: joining US out of the La jurisdiction, So debate. This 385 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two 386 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates 387 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: to Cassie Ventira, you know the woman that was beaten 388 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: in that video and dragged back to a freak off 389 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: her the one that had to get plastic surgery on 390 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: her face after did he beat her up? 391 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: That one that's a not guilty. 392 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: Count three transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates 393 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: to Cassie. Guilty that carries a maximum of ten years. 394 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: And that comes, i believe from the sex worker who 395 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: came in Philip and described Sean Combs wearing a burka 396 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: from the chin up and naked from the chin down 397 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: and had him have sex with Cassie on video and 398 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 2: directed them that was across state lines. So guilty on 399 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: that count for sex trafficking by force, fraud, coercion as 400 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: it relates to Jane victim. 401 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: Two not guilty. 402 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: Count five transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates 403 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: to Jane. 404 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: Guilty. 405 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: So we got two guilties, three not guilties, split verdict. 406 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: So there was great jubilation at first. When did he 407 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: followers heard. 408 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: Split They heard the words not guilty on count one 409 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: and went crazy. What do you think is going to 410 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: happen now, Philip? 411 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 6: He will be getting in prison time, There's no question. 412 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: Right, another thing debate. Let's get real. 413 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: It's really rare in federal and state court that once 414 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 2: you're convicted and a jury convicts. 415 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: You on a violent offence, that you. 416 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: Get an appeal bond, which means, okay, Joe, I know 417 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: he just got convicted, but could you please let him 418 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: walk free now until we take this all the way 419 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: up up to the appellate court and get a decision 420 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 2: that rarely works. 421 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: Agree, disagree? 422 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 6: Oh, I agree one hundred percent. No higher court is 423 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 6: going to find that this judge abused his discretion by 424 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 6: not letting him out or by not setting a bond. 425 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: You know. Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator at Crispin 426 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: Special Investigations, former homicide and former vice detective Crispin. Here's 427 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 2: the deal. If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a 428 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: bond and appeal bond. Now remember once he was arrested, Crispin, 429 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: he was kept behind bars. He did not have a 430 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: bond right for a reason. He's got money, and he 431 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: squats right over by Teeterborough, the private airport near New York. 432 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: You know, if the judge had given Shawn Combs an appeal. 433 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 2: Bond, he goes straight to Teeborough and take off, probably 434 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: under an assumed name. 435 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: When you fly a private plane, you can give a 436 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: fake ID. 437 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: Just it's not the same as going through TSA at 438 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 2: Hartsville International or LaGuardia or jfk No, where they will 439 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: frisk you and look in all your bags. 440 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: It's not like that. At a private plane. 441 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 2: You kind of just walk on onto your private plane 442 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: that he has, have a glass of champagne and. 443 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: Go bye bye us, Hello Paris. That's what happens, Crispin. 444 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 10: Yeah. Actually, earlier, just before we came on Nancy, I 445 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 10: was trying to find out where his G five to 446 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 10: fifty was, because we know that it was out in 447 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 10: La a couple of days ago. I was trying to 448 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 10: see if they had already got those guys up and 449 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 10: running and that plane was coming eastbound, thinking he was 450 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 10: going to probably get out and dip out back out 451 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 10: to La or back down here to Miami to where 452 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 10: his neighbors aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back, but 453 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 10: doesn't look like anytime soon he's going to be gracing 454 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 10: his presence with these guys. So I was trying to 455 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 10: find out where that jet was that I haven't found 456 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 10: out yet. But the verdict is just it's harp or king. 457 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 10: It's a black eye to the victims. It's terrible, horrible 458 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 10: for any of these victims that want to come forward, 459 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 10: or any witness that wants to put their ass on 460 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 10: the line, raise your right hand and testify against somebody. 461 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 10: When a jury's going to find that guy not guilty, 462 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 10: that's really bad for these witnesses and victims. They know 463 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 10: what's coming. 464 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 9: Now. 465 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 10: Look what's happened to our reporter As she was leaving 466 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 10: the courthouse, they were attacking her. This guy was found 467 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 10: guilty of federal parts. 468 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: And I'd like to point out Rob Sheater what they 469 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: were saying to Tisa Hills. 470 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 4: Rob. 471 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: They were saying, we're gonna do worse to you than 472 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: we did to Cassie Sheter. I mean, Diddy has to 473 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: be condoning this. He has been orchestrating the crowd. He's 474 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: been orchestrating everything. 475 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the 476 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 5: right thing at this moment is unrealistic. 477 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 6: This is who he is. The whole world to see 478 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 6: who he is. 479 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 5: And unfortunately there's a large amount of people out there 480 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 5: who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can pretend 481 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 5: anymore that we don't know who did he is. We 482 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 5: know we've seen him on tape. That tape will exist forever. 483 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 5: We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts, we've heard 484 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 5: the details, we've seen them, and yet some people still 485 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 5: support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy. 486 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: And to think that Diddy is going to stop it, 487 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 5: that ain't going to happen. 488 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 6: He's going to encourage it. 489 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 5: He wants people out there, he wants the violence, he 490 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 5: wants people screaming. This to him is the party that 491 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 5: he always wanted to throw shape. 492 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed 493 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case, 494 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: I've told you this before off air. I've seen a 495 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen 496 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: it all. But there's always a moment in a trial 497 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: that just twists the knife very disturbing. And in this trial, 498 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: there were two moments like that for me. 499 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: And one was. 500 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: In the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down where she had 501 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 2: already been beaten and she was backing up and she 502 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 2: tried to hold up She's right handed was holding holding 503 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: her mouth I think, with one hand, the right hand 504 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: and holding up her left hand against Sean Comb's like 505 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: she could fight him off, okay. And the the other 506 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: moment was when she was getting beaten and she was 507 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: down on the floor and Combs had a. 508 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: Glass, a liquor glass held. 509 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: Up ready to throw down at her face, and she said, 510 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: can't you see what's happening? 511 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: And nobody did anything. 512 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: It's just like in the courtroom, the jury didn't do 513 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: any They didn't. 514 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 6: They didn't, Nancy. It's heartbreaking. People I know who. 515 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 5: Have worked with him, who knew him, many of us 516 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 5: are on a text exchange and they're heartbroken, and a 517 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 5: lot of people are really worried to I don't want 518 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 5: to keep hopping on about this, Nancy, but this is 519 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 5: a very dangerous man. This is a man who allegedly 520 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: try to fire bomb the car of somebody that was 521 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 5: dating his. 522 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 6: Girlfriend, his ex girlfriend this is a. 523 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 5: Dangerous, dangerous man, and what that jury has just done 524 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 5: has said it doesn't matter. 525 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 6: It's okay. 526 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 5: You keep being puffy, you keep being you, and we 527 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: will support you. But let me just say, Nancy, we 528 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 5: can't just blame the jury here. We've got to blame 529 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 5: the person that did it. And that's did he did. 530 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 5: He is responsible for all this. Everything else is a 531 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 5: red herring. He's the problem and he will continue now 532 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 5: to be a problem. 533 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: Doctor Cheryl Eric, who is a clinical and forensics psychologist, 534 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: explain the effect this is going to have on not 535 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: only these victims that we heard on the stand, but 536 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: other victims everywhere. 537 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 11: Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power 538 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 11: control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have 539 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 11: a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats, 540 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 11: threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults that were maintaining the power 541 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 11: and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had 542 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 11: enough evidence to be able to find that what was 543 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 11: happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion. 544 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 11: Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you 545 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 11: an offer, that you cannot refuse that is not consent. 546 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 11: And what I think people are failing to understand about 547 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 11: the way that the even the threat of violence shapes 548 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 11: behavior is that when someone does not believe that they 549 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 11: can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning, 550 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 11: They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are 551 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 11: trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And 552 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 11: this man certainly has no shortage of people who were really, 553 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 11: really frightened of him and still are. 554 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 4: And I think that. 555 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 11: These really normal autonomic nervous system survival responses, fawning, appeasing, 556 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 11: the freeze response, These are things that need to be 557 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 11: understood better by juries, understood better by the public, and 558 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 11: even by survivors themselves. 559 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shooter. 560 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: Would you look one more time at these celebrations going 561 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: on outside the courthouse after the split verdict was announced. 562 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 12: Take a look, thoughts, Nanci. 563 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 5: I can tell you, as somebody who knows puff those 564 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 5: people standing outside that courts have never met him. They've 565 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 5: never been to his apartment, they've never been on his 566 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 5: private plane. They've never had a text or an email 567 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 5: or a phone call with him. I have he doesn't 568 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 5: care about any of those people, all those people who 569 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 5: have took their time, their energy to go and support 570 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 5: this guy. Let me talk to them directly. He does 571 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 5: not care about you. If he can treat his girlfriend 572 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 5: Cassie the way that we've seen him treat it on video, 573 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 5: this is not testimony, this is video. 574 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 6: If he can treat. 575 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 5: Someone who he's supposed to love like that, how do 576 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 5: you think he can treat you. He doesn't care about you. 577 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 5: You're wasting your energy on him, And honestly, my friends, stop, 578 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 5: he doesn't care. He's laughing at these people outside that 579 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 5: court has he's egging them on, but he doesn't care. 580 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: You know, Rob Sheeter, You speak with so much conviction 581 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: and so much feeling, and that tells me that you 582 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: know something something. 583 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: You haven't told me. Why do you believe this? 584 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: What did you observe to make you say what you 585 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: just said. 586 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 5: I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a 587 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 5: person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense 588 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 5: of pride, who has no sense of decency. He's a 589 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 5: really bad man, and through his career, through the media, 590 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 5: through his products, he has managed to come us all 591 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 5: to kid us all into believing he is somebody else. Now, 592 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 5: I hoped that day was coming to an end. In fact, 593 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 5: I could even tell you the day that I thought 594 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 5: it was ending. It was today. I'm absolutely punched to 595 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 5: my gut, to my stomach to know that Puffy once 596 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 5: again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix, but justice does 597 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 5: not feel as if it has been sod shooter. 598 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: Do you know that people aren't flooding the courthouse the 599 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 2: judges chambers with letters please don't let him out. 600 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: We're afraid. 601 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: From Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many others 602 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: in fear, just like what you're saying. And we heard 603 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 2: earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened to 604 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie, and now he's. 605 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: Going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace. Another stringent 606 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: rule set down by the judge comes. 607 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: We'll have to live in a home approved by the 608 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 2: probation officer. 609 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: Okay, what a mansion suffice? I bet it does. 610 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: Speaking of the mansion, a man is where many of 611 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 2: the so called free coughs occurred. But what went on 612 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 2: behind those mansioned walls? Was pure hell according to many 613 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: of the victims, after the split verdict, when everyone or 614 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: I sprang each other with baby oil outside the courthouse. 615 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: And baying and yelling and. 616 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 2: Celebrating, Comes goes back into the courtroom Sidney for the hearing. 617 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: Right the hearing on is there going to be an appeal? Bond? 618 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 9: Is? 619 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: Comes going to walk out of the courthouse a freeman today. 620 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: During that hearing, Comes briefly tries to raise his hand 621 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 2: to speak after the judge denies his request for release again. 622 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 2: The judge seemed to ignore the move and instead asks 623 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: the US Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond, and she says, quote, 624 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has 625 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 2: shown no remorse and no regret. And it makes me think, Sinney, 626 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: about that fake apology. I'm going to keep that up 627 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: and play it for you in just a moment, said 628 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 2: where he does all this apologizing after beating Cassie, But 629 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 2: according to what we learned in court and sworn testimony, 630 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: he continued the violence after the apology video. That's what 631 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 2: she said, no remorse and no regret at all. 632 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, that is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking. 633 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 9: Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane after Colmes knew 634 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 9: he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple 635 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 9: instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses, 636 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 9: trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell 637 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 9: investigators after this and mistigation began when Comes was well 638 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 9: aware it was underway. Judge to harmony and also referenced 639 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 9: Mark Agmophillo's own closing arguments. You full throw the feed 640 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 9: told the jury that there was violence, domestic violence in 641 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 9: all of Come's relationships. Y'all own that, and it may 642 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 9: have helped on some of these charges. It may have 643 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 9: helped with the guilty not guilty verdict, but it is 644 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 9: definitely coming back to bite him now. 645 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 2: Straight out to Lynn Shaw. This also happened in the proceedings. 646 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 2: This is after Comes tried to raise his hand to 647 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: address the judge directly during the arguments, And this is 648 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: after the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now 649 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 2: comes the appeal bond, where the judge is going to 650 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 2: decide will Comes walk free tonight? 651 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 12: Okay? 652 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: The judge looks over. 653 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: At the defense and he says as Sidney just reported. 654 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: Quote you full throatedly. I've never even heard anybody use 655 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: that phrase, but he did. 656 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: You full throatedly in your closing argument told the jury 657 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 2: there was violence and domestic violence is violence. You said 658 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 2: this was the case that did have violence. This is 659 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 2: the judge talking to Combs as to the basic question 660 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 2: of violence. 661 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: You conceded that in your closing argument. 662 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 2: Now throughout this comes is furiously passing notes back and 663 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 2: forth to Agnifilo, who is trying to stand there and 664 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 2: argue and read Ola. Shawn comes his notes. Wait for it, 665 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw. Agnifilo responds, I. 666 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: Just think we should trust him. He's not gonna flee. 667 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: He just deserves a chance. 668 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 7: Lynn, Please let us all get off this dirty diddy, 669 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 7: degenerate merry gourround that we're all on. How dare that lawyer? 670 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 7: How dare he? He's got a wife, he's got a daughter. 671 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 7: I believe he's got sisters, a mother, talk like this 672 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 7: violence is violence? 673 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: Trust him. 674 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 4: We have seen everything to the. 675 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 7: Contrary, including video evidence of Cassie being beaten. How much more. 676 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 2: Do we need? 677 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 7: This goes back to this is one of the worst 678 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 7: days here at the Warriors to have all of this 679 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 7: video to hear the way they're talking about victims, trust him, 680 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 7: trust him. There's no way anybody should trust him. I'm 681 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 7: here in New York City and Rob Shooter's correct. We've 682 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 7: got these dirty Diddy disciples running around. People should be 683 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 7: in fear of this guy. But that brings me to 684 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 7: how does he get away with all of this for decades? 685 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 7: What about the victims that I've been up for forty 686 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 7: eight hours now, counseling, helping, giving out phone numbers, resources, 687 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 7: Come stay with me if you don't want to be alone. 688 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 4: What a slap in. 689 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 7: The face today to all of these victims, survivors of 690 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 7: any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what, this 691 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 7: is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody I'm a broken record. 692 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 7: Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what forced for coersion. Nobody 693 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 7: understands coersion. And you know what, it is time we 694 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 7: change it up. But this is a travesty. What a 695 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 7: slap in everybody's face. 696 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: Sean Comes goes to jail, split verdict, not guilty on Rico, 697 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 2: not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking, guilty on 698 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 2: two counts of bringing people across state lines. To engage 699 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 2: in illegal activity, that being prostitution, as it relates to 700 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not her real name, 701 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 2: a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me PI but former 702 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 2: beat coop, former special investigator with the Federal Task Force 703 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,479 Speaker 2: for the US Department of Justice, and on and on, 704 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, have you ever been in a case where 705 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 2: the bad guy walks? 706 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 10: Oh, my god, Nancy, this brought back. This brought back 707 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 10: such a memory of a guy who was leaning over 708 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 10: the balcony holding two kilos of cocaine in a CBS bag, 709 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 10: getting ready to drop it on the floor because the 710 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 10: Feds were knocking on the front door, and I was 711 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 10: covering the back door, and he dropped it and I 712 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 10: got it, and I idt him, and we went to 713 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 10: the jury and the jury found him not guilty when me, 714 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 10: as the Federal DEA Drug agent, watched him drop that bag. 715 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 10: And you know why, Nancy, because juries are so unpredictable. 716 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 10: You know why, we didn't pull his DNA off the bag. 717 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 10: But I watched him. I watched him drop those kilos 718 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 10: of cocaine out of the ground. These juries have a 719 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 10: mind of their own. 720 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: I know how that must have felt shame. And the 721 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: thing is this is a violent. 722 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 2: Crime, Philip debay from what the judge was saying. When 723 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 2: Shawn Comes raise his hand trying to speak to the 724 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 2: judge while Agniffilo was arguing, the judge acting like he 725 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 2: didn't even see him. The judge did note the wide 726 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 2: divergence between what the state wants a sentencing and what 727 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 2: the defense wants is sentencing, But hearing what the judge said, 728 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 2: the judge can't just erase from his mind what he 729 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 2: saw on the Cassie beat down video. He cannot erase 730 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 2: from his mind what the victim said on the stand. 731 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 2: According to these stringent rules, Comes will be prohibited from 732 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 2: drug use. Well wait a minute, aren't we all prohibited 733 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 2: from illegal drug use? 734 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: How is that a stringent rule? 735 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 2: And speaking of drugs, many of the women in the 736 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 2: civil complaints claimed they were drugged before being stripped and 737 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 2: video taking part in free cough as they call them videos, 738 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,479 Speaker 2: I call it rape, okay, speaking of putting the cart 739 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 2: before the horse, Sean Comes. 740 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: Is still behind bars, isn't he? 741 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,360 Speaker 2: I mean, didn't he get a whopper thirty six months? 742 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 2: Thanks judge for that rape victims all over the world 743 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 2: now hiding under their beds. Thanks to you, Judge, we 744 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 2: wait as just as sudden faults. 745 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: Goodbye f