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Speaker 1: He looks like Ronda Rousey.

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Speaker 2: Oh do I like that? She's pretty?

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Speaker 1: She's very pretty. You're a very pretty woman.

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Speaker 3: I like that she's Yeah, Okay, I'll take it. We

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Speaker 1: That, moll take it. I wouldn't have said it if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't complimentary.

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Speaker 2: We have to put this in because my anxiety is like,

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Speaker 2: is that good? Is that bad? What does he mean?

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Speaker 2: What does he mean?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Off the Cup my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited for today's guest.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm a huge fan of his work, his stand up,

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Speaker 3: his sketch comedy, his films. You may know him from

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Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live or Jerry Maguire, Gary Unmarried or one

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Speaker 3: of his stand up specials. He's host of the More

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Speaker 3: Stories podcast. It's Jay Moore.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup. Yes, yes, yes, you've arrived.

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Speaker 1: I have arrived. I made the big time home on

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Speaker 1: the se Cup podcast.

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Speaker 3: Riverside style ridiculous, ridiculous, But I appreciate you coming.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be invited places these days. It's nice,

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Speaker 1: happy to be here. I just I'm obsessing over my hair.

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Speaker 1: I'm like Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Bernie, it looks good. It looks good. It looks good.

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Speaker 1: From Revenge of the Nerds.

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Speaker 2: You look great, you look great.

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Speaker 3: Well, we won't discuss what you said I looked like

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Speaker 1: You look like ro Rousey mm.

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Speaker 3: I unraveled a bit a bit. But I'm gonna just

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Speaker 3: take I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take the compliment.

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Speaker 2: Take it. She's a beautiful, strong, powerful woman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a champion.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, good, you look like a champion.

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Speaker 4: Better, Okay, you look like an a specialist. You look

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Speaker 4: like you punch other ladies in the face.

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Speaker 1: You look like you get out of scale in front

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Speaker 2: You look like you try to make weight every week,

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Speaker 2: don't we all and scene?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: You've done so much.

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Speaker 3: But before we get into everything, you you seem to

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Speaker 3: Imagine it's a very different muscle than stand up for acting.

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Speaker 3: And I like doing a podcast because coming from live TV,

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting question because I feel the exact opposite

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Speaker 1: It's like Trump, white teenagers on electric lights, Jewish Jewish

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Speaker 3: So did you know all that going in that you

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Speaker 3: weren't first her first choice.

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Speaker 5: No, to find that later, me and Iliana Douglas were

442
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Speaker 5: standing at Silver Cup Studios waiting to rehearse, and Jennifer

443
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Speaker 5: walked in and she made her way across the sound stage,

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Speaker 5: and I remember she had high heels and it was

445
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Speaker 5: an empty sound stage.

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Speaker 1: She was like click click click click click click. She

447
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Speaker 1: goes five guys a screen test. She says to Aliana Douglas,

448
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Speaker 1: the one guy I don't want, that's who gets the part.

449
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Speaker 1: Click click click click, And Iliana Douglas patted me on

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Speaker 1: the back and said, you're gonna have a great summer.

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Speaker 2: Holy shit in front of you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Was I mean? Did she mean it to be as

454
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Speaker 2: rude as you're making it sound.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying it as data, so you interpreted. God,

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Speaker 1: I know, she's an incredibly talented, beautiful, successful woman. She

457
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Speaker 1: probably knew exactly what she wanted. She probably had a

458
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Speaker 1: vision for that, and I just wasn't a part of

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Speaker 1: the vision. And that's what you call the head of

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Speaker 1: the parking committee guy being diplomatic.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, how did you continue on that set knowing.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk politics right now? Or what the hell's

463
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Speaker 1: going on here?

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Speaker 2: You don't talk politics? Here? We don't talk politics. Do

465
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Speaker 2: you want to talk politics?

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Speaker 1: Why is it a no spin zone?

467
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Speaker 2: Well?

468
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Speaker 1: You don't think I can whip up a situation room.

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Speaker 2: I just want to I just want to. You're laughing

470
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Speaker 2: at your jokes right now?

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know they're stupid, you know, hold on,

472
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Speaker 1: you'll know, and that I think they're really dumb when

473
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Speaker 1: I go like this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, perfect, I'm happy to talk. Do you want to

475
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Speaker 2: talk politics?

476
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Speaker 1: Why why legitimize those morons? Exactly?

477
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Speaker 3: We try not to here because it's depressing. And this

478
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Speaker 3: is like a break.

479
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Speaker 1: I say this. I do have a new joke about

480
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Speaker 1: when Trump won. The second time I put on the

481
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Speaker 1: news that I was watching and the news anchors were

482
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Speaker 1: like visibly shaken and they were saying, like it's a

483
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Speaker 1: and you know what channels I'm talking about. It was

484
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Speaker 1: like it's a dark day, you know. And I remember

485
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Speaker 1: just laying in my bed, thinking, you're supposed to report

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Speaker 1: the news to me. And I realized in that moment,

487
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Speaker 1: I am in an algorithm and I'm being fed the

488
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Speaker 1: same thing all the time. And then as I went

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Speaker 1: about my day, people were like visibly in la people

490
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Speaker 1: were like visibly distraught, like everything's going to end. Everything,

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Speaker 1: We're all on fire, We're all gonna die, like in

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Speaker 1: t minus eight minutes, right, And I realized my phone,

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Speaker 1: my algorithm on my phone, my algorithm on my television,

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Speaker 1: the people I would have any conversation with. I realized

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Speaker 1: I was in like a very narrow algorithm. But the

496
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Speaker 1: new was anchors not having any objectivity like kind of

497
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Speaker 1: shook me awake. And I'm not I'm a proud Independent.

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Speaker 1: And when people go like, I can't believe you won,

499
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Speaker 1: I was like, you can't. Have you been outside, right?

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Speaker 1: Have you seen take your parents to the beach and

501
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Speaker 1: walk around a homeless guy taking a dump on a

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Speaker 1: wall and walk past. I got to walk my son

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Speaker 1: past win of bagos that have been there for eight

504
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Speaker 1: years when I walk up to school. So I didn't

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Speaker 1: vote for him, but I understand why you won.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you completely summed up, you know, the

507
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Speaker 3: sort of existential crisis that's happening both in the Democratic

508
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Speaker 3: Party but also in the media over you know, how

509
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Speaker 3: did we miss this? And I covered the last election

510
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Speaker 3: in the swing States talking to voters, so I was

511
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Speaker 3: very unsurprised at what happened because I listened to voters

512
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Speaker 3: tell me all day, crime, immigration, and the economy.

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Speaker 2: We don't we don't like our lives right now. That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Folks, you can yell at me about democracy.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get canceled, so I'll talk around it.

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Speaker 1: But there's a various Pacific talking point that you didn't

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Speaker 1: mention that it's all the Democrats ever talk about.

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Speaker 3: No, I know you can. I mean there's lots of them.

519
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Speaker 3: But listen, abortion, democracy, DEI, diversity. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of things that Democrats focused on that were probably

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Speaker 3: good for their base, but they really ignored the rest

522
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Speaker 3: of the country. And they're really they're reconciling with that

523
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Speaker 3: now or they're not. We'll see, we'll see how what

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Speaker 3: they learn about themselves.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing to look at a two party system

526
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Speaker 1: and the fact just being like, oh my god, both

527
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Speaker 1: these parties are the worst people. I would never hang

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Speaker 1: out with any of these people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people feel that way.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people are in the middle, in the majority,

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Speaker 3: and they feel, well, there's a lot of talk right

532
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Speaker 3: now around a third party.

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Speaker 1: Was that his name and facing the crowd, Dusty Rose?

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Speaker 1: Was there a movie? Du'st the wrong Let's just get

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Speaker 1: like an old country singer drunk.

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Speaker 2: Come, that's the solution, Jack to your show.

537
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: But let's get back to the show. But at this point,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I hope the way people

539
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: get so upset with every higher, every move, I'm just

540
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: enjoying the show, like George carl and I sit back

541
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Speaker 1: and I enjoy the show. And at the point, I

542
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: hope Trump starts nominating fictional characters. We all love a

543
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: Wookie Chewbacca. He knows the interior. He made the shadow

544
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Speaker 1: run in six concepts exactly. Let's bring him out new

545
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Speaker 1: Head of Doors. He's a Wookie. Nobody Cutch costs like

546
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Speaker 1: a Wookie. They're very cheap in the I've never known

547
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Speaker 1: anybody to do or according with their hands when they talk.

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Speaker 2: Ever, it's amazic. It's amazic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't mind that diversion, that's fine, but it

550
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: comes back very naturally to mental health.

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Speaker 2: I struggle with mental health.

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Speaker 3: I struggled with anxiety and had a nervous breakdown a

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Speaker 3: few years ago, and a lot of that is childhood stuff,

554
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Speaker 3: but it's also what I do for a living, and

555
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: covering bad news constantly and imagining that bad news is

556
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Speaker 3: around every corner.

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Speaker 1: That's why I stopped watching MSNBC at night, because right

558
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Speaker 1: before bed they told me the world was ending every night.

559
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it feels on cable news.

560
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing well?

561
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Speaker 2: And it's the same on the right.

562
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Speaker 1: And by the way, you're talking breakdown equal breakthrough, right, Well.

563
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, And that's what I want to ask

564
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Speaker 3: you because I had this breakdown and it was the

565
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Speaker 3: first time I really got mental health help as an

566
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Speaker 3: adult because I had to there was no other option,

567
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Speaker 3: and I began working on it therapy, medication, life changes,

568
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Speaker 3: blah blah blah.

569
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Speaker 2: But wondering.

570
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Speaker 3: There are people who look back at their moment of

571
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Speaker 3: getting sober or getting mental health help and they think, oh,

572
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Speaker 3: I wish I never had to go through all of

573
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Speaker 3: that awfulness to get to where I am now on

574
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Speaker 3: the other side. And then there are other people who

575
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Speaker 3: think I could only get here by going through all

576
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Speaker 3: the things I went through. Where are you in your

577
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Speaker 3: journey of sobriety and mental health?

578
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Speaker 1: A gem cannot be polished without friction. You couldn't be

579
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Speaker 1: this strong woman without that. And like every person I

580
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Speaker 1: love that I look up to, like Richard Rohor, Reverend

581
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Speaker 1: TD Jake's personal like a sponsor. It's all there's two

582
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Speaker 1: halves of life and when you try to work the

583
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Speaker 1: first half. In the second half, that's where there's chaos

584
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Speaker 1: in the middle. So like being a stand up comedian

585
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Speaker 1: and having that great white single mindedness of purpose, and

586
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Speaker 1: it's all I think about. That served me super well

587
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Speaker 1: for a very long time, Like, hey man, sorry, if

588
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Speaker 1: you're upset, I got to go on stage, don't know.

589
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: But then you get older and you have children and

590
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Speaker 1: you have a partner and it completely doesn't serve you,

591
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Speaker 1: and there's chaos and you either change exactly right and

592
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Speaker 1: go out the other end or you live in chaos

593
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Speaker 1: and misery. So with me, with recovery, that was I mean,

594
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Speaker 1: that was the greatest thing. Being a drug addict is

595
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Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened to me. And I

596
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Speaker 1: have children like over my like nothing has transformed me

597
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Speaker 1: more than going through what I went through, working twelve

598
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Speaker 1: steps in a program pen to paper, seeing the exact

599
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Speaker 1: nature of my wrongs and seeing that I am the

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Speaker 1: cause of all my issues. Today, I am the reason

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Speaker 1: for all of my problems because that means I always

602
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Speaker 1: have a solution. And you talk about like breakdowns. This week,

603
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: see I canceled all the rest of my dates for

604
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Speaker 1: the rest of the year stand up wise, because I

605
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Speaker 1: started again out of nowhere, having panic attacks on planes

606
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Speaker 1: on the way to my shows. So this was like

607
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: a maybe, like a Monday morning conversation with my agent,

608
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Speaker 1: and it boils down to I don't love it anymore

609
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: and I'm stuck on this hamster wheel, like I feel

610
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Speaker 1: like I just have to do it, and I can't

611
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Speaker 1: get off of it because my agent's going to think

612
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm high again because he's my agent my whole life.

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Speaker 1: And when I did, I mean writing, praying, meditating, writing, praying, meditating,

614
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: outside help, therapist, breath work, meditation, all of it, and

615
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: it just kept coming down to I just don't want

616
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Speaker 1: to do it, and I haven't wanted to do it

617
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. I like to stand up.

618
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Speaker 1: I don't like flying to bars that are half full

619
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Speaker 1: because it's a TikTok and a YouTuber world now and

620
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: I've become like dinosaur, so my egos getting banged up

621
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Speaker 1: everywhere I go. And when I called my agent and

622
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: told him I can't do it. I need to take

623
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Speaker 1: these dates off the books, and he told me that's

624
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: totally okay, take care of yourself, I exploded and I

625
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Speaker 1: started crying.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And in real time I was like, holy, holy shit,

627
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Speaker 6: Like if this relief I'm expressing, I was carrying that

628
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 6: on top of that, and there was a thing on

629
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Speaker 6: top of the thing, on top of the thing. And

630
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Speaker 6: then I had some guilt at thinks that he's going

631
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Speaker 6: to think I'm high again, and then the relief of

632
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Speaker 6: not having to do it anymore.

633
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: And then two nights later, I go on stage at

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Speaker 1: the improv with all new jokes and have like the

635
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Speaker 1: greatest time. I'm invigorated, I feel inspired, like I've never

636
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: felt that good on stage in years. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're there's like breakdowns, and then after

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00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: the big breakdown, I think you have breakthroughs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I've never thought about it in those terms.

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00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Yea, we're gonn take commercial break. We'll be right back

641
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: with what the fuck is he talking about?

642
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: No, I got it very very clearly, because you describe

643
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's very relevant, very relatable to me and

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00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of people, but I've never heard

645
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: it described. There's two halves of life and when these halves,

646
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: when you come to that middle, is when they clash.

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Speaker 3: And that's one hundred percent would happen for me because

648
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: all of my systems had been working to get me

649
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: where I got, you know, success, success, success, climbing, climbing, climbing,

650
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Speaker 3: and then I had a family, and then everything started

651
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: coming back at me and nothing I had always done

652
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: was working to feel good and feel okay, and suddenly

653
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: everything was scary and everything bad news around every corner,

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Speaker 3: and to keep myself safe, I would catastrophize on a loop.

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Speaker 3: If I can imagine the bad thing happening, it won't happen.

656
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: If I don't imagine it, it's definitely going to happen.

657
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: And so that was an exhausting way of living. But

658
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: thank god I got off that train, and I wouldn't

659
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: have known that I needed to get off that train.

660
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: What was the thing you came to believe that you

661
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: had to give up to have a steadier being.

662
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm wrestling with it now you just said it.

663
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't like this anymore, know the news, politics.

664
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: And the creative people like you and me. What's more

665
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: terrifying than being stuck in something you don't like doing?

666
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: Like the reason we get into this business is I

667
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: do this over here. Then somebody asked me to do

668
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: that over there. The I'm going to write a book

669
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: over here, then I'm gonna do a podcast over there,

670
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: because we're like these wanderers.

671
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: That's you just described my career as well. Yeah, books

672
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: and a radio show, and I'll do it all. Yeah,

673
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: because and I enjoyed it.

674
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: Like when I watch the TV show in the office,

675
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: I can't watch it because I get anxiety at the

676
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: idea of sitting in an office with the same eleven

677
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: people every day. Like I can't enjoy the show because

678
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: I get claustrophobic watching people in an office.

679
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it's stifling.

680
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: No, And I've loved the fluidity of my career and

681
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: being able to try a lot of different things. But

682
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: I think the news and politics has become so awful.

683
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 3: I don't like it anymore. And the tough part is

684
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: when I try to go in different directions, it's all

685
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: people want me to do is talk politics. And so

686
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: then you you go in these circular arguments with yourself,

687
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 3: well like, Okay, this is what they want, this.

688
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 2: Is what I should give them.

689
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: But doing that we do, which is why you're successful exactly.

690
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: But I'm trying to do what you're doing, which is

691
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: say you know, I don't want to do that. And

692
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: I'm being met similarly to you with by agents and

693
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: other people by saying you don't have to do it,

694
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: don't do it, And the relief is amazing. And ten

695
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: years ago I wouldn't have known I could say that,

696
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: and I certainly wouldn't have tried.

697
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm fifty four years old, and I burst out crying.

698
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, sobbing.

699
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: Like say, you so much, right, but setting boundaries is

700
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: the only way, and advocating for yourself is the only

701
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: way you're going to create change in your own life.

702
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: They're not going to create it for you.

703
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: No one's going to come in and rescue and say,

704
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 3: you know what, it looks like you're not enjoying this anymore,

705
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: So why don't we give you something else to do

706
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: that doesn't happen?

707
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: You've got to do it yourself, right. Yeah, it's hard, and.

708
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: People like you and me who love what we do,

709
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: like so few people get to experience what you and

710
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: I have experienced, like going at a crazy young age,

711
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: Oh this is what I'm gonna do, Like oh yeah, no,

712
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: it's not a question like oh maybe I'll be a

713
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: this or that, Like no, I got it. I'm good.

714
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: And then that joy all the time because people will

715
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: say like, yeah, but you get to you get to

716
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: make people laugh every weekend. It's like, look, I've normalized

717
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: what is sensational a long time ago, like you being

718
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: on the news. Is you going to work at the

719
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: factory or you fixing a bike chain at the bike shop?

720
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: Totally the job yep, and to.

721
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Other people, and you you run out of people you

722
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: can actually share this with because they just don't understand

723
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: what it's like to be on live TV with a

724
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: guy in your ear going gotta get out, gotta get out,

725
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: gotta go so.

726
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 3: True, and you get more insular with your friends because

727
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: there's only so many people that can relate to you. Yeah, yeah,

728
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: I get it, and your world kind of closes in

729
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: and then you start to think, well, this is the

730
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: only world I have and this is my only identity.

731
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: Who am I without this? How can I change this?

732
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: That's what I mean by those moments.

733
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: At my intervention, everybody told me like, well i'll move,

734
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: I won't let you in, And then when my agent

735
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: said I won't book you anymore, I was like, I'm

736
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: going to go. I'll go to rehab that's what's got me, like,

737
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: not like your kids are gone, your wife, your boy.

738
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: Just if I'm not doing stand up? What am I?

739
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: What am I going to get a job right?

740
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it. My wife had

741
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: to hook up this stupid chrome thing you guys do

742
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: on your's.

743
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: I get it, I really I get it.

744
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: And it's a common theme because I interview creative people

745
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: for this podcast about mental health.

746
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: It's a common theme. You're in something for a long time,

747
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: you're really.

748
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: Good at it, you get the success, you achieve it,

749
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: and then it's a question of well do I can

750
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: I keep going higher? Well what if they don't want

751
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: you to go higher? What if they're telling you this

752
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: is as high as you get to go now?

753
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: Then what?

754
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: And then it's the realization, well, maybe I don't even

755
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: love it? Why am I chasing this thing that I

756
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: don't love. It's a very in your head kind of

757
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: experience that I fay.

758
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: You know, you can relate.

759
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: To you said something interesting like higher, higher, higher, like

760
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: that's how we operated for so long. But it's like

761
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge how high you are before you

762
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: can make that decision, Like you have to acknowledge like

763
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: no one, no one is more successful than me. I mean,

764
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: I've I've beat a drug addiction and I'm still I'm

765
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: now hirable. I've I've I've burned bridges and rebuilt them.

766
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm married to my best friend. I have two happy

767
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: sons that look up to me and will say that

768
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: I'm their hero. I have dogs and strollers I get

769
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: to push around town. I'm respected, I have I have

770
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: guys I helped through so brit Like, I have men

771
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: that look up to me and call me when they

772
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: need help. Like what like I'm gonna go play top

773
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play an assistant da Right, but I

774
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: get to be next to Jimmy Smith's.

775
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, that's such a good framing of it. Okay, well,

776
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: I I appreciate you for going into that.

777
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: The lesson being in a nutshell. Yeah, you can't level

778
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: up until you appreciate the level you're on. That's another friction.

779
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: That's great, that's really good.

780
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: Do you ever look back and think I've talked about

781
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: this with someone else on the podcast, Like there were

782
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: things I could do better before I started all of this,

783
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: before I had like a breakdown, like I could multitask better.

784
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: I could.

785
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: I was quicker thinking I'm not anymore. Do you ever

786
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: look back and lament maybe some of the things you've lost,

787
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: or do you feel like, no, it's okay, I'm still here.

788
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: No, I've never been that guy. And sometimes it's just

789
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: the way your hard drive is installed. Like there's no

790
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: big trick that I pulled off or figured out this

791
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: wisdom from the universe. I've just been to like go

792
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: with the fly. Hey, everything's okay. I wake up grateful

793
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: and I know I'm lucky that I wake up happy

794
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: and not with doom, Like what's the point a lot

795
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: of most people, I think wake up or at least

796
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: half right. Yeah, but everything led me to hear and

797
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: having a great time here now. And I was going

798
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: to tie this to what the thing was. No, I don't,

799
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I know, I don't have any like regrets. Is that

800
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: what you're asking me? No, Like, I'm here, but I

801
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: have a disease of self, And it wasn't that'd be

802
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: like lamenting. When I had bronchitis, I kept coughing mm hmm,

803
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: Like that's how I acted because I didn't have my

804
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: I didn't have my I didn't have my treatment yet.

805
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right.

806
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell guys that all the time. I have like shame,

807
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, if you had bronchitis, you wouldn't

808
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: be sitting around eight years later, Like I can't believe

809
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I coughed for six days, But that's a symptom of

810
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: that disease, and how I behaved is just a symptom

811
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: of this disease. So you can lament, you can wish

812
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: all you want for a different past, It's not going

813
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: to happen.

814
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, great, I really enjoyed that. Thank you.

815
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 3: We're going to do a lightning round before we leave

816
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: this podcast with j Moore.

817
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm having a blast. This is a good podcast.

818
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: Really.

819
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: Oh I love you, know, thank you for saying because your.

820
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: Sign is eclipsed by your frame, so it just says nere.

821
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: So I'm just imagining everybody with smooth legs in yours.

822
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: Where you get whack.

823
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen.

824
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: I enjoy this podcast too. For these kinds of exchanges.

825
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: I learn a lot from people who want to talk

826
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 3: openly about mental health.

827
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: People learn when I want to talk.

828
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: Openly about mental health and we do it with some

829
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: humor and getting to need you a little bit more so,

830
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: thank you. If this podcast is good, You're you're the

831
00:41:52,239 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: reason why. Okay, lightning round. Who's the best SNL cast

832
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: member you ever worked with?

833
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: Chris Farley? Yeah, exactly, see exactly. Response says it all.

834
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: He's the best cast.

835
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: Member of all time, the best, the goat.

836
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 3: If they asked you today, would you go back on

837
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: SNL as a full time cast member?

838
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: In one second yes.

839
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and one second yes because I love this cast.

840
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: I love that they seem like they're having fun as

841
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: they go. I've met when I went back to SNL fifty,

842
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: I just liked how they were. They weren't like clicky

843
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: and shitty. They were like, hey, like everybody was really happy,

844
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: and I like how they're writing. I like, I just

845
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: love these guys. I watch it every week with like

846
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: my wife and I watch it every week and then

847
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: we watch it again, like got each other's phones, like

848
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: remember this part.

849
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you should go back.

850
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Can't You can't invite yourself to the party.

851
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: Oh well they should because you'd be great. You'd be

852
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: so great. It is a great cast, but you'd be great.

853
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: Would I know.

854
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 2: You'd want to, but you wouldn't do it.

855
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: It sounds amazing, but like I'm fifty four and like

856
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: I got a good life. I don't want to go anywhere.

857
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: It's a hard schedule.

858
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: My hobbies are watching TV and taking nap, So you

859
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: don't understand how good I don't golf.

860
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: I love that, it's the best.

861
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: I watch old Westerns. I watched in the other room

862
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: watching House Hunters because women love how that's your crack.

863
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: Well, my crack is Bravo. But I were very similar,

864
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: very similar.

865
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: You're looking at the only guy to guess host watch

866
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: What Happens Live?

867
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: I love it all right, Tom Cruise or Kevin Bacon.

868
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, no matter what the question is.

869
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: Agreed, and we love Kevin Bacon, but Tom Cruise is

870
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: always the answer.

871
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: Cruise, Tom Cruise.

872
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: It's Tom Cruise or nothing, Tom Cruise. Okay, Nascar, football

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00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: or basketball?

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Speaker 2: I know you like all of those.

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00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: Basketball.

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00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: How'd you get into Nascar? I've always wanted to ask

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Speaker 2: you this.

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00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: My dad raced cars when I was a kid, race

879
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: Spec racer, not NASCAR. He raced like spec racers, And

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00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: there was always a car in the driveway on a

881
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: trailer and we'd go to Bridgehampton, Watkins Glen. I remember

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00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: like as a kid, we didn't have a lot of

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00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: like son like Walton's moments. But he'd be like, you

884
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: want to walk the track with me? And I was like,

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00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: oh yeah and stuff. Yeah. So it was like my

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00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: dad's my favorite number is thirty seven because that was

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00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: the number on his spot on his race car.

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00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: Watkins Glenn is a really fun track. That's fun.

889
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Speaker 3: I covered NASCAR and I won't mention who, but a driver,

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00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 3: a very prominent driver at the time, asked me out,

891
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: not just out, but like to be his guest at

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00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: the Sprint Cup Awards banquet at the Waldorf was I

893
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: hosting And I.

894
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: Passed for all the reasons but declined.

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00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: But I was really bummed because I was like, oh,

896
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: but but Jay Moore's hosting.

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00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: This would be So if I guess who it is,

898
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: will you admit it?

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00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: How many guesses?

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00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 1: One?

901
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: If you guess it in one, I'll admit it.

902
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: You have a terrible poker face. It was Tony Stewart.

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00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: How'd you know that?

904
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: No?

905
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: Really, how did you guess that?

906
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Because you're all he talks about? Uh, Because some guys

907
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: are like Southern boys. They got their like wives that

908
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: look like senators wives, and there's very few guys that

909
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: are single guys out there slinging.

910
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Well, no one knows that story. So

911
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: that's the first.

912
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: His nickname is Smoke.

913
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: Oh I'm aware, awhere, I'm on Smoke. I was a

914
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: big Tony fan. I just didn't want to be one

915
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: of his.

916
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: You know, maybe he would have let you wear the

917
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: fire suit and you throw an arm bar on him.

918
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: There you go. I like, how I picture you getting

919
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: like pocket aces because you're like, all right, I'm gonna

920
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: be real. He's not gonna read you.

921
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: Try. Well, you guessed it. Amazing.

922
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: It's on the Reddit. You can read it. You and Tony.

923
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: Oh it's not. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. Okay, Okay.

924
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: Who's the greatest joke writer of all time?

925
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: George Carlin? Because he wrote social commentary. You can teach

926
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: like religion, theology, ethics, poetry, civics. You could teach all

927
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: that just by doing George Carlin bits in college, Like

928
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: you could have a college course and teach everything just

929
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: by playing George Carlin clips and his economy of words.

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00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he was great. Best vacation you ever took.

931
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: When I was a kid. My grandfather lived in Bayville,

932
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: New Jersey. He had a boat and it was paradise.

933
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: And I was alone a lot because my sisters were

934
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: older than me, so it'd be like me. And his

935
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: name was Red, and he had a boat named Big Red.

936
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: So you just go out and Barnegut Bay and fish

937
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: together and go crabbing. And I had my own rowboat,

938
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: and I would row out to Barnegut Bay and go

939
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: crabbing by myself, and I'd bring home like bushels of

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00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: crabs and feed my entire family at like eleven years old.

941
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: Awesome.

942
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: There's no better memory than that.

943
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: Love that.

944
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: Album you'd listen to over and over again if it

945
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: was the only one you had.

946
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: Miles Davis kind of Blue, but you two Octungue Baby

947
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Speaker 1: is distant second.

948
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, this is the last question. It's the

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00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 3: most important to us. We ask it every time. When

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00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 3: is iced coffee season?

951
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm a hot coffee guy, so only because I

952
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: drink ice coffee too fast and it makes me why

953
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: I drink it. I peek constantly when I drink ice coffee.

954
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: Because you can drink it fast.

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00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think ice coffee season is uh July first

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00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: to July second.

957
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: One day a year.

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00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: You got twenty four hour window, but you have to

959
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: you can't sleep, you just have to drink twenty four hours.

960
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: It's like the ice Bucket Challenge, but with ice coffee.

961
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, the correct answer, of course is year round, but.

962
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: Rules rus are here.

963
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: It's it's either year round or if you're not going there,

964
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: it's I better I better see some sticky people showing

965
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: up to work because they pour an ice coffee over

966
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: their heads. Okay, you're a big ice coffee fan.

967
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up in Massachusetts Dunk and donut. It's

968
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: like it was a part of my religion growing up,

969
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: and so yeah, ice coffee my sticks. Yeah, yeah, it's

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00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 3: a big part of my life.

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00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: I just never remember what my order is when I

972
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: want an ice coffee because I don't want just ice coffee.

973
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: But like friends will come over and I'll have a

974
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: sip and I'm like, oh my god, this is the

975
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: nectar of the Lord, right, Like what is this? And

976
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: they're like, and I've had no Seriously, I've had them

977
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: like text me the order. I've written it down in

978
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: my notes on my phone and just yeah, just gonna coffee.

979
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: Mine's not complicated. I want a large duncan iced with milk.

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00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: And to Stevia.

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00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: That's it, nice, delicious, Jaymore, thank you so much for

982
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: coming to Off the Cup. This was an excellent, excellent conversation.

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Speaker 2: I appreciated it.

984
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: Whenever you need me, this is very fun.

985
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:33,959
Speaker 2: Whatever.

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00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: My wife can surrender her computer and you get on it.

987
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: So don't run your empire right now. I got you know.

988
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking to my friends. I don't even know how

989
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: to close out this cab.

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00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 2: We'll handle it next week.

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Speaker 3: On Off the Cup, I sit down with my good friend,

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Speaker 3: singer songwriter Steven Kellogg.

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Speaker 1: I have said things to my children, and I write

994
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Speaker 1: all these songs that you hear. A lot of my

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00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: songs are a bad out.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people erroneously just assume I'm a great dad

997
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Speaker 5: because they hear these loving songs.

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Speaker 2: They're like, you love kids.

999
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I love my kids.

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Speaker 2: Most of those other kids are assholes.

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Speaker 1: So don't don't.

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Speaker 2: Let's not put words in my best.

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