WEBVTT - Nightcap - Hour 1: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and former NFL All-Pro Terron Armstead look back on Armstead’s Pro Bowl career and why he decided it was time to retire from the NFL 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:02.080 The volume. 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:14.400 Hello ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:15.760 for another episode of Nightcap. 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:16.319 Y'all know me. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.760 I'm your favorite on Shannon Sharp, my partner and co 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.520 hosts Liberty City's own Bengal Ring of Fame, honoree pro bowler, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.960 all Pro Madden Adjuster. That's Chad o Cho Senko Johnson, 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.640 and we have a very special guest tonight. He's a 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.120 five time pro bowler out of the yard out of 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.600 Arkansas Pine Bluff from Belleville, Illinois, and he still holds 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.040 the record for the fastest offensive lineman for a forty 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.320 yard dash time in the combined history at four seven one. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.199 Here he is, Tron Armstead. Tron, how you doing, man, 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.920 I'm good, I'm good. How you doing? I'm doing amazing. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:49.120 Brother. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.720 We even to just skip over that art. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:56.280 Yeah, we'll get to this. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:58.480 Crime button. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.080 Please make sure you hit the light button, and guys, 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.080 go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.120 your podcasts from. 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Go check 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.000 out my media company page on all of his platforms, 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.560 Shayshape Media and My Clothing Company eighty four. The link 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.360 is pin in the chat. Supplies are limited and once 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.440 they're gone, they're gone, so please grab yours while supplies last. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:51.600 Yes, O Joe. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:58.200 In the twenty thirteen Combine Tarn recorded the fastest forty 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.400 for an offensive lineman. I'm buying history, a record that 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.320 still stands to this day. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:05.200 It was close. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.320 Lane Johnson ran four seven two, but Toront's record of 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.160 four to seven one is close. And if I'm not mistaken, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.400 they are the only two offensive linemens that's run in 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.520 the four sevenths. They've been a couple of runs low 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.280 four eights, but no other lineman other than Tehran at 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.960 four seven one. Lane Johnson at four seven two have 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.600 been in the offensive lineman have been in the four 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:26.440 seven so. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.360 As of yet. So now we're thirteen years. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:34.000 In county twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen, and Toront still 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.080 helds that record. Toront, Look, you're coming out of Arkansas 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.120 Pine Bluff and it's not like it used to be. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.799 There used to be a plethora of guys coming out 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.160 of HBCUs and so that would have been nothing, but 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.320 here it is. Now we're in the twenty tens and 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.720 we get an offensive linean your three times swack All 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.120 Conference player, and you go to the Combine. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:56.880 What were your expectations? 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.000 Did you know you had this kinunt of ability in you? 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:01.320 Yeah, for sure, for sure. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.720 I knew I had the talent and the speed and 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.680 agility to showcase. I just had to get to the showcase. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.920 So it was really huge for me to get that 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:14.040 Combine invite. That was that was monumental for me trying 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.000 to get more exposure, to get more eyes to my. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.560 To my tape. So I knew that I was going 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:18.880 to go. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.440 I was going for the record for sure, Like before 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.519 I even before we got to Indy, I was going 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.359 for the record. I wanted to run faster honestly than that. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:29.839 But I'll take the four seven. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.080 Four three on five. That's movie. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:33.840 That's what I would get me to ask you. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.160 I would give me to ask you how tall you 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.000 were and how much you weighed to be able to 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:41.640 run that. Listen, I ain't running but full five, So technically, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:43.160 well you right there with me. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:44.240 Mike there on your neck. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.080 Yeah, I was six six five, three oh six, I 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:49.960 believe three or four at the combine. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.200 Wow, so you knew, you knew? So what was if 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.280 I'm not, I don't know what the record was? What 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.240 was the record? What was the fastest forty time for 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.920 an offensive lineman before you broke it? 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.600 It was four a four for a four While you 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:04.960 didn't break it, you're obliterated. 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.360 I needed it. I needed it. I needed all that. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.160 I needed that that my moment. I was on NFL 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.160 network dot com NFL dot com for like two hours. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.400 I needed all of it. So so the scouts can 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:17.719 go watch my film. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.320 Okay, so now you go run that forty yard dash 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.960 type you run four seven one, and that's really the order. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.520 Yeah they want you to jump high, Yeah, they want 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.480 you to do too. But speed is what captivates their tension. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.200 Now you in offensive alignment. You never gonna be able 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.760 to unwind that four seven one again, But you just 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.680 wanted to put that on table to let them see. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.200 Look you got a phenomenal athlete. Yes, I went to 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.839 Arkansas Pine Bluff. Yeah, I know you're gonna downgrade me 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.480 talk about who did I blog and who play against? 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.560 But I'm gonna come and showcase my skills and let 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:49.760 you see and then the chips. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:50.200 Fall where they may. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.720 So when you ran that time, did you know, like, okay, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.760 I got their undivioted attention, I'm about to get drafted. 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:56.960 Oh yeah, no, for sure. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.200 We have special talents down there in these HBCUs all 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:00.920 across the country. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:01.240 We do. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.880 So I just needed the opportunity to showcase my skill. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:06.760 I knew a time it was I was going for 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:08.760 the vertical record too. I missed that by half an inch, 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.040 so like I knew that I was going to be 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.680 able to make that splash, and like I say again, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.760 I needed it. I really needed that chance to get 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.520 all the scouts just to watch my fam I wouldn't 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.440 ask you for no favorites, but just check out the 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:21.760 film and see the dominance. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:22.480 Yeah. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.640 Now, also when I look at the officer line position, 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.599 as fast as you were, you know, as far as 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.920 running the forty, did you have an advantage as far 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.159 as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.000 line as well? Because most of the time, obviously, you know, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.880 playing officer line is all about your hand placement in 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:42.440 your footwork. You know, we always being being balanced for sure. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:44.640 Did they give you the advantage? 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:45.320 Yeah? 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.839 No, My athletic says to my agility that those were 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.240 my strengths when I played throughout my twelve year career 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.560 because I'm six five three oh four, not the biggest tackle, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.280 not not necessarily the strongest either, but I'm on your 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.240 ass as soon as it ass now a lot of jump, says, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.839 I had to use that in my game. So find 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:06.479 ways to play in my strength, and I was using 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.200 my speed. Were you always an offensive lineman? 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:09.600 Cuts out? 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.080 I mean, with with that kind of fast twitch, you 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.640 might have been a you might have been a tight 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.239 end at some point in time in your career. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.920 Were you always an offensive lineman? 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.520 Well, back in my hometown Cookie, Illinois, we went off 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.279 of speed. That's what we do. We run, So I 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.720 was a defensive lineman off of Lima. But I would 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.960 to go play seven on seven with the guys corner 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:27.000 safety receive it. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:27.359 Wow. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.400 Really yeah, it really was like that really was like that. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.919 I can't do that shit, no no more. But like 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.080 I came move like that no morel too. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.840 You mentioned you say so you were thirty four, thirty 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.720 four right now, thirty five, thirty three, thirty three to 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.520 run you walk away from the game, You're only thirty three. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.359 Lineman normally played there and at thirty six, thirty seven, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.839 thirty eight. We saw Jacket Slatter play twenty years and 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.280 he retired at forty plus, and we see Lineman especially. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:57.919 I don't know your injury history. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.240 That's why, that's why I'm going with this, why I 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.800 walk away from the game and all that chap out there. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.960 You see that money, fact how it is. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.480 It's a lot of freshly printed money out there, for sure. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:10.840 It is. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.080 Yes, indeed, I got a man, God bless me with 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.240 so many great moments in great years and a great career. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:23.040 My injury history is extensive, it is, yes, it is long, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:24.520 and I've been through it. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.840 And that's really the part for me is my body. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.240 You know, I love this game. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.040 I mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game for forever, 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.920 you know. But it's just physically and I'm and I'm 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.480 okay with with saying that that that my body is 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:42.040 slowing down. It's movements and abilities that I just can't 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:43.679 perform at the same level. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.880 And I take so much pride in my film. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.960 Yeah, man, it has to look a certain way, Like 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.520 every time I sip on the field, it has to 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.040 look Pro Bowl, all Pro like that's the that's the 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.000 brand I wanted to leave. So that's just I never 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.200 want to look like I'm out there getting my getting 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:57.640 whooped on. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:58.600 That ain't that can't happen. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:07:59.160 You know what. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:07:59.920 It takes a lot. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.960 It takes a lot of awareness, self awareness at that 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.240 for a player of your caliber, or any player that's 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.040 played in the NFL, that's played at a high level 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.920 to understand what it's time to call upus. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:10.200 Most of the time, we'll. 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.240 Ride, we'll ride, the ride the car to the wheels 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.320 fall off, you know, with no regard for you know what, 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.240 I don't look the same. At what moment did you 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.160 realize that, you know what, I really don't have it 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.160 to play at the All Pro or or Pro Bowl 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:23.880 level anymore. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:25.640 But what moment did it hit you? 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.000 Yeah, I've been dealing with a knee since my third 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.520 year in the league, but it's been with me from 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:32.760 for my entire career. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.800 So man, just I'll speak on this year alone. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.320 I didn't see a practice field like at all, and 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.960 not because I didn't want to or the Dolphins just 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.319 wanted me to rest. It's like I literally couldn't walk, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.840 you know, I couldn't after a game on Sunday. I 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.280 wouldn't be able to walk on my own, you know, 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.600 under my own power till Wednesday, Thursday. So I was 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.960 only able to play under under under the pay mads. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.800 I couldn't put any pressure on my knee. So it 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.400 was like, I can't keep doing that to myself. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.439 Man. We uh it comes. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.720 Thirty three and you now you get to be forty 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.400 and all of a sudden, you're like, man with my 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.959 liver shutting down, my kids and all the other things 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.319 from taking those pain medicine. Because I know I've seen 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.319 I've seen linemen have to take vicoing just to practice. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.200 I get I get the game. I get the game. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.920 I really do, because you know, a that's once a week, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.040 but the practice oh hell. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.160 Yeah, yeah, no, that's crazy, and that's what that was 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:27.079 the norm. For sure. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.560 I didn't I didn't want to fall in that cycle, right. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.520 But the thing is, Aszcho was saying, it takes a 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.760 space because to the to the lay person, they don't 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.640 they don't, they don't, they don't really see what you know. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.640 And the thing is is that when you it's kind 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.880 of hard to let go and not practice because as 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.079 an offensive lineman sets for everything, whether you're gonna jump 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:56.800 where you a mat, and the thing is, you got 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.840 to practice that during the course of a week. It's 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.560 hard or an offensive line to just go out there 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.520 on a Sunday jump said quick said, hey stab whatever 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.959 the case may be, and just to go and you're 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.480 going against the best of the best. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.120 You you said it, you said it. It's the reps. 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.120 It is, especially for offensive line play. We so based 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.520 on technique and uh tim and and all the hand 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.440 placement and not not to mention the cohesiveness of everyone, 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.679 because you know, we're the only unit that never comes 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.840 off the field outside of the quarterback that's one person, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.000 but we're the only unit that never comes off the field. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.680 So that chemistry and time, and it just is really 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.079 tough not getting those practice reps and then preparing mentally 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.920 for Max Crosby and Miles Garrett. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.040 And like, that's not okay. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.000 You got to keep doing that with TJ. Watt. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.559 Listen, I'm not about to keep doing that man with 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.600 no practice, Like, come on, man. 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.880 Because you talk about your office Tehran, you talk about 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.440 your t excuse me, you talk about your offensive lineman, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.400 and like, okay, they get somebody else in there to 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.520 practice it. But you and that left guard, y'all need 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.960 to be cohesive. Yeah, you need to like be on 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.120 the same level and pass it off, because if you're 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.120 on different levels, guy, go hit that crack And now 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:14.840 everybody's like, man, y'all hate judge it. 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.760 But see, you might be a little slow. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.000 He might have been a little fast, and all of 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.160 a sudden you give up a sack when y'all should 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.679 have had that situation covered. I know, I look and 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.040 everybody doesn't do it the same because I remember practicing 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.520 with Gary Zimmerman, who the Who's the two decade All 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.360 Decade player in the eighties and the nineties. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.680 He went to the Hall of Fame, but he didn't 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.920 like me. He didn't like me. The chip block m 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:42.600 he didn't like the chip. He don't touch it, Yeah. 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.160 He said, if I if I jumped said it. Man, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.400 you hit him, you're gonna knock him inside and now 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.440 I can't get him, and everybody goes, thank I got beat. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:49.480 So don't touch it. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.320 Yeah, that's a real thing, especially especially if you have 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.080 a big physical tight end, like like yourself. So like 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.720 you hitting him too hard? He getting momentum, he getting 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.520 like a yo. And yeah to the inside move you 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.760 know what I got him to, just get out the way, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:06.440 go get open. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:07.719 Jonathan ja O. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.960 Now I played with j O Jonathan Ogden, who's the 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:10.959 first battlet of Hall of Famer. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.400 He like, hey, knock him, knock him out if you can't. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.600 For me, and depend on who it is man who exactly. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.920 But like you said, starting offensive lineman, they want some 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.200 I mean, hey, stick and stay or some guys like 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.720 don't touch him. But like you said, not practice like 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.120 for an offensive lineman. And seeing like like I said, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.560 I've worked with Zam for like four years, work with 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.760 Jail for two years, and to see what they go 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.520 through because they're working on this sets. They ay, they're kicking. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.280 Am I gonna stab him? Am I gonna quick sit him? 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.720 Am I gonna jump setting? What am I gonna do? 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.520 And not? In the game? Man, I want to jump set, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.120 but I need bother you. No, I can't. 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.720 I can't see. I can't do what I want. But 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.800 the mind say do that? That body said, brother, do 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:57.360 you do that? 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.679 You say you can't do that? You can't through it 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:01.080 no more? 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.600 Hey, when it came to playing a left tackle position, now, 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.800 I think about my approach to playing receiver when it 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.120 came to DB's and studying each dB every week and 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.200 understanding what type of dB I'm going against? You got 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:12.720 some that a quick, some of that are fast, some 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.160 of the physical, some better, some of that you know, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.040 playoff or whatever may be. What was your approach when 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.120 it came to playing defensive ends each week? It was 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.200 was your Was your approach different as far as from 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:25.559 from a technical standpoint? 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.520 Do you change up things you did depending on who 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:28.320 you were playing that week? 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.079 Well, I've always said this is a show that it's 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.520 a lot of parallels to me, a lot of similarities 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:38.760 between O line tackling, tackling d N and receiver in corner, Yes, sir, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.360 like that that one on one match up. It's a 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:45.080 lot of dynamics there that that's parallel to me. The 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.760 technique that goes into with tendencies. Like you said, is 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.680 he pressing well? If I jab inside? What are you 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.760 doing with his hands? Same thing as I'm bringing the 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.440 defensive end. I'm looking at their alignment. First, how wide 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.520 is he getting? And then it get off? You know, 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.959 how well is he timing the snap? Then I want 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.320 to see his home runs. What's what's his go to 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.640 move that he's consistently winning on. What's he's winning on 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.080 the most I break that down. That's the one I 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.120 want to take away. I want to take that one away, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.400 and then all right, what's his second highest percentage move 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.079 to count. I'm taking those top two away throughout my career. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.440 That was the goal, my objective of game planning. I 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.600 want to take them top two winners away. Now, if 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.480 you beat me with a third, you you you're a 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.680 bad man, but you know you're gonna have to get that. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.160 But for me, I was taking those top two, top 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:29.840 two moves away. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:31.920 And one of the things that I've always liked to 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.000 ask players that that once they're done playing. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.200 Who gave them the most fits? For me? 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.320 And everybody asked me all the time, listen, you played 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.320 a very long time, you're going against them. I've always 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.640 had to deal with the number one dB and everyone asked, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.120 you know, who gave you fits? And obviously the one 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:51.240 person I say every time two thousand he had locked 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:52.120 everybody up, but. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.000 Super strong about nobody else. But you you see how 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:56.680 you did that. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:03.840 When he talked, listen, we hey, you gave fits, so 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.440 you just want to give them their flowers? 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.200 Yeah, you know, man, I had some battles. I had 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.080 some of these guys I say too many times like 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.960 I didn't. I didn't want to have these rivalry going on, 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:18.000 but you know that's how the schedule go. I played 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.920 Miles a ton. Miles always one of those. He one 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.360 of those you got to you can make sure you 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.440 breakfasts like he's He's one of those, for sure. But 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.800 the guy that gave me the most fits, and I've 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.720 probably seen him the most and he is still underrated 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:32.280 in my eyes. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:38.000 Robert Robert, Oh, that first trouble Quinn, he's been in 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:38.600 that edge. 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.800 He listen, Robert Quinn, he got he probably got the 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.360 most sacks on me, like out of everybody's he's the 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.400 person that say I got two on t stair Like 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.720 he he probably that one person that can say that, right, Okay, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.280 that dude game he yeah he. I don't even want 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.920 to see him post career. I don't want to see him. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.840 We can't be friends nothing. I don't want to run 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:00.320 in Robert. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.760 It's really it's really like a dance because like they 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.040 they getting that white, they're getting that what they're getting 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:11.480 to that wide nine and now hey, you're like, Okay, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.880 I know he's gonna come wide, but what if he 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.360 dropping bull me? Okay, now he gonna hit me, and 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.720 then he's been inside, so I got I got all 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.280 that going in though, I gotta. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:22.920 Look at him. Okay, what is he doing now? I'm kicking. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.400 I can only kick so far because the damn cornerback 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.480 right there. Help keep kicking. I'm gonna be in this 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.920 damn lamp. I can all again, brother, like you kick 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:33.960 and then I got to say it, and I gotta 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.240 tell you, hey, I gotta be I don't want him 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.400 to get it. I don't want him to bend the 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.720 edge on me because these like you said, Miles can 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.200 being but also I also don't want him wax on 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.160 wax off been crossed my face. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:47.320 All that. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.960 We're trying to process all that, man, and they lined 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.360 up in his wide nine, and these athletes are only 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.800 getting They're only getting bigger, faster, stronger. Yeah, So it's man, 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.800 it's it's it's tough to deal with. Like Micah playing 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.120 Michael Parsons for the first time. It was Christmas Day. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.320 We in Miami, Beautiful Day. We smacked the cowboys. That 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.400 ain't part of the story. But seeing seeing Michael Parsons 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.120 for the first time in real life, it was different. Bro, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.320 Like you are You're way too big to be moving 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.159 as fast it can be in that well. Like, yeah, 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.240 it's just the athlete. The evolution of the athlete is 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.919 just it's becoming something something different. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:25.160 Man. 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:27.480 Cool, I'm cool. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.919 Y'all watching, you know, playing against Dereck Thomas. But the 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:33.960 guy that I had the most respect for, I only 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.480 played againt him for two years because I was on 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.119 in Baltimore two years. I've never seen a guy his 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:43.359