WEBVTT - Geezer Butler

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the barblas Sex Podcast. My

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<v Speaker 1>guest today is Geezer. Butler's autobiography Into the Void From

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<v Speaker 1>Birth to Black Sabbath and Beyond, has just been published

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<v Speaker 1>in a paperback edition. Geezer, where are you right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Just outside Las Vegas in Henderson, Nevada?

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<v Speaker 1>And where do you normally reside?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes? Yeah, sometimes Park City, Utah and Lapworth in England.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you end up in Park City?

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<v Speaker 2>We used to. Me and my wife used to stay

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<v Speaker 2>with friends there every Christmas and I just loved it

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<v Speaker 2>there and love being up in the mountains and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>fight at So we ended up buying a house there

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<v Speaker 2>and we love living there, so we decided to buy

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger house. That's where we how we got there?

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<v Speaker 1>And are you a skier?

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<v Speaker 2>Nope? But my grandkids are. They come up every every

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas to go skiing and they come up in the

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<v Speaker 2>build there next week to go lying on the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a nice little beach where we live and

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<v Speaker 2>a little lake that they like to go paddle board

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<v Speaker 2>and kayaking in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this deal in time. What's the difference in living

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK as opposed to living in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, mainly the weather. I just got back from the

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<v Speaker 2>UK literally three days ago and it was bloody for

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<v Speaker 2>a freezing It's like going from one extreme to the other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like fifty eight degrees. When I left the UK

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<v Speaker 2>we landed in Las Vegas, it was one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about the politics. We hear all about Brexit,

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<v Speaker 1>We hear labor. You know what's going on in England.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, labor has just got in this allegedly for the

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<v Speaker 2>working class, but I don't ever believe it. Politicians are

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<v Speaker 2>ever for the working class. It's just a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a mess over there. It's it's unrecognizable from when I

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<v Speaker 2>used to when I grew up there in the fifties

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<v Speaker 2>and sixties. It's more like West Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 1>However, there are you talking because of immigration or because

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<v Speaker 1>of other reasons?

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<v Speaker 2>A hell of a lot of immigration. We're in Birmingham

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<v Speaker 2>now it's it's more Muslim than Christian. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two. I think it's thirty three percent Muslim, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two say Christian, which is complete turnaround from when I

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<v Speaker 2>when I was born.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, wasn't Braxfast supposed to reduce immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but nobody ever believed that. I think only the

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<v Speaker 2>people that voted to come out of breakfait Brexit believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a lot of rubbish, especially if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the music industry. Or it made it really hard for

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<v Speaker 2>up and coming bands to tour Europe because all the

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<v Speaker 2>restrictions on if you were from Britain had to pay

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<v Speaker 2>all extra taxes and stuff like that. When you touring,

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<v Speaker 2>you costs a lot more to tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you were growing up in Brunning here. When did

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<v Speaker 1>you first get interested in music? Mainly when I first

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<v Speaker 1>heard the Beatles. I mean I had three brothers and

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<v Speaker 1>three sisters, so there was always music going on. We

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<v Speaker 1>brothers loved Elvis and Eddie Cochran and Frank Sinatra. My

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<v Speaker 1>other sisters like Cliff Richard, people like and my mom

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<v Speaker 1>and dad liked loads of Irish music because they were

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<v Speaker 1>from Dublin.

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<v Speaker 2>So I used to get so there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>music going on. There was like Irish folk songs, Irish

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<v Speaker 2>rebellion songs from the IRA, Elvis, Eddie Cocker and all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of stuff going on. And then when I first

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<v Speaker 2>heard the Beatles, that's when I started getting into music.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you hear the Beatles?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, pop music wasn't allowed on the radio in England

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, so there was this offshore radio station

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<v Speaker 2>called Radio Luxembourg. So if you wanted to hear pop music,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you used to tune into every and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I used to do, listen to Radio Luxembourg. And

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<v Speaker 2>then this one night the DJ says, who's a new

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<v Speaker 2>band from Liverpool called the Beatles, and this is called

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<v Speaker 2>Love Me Do? And it was like nothing else that

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<v Speaker 2>I'd ever heard before, and that was zero fell in

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<v Speaker 2>love with it. That's what I wanted to be a

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<v Speaker 2>Beatle from then on.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the Beatles hit in America year Leader, if not

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<v Speaker 1>a year and a half lead, So you heard that song.

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<v Speaker 1>How long until beatle media took over in the UK?

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<v Speaker 2>It was probably that was probably in the winter when

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<v Speaker 2>Love Me Do came out, and then by the summer

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<v Speaker 2>it was like full on beetle maniac that put out

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<v Speaker 2>please Please Meet from me to you, and then when

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<v Speaker 2>She Loves You came out, it was like all hell broke.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you like the other Liverpool? The other so

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<v Speaker 1>called British vision was mostly the Beetles, Yeah, I like to.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, nobody could touch the Beetles.

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<v Speaker 2>But when the Stones came along, I love the Stones

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<v Speaker 2>because they looked totally radical for that time, with long

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<v Speaker 2>hair the beetles or still woar suits and everything. And

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<v Speaker 2>when they went on stage they used to dress identical.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the Rolling Stones came along, they were the

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<v Speaker 2>first band to not wear the same clothes or suits

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that on stage, so they were completely

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<v Speaker 2>radical to us, and the hair was much longer. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the Kinks came along with the Who. It was

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of bands.

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<v Speaker 1>So how long after the Beatles hit did you start

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<v Speaker 1>playing an instrument?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, luckily enough, I was at school at the time

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<v Speaker 2>and this kid at school was asking if anybody wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to buy a guitar, and I said, oh, yeah, I'm interested.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is like a battered old acoustic guitar with

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<v Speaker 2>two strings on and I said how much you I'm

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<v Speaker 2>for it and it is fifty pence, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>that's seventy cents. Of course, I didn't have money at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, so my brother lent me fifty pence which

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<v Speaker 2>is like seventy cents or wherever, and I bought the

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<v Speaker 2>guitar and I started playing all the Beatles melodies on

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<v Speaker 2>the two strings, and and that's where it started. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how it started.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay in Birmingham in America. I've never been to Birmingham.

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<v Speaker 1>We hear it's an industrial city. So what was Birmingham

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<v Speaker 1>like compared to the other cities in England when you

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<v Speaker 1>were growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Birmingham was the that's where the industrial Revolution started

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<v Speaker 2>in seventeen eighteenth Entry where the first factories were from,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was eventually it became the in the World

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<v Speaker 2>War Two. That's where they made all the planes and

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<v Speaker 2>tanks and engines and armament at the armament factories. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a massive city, just full of factories

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. And people looked at Birmingham as

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<v Speaker 2>the industrial capital of Britain, and it was like fairly

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<v Speaker 2>rough and ready. Where I lived, it was like opposite

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<v Speaker 2>two big factories. So I used to hear the noise

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<v Speaker 2>of the machines day in and day out, and you

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<v Speaker 2>were just destined to become, you know, a factory worker.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what did your father do for a living?

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<v Speaker 2>He worked at this play It's called Tube's Investments, which

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<v Speaker 2>was like he was. They made these great big sort

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<v Speaker 2>of anything to do with steel or metal, and he

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<v Speaker 2>used to pack all these big long scaffolding tubes and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, your appearents came from Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>Why, I'm not sure why, but I don't think there

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<v Speaker 2>was much. There was no work in Ireland at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was in to try and get some money.

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<v Speaker 2>In the I think nineteen twenties, he joined the army,

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<v Speaker 2>the British Army, the Royal Scots Regiment and he was

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<v Speaker 2>in the army for twelve years and eventually when he

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<v Speaker 2>got demobed from from the army, he was looking for

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<v Speaker 2>work and there was none in Ireland. So that's how

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<v Speaker 2>they came to live in Birmingham, that's where the jobs were.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there are seven kids in your family, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that common in your neighborhood for people to have

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<v Speaker 1>that many kids?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was quite There's a lot of Irish where

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<v Speaker 2>we were living, a lot of Irish and Scottish. Eventually

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Indians, Pakistanis and Jamaicans. But yeah, as

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<v Speaker 2>was a big Catholic area, so you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of big, big families around there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in the book you describe a horrid scrabble living

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<v Speaker 1>in a small house with an outhouse in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what was it like?

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<v Speaker 2>It was freezing in winter time. I mean the tilet

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<v Speaker 2>used to freeze up, and everything you have to get

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<v Speaker 2>you have to buy all some water on the gas

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<v Speaker 2>stove to pour it over the ice in the toilet

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<v Speaker 2>and used that as to flush the toilet. You left

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<v Speaker 2>to bile water on this gas stove so you could

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<v Speaker 2>flush the toilet. Of course, there was no heating in

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<v Speaker 2>the house. There used to be frost on the insides

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<v Speaker 2>of the windows in winter. No bathroom, no hot water,

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<v Speaker 2>so any hot water you'd have to buile. And only

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<v Speaker 2>electricity in the living room, so you could only plug

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<v Speaker 2>anything in in the living room unless you unless you

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<v Speaker 2>plugged stuff into the light socket.

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<v Speaker 1>At what age did you have plumbing in the house?

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<v Speaker 2>We never did not until I left home. We used

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the local the local swimming baths was

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<v Speaker 2>a Victorian place and they used to have socialized bathing,

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<v Speaker 2>so you could go and have a bath the local

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<v Speaker 2>swimming baths. When my sister got married, she had a

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<v Speaker 2>bathroom in the house, so we all we used to

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<v Speaker 2>go down there once a week to have a bath

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<v Speaker 2>in her house.

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<v Speaker 1>So how large was the house that you grew up in?

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<v Speaker 2>It was two rooms downstairs a kitchen and then upstairs

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<v Speaker 2>three bedrooms and an attic. But it got quite a

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<v Speaker 2>battering during World War two, so there was that some

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<v Speaker 2>of the roof got blown off in the house, and

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<v Speaker 2>in England it didn't. England didn't really recover until the

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<v Speaker 2>late sixties from World War two, and Birmiham, because it

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<v Speaker 2>was so industrial, got an absolute battering by the luff Waffer.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a bomb buildings, bomb building sites up

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<v Speaker 2>until like nineteen sixty five around where I lived. But

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<v Speaker 2>we used to go and play amongst all the rubble.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about the availability, you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>rationing in television, when did all that end or come about?

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<v Speaker 2>Rationing wasn't finished until nineteen fifty five. So when I

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<v Speaker 2>used to go errands for me, mom and I used

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<v Speaker 2>to have to take the ration book and you'd show

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<v Speaker 2>them the ration book and she'd mark off like butter

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<v Speaker 2>potatos wherever, and then they like way the potatoes or

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<v Speaker 2>the butter mark it off in your ration book and

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<v Speaker 2>that a bit, and then you take it home and

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<v Speaker 2>as I say, that didn't finish until nineteen fifty five.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have a television until nineteen fifty seven because

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<v Speaker 2>the local football teams in the cup final. Here comes me.

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<v Speaker 1>So when rationing ended as a practical matter as a

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<v Speaker 1>little kid, how did it affect you?

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't really affect me. I mean we obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>saw an orange for the first time. Sure, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>finally got fruit. Him comes with cat. Uh, just just

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<v Speaker 2>got different food. I suppose a bit more more more

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about candy? You're a kid, we used to I.

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<v Speaker 2>Used to buy candy with pocket money because because I

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<v Speaker 2>had three brothers and three sisters, my mom and dad,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to get quite a bit of pocket money

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<v Speaker 2>every week so I could go across to the sweet

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<v Speaker 2>shop and you know, stuck up on wherever sweets I

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<v Speaker 2>could have.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there are seven kids in the family. Where are

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<v Speaker 1>you in the hierarchy?

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<v Speaker 2>I was the seventh, so you were the youngest? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How did the other six kids? What are they? What

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<v Speaker 1>were their lives?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Boy? Maybe eldest sister got married when I I think

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<v Speaker 2>one years old. She got married in I think nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty or nineteen fifty one, so I didn't really know

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<v Speaker 2>her a lot. I used to go into the house

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<v Speaker 2>because she lived just around the corner. Then there's another sister,

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<v Speaker 2>more than three brothers, and then another sister, and then

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<v Speaker 2>me and everybody used to go to work, except when

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<v Speaker 2>I was at school that me and my sister were

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<v Speaker 2>at school together and everybody else was working.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have this big success as a rock store,

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<v Speaker 1>do your family do they ask for money? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to support them? Or what happened there?

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<v Speaker 2>No fact, My family was so proud that never ever

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<v Speaker 2>ever asked me for money. And when I finally did

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<v Speaker 2>sees money coming in, I think after the second album

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<v Speaker 2>did well and the twos started doing well, and I

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<v Speaker 2>tried to buy my mom and dad a little house

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<v Speaker 2>away from Aston and my dad was like, really insulted

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<v Speaker 2>by it. This is what's married. Isn't this house good

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<v Speaker 2>enough for you anymore? And no, I didn't mean it

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I just wanted to see you getting barness.

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<v Speaker 2>Look on the head of this household. If I want

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<v Speaker 2>a new house, I'll buy it. I do own any

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<v Speaker 2>money from you. And that was the attitude of all family,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're they proud of your success. Yeah, but of

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<v Speaker 2>course nobody expected it to like last. Everybody thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a flash in the pan, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>my mom and dad would never take any money off me.

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<v Speaker 2>That obviously, keep your money, save it up for when,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when this is all over, and then never

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<v Speaker 2>see it last very long.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, were you good with the money when it came

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<v Speaker 3>in or not so good? I was very careful because

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<v Speaker 3>I knew what it was like to not have any money.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was a bit silly really, because everybody else

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<v Speaker 3>in the band were like found them the manager manager

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<v Speaker 3>sence the thousand dollars tomorrow and they'd be getting all

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<v Speaker 3>this money. And I'd say to the manager, or just

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<v Speaker 3>keep mine, you know, from when I'm older, so I've

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<v Speaker 3>got something to fall back on, And of course the

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<v Speaker 3>manager stole it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Dislead. Do you get royalties?

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<v Speaker 2>Do a depth get them now? Yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know we're living in an era where a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people are selling their royalties. Would you ever

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<v Speaker 1>do that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've sold some of the cattle out, but

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<v Speaker 2>not all of it. It depends on what they're offering.

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<v Speaker 2>But at this point, you own everything. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now you were a smart kid right at school?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I got enough qualifications to become an accountant,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least apply for the job of an accountancy,

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<v Speaker 2>which meant you had to have like certain educational qualifications

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<v Speaker 2>just to get the just to get an interview for

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<v Speaker 2>the job. And so that's what I thought, I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an accountant.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, when was it evident in school that you were

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<v Speaker 1>smarter than the average kid?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I did well in my exams. There was three tiers.

0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Each year had three tiers. There was Alpha, A, and B.

0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Alpha was the top stream, the most intelligent ones. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was always in the Alpha stream.

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<v Speaker 1>And did the as the kids criticize you for doing well?

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<v Speaker 2>No, because on my mates are in the same class.

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<v Speaker 1>And then didn't you get some kind of scholarship to

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<v Speaker 1>go to a better school.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you had to have a certain amount of qualifications

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to go to college or university, but

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<v Speaker 2>you had to spend an extra two years at school.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wanted to leave when I was sixteen, So

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<v Speaker 2>I left when I was sixteen, And because I applied

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<v Speaker 2>to be an account and I went to college like

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<v Speaker 2>twice a week, but I could never get there on time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you're a pretty airly day guy. You're a

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<v Speaker 1>big reader, and you're a lyricist for Black Sabbath for

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<v Speaker 1>most of the songs. Where did you love of reading

0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:51.520
<v Speaker 1>come along?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was just like, because it's such a

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<v Speaker 2>big family, I used to like to get quiet time

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<v Speaker 2>away from everybody, and there was nothing really on television

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, so I used to hide in books.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wasn't all sociable as well. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I just like reading.

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<v Speaker 1>And are you're still a reader today?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm addict.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be reading a book every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are you reading now?

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<v Speaker 2>Right at this moment, I'm reading? Oh gosh, so I

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<v Speaker 2>keep forgetting them. That's all a lot. I'm reading a

0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Lucy Fowley book. I love. It's like light crime stuff tomorrow.

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I like The Midnight Feast by Lucy Fowley.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, and we were her first book. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Beatles cover long. You buy the guitar with two strings

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<v Speaker 1>for fifty peens, then what's the next step?

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<v Speaker 2>I got really good at My brother used to bring

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<v Speaker 2>his mates around to watch me play the Beatles melodies

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<v Speaker 2>on these two strings. Of course, they loved it. So

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<v Speaker 2>my brother eventually gave me enough money to go and

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<v Speaker 2>buy an eight six string guitar, like a proper guitar,

0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:40.080
<v Speaker 2>which was at eight pounds, which was about twelve dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I started really taking it seriously and

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<v Speaker 2>started learning chords, learning all the Beatles songs. Then eventually

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<v Speaker 2>some salts when Tamla Motow and stuff all sold, stuff

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, and then when the Cream came out,

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.439
<v Speaker 2>I got really serious. Then that's when I bought an

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<v Speaker 2>electric guitar Fender and started by taking it really seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you say you're learning these Beatles songs, do

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<v Speaker 1>you own the records or you just hearing them on

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<v Speaker 1>the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when we brother used to love the Beatles as well,

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<v Speaker 2>so he used to give me the money to go

0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and buy the Beatles records and we listened to them together,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when he was at work, I'd like sit

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<v Speaker 2>down and learn the cords.

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<v Speaker 1>And how many records did you? Did you own a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of records or was money limited?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Money was very limited, very scarce, sort of sort

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<v Speaker 2>of limited to each Beatle single. Every time an album

0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:59.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Beatles came out, we'd have that. I bought

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<v Speaker 2>Stone albums, so it's mainly the top three, the Stones,

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Beatles and Kinks. And then eventually when I when I

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 2>went to work, I loved the Mothers of Invention and

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:21.000
<v Speaker 2>bought their stuff. Then the Cream came along, Hendrix and

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<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth. Then Miss Sister used to like

0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Jerry and the Pacemakers, those kind of bands swinging blue jeans,

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Billy J. Kramer.

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<v Speaker 1>So you say you were really influenced by Queen? How

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<v Speaker 1>did your first year a Queen?

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<v Speaker 2>Funnily enough, there was a poster right opposite where I

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<v Speaker 2>used to live saying the new supergroup from Eric Clapton,

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<v Speaker 2>because Eric Clapton is from John Male's Blues Breakers, And

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<v Speaker 2>there was this big post saying it's like the first

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<v Speaker 2>time I'd ever heard the the expression of supergroup. And

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<v Speaker 2>they had Eric Clapton, who heard of Jack Bruce, who

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't heard of, Ginger Baker, who had never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of and they were playing at one of the local gigs.

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.119
<v Speaker 2>So I went to see him and I just loved it,

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<v Speaker 2>love what I was hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>So did you buy the album Fresh Queen?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, what are some of your favorite songs? On

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:27.760
<v Speaker 1>that album. If you remember Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>God, Sunshine of Your Lovers on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that was on the second first one was I

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<v Speaker 1>Feel Free a NSU.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel Free of that because that there, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a single in England, they were on top of

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the pops. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you knew clapt In from the Bluesbreakers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from John Miles Bluesbreakers, which is I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>my first band. It was a mixture of John Myles,

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<v Speaker 2>was the Blues Breakers, songs, Beat All Stones, Eddie flyd

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Sam and Dave, just a mixture of everything that was

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 2>going on at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So you heard Queen and you started taking it seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>What did that look like?

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 2>It meant buying a better guitar, which is what I did.

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I bought himself a Fender tally Cast and started really

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:33.960
<v Speaker 2>getting down to it, proper amp and just really taking

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<v Speaker 2>everything seriously and desperately wanting to turn professional and do

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 2>that for a living.

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<v Speaker 1>And what did you what was your first ear?

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 2>It was a bird golden eagle and I've never seen

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 2>one since, and I've never heard of one since.

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<v Speaker 1>I never heard of that. And where did you get

0:25:56.119 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>the money for the stratocaster in the air with the telecaster.

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.439
<v Speaker 2>From the money I saved up from work going to work,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think my mom helped me out with some

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 2>of her savings. And from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you have the telecaster, you had the you're

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.440
<v Speaker 1>working on it. What is the next step, You try

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 1>to form the band?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was in the band. The first band was

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 2>called the Rooms, which is after some science fiction person.

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember his name. There it was a book

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:37.159
<v Speaker 2>by It's a book called The Rooms science fiction. We

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 2>took the name from that, and then eventually we changed

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 2>the name. The drummer and the bass player left, so

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 2>it got formed another band and call that the Rare Breed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, you got your fifty pence guitar, your brother

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>buys you a better guitar. Where along the line do

0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you form a band?

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen sixty five, Oh, I bought at Huffma, Colorado. That

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 2>was my first electric guitar and it was like, I

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>think it's about thirty dollars or something. That was my

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 2>first real guitar that you could plug in. And so

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty five, who formed the best mate from school?

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 2>It was band called the Rooms. Then the drummer left.

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Basically left.

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<v Speaker 1>So where where you formed that band? Where did you rehearse?

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.679
<v Speaker 2>There was this a school hall that we used to

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.880
<v Speaker 2>rehearse at the local school hall.

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<v Speaker 1>And then did you have any kids?

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>We've got one of this girl that fancied me had

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>a birthday party and she wanted us to play at

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>her birthday party. So that was that was very for

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 2>the ski. I think we were all about sixteen at

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the time.

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 1>And did you have any peeing gigs with this band?

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>And how often did you play?

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I get paid? I think eventually we did, but we

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>get like, I think five ten pounds at the most,

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>just enough to put petrol in the car to get there.

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh and how often would you play?

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Just weekends at that particular time because we all had jobs.

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the two members of the band quit and

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>then the next step is.

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Got another a singer, and we started doing more heavier

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>stuff like the cream and stuff like that. When we

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>became the rare Breed and we started building up a

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 2>bit of a following, and I really wanted to I

0:28:54.160 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>hated going to work, couldn't stand it. Eventually fired from

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 2>work for turning up at four o'clock in the afternoon,

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and I just says, that's him. I'm just going to

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>lost my job, so I'm just going to do this

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 2>professionally or as much as I could do. And the

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 2>rest of the band didn't want to do it professionally.

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So the singer got a job on a ship going

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>to Australia. So who he left And that's when I

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>got into Ozzie And that's when Ozzie joined the band.

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 1>So how did you know Arsie? How did you meet ars.

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I used to see him. He used to be a

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>skinhead and he used to go to all the salt clubs.

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 2>There was two major clubs in Bermiham at the time

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 2>and used to have all these all nighters. There was

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>the salt place called Midnight City. I used to have

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 2>all the salt bends. I'm not mid Gino Washington people

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>like that. And then there's the surf side, the Penthouse,

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 2>which is the blues people with long hair used to go.

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>That's where I used to go. And then every Sunday

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 2>they used to finish at about five o'clock of a

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Sunday morning both places, and I'd see I was walking

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 2>at home on one side of the road and I'd

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>be on the other side. Never the twain should meet

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 2>because he was the skinhead and hippie. And then when

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>we were looking for a singer for the Rare Breed,

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I went to the local music shop to see if

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 2>they knew any singers, and I saw this advert saying

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Ossy Zig needs a gig and he had his address

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>on it large road, which was right around the corner

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 2>from where I lived. So I thought that looks promising.

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 2>So I went round to his house, not knowing that

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 2>it was the uh, the skinhead that I used to see.

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>And his sister said, I was not in at the

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>moment watching your address. I said Victoria Road and she said,

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 2>that's only two streets away. I'll be he'll come rent

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>tonight when he comes home. So then that night there

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 2>was a knock on the door. My brother went to

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 2>open the door. He came. My brother came and said, hey,

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>there's there's something at the door for you. I said,

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean something?

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>It is?

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>You'll see when I went to see who it was,

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and there was Ossie Skinhead with his dad's work gown on,

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>chimney brush over his shoulder, a sneaker on, a dog leash,

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 2>and no shoes on. And I said, yeah, what do

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>you want? She is on Ossie the singer. I said,

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 2>what kind of stuff are you into? And this is

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 2>whatever you're into, I mean and and he says, and

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I've got my MPa and you're in. And that was it.

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, certainly those of us were fans aware of Assi,

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>but Ozzie had his MTV show. You know, we see

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>different sizes of Assie. Some level, he's like a cartoon,

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>but there's an artistic sense inside when you meet him

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>back then, what is ours like.

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>A complete lunatic. It just got out of prison and

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>he was up for anything. He'd do anything for a

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>laugh or it been to anything, and it was just

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>really great to get on with, great to be around.

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>He lasted two gigs in the Radberry and he says,

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 2>this isn't for me. I own to sing this stuff.

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>So he left and I'll just say to the rest

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 2>of the band, okay, I'm leaving as well. So eventually

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 2>me and Ozzie got together and we were looking for

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>a drummer.

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Right wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait a

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit slower. So you do the two gigs with Ozzie.

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>You're playing blues Insvilo and stuff you're playing? What are

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you actually playing that he doesn't agree with.

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>He liked what we were doing, but we weren't very good.

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>He thought, you know, that he could do better. He

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't like the fact that the guitarist and the bass

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 2>player didn't want to know about going professional.

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>And why did Ozzie have his own pa?

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you know? I've absolutely no idea. I think he

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 2>must have been in a band before I knew him.

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so he leaves the band. You leave the band.

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>You don't have your job as an accountant anymore. What

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>gone to your head.

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 2>That I need to make some money somehow? And somewhere

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 2>at the time I was getting I was on benefits,

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>getting doll like every week, which only lasted six weeks

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>in those days, and then they'd throw you off. So

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.720
<v Speaker 2>I just I was desperate to find get some money.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.879
<v Speaker 2>And I got a little bit saved up, which kept

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 2>me afloat for a while. And me and obviously got together,

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 2>and he had he'd got a band together with this

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>rhythm guitarist who used to play slide slide guitar and

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 2>this bass plan so the bass player, this black kid

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 2>on bass. So I said, okay, let's have a go,

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 2>and the Black kids said, I don't be in this band,

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>so I'm leaving. So I said, okay, I'll switch to

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>bass then, and that's how we got together, and then

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>we needed a drama.

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Well where before you get to the drummer? How did

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>you learn how to play bass?

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I just picked it up. I think a lot of

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>it was from when I when I had my first

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>two string guitar and I used to play the melodies

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>just on the two strings, So I got used to

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 2>playing melodies on just melodies on strings. So when I

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 2>got the bass, it sort of lent itself to that

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the way you know, the two strings thing became a

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 2>four string thing, and I went from there.

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you the type of prits on? People are

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>a musical They can pick up any instrument play. Other

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 1>people have to really work at it. Where are you

0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>on the spectrum?

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Bass? Is like I was born into play bass. I

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>just knew what to do since I picked the base up.

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>And did you ever take any lessons?

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Nope, nope, nobody took lessons about them.

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So you've got as you need a drummer, So tell

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>me about getting the drummer.

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, Tony Iomi and Bill Ward had just been busted.

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 2>They had a band up in the north of England

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 2>in Carlisle. They'd been busted for drugs and they were

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 2>back home in Birmingham, and they just so happened to

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 2>live literally two streets away from where I lived. And

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.839
<v Speaker 2>so Ozzie knew Tony used to go to school with him,

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 2>and Ozzie said, told me about Tony and Bill being

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 2>busted and coming back home to Aston in Birmingham, and

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>he says, let's go and see if if Bill if

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Tony can give us the address of Bill Ward, the drummer.

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 2>So we went around to Tony's house and it just

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:13.240
<v Speaker 2>so happened Bill was there. We said, speak to Bill Ward.

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Billboard came out and he says, yeah, what do you want.

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 2>He says, we're looking for a drummer for our band.

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.279
<v Speaker 2>And he says, what kind of stuff you're doing? This

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>is cream Hendrix, that kind of thing, blues, a lot

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>of blues stuff, and he says, we all give it

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>a go, but on one condition, Tony Iomi comes with

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:37.240
<v Speaker 2>me and we went okay, and that's the way we've formed.

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>And what happened to the original guitarist.

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>We did a gig with We went back up north

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>to where Tony and Bill had built up the reputation,

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>but we couldn't use We couldn't let them know that

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 2>it was Tony and Bill. The police would have arrested them.

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 2>So we just made up a name of the for

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 2>a band, and we called it the Polka Talk Blues Band,

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and we went back up to Carlisle and did two gigs.

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>The rhythm guitarists, I mean, the slide guitarist just didn't

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.879
<v Speaker 2>fit in whatsoever. He kept playing the slide guitar over

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 2>absolutely everything that we were doing. And we had a

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 2>sax player as well. I forgot about him, and he

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 2>used to keep The only thing he knew how to

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 2>play was Take five by what's his name, Dave brew Becker.

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.879
<v Speaker 2>So every time he came to a sax alo, he'd

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 2>played Take five. So we knew that wasn't going to last.

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 2>So we got back to birmiham Tony m He says,

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm not playing with them too, they're out the band.

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.359
<v Speaker 2>So he says, yeah, okay, fine, So that the four

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 2>of us got together. I played them I quite a

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 2>few records blue stuff, and I said this is what

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 2>we should be playing, and John Mail all this blue stuff,

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>bb King, Albert King, all that kind of muddy waters,

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Howling Wolf say let's play this stuff, and I tell

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 2>you and yes it's good, sounds good, but we need

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 2>another name. So we changed the name to Earth. Billboard

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 2>came up with the name Earth and became a blues band.

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 2>And what do you do for gigs? We used to

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 2>go still go back up north of Scotland and Carlisle

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 2>play all these really really rough places. You used to

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 2>have to dodge the bottles and everything every night and

0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 2>be careful that somebody didn't break your arm. And we

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 2>built up a really big following up there. And we

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 2>came back to Birmingham and there's this guy in Birmingham

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>called Jim Simpson and he used to manage a lot

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>of the Birmingham bands and he had this club called

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Henry's Blues House and it was in a pub in

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>the middle of Birmingham and we just we said, let's

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 2>go an audition for Jim Simpson, so if he's interested

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 2>in getting us gigs, because he was quite a big

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 2>night it was nim around Birmingham and we auditioned for him.

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 2>This is yeah, you can play here every week at

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Blues House and I'll get you some gigs. So he

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:47.840
<v Speaker 2>used to get us like all these little club gigs

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 2>around around England and eventually we built up a big following.

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Then why do you think you built up there far?

0:40:57.480 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>What was special about the Beard?

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Because we were good. We were really good Ozzie singing

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Tommy and we're one of the best guitarists ever, Bill

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Ward one of the best drummers ever, and me on

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>bass one of the worst bass players. It just worked.

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:20.720
<v Speaker 2>We were really good.

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>And at what point do you start writing original macterial.

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 2>We got booked at this place in Derbyshire and we

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:33.800
<v Speaker 2>turned up and everybody was like in like wedding again,

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 2>wedding attire suits and the women had these long dresses on. God,

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:44.320
<v Speaker 2>this is a strange gig. So we started playing and

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the promoter came out, what are you doing? What are

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 2>you playing that stuff for? This is what you mean?

0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 2>She plays played some of your singles. I mean, we

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:57.320
<v Speaker 2>haven't got any singles. And it was a completely different

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 2>earth it was. It was a total band that used

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>to play weddings and stuff. So we got booked the

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 2>wrong place, so we just says, right, that's it. We've

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 2>got to start writing our own stuff. And like we

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>just you know, we can't keep playing these same places

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 2>all the time getting mis booked. And so that's when

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 2>we used to play this place in Literfield in just

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 2>outside Birmiham called the Pokey Hole Club and it was

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:36.319
<v Speaker 2>the Blues Club. And the morning of the gig, we

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 2>wrote the song Black Sabbath and we said, we did

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:47.399
<v Speaker 2>the usual gig that night and two like people were

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>used to hearing, you know, the usual twelve bar blue stuff,

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 2>and we just said, I said, let's do that song

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>that we wrote today, and so we tried it and

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the crowd went absolutely mental and we realized that, you know,

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 2>we were on the right track. So what hey to,

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.240
<v Speaker 2>what we were doing was good enough to keep writing,

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.919
<v Speaker 2>and that was it. Never looked back.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>How did you literally write there are four guys in

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>a room. How did it come to be?

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 2>We used to have this rehearsal room swimming baths in

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Aston and it was owned by the council and so

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 2>from nine o'clock to twelve o'clock before the swimming baths opened,

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:42.439
<v Speaker 2>the dlarrus rehearsing there for free. And this one day,

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I just bought this that LP called the Holts this

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Planet Suite, and I loved the Mars that was on it.

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.360
<v Speaker 2>When we were rehearsing, I was playing that on the

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 2>base and Tony went, oh, that sounds good and he

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 2>goes down. That's that's how Black Sabbath came about the song.

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 1>And Okay, at this point, was the being still called

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Black Earth or was it now Black Saba.

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Because that song went down so well, which was called

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Black Sabbath because we've been mistaken for the other Earth,

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.959
<v Speaker 2>I said, let's just let's just call the band Black

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Sabbath then. So that's what happened.

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you wrote that song, you got a good response.

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 1>How did you end up breaking the rest of the songs?

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, that gave us the confidence to start writing, and

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 2>we still hated to do these really crap gigs. It

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 2>was one in Switzerland that we had to play for

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 2>two weeks and we had to do like eight forty

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>five minutes spots every day, but we only had enough

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 2>material for one hour. So the only thing we could

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 2>do is start writing our own stuff to fill in

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 2>the time. And we used to play at the Star

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Club in Hamburg, which is the same kind of thing.

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 2>You'd have to play eight forty five minute spots. So

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 2>to fill in all the time, we used to write

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 2>our own stuff, use it as writing because there's never

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 2>any audience the place. In Switzerland, I think we've got

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 2>two people in every day, and Hamburg, you Star club

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 2>in Hamburg, you'd only get people in of the weekend

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 2>when there was a headliner that act on. The people knew,

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:45.880
<v Speaker 2>so we had all this time to ourselves, but we

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.720
<v Speaker 2>still had to play. So we used to just jam

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and eventually write most of the first album most of

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the second album.

0:45:55.840 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're saying you're playing in these clubs it's today,

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and literally nobody.

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Is there, Nobody whatsoever was maybe the one in Zurich

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 2>was a couple of prostitutes and an occasional lunatic would

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>come in and do these really stupid things to try

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 2>and put us off playing. I mean, one guy used

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.720
<v Speaker 2>to stand on his head in front of the stage

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 2>while we were playing. Another guy came in playing a

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 2>flute all the way through our set, just things like

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 2>and another guy came in clapping and laughing all the

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 2>way through our set. And that's only get two prostitutes

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 2>and three lunatics.

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, why were these clubs ping you at all if

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:47.280
<v Speaker 1>there was no one there?

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, the guy the one in Switzerland, he was nuts.

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 2>He thought he was a doctor, the guy that owned it,

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 2>and he used to have to call him doctor and

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 2>completely mental. He used to come in with his doctor's bag,

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 2>nothing in it. And it was quite a big club,

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 2>but we had to play opposite the bar. He wouldn't

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>let us plan on the stage. So yeah, it's just

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 2>like these Star club used to play. I mean we'd

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:24.240
<v Speaker 2>only get like ten quid a week, which is nothing,

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe twenty pounds a week, which is like thirty dollars

0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>a week. But we didn't have any money, so we'd

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>do anything to you know, you'd have to survive.

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 1>So what late lessons did you learn in Zurich and

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>at the Star Club? And we read all about the

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Beatles and the people they met in town and drugs

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and women. What was it late for you guys? Well?

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Very garcity of women. The Star Club was okay because

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>that was like on the Big Barn, which was there

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 2>all prostitutes and brothels and h gay bars. Everything was there,

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and any kind of life was there. And I used

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:25.319
<v Speaker 2>to get like transvest i to grapy beards. We're being

0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 2>the club next door to ours, and it used to

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 2>be you just suddenly went from a very closed Irish

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Catholic upbringing just seeing all kinds of things going on.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Because there was no money and I was a vegetarian.

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:51.319
<v Speaker 2>I practically staff to death. Only had I only ever

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.760
<v Speaker 2>could do once a week and that was usually fries

0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 2>pomfrets is the gall and then so yeah, it was

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 2>tough going. But what we realized, if we could survive that,

0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:10.840
<v Speaker 2>then we could survive anything that was like the lowest

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:14.320
<v Speaker 2>of the low that you could get, and anything.

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 1>Else was like heaven. Okay, so you left Hamburg, you

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:23.880
<v Speaker 1>came back to Birmingham. What was the next step after that?

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, just at that particular time, just before we went

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:35.320
<v Speaker 2>to the Germany, we'd recorded the first album.

0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 1>When you went to Zurich, Did you have a record deal?

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Not at that particular time, but between Zurich because we

0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 2>played Hamburg three times the Star Club, So we did

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Zurich and when we can't got back to England, the

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 2>manager had got us a record deal and we literally

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 2>went into the studio for one day. Did the album

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>that we'd sort of perfected while we were in Zurich

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and then straight back to Germany to the Star Club.

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, was this the scene manager who was booking the gigs.

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the ones where it's a you can get

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 2>the when you do the gig, they'll give you the

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 2>money on the night, and then you go and get

0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the money and go to try and get the money,

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 2>and I know we sent it to your manager. So

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:36.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like we were literally when we got to Zurich,

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:41.239
<v Speaker 2>we were starving. We went to try and get the

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:44.839
<v Speaker 2>money off this bloody lunatic doctor and it's oh no,

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:48.760
<v Speaker 2>it's sent it to your manager. So we didn't have anything,

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.960
<v Speaker 2>any money. We had to borrow some money off these

0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 2>prostitutes to try and get some food. Uh yeah, that's

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:00.120
<v Speaker 2>the way.

0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Was Okay, So was this your big dream to get

0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 1>a record deal? Did you think you were going to

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>be successful?

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, that's what you're in a band for, to

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 2>go a record deal. That's like the pinnacle of your

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 2>all you could ever hope for. And we didn't know

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 2>anything about record deals. We didn't know. We didn't know

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:25.239
<v Speaker 2>you got paid to upfront or things like our We

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't know anything about publishing. You didn't. We didn't realize

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 2>you got paid for writing songs. We were totally green,

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 2>real ultra thicicos, and we were just happy to go

0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>in the studio and be able to listen to what

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 2>we were doing for the first time in our lives.

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 2>And we were only in the studio for two days.

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you were in the studio the record was cut.

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.359
<v Speaker 1>When you heard the record, were you happy with the record?

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I loved it, Yeah, But we didn't hear it until

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 2>the week before it came out, so we didn't have

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 2>a clue it was going to sound like. The only

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:05.439
<v Speaker 2>thing that we heard was there was a single called

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Evil Woman on it, and that's the only thing that

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:11.440
<v Speaker 2>we heard before the album. We never heard the album.

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:14.959
<v Speaker 2>We heard the single and literally not until a week

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.360
<v Speaker 2>before the album was released.

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:23.359
<v Speaker 1>And the album comes out. How long does it take

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 1>do you realize it's catching.

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Har It went in the charts straight away. We did.

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 2>We were going up to it. We had a gig

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.920
<v Speaker 2>in Manchester and we were in the van going up

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:41.880
<v Speaker 2>to this gig and there used to be there used

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 2>to be a countdown of the album charts every Saturday

0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that count down the top thirty albums on the radio,

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and we always used to listen to the album charts

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and we had the radio on in the van and

0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:04.799
<v Speaker 2>the guy at number twenty seven what we couldn't believe it.

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 2>We nearly crashed the van and we're all like celebrating

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 2>in the van. We never thought it was going to.

0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Be what was driving adoption? How did people know about

0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 1>it to buy it?

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Because of the we built up this whole following around

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:27.399
<v Speaker 2>England and we didn't realize how loyle these fans were

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.359
<v Speaker 2>going to be. You know, it's one thing building up

0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.840
<v Speaker 2>people coming to see you in clubs, and it's another

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 2>thing for those people to go and actually buy your album.

0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:40.399
<v Speaker 2>And of course we used to say, you know, after

0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:45.279
<v Speaker 2>all the gig gigs we we do, so this is

0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 2>from our new album which will be out in February,

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:52.799
<v Speaker 2>and you don't really think anything much of it, and

0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 2>then eventually people take notice of what you're saying and

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 2>they went out and bought it.

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:05.959
<v Speaker 1>Okay, the first black sat with the album. At that time.

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 1>In terms of heavy hard rock music, Zeppelin was about

0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 1>at the extreme and then Sabbath comes out and it's

0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 1>heavier than that. Were you conscious of the fact that

0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:23.359
<v Speaker 1>the music got a certainly heavy quality. Were you just saying, hey,

0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:24.439
<v Speaker 1>this is just what we're doing.

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:27.359
<v Speaker 2>It was just what we were doing. I mean we

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 2>were obviously we were aware of led Zeppelin because they

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 2>were from to Plenty and Bonham were from Birmiham, just

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:37.279
<v Speaker 2>outside Bermiam, and we knew them. We used to see

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 2>him at the clubs all the time, and so you

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 2>know that gave us confidence when we heard the first

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Zeppelin album that what we were doing could be successful

0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:53.760
<v Speaker 2>as well. And we didn't think, oh, let's get heavier

0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:56.719
<v Speaker 2>than led Zeppelin or anything like that. It was just

0:54:56.800 --> 0:55:00.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the fact was Tony's. A lot of

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:04.520
<v Speaker 2>it was down to Tony's having to wear thimbles on

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:08.320
<v Speaker 2>his fingers because he had two of the ends of

0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.359
<v Speaker 2>his fingers were cut off, so he had to wear

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:16.760
<v Speaker 2>these thimbles, and eventually he had to tune the guitar

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:21.960
<v Speaker 2>down so he could feel the strings through the thimbles.

0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:25.439
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't because if he kept it up to pitch, he'd

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 2>play with these thimbles and it had knocked the thimbles

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:30.240
<v Speaker 2>off and he couldn't play. So he tuned the guitar

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 2>down three semitones and that let him get more grip

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:41.600
<v Speaker 2>on the strings, and that's how the whole sound came about.

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're driving in the band to Liverpool. You

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:50.880
<v Speaker 1>hear the album's number twenty seven. What changes.

0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Not a lot at that time, because it was still

0:55:55.280 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 2>getting like thirty dollars a night. We'd been booked for

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:03.840
<v Speaker 2>them solidly for six months. It didn't matter that the

0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 2>album was in the charts. We were still like getting

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars a night. But it gave us the confidence

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 2>to realize that what we were doing, we were on

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the right path. And more importantly, the record company wanted

0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:25.799
<v Speaker 2>it wanted to give us a follow up deal, and

0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:30.279
<v Speaker 2>by the success of the first album, we were able

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 2>to record a second album. So that's the main thing

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 2>about it.

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the first album comes out, you're not starting

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to play larger rules, you're not making any more money.

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:48.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like nothing has changed.

0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Not live now, because you know, we were contracted for

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:59.879
<v Speaker 2>like six months worth of gigs before the album came out,

0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 2>so it's like for pittance every night. But we were

0:57:04.200 --> 0:57:07.200
<v Speaker 2>just happy to play and build up the following and

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 2>eventually the venues were getting bigger, and promoters would say, Okay,

0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 2>we're going to put them in a bigger venue and

0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:18.880
<v Speaker 2>give them more money. And that's the way we just

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:20.000
<v Speaker 2>built it all up.

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 1>And we're along the line. You recorded the second album.

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I think it was gosh, we were given five days

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to do the second album, so I think it must

0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 2>have been about May. I think May of nineteen seventy

0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:49.479
<v Speaker 1>And where did those songs come from from?

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Mainly from jamming. We had a lot of it from

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:59.480
<v Speaker 2>the long sessions that we had to play at the

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:04.760
<v Speaker 2>start and Zurich, so things like war Pigs. We already

0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 2>had written for the second album and just jamming, just

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:16.120
<v Speaker 2>rehearsing and coming up with new songs. We had everything

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 2>written except for Paranoid.

0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:20.080
<v Speaker 1>And how do you read panoid?

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 2>By accident? It was we went in to record the

0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>second album and the producer said, you've got to come

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 2>up with another three minutes. Because in those days, an

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:37.120
<v Speaker 2>album wasn't class as an album unless it was I

0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:39.720
<v Speaker 2>think it was over forty minutes or something. You had

0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.720
<v Speaker 2>to have forty minutes worth of material for it to

0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:48.280
<v Speaker 2>be classed as an LP. And this is just short

0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 2>of like three minutes, you've got to come up with

0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 2>something quick. So we're mean, I think me and Ozzie

0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 2>and Bill went out to get a sandwich. We came

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.160
<v Speaker 2>back in and Tony. Tony had come up with the

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:06.240
<v Speaker 2>riff to Paranoid. Oh that's that's good. And as he

0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:09.280
<v Speaker 2>came up with the vocal lines straight away, I scribbled

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 2>down the lyrics and we wrote and recorded it in

0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:15.520
<v Speaker 2>about two or three hours.

0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, how did you end up writing the lyrics for

0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the sots?

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:28.520
<v Speaker 2>As he hated writing lyrics so and I mean, if

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:31.000
<v Speaker 2>you ever hear some of the rough demos of stuff,

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.960
<v Speaker 2>his lyrics left Quorral a lot to be desired, and

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 2>he didn't in those days. He didn't have the patience

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 2>to finish off. He come up with his one line

0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:43.800
<v Speaker 2>that'd be a good, really good idea, but he'd never

0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:47.800
<v Speaker 2>finish it up. So he's left to me to finish

0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:51.360
<v Speaker 2>everything or come up with something from scratch.

0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, like you're talking about Paranoid, the whole thing was done.

0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Did you literally just say, okay, I'm going to scribble

0:59:58.200 --> 0:59:59.160
<v Speaker 1>down lyrics And it was the.

0:59:59.280 --> 1:00:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Easy Yeah, wrote them down, showed them to as he

1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:07.840
<v Speaker 2>he literally was reading them as he was singing, singing

1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the song in the studio anyway, but does mean anyway?

1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I explained what paranoid meant and he was all okay

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:22.640
<v Speaker 2>with it.

1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:25.240
<v Speaker 1>But since you wrote a lot of the lyrics, what

1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:28.120
<v Speaker 1>was your process? And you scribbled them down? But other

1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:30.280
<v Speaker 1>times you'd go home and think about it. How did

1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you do it?

1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Well? I had to wait for Arsie to come up

1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:38.240
<v Speaker 2>with the vocal melody. He'd always come up with a

1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:44.000
<v Speaker 2>vocal melody and then maybe either on the spot or

1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:48.880
<v Speaker 2>when I'm at home. We didn't have anything to record

1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:52.320
<v Speaker 2>things on back then, so he used to have to

1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:55.680
<v Speaker 2>stick in my mind his vocal melody, and then I'd

1:00:55.680 --> 1:00:59.120
<v Speaker 2>write the lyrics to what I thought was the vocal melody,

1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:02.360
<v Speaker 2>and then he say, no, that's too many words there,

1:01:02.440 --> 1:01:06.000
<v Speaker 2>so I'd have to change that. Too many syllables on that,

1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:09.320
<v Speaker 2>so I'd have to change the syllables. And that's the

1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:13.840
<v Speaker 2>way we worked. But you go home with the melody

1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:16.160
<v Speaker 2>in your mind. How long does it take to write

1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:21.120
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics? Well, in those days, straight away, because I

1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:28.160
<v Speaker 2>was young and the world was my eyester. I just

1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:30.880
<v Speaker 2>had lots of ideas and there was lots of things

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<v Speaker 2>going on in the world that were new to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And the one thing I wouldn't do is write the

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<v Speaker 2>usual love song I just broke up with my girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. It had to be something, uh, political

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<v Speaker 2>or mental depression, anything like that, anti religion.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have any idea when you recorded there we

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<v Speaker 1>wrote up that Iron Man and Paranoid I would become

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<v Speaker 1>such classics.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you never do, because it was like the second album.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know whether it's going to be a total

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<v Speaker 2>flop or do better than the first album. And it

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<v Speaker 2>just really took off. I mean, Paramoid was like the

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<v Speaker 2>first proper single that we'd written as a single and

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<v Speaker 2>it just took off in England.

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<v Speaker 1>Mental So since you played off the gigs had been

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<v Speaker 1>booked before the first album came out. Second album comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>how does your life change?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, by that time we were getting other managed, other

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<v Speaker 2>managers coming in saying, look, if you keep it, if

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<v Speaker 2>you keep this guy that you've got managing, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to go anywhere. The guy just doesn't know how

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<v Speaker 2>to manage it. Professor, a successful band, you're always going

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<v Speaker 2>to be like on the roaming around England trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get giegs, and we said that to our manager, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's still capable of managing us, and yeah, I've just

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<v Speaker 2>booked you an American tour, so oh that's good. Great,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got you a deal in America for your albums,

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<v Speaker 2>and which turned out to be like one of the

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<v Speaker 2>worst deals of all time. I think two weeks before

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<v Speaker 2>we're supposed to go to America, he said, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>big anti satanic thing going on in America, so I've

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<v Speaker 2>canceled your tour. We found out that it never He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize you had to have visas to get to

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<v Speaker 2>work in America. So the guy was like hopeless, and

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<v Speaker 2>so all these other managers piled in then trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get us to sign with them, which eventually we did.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, a couple of things, especially the first album, but

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<v Speaker 1>all of the early albums get literally terrible reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you care about that or just say they're not right? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the first album, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>We read that. You know, you always have to read

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<v Speaker 2>your review just to make sure that people knew that

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<v Speaker 2>your album was out. And I always remember this one

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<v Speaker 2>review saying this is like people that can't play their

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<v Speaker 2>instruments can't write lyrics. Trying to be a third rate

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<v Speaker 2>cream and the guy couldn't even lick Eric Clapton's boots

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<v Speaker 2>their guitar. It was like the worst review you could,

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<v Speaker 2>really bad personal stuff, and and most of the reviews

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<v Speaker 2>were like that. The Rolling Stone review is the same,

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<v Speaker 2>say how awfully arts and everything. But we didn't care

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<v Speaker 2>because we've been through the stuff that we've been through

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<v Speaker 2>to get to do those albums. We didn't care what

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<v Speaker 2>anybody thought about us because as long as we we

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<v Speaker 2>survived what we survived, and you know, you could we

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<v Speaker 2>were Uh, you couldn't bring us down.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you end up making a deal with Donald?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was one of the he's He sent up

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<v Speaker 2>one of his heavies to Birmingham. It came up in

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<v Speaker 2>a rolls Rice and Don had this big reputation at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. He was I think he was managing the

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<v Speaker 2>small faces, Roger Stewart and all those kind of people.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, Don Arden wants to meet you. Who's

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<v Speaker 2>Don Arden? You know he told us who was managing

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<v Speaker 2>and everything is really this guy that you've got now

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<v Speaker 2>can't manager. So took us down to London, picked us

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<v Speaker 2>up in his rolls Rice in London. He's heavy and

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<v Speaker 2>sat down with Don He said, told us exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>we should be doing, how much we should be getting,

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<v Speaker 2>how all kinds of things like everything that you'd want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear, and how it's going to make us massive

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<v Speaker 2>worldwide touring band sold millions of albums so that sounds great,

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<v Speaker 2>and he went, okay, sign this then what sign this

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<v Speaker 2>paper to say that you're I'm your manager, And well,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to think about it first. You are to

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<v Speaker 2>sign now with the duels off the table and said,

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<v Speaker 2>well you can't sign now how much commission you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get and we'll talk about that later after you've

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<v Speaker 2>signed the thing. So we just went, well, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see somebody else, so we left. We went to Chrystalis,

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<v Speaker 2>who managed ten years after in Jeth Roads All and

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<v Speaker 2>they were really interested. The fixed up a gig for

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<v Speaker 2>us at the Marquee Club in London, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>the big club that he in London to play at,

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<v Speaker 2>and people from Chrystalis came to see us and as

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<v Speaker 2>we started playing incomes Don Arden with all his heavies

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, and we go oh no and missus, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't, we can't sign with him and he says,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to sign me Chrystalis, and god knows what

1:08:00.840 --> 1:08:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Don Harden said to Chrystalis, but they went, sorry, we

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<v Speaker 2>can't sign we can't sign you.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Been got at. So a couple of weeks later, his

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<v Speaker 2>body is heavy. It comes to see us. This is

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<v Speaker 2>I've left Don Arden and with this other guy called

1:08:19.680 --> 1:08:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Patrick Muon there and he's great. He's a young guy,

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<v Speaker 2>he can do like everything. He's not going to rip

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<v Speaker 2>you off for anything. We didn't know that the the

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<v Speaker 2>heavy guy was like one of the biggest criminals in

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<v Speaker 2>England and eventually he was the only Englishman to ever

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<v Speaker 2>join the mafia. And so we went to see Patrick Moune.

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<v Speaker 2>He promised us to the earth, got us out that

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Simpson contract and took us to America and everything

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<v Speaker 2>went great after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so told me about the first tour of an Aerica.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we started off because we've been doing quite well

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<v Speaker 2>because Paranoid just such a big hit in England. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been playing like the big theaters and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and some outdoor festivals, so everything was coming up in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. We got to America, we had to play

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<v Speaker 2>this tiny little club on Staten Island. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>the houses. We were always like to think America, America,

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<v Speaker 2>Madison Square Garden. And here we were in this tiny, little,

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<v Speaker 2>horrible little club on Staten Island called Anganos. But the

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<v Speaker 2>night before that, we'd played this university end of term

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<v Speaker 2>gig in New Jersey. We plugged all our gear in,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course all our gear blew up because we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know the American electricity. It was different from me

1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:04.160
<v Speaker 2>English electricity. Everything was blowing up, blown to bits. So

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<v Speaker 2>our very first appearance in America lasted about five seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>So we end up at this tiny little club Staten Island,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we're signed to that manager, the new manager.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell's this come?

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<v Speaker 1>All the way here?

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<v Speaker 2>You're blown up. America's supposed to be all this great,

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<v Speaker 2>big place and everything. We're going to be really successful.

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<v Speaker 2>We're playing this little club and this is yes. But

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<v Speaker 2>everybody in the club are all the top agents and

1:10:34.240 --> 1:10:40.880
<v Speaker 2>promoters in America. I mean, we did the gig and

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly all the whole of America opened up for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you remember who the agent was that you signed with?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I can't remember it now. I can't remember

1:10:55.240 --> 1:10:56.560
<v Speaker 2>off the top of my head.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it was one of the big ones. So now

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<v Speaker 1>you have success across America, you have success in England.

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<v Speaker 1>Things are finally kind of working or there are still

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<v Speaker 1>any spots where there are holes in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything was incredible, more than you could ever imagine. America

1:11:21.479 --> 1:11:25.920
<v Speaker 2>had taken us. You know, I loved us and that's

1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the pinnacle of success. It's like, because all you've ever

1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:34.639
<v Speaker 2>heard it since we started was, you know, you nobody

1:11:34.720 --> 1:11:37.360
<v Speaker 2>unless you make it in America. Everybody used to say

1:11:37.360 --> 1:11:39.200
<v Speaker 2>that to us. No matter what you're do in England,

1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:43.840
<v Speaker 2>if you're not big in America, you're nothing. And we

1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:49.120
<v Speaker 2>were big in America, and it's like it's sort of

1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:56.200
<v Speaker 2>pinch yourself kind of thing. It didn't seem real. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the hard work began. It was like, because we

1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:03.840
<v Speaker 2>had to do we were in Europe, do America just

1:12:03.880 --> 1:12:10.479
<v Speaker 2>took months to you just spend all the time either

1:12:10.560 --> 1:12:14.840
<v Speaker 2>on the road or writing or in the studio. As

1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:16.800
<v Speaker 2>soon as you're finished in the studio, you're back on

1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the road and then you'd be over to the States

1:12:19.760 --> 1:12:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and keep building euro Upe in America, keep at tour

1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:28.720
<v Speaker 2>after two after two, and it was great until we

1:12:28.960 --> 1:12:36.240
<v Speaker 2>sort of wondered where our money was. And it was

1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:40.960
<v Speaker 2>not until what the mid seventies when we kept asking

1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:45.720
<v Speaker 2>for our accountants somebody to you know, show us what

1:12:46.479 --> 1:12:50.120
<v Speaker 2>was coming in and what was going out. And I

1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:53.000
<v Speaker 2>managed to kept saying, I'll have a word at the

1:12:53.040 --> 1:12:56.680
<v Speaker 2>accountant and he'll send you the accounts so you can look.

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<v Speaker 2>The next thing, We're got a massive, big tax build

1:13:00.400 --> 1:13:05.000
<v Speaker 2>from the inland revenue in England. We got the how

1:13:05.120 --> 1:13:09.040
<v Speaker 2>is this we haven't earned this money tax people, Oh,

1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:13.880
<v Speaker 2>yes you have. It's like we've seen about a tenth

1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:18.360
<v Speaker 2>of what we were being taxed on. And we realized

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<v Speaker 2>then that the manager has like ripped us off.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, then what.

1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Then spent a year trying to get out of that contract.

1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Warner Brothers were involved in it. We've had to eventually

1:13:39.320 --> 1:13:41.880
<v Speaker 2>we had to buy him out, buy the manager out

1:13:41.880 --> 1:13:45.880
<v Speaker 2>for a million dollars, which is like ridiculous amount back

1:13:46.160 --> 1:13:51.120
<v Speaker 2>in the mid seventies, and we had to borrow it

1:13:51.120 --> 1:13:57.439
<v Speaker 2>from the record companies like against future albums just to

1:13:57.479 --> 1:14:03.880
<v Speaker 2>pay him off. We were in court for about three

1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:07.960
<v Speaker 2>months with all these lawyers involved, and I think the

1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:12.160
<v Speaker 2>lawyers ripped us off more than the management did, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we were left with no manager, absolutely no money.

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<v Speaker 2>We just had to start all over again.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you do for a manager?

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<v Speaker 2>We had to manage ourselves very badly and we got

1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:35.880
<v Speaker 2>this the tour tour manager then became looked after the

1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:41.599
<v Speaker 2>like the agencies booking tours and stuff like her, and

1:14:43.680 --> 1:14:45.439
<v Speaker 2>just had to go like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you eventually ended up with Donnardon anyway, right.

1:14:50.800 --> 1:14:52.480
<v Speaker 2>At the end of the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So how did that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>We needed somebody to take the lift all the stuff

1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:04.679
<v Speaker 2>off us because it was just like the music was suffering.

1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:08.200
<v Speaker 2>We would you'd like, we'd start, we'd go into a

1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:11.439
<v Speaker 2>studio and then you get a summons to appear in court.

1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:17.200
<v Speaker 2>And eventually what used to take is five days or

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks in the studio I became like six months.

1:15:21.240 --> 1:15:24.320
<v Speaker 2>We shoul have to keep appearing in court all the

1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:29.720
<v Speaker 2>time against all these people that were suing us. And

1:15:29.920 --> 1:15:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Don Arden said that he could get us out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was unfortunately when the end of the Aussie

1:15:37.080 --> 1:15:38.160
<v Speaker 2>era came about.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, did Don Arden give you a percentage? Did he

1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:45.240
<v Speaker 1>tell you what it was going to be? Did he

1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:45.960
<v Speaker 1>rip you off?

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't actually book any sus because Ozzi was fired

1:15:51.400 --> 1:15:55.400
<v Speaker 2>from the band and Don wasn't interested in managing Black

1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Sabbath without Ozzi.

1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so Don Arden all the will he never even

1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:02.200
<v Speaker 1>managed to Black.

1:16:05.120 --> 1:16:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Not Know England. No, I think he started on that.

1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:10.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it was the Never Say Die tour. We

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<v Speaker 2>just were like, we need a manager, and we went

1:16:13.840 --> 1:16:18.040
<v Speaker 2>like halfway through the Never Say Diet got done involved.

1:16:20.600 --> 1:16:25.160
<v Speaker 2>He agreed to manage us. He had incredible success with

1:16:25.720 --> 1:16:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the l built them like one of the major bands

1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:36.559
<v Speaker 2>on the Earth at the time, and then we found

1:16:36.600 --> 1:16:40.040
<v Speaker 2>out that Jeff Lynn sued him for thirty five million

1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:48.879
<v Speaker 2>dollars but neither so he agreed to manage us. We've

1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:52.840
<v Speaker 2>done a tour with Van Halen and Warner Brothers were

1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:57.080
<v Speaker 2>putting all the publicity into Van Halen and completely ignoring us.

1:16:57.360 --> 1:16:59.799
<v Speaker 2>So we thought, you know, we've got to get a manager.

1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:07.080
<v Speaker 2>We went back to Darn and that was going okay,

1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:09.479
<v Speaker 2>and so as he got fired in the band, Don

1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Arden says, well, I'm not managing with that, and that

1:17:13.840 --> 1:17:14.960
<v Speaker 2>was the end of Don Arden.

1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:20.479
<v Speaker 1>And okay, a couple of things as he left the

1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:24.800
<v Speaker 1>band came back and then got fired. How hard was

1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:26.920
<v Speaker 1>it to decide to fire them?

1:17:27.600 --> 1:17:30.559
<v Speaker 2>It was heartbreaking because you know, we're all growing up together,

1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:37.719
<v Speaker 2>we forward against the odds together, we built we perform

1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:44.960
<v Speaker 2>miracles from getting making the band successful, and it was heartbreaking.

1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:46.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like you know, cutting your arm off.

1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:51.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, how bad was it? Did you have to fire them?

1:17:53.800 --> 1:17:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he definitely needed a change of lifestyle. At the

1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:00.479
<v Speaker 2>time he was we were all into we were all

1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:06.479
<v Speaker 2>doing drugs and getting boozing and stuff like that, but

1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:11.080
<v Speaker 2>we could still function. Whereas Ossie it's sort of it

1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:16.280
<v Speaker 2>wasn't functioning anymore. And we got this house in bel

1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Air to write an album. Ozzie just wasn't interested in

1:18:22.080 --> 1:18:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the music that we were doing. And eventually Tony says,

1:18:26.280 --> 1:18:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Ozzi's got to go. It's just not interesting in the

1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:35.240
<v Speaker 2>band's not going to go anywhere. Keep on like this

1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:39.559
<v Speaker 2>and this isn't Actually I was a party the other

1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:41.639
<v Speaker 2>night and I got talking to this guy called Ronnie

1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:46.040
<v Speaker 2>James Doer, and he's got an absolutely brilliant voice, and

1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I think we should give him a go. H. So

1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Tony made came to the decision to get rid of

1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Ossie and we we hated doing it, but it had

1:18:57.760 --> 1:19:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to happen for our sake and his sake, and and

1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:07.479
<v Speaker 2>it all worked out great in the end. And Ronnie

1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:12.280
<v Speaker 2>James Doo came along and we'd written he sang to

1:19:12.479 --> 1:19:15.760
<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff that we'd written and it was brilliant,

1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:20.240
<v Speaker 2>absolutely just exactly what he needed. And that was the

1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:21.200
<v Speaker 2>end of the Aussie era.

1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:30.759
<v Speaker 1>What did as he see when he got fired?

1:19:32.040 --> 1:19:35.360
<v Speaker 2>But he couldn't believe it. I mean, it's like a

1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:40.080
<v Speaker 2>ton of bricks coming down on him on his own.

1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we had each other, but Ozzie didn't have anybody.

1:19:43.640 --> 1:19:49.360
<v Speaker 2>And luckily that's when Sharon came along and saved him.

1:19:49.680 --> 1:19:52.920
<v Speaker 1>And when he ultimately had success as a solo career

1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:56.040
<v Speaker 1>pretty much right away. Did that surprise you?

1:19:58.320 --> 1:20:02.439
<v Speaker 2>It surprised me how fast it too himself around? Yeah. Yeah,

1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:05.960
<v Speaker 2>And we were like totally really glad that he was

1:20:06.000 --> 1:20:11.519
<v Speaker 2>successful and he turned his whole life around. It was

1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:15.400
<v Speaker 2>great because he was successful and we were successful. We

1:20:15.400 --> 1:20:20.439
<v Speaker 2>were had one of the biggest selling albums ever of

1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Sabbath era, and he probably became bigger than Sabbath.

1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:30.320
<v Speaker 1>And how was it working with Riley James Deal.

1:20:31.680 --> 1:20:36.439
<v Speaker 2>It's fantastic for the first two albums, it's great. He

1:20:36.680 --> 1:20:40.040
<v Speaker 2>was the ultra professional. He'd just get down to everything.

1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:43.639
<v Speaker 2>The pressure was taken off me because he could write

1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:47.360
<v Speaker 2>his own lyrics, so I could concentrate on the music

1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:51.560
<v Speaker 2>part and you know, the bass parts and everything. He

1:20:51.720 --> 1:20:56.280
<v Speaker 2>was great for the first two albums, and then by

1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:59.519
<v Speaker 2>the time he came for the live album, he got

1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:05.559
<v Speaker 2>his own solodeal unbeknownst to us, which didn't get down

1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:06.880
<v Speaker 2>very well with us.

1:21:07.800 --> 1:21:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go back to earlier era. At one point,

1:21:11.520 --> 1:21:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Bill Ward says, they're kicking.

1:21:13.160 --> 1:21:21.519
<v Speaker 2>You out of the bear. When I'm there, I have

1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:23.519
<v Speaker 2>no idea. You have to ask Tony and Bill. And

1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:27.240
<v Speaker 2>because Bill came to the house one day and she's

1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:30.559
<v Speaker 2>got some bad news, You're out of the band. Great.

1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I think I was just like losing interest basically, and

1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:40.000
<v Speaker 2>we've just we've been through so much. We got rid

1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:43.200
<v Speaker 2>of the management. We had no money to show for

1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:49.719
<v Speaker 2>selling zillions of albums and millions of tours, successful tours

1:21:49.760 --> 1:21:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and everything, and we had, like I think I had

1:21:53.000 --> 1:21:58.479
<v Speaker 2>about five thousand dollars in the bank or something, and

1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:04.360
<v Speaker 2>massive tax bills, and I was just disillusion with the

1:22:04.400 --> 1:22:07.000
<v Speaker 2>whole thing. And I think I just that rubbed off

1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:09.760
<v Speaker 2>and everybody else in the band they just thought I

1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:12.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't interested anymore, which is probably true. At the time,

1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I just needed a break from everything.

1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>So you were okay with it getting kicked out?

1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like, oh, thank God for that. I

1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:26.760
<v Speaker 2>don't have to make the decision myself. They made it

1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:29.840
<v Speaker 2>for me, and yeah, I was just like, I think

1:22:29.880 --> 1:22:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I had the most relaxing three weeks I've had in

1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:36.400
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies.

1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:38.280
<v Speaker 1>So how did you end up back in the bit?

1:22:40.560 --> 1:22:43.240
<v Speaker 2>The phone me says where are you? Do you mean?

1:22:43.240 --> 1:22:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Where am I rehearsal? Where are do you kick me? At?

1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:50.960
<v Speaker 2>The band who kicked you out? Nobody would admit that

1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:53.479
<v Speaker 2>they were the ones that kicked me out, So I

1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:57.639
<v Speaker 2>just turned up rehearsal as if nothing had ever happened.

1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:04.000
<v Speaker 1>And to what degree did that affect you going forward?

1:23:05.840 --> 1:23:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I realized that the band was it wasn't like

1:23:11.040 --> 1:23:14.200
<v Speaker 2>four school kids all having a laugh together. It was

1:23:14.240 --> 1:23:19.800
<v Speaker 2>like serious, and it sort of lost the friendship part.

1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:23.720
<v Speaker 2>It became more of a business than four blokes just

1:23:23.840 --> 1:23:28.800
<v Speaker 2>having a laugh together, and just I don't know, I

1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:32.559
<v Speaker 2>think the friendship suffered a little bit because you. You

1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:36.400
<v Speaker 2>never think that you people that close to it are

1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:38.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna stab you in the back, which is what I

1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:42.280
<v Speaker 2>felt like when they said I was fired. But so

1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:45.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of that, a little bit of the

1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:47.640
<v Speaker 2>brotherhood sort of it was diminished.

1:23:48.360 --> 1:23:51.240
<v Speaker 1>So you had this run with the deal, which was

1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:56.080
<v Speaker 1>very successful. Then he gets a solo deal that ends

1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>with Sabbath. You end up working with a bunch of

1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:02.960
<v Speaker 1>different people, including Ian Gillen. We've been in deep purple.

1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:08.160
<v Speaker 1>You know what was it like, constantly cycling through different people.

1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:15.320
<v Speaker 2>It was horrible by this time after Ronnie left, because

1:24:15.439 --> 1:24:20.200
<v Speaker 2>we'd got Sandy Perlman managers for Heaven and Hell and

1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Mob Rules. He came in and managed us after Don

1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:27.920
<v Speaker 2>refused to manage us because obviously wasn't in the band,

1:24:28.600 --> 1:24:32.479
<v Speaker 2>and Sandy got all our business affairs sorted out. It

1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:35.479
<v Speaker 2>was not the best thing ever happened to us. We

1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:40.759
<v Speaker 2>got all our royalties properly sorted everything, all that tax

1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>sorted everything, just put us on a different level so

1:24:45.800 --> 1:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have to worry about finances anymore. And then

1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:58.840
<v Speaker 2>uh that there is like a big thing with because

1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Sandy Ploman managed Blue Icycles as well, and that came

1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:07.519
<v Speaker 2>to an end because he says, it's like you are

1:25:07.560 --> 1:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the manager. So he managed Blue Icacle because it is

1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:13.599
<v Speaker 2>too it's too much of a conflict. And he says,

1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:19.360
<v Speaker 2>what I've made my sort of name managing Blue Icycle,

1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:24.479
<v Speaker 2>so I've gotten to staying with them. So incomes Don

1:25:24.600 --> 1:25:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Arden again. He says, I've got the proposition for you. Says,

1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:33.920
<v Speaker 2>how about having Ian Gillan in the band. He says,

1:25:33.960 --> 1:25:38.880
<v Speaker 2>he's left Deep Purple and he's looking for a band

1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's he's approached his manager's approached me and asked

1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>about join in Sabbath. So he says, well, yeah, we'll

1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:49.800
<v Speaker 2>give it a try. And this is what we did

1:25:51.560 --> 1:25:58.160
<v Speaker 2>well that ended up having a short run. Why the

1:25:58.240 --> 1:26:00.880
<v Speaker 2>whole thing was a fiasco. I mean the Stonehenge but

1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:07.240
<v Speaker 2>it was ridiculous. Everybody thought spinal tap and copied. So

1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:11.880
<v Speaker 2>because of the whole Stonehenge fiasco.

1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>For those people who are tell us about the Stonehenge fiasco.

1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, because Don Arden had this, we put on spectacular

1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.120
<v Speaker 2>shows like with E l O had E l O

1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:28.599
<v Speaker 2>had a flying saucer landing on stage at their gigs.

1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:32.120
<v Speaker 2>It's like heap are on the most spectacular shows you

1:26:32.160 --> 1:26:36.120
<v Speaker 2>could imagine and and he was doing with Ossie as well.

1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>But Ozzie was going out with these incredible shows, and

1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Don Harden came up with this idea of having Stonehenges

1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:52.439
<v Speaker 2>the backdrop and the sun gradually as we were playing,

1:26:52.880 --> 1:27:00.679
<v Speaker 2>the sun would gradually rise behind the Stonehenge like normal

1:27:00.800 --> 1:27:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Stone Enge. And of course they got all the dimensions

1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>ron So when we finally went on tour with it,

1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:12.320
<v Speaker 2>it was too big to put it in any of

1:27:12.439 --> 1:27:15.800
<v Speaker 2>the gigs, so we had to leave it on the

1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:21.040
<v Speaker 2>docks in New York. So that was a total fiasco.

1:27:22.080 --> 1:27:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Then Ian Gillan, halfway through the tour heard from Deep

1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Purple they were getting wanted him back in the Deep

1:27:31.640 --> 1:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Purple band, so he wanted to go back to Deep Purple.

1:27:36.080 --> 1:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>And that was the end of that.

1:27:38.800 --> 1:27:43.439
<v Speaker 1>So when did the original Sabbath, you know, when did

1:27:43.520 --> 1:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>you all basically say this is all?

1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Well I did. Then it was like I never I

1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:55.719
<v Speaker 2>just didn't agree with the girl and singing in Sabbath.

1:27:55.960 --> 1:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I agreed with it, thinking that it was going to

1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>be a Gil and Iomi, but that kind of thing,

1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>not Black Sabbath. But the record company insisted that it

1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:13.599
<v Speaker 2>comes out as a black Sabbath album, and I never

1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:22.599
<v Speaker 2>really never believed in it really, and so nineteen eighty

1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:27.720
<v Speaker 2>four came around were me and Tony and Bill are

1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:31.040
<v Speaker 2>auditioning different singers and it's just like I just had

1:28:31.160 --> 1:28:34.160
<v Speaker 2>enough of this. I'm out of here, and I left.

1:28:36.320 --> 1:28:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and tell me about the solo album.

1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:45.839
<v Speaker 2>For me, Well, I've been writing lots of different stuff

1:28:49.320 --> 1:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and I decided I'm just going to do go on

1:28:53.280 --> 1:28:57.320
<v Speaker 2>my own so on my own boss, and I'll do

1:28:57.479 --> 1:29:00.080
<v Speaker 2>what I want musically, which is what I do it

1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>just for the pleasure of writing my own stuff.

1:29:04.640 --> 1:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>To what degree was that fulfilling and successful? Because it

1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>wasn't as commercially successful as certainly the peak of Black Service. Oh,

1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the solo stuff didn't do anything. I think it hardly

1:29:18.960 --> 1:29:19.639
<v Speaker 1>sold anything.

1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:25.040
<v Speaker 2>It was just nice to be able to play, to

1:29:25.200 --> 1:29:27.920
<v Speaker 2>do exactly what I wanted to do instead of having

1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>to listen to everybody everybody else's opinions or wherever. So

1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it was very fulfilling for me. So I didn't need

1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>the money at the time. It was more like a

1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>hobby and something that I'd always always wanted to do,

1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:46.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's up to me to be able to do it.

1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>And that's what happened.

1:29:47.960 --> 1:29:51.559
<v Speaker 1>You end up working with Osi and Asthmosis. How does

1:29:51.640 --> 1:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>that happen?

1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, me and I and our kids were very very close.

1:29:59.040 --> 1:30:02.120
<v Speaker 2>He'd come up to my house, him and Sharon with

1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:06.320
<v Speaker 2>the kids to play with my kids, and we got

1:30:06.360 --> 1:30:10.120
<v Speaker 2>into his action. We got on holidays together as families,

1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:15.439
<v Speaker 2>and so we were really close. And he was having

1:30:15.560 --> 1:30:19.040
<v Speaker 2>problems with Bob Daisley's bass player at the time, and

1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:25.759
<v Speaker 2>he tried other bass players and he just wasn't getting

1:30:25.800 --> 1:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>along with them, and he just asked me one day

1:30:29.000 --> 1:30:32.040
<v Speaker 2>if I'd do a tour with him. Yeah, fine, you know,

1:30:32.200 --> 1:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>just as friends. And that's what I did, just out

1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>of friendship.

1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>And how did Black Sabbath end up informing?

1:30:48.640 --> 1:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I think Sharon had the idea of having Sabbath and

1:30:54.880 --> 1:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Ozzie doing a gig together, and that's how the Ozfest

1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>thing came about, and we did that. It all came

1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>from his He did a farewell gig in custom Maser

1:31:09.080 --> 1:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>in California, and the original Sabbath got finished off his

1:31:16.439 --> 1:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>show and it's supposed to be his like final farewell

1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:21.479
<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of stuff, and we just got

1:31:21.760 --> 1:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>together from then on.

1:31:24.400 --> 1:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>How did you end up playing that gig. Find me.

1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, we were on tour with Ozzie with Ronnie James

1:31:33.439 --> 1:31:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Doo at the time, and Ozzie and Sharon had got

1:31:37.920 --> 1:31:40.560
<v Speaker 2>in touch with us and says, we'd love you to

1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>as he's finishing his career at custom Maser and he'd

1:31:44.960 --> 1:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>love you to come and do the final Uncle with

1:31:51.000 --> 1:31:54.280
<v Speaker 2>me Tony and Bill and the original Sabbath just going

1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>on stage and finishing his career off. And went, oh yeah, great,

1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:02.800
<v Speaker 2>we're up for it. We mentioned it to run and

1:32:02.920 --> 1:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>he went ballistic, I'm not doing that. I'm not supporting

1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>that clown and all this kind of stuff, and so

1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>we start, okay, well we're doing it, so running, Okay,

1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:20.439
<v Speaker 2>Well that's it finished. That's the way that that finished.

1:32:21.360 --> 1:32:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Something really stupid, pathetic.

1:32:24.600 --> 1:32:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, needless to say, it's not ours's last gig, and

1:32:30.560 --> 1:32:34.280
<v Speaker 1>then you continue to work with ours. He is Black Sabbath.

1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Is there any kind of plan or is it just

1:32:38.080 --> 1:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>organic or is it just when ours? He calls what

1:32:40.960 --> 1:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>what's going on there?

1:32:44.760 --> 1:32:47.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just we had such a good time at the

1:32:48.600 --> 1:32:52.479
<v Speaker 2>the quote unquote farewell gig that he says, you know,

1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:54.760
<v Speaker 2>if we ever want to do this again and one

1:32:54.840 --> 1:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>off thing or festival or just a tour whatever that

1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>to do it. Nothing stopping us, and that's the way

1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>we've always treated it ever since.

1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, eventually you're king to an end? Is would you

1:33:08.760 --> 1:33:09.639
<v Speaker 1>ever do it again?

1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.080
<v Speaker 2>If I was capable, if the rest of the band

1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:18.360
<v Speaker 2>were capable. But there's absolutely no way we'd gone tour

1:33:18.479 --> 1:33:23.439
<v Speaker 2>again because we're not not capable of it anymore physically.

1:33:23.960 --> 1:33:28.479
<v Speaker 1>And how come Bill Ward? Wasn't I the end run

1:33:28.600 --> 1:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>of service?

1:33:32.560 --> 1:33:37.960
<v Speaker 2>That's something you should ask, not me, because I would.

1:33:38.560 --> 1:33:44.719
<v Speaker 2>We started doing the the last album together, thirteen album,

1:33:45.479 --> 1:33:48.560
<v Speaker 2>and it was the original band, and that's that's what

1:33:48.720 --> 1:33:55.280
<v Speaker 2>we all agreed to h It was supposed to be

1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>like the final album of the original band. And everything

1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>was going great in rehearsals right in the album. Then

1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>we had a break. I went to Hawaii, came back

1:34:08.800 --> 1:34:13.560
<v Speaker 2>from Hawaii and Bill found me, I've been fired. What

1:34:13.600 --> 1:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>do you mean, what's why you fired? I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I just come back from Hawaii. I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 2>gone on, and so I've still I never did get

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<v Speaker 2>a proper answer why Bill was out the band and

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<v Speaker 2>what was.

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<v Speaker 1>It like working with Sharing?

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<v Speaker 2>It was great, it's always been great for working with her.

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<v Speaker 2>She had to overcome being one of the few women

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<v Speaker 2>managements in this horrendous music industry. She was very, very tough,

1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:51.760
<v Speaker 2>but she had to be to be a successful woman

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<v Speaker 2>even now in this industry on the management side.

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<v Speaker 1>When do you get married the first time?

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<v Speaker 2>When? Did what?

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<v Speaker 1>When did you get married the first time?

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<v Speaker 2>Married?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, you god? First marriage is nineteen I think

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy one and you were in the band.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you decide to get married?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I've been going with my girlfriend from school days

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<v Speaker 2>on and off for since I was like fifteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of those silly things that you do.

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<v Speaker 1>And why did that mirror a gend?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably mainly due to being away on the road all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and she was seeing other people and I

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<v Speaker 2>was seeing other people. Just didn't come to a natural end.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when I met Gloria with me forever wife,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like the lover felt for her was

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<v Speaker 2>like just beyond everything I'd ever felt.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you meet Gloria?

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<v Speaker 2>At the airport in Saint Louis of all places? She

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<v Speaker 2>was waiting for her friend to come off the plane

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<v Speaker 2>from Canada. I just landed in Saint Louis. Come out.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw her there and it's like love at first sight.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was the limo driver was waiting for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I sit to the limo driver, wait till she,

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<v Speaker 2>wait till she leaves, and follow her. It sounds really corny.

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<v Speaker 2>And she went outside. In those days, she could part

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<v Speaker 2>right outside the airport and her port. She had a

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<v Speaker 2>red Porsche which is part right next to the limo.

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<v Speaker 2>So she got in the red Porsche. I said to

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<v Speaker 2>the limo driver, if she stops for a red light,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to speak to her, and luckily enough stopped

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<v Speaker 2>at a red light when the window down and invited

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<v Speaker 2>her to the gig and she was like what. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she'd ever heard of Black Zibberth at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, come to the gig tonight and she

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<v Speaker 2>did love ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you were into her first sight? Was she

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<v Speaker 1>into you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think she was sort of the hell, who's this

1:37:42.600 --> 1:37:45.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing? She didn't know anything, who was or anything.

1:37:47.720 --> 1:37:50.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just she was just intrigued by

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<v Speaker 2>by this English bloke with long hair and in her band.

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<v Speaker 1>You end up living in Saint Louis, what's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, her family lived in Saint Louis, so we got

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<v Speaker 2>a house there. We had I still had a house

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<v Speaker 2>in England, so it was great for being on the

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<v Speaker 2>road because you know, it's just Central America in America USA,

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<v Speaker 2>and her family was there, and eventually we had our

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<v Speaker 2>first baby, who was born in Saint Louis hospital, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just convenience to live in Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 1>So, okay, do you ever play the bass anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>I played the bass three weeks ago with the Foo

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<v Speaker 2>Fighters at aston Villa Football Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the type of thing if someone calls you

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<v Speaker 1>up to play, do you have to rehearse or you

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<v Speaker 1>just you can say, okay, I'll pick up my basin

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<v Speaker 1>on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they said I just wanted to do Paranoid, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know that sort of backwards, so I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have to rehearse that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other three original members of the Sabbath do

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<v Speaker 1>you have contact with them? With Osie practically every day

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<v Speaker 1>now Tony occasionally we email and Bill Ward isn't on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet and I hate the phone, so I have

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<v Speaker 1>to if I want to speak to Bill Ward, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to send an email to his wife, who passes

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<v Speaker 1>it on to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he gives her the reply and she she sends

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<v Speaker 2>it to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you talk about with Tony and ours

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<v Speaker 1>in these days?

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<v Speaker 2>Just use your friendship things obviously, because we've just been

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<v Speaker 2>did this custom for are a local football club in

1:40:02.040 --> 1:40:07.200
<v Speaker 2>England has just come out with that and Adidas a

1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>new football kit. So me and Assi did an Addi

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<v Speaker 2>Das commercial back in England for the Aston Villa's new kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony talked to him about what hotels he likes, stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you listen to new music?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, I'd rather listen to an audio book because

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm driving from here in Nevada to Utah, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a seven hour drive, which I love doing, I

1:40:42.400 --> 1:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>always listen to audio books. Occasionally listen to new music,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. Some of it's totally above way

1:40:52.439 --> 1:40:56.280
<v Speaker 2>over my head. But the grandkids love like things like

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Swift. I took the grandkids to Tyler Swift concert,

1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>which was incredible. So yeah, things like do you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the old music? What Sabbath stuff, Sabath stuff or

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<v Speaker 2>even the other stuff. I listened to loads of sixties stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>things that I used to hate back then the same

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<v Speaker 2>great now it's like nostalgic. Give me an example, like

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<v Speaker 2>Tamla motown stuff and things that are pretended that I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like because it was a bit too girly. Noah,

1:41:35.640 --> 1:41:43.320
<v Speaker 2>love like Motown, stacked otis reading, all that kind of stuff.

1:41:43.360 --> 1:41:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I love that, all soul stuff.

1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>How olden do you recognize these days? Not a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been sort of the one to be recognized.

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<v Speaker 1>Hum.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it's always like when I'm in an awkward

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<v Speaker 2>position that somebody will recognized me. When I've had the

1:42:05.200 --> 1:42:07.200
<v Speaker 2>shower for a week or something and just go out

1:42:07.240 --> 1:42:10.360
<v Speaker 2>to put the bins out to something, somebody be passed it.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you care about legacy? Do you care if

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<v Speaker 1>people in younger generations know about Black Sabbath and the

1:42:22.520 --> 1:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>music you made, or you say, well I did that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing something different now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's fantastic to you know, still be recognized by musically.

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<v Speaker 2>Still people look up to the stuff that Sabbath did.

1:42:40.080 --> 1:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>It's it's always seemed to be cool to like Sabbath,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how old you are. That's a good thing.

1:42:48.560 --> 1:42:52.880
<v Speaker 2>And how was it playing paranoid with It's fantastic I

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<v Speaker 2>mean there's like fifty thousand people there at the football

1:42:57.080 --> 1:43:00.800
<v Speaker 2>ground and that I came on and the place is

1:43:00.880 --> 1:43:06.000
<v Speaker 2>spent wild, especially being back in Aston where Sabbath was born.

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<v Speaker 2>And you missed the stage at all, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>until I'm on it. Then I thought, I just go

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<v Speaker 2>on it and like something takes completely takes over me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like throwing me base up in there and all

1:43:21.400 --> 1:43:24.479
<v Speaker 2>this kind of thing. Then I come off like, oh, Gord,

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<v Speaker 2>me back.

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<v Speaker 1>So any specific plans anything you want to do in

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<v Speaker 1>the next coming years.

1:43:34.200 --> 1:43:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I would love to write a novel. That's sort of

1:43:38.960 --> 1:43:44.719
<v Speaker 2>my ultimate ambition, but I've started it. Every time I started,

1:43:45.120 --> 1:43:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I get to about page eighty and completely run out

1:43:48.880 --> 1:43:53.519
<v Speaker 2>of ideas. So I'm just gradually building all these ideas

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<v Speaker 2>up one by one and hopefully within a year or

1:43:57.880 --> 1:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>two I'm going to get down to it finally do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Geezer, thanks a lot for talking to me and

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<v Speaker 1>my audience telling your story. Thank you, Bob, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>see on stage somewhere down the road. Yeah, throwing your

1:44:14.920 --> 1:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>base in the air. That teos until next time. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Bob Love six