1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. It's actually our first edition in several months, 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: and to kick things off again, we're bringing in the 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: general manager of the Arizona Cardinals, Monty Assin, for It's 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: year two for Mani. After a very successful draft in 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and a lot of promise shown by 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: the Cardinals on the field in the fall, the Cardinals 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: feel like they've turned a corner, and just reading all 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: the reviews from the draft experts, everybody is raving about 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: the job that Mani and his staff did just a 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: few weeks ago with the twenty twenty four NFL Draft, 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: and in particular the selection of Marvin Harrison Junior with 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: the fourth overall pick, and how early the decision was 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: made that if Marvin Harrison Junior was there, he could 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: be the guy at four. 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: He was one of the players that we brought in 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: for a thirty visit in the middle of April. You know, really, 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: ultimately the day that Marvin walked out of my office 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: when he came to visit on his thirty visit, that 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: was the day where in my head I had absolutely 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: zero reservations about picking him at number four. 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: We'll also talk with Mani about what he saw from 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray on the field last year that leaves him 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: confident going into the OTAs and eventually training camp for 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: Murray and the Cardinals in twenty twenty four. We are 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: presented by BETMGM, the official sports betting partner of the 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and by Heila River Resorts and Casinos. Download 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: the BETMGM app today, the official sports betting partner of 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Please gamble responsibly. Welcome back to you 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: the listeners, and hope you enjoy this podcast with general 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: manager Mantiasinford. So, first question, Mani, I'm going to ask 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: from two different perspectives personally, what was this draft like 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: for you as opposed to last year? Meaning your family 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: was here where? Last year? I remember you were still 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: getting settled. I think you were living at Dave's house, right, yep, yep? 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: So how was it different just having your family here where? 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: Last year? I think your kids were finishing up school 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: and so you were still trying to figure out how 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: to get them out here. 40 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave, we actually we joked about that the guys upstairs, 41 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: and they said that we thought about maybe going back 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: to like the Rocky four montage and said, you know, 43 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: we felt the draft went pretty well last year, so 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: maybe maybe I should go back into Dave's place, you know, 45 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: and just have the bed on the floor and sleep there. 46 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: And we thought about doing that, but we I don't 47 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: know if the family would have really went with that, 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: but you know, it was it was last year was unique. 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: You know, last year with the entire time we were focused, 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: my family was still back in Nashville, and so you 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: know that was maybe a little bit of a blessing 52 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: last year that there was so much going on and 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: we had to condense the year a whole year into 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: a short period of time. And so you know, this year, 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: i'd say everything basically went in the time of year 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 2: that a typical scouting process goes, and so that just 57 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: just provided structure and the process has happened at the 58 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: time they were supposed to, and so you know, I 59 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: would say this there certainly wasn't any less work to do. 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: You know, every draft is there's just a boatload of 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: prospects that you have to go through. There's a bunch 62 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: of checkpoints that happened along the way. I'd say this year. 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: It just helped us that, you know, things happened in 64 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 2: the time that they were supposed to happen, and then 65 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: you know, hey, I had to mix in being a 66 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: husband and father too, and which was that's a good 67 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: problem to try to sort through, and so, you know, 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: a little bit different. But in the end, you know, 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: I think we had to get to the same spot 70 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: and hopefully we did that and had another successful draft. 71 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: So professionally in the room, I remember our conversation at 72 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: this time last year where you mentioned it's different when 73 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: previously you're giving advice on who to pick, but obviously 74 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: you're not making that decision. Now you're you are making 75 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: that decision. You're you have the final say. And so 76 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: now doing it a second time around, did you find 77 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: it easier, less stressful or did you have the same 78 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: butterflies that you had last year? 79 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave, I think we're always going to have those 80 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: same butterflies. I think, you know, that's a it's a 81 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: big moment for us, and a lot has going gone 82 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: into any time we select a player, that's been a 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: process that's over a year in the making, and so 84 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: you know, I think it's it's anxiety it's so it's 85 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: wanting to do right, it's wanting the board to follow 86 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: our way. And you know, I think ultimately, you know, 87 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: a lot of those decisions that we that we make 88 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: during the draft, a lot of those have already been made. 89 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: And so we've taken in all the input from our 90 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: scouts that have gone through December meetings, February meetings, our 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: April meetings, and then our input from our coaches that 92 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: have evaluated the players, and they've also conducted a lot 93 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: of interviews with the coaches, and so then we put 94 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: these all our prospects through through the structure and process 95 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: of what we do, and you know, those decisions on 96 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: who exactly we're going to take those really have been 97 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: made by the Friday before or at least the order 98 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: in how we see players. And so then by the 99 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: time we get to the draft and Thursday night, Friday night, 100 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon, really we're just we're evaluating trades that come up. 101 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 2: We're evaluating, you know, making decisions on draft strategy, moving 102 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: around the board. It's not hey would you take this 103 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 2: guy or this guy? Those discussions are already through, but 104 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: you know, that's that's always a cool moment when we're 105 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: you know, we're we got a few guys that we're 106 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: hoping make it to a spot, or one guy that 107 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: we're hoping and then ultimately, when that guy makes and 108 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: we pull that name off the board, that's a that's 109 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: a great responsibility that I have and I love doing it. 110 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that Marvin Harrison Junior decision was made. 111 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: The question is how early wasn't made for you when 112 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: in your mind did you say this is the guy 113 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: we want. 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so our process with Marvin has been over, 115 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: just like with all the prospects, over a year in 116 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: the making, and so you know, I think, I think, 117 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: really we want to get through the entire process of 118 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: both the evaluation of the player, which in Marvin's case, 119 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 2: went through you know, really the end of the season, 120 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: and then you know, we we supplemented that with medical 121 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: information and then the interviews that we conducted And the 122 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: first time we interviewed Marvin was at Combine with a 123 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: formal interview, and then he was one of the players 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: that we brought in for a thirty visit in the 125 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: middle of April, and so you know, really ultimately when 126 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: the day that Marvin walked out of my office when 127 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: he came to visit on his thirty visit. That was 128 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: the day where in my head I had zero, absolutely 129 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: zero reservations about picking him at number four. And so 130 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: I felt confident in Marvin as a player, felt confident 131 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: in Marvin as a person, and so you know, felt 132 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: really good about Marvin being our guy at number four. 133 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: And then it was just, hey, let's just wait and 134 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: let the process play out and see if anything comes up. 135 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: But really, nothing ever came close to getting us to 136 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: move off the pick, and we were excited to pull 137 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: Marvin's name off at number four. There. 138 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: So I did the Cotton Bowl, which was Ohio State Missouri, 139 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: so both of the Cardinals first round picks. We did 140 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: not meet with Marvin Harrison because he didn't play. We 141 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: did meet with Darius Robinson. I'll get to him in 142 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: the second. But even though we did not meet with 143 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, whether it was Ryan Day or the head 144 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: coach at Ohio State or other players or Urban Meyer 145 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: was there, and I've known Urban for a long time. 146 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: He spoke, everybody spoke glowingly about Marvin the person. Obviously, 147 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: you watch the film, you see how great of a 148 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: player he is. How much you mentioned the conversation you 149 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: have with him, how much of just the person of 150 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison. Did that sell you on this He fits 151 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: our culture and what we're trying to build here as 152 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: well as the talent. 153 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's huge. Day, that's huge. I mean, you know, 154 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: that's really when we have those thirty visits, when we 155 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: conduct our interviews with the coaches, our scouts, that's when 156 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: we really put the final stamp on what we feel 157 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: as the player as a person. You know, the tape 158 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: is the tape. Now let's evaluate the person. And so 159 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: you know, just in our constant meetings with Marvin that 160 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: we had multiple of those, just the maturity, the accountability, 161 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: the dependability consistently stood out with him. And really, I 162 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: think one thing that's really unique about Marvin, and it's 163 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: not a surprising based on where he's come from and 164 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: his dad and seeing his dad, but just the plan 165 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: that Marvin has and the plan that Marvin has had 166 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: since high school and he carried that into college and 167 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: I know he's going to carry it this week when 168 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: he comes in here for the first time on Thursday. 169 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: Just the plan on how to get better and the 170 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: way he takes care of his body, the rehab, the prehab, 171 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: the plan he has for catching estra balls on the 172 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: jugs machine. You know, Marvin's Marvin's very talented individual. But 173 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: Marvin doesn't rest on his talent like he is. He's 174 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: pushing himself. He's he's working to get better. He wants 175 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: to be great, and the great ones have those traits 176 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: where they push themselves. And so just getting to know 177 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: Marvin and learning him about more about him, those things 178 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: quickly showing through. 179 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: We did meet with Darius. Our meetings are obviously different 180 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: than your meetings. We're doing television meetings and so it's 181 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of personal stories, but also you know, 182 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: asking you know him about him as a football player. 183 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: And you know there are when you meet with players 184 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: every week and coaches like sometimes you know, it's just 185 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: another game, it's just another week. But there are certain 186 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: guys that stand out because of their personality, and I 187 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: think is the value is getting to to know Darius. 188 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: You can see why that he would stand out because 189 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: he's got a huge personality, very smart, loves football. Were 190 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: you hoping, like did you think that he would still 191 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: be there? Were you concerned that he might be off 192 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: the board. 193 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: We certainly were concerned. Yeah, absolutely, and so you know, 194 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: Darius was a guy that it was actually it was 195 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: actually interesting. So Darius was our first formal interview at 196 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, and so he was the first player 197 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: of the week that we actually got to sit down with. 198 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: And then once we got to the Combine, he just 199 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: happened to be the first formal interview we had at 200 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: the Combine. And so, you know, unique with Darius in 201 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: that we didn't bring Darius on a thirty visit. We 202 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: didn't bring him on a thirty visit because we we 203 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: felt like we had had enough exposures to him through 204 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: our scouts in the fall, through multiple meetings where him 205 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl, and then through our meetings with 206 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: they meant the Combine, and so you know, I think 207 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: we were comfortable, more than comfortable with who Darius was 208 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: as a person through those those steps. And then you know, 209 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: I think I think the day that he got here 210 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: for his press conference and when he sat in front 211 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: of that group and and really just the way he 212 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: conveyed his thoughts and this the maturity and what he's 213 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: done with his nil money and setting up his foundation. 214 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all kind of looked around 215 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: and we're like, holy moly, we gotta we can learn 216 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: something from this guy, you know, Like so just an 217 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: impressive kid all the way around, just a guy that 218 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 2: you know. Obviously we're excited to add his talent on 219 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: the field, but just excited to add the makeup and 220 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: the way the leadership that we think he will eventually 221 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: be able to grow into here off the field as well. 222 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: What's your vision for him along with the coaching staff 223 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: in terms of how he fits in and where he 224 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: might play or is that still in development those discussions. 225 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: I think so. I think definitely still in development. I 226 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: think with Darius as well as all of our rookies, 227 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: Marvin all the way down to the underrated free agents 228 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: that we signed. Their process right now is to come 229 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: in and carve out a role and find a way 230 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: to help this team win. And no matter how big 231 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: or small that role is, Like they're starting from zero. 232 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: They're going to come in here on Thursday and Friday, 233 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: hit the field for the first time, and you know, 234 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: they're behind. They are behind our current team right now 235 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: in terms of mental Like they are far behind on 236 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: learning scheme, and they're far behind physically, like our team 237 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: has been here in Phase one and now in phase two, 238 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: just getting themselves in condition and getting themselves in football shape. 239 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 2: So you know, with Darius, I think our vision for 240 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: him is the first versatility that he brings that he 241 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: can play on multiple spots on the front, that he 242 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: can contribute against in them both the run in the 243 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: pass game. But you know, ultimately, for Darius and everyone else, 244 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: it's what they do from here on out going forward, 245 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: and how they can find a team way to help 246 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: this team win. 247 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned that in the room on draft night. At least, 248 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: you know I'm speaking specifically about the first round. I'm 249 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: sure it's all the rounds you talked about. You're getting 250 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: phone calls for trades. How active were the phones that 251 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: first night, and how close were you guys to making 252 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: a move, whether down or up or using a pick 253 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: or a player to get back into the first round. 254 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think for us, for at 255 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: the first pick, number four, it was all about us 256 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: receiving calls, and so most of those calls occurred as 257 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: we led up to the start of the draft, and 258 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: so work through some various scenarios and you know, really, 259 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: like I said, earlier that nothing really got us close 260 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: to moving off that pick. You know, as we got 261 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: back to pick twenty seven, you know, I think, I 262 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: think we start making some exploratory calls, Hey, what would 263 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: it what would it cost to move up? You know, 264 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: we have we have players that Hey, we hope these 265 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: guys make it to twenty seven, and you know, we 266 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: we make those calls, Hey, how expensive would it be. 267 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: Ultimately we thought it was too expensive to move up, 268 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: and we were just very excited that Darius lasted to 269 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: number twenty seven. Well, at the same time, there was 270 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: there was calls coming in for teams trying to get 271 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: back into the first round, but ultimately we didn't want 272 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: to pass up on the chance to get in Darius. 273 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: I'd say, where the calls really picked up. Where was 274 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: the next day when we were sitting at the top 275 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: of the second round there and we had I'd say 276 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: we had upwards a six to eight offers for that 277 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: pick number thirty five at the top of the second 278 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: round there on Friday. 279 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: All right, I want to get back to that. But 280 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm curious in general, because you've been doing this a 281 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: long time in evaluating players, and I'm curious you've talked about, 282 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, having conviction on a player when you take him. 283 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: How do you keep your emotions out of it while 284 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: still being convicted Because I hear scouts say a lot like, hey, 285 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: you can't get too emotional about a guy and fall 286 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: in love with a guy, because sometimes that could just 287 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: be how you see it. And maybe you know you're 288 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: missing something because you're invest too much. How do you 289 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: balance that? 290 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think those are really the discussions that 291 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: happen in the in the weeks leading up to the draft. 292 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: And so you know, we're stacking our board, and we're 293 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: we're not only stacking our board vertically, we're stackling horizontally 294 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: for just those occasions. And so, yes, we have an 295 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: order on which we would take players. We have an 296 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 2: order on which the order that we would take, whether 297 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: it be corners or wide receiver or guards, and we 298 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: work down that order. But we also have an order 299 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: of who we would take a cross position. So who 300 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: would we take in this clump? Woul we take this 301 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 2: safety versus this tight end, or this this running back 302 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: versus this wide receiver, And so those discussions are made 303 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: and so, hey, that happens where there's a guy that 304 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: we think we like, that we think would fit us. 305 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: But those players, like everybody else is looking at the 306 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: same players, and so you know, the guys that we 307 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: really like sometimes they make it, sometimes they don't. And 308 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's really a home run when when 309 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: you find a player that you like and fits us 310 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: both on and off the field, that he makes it 311 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: to your pick and you can just go ahead and 312 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: feel good about picking that guy off the board. 313 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: So back to the second round, Max Melton, how do 314 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: you envision his role based on who you have in 315 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: the secondary? That that's a and then b was he 316 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: somebody again that you just felt so convicted about that Hey, 317 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: we need we need to make sure we take this 318 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: guy here. 319 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: We felt really good about Max. We felt really good 320 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: about Max, you know, and so he would have been 321 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: a guy we were come taken at thirty five. And 322 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: so that's one of those occasions where hey, we were 323 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: able to drop back and recoup a great second round 324 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: or a third round pick there in the middle of 325 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: the third round at seventy nine and still get Max 326 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: at pick forty three. And so, you know, I think 327 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: the thing that stands out about Max is, you know, 328 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: his his athletic ability, his movement. You know, he runs easy, 329 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: he's fast, and it doesn't look like he's ever straining. 330 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: He's an instinctive player. He's got quickness, he can cover 331 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: up guys on the perimeter. He's also got experience playing inside. 332 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: He plays the ball well and he'll tackle, which is 333 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: something that you don't typically see. And then you know, 334 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: really a hidden part of Max's game is his special 335 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: team's ability. He's blocked four punts in his career, which 336 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: is you know, it's not it's not often you see that. 337 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: And you know, really knowing that he comes from a 338 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: good program, Greg Ciano runs out there and Rutgers and 339 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: what's been asked to him. So, you know, Max is 340 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: a guy that we were excited to add. Thinks we 341 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: think he fits on us schematically in terms of his 342 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: running and coverability, and really excited for to see what 343 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: he can do here next week. 344 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you go back to the first time Shiano was 345 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: it Rutgers and think about all the guys that made 346 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. There is definitely a culture there that he 347 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: has built, and you know he's well respected for that. 348 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: And and when I when I saw the pick, I 349 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: had a sense of where you guys were going and 350 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: what you were thinking with him. 351 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know I had spent some time 352 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: with coach Giano, he had some time with the New 353 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: England organization, spent some time there, and so you know, 354 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: he was able to provide invaluable insight on Max as 355 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: we went through our scouting process. 356 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: I had Tray. I'm pretty sure I remember Trade Benson 357 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: at Oregon. I know I had him this year Florida. 358 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: Say it was actually again they almost lost to Boston College. 359 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: But man, he he really stood out just whether it 360 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: was watching tape or the games. Is he somebody that 361 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: you could see obviously of James Connor, who is terrific 362 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: and the guy, but is Trey somebody that you could 363 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: see morphing into a you know, Pro Bowl caliber running back? 364 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I think the thing with Trey that 365 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: stands out is he's a big back, much like James Connor. 366 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: And so you know, I think I think Trey fits 367 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: us from a schematic standpoint in that he's instinctive, he's tough, 368 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: he's physical, he's got good contact balance, he's able to 369 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: run through and gain through yards. And then you know 370 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: one thing that stands out Trey is that when he 371 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: does have a crease, he has the speed to break 372 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: it and pop the long run, something that you don't 373 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: often see and running backs that are his size. So 374 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: you know, I think he compliments James very well. I mean, 375 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: James was James had a phenomenal year last year. Was 376 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: really one of our, if not our top offensive players 377 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: and most consistent players throughout the year. So you know, 378 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: we think we ran the ball pretty well last year 379 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: and really finished strong in that front, and we think 380 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 2: that gives us a chance to control the clock, control 381 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: the pace of the game, and you know, really just 382 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: add another back that can compliment James and his skill set. 383 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: We just feel like that puts us in a good 384 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: position offensively. 385 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: MANI one other draft pick I want to ask you about, 386 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: and it mentioned that, you know, sometimes you meet with 387 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: players or coaches and you know, it's just another meeting. 388 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have those two where you walk 389 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: out there, who's next, and then every now and there's 390 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: a guy that really stands out. I had Texas four 391 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: times this year, and so we met with Christian Jones 392 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: more than once, and he stood out, like again, great personality, 393 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: a guy that you just kind of fall in love 394 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: with talking to him. Was he somebody in terms of 395 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: your meetings that stood out to you. 396 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. Impressive kid, Christian, no question. And he's he's a 397 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: kid that we met with. We met with at the 398 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, had a couple of meetings with him down 399 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 2: there at the Senior Bowl, and then our coaches had 400 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 2: a chance to meet with him at the Combine and 401 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: really every step of the way, everybody came out with 402 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: much the same impression you did. You have some mature kid, 403 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 2: and you know, just think that his accountability level is 404 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: very high. He's played a ton of snaps down there 405 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: at Texas, played against some really good players just in 406 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: that league and then some of their their non conference games, 407 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: and really has held up well. And so you know, 408 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 2: we're excited to add a tackle of his caliber. At 409 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: that point in the draft. You know, you can never 410 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: have enough offensive linemens, specifically, can never have enough tackles. 411 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: It's a hard position to find in the league, and 412 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: so to find one with Christians just really off field 413 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: makeup and then also his on field production, it was 414 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: an exciting ad for us at that point in the draft. 415 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: We started this podcast talking about your former roommate, Dave Sears. 416 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about his role because last year, 417 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: at this time, most people didn't know who he was, 418 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: who was a little under the radar higher but I 419 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: remember I got a phone call full disclosure. Chris Bielman 420 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: has been a great friend of mine for a long time. 421 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: We worked together for several years at ESPN and he's 422 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: one of my closest friends. He calls me and said, 423 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: you guys just got a guy that I really hated 424 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: to lose. And he says, please tell him that I'm 425 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: really pissed at him for leaving, because Dave was in 426 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: Detroit and they loved him there, and I think Dave 427 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: deserves some credit for what they've built there with the Lions. 428 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: Tell me about Dave, your relationship with him, and how 429 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: you see his role continuing to grow with the organization. Yeah. 430 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Dave has been invaluable to me and the rest 431 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: of the organization since he got here. And so you know, 432 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: our relationship goes back more than twenty years ago to 433 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: when you know, I first started off with the Houston 434 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: Texas and so Dave, Dave really kind of took me 435 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: under his wing along with an another guy that's on 436 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: our staff, Rob Kissel. Both those guys I owe a 437 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 2: lot to them in terms of what they did for 438 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 2: me just developmentally and bringing me along in the business. 439 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: And so the chance to add both of them, and 440 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: specifically Dave, you know, what he's done for our group, 441 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: just not only in the evaluation process, but really on 442 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: a day to day basis, and even more so what 443 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: he's done in terms of, you know, conveying our system 444 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: and teaching our structure and getting that passed on to 445 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: our scouts and being able to communicate and when I'm 446 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: not able to you know, be on that day to 447 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: day hands on approach, day is able to take that 448 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: off my plate and really you know, develop and continue 449 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: to institute our system and our processes and our structure. 450 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: And so you know, Dave, Dave's done a fantastic job him. 451 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: His evaluation ability is second to none, and you know, 452 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: we're really fortunate to have him here in our organization. 453 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: I want to ask you a couple of questions about Kyler. 454 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: What did you see from him when he came back 455 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: healthy and played the final two months of the season 456 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: that leaves you confident going into twenty twenty four. Everyone 457 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: that I've talked to has said, like, it's amazing how 458 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: all in he is, like here every day. Heard he 459 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: came after the press conferences last week to meet with 460 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison and to say hello to Darius, Like, all In, 461 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: what are some of the things you saw, whether it's 462 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: on the field but also off the field that leaves 463 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: you really confident where he is. 464 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're just really excited with the way 465 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: things are going across the program. But you know, specifically 466 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: with Kyler is especially this offseason, he can focus on 467 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: being a great teammate, be getting himself ready, getting himself 468 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: more acclimated to the offense, and so, you know, I 469 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: think that's a really maybe overlook part of what Kyler 470 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 2: did last year, and just the fact that he was 471 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: coming off a major, major knee injury and so just 472 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: to get himself to where he was at physically, but 473 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: then also mentally the challenge that he had to learn 474 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: entirely new offense with not being able to practice it 475 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: until November, not being able to be on the field 476 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: until the November time frame, and so you know, really 477 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: took a month there where you know, not that he 478 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: played bad, that first month, but like just trying to 479 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: get acclimated everything, and then that last month of the 480 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 2: season really when he hit his stride and our team 481 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: hit our stride offensively and we were able to really 482 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: put it all together. And so the fact that we 483 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: can hopefully pick off pick up where that left off, 484 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: and Kyler can spend the time being the being the 485 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: starting quarterback and not being in the rehab and trying 486 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: to get himself ready, you know, I think that's going 487 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: to put us in a better position here this offseason 488 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: as we head into OTAs here in the next next month, 489 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: and then as we take a break and then once 490 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: we get rolling here into training camp. 491 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Was there a moment or conversation with him, whether it 492 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: was a conversation you had or JG that stood out 493 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: that really felt like, Okay, Kyler is confident in himself, 494 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: because when you have that injury, and he had not 495 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: had a an injury like that in his career, and 496 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: I think you need you don't know how a player 497 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: is going to respond from that. Was there anything that 498 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: stood out to you about how he came through that process. 499 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: I think really from the from the moment JG got 500 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 2: here and from you know, when when I got here, 501 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: I think for all of our players, the expectation is high, 502 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: and so you know, really just to lay out expectations 503 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: and and really, you know, that's what's that's what we 504 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: expect out of our players every day, and so you know, 505 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: when we put that out there, there's the We've had 506 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: multiple players just rise up and meet that. And so 507 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: I don't think there was ever just a you know, 508 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: an enlightening moment that just hit. I think from the 509 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: moment that we got here, it was, hey, this is 510 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: these are the things that we need to do as 511 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: an organization. This is that as a football program. These 512 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: are the expectations. These are clearly laid out, and this 513 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: is how we're going to get better. This is how 514 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: we're going to win. And Kyler, along with a lot 515 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: of our players, rose up and met those and they 516 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 2: continue to meet those and that's that's what's ultimately going 517 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 2: to determine if we can get this thing rolling and 518 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: be successful. 519 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: So a lot those lines on when you look back 520 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: at last year, was it was it harder than you 521 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: thought to kind of overhaul everything and build the culture 522 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: the way you wanted it. Did it meet your expectations? 523 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: Obviously you're still in the process. It's it's only been 524 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: a year. But in terms of where everything started to 525 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: where you are now, was it more challenging you thought, 526 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: or about what you expected? 527 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. And you know, I think with that, 528 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 2: I don't know that you ever quite know what to expect. 529 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: And I think really all you can control is day 530 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: in and day out and whatever comes across our plate 531 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: or whatever we can control on a daily basis to 532 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: help our football program. You know, I think I think 533 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: just staying in the now and and and concentrate on 534 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: on those scenarios are are what makes us the best. 535 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: And you know, I think, you know, we throw it around. 536 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: I think it's thrown around a lot like culture and 537 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: changing the culture. And I think really ultimately culture is 538 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 2: what we do on a daily basis, And so for us, 539 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: just setting those expectations and all of us, you know, 540 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: no matter what our job was or is, coming in 541 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: on a daily basis and doing what our job is 542 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: at a at a high level and doing what we 543 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: can do at that moment to help our team put 544 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: our team in a successful situation. 545 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: That's culture. 546 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: And so when we then bring new people into the building, 547 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: whether it's coaches or scouts, or players, or equipment people 548 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: or trainers, whatever it is. They come in and there's 549 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 2: not a We don't hand them a pamphlet and says 550 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: this is our culture. They come in and they see it. 551 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: They see it every day, and when this week, when 552 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: our new players get here, that's that's the responsibility of 553 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: them to look around and say, well, this is how 554 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 2: we work, this is how we meet, this is how 555 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: we practice, this is how we lift, this is how 556 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: we eat. And so that's that's when the culture starts 557 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: running itself. When we have the people in the building 558 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: that are operating at a high level and doing it consistently, 559 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 2: that's how a culture gets established, and that's how a 560 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: culture gets sustained. 561 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: I need to pick your brain because like when I'm traveling, 562 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: I need to figure out a good workout plan and 563 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: a good eating plan. This culture, I mean, I need 564 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: my own culture to keep myself together. How about the 565 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: scouting a couple more. We'll let you go, cause I 566 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: appreciate your time, and I know you get other things 567 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: to do. But the scouting process, how I know what 568 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: you implemented is different than what was here before. How 569 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: has that gone? Where are you in that process this 570 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: year compared to last year. 571 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel really good about where we're at with that, Dave. 572 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: You know, I just before the scouts left town, when 573 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: they were here for the draft, I, you know, we 574 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: had had a short meeting and you know, I just 575 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: told him how how proud I was of them. I 576 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: mean I was throwing a lot at him over the 577 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: last year and and really had changed the order of 578 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 2: operation and what was required of them throughout the year 579 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: and put more on their plate earlier in the process. 580 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: And so, you know, I think it's an ongoing process 581 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: of just continuing to get comfortable with the language at 582 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: the grading scale and then just continuing to add to 583 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: a rolodex of players of you know, just so we 584 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: have comparisons that we can make and knowing our team 585 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: and identifying where we are at as a team. And 586 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: so feel really good about where we are with that process. 587 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 2: Feel that we're always going to get better with with 588 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: more time on it. But you know, just really hats 589 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: off to our scouting staff and the way that they've 590 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 2: jumped in and now they've been through an entire year 591 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: and so they've seen in the entire year process and 592 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: so I think that's going to continue to get smoother 593 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: as we go. It never takes away the volume of 594 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 2: the work. It's still a mountain of work. And we're 595 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: just really starting that again for twenty twenty five and 596 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 2: those guys are well on their way of putting us 597 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 2: in a position to be ready for the twenty twenty 598 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: five draft. But it never ends, it's ongoing. You can 599 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: never let your guard down. And it's something that I 600 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: know our guys are going to be ready for and 601 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: it's one that we're looking forward to getting ready for 602 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: next year. 603 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: Coach Cannon, how did you see him grow over the 604 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: course of a year, Because like it was new for 605 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: you last year, it was new for him and he 606 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: obviously is somebody that has incredible passion and energy, but 607 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: well respected as an X and O guy too. How 608 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: did you see him grow in that role? 609 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, JG and his staff did a tremendous job. I mean, 610 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: I think you know, again, that's a that's a that's 611 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 2: a huge task. That's a huge job. There's a lot 612 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: on his shoulders, and there's a lot of responsibility and 613 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: and there's things that you know that came with my job. 614 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: There's things that come on, hit his job that you 615 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: can never prepare for until you get through them. And 616 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: so you know, the way that he JG handled his uh, 617 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: you know, his responsibilities with the entire football organization, the 618 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 2: leadership that he provided, the energy that he provided, you know, 619 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: the oversight on the preparation that we went into each 620 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: week with, and really ultimately the competitiveness that our team 621 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 2: displayed over the last month of the season, you know, 622 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: just really really put us in a great spot. And 623 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: so you know, I know he's as excited as I 624 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: am going into this offseason. He also knows that, you know, hey, 625 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: we got to start over, and we got to we 626 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: got to start over from ground zero with the twenty 627 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: twenty four team, and you know, we're looking forward to 628 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: that and that starts now. The process of the team 629 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: building starts now as we're in phase two, and we'll 630 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: be in phase three here in a couple of weeks. 631 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: But just his oversight and his leadership and the maturity 632 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: and accountability that he brought to the position just just 633 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: really put our team in a great position here moving forward. 634 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: I know you're always watching tape, whether it's college tape 635 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: or tape of the Cardinals or other film when you're 636 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, if there's a guy 637 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: that gets cut in camp or even in the course 638 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: of a season, whether it's somebody you want to bring 639 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: into the team. It's interesting. I've been working a ton 640 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: of NBA with Bob Myers. He's been on most of 641 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: the games Bob's done. I've been with him. We've had 642 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: a couple of playoff games together. And Bob was the 643 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: longtime GM and the Golden State Warriors won four championships, 644 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: and he's really good on games. His perspective is really unique. 645 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: So my question for you is is your the way 646 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: you evaluate and the way a general manager looks at 647 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: NFL players schemes, is it different than how if you 648 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: were a coach or a player you would look at it. 649 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: Because I feel like Bob's perspective is really unique and interesting. 650 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there is. I think there is 651 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: a difference between how a coach and how a scout 652 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: look at how a player will fit. And so, you know, 653 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: I think that's something that we have to take into account. 654 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: And so you know, as scouts, we have to understand 655 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: schematically what the coaches are going to be asking players 656 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: to do. And then ultimately it's our job as scouts 657 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: to project whether or not the player has the skill 658 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: set to do the things that we're asking them to do, 659 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 2: because what they're being asked to do in college may 660 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: be vastly different. Now, we don't want to hold that 661 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: against the player. We don't want to you know, ding 662 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: them for Hey, you know, this guy doesn't play coverage 663 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: the way we play so well. Is that because he's 664 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: not asked to do it? Or is that because there's 665 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: a physical limitation that he cannot do it that way? 666 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: And so, you know, I think that's on us as scouts, 667 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: and that's through constant communication with the coaching staff JG 668 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: and I just understanding what type of players and what 669 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: skill sets we're looking for. And then it's our job 670 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: as scouts to go out there and find those players 671 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: and say why this player can fit in this scheme 672 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: and why he cannot and so not every player can, 673 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: and our job as scouts is as much about eliminating 674 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: players as it is finding players. And so you know, 675 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: our scouts have done a great job of that will 676 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: continue to continue to drill that into all of us, 677 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: and that's something that we can all get better at 678 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 2: But yeah, there's certainly our differences between the way coaches 679 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: look at guys and scouts look at guys. 680 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: Did you get to see Speaking of that, did you 681 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: get to see even though Bill Belichick is a coach, 682 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: he obviously heavily involved in personnel, did you get to 683 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: see him at all during I know you were busy, 684 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: but did you see any of the TV stuff on 685 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: him during the draft? 686 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: I didn't see the TV stuff. I heard it went well, 687 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: I did. I did happen to turn into the tune 688 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: into the Tom Brady Roast last night, and so I'm 689 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: out there in a much much different environment, you know, 690 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: not a not a PG situation, but it was highly, 691 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: highly entertaining. I enjoyed that we did. 692 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: Some of the stories you heard, did you say, oh, yeah, 693 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: I remember? 694 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: They were phenomenal. It was like a trip down memory 695 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: lane seeing all those all those guys that were on 696 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: the team when I was there and seeing those So 697 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: that was that was cool. That was cool to see 698 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: up there. 699 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: I wonder how Tom is feeling this morning, because it 700 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: looked like he was enjoying it. 701 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: Might have been a little over served, but I don't 702 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: want to speculate on that. 703 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: Hey, Thanks MONI appreciate the time. 704 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: Thanks Dave, I appreciate it. 705 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: Always great to catch up with Mani and his thought 706 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: process on Marvin Harrison Junior, on Darius Robinson, the second 707 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: and third round selections, and just general philosophy on the 708 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: draft and building a program and the improvement the organization 709 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: has made from when he took over last year to now. 710 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: It's really encouraging and if you're a Cardinal fan, you 711 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: should be really excited about what's to come in twenty 712 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: twenty four. 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