WEBVTT - Steve Young Meets World

0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I went to soccer games.

0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:25.880
<v Speaker 2>What sports professional professional like MLS.

0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:32.120
<v Speaker 3>Get this my third LAFC game. Three soccer games. Yeah,

0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.839
<v Speaker 3>it was. It was super fun. Like soccer is the

0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.040
<v Speaker 3>only sport that I really enjoy watching. I don't keep

0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.839
<v Speaker 3>up with it, but I do enjoy watching it. And

0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.320
<v Speaker 3>I guess it's maybe because I played it as a kid.

0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, up until I was like, up until Boyne's World,

0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.080
<v Speaker 3>like twelve or thirteen, I played soccer every year. My

0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.680
<v Speaker 3>parents actually coached my team and stuff, so I was

0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.400
<v Speaker 3>really into it. But yeah, so I saw about like

0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.880
<v Speaker 3>two years ago, a friend invited me to an LAFC game,

0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.560
<v Speaker 3>and it was so much fun. They have like a

0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.720
<v Speaker 3>whole cheering section which is basically like a permanent dance

0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.800
<v Speaker 3>party going on. They never stop moving there, and they're

0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.080
<v Speaker 3>drumming and they're chanting. They never stopped moving the whole game,

0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.679
<v Speaker 3>and it keeps the audience's energy up so high. And

0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.039
<v Speaker 3>the stadium where LAFC plays is it's very small, like

0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.560
<v Speaker 3>compared to most stadiums, so you can no matter where

0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:28.360
<v Speaker 3>you're sitting, you can see their players' faces in the game. Yeah,

0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.680
<v Speaker 3>so so yeah, So a friend took me a couple

0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.280
<v Speaker 3>of years ago, and then I took some friends after

0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.800
<v Speaker 3>that and then yeah, I had friends in from out

0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.880
<v Speaker 3>of town and their kids love soccer and they play

0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:39.399
<v Speaker 3>all the time.

0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:41.959
<v Speaker 4>So we were like, let's go to l A f C.

0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:43.560
<v Speaker 4>What does l a FC stand for?

0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, La Football Club Los Angele Football Club.

0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.080
<v Speaker 3>So it's a team, it's an MLS team, and they're great.

0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.280
<v Speaker 3>They're really good. They're like probably one of the best

0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.800
<v Speaker 3>in the MLS. I think, I'm told. But anyway, it

0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.440
<v Speaker 3>was so, it was, Yeah, it was super fun. India

0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.680
<v Speaker 3>was not into it, still still not into sports. Yeah,

0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.520
<v Speaker 3>so I was like, maybe maybe you'll get into soccer. No, no,

0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:06.440
<v Speaker 3>but you know, I guess he just takes after me.

0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:08.720
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it was. It was super fun. So I

0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.720
<v Speaker 3>went to a sport a sports ball event. Wow, that's

0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.680
<v Speaker 3>really great again, Yeah, do you.

0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.000
<v Speaker 5>Stand in the cheering section? Are you part of the

0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:16.680
<v Speaker 5>cheering section?

0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:17.000
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.240
<v Speaker 3>Know, how you get in that? I mean they're like

0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.520
<v Speaker 3>they're all wearing like yeah, no, they like know these chants,

0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.079
<v Speaker 3>they have all these rituals and they're like so into it,

0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.160
<v Speaker 3>and but god, I would be exhausted. They're like for

0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.520
<v Speaker 3>ninety minutes, they're dancing the entire time, like you know, everybody,

0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.800
<v Speaker 3>it was. It's really fun. It's a great one. It

0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.840
<v Speaker 3>was a draw. Yeah, it was a really exciting game.

0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Like why they got to play for ninety minutes to

0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.919
<v Speaker 2>go and nothing happened and nothing happened in ninety minutes.

0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:46.840
<v Speaker 4>It's like, what the hell was the point of that?

0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.800
<v Speaker 2>It should be like quidditch, just play until somebody scores.

0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:51.519
<v Speaker 4>If it takes a month, it takes a month.

0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.840
<v Speaker 5>It looks like that LAFC might be in the eighth

0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:01.359
<v Speaker 5>team like out of nine noe. So what does that

0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:05.280
<v Speaker 5>mean like ratings? Yeah, like where they following the raidings?

0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Ok, no, it looks like it looks like Vancouver is

0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.360
<v Speaker 5>in first place, Portland second, third is Austin, fourth, Minnesota fifth,

0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:19.160
<v Speaker 5>Colorado FC, Dallas is sixth, San Diego seventh, LA FC eighth, ninth, Seattle, ten,

0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.840
<v Speaker 5>Salt Lake, eleven, San Jose, twelve, Saint Louis, thirteen, Houston,

0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.600
<v Speaker 5>fourteen Sporting CAC and fifteen the LA Galaxy.

0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.440
<v Speaker 4>So no East Coast teams, Well, those.

0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.400
<v Speaker 5>That's the Western Conference in dot you got in the

0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:34.399
<v Speaker 5>Eastern Conference.

0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so there are there's.

0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I guess I don't know about, like how like.

0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.960
<v Speaker 3>The see this has when my eyes start lacing over

0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.640
<v Speaker 3>and I go, I don't have time for sports because

0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.760
<v Speaker 3>now I would have to like investing keeping track of

0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.240
<v Speaker 3>the stats and who's traded for what. And I'm like, Nope,

0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.360
<v Speaker 3>too much time, too much mental energy.

0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:52.560
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but going to a Gabe showing up and watching

0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.360
<v Speaker 3>them kick the ball around super fun. I had a

0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:57.720
<v Speaker 3>good time.

0:03:58.280 --> 0:03:59.480
<v Speaker 4>They're also incredible athletes.

0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean I I joke that you nothing happens in

0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.760
<v Speaker 2>ninety minutes, but they run essentially for an hour and

0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:05.040
<v Speaker 2>a half.

0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's crazy to watch. It really is crazy to watch.

0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.760
<v Speaker 5>We went to a King's playoff game, King's hockey game.

0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.280
<v Speaker 5>I got to I got to bang the drum. So

0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:14.840
<v Speaker 5>at the end of every period.

0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Wait, wait a minute, wait, like what do you mean

0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:19.400
<v Speaker 3>what is banging the.

0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.680
<v Speaker 5>Drum the end of every period or at the so

0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.200
<v Speaker 5>I think they do it before the game too, So

0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.200
<v Speaker 5>before the game and after every period there's a big

0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.039
<v Speaker 5>drum and somebody gets to bang the drum, going, go Kings, go,

0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.200
<v Speaker 5>and to get the whole crowd fired up.

0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.719
<v Speaker 4>And you got selected because your topanga. Of course, of course,

0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:39.400
<v Speaker 4>because ever go.

0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:45.000
<v Speaker 3>To anything and have a normal experience. She goes to concerts,

0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.360
<v Speaker 3>She's on stage within thirty seconds exactly.

0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.320
<v Speaker 4>I was playing drums for Rolling Stone this weekend.

0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Just picked up the guitar and jam to the sphere and.

0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.039
<v Speaker 5>It was It was a lot of fun. Mostly it

0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.920
<v Speaker 5>was fun because Adler was very excited about going with

0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.840
<v Speaker 5>me to bang the drum. And my kids then were like,

0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.520
<v Speaker 5>why do you get to be on the big TV?

0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.160
<v Speaker 5>Why can't be on the big question?

0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I've been asking since two thousands.

0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.520
<v Speaker 5>My kids had so much fun. Adler is such an

0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.039
<v Speaker 5>athlete and such a jock. He doesn't care what the

0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.520
<v Speaker 5>sport is. He's just in it and he wants to

0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.120
<v Speaker 5>know all about it. What are they doing now? And

0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:35.719
<v Speaker 5>why are they doing that? And so what's that? What's

0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.680
<v Speaker 5>a power play? And why is he in there? And

0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.960
<v Speaker 5>like we taught him about time out, the timeout and

0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.480
<v Speaker 5>the penalty box and uh, and he just sits there

0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.719
<v Speaker 5>the whole time, watching the entire entire thing. It got

0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.479
<v Speaker 5>to be pretty late and I was like, you know,

0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.000
<v Speaker 5>we have to go, and he was really bombed. He

0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:51.719
<v Speaker 5>didn't want to go, but it's a school night and

0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, you can't be out until eleven New Yours,

0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:56.239
<v Speaker 5>not even six.

0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.320
<v Speaker 2>It's such a change, though, from when he used to

0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.440
<v Speaker 2>bring in places and he like even sporting events, where

0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.000
<v Speaker 2>he was like, it's seven thirty, we gotta go.

0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:02.479
<v Speaker 4>We gotta go.

0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:03.320
<v Speaker 5>Is it getting dark?

0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:04.560
<v Speaker 4>I need to go now.

0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.960
<v Speaker 5>Now he thinks he's like real mister independent and he

0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.160
<v Speaker 5>didn't want to leave. But we got home. The game

0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.240
<v Speaker 5>still wasn't over, and I woke him up the next

0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.400
<v Speaker 5>morning for school and he went did the Kings win?

0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Just immediately needed to know.

0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:19.200
<v Speaker 5>It was so much fun.

0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.560
<v Speaker 4>So you guys had fun at sporting events. I had

0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.719
<v Speaker 4>like the best sandwich that was great?

0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:25.320
<v Speaker 5>Where from?

0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh I made it? Okay, okay, I wasn't gonna leave.

0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:28.680
<v Speaker 5>What was in it?

0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Peanut butter and jelly, no complicated ham, A little bit of.

0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Ham from new hot honey, uh swojo. We got it,

0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.279
<v Speaker 4>We got it, We got Is he not the best,

0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:41.200
<v Speaker 4>it's the greatest.

0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.760
<v Speaker 5>It's it's incredible, the hot honey sour dough.

0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:48.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that was my night. So okay, pretty happy, good for.

0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.800
<v Speaker 5>You, Pretty happy. Welcome to pod meets World.

0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilford.

0:06:53.600 --> 0:07:08.840
<v Speaker 5>Doe Oh, Welcome to today's episode. We are very excited

0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.200
<v Speaker 5>about our guest today. One of the more confusing parts

0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.520
<v Speaker 5>for us while recapping the show so intensely weak after

0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.239
<v Speaker 5>week has been the surprising string of additions and subtractions

0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.480
<v Speaker 5>from the writer's room in the later seasons, a musical

0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.040
<v Speaker 5>chairs of sorts. And because of this, we've heard a

0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.880
<v Speaker 5>bunch of names we don't remember, forcing even Will to admit, uh, nope,

0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:34.240
<v Speaker 5>can't place him, which is very hard to do. Before

0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.520
<v Speaker 5>the podcast, we would have thought we knew everyone who

0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.040
<v Speaker 5>wrote an episode, but now we know we are wrong,

0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.080
<v Speaker 5>which happens a lot like when we didn't remember that

0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.120
<v Speaker 5>episode that Love is Blind guy stole his quote from

0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:51.680
<v Speaker 5>We Got Your Many Many Emails. We have already recapped

0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.000
<v Speaker 5>that episode back in season three, so.

0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.720
<v Speaker 4>We got to the podcast.

0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Weirdcast every week will just be us listening.

0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:10.240
<v Speaker 5>To and then god, I think it was season three

0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.760
<v Speaker 5>episode one, and okay, so the trainy episode movie Theater

0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.120
<v Speaker 5>I'm Exploding your Head part five, that's that's season.

0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:17.640
<v Speaker 4>Three episode one.

0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, wow, jeez, there we go.

0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Get the big brain on, Brad, you know you.

0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.920
<v Speaker 5>Know, Okay, Well, enough of that. This week we are

0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.120
<v Speaker 5>introduced or maybe reintroduced to a writer with two very

0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.240
<v Speaker 5>important scripts to his name, season two's I Am Not

0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:40.080
<v Speaker 5>a Crook and season four's Uncle Daddy. He started his

0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.360
<v Speaker 5>career in the world of stand up comedy, surrounded by

0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.319
<v Speaker 5>some of the biggest names in the field, and then

0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.360
<v Speaker 5>transitioned into TV, writing not only for Boy Meets World,

0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.000
<v Speaker 5>but Sybil, Smart Guy and Michael Jacob's less known title.

0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.000
<v Speaker 5>Maybe this time he'd also end Jay Leno's Tonight Show

0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.000
<v Speaker 5>Writer's Room, a gig suited for his on stage experience,

0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.320
<v Speaker 5>all as he was still also performing stand up and

0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.480
<v Speaker 5>even owning his own legendary club in Philadelphia where he

0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.320
<v Speaker 5>booked some of the biggest legends to ever tell a joke.

0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.840
<v Speaker 5>The former professor and radio host also now finds time

0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.640
<v Speaker 5>to be an author, releasing a handful of books, including

0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.320
<v Speaker 5>his newest, a meta novel about Larry David with a

0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:22.720
<v Speaker 5>main character apparently different than the Larry David we all know. Okay,

0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.840
<v Speaker 5>that's just one of the things we need him to

0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:29.080
<v Speaker 5>explain the other. Why do we only kind of remember you?

0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.040
<v Speaker 5>He may not have ever won a super Bowl, but

0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.480
<v Speaker 5>today he's our Pod meets World MVP. It's time to

0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:37.880
<v Speaker 5>talk to Steve Young.

0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.440
<v Speaker 4>I can't wait to talk h about the Super Bowl.

0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.000
<v Speaker 5>I know he's gonna love him.

0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.959
<v Speaker 4>Amazing Number eight, number eight.

0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.199
<v Speaker 5>I did hear that? He there's another writer named Steve

0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.319
<v Speaker 5>Young and their checks used to get crossed. Oh my god,

0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.600
<v Speaker 5>I want to ask him about that. I want to know.

0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.400
<v Speaker 5>Did you ever you know, wouldn't it be great to

0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.560
<v Speaker 5>get your checks mixed up with Steve Young?

0:09:58.760 --> 0:09:59.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:09:59.240 --> 0:09:59.920
<v Speaker 5>The quarterback?

0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it wasn't Steve Young the quarterback.

0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.520
<v Speaker 5>Darn it. I know you said it was Steve. I

0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.200
<v Speaker 5>listened to another podcast you did, and I heard that

0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.400
<v Speaker 5>story and I thought, Man, if only it could have

0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.680
<v Speaker 5>gotten mixed up with the quarterback.

0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Huh, yeah it was. It was Steve Young who wrote

0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.760
<v Speaker 1>for Letterman and I wrote for Leno, and so it

0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:24.080
<v Speaker 1>got switched a lot, and hid, believe me, I would

0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:25.559
<v Speaker 1>rather have his checks.

0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.480
<v Speaker 5>Oh how are you?

0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm wonderful. I just took my mother to breakfast

0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't get back to my place fast enough,

0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.000
<v Speaker 1>So I'm now at my lovely daughter's house doing this.

0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And right away, by the way, you would know the

0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.800
<v Speaker 1>name of my daughter if you watched any of the

0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:53.000
<v Speaker 1>shows I wrote, because anytime you brought on a character

0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.320
<v Speaker 1>who is not a regular cast character, I named them

0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.120
<v Speaker 1>after my kids.

0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.280
<v Speaker 5>Tell us your kids' names Kelly.

0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:07.280
<v Speaker 1>And Casey, until Bob Young, the executive news here at

0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the time, said stop, you cannot dan for your kids.

0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.720
<v Speaker 4>That's right, Uncle Daddy. Wasn't her name? Her name was Kelly,

0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:17.560
<v Speaker 4>wasn't it? Yeah?

0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.760
<v Speaker 1>And Kelly is here today.

0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh that's so cool.

0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.160
<v Speaker 5>Okay, well, thank you so much for joining us. We

0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.680
<v Speaker 5>are collecting Boy Meets World writers like Pokemon, so you

0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.760
<v Speaker 5>got to catch them all first. Let's get a little

0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.440
<v Speaker 5>into your origin story. How did you find yourself doing

0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:37.079
<v Speaker 5>stand up?

0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Stand up? I can't. I couldn't do anything else,

0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean really, yeah, that was it. I started actually

0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:55.920
<v Speaker 1>when I was twenty twenty one standing in line at

0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the troupe door. That was the only place you could

0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:05.960
<v Speaker 1>do comedy at that time. And later on, when I

0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.680
<v Speaker 1>there was no comedy club, I came back to Philadelphia

0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and there were no comedy clubs, but there was a

0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.000
<v Speaker 1>group of people who were doing comedy, me included, and

0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I was the only one that could wear a three

0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:22.400
<v Speaker 1>piece suit and talk, and so I opened up a

0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:28.280
<v Speaker 1>club where actually I met Bob Young and Bob Meyer,

0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.360
<v Speaker 1>and I ended up managing them at the time, and

0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.280
<v Speaker 1>we all did stand up for years at that club.

0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:36.520
<v Speaker 4>What was the name of the club?

0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:37.880
<v Speaker 5>Tell us tell us.

0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.200
<v Speaker 1>About the club, the Comedy Works. It ran from about

0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.560
<v Speaker 1>eighty to ninety three, and we were fortunate enough we

0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.040
<v Speaker 1>came out at the time where I could book on

0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:53.720
<v Speaker 1>a weekly basis. Leno, Jim Carrey, signed Felt, Eddie Murphy,

0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody who they were, the young Gun. Yeah,

0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and at the time, although I will tell you that

0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Bob and Bob, Bob Meyer and Bob Young were is

0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.680
<v Speaker 1>good or better than any of them, I don't know.

0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Mostly your familiarity is with them on you know, just

0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.040
<v Speaker 1>on a set. But actually, if if you look on

0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the wall or the outer wall of the Comedy Store,

0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.080
<v Speaker 1>there's Bob Myern, Bob Young.

0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.400
<v Speaker 5>So you you did you own the club or you

0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:27.520
<v Speaker 5>were just running a club?

0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I owned it, Okay, So you.

0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.000
<v Speaker 5>Owned a club and then you were also a manager.

0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I was also a manager, and I couldn't see. The

0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.320
<v Speaker 1>thing is I couldn't do anything well. So what I

0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:44.760
<v Speaker 1>tried to do is a little of everything right.

0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.160
<v Speaker 5>And you were also a comedian, so you owned a club,

0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.800
<v Speaker 5>you managed other comedians, and you yourself then performed at

0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:52.400
<v Speaker 5>your club.

0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming yes, yes, yeah, they wuldn't allowing me you

0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.320
<v Speaker 1>to perform. There's a restraining order at other clubs.

0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.160
<v Speaker 2>My favorite thing in the world is going through the

0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.400
<v Speaker 2>list of the big comedy clubs what they're called. They're

0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.400
<v Speaker 2>always like Chortle and the Haha House, right and all

0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.720
<v Speaker 2>like so just to hear comedy works is yeah.

0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.800
<v Speaker 1>So let's well, let me let me backstory. When about

0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.040
<v Speaker 1>a week before we were going to open up, a

0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.400
<v Speaker 1>number of people, uh, we were at a restaurant trying

0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.160
<v Speaker 1>to decide on the name of the club, and we

0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:33.240
<v Speaker 1>had had a few extra Uh. We were loaded dollars

0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.960
<v Speaker 1>dollars and we were we were uh, we were sitting

0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.360
<v Speaker 1>around and I came up with I thought the best

0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.360
<v Speaker 1>name would be Comedy Shmamedy. And the reason would be

0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.000
<v Speaker 1>if people would call information for the name, uh, you know,

0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.800
<v Speaker 1>to the club, what's the name, and the person would

0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.880
<v Speaker 1>say the operator when they had operators, would say what's

0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.800
<v Speaker 1>what's the name? Uh, and and the person would have

0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.280
<v Speaker 1>to say Comedy Shmamedy, And it would be pretty hard

0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.440
<v Speaker 1>not to laugh, right, right, just for saying it. And

0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the radio person who was at that dinner, who's going

0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.640
<v Speaker 1>to promote for us, thought we stuck with that name.

0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.200
<v Speaker 1>But we did get sober. And when we got sober,

0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I actually I actually had to get sober because this

0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.720
<v Speaker 1>is a true story. I walked into an Olive Garden restaurant.

0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was an Italian restaurant.

0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.920
<v Speaker 5>Well, I guess we could say goodbye to Olive Garden.

0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.120
<v Speaker 4>Endless breadsticks and laughs. That's what I'm telling you.

0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:42.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, so out of everyone who came by comedy works,

0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.480
<v Speaker 5>who do you think had the funniest set? I know

0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.840
<v Speaker 5>you said Bob Young's pretty great. Who who had the

0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:47.520
<v Speaker 5>funniest set?

0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.320
<v Speaker 1>There were? First of all, Leno was you have to

0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:56.840
<v Speaker 1>see Leno in the club, not uh Leno. There was

0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a comedian named Bob Nelson who's still around and a

0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:06.480
<v Speaker 1>killer act. Mac and Jamie were a comedy team and

0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and wonderful. But I could go down, Oh, Jim Carrey,

0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the microphone went out and we it was sat three

0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty people. The microphone went out. He ended

0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:22.680
<v Speaker 1>up doing the set where he would tell the joke

0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.880
<v Speaker 1>and then the audience would roar and then shut up

0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.600
<v Speaker 1>immediately because they knew they had to shut up to

0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.920
<v Speaker 1>hear the next joke. He would tell the next joke

0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and roar and then shut up immediately.

0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:35.000
<v Speaker 2>It was.

0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.440
<v Speaker 1>It was a brilliant night. Jim Carrey as no one

0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.640
<v Speaker 1>is better. There might be people that say, but no

0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.480
<v Speaker 1>one was better in terms of the guys that came

0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:49.120
<v Speaker 1>through in the last forty so years. Wow, man, except

0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.760
<v Speaker 1>for Buddy Hackett. Because he just saw that Buddy Hackett

0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was one.

0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.120
<v Speaker 5>Another world alone.

0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:55.720
<v Speaker 4>He was exactly That's what I know.

0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, because he could not get Sandy. And the

0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.640
<v Speaker 1>thing is, the thing is I didn't know that. I mean,

0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I love Buddy Hackett. I saw that. Oh my god,

0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I was ready to show that Buddy Hackett actually appeared. Okay.

0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So as a manager and then club owner, did

0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.240
<v Speaker 5>other comedians start to see you as a suit Was

0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.879
<v Speaker 5>it hard to stay like one of the boys.

0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Actually, when I went out to Los Angeles and

0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I auditioned for Mitzie Shore at the Start Start. Yeah,

0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.920
<v Speaker 1>my friend and comedian who started our club, Judy Toll.

0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:37.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you remember.

0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:38.960
<v Speaker 4>I loved Judy so much.

0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.720
<v Speaker 1>She was so so I mean, Judy was the best

0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.840
<v Speaker 1>and I, you know, from from Philly, and I still

0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.840
<v Speaker 1>think of her whole time. Uh. So Judy sat with

0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Mitzi and kept Mitzi's head pointing towards the audience because

0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Mitzie could care less about what's on state. I mean,

0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.680
<v Speaker 1>she was looking at uh the stage with her help,

0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Judy's help. And it was a night that I actually

0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I just blew the audience away. And Mitzi said to Judy,

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.639
<v Speaker 1>how come I don't know about him and all? And

0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:14.520
<v Speaker 1>she would not tell him that I was a club

0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:21.440
<v Speaker 1>owner because her and over at the improv. But Freedman,

0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.560
<v Speaker 1>it was bad to say you were a club owner

0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.160
<v Speaker 1>because we're in fact. Marjorie Gross, who was a brilliant

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:33.359
<v Speaker 1>comedy writer and a comedian, Yeah, uh, she sat was

0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.080
<v Speaker 1>sitting on the balcony of my club one one night

0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.240
<v Speaker 1>during the show, and she turns to me and she said,

0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't seem like a club owner. And it was

0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the nicest thing anybody ever said to me. I really

0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:46.280
<v Speaker 1>took that as quite a compliment.

0:18:46.400 --> 0:19:00.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're like, thank you. So when does the idea

0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.960
<v Speaker 5>of TV writing cross your mind? How does how does

0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:05.439
<v Speaker 5>that enter your world?

0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I guess we all we all wanted to be

0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:15.000
<v Speaker 1>writers like on SNL or Mad TV not Mad TV,

0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:20.640
<v Speaker 1>well yeah, Mad TV, or or as the second Citty,

0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:26.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know the great sket shows. And I mean,

0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I love I watched Johnny Carson every night. I fell

0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.639
<v Speaker 1>asleep to Johnny, you know. And the first person on

0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the show was always a comedian at the beginning, and

0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I lived and died with every comedian that went on there.

0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.200
<v Speaker 1>If he did good or bad, it was I mean,

0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:48.560
<v Speaker 1>my mother had a stack of comedy albums that I

0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.800
<v Speaker 1>would listen to, the ones I was allowed to listen to. Yes,

0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.280
<v Speaker 1>back then, you weren't allowed to listen to until they

0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.320
<v Speaker 1>went out, and my sister and I would listen to them.

0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.400
<v Speaker 4>So wait, so it was Is it true?

0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.520
<v Speaker 2>There was an entire like a system on Johnny Carson

0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.440
<v Speaker 2>if you were a comedian of how you were treated

0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 2>by Johnny would dictate how your career would go or

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.680
<v Speaker 2>how you did that night. Where it was like if

0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.640
<v Speaker 2>he invited you over to the couch, you were made

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:17.000
<v Speaker 2>right after yours.

0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely that was a different time. If you did Carson,

0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.000
<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal number one. But if he

0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.320
<v Speaker 1>called you over to the couch or he gave you

0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.400
<v Speaker 1>a wink and did this, Yeah you were you were

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.879
<v Speaker 1>made Stephen Wright his first, his first set there. He

0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:39.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted him back within the week. We booked Steve Wright

0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.960
<v Speaker 1>that week because his agent called me up and said,

0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.119
<v Speaker 1>he just said Carson and he just killed. We have

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.399
<v Speaker 1>no place to put him. So I ended up putting

0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.359
<v Speaker 1>them on for ten minutes in Philly. I paid him

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty dollars for four shows after he

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:59.960
<v Speaker 1>killed on Carson and I couldn't. I had already Professor

0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:06.720
<v Speaker 1>and Corey uh Wayne Cotter, the legendary with another the

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 1>show was full of people who kill them and so

0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:14.359
<v Speaker 1>to have him come on, but because the point is

0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.919
<v Speaker 1>like Paul Prevenza, Blue Bleu, Boway.

0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.360
<v Speaker 4>Freddy Prince, Freddy Prince when he went to his whole life. Yeah,

0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:23.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean that was incredible.

0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 1>If you if you had a good set there, everybody

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.639
<v Speaker 1>in the industry knew about you.

0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Wright has one of my favorite jokes of all

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.680
<v Speaker 2>time where he just says, I have a decaffeinated coffee table.

0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 4>You can't tell by looking at it. That's such a

0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:38.400
<v Speaker 4>good joke.

0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Actually actually did one the other day I met. I

0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:47.000
<v Speaker 1>actually gave him credit, but it was, Uh, you can't

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.399
<v Speaker 1>have everything where we did put it right.

0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.240
<v Speaker 5>So what are a few of the major differences between

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.920
<v Speaker 5>the LA and the Philly comedy scene.

0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, back then, the philadelph comedy scene was great. I

0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:09.640
<v Speaker 1>mean those people who were Tom Wilson, they they were

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.520
<v Speaker 1>amateurs basically when we started, and they were good when

0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:17.720
<v Speaker 1>we started. And Myron Young and Mike and Dwayne Cotter

0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and these people. When New York Comics or LA Comics

0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:26.880
<v Speaker 1>came in, accustomed to be the headliner and just blow

0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.919
<v Speaker 1>everybody away, had to work really hard because when you

0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 1>were working every night at the three hundred and fifty

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 1>night seat theater, you had to be good. And it

0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 1>was quite a mixed audience, so you can't just walk

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 1>in like Dennis Miller I had the middle Eddie Murphy,

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:48.879
<v Speaker 1>I middled because the Philadelphia acts were better than the

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 1>headliners were good, really good, but just the laughter would

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.680
<v Speaker 1>bounce off the walls and just sound like a roar

0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 1>every night. That's what the FULLY comics expected and pretty

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 1>much that's what they did.

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 2>And did you discover anybody, did you? I mean, in

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 2>your in your club? Is there anybody from Philly that

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:10.879
<v Speaker 2>you were like? This is the guy or the woman

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:12.760
<v Speaker 2>that then became somebody huge.

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh I guess the closest that is Tom Wilson. Yeah,

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I mean Tom did it on his own.

0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.199
<v Speaker 1>But Tom what Uh? He worked my steps. So we

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>were on the third floor and he his big job

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.880
<v Speaker 1>was saying stay to the right, stay to the right. Stay.

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 1>That was it. That was his opening act. And then

0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 1>when uh, he wanted to go on stage, I said, okay,

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.120
<v Speaker 1>five minutes, five minutes, I'll give you, and he went

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 1>on stage early, five minutes killed.

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Then within i'd say a month and a half he

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 1>was headlining. You couldn't help but headlining. He's so charming,

0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:51.440
<v Speaker 1>so funny, and and a good looking guy and obviously

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:52.919
<v Speaker 1>a very good actor.

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah I got to direct him. I got to be

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 5>his director.

0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Really.

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he was unbelieve the ball.

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>And a really nice guy. And are you familiar with

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Ralph Harris. No, Ralph actually had a show on one

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of the primetime networks and he played every character, most

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 1>every character he could do. That was part of his act.

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>And Ralph worked on the Steps for me too, and

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.160
<v Speaker 1>then got his own TV show and I'm not sure

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>but network, but it was one of the three primary networks.

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:28.960
<v Speaker 1>So there were a lot of guys who came through

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>who aren't weren't necessary that next day they became a star.

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 1>But I would say most anybody who came through, if

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 1>you would ask the comedian that play back there, they

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>will say they loved the club. It was. It was

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>just the audience was great, the shows were always great,

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:55.479
<v Speaker 1>the number of acts that were on there, and and

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.199
<v Speaker 1>we were we always were inmates running the aside. We

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>never felt like we were the corporate part of it.

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.919
<v Speaker 1>We always felt that we were we were we were

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 1>all comedians too, and in effect we were all comedians.

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 5>So your first TV writing credit is on a show

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 5>called Me and the Boys, which was an ABC sitcom

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:19.199
<v Speaker 5>starring Madge Sinclair and Steve Harvey. Did you did you

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.720
<v Speaker 5>know what to do in the writer's room or did

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:24.719
<v Speaker 5>you just slide in and learn as you go?

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is this is funny.

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 6>I yeah, So I pitched and as an outsider, and uh,

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 6>back then you had I don't still have to hire

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 6>these two freelancers a year and I wrote the script

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:43.199
<v Speaker 6>and I thought it was pretty good, and uh in the.

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Writer's room where I sat, but I really was not

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 1>part of the writer's room here because I was an

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 1>outside of bringing the script and excuse me. I came

0:25:52.320 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 1>to the reading and uh, I didn't hear a word

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>that was mine. And I actually at the end, you know,

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>nobody left, nobody left, and I was sitting there, you know,

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>in the network thanking me for writing the script, and

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, I'll never I'll never work again. It was.

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>It was so bad. And it's not anybody particularly fault.

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 1>This is what it ended up being. And the uh,

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I the next time I came into a writer's room

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>or a reading, I would always sit down and say,

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>please take a look at a page twenty five, third

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>line down, the second conjunction, and is mine.

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:47.959
<v Speaker 5>Right?

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? It was. It was. It was tough, but the opportunity,

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>excuse me to do it was wonderful.

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 5>Okay, So I want to get to eventually you are

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 5>in nineteen ninety five. You are now a part of

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 5>Boy Meets World, but you also have credits on another

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 5>Michael Jacobs show, maybe this time with Marie Osmond and

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 5>Betty White. How did you end up in the Michael

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 5>Jacobs orbit.

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.919
<v Speaker 1>I really didn't end up in the Michael Jacobs he

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>was great. But it wasn't the Michael Jacobs. It was

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the Bob Yo Bob.

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, we keep hearing that more and more.

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Bob, first of all, he still is. I mean,

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 1>he's a wonderful guy. He's been a friend for years

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know we all started together, and just a

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 1>sweet guy. He really did not belong to TV.

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 5>He was too too kind.

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, always too kind. And every time I get

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>a residual check, especially from Boy Meets World, I always

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>hold it up say thank you. Bob.

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 5>Oh, did you know what Boy Meets World was before

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 5>you wrote your first script? How did it work out

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 5>that you so? Okay? I have to know? Were you

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 5>also a freelance writer for Boy Meets World?

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Ah? Yeah, yeah, I think no I knew about Boyne

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>was great. You guys were terrific. I always tell people

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the reason Boy Meets World was great, Well, they had

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>good writers and Michael Jacobs and all, but this was

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>a perfect cast. This the cast makes the show. And

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you guys were easy to write for because the first

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 1>script I ever wrote was a cheers and it uh it.

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I said, I can't write it Cheers It's it's way

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 1>too good. How can I write it. When I started writing,

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>it was easy because the characters were so well defined

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>that if I put the character's name down, it's said

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>that character said, that character would say. And I just

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>my fingers just followed the characters. I you know, I

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel it was me boy meets World, Uh, same thing.

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Although there was a particular point where I felt really

0:28:55.560 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 1>bad because I'm not going to use your name. Topanga

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>started crying on the set because you couldn't get the

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>line the way Michael Jacobs want.

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 5>This is what this is what I will remember, Yes,

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 5>you will remembered this. When we did the recap of

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 5>the episode, he was like, Danielle, don't you remember this?

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, what are you talking about? And

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 5>he was like, you cried in front of everybody.

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I felt so bad, like you know, you know, it's

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>like I killed her.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 7>I they may have been your words, but I don't

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 7>think you were the one insisting I say it exactly

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 7>the way you wanted it, right.

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Michael, yeah, push pushing it at

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>that time. I don't know what you know, he wasn't directing, But.

0:29:52.480 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 5>There's a fine line between the director and Michael Jacobs.

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>But you still you still you're a writer. As a writer,

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you stay back, you don't participate. I remember when I

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>did maybe this time, and Marie Osmond is the sweetest

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>person in the world. Betty White was just the consummate pro.

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I remember standing on seid. I would always write in

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>lines for myself that I could do off screen, like

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>a radio broadcast or something like that, because I could

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>get scale, you know, for just doing it. And Bob

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yam also told me stop doing that.

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>So just doing voice over the whole time, just saying

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Kelly and Casey over and.

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Over again, pretty much pretty much.

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>And luckily I didn't have any more kids, because you know,

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have to stay writing the Uh. Marie asked me.

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I was standing to the side when I was doing

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>during rehearsal where I would I would do. I think

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>it was a race. There was a horse race, and

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I was doing the character of the sportscaster. Uh and

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>play by playing and uh, Marie come Ben's talks to

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>me on the side. She leans over and she said,

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>how should I say this LINEH to a writer who's

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>working there. First of all, you'd never tell anybody to

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:27.239
<v Speaker 1>set how to say rhyme. That's really all horrible. But

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the director was watching her talking to me and I

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>got and I didn't answer. I didn't answer. I think,

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>should you know, uh, you could talk to Bob you know, whoever.

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 5>Whoever was directing.

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but that was an interesting experience because that

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>was a great cast too at that point at the time,

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>they really I forget who the young girl's name was

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>on that. I love her. She did a lot, a

0:31:54.240 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of work. But the Johnson job.

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 4>I just spoke to Ashley not too long ago. She's wonderful.

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, if you ever run into her again, I love

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>her mother or sister. I mean, just you know, great, great,

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing when you do a show, you and here,

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm a writer. I'm not down on the set.

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the writer's room. But there still ended up

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>being some sort of familyness that forms with everybody. And

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>you know that show that that show had, you know,

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>it was quite the family. Even though we you know,

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the first of all, the title was horrible. It was

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 1>made for critics. Maybe this time, you know what I mean,

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>just it was we tried to change beforehand. Can we

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>get up with a better uh name? But that's what

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>we ended ended up with. And you know, I mean

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 1>this show. I mean it was going opposite Jack and

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I I don't know if it would have

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>lasted anyway, but it was a really nice experience because

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.959
<v Speaker 1>people friends of Betty would come in all the time,

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know, Carol Channing calling me over. Oh man,

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I still have the script. They all signed it. She

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>knew that I wrote the script and she started talking

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to me about, you know, the script, and it was

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>funny and all that. And all I'm thinking is Carol

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Channing sounds just.

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 5>Like herself, so much like Carol chan Yeah, I couldn't.

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was so I never got over being

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>in awe of these great people who were around. There

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of people I have disdained for, but I'm

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about just the experience, experience that you know the

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>people when you run into these people. And Betty became

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the reason that I published my first book.

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 5>And which was what's the name your first book?

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Great Failures of the Extremely Successful Why. I interviewed many

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 1>high profile people on the traumas they went through in

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 1>their life, and overcame them, uh Arn Brockovich, Teddy Pendergrass,

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>uh Tony Curtis, John Wooden, I mean, but but it

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:31.240
<v Speaker 1>was her, Larry, Larry Gilberts exactly. He became a mentor

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>of mine. He sent me over to his publisher and

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go into the long story, but

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 1>it was something I wrote, wrote for Written by magazine

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>that he thought was a book. I said, and I'd

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>never written a book. I don't know how to, you know,

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything about He said, I'm sending you

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 1>over to my publisher. And I did not have a

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>what I wrote. They said, well, we're looking for something

0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a little more uplifting and you know, hopefully some

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, that can help people. And I said, I

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>have an idea, and I interviewed Betty White. I said, Betty,

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.359
<v Speaker 1>would your mind if I would interview the subject? And

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>they bought it right on her chapter. And so I

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>became an author, you know, basically, you know, because of

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Betty White.

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I have to so my friends here, my

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 2>fellow co hosts, know how addicted I am to mash

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 2>It's one of It's basically the reason I became an actor.

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 4>So can you just what was it like working with

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:31.320
<v Speaker 4>Larry gelbart.

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Well? First, of all, I wrote an article. It's written

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.439
<v Speaker 1>by magazine still out there. You know it's the Writer's Guild.

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, magazine, I think ye. Actually, okay, I was.

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I was contributing editor there and I wrote I wrote

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a story. Uh you know, as I was getting older

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 1>and you know, there was ages, and so I wrote

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 1>an article that, uh, I'm not a young television writer,

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>but I played one on TV. It was all. It

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>was a chapter from a book called You'll Never Write

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>in This Town Again, And in it I gave examples

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>of how to fool executive producers into thinking that you

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>were younger. And I would say, like, when you pitch

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 1>an idea, and make sure you do it laying on

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>the floor so the moose skin from the front of

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 1>your face would fall to the back of your head.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>And always always be close enough to the desk that

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>you could sit like this as you're discussing, so they

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 1>don't see your neck. The idea, the idea was. It

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>was all farce. I put nobody's name in there except one.

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I said, never put any award that was prior to

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>two thousand on your resume, Oscar, Emmy, Tony, whatever, unless

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>you're Larry Gilbert. I did that because I knew Larry

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>would read it, and he did get in contact with me.

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 1>And let me just tell you, I teach a lot

0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 1>of business classes and leadership and all. I talk a

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>lot about mentors. So I talk a lot about Larry

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 1>because I heard him speak at at a w G

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>A thing and I went like, he's great and I

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>want to get to know him. Uh. He gave his

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>time to me all the time. It was such, he

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 1>was such a manch so and the fact that he

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>was here, I'm going to age it out here because

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:25.359
<v Speaker 1>he was part of the Sid Caesar legacy. Your show,

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Your show shows and and and all the brilliant writers

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>that were on that show mel Brooks and and Neil

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Simon and uh even Woody Allen was writing there one year.

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 1>To me, it was like, oh my god, that's you know,

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm so close to genius here. Uh. Not not that

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I was getting closer. I just meant I was physical proximity.

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.240
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, he's a wonderful He was a wonderful person.

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 4>Amazing.

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 5>Getting back to your time on Boy Meets World, you

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 5>were on set for the tape night where I burst

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 5>into tears in front of everybody. Did you get to

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 5>spend the entire week in the writer's room, because we've

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 5>we've interviewed some other writers that were freelance writers and

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 5>they never even made it to set at all. Did

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 5>your relationship with Bob give you the opportunity to be

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 5>inside the writer's room?

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I got to be in the writer's room. I've

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 1>got I got the pitch during the show, I cheated

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and Bob cheated. That's so great and letting me be

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 1>part of it, and down for the table read and

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 1>the and the end going up for the rewrites and

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, even you guys did the show,

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 1>uh that I wasn't part of, and I was on.

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>I came in and I just you know, was on

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the stage and there was one discussion and I mentioned

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.839
<v Speaker 1>the line to Bob. I said, why don't you try this?

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>And he actually put it in the show, and you know,

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and so I didn't get paid for.

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 5>That should retroactive.

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 1>But the line was, oh, I can't remember what the

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 1>line was, but I was going back to if you're

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.919
<v Speaker 1>talking about line uh the book that I wrote about

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>learning from failure and mistakes, etcetera, etcetera, And and if

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>you want to do something, If you have a passion

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>to do it, you should do it, no matter what

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>parents say, no matter what coaches saying. Oh, this is

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>a true story. When Beethoven was just a young child,

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>he was told that he could never play music because

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 1>he was deaf. But did he listen? I feel like

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm on your couch. I don't know

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>if he listened. It was a long time ago.

0:39:56.239 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 5>I did writing for a family sitcom hold any weight

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 5>among your comedy peers? Or did you try to hide

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:09.479
<v Speaker 5>that job?

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, it seems like I'm kissing up here constantly.

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 1>But you guys, such a It's a great show and

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful cast. And by the way, I thought Ben

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Savage was going to become the next Albert Brooks. I

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>really thought his delivery and a lot of deadpan and

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. He seemed to have that sense that

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Albert Books was one of my is one of my idols.

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 1>So you know that it didn't feel like a family show.

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 1>It felt like a classic show. So I mean, what

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 1>did I watch? I had to watch a lot of

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>shows because I was going to end up writing, because

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I wrote a lot of family shows, and that would happen.

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>But my my thing satire and political humor and and

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, really things that you I wrote. I wrote,

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>was it me and the boys? Oh no, it was

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the smart guy. I wrote a smart guy. And every

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>time I would come into a show, I would pitch,

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 1>usually that the one of the kids got drunk, or

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>one of the kids was found with a gun, or

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the kids. I always always pitched basically.

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 5>You wanted to write a very special episode.

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, And I pitched this one where Taj, Yeah, Taj

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 1>got drunk at a party.

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 5>I mean, here's the episode.

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Never too young, Yes he was either twelve or thirteen

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>years old and all that stuff. And everybody went, no, no, no,

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.360
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to put Taje in that situation. I

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 1>get a phone call at the beginning of the next

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>season that's remember that pitch that you made, come in,

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:06.399
<v Speaker 1>We're going to do it. And it was. It was

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>because the I don't know if it was a Biden administration,

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>but whatever they wanted ANTII drinking, anti gun type messages

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and they would pay the networks for it. And uh

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 1>so I got called in to write the script and

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>an actual edgy script, and I won the not the

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 1>amount I was nominated for you man a tanas You

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't pronounce it right, okay, but you said, but you

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 1>used all the letters there exactly humaniti something like that.

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I was nominated for that, and I and I won

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 1>another award for writing that because it was you know,

0:42:55.840 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 1>real life uh stuff, So I got to write, you know,

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>other things than just faun and I wrote for Sybil.

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think that was a family show. Yeah,

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 1>that was more of an you know, adults get to

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 1>watch the shows too.

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 4>Can I.

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 2>When you were doing Moreman World, how old were your

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 2>kids were they of of t G if watching age?

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:25.839
<v Speaker 1>No, they were younger than that. That's why I could.

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:30.439
<v Speaker 1>I once put them and my whole family on eBay, uh,

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 1>to sell the family. Yeah, and I took them, by

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the way. I pitched that as a show too.

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 5>But we actually the dad sells his family on eBay.

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I did that too, And it was back when

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 1>people weren't doing that, and they were like four and

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 1>five at the time, so they couldn't really figure out.

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's about this time. Uh okay, they they didn't

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>know except today it's like there's a picture of my

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>daughter when she was an infant in Betty White's arms

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and she never thought anything about it. She said, when

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>she went to college and she showed it, everybody went crazy.

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>It was a great conversation starter because I think Betty

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>ended up doing SNL and they did that commercial where

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 1>she changed into another person by eating a certain candypark. Anyway,

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>so they were younger. But believe me, she can't wait

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:33.879
<v Speaker 1>to tell all her friends I'm doing this.

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 8>Oh oh, So as a big comedy nerd growing up,

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 8>you watched Carson's Tonight Show religiously and then you end

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.240
<v Speaker 8>up writing the Tonight Show with Jay Leno.

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 5>That must have been quite a moment for you.

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:50.919
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of cool. First of all, Jay worked

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>for me for a number of years, so I guess

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it was a little bit of you know, payback.

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, a little full circle swittering exactly.

0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:06.479
<v Speaker 1>And the thing is it was monologue writing, so it

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>was really what happened that day or whatever, and you know,

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 1>you give about you pitch about five hundred jokes and

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>they go that one's good, you know. So it wasn't

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 1>exactly where you sit there and go, hey, this is

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 1>just a wonderful environment where my creativity is looked on

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>as broken it was. And as I said before, what

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you had to write for Jay is nowhere near as

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:38.240
<v Speaker 1>funny as he was. And yeah, in the club person

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>you would be double over for an hour and a

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 1>such a mechanic. He just knew. He still knows how

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 1>to make it work. On the tonight show, he was

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 1>working to a very watered down audience. Yeah, and that's

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 1>what you're supposed to do.

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 4>But you're still doing.

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Man, you're starting just I'm thinking comedically, every single night

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 2>is a new five minute bit. Yeah much for them

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.879
<v Speaker 2>on I mean that's oh yeah crazy, that's when you're

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:06.800
<v Speaker 2>you're thinking about it from a comic standpoint, that's just nuts.

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.000
<v Speaker 3>And how big would the writing stuff be? How many

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 3>how many writers would be sitting around right now?

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, there are a lot of inside outside writers. When

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 1>when I was writing, I was an outside writer, and

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I would, you know, every day, be sending the stuff

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>in and he would go over his house with a

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>bunch of people and go through all the material and

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 1>see what they would use. So you know, they were

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 1>about twelve writers. Twelve writers at any time, I mean

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:40.279
<v Speaker 1>with you guys, there were about ten writers. Yeah, you know,

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>and still you figure all those writers and all those rewrites,

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:45.279
<v Speaker 1>you would figure something good would come out of it.

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, such a shame.

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:53.400
<v Speaker 1>By the way I looked, I did a little cheating.

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 1>So I went back and looked at shows, and then

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I looked with somebody had put I think you guys

0:46:57.680 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 1>did one hundred and fifty six shows something like that,

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and I think Uncle Daddy is like twelve or something

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 1>like that rated. So I felt really good about that.

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, people loved it.

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 5>People love that episode. It's a great one.

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:16.439
<v Speaker 1>It was so real, and it was based on I think,

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, in part about my life. You know, you

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 1>date somebody with kids, and you know you have to. Hey,

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 1>so how you doing there, buddy Pale? You know, right right?

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>And so you tried to in this case, you tried

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>to write it the way it should be, not the way.

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 1>But it was wonderful right up to the last second

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that the kid could have been murdered. But you know,

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.879
<v Speaker 1>everything up to that was just so sweet, just so right,

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you should do. And I really did, you know,

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get along. I like the kids better than

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I like the girl, you know, I mean, when you

0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>meet them, it's kind of it's kind of fun to

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:02.520
<v Speaker 1>play with the young kids and all. And yeah, I

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:06.359
<v Speaker 1>made a lot of a lot of it. I had

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of experiences with children as part of a

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, a family that wasn't your family.

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.399
<v Speaker 5>Did you end up also, did that relationship end and

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 5>you decided that it wasn't for you to have kids

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 5>at that time?

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh? At that time, Oh yeah, I mean I I

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 1>was not taking so off. I was stressed over everything.

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I've been sober for thirty five years. Not that I was,

0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's horrible drunk or anything like that, but

0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.319
<v Speaker 1>I drank and it wasn't doing any good. And so

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:48.400
<v Speaker 1>at that time I was not making commitments to anybody.

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I could be charming, or at least I thought I

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.760
<v Speaker 1>was right. You know, when you're drinking, you don't exactly

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:58.400
<v Speaker 1>know if you're charming, right, you think you are. But

0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:02.279
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, later on I stopped drinking, you know,

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and everything, and that's when I ended up getting married

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in and and reversing the visecond.

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 4>And then you had children or you just bought your

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:12.880
<v Speaker 4>family anybay.

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I would have done that if I would

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>have known. That saved a lot of money.

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 5>So when did you decide to start writing books?

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was when when our show Maybe This Time

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 1>was we got the word that it was going on

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:33.480
<v Speaker 1>affair and and uh, I said to somebody. Somebody said

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 1>you should write a book, and I said, I do

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 1>not write a book. They said you would write what

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:41.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I said, well, I'm really good at failure.

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:45.839
<v Speaker 1>I've practiced it for years, I know. And and that

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:46.600
<v Speaker 1>became you.

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:48.760
<v Speaker 5>Know, that became your first book, Yeah, Betty.

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Then there were a couple of children's shows I pitched

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:57.240
<v Speaker 1>and did not sell. Oh when I saw the Disney channel. Uh,

0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and they gave it back to me after they ruined

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.280
<v Speaker 1>it by giving it to an executive producer who didn't

0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>get it. It was about a boy who could go back

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 1>in time, but only fifteen seconds. That's all he could do.

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes he would go back in time the watch

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 1>he was where and would do it without him. No,

0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes, I'm sorry, fifteen minutes, go back in time.

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 1>And I wrote it as a book, sold it to

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 1>HarperCollins because we weren't able to make it there. Then

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I wrote another book for HarperCollins, and then I had

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:34.560
<v Speaker 1>a thing with Larry David and U show. No. It

0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:39.880
<v Speaker 1>was a conversation with Larry David that we were I

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 1>was going to do an article on him, and it's

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 1>too long the story to tell. But I ended up

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:47.959
<v Speaker 1>writing it into a book and it's called the Larry

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 1>David Code, and it's how Larry Saves the world.

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.919
<v Speaker 5>But I mean, and that's the Larry David we all

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 5>know and love, or is this a different version of

0:50:58.200 --> 0:50:58.719
<v Speaker 5>Larry David.

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting because if you would read the preface of

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the book, it does explain that there is a Larry

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:10.200
<v Speaker 1>David who was very successful, very popular, very attractive man.

0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 1>This is not this Larry. Uh. This Larry David is

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.879
<v Speaker 1>very similar to that Larry David. But it's not that

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Larry David. And I have written notes to all of

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>my attorneys to let them know.

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:25.920
<v Speaker 5>Let them know it's a totally different.

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:29.240
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't. I didn't. I put in my drawer

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:33.959
<v Speaker 1>for years, and I showed it to Richard Lewis, who

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 1>was a friend, and he said, you gotta you gotta

0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 1>publish it. I said, well, Larry might get upset it

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 1>screw Larry, you know.

0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:44.479
<v Speaker 4>And wasn't he Larry's best friend too?

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:48.799
<v Speaker 3>Richard Lewis.

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, it wasn't different. Richard Lewis too, Yeah.

0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.960
<v Speaker 5>Very another very good looking, very successful.

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, there are there are. There are plenty of

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 1>them in the book, and coincidentally, all with similar names to.

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 5>Some very I mean, we've named three Steve Young's on

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 5>this podcast alone, and there are others.

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:16.359
<v Speaker 1>My son represented Steve Young, a country singer. Oh and

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I got a check of his at one time too.

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 5>And did you want to be you or did you

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 5>want to be him?

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:25.040
<v Speaker 1>He was better than me.

0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:26.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you wanted to be him.

0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 1>They're all better than me.

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.839
<v Speaker 5>So you have also taught writing at Temple. You were

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.480
<v Speaker 5>a political radio host. You are a bit of a

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:36.399
<v Speaker 5>renaissance man.

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I was a political on air America. And keep in

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:44.399
<v Speaker 1>mind how well America did so I'm sure that both

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 1>of my listeners were devastated when we ended. But yeah

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I did that. I was political editor of National Lampoon

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.320
<v Speaker 1>for a while. That was fun. That was because National

0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Lampoon was a big deal for me when I was

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid. But yeah, I told you,

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I did as much as I could because I couldn't

0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>do anything well. And it was really you know, as

0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:14.320
<v Speaker 1>it came in front of me, because like, I flunked

0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 1>out of four different colleges without ever getting a credit,

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 1>so that was a lot.

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:20.799
<v Speaker 5>How does one do that?

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's interesting. I flunked out the first year and

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.440
<v Speaker 1>then I went and they said, you have to go

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 1>back to night school to uh to get back into

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the day school. And people said, you can't flunk night school.

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.279
<v Speaker 1>That's like a possibility. So I took it as a

0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:41.239
<v Speaker 1>challenge and I ended up flunking out.

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.439
<v Speaker 4>Were you just not going? I mean, that's the only

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:46.840
<v Speaker 4>way to flunk out of night school.

0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I went and I took a public speaking course and

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 1>I funked it there. I I found out later that

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I had a learning disability and so I couldn't retain

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.080
<v Speaker 1>any information and that that was it. Then I went

0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in the army and I and I flunked out of

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:06.799
<v Speaker 1>the army. They said, I think we would be better

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>if you would.

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 3>You would not be here anymore, and so I went

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 3>back to the surge country by getting out of the army.

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:21.920
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So, by the way, that's why the book

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.759
<v Speaker 1>learning you know, Great Failures, That's what popped up in

0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:27.959
<v Speaker 1>my mind because there were so many times that things

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:31.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't work, and then it led to something else. I

0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>mean even that. I wrote a movie that some very

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:39.880
<v Speaker 1>heavyweight producers took around town. Did not sell, but my

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 1>agent called me up and said, there's a scene in

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:45.800
<v Speaker 1>there that I think would make a great, uh sitcom

0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 1>for kids, and we sold it to the Disney Channel.

0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:51.440
<v Speaker 1>So there it is. The movie didn't work, but we

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 1>sold the TV show. TV show then didn't work. They

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:55.359
<v Speaker 1>gave it to me. I wrote, it is a book.

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>The book. The actually book worked, and somebody bought it

0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 1>as a play, you know. I mean, it's just what happens.

0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:05.080
<v Speaker 1>If you're just doing and doing, you end up running

0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 1>into something that you would have never expected if you

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:11.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't take the action. Oh look, I'm lecturing.

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:14.759
<v Speaker 4>That right, and I already funked out. I already flunked

0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:15.320
<v Speaker 4>out of your fund.

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to send a magnet that put on your refrigerator.

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 5>Our last question for you. You have had a very long,

0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 5>fulfilling career in so many different fields. Is there still

0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 5>anything out there left that you want to do?

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Let me tell you, I discovered a stand up

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>approach after all these years, about eight or nine years ago,

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:51.439
<v Speaker 1>nobody at the club owners tell me. Nobody has ever

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:56.560
<v Speaker 1>done it. I've never seen that I've done. Many other

0:55:56.600 --> 0:56:00.360
<v Speaker 1>comedians have told me. But it's something that I do now,

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and I'm better than I ever was. So I'm in

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:09.800
<v Speaker 1>my seventies and yet I now can get on stage

0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 1>as a headliner and literally kill because they're not. What

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I do is I watch every other comic and then

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I do their material again because I say, I say

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, I wrote material for tonight, but theirs

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.960
<v Speaker 1>is so much better than mine. I'm just going to

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:32.600
<v Speaker 1>do theirs again. And what I've done during the night

0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:37.799
<v Speaker 1>is watch them and change their the jokes. I change them.

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:42.359
<v Speaker 1>I make them really absurd and just totally off the wall,

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:45.440
<v Speaker 1>but I use them as the starting point. And I've

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>only gotten I've only gotten beaten up a couple of times.

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was gonna say that. Said that, I bet

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:51.719
<v Speaker 4>comedians love that. That's what they're known for. It's like,

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:53.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, my favorite thing is when I tell a

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:56.360
<v Speaker 4>joke and then another comedian tells the same one.

0:56:57.080 --> 0:56:59.800
<v Speaker 5>A little bit better and different than somebody.

0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, what I like to do is tell it

0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:05.319
<v Speaker 1>before they go on. That's smart. There is only a

0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:09.319
<v Speaker 1>couple comedians who I've ever said, Uh No, it's it's

0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.720
<v Speaker 1>because I think it's a fun thing. And it's because

0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not making a lot of money on their material.

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.200
<v Speaker 1>And I tell them, if you like what I did

0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:19.680
<v Speaker 1>with it, you take that that's yours. Oh you know,

0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:24.480
<v Speaker 1>it's just so fun to do. And I sit there

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and I sit there every night and I'm writing, and

0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:30.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm at the beginning it's like it's not

0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna work. It's not gonna work. And then all of

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:34.360
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, but I spend most of the time turning

0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:36.439
<v Speaker 1>them my girlfriend and saying, what do you say?

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 5>I can't hear.

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.920
<v Speaker 3>I think this is really that's really cool. It's it

0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.120
<v Speaker 3>makes it that it has to be live. That's what

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:48.920
<v Speaker 3>I like about it, is like, that's why the audience

0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:50.920
<v Speaker 3>on the audience must love it because they are you

0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:53.240
<v Speaker 3>clearly couldn't have written this ahead of time. And so

0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 3>it's like getting back to what stand up should be,

0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:57.920
<v Speaker 3>which is a live experience. And we do this with

0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 3>our live shows too. The less we play, the more

0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:03.160
<v Speaker 3>we just walk out on stage and engage with our audience,

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:04.080
<v Speaker 3>the better at night.

0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:04.480
<v Speaker 1>It is.

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.600
<v Speaker 3>So that's such a cool it's like a cool tightrope

0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:08.360
<v Speaker 3>walk that you're doing.

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I really and thank you And isn't it when you

0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>do things live when the audience is with you, don't

0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:17.120
<v Speaker 1>your minds move faster?

0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 3>And doing this is why you go out and you know,

0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:22.400
<v Speaker 3>that's what we want from comedy. In today's world, everything

0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:25.040
<v Speaker 3>is you know, online or you know. We're all isolated

0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 3>in our own little doing meetings like this, you know,

0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:29.560
<v Speaker 3>so the idea of like getting out into a room

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:31.480
<v Speaker 3>and listening and being a part of a group is

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 3>just getting lost on us.

0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 1>At the same time, I cannot send out a tape

0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 1>of mind and anybody would know what I was doing, right, right, right.

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I have my own too, and that's fine too. But

0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the thing that makes me different is doing the other

0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 1>people's material, and unfortunately that puts me in a hole.

0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.880
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, I'm at a point in my

0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>life where I'm not sitting there and going, oh, let

0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:00.680
<v Speaker 1>me get on failing, right, right.

0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Right, get invited to the couch.

0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:02.880
<v Speaker 4>That's the best.

0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, when you when you also when you when you

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 2>write your book about failing part two, I hope you

0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:08.760
<v Speaker 2>start with us.

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, I will agree the show that Danielle did and

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:18.720
<v Speaker 1>thank you got for the tears. I wish I could remember.

0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:20.240
<v Speaker 1>I know you were making a speech.

0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 5>It's at the very end.

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:24.880
<v Speaker 3>It's the tag running for class president or something.

0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:27.480
<v Speaker 3>No, it's like Corey is running for president. You end

0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:29.720
<v Speaker 3>up taking over the debate or something. I forget what.

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Everybody was running for president.

0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's the tag. It's the very last scene of

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:36.440
<v Speaker 5>the show. So if you go back and watch it,

0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:40.240
<v Speaker 5>and Will even I mean I said I wanted to

0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:41.840
<v Speaker 5>rewatch it because Will said he could even see it

0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 5>in my eyes.

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 4>I can't. I can see that I've been covering.

0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:46.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, my husband said he could see it too.

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's great. It's not so great, but.

0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:52.360
<v Speaker 5>No, it's great. I love it. Steve, Thank you so

0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:54.360
<v Speaker 5>much for coming and spending your time with us. Thank

0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:57.920
<v Speaker 5>your daughter Kelly for letting us use her house and

0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:02.040
<v Speaker 5>her name, and Casey, I really have enjoyed spending a

1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:03.880
<v Speaker 5>bit of time with you. It makes sense now that

1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:06.600
<v Speaker 5>we didn't really get to know you because you were

1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:08.720
<v Speaker 5>only on our set for two weeks, so it's been

1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:10.760
<v Speaker 5>a pleasure to get to know you a little bit now.

1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I'm glad, you know. I'm so pleased that

1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 1>I was part of it because when people talk about

1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:18.240
<v Speaker 1>what are you show? I wrote something for Hbolay is

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:21.480
<v Speaker 1>very proud of for little kids. But your show is

1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the one that I always think when I get introduced

1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:29.200
<v Speaker 1>it is a writer for Boy Meets World. That's the

1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:33.960
<v Speaker 1>first credit that they give. And now a lot of

1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the audience is, I don't remember that show.

1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:38.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm too old for that.

1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yes, my parents told me.

1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's where we are.

1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Ye.

1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I give you as the credit. I'm tolled that I

1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:47.360
<v Speaker 1>could have been part of it.

1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 5>Where can people find you so they know where to

1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:52.280
<v Speaker 5>go see you in a city near them.

1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:56.560
<v Speaker 1>The Larry David code dot.

1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:59.520
<v Speaker 5>Com Great the Larry davidcode dot Com.

1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:03.720
<v Speaker 2>To find Steve David, I'll find a different Larry David

1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:05.120
<v Speaker 2>different by the way.

1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I do not. I'm really that on up keep, so

1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of my appearances in two thousand and fifteen

1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and sixteen may still be on there. So I don't

1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:21.320
<v Speaker 1>know it. You know, Okay, check the date.

1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:22.280
<v Speaker 4>Check the date.

1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:25.840
<v Speaker 5>Okay, before you buy tickets, check the date at the

1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:28.720
<v Speaker 5>Larry davidcove dot com. Thank you Steve for being with

1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:29.200
<v Speaker 5>us today.

1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Guys, appreciate good to see you.

1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Bye bye.

1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:35.360
<v Speaker 5>It's so great that he for doing when he did

1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:38.240
<v Speaker 5>the two episodes, actually got to spend the entire week

1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:41.040
<v Speaker 5>on zet unlike a lot of other freelance.

1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Are funny because he actually has more memories than some

1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:44.320
<v Speaker 3>people who are on multi.

1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:48.640
<v Speaker 2>How about some confirmation for you, Birsty.

1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:51.480
<v Speaker 5>Well, I didn't need it. I knew for sure. If

1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:54.200
<v Speaker 5>we'll remembered it, it happened, and writer remembered it vaguely right.

1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.200
<v Speaker 3>It was like, yeah, once you pointed out, I was like,

1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:58.120
<v Speaker 3>that's right, and I can tell you because I remember

1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:00.160
<v Speaker 3>the fact that we changed the credit and all that

1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:01.000
<v Speaker 3>was in a way.

1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's also the people that he's worked with, I mean,

1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:07.040
<v Speaker 2>just the names that he's spouting out there. I would

1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:10.160
<v Speaker 2>also officially like to ask that we try. It'll never happen,

1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:12.240
<v Speaker 2>but we try to get Jim Carrey to come on

1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the podcast.

1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:15.640
<v Speaker 5>Why would you Carry come on our podcast?

1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's find out why would My dad always says the

1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:20.280
<v Speaker 2>worst thing people can say is no, you might as

1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:21.160
<v Speaker 2>well just ask.

1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:21.840
<v Speaker 5>Then find him.

1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:25.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know how to find Jim Carry come

1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:26.440
<v Speaker 4>on the podcast.

1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:30.680
<v Speaker 5>The Jim Carrey dot Com to the Jim Carrey Jim

1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:31.720
<v Speaker 5>Jim to a.

1:02:31.800 --> 1:02:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Very interesting moment the last couple years on Well, then

1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:36.800
<v Speaker 3>let's find out if maybe it's interesting in this sort

1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:39.919
<v Speaker 3>of like Buddhist present tense constant. He's like a very

1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:42.960
<v Speaker 3>interesting guy lately, so let's try to get him on one.

1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:47.080
<v Speaker 5>My favorite, my favorite recent Jim Carrey quote was they

1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:48.960
<v Speaker 5>asked him why he was coming back for Sonic, and

1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:51.000
<v Speaker 5>he was like, I spend a lot of money.

1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:53.959
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we can get it. I'm telling you, we can get.

1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:54.760
<v Speaker 5>We can get them.

1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I just know how hard so many of our

1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:00.480
<v Speaker 3>writers had to work like these stories. It's just the

1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.560
<v Speaker 3>constant hustle. It's like, yeah, and like you have to

1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:06.040
<v Speaker 3>manage the club or own the club, even to just

1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:07.880
<v Speaker 3>get your own five minutes, and then you have to

1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:09.880
<v Speaker 3>just hang out. Like I mean, the way that he

1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:13.200
<v Speaker 3>must have spent every night of his life backstage with

1:03:13.240 --> 1:03:15.560
<v Speaker 3>a group of comedians trying to make each other laugh,

1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.800
<v Speaker 3>trying to maintain enough of an impression to get paid

1:03:18.840 --> 1:03:21.000
<v Speaker 3>to get hired the next It's like such a hustle.

1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:23.960
<v Speaker 4>It's so much work. He's also running a business. He

1:03:24.080 --> 1:03:27.560
<v Speaker 4>also owns the club. That's what you got that so

1:03:27.800 --> 1:03:28.440
<v Speaker 4>much work.

1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:31.200
<v Speaker 3>I just you just have to have that, like I'm

1:03:31.280 --> 1:03:33.480
<v Speaker 3>always going to be making people laugh and I can't stop,

1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Like I just always you know, like what an engine

1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:38.800
<v Speaker 3>to always have inside of you. I just it's crazy.

1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's so cool.

1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:42.680
<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

1:03:42.720 --> 1:03:44.520
<v Speaker 5>of Podmeets World. As always, you can follow us on

1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:46.680
<v Speaker 5>Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send us your

1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:49.680
<v Speaker 5>emails pod meets World Show at gmail dot com, and

1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:50.760
<v Speaker 5>we have merch.

1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:52.160
<v Speaker 1>We hear it.

1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Podmeats World would like to personally apologize to the Olive

1:03:55.160 --> 1:03:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Garden merch.

1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:04.640
<v Speaker 5>Also a reminder, we the kids still want to jump.

1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:08.360
<v Speaker 5>We are on tour. You can go to podmeetsworldshow dot

1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:12.280
<v Speaker 5>com for merch and tickets and to see the calendar

1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:14.320
<v Speaker 5>of all the dates. So we hope to see you

1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:19.520
<v Speaker 5>out there. We love you all. Pod dismissed. Pod Meets

1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:22.720
<v Speaker 5>World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fischel,

1:04:22.800 --> 1:04:26.960
<v Speaker 5>Wilfridell and writer Strong Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman.

1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:30.640
<v Speaker 5>Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:34.800
<v Speaker 5>Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddie Moore engineer and boy Meets World

1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:38.280
<v Speaker 5>superfan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton

1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:41.240
<v Speaker 5>of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram at Pod Meets World

1:04:41.240 --> 1:04:44.200
<v Speaker 5>Show or email us at Podmeets Worldshow at gmail dot

1:04:44.200 --> 1:04:44.680
<v Speaker 5>com