1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Dirty Birds. What's up? The Atlanta Falcons have just wrapped 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: up their second open practice of training camp. It is 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: back Together Saturday, Back Together weekend, and we also at 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: the NFL we are back together. We got Tory mclaney 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: and Tarren Wack joining us today and we're gonna break 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: down practice. So up top, we're gonna kind of talk 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about some news that happened last night 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: before we got here on Saturday for the next practice 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: with Djhark Darnell Mooney. So we're gonna get into that. 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: But then second half of the podcast you're gonna hear 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: from Steve Weisch, who is the chief national reporter at 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: NFL Network. A lot of great stuff there, So big 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: episode in store for us today, but let's start off 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: with kind of the news up top, the signing of 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: DJ Shark, Darnell Mooney, Tory. Where do you want to 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: start with those two? DJ or Darnell. 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: Let's start with Darnell because I feel like that is 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 2: the continuation of what happened on Thursday. And as if 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: you've been following along with Terren's reporting, my reporting, Will's reporting, 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: you know that Darnell Mooney had a pretty significant fall. 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: On Thursday's practice, Michael Pennock Junior tried to hit him 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: with a deep ball, beautiful pass. 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah it was. 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: It looked like it was going to be a catch, 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: and then Darnald Mune came down really hard on one 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: of his shoulders and got up a little sluggish. But 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: I originally I was a bit like, oh, it's just 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: it's just because he's mad at himself that he didn't 29 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: make that catch, which is probably fair. He probably was. 30 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: Like a moment with I Killiard when he was kind 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: of walking back to the team and he was it 32 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: seemed like one of those like, man, you know, you 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: should have caught that pass and it was and then 34 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: like kind of became clear on maybe maybe something else 35 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: is a little bit up and then. 36 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah field and that Yeah, that was the thing is 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: he he ended up leaving and walking with the trainer 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: off the field and didn't come back to practice. And 39 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: it was unfortunate the timing of it because we couldn't 40 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: really get a lot of information on Darnal Mooney like 41 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: immediately because Raheem Morris spoke prior to practice, and then 42 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: there was no availability on Friday because they were doing 43 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: a jog through and so it wasn't an open practice 44 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: type situation, so we didn't really have all that much 45 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: information about Darnell Mooney and the status and injury status 46 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: or if it was anything to worry about. That came 47 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: down the pike on Friday evening, late Friday evening, nine 48 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: thirty nine thirty PM is when we got the text 49 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: and we're like, all right, here we go. But it 50 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: is a shoulder injury. Don't know the extent of what 51 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: that shoulder injury is and don't really know if it's 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: the same issue that he was working through at the 53 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: detail end of last year, which he missed that final 54 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: game of the season because of a shoulder injury. So 55 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: we don't know the specifics of it just yet, but 56 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: we do know that it's going to be a few 57 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 2: weeks that we won't see him, so probably for majority 58 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: of training camp, I would say, we're not going to 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: get to see him out there as much. Now. Today 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: he was out there walking around with his hat on, 61 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: in a sweatshirt, walking, hanging out with Ike Killierd, hanging 62 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: out with the other receivers. He seemed to be in 63 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: good spirits, had a smile on his face, So I 64 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: don't think overall it's something too serious. But I know 65 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: that there are a lot of people who are making 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: the connection of oh, the Falcons have signed a receiver 67 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: and there's a starting receiver who's injured. But as Tarin, 68 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure you can talk more about this. As Kyle Smith, 69 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: the assistant GM said today, that's not really the case, right. 70 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: The Falcons brought DJ Charkin for a tryout well before 71 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: Darnell Mooney was even injured. Like I don't even I 72 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: don't know the timeline, but I just know it happened before. 73 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 4: And so this correlation cannot be made. Who knows if 74 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: they would have signed him if not. Who knows if 75 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 4: they were going to sign him regardless, The fact of 76 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: the matter is the announcement of signing DJ Chark came 77 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: out this morning. Reports of the signing came out yesterday 78 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: around five pm. I remember everything, and so, yeah, you 79 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 4: can't correlate the two. But DJ Shark is someone who 80 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 4: has experienced in this league, where he was drafted by 81 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: the Jacksonville Jaguars, had a rather good run there, even 82 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: had one thousand yards in his second season with the 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 4: Jaguars before beat bopping three teams in a row, three 84 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: years in a row and landing now in Atlanta. So 85 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: he's a guy with experience and they kind of needed 86 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: depth at that position regardless. So even if Mooney hadn't 87 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 4: gotten hurt, it's very well. Yeah, like I could have 88 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: been here regardless. 89 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can never have too many defensive backs, you 90 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: can never have too many wide receivers, and you can 91 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: never have too many alignemen. And I stand by that. 92 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 4: I start was a ninety man roster a year round 93 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 4: all the time. 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like high school or college when you have 95 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: one hundred people on a roster. But I do think 96 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: that something that DJ Chark provides, And this is something 97 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: that the three of us talked about. Right when he 98 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: first he's so fast, he has a forty time. That 99 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: is something. It's pretty impressive. So we're talking if we're 100 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 2: talking about taking a top off a defense, this is 101 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: someone who has who's shown in this league he has 102 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: the ability to do that. 103 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, what do we know about Michael 104 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: Pennock Jenior. You like to throw the ball deep, so 105 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: give him those weapons, give him those options. But Taren, 106 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: what did we see from Michael Pennock Junior in the 107 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: offense out there in practice today. 108 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 4: Well, it is just the second open practice. I'm going 109 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 4: to say that to start because Pennix that was such 110 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: a team. No, I know, because I know the moment 111 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 4: I say this, it's going to be like, oh, but 112 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 4: they were the day before. Yeah, exactly. But Penix completed 113 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: five of his fourteen passes. Granted, these are not professional 114 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: statistics taken by one of the team officials, people like 115 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 4: I'm here with my notebook on the sideline seeing what 116 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: I can and conferring with other media members. But there 117 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: were a lot of drops. There were a lot of 118 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 4: passes that hit hands and hit the ground. It wasn't 119 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 4: what you want to see. But again, it's still just 120 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: the second open practice. And it's also Michael penickx jun 121 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 4: your second season is first as a starter in training camp, 122 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 4: so you can't read too much into it. Everyone is 123 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 4: probably still getting to know each other, getting to know 124 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: the rhythm, getting to know the feel of the ball, 125 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: the touch of the ball. He has a zanger and 126 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: so that being said. On the flip side, the defense 127 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: looked really good in a sense that there were like 128 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 4: three different cornerbacks you had, Mike Cues, Mike Ford, and blanking. 129 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: I have it in my camp report if you want 130 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 4: to go look, go look at the camp who all 131 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 4: had pass breakups And then you see DeMarco Hellam's force 132 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 4: a fumble out of Drake London of all people. Also, 133 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 4: you just like it was a beautiful punch out, like 134 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: fist ball through arm. 135 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: Which is something that is beautiful. 136 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: It was something that. 137 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: Actually if you go watch the Jeff Ulbrick miked up 138 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: from Thursday's practice, there's a part in it where he's 139 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: talking to the DB's about peanut punch. He's talking to 140 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: them about punch outs and he's talking about where that 141 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: that one can? 142 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 4: My ears go, what that's? 143 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: What that is? 144 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: It's it's Peanutman Charles Tillman, former defensive back who was 145 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: famed for his to punch the ball out. 146 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a. 147 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: Cute name though even with tex but no, it's so 148 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: he was going around and that's what they were doing 149 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: on Thursday, and Jeff Olbrick was very pointed in his conversations. 150 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: It's like a five second clip of a three and 151 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: a half minute miked up, but that showed up from 152 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: Thursday into Saturday, and I think that's. 153 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 4: Important DeMarco also was kind of everywhere. People already know that. 154 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 4: I think he's going to have a really good comeback, 155 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: and I think he was doing very well before he 156 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: got injured. But you could feel his presence on the 157 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: field today. He was coming in hot toward London and 158 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: punching that ball out and then you could see him. 159 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: He almost had an interception one. I think it was 160 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: Cadarill Hodge bobbled the pass a little bit, it fell, 161 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: but he was right there and could have grabbed it 162 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 4: had he like one step further kind of thing, and 163 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: just running around everywhere full speed, And it makes me 164 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: think about when we talked to Jesse Bates during the 165 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 4: off season program, where he's like, we call him Bam Bam. 166 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: He is the most aggressive person in the safety room. 167 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: Yea, I love it. 168 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: I love it. 169 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: I love a good big babe. 170 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: And the third cornerback. Just to give credit where credit 171 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 4: is due, it wasn't a throne books. 172 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, familiar face around here. It is 173 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: very encouraging, I think to see the defense starting off 174 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: hot at given the amount of resources that they invested 175 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: in that side of the ball this offseason. But honestly, 176 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of fans out there who were like, wait, 177 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: I thought the offense was going to be the leader 178 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: of this team. We got Bijan, we got Drake, now 179 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: we got Michael Pennant, Like, is it time to panic? Like, 180 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: what's going on? We've got a defense out here just 181 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: running laps around the offense like toy, Yeah, let's throw 182 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: a little water on this fire. 183 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: Let's take a deep breath. 184 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 4: Let's calm down. 185 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: This is Tory's therapy corner. 186 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: I steal. 187 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: My voice is not one hundred percent back, so it's 188 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: saving and calming, and I'm telling you right now, it's fine. 189 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: Everything's fine. This is actually pretty normal in the scope 190 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: of a training camp because where is the defense? You know, 191 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: I always say you can't really get a full scope 192 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: of a defense because I don't have the pads on 193 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: and they can't full on tackle people. That is ninety 194 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: percent of what a defender is trying to do. They're 195 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: trying to stop the ball from going forward in whatever 196 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: capacity that is, and that's physicality. As an offense this time, 197 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: it's really difficult to truly judge when the offense has 198 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: kind of an off day that some people may look 199 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: at and be like, oh, that looks a little sloppy. 200 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: You have no idea what's being asked. And I think 201 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: something that was very obvious to me was very early 202 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: on in eleven on eleven work, and there was this 203 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: moment where it was like Michael Panicks just kind of 204 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: overshot I think it was Cadaryl Hodge on on a 205 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: little like ten yard out route and he overshot him, 206 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: and he Michael Panicks kind of pulled up and like 207 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: with his hands and with his body kind of ran 208 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: the route for Caderrel and Cadarol's kind of looking back 209 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: and you can see they're trying to get the timing right. 210 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: And then you have the two's going on the next 211 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: the very next play, and they run the exact same play, 212 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: and so to me, it's like they're still heavy install 213 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: there are still things that they're trying to work on, 214 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: the timing and the motions and making sure everybody's where 215 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 2: they need to be. Michael Pennock's understanding where to get 216 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: the ball at the top of his receiver's routes, where 217 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: he thinks the ball should go, where he's leading them, 218 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: and how much these receivers know. Okay, I know if 219 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 2: I get to this part of my route, the ball's 220 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: coming at me. So I think that's why I'm not 221 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 2: overly concerned at all. I'm not concerned at all by 222 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: I think the performance of the offense today because this 223 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: stuff tends to happen as they're trying to work on 224 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: more things than it makes the defense look really good 225 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: because you're looking at some of these receivers dropping passes, 226 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 2: You're looking at you know, you know, the offense of 227 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: guys maybe not holding the ball as hard as much 228 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: because they know that a like contact is not coming, 229 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: so they're not bracing for it, so a defender can 230 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: come in and just kind. 231 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 5: Of be like ooop like. 232 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 2: So I think all of those things kind of play 233 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: into it. So that's why I'm like, all of this 234 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: is great, but take it with a grain of salt, 235 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: because there's a lot happening underneath the surface. 236 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 4: What is really good to see, even with all that said, 237 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 4: is how serious they're taking it though, because I think 238 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 4: about the one play where Pennix threw it kind of 239 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 4: deep to Drake London. It was a little high and 240 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: Drake was jumping the grab and it looked like he 241 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 4: had it, but he dropped it, which is on Drake 242 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 4: was so visibly upset he took his helmet and threw it. 243 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 4: I think the helmet bound higher than the ball. But like, 244 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 4: you want to see that from your players at all 245 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: times the county seriously. 246 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, one hundred percent. I mean that that 247 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: is the intensity that you want to see, especially from somebody, 248 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter if it's the second open and 249 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: practice of training camp or in the middle of the season, 250 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: like the urge. 251 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: Starter basically, and he's still being emotional and like passionate 252 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 4: about the second practice. Yeah, and that's good. 253 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: And then something Jake Matthew said afterwards was that there 254 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,479 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a challenge I think specifically 255 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: to the defense to bring the intensity, to really amp 256 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: that up. So given that context, like I think that's 257 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: important that if there is an onus put on the defense, 258 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: especially early in camp three, like you set the tone 259 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: we want to see it from you, that maybe we 260 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't really be again hitting the panic button on the 261 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: fact that they are bringing it, because that's kind of 262 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: what they want to see. They want to see the 263 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: energy level that they can kind of go out there with. 264 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to our conversation with Steve Weisch 265 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: here in just one second. But back by popular demand, 266 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: we've had a few people reach out and be like, Billy, 267 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: what's up. You did a training camp episode and you 268 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: didn't have camp Champs, So like, who who should we 269 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: be following? Who's gonna win the camp? I don't know, 270 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: So we're gonna bring it back. We're gonna you know, 271 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry we were remiss. Yeah, we need to leave 272 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: it out. 273 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 2: Honestly, I'll be real, like, we didn't even think about 274 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: like doing camp Champ again because like circumstances of practice. 275 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: There were thousands of fans practice. Yeah, they could just 276 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: name their own camp champ. Just everybody tweet out. 277 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 2: Tho's your camp Champ. But that was the reason we 278 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: weren't going to do it. And then there are people 279 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: who came up to us like you didn't do a 280 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 2: freaking camp champ on the first episode, and we're like, okay, 281 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: we will bring it back. 282 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: So I can. I can hear Steve waiting right outside 283 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: of that door knocking, be like, so really quickly, Taren, 284 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: We'll start with you, who is your camp champ? 285 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: Today? 286 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 4: Today's I'm going to go with David Sills. I feel 287 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: like he I know, he caught all of the passes 288 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 4: that he was given the opportunity to with the second 289 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 4: team offense, and I just feel like you could feel 290 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 4: his presence. Yes, it's the second team, but maybe he 291 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 4: gets an opportunity with the first team because of that. 292 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 4: There is an opportunity now given the Darnell Mooney injury 293 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 4: for a wide receiver to step up. 294 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it is Mike Cues. I thought he 295 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: had he had a great practice, and I thought he 296 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: had a good practice the other day on Thursday as well. 297 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: No one's talking about Mike Cues. And I understand, like 298 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: why because you have a j Drelly, you of Jesse Bates. 299 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: But Mike Cues matters greatly. As I'm punching my microphone, 300 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: Mike Cues matters greatly to this defensive back group, this 301 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: cornerback group, and I think that he he came with 302 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: an intensity today that I personally felt. And I'll give 303 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: one more shout out to the fans who showed up today. 304 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: I really are our too. 305 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so great meeting some of you, talking 306 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: to some of you. It was it was fantastic and 307 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: it really warms my heart and made me feel good 308 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: because sometimes I think we can get wrapped up in 309 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: maybe like negativity or things that we see that that 310 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: isn't that great. But it was really awesome to see 311 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: all of y'all hang out with y'all for a minute, 312 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: and I know I greatly appreciated the conversations. 313 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: No, truly, this is at the end of the day, 314 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: it's a game. It's it's about the fans, it's about 315 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: having fun, it's about you know, competing, and yes, all 316 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: of that stuff, and like there's a lot on the line, 317 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: but it's a sport, it's fun and it we really 318 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: felt that energy today. So I'm gonna I'm gonna side 319 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: with Tory. I'm gonna say Mike Keys because I think 320 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: this was a defensive day to find on that side 321 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: of the ball and the secondary specifically, we're really punching 322 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: the ball out part mind fist, that's bricks thing, so 323 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: we got the fist involved today. 324 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: I was between David Sales and Mike Haile Hailes Hues. 325 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 4: It's on my little notebook, but I ended up doing 326 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: David to give someone I think that's someone else I love. 327 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you go. 328 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: People might not know, And to be fair, I've been 329 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 4: doing a Player of the day. We're only on the 330 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: second in practice, so we're gonna go with the first 331 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: camp champ was Kyle Pitts. 332 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. 333 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 4: We have our two. Yeah, Pitts and Mike Cues. So 334 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: far great. 335 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I love it giving love to those two players. But 336 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: let's give a little love to Steve Weish right now. 337 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: Joined now by Steve Wish, chief national reporter for the 338 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: NFL Network. Steve, thank you for joining us today. 339 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: Oh man, I'm so happy to be here, back home 340 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 5: where it all started. We all kind of short of started, 341 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 5: but yeah, kind of started. 342 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: I started. This is this is home, this is where 343 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: you come from, this is the place. So we're happy 344 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: to bring you back on exactly. 345 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: We love to welcome you back, and we want to 346 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: start with some news that came out yesterday. The NFL 347 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: Top one hundred has been rolling out its rankings. Look 348 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: forward to that every single year. But John Robinson debuted 349 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: at number sixty two. I'm not gonna lie. I was 350 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: a little bit surprised to see him. Kind of that 351 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: love you and me both, okay, So yeah, give me 352 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: your give me your thoughts on where he was. 353 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 5: It's so funny and I was thinking about this coming over, 354 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 5: and it's like, if it weren't for Saquon Barkley and 355 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 5: Derek Han, like really, you know, say Quon over two thousand, 356 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 5: Derek Henry ryther in the border, we'd be talking about 357 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 5: how an unbelievable season. Yeah, but Jean Robinson had I mean, 358 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 5: his yardage totals were absolutely insane. Didn't get the end 359 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 5: zone a ton, because it's not how the offense works, 360 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 5: but just the productivity and receiving game in the run game, 361 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 5: the highlight film stuff. I mean, this guy is must 362 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 5: see TV. This is the guy you have to go 363 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 5: to the stadium. You want to watch him. 364 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: Right. There are teams you pay to watch, and they 365 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: are players you pay to watch. He's a player you 366 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: pay to watch. I'm like, sixty two didn't even see 367 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: what this guy did. They must not have, you know. 368 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 5: And that's probably the issue because the team was so 369 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 5: up and down last year. I was like, okay, this 370 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: and that, but he was so consistent regardless of how 371 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 5: the offense worked. 372 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: I thought he would be I mean. 373 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 5: Honestly like sub forty, like you know, right, like thirty 374 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 5: between like thirty nine or down? 375 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: Does that like, do you think it has more to 376 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: do with kind of the running back position, the nature 377 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: of it and how it's been a little bit diminished 378 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: it feels like in recent years, or do you think 379 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: it has or to do maybe with like team success 380 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: and if the Falcons become that team that really well, 381 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: they played like five prime time games last year, right, 382 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: felt like so they were a team on the national radar? 383 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Where do you do attribute? 384 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: So let's get into the real nuts and bolts of it. 385 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 5: So when the top one hundred, you know, they're asking 386 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 5: players to vote on right, So they asked the players 387 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 5: to beat it out of the Pro Bowl, you know, 388 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 5: whatever type of events where they can get these guys 389 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 5: to do all this plus postseason. So they're voting on 390 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 5: you know, Pro Bowls, this and that and and so. 391 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: I think guys kind of get lost. Right. The players 392 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: are voting on like, well, I want to put my 393 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: team in here. 394 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: Didn't I think a recency bias? 395 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: Almost? 396 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 397 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of did I vote for wait, okay 398 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: for for Pro Bowl? Or are you know? And so 399 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: they kind of forget. 400 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of logistics and paperwork. Correct, 401 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm a minutia. 402 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: I mean seriously so, and this is part of it. 403 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 5: Plus, if you really look at it, it'll say the 404 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 5: top players for twenty twenty five. So there's a projection 405 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 5: and a review that confuses people. Right are we are 406 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 5: we saying this guy is not going to be as 407 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 5: good it's gonna be the sixty second best player because 408 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 5: of why or oh he did so good, we got 409 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 5: to get him. So there's always been this confusion for 410 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: as long as this list. I'm at the NFL network, right, 411 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 5: this is where you know it all started, and so, okay, 412 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 5: wait am I voting for this? So there's always confusion 413 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 5: about it because there's always five or six guys. You're like, 414 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 5: why is he so far back? Why is he so 415 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 5: far so high up on the list, And how is 416 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 5: this guy not on the list? 417 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: You know what? 418 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 5: Dak Prescott made the list and he played what seven 419 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 5: games last year? 420 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 421 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 5: So okay, So that's voting for the projection, not so 422 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 5: much for the review, and it's it's the mass confusion. 423 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 5: So I think that's I think that's why. Plus the 424 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 5: Falcon is not making the playoffs clearly plays into that 425 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 5: as well. 426 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: I'm glad you bring up playoffs because I mean the 427 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 2: main point of I think where this team is right now, 428 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: everyone's talking about it in the same breadth, in the 429 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: same scope of this is a team that needs to 430 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: win games. This is a team that needs to make 431 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: it to the postseason. And I know you went on 432 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 2: Dukes and Bell recently and you're talking about that there's 433 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: really no major glaring holes in this roster at this 434 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: point in time, and that it kind of makes it 435 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: to where there are these lofty expectations and almost no 436 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: excuse for this team. Can you explain what you meant 437 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 2: when you said all that. 438 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I won't say lofty expectation, but there's no excuse, right, 439 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 5: there's no excuse. Right, you had to go ahead and 440 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 5: click ahead your backup. You're first with a confusing quarterback plan. 441 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 5: Then it looked like a brilliant quarterback plan. Well now 442 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 5: it's it's operations. So there's no excuse, right, You backstopped yourself. 443 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 5: Now the backstop is the forefront, right, so you got 444 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 5: Michael Pennix, no excuse. You've got not to be John 445 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 5: Robinson with Tyler Algier at running back stud wide receiver 446 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 5: in Drake London, Darnell Mooney is someone who is going 447 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 5: to take a step forward. And the scheme this year 448 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 5: based on a lot of things I've been told. You 449 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 5: got a solid offensive line, you go out and you 450 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 5: finally address the edge rusher position with two young guys. 451 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: You bring in Leonard. 452 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 5: Floyd, who's got the familiar with Raheem, a steady element. 453 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 5: Kaiden Nellis You've heard me say, I think he's the 454 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 5: most underrated player in the NFL at inside linebacker. You're 455 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 5: bringing a guy like to Divine Diablo. A lot of 456 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 5: people don't know about him. He can really run, right, 457 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 5: He's one of these tacklings, really really run. You got 458 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 5: a lot of youth behind him, and there's a lot 459 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: of talent. 460 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: You know. 461 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 5: I don't know how much you guys have talked about 462 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 5: this that was injured last year, that's back there looking 463 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 5: forward to guys like Trice right, a high pressure guy 464 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 5: on that defensive front. So now I'm thinking about Raheem 465 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 5: and you know, me being in LA and him being 466 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 5: with the Rams, and how they had all these young 467 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 5: guys right, the Byron Youngs and all these guys come 468 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 5: in and play well early and succeed well early. Now 469 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 5: this is where you hope Floyd is kind of a 470 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 5: veteran cog like Aaron Donald was for some of those guys. 471 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 5: But if you get Brick in Raheem scheme going with 472 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 5: some guys behind him and some guys you can really 473 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 5: run on that second level. I mean there might be 474 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 5: times out there where you see four defensive ends plus 475 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 5: Kaiden Nellis, so you got five pass rushing threats. 476 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: Which knew merit. 477 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: You can scheme the hell out of an offensive line, 478 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 5: be it with bluffs, be with actual pressure, things like that. 479 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: So they've got no excuses. 480 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 5: Right, we're talking about the brilliance of coaching. We're talking 481 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 5: about youth, we're talking about experience. We're talking about explosive players. 482 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 5: And you do not win in the NFL if you 483 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 5: do not have explosive players. And I'm not just talking 484 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 5: about Bashan who can take a six yard play into 485 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 5: a sixty yard play. I'm talking about guys on the 486 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 5: back end who can pick off a pass or pick 487 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 5: up a fumble and run at thirty yards for a touchdown. Right, 488 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 5: the good offenses people talk about, oh, well, the Chiefs 489 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 5: offense wasn't that great? Well, they don't have to be 490 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 5: great because their defense gets some short feels to operate, 491 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 5: and they've got a kicker who can kick long field 492 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 5: goals if they have to. So getting the ball to 493 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 5: the offense, but also hitting explosive plays on both sides 494 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 5: of the ball. I'm looking at the roster, I'm looking 495 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 5: at the coaching staff. There are no excuses. 496 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: We know that the explosive plays are something they were 497 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: working with bijon and get the running backs on. But 498 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: I love what you said about divine Diablo and they 499 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: think a lot about Jeff Ulbrick and what he did 500 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: with Foyer, which you know very well how he turned 501 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: him into just kind of a tackle machine here in 502 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: Atlanta as a former safety. But I want to circle 503 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: back to what you were talking about with the pass rush, 504 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of options here. The versatility 505 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: is a calling card for this defense. But do you 506 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: have any specific pairings in mind that you're really excited 507 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: to see on Sundays here in Atlanta? Be it you know, 508 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: the two rookies together veteran Floyd in the mix, Like 509 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: who gets you excited when you think, all right, those 510 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: two guys coming off the edge. I can't wait to see. 511 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 3: When you talk to wine person like me, when you 512 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: talk pairings. 513 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 5: Now you're talking like so you know it's hard to tell, 514 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 5: but I mean, like you saw Pierce a lot of 515 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: Tennessee play on the left side. You know, Jalen played 516 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 5: off the ball. So I think you honestly can do 517 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 5: some things. And I think back to what Brandon Stale 518 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 5: used to do when he was with the Chargers, when 519 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 5: he had Tully twea Polo two, Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa, Right, 520 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 5: there were different ways where they weren't actually on the 521 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 5: line to get there, but like twea plow who could 522 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 5: be in a wide nine, Bosa could be like in 523 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 5: a seven technique, and then Khalil's in a wide nine 524 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 5: on the other side, and it looks like you've got 525 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: this massive gap here, but then you scheme stuff up. 526 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 5: And so that's what I'm looking at this. And like 527 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 5: I said, you've got the two young guys. You know, 528 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 5: Leonard Floyd is gonna be He's a steady like ten 529 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 5: sack a year guy, right, but he's also good against 530 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 5: the run, Like, so, so who's gonna be other guy? 531 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 5: Is he gonna be is he gonna be trice on 532 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 5: one side? Is he gonna be pierced. The one thing 533 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: that I know about Raheem is the fact that he 534 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 5: can roll guys through. Like the guys who are are 535 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: front five initially, you may only see them once together 536 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 5: that whole game, right, They're gonna be rolling through so 537 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 5: many different packages. But the one thing with some conversations 538 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 5: I've had is they may not have to play a 539 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 5: boatload of nickel. They're gonna I mean, the majority of 540 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 5: your scheme is nickel. But because you have linebackers who 541 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 5: can run and the versatility of young guys who you 542 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 5: can mismatch up front depending on your opponent, you can 543 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 5: sit back with four because you can get pressure different 544 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 5: ways on guys. So you know, they've built this roster 545 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 5: to give them a flexibility that they have not had 546 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 5: in a while, a part because of injuries, in part 547 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 5: because you didn't have speed off the edge. Now they 548 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 5: got speed off the edge. You just hope that they 549 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 5: can figure out how to get to the quarterback, because that. 550 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 4: Is not anything that's two different things. 551 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: Well, it kind of makes me think, you know, when 552 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: they drafted Jalen Walker and kind of the first thing 553 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: that Raheim Morris said, Jeff Ulbrick said, is like, oh, 554 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: we're gonna really have him be a master of one thing. 555 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna have him be a traditional addresser. When they 556 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: say that, do you actually believe that? Because I know 557 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: for me, if you're taking Jalen Walker at number fifteen, 558 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: over all, the reason you take him is because of 559 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: everything you're talking about and where you can can place him. 560 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: So when you hear that one, what. 561 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: Do you think? I think it depends on the other parts. 562 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 5: Right, So if you have other people who are flexible, 563 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 5: which they do, right, they've built an other flexibility. 564 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: So when you've got you know, you guys are probably 565 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 3: too young. 566 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 5: But you know, Jerry Tarkanian and a lot of these 567 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 5: guys back in the old college basketball, they had this 568 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 5: amoeba offense. Right, we're just scram the guys, removing them. Ever, 569 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 5: there's no true five, they no true two. We're just 570 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 5: moving guys everywhere. Whoever gets the ball in the open shot, 571 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 5: take it. And I think that's kind of more so 572 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 5: what you're going to see here. I would not be 573 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 5: surprised if there will be times where you see four 574 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 5: guys on that de front standing up two point stances. 575 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: I mean, peers can drop two. He did that at 576 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: Tennessee five six times. 577 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: Again, I'm not having him drop. 578 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: But you're like, okay, we're talking about getting to the quarterback. 579 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: I became public enemy number one for saying that my 580 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: credibility that moment. 581 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: But but I mean, I'm like, like wood Walker. They 582 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 5: now they they've been working mostly at the edge. That's 583 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 5: what he is going to do. But now if all 584 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 5: of a sudden some guy inside starts playing better this 585 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 5: way and you've got other guys, you can roll in 586 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 5: behind him every now and then. Myles Garrett does not 587 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 5: necessarily stick at the edge for Cleveland all the time. 588 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 5: Sometimes he's reduced to tackle. Sometimes they stand up linebacker 589 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 5: over the center. So if you can do that, even 590 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 5: if it's just a mask, these are things that in 591 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 5: today's football, which is all geometry and all math, it 592 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 5: is numerically this way, in open space, you figure out 593 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 5: how to win that way. 594 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: Do you think we're ever gonna like in the way 595 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: that almost baseball and basketball were kind of like quote 596 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: unquote solved. Is the NFL game solvable? No? 597 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 3: I mean again, it depends. 598 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 5: I mean the person that the athletic talent is so 599 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 5: insane right now, I don't think so. I mean, you're 600 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 5: gonna have matchups that are gonna be favorable, but you're 601 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 5: never gonna say, Okay, this team likes to do this 602 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 5: a lot because it's so situational, right right twenty years ago, 603 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: you're like, Okay, this team they line up with four across, 604 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 5: they got, you know, on the defensive front. Okay, they 605 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 5: play single tight you know, one one wide receiver. 606 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: To running backs. 607 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 5: Is like you kind of knew what their identity was. 608 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 5: Now the identity changes on if if you're on the 609 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 5: plus side of the fifty on the right hash yep, 610 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 5: with four minutes on the clock as opposed to eight. Yeah, right, 611 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 5: it isn't. I've sat in on conferences where they do 612 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 5: these analytics meetings, and I come out. 613 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Of there like why, just like Kaleidoscopic, you took one 614 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: team and you made like seven. 615 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like why do you think about this? 616 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 5: Like you know, you know there are certain teams like 617 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 5: if it's less than a minute, right and they're and 618 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 5: they're and they're driving, it's third down that they are 619 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 5: if they're not gonna get the first I'll say third nine, 620 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 5: they're gonna burn as much clock and then get to 621 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 5: the sideline so they don't burn a time out. But 622 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 5: then the other team is like, great, let them kick it. 623 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 5: We get the ball back with eight seconds left on 624 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 5: even if it's negative thirty on our side, We're not 625 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 5: just gonna take any We're gonna take a shot because 626 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 5: we know with our personnel and our receivers, odds are 627 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 5: we're gonna get a defensive pass interference called at worst, 628 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 5: and we've got to kick. Like they're thinking about this 629 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 5: stuff in may. 630 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: I love that. 631 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 4: Crazy. 632 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: It's just too chopped up right now. 633 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too many variables. There's too many. Oh yeah, 634 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 1: that's what makes it so exciting. 635 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 636 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: Kind of speaking of variables, there is one variable within 637 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: this offense that I think a lot of people are 638 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: pinpointing as they don't know where this thing is going. 639 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: And that has to do with Kyle pits Very early 640 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: on in training camp. I know we're only a couple 641 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: of days in, but he's looked really good and his 642 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: connection with Michael Pennix is there. Michael Pennix has said 643 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: how much he does appreciate working with Kyle Pitts and 644 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 2: how much he likes working with Kyle Pits. When it 645 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 2: comes to Kyle Pitts, everybody's trying to replicate what happened 646 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: in that rookie year that hasn't happened since. When you're 647 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: looking at his game and the fact that he's on 648 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: this fifth year and he's playing for his next contract. 649 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: What needs to happen with Kyle Pitts in twenty twenty 650 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: five to get the best out of him. 651 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 5: It's interest because you know the contract money is a motivator. Right, 652 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 5: If that's what it takes. 653 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: Fine, great, Right, if the money motivates me. 654 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 5: Right, if there's a possibility, if there's a possibility for 655 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: him to get seventy five targets, if that's the motivator, fine. 656 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 5: I think that this is too pronged. Part of this 657 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 5: is on Coyle. Pits got to be available, you know, 658 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 5: got to be as healthy as possible. He's got to 659 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 5: play this potential he's when I watch him sometimes he's 660 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 5: like the big man in basketball. If you don't get 661 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 5: them involved early, they can blend into the furniture. You 662 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 5: get involved early, Okay, you got them. They're they're scoring 663 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 5: points or blocking shots. They're disruptive, at the rim right. 664 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 5: So if you get Cowpits going early in this manner, 665 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 5: you now have a quarterback whose first read. 666 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: Ain't the check down. 667 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 5: Michael Pennix is going to try to stretch the field. 668 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 3: That is his game. 669 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 5: It is a beautiful thing to see. And when you 670 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 5: have a tight end who can get up the seams, 671 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 5: who can do like, Okay, hey, I got an intermediate option. 672 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 5: I'm going to try to get the nine yard game 673 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 5: instead of the four yard where the running back might 674 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 5: be able to catch it and beat him in the 675 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 5: open field because this guy's stood. Okay, okay, so you 676 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 5: get Pit's going on the first drive or two. I 677 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 5: like the connection we have going here, So I think 678 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 5: that's where a lot of this can happen. Because the 679 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 5: one thing with Pennix, he can get under center a 680 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 5: little bit. He's more mobile, trust me, he's a very 681 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 5: good athlete. 682 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: We forget that. 683 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 4: They forget that. 684 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 5: So there's all kinds of things they can do with 685 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 5: their game that can open up Kyle Pitts. And part 686 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 5: of that's going to be Darnell Mooney. Like I like 687 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 5: you hearing from people's like fantasy football players, no pick 688 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 5: up Darnel Mooney somewhere in your line. 689 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 2: I really said last year when we were we were 690 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: literally on the podcast during training camp and it was like, 691 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: who is someone people should pick up on their fantasy 692 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: team that like you're not talking about, And I was like, 693 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney, you have to like, this is someone who 694 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: actually true. I know people were looking at the pickup 695 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: of him like last offseason and it's like, okay, cool, 696 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: it's an option, like whatever. But the impact he has 697 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: on some pretty significant moments of the last year I 698 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 2: think only enhances what he could potentially be for this 699 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: team in twenty twenty five as well. 700 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 5: Can stretch the field, you can move him, he's your 701 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 5: your intermedy and deep there at that guy, So that 702 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 5: opens up stuff. 703 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 3: Up for London. 704 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 5: They start getting a touch and for Pits, you know, 705 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 5: Bijon's gonna be flexed out for time. So again we 706 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 5: talk about no excuses, so other than injury, there are 707 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 5: no excuses for things not to function. 708 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: Well, specifically on offense. I mean, when you look at 709 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: the makeup of this offense, like it really does have 710 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: kind of the individual parts to make that some like 711 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: one of the very best in the league. And that's 712 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: kind of been the chatter a little bit here the 713 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: first daid of training camp. The expectations are high for 714 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: the offense, but the expectations are a little bit. We're 715 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: really close, I think, to the expectations here in Atlanta 716 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: and hearing from the fans every single day, so kind 717 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: of popping our heads above the clouds and getting your 718 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: but on, like Raheem and Terry and kind of where 719 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: they are and where this whole structure of the roster 720 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: and the organization as it currently stands. What do people 721 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: think of the twenty twenty five Falcons nationally. 722 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 5: Nashally, I think it's kind of a wait and see 723 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 5: just because they've had high hopes before and as the 724 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 5: Falcon fans know, the rugs gotten pulled out from underneath them. 725 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 5: But I think the Michael Pennock factors is just super 726 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 5: intriguing because everyone knows he's he just throws one of 727 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 5: the most beautiful passes in the league, and he's got 728 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 5: all this great college stuff. But he only had three games, Like, 729 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 5: so how is he going to fit in? And I 730 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 5: know the work in training camp is, you know last 731 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 5: year he was working with the number twos, so he's 732 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 5: spending all off season working with the ones, right, So 733 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 5: what's that chemistry going to be, Like, how long is 734 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 5: it going to take to form? I don't think it's 735 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 5: going to be, you know, taking a long at all 736 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 5: because they're all young guys, right, They're all in the 737 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 5: same It's not a thirty five year old Matt Ryan 738 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 5: trying to work. 739 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, great thing, right, So these are all a group. 740 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 5: That can grow together, and I think the coaching staff 741 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 5: understands that. So I think a lot of the stuff 742 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 5: is strategic in terms of the way they shape their 743 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 5: defense with the youth. Right, all the front end, the 744 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 5: back end, and the front end are a lot of 745 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 5: young guys, right. Okay, we'll move the linebackers in and 746 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 5: out if we have to, depending, but we want to 747 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 5: be young and young they can grow together, right, Coverage, 748 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 5: make sack sex, you know, our pressure helps out cover. 749 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 5: So I think that part strategic. They've got to be tougher. 750 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 5: They've got to be a tougher football team. You know, 751 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 5: when you look at teams getting to the playoffs, the 752 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 5: Eagles destroy people the Chiefs on defense absolutely not your 753 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 5: teeth out. So they've got to be that type of 754 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 5: team because again, you look at all the speed and 755 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 5: look all the excitement, explosive players we're talking about. 756 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 3: You think of a finesse football. 757 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 5: Team, They've got to be a team that can mash 758 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 5: because you know what, Tampa Bay on both sides of 759 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 5: the ball, they blow people up and they've got a 760 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 5: really talented football team. 761 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 3: They're the most under discussed team in the NFL. 762 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 5: They got a lot of talent the football team. 763 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 3: So they've got to the Falcons. 764 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 5: They've got to be able to match that consistently weak 765 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 5: in and week out if they want to be what 766 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 5: they should. 767 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: Be to kind of wrap us up. And this is 768 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 2: something that I'm really excited to hear your perspective on. 769 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: So let's as a thought exercise, we're going to fast 770 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 2: forward to January twenty twenty six. Okay, we're talking about 771 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons as a playoff team. If that were 772 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: to happen, What is one thing that needs to happen 773 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: during the regular season over the course of the next 774 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 2: four months to get them there. 775 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 5: One one will go with the other. Pressure and takeaways. Right, 776 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 5: They've got to get takeaways. Get this offense an extra 777 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 5: possession to a game tonight, a possession or two get 778 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 5: an extra possession or two so that the pressure up front. 779 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 5: Falcon fans have been hearing this for decades. 780 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 4: Now, let's fink it, John, John, let's go and bring it. 781 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 4: I'm glad. 782 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 3: I'm glad you did it. 783 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 5: But but I think that's what is going to need 784 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 5: to happen. Like I said, Tampa Bay is really good, 785 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 5: Like they're their roster's good, They've got a they've got 786 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 5: a culture down there that's really well established. 787 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 3: They're tough. 788 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 4: That offense is high powered. 789 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 5: And defensively, if they can stay healthy, they're going to 790 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 5: be really good. And and so again that's where I 791 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 5: think Atlanta's got a match. But they've gotta be tough 792 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 5: against the run. You know, I hear about some of 793 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 5: these teams like you're dan Quinn and Washington say we're 794 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 5: got we gotta be a line of scrimmage team. 795 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 3: We know about that on offense. 796 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 5: Go I think it Laramie Tontable they're talking about on 797 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 5: defense because last year they ended up in second and 798 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 5: third and short all the time because they weren't good 799 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 5: on first down. Well, you don't get to rush the 800 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 5: passer unless you're good on first down. So they've got 801 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 5: to be a good first down defensive front and things 802 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 5: like that. So I just think that defensively, I think 803 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 5: offensively are going to be fine fits and starts, it 804 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 5: happens in the NFL, but consistently develop pressure and get takeaways, 805 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 5: whether they're forced fumbles on the back end or their interceptions. 806 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 3: I love that. 807 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, great takeaways for him. Will be happy to hear that, 808 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 1: takeaways and pressure. 809 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 5: Look at the teams in the playoffs. I think where 810 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 5: they're there, where they rank in those categories. 811 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, hopefully we are talking to you in January 812 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: about a playoff team. All right, but Steve, thank you 813 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to stop by. Everybody, 814 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: please go check out Steve's awesome work at NFL Network. 815 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 3: All right, thanks for having me, guys, absolutely all right. 816 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: We will catch you guys again on Tuesday.