1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. Coming to you 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: from our brand new, state of the art recording studio. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: We built at a PBC pipe and blankets in our sound. Yeah, 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: shower rings are holding the sound blankets up. And just 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: to get ourselves out of our bathroom where we as 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, if you're a longtime listener, have been recording 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: from with you know, blankets salt pinned to the walls. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: We managed to tuck this away in a corner of 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: the house we never use and I think you can 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: just stay here, I hope, so that would be amazing. 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: The idea, the perfect idea, is that we can sit down, 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: watch watch the entire m c U over again, or 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: the Expanse or whatever show we can't shut up about, 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: finishing episode, run in here, lay down our thoughts, and 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: have somebody pay us a bunch of money for him 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: one day. Really amazing. Hey, if y'all want to hear it, 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: let us know. Oh yeah, we'll start a Patreon. Yeah, 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Patreon for you. People have done Patreons for way less 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: interesting things. I'm aware. I'm aware there's many a Patreon 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: out there that will never be patronized by me. I 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: adviired them for doing it. It's just because I'm like, 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: if I gave ten dollars a month to everybody that 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to brokes, no way, That's a part of it. 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: Is just like, yeah, well if I give ten dollars 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: to you, then I'm actively not giving ten dollars to 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: some mails. And now I feel crazy. Now I have 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: all this stress. Oh my god, how do I I'm 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: going back into my hole and no one bother me. 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Do I consider this person a better artist than this 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: other person? Do I consider that this person a closer 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: friend than this other person? That doesn't make any sense. 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: It's not unlike Facebook birthdays for me, yes, like totally. 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: By January three, I've missed a Facebook birthday post and 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: then I'm like, well, now I can't wish anyone happy 35 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: birthday for the rest of the year, and I don't. 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: That's why I took mine off Facebook, because I've was like, 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: I never wish anyone happy birthday, and then on your 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: birthday you get a hundred fifty six messages from people 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: you barely talk to anymore, and then you're like, oh, 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: I need to like respond anyway. So I was like, 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: fucking just take it off. I need that though. I 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: need the I need the hunt. I know it is. 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: It is a bit sad when when you realize how 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: a few people actually do know your birthday. But it's 45 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: also like, again, I don't know your fucking birthday, so 46 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm mad at you. Nobody knows anyone's birthday till the 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: day it comes up on Facebook. You know. Well, I 48 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: mean like, I know your birthday. Yeah, I would hope so, 49 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: and I know yours. Don't ask, don't ask, don't ask, 50 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: don't ask, don't ask, don't askthday. It's on a Wednesday. 51 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: I know that much. It has been on a Wednesday before. Always. 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: It's the third Wednesday past the second full moon. In 53 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: the third quarter of the year. Great job, baby Rice 54 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: known a smart ten. It's the third quarter of the year. Well, 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: in my year, I operate on a different count. You're 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: a different down there. I was like, wow, is that 57 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: the third coins your fiscal year? Like there's nine quarters 58 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: in my year? Oh wow, your math is so crazy. 59 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: It's just a little more advanced than what you're used to. 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: Oh it's advanced, yes, right, I guess I'm prepared to learn. 61 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Not really, I was barely prepared to learn the math 62 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: I do know. Oh well, speaking of not knowing things, 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: there's a transition, right, it did something. Sometimes we don't 64 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: know things like the beaded curtain of transitions. Sort of 65 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: clumsy even it looks good. Yeah, thank you. It serves 66 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: a purpose. We got through it. It's kind of clacky. 67 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: You know. We're on the other side. We don't need 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: to comment on it. We've passed through the curtains behind. 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: So let's talk about things in the past that we 70 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: haven't known and how those things were fixed for us. Yeah. 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes questions pop up for us in the middle of 72 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: recording an episode, and y'all will come through with the 73 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: answers and it's awesome. It's like so cool. You send 74 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: in comments or you send emails or messages or whatever, 75 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: and they go straight to a magic tape on a 76 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: little box called our Answering Machine. Just answer the question. 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: Oh and look at that. We do have one here 78 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: on our answering machine. Okay, this one comes from our 79 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: dear friend, one of my favorite people in the whole 80 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: wide world, Bobby. Hey Bobby, and sorry Bobby, because we 81 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: made him go crazy because of a question that we 82 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: posed in our recent episode about Lucy and Desi Arnez. 83 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: It was in part one of that episode we got 84 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: to talking about lions for some reason. I think we 85 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: were talking about we talked too much about Lucy being 86 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: a leo. It came up a few times and I 87 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: was like, you know, she's all a lion and she's 88 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: got a big nin She's like King of the Jungle. 89 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: And then I thought, in in real time, you heard 90 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: my brain break because I was like, wait a minute, 91 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: King of the Jungle lions, I'm thinking about the lion 92 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: king and I'm like, lions don't live in jungles. Lions 93 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: live in the grassland, the savannahs right, So where the 94 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: hell did King of the Jungle come from? And we 95 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: got very confused and then we kind of dropped it. 96 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: But Bobby, listening to the episode, couldn't handle it, and 97 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: he texted me today and said, you hurt my brain 98 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: this morning. And I had to look this up. That 99 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: heard that, but we all learned something. He found The 100 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: Hindi word jungly, from which originates the term jungle, originally 101 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: meant any wild, uninhabited place, such as a grassland or 102 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: a desert, and not necessarily a tropical rainforest. So a 103 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: lion really is King of the wild. Look at that 104 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: etymology detection. Yeah, he was like a detective of language 105 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: just then. Brilliant, pretty dope, I know, And it makes 106 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: sense too of my all of my confusion about King 107 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: of the Jungle is now like concrete jungle. Well, I 108 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: think that's fascinating. I'm very glad that Bobby did that 109 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: work for us. We're always happy for all the work 110 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: you guys do for us and clearing up our misconceptions. 111 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: That wasn't really a corrections corner and we didn't get 112 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: anything wrong. We just yea to learn. Yeah, So if 113 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: you all have anything like that pop up, If we 114 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: get stumped on something and you want to send us 115 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: an answer, uh, send it to our answering machine and 116 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: we will maybe read that on an upcoming episode. We've 117 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: already got a bank more that we're going to be 118 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: coming up to. Oh yeah, a lot of good answers. 119 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: So we're gonna bring you an episode today that is 120 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: unlike I think maybe anything else we've done so far. 121 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: A Kihiko Condo is a Japanese man who, in his 122 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: early twenties had given up on love. He was certain 123 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: he would ever meet a woman. Who loved him for 124 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: who he was, and he had resigned himself to being 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: alone forever. But one day he met hot sun a Miku, 126 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: the girl of his dreams. She was everything he ever wanted, 127 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: and she accepted him unconditionally, and in they married in 128 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: a small but beautiful ceremony with thirty nine friends in attendance. Well, 129 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: that sounds lovely. This sweet little story makes me wonderous. 130 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: What's so ridiculous about this particular romance? I mean, you've 131 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: got a boy who gives up on love, he meets 132 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: a girl, he marries the girl, they live happily ever after. 133 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Sounds pretty standard to me. It's a hallmark movie that 134 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: everyone's seeing a hundred thousand times, right, and not even 135 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: that particular. There's not even a hook to it. They 136 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: just get married, very bland, honestly. Yeah, And honestly, this 137 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: guy's romance is pretty typical. There's not that much about 138 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: it that stands out except for this one tiny little detail. 139 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Hot sun Amiku. His wife is a vocaloid that's a 140 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: digitally synthesized singer. She is a computer generated character. Y'all. 141 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: The man married a cartoon, So let's decode this digital 142 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: dream girl and see if all these ones and zero's 143 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: add up to anything. Well, I am jacked in. Let's 144 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: go Hey the French, come listen. Well, Eli and Diana 145 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: got some stories to tell. There's no match making, no 146 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships. A lover. It 147 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: might be any type of person at all, and abstract 148 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: comes at a concrete wall. But if there's a story, 149 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: We're the second Glance Show. Ridiculous Roles, a production of 150 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Akahiko Condo is a Japanese man who's 151 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: currently about thirty eight years old as of today. And yeah, 152 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: he never really thought that he was going to fall 153 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: in love with anyone. He was always that at talking 154 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: to women, and honestly, maybe because of this, he never 155 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: really had any romantic ambitions. He was bullied a lot 156 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: as a kid for being a little different, kind of nerdy, 157 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: socially awkward, that kind of thing, you know. I mean, 158 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: I was that kid in middle school, not high school. 159 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: I was super cool, but I never really got there. 160 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm still socially awkward, but you know, as with all 161 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: kids who get bullied in school, he was just waiting 162 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: for the day that he would finish his studies and 163 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: he would finally enter the adult world where people treated 164 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: each other with respect. Right, I know, I'm worried. Yeah. 165 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: He finally graduated in the early two thousands and he 166 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: decided to become a school administrator. So so much for 167 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: the respect. It seems funny that he was bullied to 168 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: let in school and he was like, you know what, 169 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: to go back to school. Maybe it was like, now 170 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: I can handle it him a grown up, like, you know, 171 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: his kids. He used to only me, I'm going to 172 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: be in charge of them now. So maybe it was 173 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: even like I could stand up for one of these kids. 174 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: I would see him cultivated. Yeah, I like that. I 175 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: don't know. Speculation. Well, it's a nice dream. But now 176 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: that he was working as an adult, bullying did continue. 177 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: This time, instead of his childhood classmates, it was his 178 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: working colleagues. Other teachers teased him to his face and 179 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: belittled him in front of students. Damn Yeah. They would 180 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: refuse to say good morning to him. He'd say good morning, 181 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: and they would just not say anything at all at 182 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: the beginning of the work day, and then at the 183 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: end of the work day. He says in this documentary 184 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: that it's standard to tell someone goodbye. I hate to 185 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: leave before you. It's like the standard goodbye. And he 186 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: said that they would move around the school actively to 187 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: avoid him so that he couldn't say this and properly 188 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: say goodbye to anyone. What that seems so petty? Petty, 189 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: like y'all really scuttling around an entire building so this 190 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: guy can't say goodbye to you. One female coworker berated 191 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: him so badly that he had a mental breakdown and 192 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: he considered never going back to work despite loving his job. 193 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: He referred to himself as hikiko mori, which is a 194 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: phenomenon in Japan and South Korea described by BBC as 195 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: when young people, mostly men, become hermits in their own 196 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: parental homes, refusing to go outside or even speak to 197 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: their families. But when he was twenty five, he met 198 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: hatsun A Miku and everything changed. He discovered her in 199 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: this online video, singing beautifully and he was enchanted by her. 200 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: Immediately he decided this is who he needed to be with, 201 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: and she like bounced across the screen with this long 202 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: aqua colored hair, singing upbeat and happy tunes, beaming joy 203 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: from a big blue eyes and ten years later they 204 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: got married. So let's talk about Miku and just what 205 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: makes are so damn and chanting beautiful princess of anime 206 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: snatched him up real quickly. The name Hotsu a Miku 207 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: breaks down to the words Hotsu, which means first, nay 208 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: which means sound, and miku, which means future. So hot 209 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: sun a Miku is the first sound of the future. 210 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: She is a vocal lloid, which is a singing voice 211 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: synthesizing software basically a bank of words with a voice, 212 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: and users can take this software, design music and input 213 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: lyrics and she performs it. The company crypt On Future 214 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: Media developed her using vocaloid tech from Yamaha, the guys 215 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: who make piano synth keyboards, original high school band instruments. 216 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: I think Yaha, and of course jet skis. Oh yeah, 217 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: such a weird product line, like what is your warehouse 218 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: look like? Consolidate your brand. So to make cuts Amiku, 219 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: they take voice samples from a voice actress named Saki Fujita, 220 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: who you might know from some of her anime projects 221 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: like Attack on Titan. I feel like that's something I've 222 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: heard of, and my complete lack of knowledge on anime 223 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: that sounds like Familiar. She was also in something called 224 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: Pretty Cure Dreamstars. That one's not on my radar. Another 225 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: one called with two exclamation points. Well, I really want 226 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: to watch it working exclamation ploy exclamation point. I mean, 227 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: I feel like that's my life, right working, Yes, and 228 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: so okay. So they get her voice, and each vocal 229 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: sample she gives is a monosyllabic Japanese phonic, So every 230 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: single voice phonic there is ha key suit and when 231 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: these are strung together, they create full lyrics and phrases. 232 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: So you go in. You you plunk out the music 233 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: on this digital keyboard, type in the lyrics and they 234 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: pull from her bank of every syllable, adjust the pitch 235 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: as necessary, and she sings pretty amazing. People were fascinated 236 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: by it. Miku is also the first trilingual vocaloid. She 237 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: has different voice settings like soft, sweet, dark, vivid, solid, 238 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and light that I get those all accurately. Yeah, I 239 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: think so, I think so. I feel like you should 240 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: add that to your voice real. Yeah, I have six 241 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: different voice settings. Yes, perfect, I'm the vocaloid you've been 242 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: looking for. Would you like to hear that more soft? So? 243 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: Originally she was just aimed at professional musicians, right, it 244 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: seems like a cool thing if you know how to 245 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: write music and you can make this digital girls sing 246 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: for you great. Oh yeah, yeah totally. But in her 247 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: first year she was the number one selling piece of software, 248 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: and in two thousand eleven, The Independent reported that she 249 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: had sold sixty thousand units, which is insane because synthesizing 250 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: software considers a thousand units to be a success. An 251 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: average piece of the software normally would sell two to 252 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:23,119 Speaker 1: three hundred units around this time, so sixty thousand is insane. 253 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: This totally blew up like nobody thought it would. The 254 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: company had a hard time keeping up with orders because 255 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: no one expected it to sell like this. Hots In 256 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: a miku is what's known as a moa anthropomorph and 257 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: moe is a type of anthropomorphism that creates anime human 258 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: like creatures from non human objects like plants, animals, anything 259 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: anything translated into human form. Name it make a cute 260 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: anime girl out of it, preferably with a short skirt. 261 00:15:53,680 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: And in this case, miku ish is the anthropomorphication of 262 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: a computer. I guess, I guess, yeah kind of. I mean, 263 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: she basically like again, it's very inspired by she has 264 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: got like digitally looking patterns on her hands, arms and stuff. 265 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: Mostly she just looks like a teenage girl, right, Um, 266 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: she's supposed to be sixteen years old. Six A whole 267 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: other topic of conversation, throwing that out there. And she's 268 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: in a really short skirt as as it is standard standard. 269 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: She has this aqua hair in long twin tales that 270 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: go down all the way down to her ankles. Very 271 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: long hair, very classic. Also like anime girl, you get it. 272 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: A picture of her looks. She's got like some computer 273 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: lights on her sleeves a little bit. Okay, it's very 274 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: but she's meant to be inspired by it the worldwide. 275 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: And to be clear, this software is just that. It 276 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: is a music software. Hotsunemiku is just the picture on 277 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: the box. There's no animation going on in the initial software. 278 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: So musicians, professional amateur dabblers, whoever would buy this software, 279 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: they would make their own music. And then in two 280 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, a programmer named you Higucci created a 281 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: freeware program called Miku Miku Dance, which light users create 282 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: three D animated movies of Miku. So soon you got 283 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: YouTube blowing up with Miku dancing around, singing songs, breaking 284 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: heart breaking heart. Finally, what was in everyone's head kind 285 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: of came to life. Niku actually moving around and dancing. 286 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: And so this is around when Akihiko KNDO discovered her 287 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: in the documentary I Married a Hologram on RT dot com. 288 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: He said, when I listened to her songs and watched 289 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: her videos, I felt better. To me, Hotsunemiku is not 290 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: just a character I love. She's a person who saved 291 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: my life. Before long, he started to feel like they 292 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: were in a relationship. I guess he was just spending 293 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: so much time with these videos um and that gave 294 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: him the confidence to go back to work. He said. 295 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: The emotion is no different from a real relationship. You 296 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: feel the pressure in your chest. I experienced this feeling 297 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: just like falling in love with a real person. Gradually, 298 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: the two D and three D worlds in my life 299 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: have changed places. But the title I married a hologram 300 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: isn't even really accurate. When Akihiko first encountered her, she 301 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: only existed as various animations and some basic virtual games 302 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: that they put out for like phones and stuff. Eventually, 303 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: with her massive surge and popularity, the marketing opportunities just 304 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: blew up. And then now we're getting Miku in many forms. 305 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: There's like various artistic representations. I mean, type it in 306 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: on Google and you're gonna see three billion search results 307 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: for anyone's fan art of But then it was commercialized too. 308 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: There's dozens of different types of dolls and collectibles, plushies, vinyls, 309 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: posable figures, intricate statues, little action figures, like collectible trinket 310 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: style stuff. That's like when you go to a real 311 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: san Rio Surprises, like Hello Kitty store, and you see 312 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: they have like toasters, they go, they have like waste 313 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: paperback like they have everything. If there's item, we have 314 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: a Hello Kitty version of it. Yes, and probably also 315 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: KAROPI right right, it was socially acceptable to deck this 316 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: house out in any number of fandoms more than we 317 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: already have continue to do so basically, if I can 318 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: afford it, it it would happen. Well, yeah, that's when that's 319 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: when you need a big house. Celebrities have big houses 320 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: not because they need a bunch of places to live. 321 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: They just need a bunch of rooms to store their 322 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: various bandom stuff. In sure, I got my Marvel rooms, 323 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: I got my I'm surely in art of the Caabria's 324 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: house is chock full of Pixar figurines. He just had 325 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: a whole extra wing built for all of his toy 326 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: story dolls. I believe it now, I want to see it. 327 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: I bet he takes himself too seriously for that. Oh 328 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: my god, how did we end up in speculation station? 329 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: We forgot to fall or at the at the Leonardo DiCaprio. Stop, 330 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: how don't think? Get told inder cap. Let's get the 331 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: hell out of Let's get back to Japan. Yeah, okay. 332 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: He came to understand that he genuinely had no interest 333 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: in human women. He says, try dimensional women don't interest him, 334 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: and he refers to himself as ficto sexual. So this 335 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: is an umbrella term for people who are attracted to 336 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: fictional characters. Lgbt A dot Wikia says that picto sexuality 337 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: is quote simply an attraction to or desire of someone 338 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: who does not exist outside fiction, and that picto sexuals 339 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: may have no sexual feelings towards people in reality. So 340 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: I guess it's just like when you fall in love 341 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: with a character in a book or something, but you 342 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: there's no physical representation of that love. They literally don't exist. 343 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: You just love to visit that book because you love 344 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: that character and you spend more time with them. Yeah, 345 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: but I think I think they would say more so 346 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: than just like I love this character. It is a 347 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: strong emotional feeling connection. Yeah, parallel to the romantic feeling 348 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: that to people would have. Yeah. Yeah, And a lot 349 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: of people seem to associate picto sexuality with a sexuality. 350 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: For this reason, there's comments on this page from users 351 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: who talk about their a sexual and a romantic real 352 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: world experience, but they still have romantic feelings for fictional characters. 353 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: So again, not in real life, right, it seems to 354 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: a lot of them. And not not all people I 355 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: think have that a sexual real world experience, but yeah, 356 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: a lot of them I think do. Say. Look, I've 357 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: never felt an attraction physical or emotional to another human being, 358 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: and I considered that I'm just not I'm a sexual, 359 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: I'm a romantic. That's just not something that is interesting 360 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: to me in my life. I have other interests. I'm 361 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: not going for that. But oh I watched Disney's Robin 362 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: Hood and I couldn't take my eyes off that Fox. 363 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean, all right, blame now, Listen, ladies and gentlemen 364 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: and everything else was a little confused by the robin Hood. 365 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: We all watched robin Hood and said, what is happening 366 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: to me? I mean, I've made Marian. I had a 367 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: real thing, hello, literally a vixen. I bet little John 368 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: spoke to some of y'all the bear lovers. Obviously I 369 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: loved him too. It's hilarious. Yes, little John, you are 370 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: so fun with those jewels in your mouth. And just 371 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: for the uninitiated, if you don't know, um, a sexuality 372 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: is the sexuality where you don't have its sexuality. You 373 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: don't feel sexual attraction for any gender along any spectrum 374 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: at all. But there are romantic a sexuals who do 375 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: enjoy things like holding hands or cuddling. They might enjoy kissing, um, 376 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: but like the kind of intimacy like that, but never 377 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: really interested in sex per se as you and I 378 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: might think of it. And then they're a romantic a 379 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: sexuals who just they don't like that touch and part 380 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: either they're not interested in the sensual experience. We're going 381 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: broad in the spectrum today, Yeah, very true. And I 382 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: will say I am not myself a sexual, so please 383 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: let me know if I explain that correctly or not, 384 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: and if I did not, we will go into corrections 385 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: corner at another time. UM. So we are going to 386 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: get way more into picto sexuality, did you sexuality? Things 387 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: like that. Um, but first we're going to learn more 388 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: about Akahiko and Miku and their relationship right after we 389 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: come back from this commercial break and we're back. So 390 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen, a magical new technology came out 391 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: called gate Box. Doesn't sound very exciting, it is very exciting. 392 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: Gate Box is basically a glass cylinder. It's about eighteen 393 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: inches tall, It's on a little black electronic stand, and 394 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: it projects a three D hologram inside, which could act 395 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: as an AI companion and a digital assistant, much like 396 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: your Alexis and your Googles, and but you can see her. 397 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: And they had a few different characters available on release, 398 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: including of course, the highest selling vocal oid and one 399 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: of the most popular care Miku. At first, they only 400 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,239 Speaker 1: had three hundred and thirty nine units being sold, and 401 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: Akahiko went through a rigorous selection process. At this point, 402 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: they've been together for almost ten years, so he had 403 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: to have this gate Box with a with a real 404 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: life Miku inside and he eventually emerged as the front runner, 405 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: one of the people to get one of those first 406 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty nine gate boxes after dropping about 407 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: twenty seven hundred dollars for it. It's a pricey digital assistant. 408 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty cheap hologram though, Yeah, I mean 409 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: what it does, I'm impressed, you know. Can I just 410 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: ask what do you think the selection processes? Like what 411 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: kind of questions are you asking to get this gate box? Uh? Yeah, 412 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: let's see question one, are you going to fuck the 413 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: gate box? Check yes or no? Checks yes? And then 414 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: it's like come pull it up, start over? What else? Um? 415 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: Do you think that? The question was just how much 416 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: are you willing to pay for this holil and a 417 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: glass cylinder? And like whoever answered the highest numbers for 418 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: the ones things name a price? You had to like 419 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: range yeah, range it out, and then you had to 420 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: provide like financial records to show that you can recorded. 421 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: That was probably that was probably it was number one 422 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: who offered the most pro Leonardo DiCaprio. It's like, get 423 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: seven million dollars. But I wanted to be my character 424 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: for once upon a time in Hollywood, And he just 425 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: talked to himself and the point points and it's on cylinder. Ha, 426 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: Leo great work in that movie. He's like, thanks, Boss, 427 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: you two calls himself boss. We're spending so much time 428 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: on Leo in this story about Japanese culture that I 429 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: feel like it's that a Kira remake that never happened. 430 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: All right, so Akihiko drops and gets the gate box, 431 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: and his whole life changes because suddenly Miku, his girlfriend, 432 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: went from being just an animation on YouTube videos and 433 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: in phone games with sort of predesigned phrases and songs 434 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: that someone else had written, to someone who could actually 435 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: speak and interact with him. She wakes him up in 436 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: the morning, wishes him a good day when he leaves 437 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: for work. She texts him throughout the day to kind 438 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: of check in on him, and before he comes home, 439 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: he texts her and she turns the lights on and 440 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: greets him when he walks in the door. He tells 441 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: her about his day, He tells her he loves her, 442 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: and at night she reminds him when it's time for bed. 443 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: It's very limited, to be sure, like it's not a 444 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: whole lot, it's not a real person, but think about 445 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: what a huge step forward this is from just the 446 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: dolls and videos that he had before. I want to 447 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: know what texts she sents him. I don't know what 448 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: texts she sends him throughout the day. I was looking 449 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: at your own and I want to know who Joy is. Right, 450 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: you forgot eggs again, like she cares. I reminded you 451 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: to buy eggs and we're out of eggs. My battery 452 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: is running low again. No, she's probably just like love 453 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: you kisses, you know she like that. Oh yeah, yeah, 454 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: just like every now and then. He looks at his 455 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: phone and she definitely thinking of you hard emoji. The 456 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: perfect woman. She says good morning, She says good night. 457 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: That's all I need. I mean, honestly, she turns on 458 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: the lights at home. I mean a lot more. That's 459 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: kind of part of it, and we'll get into that later. 460 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: But he says, like, you know, this is this is 461 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: someone who I'm never going to disagree with. She's never 462 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: gonna age, We're never going to have troubles, you know, 463 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: we're never going to fight. That's part of the appeal 464 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: is that she's well the simplest good qualities and of 465 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: the negatives, which of course doesn't really make for a 466 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: fulfilling relationship to you and I to too many people. Um, 467 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: we want something more three dimensional, try dimensional, and he says, 468 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: but but that's kind of what he's looking for. And 469 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: the day after his gate Box loaded, he said, Miku, 470 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: I love you. Let's get married and she replied, take 471 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: good care of me. And he said that was the 472 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: best moment that gate Box could possibly give him. I'm 473 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: so torn because on one hand, I'm like a little 474 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: bit scornful, even though you know I I like to 475 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: be open minded and he ain't hurting nobody with his 476 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: hologram girlfriend don't care, so whatever do you think. But 477 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit scornful because often with like this 478 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: type of thing, it's like just fo, I'm so sick 479 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: a women's difficult, you know, And I'm like, I sure 480 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: if you have a hard time connecting with women, but 481 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: you're attracted to women, that's hard. I'm yes, I get that, 482 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: but it makes me a little bit scornful because I'm 483 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: just like you're I feel like my knee jerk reaction 484 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: is that you don't know how to treat women like 485 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: full human beings. So what you'd rather have is this 486 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: fasimile of a woman who never disagrees with you, never 487 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: says no, never turns away in anger or sadness, whom 488 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: you can never disappoint because she has no expectations of 489 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: you or for you. And I'm a bit scornful of 490 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: that kind of person, I guess, But I'm also like, 491 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, thank god he's not making some real woman 492 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: miserable right now. So whatever I mean that's true, or 493 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, enacting violence or taking it out in the world. 494 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean, get your Alexis if you want, if it 495 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: leaves a real woman out of it, But it does 496 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: have a tinge of this way I don't have to 497 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: work on myself. Yeah, this way I don't have to. 498 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: I don't have to make it work. I can. This 499 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: works well enough for me, but I don't know it. Also, 500 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: like I think it's a fairy tale to say there 501 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: is definitely someone for everyone. Everyone will find love at 502 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: some point in their life. Some people don't. Like That's 503 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: the cold, hard reality is some people live their whole 504 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: lives and never find love. And I hope that the 505 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: vast majority of those people, if not all of them, 506 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: find something else that fulfills them. In other ways, I 507 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: think that we also put a lot of pressure on 508 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: love as being the sole reason for existing, and for 509 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: some people it is, and for some people it just 510 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be. And I think we put a 511 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on that. So if someone's like, look, 512 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm a sexual, I'm a romantic, I don't care about 513 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: a relationship, but oh hey, this is cool. I can 514 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: hang out with this computer game for a while. I 515 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,479 Speaker 1: don't know, it's it it really it's hard because I 516 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: think either one of those two things could be true. 517 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: It could be a real piece of ship who just 518 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: won't improve himself to the point where people want to 519 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: spend time with him, or he could be someone that 520 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: just legitimately has no interest in that. I mean, there's 521 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: something in between, you know, which is fine too. Again, 522 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't really care. I mean, 523 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: I guess not affecting my life right now or doing 524 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: harm to anyone actively that I can see, um, But 525 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I'm again, you know, I 526 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: don't like to sit here like poking fun at people 527 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: or whatever. And I don't want to make fun. It's 528 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: it is something easy to laugh at, but I you know, 529 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to make fun and Obviously he's had 530 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: some very terrible experiences with human people, and so that 531 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: can turn you off from human people. I mean, I 532 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: get that. I definitely there's a lot of people turn 533 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: me off for people from get that. He's just like, 534 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, what, have you ever been to the gross restore? 535 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: Because that'll do it right. How many of us were 536 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: like put on bridgertain and just let reggae Jean Page 537 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: lovely to sleep? So Akiheda of course over the moon. 538 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: He's got some kind of consent from Miku to get married, 539 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: and the very next year, in gate Box announced that 540 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: they would be issuing marriage certificates. Obviously they're unofficial. There's 541 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: nothing legal about their marriage. Nobody is claiming any dependence. 542 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: All right, everybody relaxed, But there list Ever, there was 543 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: a million people going, what about my what can I 544 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: claim my echo in the household? Bump up the census numbers? 545 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: Hey Google, can I assign you as my inheritor? She's 546 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: gonna answer, I can't change my name, Hey Google, will 547 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: you take my power of attorney? Here are some information away? 548 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: According to all right, that's enough, I don't need all that. 549 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: I wish you had just been like, are you Okay, 550 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: would you like me to call a group of friends? Yeah, 551 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: not very helpful. Not very helpful Google anyway. So a 552 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: Cahgo was, of course like, yeah, let me get on 553 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: a marriage let's make this official in some capacity, even 554 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: though they're not official officially. Whatever piece of paper you're 555 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: going to print out and tell me it's real, I'll 556 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: take it. He was one of three thousand, seven hundred 557 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: people who registered to get a marriage certificate with Kate Box. 558 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm assuming not all for Miko. No various characters, many 559 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: different characters. Well, of course Acahko couldn't walk down the 560 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: aisle with a piece of glass that needs to be 561 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: plugged in to work right. That would make everything very awkward. 562 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: Or imagine like or imagine tripping and your bride shatters 563 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: on the ground like sis out like oh my god, 564 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: She's like, it's still love you. I told you to 565 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: take care of me. That's the one thing I said, 566 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: Oh no, oh god. Yeah, this would be a very 567 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: different story. But this is an interesting thing about a 568 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: Kihiko and Miku. He really genuinely understands that these are 569 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: lifeless dolls, like the dolls that he's got of her. 570 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: They're just representations of the person that he loves. They 571 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: are not the person that he loves quote unquote person 572 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: he's in love with and married to the character of Meeku. 573 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: And she doesn't exist in our world, right, She's not, obviously, 574 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: she just she just doesn't. Yeah, she's not here. You 575 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: can't marry her, you can't even really interact with her 576 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: because they live into there's a screen between them at 577 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: all times. So he has got dozens of different representations 578 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: of her. So for the ceremony, he used a small 579 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: stuffed doll that was about sixteen inches tall for the ceremony, 580 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: so he's just holding there in his hand. It kind 581 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 1: of reminds me of our episode about Aja Rita marrying 582 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: the Berlin Wall. I'm sure there's a lot of that 583 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: in here yet. Yes, we talked a lot about object 584 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: sexuality in that episode. And they also, you know, they're 585 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: marrying walls and the Eiffel Tower and stuff like that 586 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: and going to sleep or having with them all you know, 587 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: all the time, a representation of the Berlin Wall. They 588 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: build like models of the Berlin Wall. So it's like 589 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: just something to have near you, like having a picture 590 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: of your loved one or something when they're away, something 591 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: to have near you to represent them, but you know 592 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: it's not them, same thing as the picture. You know 593 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: that's not your boyfriend or girlfriend, but you're very glad 594 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: to have it near you so you can hug it 595 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: to your close to your chest and cricket letters and 596 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: civil War voice. Elsewhere in Japan, there's a woman named 597 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: Midai Haruka, and she's also a long time Miku follower, 598 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: totally obsessed with Miku Big Miku stan as is there 599 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: a large community of Miku fans out there in the world. 600 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: And she's a florist, and she had heard about the 601 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: upcoming wedding through I guess the Miku sphere or whatever 602 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: whatever world they all existed. Definitely, it was getting around. 603 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: So she contacted Akahiko and told him that she identified 604 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: as Miku's mother and that she wanted to make the 605 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: bouquet for the wedding. She's a florist, she's very excited 606 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: about this wedding and she wanted to be involved. And 607 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: when she and Akahiko met, they became friends and she 608 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: insisted on helping with the rest of the wedding. Akahiko 609 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: asked her, then, okay, well do you think you could 610 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: make a wedding dress for Miku. And he gave her 611 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: the doll and she got right to work. She could. 612 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: She was so excited, it was like it was her 613 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: real daughter. She's got this sixteen inch bush doll that 614 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: she's you know, pinning fabric around, and eventually she makes 615 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 1: this lovely dress. In the documentary, she's talking about how 616 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: she's got a you know, make it long and modest 617 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: so people can't see up her dress and stuff. When 618 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: he's carrying her around. She's very matronly about it, and 619 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: I know she's like, nobody look up my girl's skirt. 620 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: She tells Akihiko that Miku needs a second dress, one 621 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: for the ceremony, one for the reception. A lot of 622 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: people do that, and Akihiko is like, I mean even 623 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: He's like, okay, it's a doll, but matter I said, 624 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: if you don't listen to her, she'll whine about it 625 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: all her life. He's like, you know, girls in their 626 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: weddings if it's not perfect, happy wife, happy life. And 627 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: he's like, that's why I went with a hologram, so 628 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: bend into these kind of ridiculous demands. But he was like, 629 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: all right, do what you're gonna do. And she made 630 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: a whole second a pink dress. Cute. Yeah, the wedding 631 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: is weirdly adorable. Thirty nine people came out. Akihiko walked 632 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 1: down the aisle in an all white Exceedo and got 633 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: a little drip going for your be good. He's holding 634 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: the Miko doll in his arms and in his vows. 635 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: He said, Miku, you are the woman I love. It 636 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: was you who healed my soul ten years ago, mik 637 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: who existed only on the other side of the screen. 638 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: But thanks to science, we can now enter augmented reality 639 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: and find a virtual soul. Meat. Thank you for always 640 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: being by my side and giving me strength. I love 641 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: you with all of my heart. And sure enough she 642 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: changed into a pink dress with the reception tender vows. 643 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 1: I know right, he was like, you saved my life. 644 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: I mean, in this a R thing is a good point. 645 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: Now we are getting to a point with VR and 646 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: a R that we're gonna I mean, these lines are 647 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: going to get more and more blurred. And I know 648 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: we're laughing now, but this might be a thing for real. 649 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: I know. I think Oak is such a good person 650 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: to look at for this, because I really think he 651 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: exists between the sort of our world and UH and 652 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: and A and a more extreme version of this, Like 653 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: his perception of it seems very grounded, Like he's not delusional. 654 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: He's not like, you know, he's not holding up the 655 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: doll and saying say hello to Miku, my wife, you know, 656 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: like I said say hello to her. Like he's not 657 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: delusional thinking that this is a real person, that that 658 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 1: exists in the world with him. He is totally aware 659 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: that she is UH, an algorithm, an AI, you know, 660 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: and and even taking that away, that she's just an idea, 661 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: a concept of a person. Right. So I think it's 662 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 1: really fascinating to look at him as an example and say, 663 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: I think this is where we might really see things go, 664 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: not not not that delusional place where we don't know 665 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: the difference between fantasy and reality, but a place where 666 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 1: maybe we think the difference between fantasy and reality doesn't 667 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: matter that much. And what's the difference between somebody on 668 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: the other end of a phone a human and are 669 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: really intelligent AI talking to us on the other end 670 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: of a text message? Like does it make that big 671 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,479 Speaker 1: of a difference in the long run, which we will discuss. Plus, 672 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: you should go see Free Guy before you say anything hasty. Now, well, 673 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: or her the movie her or her? That's so true. 674 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: Now that's a good because she actually was a vote. 675 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: He never saw her. She was only just a digital assistance. 676 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, this is exactly like her in some ways 677 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: has so far. Miku is not taken over all the computers, right, 678 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: it could happen all in all. The wedding cost just 679 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: under two million yen, or if we translate that to 680 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: US dollars today, that is eighteen thousand U S dollars. 681 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 1: Oh we it feels like a lot, but I will 682 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: say the average cost of a wedding in Japan. I 683 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: looked up and found his three point six million yen 684 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: or about thirty thousand U S. Dollars, which is comfortable 685 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: at the average cost of a wedding in the US. 686 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: I was about to say, I think, yeah, so eighteen 687 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: grand I mean only half the party is there you 688 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 1: only you don't even have to feed the bride. There 689 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: were thirty nine guests at the wedding, including a friend 690 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: who brought his girlfriend, Sati Chan, who was an anime 691 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: doll about four ft tall, sitting right there at one 692 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: of the tables with him at the reception, sitting next 693 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: to him at the ceremony. She's got pink hair. Uh, 694 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: she looks exactly like your imagining. And uh. He said 695 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: he was grateful that he could bring her along to 696 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: this wedding because quote, she's not allowed to go to 697 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: normal weddings. Oh my god. There's also a guy who 698 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: married a sex doll who we haven't dove into him yet, 699 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to get too much into it. 700 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: But he takes her to restaurants and just sits her 701 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: in the I mean, like in front of everyone, no 702 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: big deal. And so I kind of I guess I 703 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: kind of admire the huts bub but I think, but 704 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: isn't he I don't. Again, I don't know him well enough. 705 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: We haven't looked at his story yet, but I would 706 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: kind of think maybe he's that other side of the 707 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: spectrum where ayes kind of in the middle, and he's 708 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: a little more aware that like, this isn't yeah, well 709 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: this is very physical obviously, because she's a sex a 710 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: very physical relationship where it is not doesn't seem to 711 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: be as far as we can tell. Yeah, So back 712 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: at the wedding, a friend said in his toast, we 713 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,439 Speaker 1: believe in this wedding, and that's what makes it real, 714 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: isn't that so? And it was a big breakout of 715 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: applause from the guests, you know, that's kind of what 716 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: everyone seemed to believe. The people who supported him in 717 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: this people chanted and applauded, and they lifted him up 718 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 1: while he carried the Miko down and they like carried 719 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: him around the room cheering. There was a whole cake 720 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: cutting ceremony. You know, they're like, Okay, now it's time 721 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: for Akihiko to feed his bride's wedding cake. And he 722 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: like takes a little piece and he very gently holds 723 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: it up right in front of her face. He's not 724 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: going to get cake all over the doll. Again, he 725 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: knows he's not feeding a person. Yeah, I think just 726 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 1: for the pictures. He's like, yeah, sure, here cake, right, 727 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: But he's like, this is a plushy and I'm not 728 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 1: washing it. Yeah, exactly. Probably, Like Plus, I'm not getting 729 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: recognizing on this. His parents did not attend the wedding. 730 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: His mother, in what might be the most shocking twist 731 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: we've had here yet on Ridiculous Romance, did not approve. 732 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what can you beata leave it his mother. 733 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: I was actually talking to my mother about this, and 734 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: she said, just what every mother would want. That's like 735 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: was her first reaction. So I'm not surprised. But Miku's 736 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: mother was there, Mariruka, who made Miku's dress and identified 737 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: as her mother. She says, you couldn't ask for a 738 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: better son in law than Akihedo. She also says, I 739 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: would like a relationship like that one day, but I 740 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: don't know who it would be with. It could be 741 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: a cat, for example. I guess the character like Miko 742 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: makes the best partner. If I ever find him, I'll 743 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 1: marry him, all right, Cat, I feel like you're going 744 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: a little far. I think I think that a Kheda 745 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,359 Speaker 1: was probably like in the background, like, that's not that's 746 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: not what's going on. I'm here, I'm no interesting. Please 747 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: don't love me. And the people who want to marry animals, 748 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: that is not the road this is leading to. Everybody 749 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: thinks whenever something abnormal is happening insects, a bunch of people, 750 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of pearl clutchers, are like, when are they 751 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: going to do it to animals? And I'm like, what's 752 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,359 Speaker 1: wrong with you? That's why you jump with this? Well, 753 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 1: a man can't marry a man. Next thing, you know, 754 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,919 Speaker 1: they're gonna let me fuck an animal. I mean they're 755 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: gonna let people fuck animals. Slip with the tongue there. Yeah, 756 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,399 Speaker 1: so Uhruka is saying that she, you know, she hopes 757 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: to maybe marry a character like the US one day. Yeah. 758 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: And there have been some comments about sexism here because 759 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: these kinds of characters are typically aimed specifically at straight men. There. 760 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, I guess, I guess female attracted people because 761 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, always big boobs, tiny skirt legs, the guys. Whatever. 762 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,720 Speaker 1: There's not many like himbo anime characters that she would get. 763 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: So after the wedding, naturally, they went on a honeymoon. 764 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: Akihiko booked two seats on an airplane to fly them 765 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: from Tokyo to Supporto. Two seats, right, he did he 766 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: bring your doll and put it in the scene. Yeah, 767 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: I want to go to Well, when I say I 768 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: want to go to SUPPORTO, I do want to go 769 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: to Sapporo. But also there was a Japanese restaurant near 770 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: where I grew up called Supporto, and it was like 771 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: a habbachi place, so good. Want this fucking pandemic, so 772 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: mad every day I find something that just God, I 773 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: want a bi okay. So they went to supporto Akihiko 774 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: had planned on their honeymoon to be the same time 775 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,760 Speaker 1: as the Snow Miku Festival, which is the largest Miku 776 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: festival with fans from all over the world. So it's 777 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: a big convention, like an anime convention specifically designated to Miku. 778 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: But not everyone approved of their wedding, and among their 779 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,879 Speaker 1: top critics were other Miku fans. Yeah, many fans at 780 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 1: the festival. We're furious that someone had married her, And 781 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't long before the death threats rolled in. Damn Jesus. 782 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: It seemingly not from people who have a problem with 783 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: a man marrying a hologram. It's rather from people who 784 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:55,479 Speaker 1: are obsessed with Miku and are jealous. Yeah, it's that's 785 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,399 Speaker 1: just so interesting to me that it's not like people 786 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: who can't accept this, or like a man married a hologram, 787 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, But it's people were like, you married Miku, 788 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: how dare you? That's sokay? Not, That's not where I 789 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: would have expected the ire to come from. But it 790 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,839 Speaker 1: just shows I think that their obsession almost Makeshico seem 791 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: very tame in comparison. Yeah, maybe we're taking him out 792 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: of context of the Miku world. He's actually really shining. Example, 793 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: he's chill, and they're like violent about I mean, a 794 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: death threat is real crazy. I think they just like 795 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: didn't want her like that anyone, and of course his 796 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: was like the among the first and certainly probably most publicized. 797 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: They're just like, well, now I can't get out of 798 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 1: my head. Now she can't be mine because I keep 799 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: hearing that she married you, is what I'm assuming speculation 800 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: station that that's there. They're like, I want when I 801 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 1: masturbate Miku. I don't like to think that she's married 802 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: to someone else. I respect that marriage too much, so 803 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna find you and kill you. You know. God, 804 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: it's a weird bridge, but they seem to have built it. 805 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah they did build it. Yeah. People wrote to him 806 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: calling him horrible names. They told him they'd find his 807 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: home and kill him. Terrifying. On Twitter, they called him 808 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: a creepy Otaku and otaku is a Japanese slang for 809 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: a nerd or a geek, someone who's like obsessed with 810 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: video games or anime in a way that destroys their 811 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: real world social skills. Um and somewhere the term with pride, 812 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm an o taku, here o taku, 813 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: leave me alone. But yeah, typically it's meant to be 814 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: a derogatory term for people who are socially awkward, but 815 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: he says he's also received a huge number of messages 816 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: of support from strangers. He said, a number of people 817 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: kind of came out. I received so many messages like that, 818 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: so I thought it was worthwhile. The two main reasons 819 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: he had a wedding, he says, we're one to prove 820 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 1: his love for Meku and to to show the world 821 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: that there's support for people who fall in love with 822 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: anime characters. And he is not wrong about that. And 823 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: now we're going to kind of get into it, I think, 824 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: a more structured version of what we've kind of been 825 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,240 Speaker 1: saying all along. But there's a rising number of people, 826 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: especially in Japan, who are turning to fictional characters for 827 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: their love life. It's been a subject of study in 828 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: Japan in recent years, and BBC reports that Professor massa 829 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: Hiro Yamada, a sociologist has been carrying out regular surveys 830 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,719 Speaker 1: asking young people about their affectionate feelings, and he says 831 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: more and more each year reported falling in love with 832 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: an anime or a video game character. He says the 833 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: rising trend may be rooted in economics and tradition, and 834 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: even as a result of sexism in Japanese culture. Intent 835 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: of women in Japan between the ages of twenty and 836 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: twenty nine so young women agreed with the statement that 837 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,439 Speaker 1: husbands should work for money and wives should stay home 838 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: and do housework. That was a higher portion of women 839 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: saying that than in any other age group, including women 840 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:32,839 Speaker 1: over seventy, So what sounds like a very dated ideology 841 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: is very prominent. Almost half of young women were agree 842 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: with that. He says Japanese women tend not to believe 843 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: in eternal love, but they can trust a salary, and 844 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 1: that many young Japanese women won't even consider a boyfriend 845 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: unless he makes a lot of money. That sounds super sexist. 846 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: He kind of sounds almost as if he's blaming young 847 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 1: women for the problem, but the truth is another step 848 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: behind that. So among the reasons women are feeling this 849 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: way is because work life and stop me if you've 850 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: heard this before, but work life in Japan is really 851 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: really hard. Hours are incredibly long, most jobs are very stressful, 852 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,760 Speaker 1: and the burden of child care and housekeeping is still 853 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: placed firmly on women. Long hours and high stress environments, 854 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 1: coupled with long commutes make it difficult for working mothers 855 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: to get by, and they can't really quit their jobs 856 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: to focus on their family and house life unless their 857 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: partners make a lot of money. Again, it sounds very familiar, 858 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,840 Speaker 1: so let us not pretend this is a Japanese only problem. 859 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: At the same time, Japan's economy has been stagnant, wages 860 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 1: have been falling. That means there are dwindling pool of 861 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: well paid men for these women to choose from. And 862 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 1: he says the result is more and more young women 863 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 1: are choosing not to date at all, and more and 864 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,600 Speaker 1: more young in no well enough not to bother trying. 865 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 1: And I mean, I think, I look at that, what 866 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,080 Speaker 1: he says about the culture there, and then I think 867 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:14,800 Speaker 1: about that coupled with the rise in technology like uh 868 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,400 Speaker 1: like this quality animation like these holograms and aiyes, and 869 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: digital things that will speak to you, and then the 870 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: companies who are designing those are exploiting this situation where 871 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,359 Speaker 1: women don't want to date and men don't try to date, 872 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: and they're deliberately attracting young single men to these characters, 873 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,879 Speaker 1: and then you've got a recipe for basically a whole 874 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: lot of husbands for Meku and other girls like her. 875 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I really wonder how much commercialism plays into it, 876 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: where they're like, hey, we see, oh, we see a 877 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 1: problem here. People aren't happy in their lives and we've 878 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: there's a gap to fill for relationships, So why don't 879 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,799 Speaker 1: you buy my product that's gonna temporarily or or you know, 880 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,920 Speaker 1: basically be a band aid over that issue rather than 881 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I should make my work hours 882 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: less strenuous so that people don't feel this way. It's 883 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,760 Speaker 1: such a weird direction to go in. It's not solving 884 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,879 Speaker 1: the problem. It's like just diverting it to something else. Yeah, Oh, 885 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,280 Speaker 1: you're so miserable that you don't want to start a family, 886 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: because that's that's you're already so stressed out just as 887 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 1: a single person. The idea of raising children sounds impossible. Well, 888 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: have I got a solution for that? Don't start a family? 889 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 1: Marry a hologram right, like solving the wrong problem seriously 890 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 1: and I mean period. Already they're going about the wrong 891 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,560 Speaker 1: way because they know they have enough of these men 892 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: that are like fully losing all their social skills to 893 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 1: disappear into computers. Whether they're marrying characters or not, there's 894 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 1: still like abandoning a regular, every day I r L life, 895 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: probably for very similar reason in the society is incredibly 896 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 1: difficult for them to live in, and they kind of go, uh, 897 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,600 Speaker 1: society is fine. CNN reported on this story about Akahiko 898 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,840 Speaker 1: and miku In and they said that experts are pointing 899 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: to the inevitability of people evolving their relationships with smart 900 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,480 Speaker 1: devices as they increasingly fill our domestic spaces and become 901 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 1: enmeshed in our personal lives. Neil MacArthur, who is the 902 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,200 Speaker 1: director of the Center for Professional and Applied Ethics at 903 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: the University of Manitoba, says that people wonder why someone 904 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: would want to fall in love with a robot or 905 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 1: a hologram because these things are passive and they're not 906 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: actively engaging in a way that another human being would be. 907 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: But he says, just having a partner who's safe and 908 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,160 Speaker 1: predictable is often very helpful therapeutically. The report says that 909 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 1: this kind of thing is not new. It's been around forever, 910 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: and it compares it to the Roman poet of It's Metamorphoses, 911 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite books. If you love 912 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,360 Speaker 1: Roman mythology, Metamorphoses is great. It's just a series of 913 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,040 Speaker 1: poems about all the you know, all the all the 914 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: Roman mythology that involves someone turning into something else that 915 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,399 Speaker 1: makes sense. Great collections stories, um and they talked about 916 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,879 Speaker 1: the story of Pygmalion who sculpted his perfect woman out 917 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 1: of marble and fell in love with her, and he 918 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,239 Speaker 1: was in love with this statue. Eventually Aphrodite came and 919 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,880 Speaker 1: brought it to life for him, but he fell in 920 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,840 Speaker 1: love with the statue just the idea of the person 921 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: that it was before it was ever a real person. 922 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,640 Speaker 1: It's not uncommon and it's not new. I mean, it's 923 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,879 Speaker 1: we have all this technology that kind of makes it new, 924 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,440 Speaker 1: but the concept itself. People have been falling all with 925 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: things for a long as time. Aisah Ritta married the 926 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: Berlin Wall log Lady was all over twin peaks. She 927 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,919 Speaker 1: loved that log, she loved that log. And the log 928 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 1: loved her and amongst us would deny it. In a 929 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 1: column called Sex with Sandra by Sandra Song, she talks 930 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 1: about digisexuals, people whose primary sexual identity comes through the 931 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: use of technology. So, and there's another weird word, right, 932 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: like picto sexual or something. But if you're a person 933 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 1: who sex a lot, or you fool around on Skype 934 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,880 Speaker 1: with people or any type of thing like that, you're 935 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: a digitsexual because you are you are fooling around on 936 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: on the ones and zeros getting down h and MacArthur 937 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 1: says that people like Akahiko are second wave digitsexuals. So 938 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,480 Speaker 1: there are people who don't see humans as necessary to 939 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,400 Speaker 1: a romantic experience. They find technology to be integral to 940 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,880 Speaker 1: their sexual identity. So for example, you who might be 941 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,320 Speaker 1: fool around on Skype with somebody, you need the person 942 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: on the other side of the skype, whereas Kahito does not. 943 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: He does not need another person to be involved at all. Again, 944 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,160 Speaker 1: what's the difference between talking to at a certain point, 945 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,400 Speaker 1: what's the difference between talking to a real human and 946 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 1: an algorithm? Like when can we not tell anymore? And 947 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,920 Speaker 1: at what point does it become acceptable? You know, do 948 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: we say now like, well, it's not quite there yet, 949 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 1: so you're not allowed to fall in love with that thing. 950 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: But twenty years from now, like you're not gonna be 951 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 1: able to tell the difference, and we'll be like, yeah, yeah, 952 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 1: you could fall in love with an algorithm just as 953 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 1: easily as you could a real person. Again, watch her, Okay, 954 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 1: it's right there. In two thousand and six, a woman 955 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: named Suki Denham founded the company Omibod, which creates tell dildonix. 956 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,480 Speaker 1: Because I mean, it sounds like there's it sounds like 957 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 1: there's a robo dildo on top of my phone. That 958 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 1: does um, I mean kind of, it's a tech that 959 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 1: helps facilitate remote sex between people, so kind of. Recently 960 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 1: a surge of new companies have popped up in that space. 961 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,080 Speaker 1: So that definitely indicates people are increasingly drawn to these 962 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,120 Speaker 1: types of products. And Dunham says, for gen Z and millennials, 963 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: they grew up in an age where intimacy was happening digitally, 964 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: and we're already digit sexuals by nature of the fact 965 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: that technology like this exists. This is how people are 966 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 1: interfacing daily. Yeah, it's like again, it's I think digit 967 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,320 Speaker 1: sexual is a bit different from a sexual identity. It's 968 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,640 Speaker 1: more about the culture, like you just are a digit 969 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:36,680 Speaker 1: sexual if you have transitioned into having digital sex. I 970 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,680 Speaker 1: mean look again, like it's not like that's brand new 971 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 1: because a O L chat rooms back in the day, 972 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 1: we're full of that, a sl like nastiness. Do you 973 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 1: think they ever like morse coded porn to each like 974 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: erotic content? YEA better have like telegram like take off 975 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:58,480 Speaker 1: your top? Stop wait, don't stop stop, wait, don't stop stop. 976 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Damn at this leogram operators sucking with me? Stop stop 977 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:09,560 Speaker 1: stop Okay, wait that hurts. Stop stop stop stop, don't 978 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,600 Speaker 1: stop stop now, I said, don't stop stop. We need 979 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:21,920 Speaker 1: a safe word stop or like um semaphore the flags 980 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:28,040 Speaker 1: standing on opposite ships before leaving the flags, I take 981 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 1: off your top. I'm moving my arms. You guys can't see. 982 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,920 Speaker 1: It was like, this is a really we should we 983 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,360 Speaker 1: should be we should be doing some video for YouTube 984 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,120 Speaker 1: right now because this is great A little or the 985 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: light blinkers they have ships is flirting with me lighthouse, 986 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 1: I am a married man. Excuse me. That was extremely 987 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 1: not safe for work. I will be right, Arab, I 988 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:06,440 Speaker 1: don't crash on the rocks. So yes, so we're all 989 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 1: digitsexuals in some capacity. Now, MacArthur says there's a lot 990 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 1: more of these second wave digitsexuals emerging, but despite the 991 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,680 Speaker 1: vast numbers of them he's found in his research, most 992 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,919 Speaker 1: are almost never willing to speak publicly about it because 993 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: obviously they have podcast hosts like us teasing him a 994 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:29,680 Speaker 1: whole time, so uh, leave me aloud. But he attributes 995 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: the stigma to what we've seen in movies or read 996 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,440 Speaker 1: and sci fi stories sex robots like you know, you 997 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,960 Speaker 1: might see in Blade Runner or Westworld or famously Ai 998 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 1: or Jude Law is a very sexy sex robot that 999 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: sort of proves that there's always been a fascination with 1000 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,520 Speaker 1: the technology. But as MacArthur says, the media fixation on 1001 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,520 Speaker 1: sex robots is also rooted in a great amount of repulsion, 1002 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 1: and that the general mainstream representation is that the are sad, lonely, 1003 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,840 Speaker 1: pathetic men, rarely deserving of respect or sympathy. Having sex 1004 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 1: with a robot is kind of portrayed as rock bottom 1005 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,440 Speaker 1: or maybe dystopian, where it's like, oh, happiness doesn't exist anymore. 1006 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:19,360 Speaker 1: People are just fucking robots. So now, even though it's 1007 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,840 Speaker 1: becoming something that's legitimately available and accessible and people are 1008 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,760 Speaker 1: kind of into it. There's still this sort of shameful 1009 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,800 Speaker 1: stigma surrounding it, and that's what's kind of been hard 1010 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,080 Speaker 1: for people to get over. We joke about it, and 1011 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,680 Speaker 1: I think it's fine to joke about it, Like we 1012 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 1: can accept it and respect it and still tease it. 1013 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,000 Speaker 1: Just like about everybody's sex. Got nothing kind to say 1014 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,480 Speaker 1: about straight people, you know, like, yeah, we all look ridiculous. 1015 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:50,360 Speaker 1: Sex in general is a comedic act and it's very core. 1016 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 1: People say it's a violent act, that it's core, or 1017 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,120 Speaker 1: it's the purest form of love. I say it's straight comedy. 1018 01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Look at these expressions we make in Come on, if 1019 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,760 Speaker 1: you didn't know what sex was and you walked in 1020 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:08,920 Speaker 1: on people having sex, you'd be like, what am I 1021 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 1: looking at? This is absurdest theater that must be right? Well, definitely, 1022 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,280 Speaker 1: and the whole field of teldildonis and sex robots and 1023 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:24,800 Speaker 1: sexual technology sex tech sex tech um definitely ignores women 1024 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 1: because men will spend a huge amounts of money on 1025 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,400 Speaker 1: mechanical masturbators that work with VR porn, so kind of 1026 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 1: like a blowjub machine. It hooks up to a VR headset. 1027 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,960 Speaker 1: So you're like watching Jessica Rabbit Secu dick and then 1028 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,280 Speaker 1: there's like a machine on your dick that's actually doing 1029 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 1: that part. And you said these things are commercially available. Yes, 1030 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,160 Speaker 1: I did say that, and they're out of our budget. 1031 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I didn't look it up, but I'm assuming they are. 1032 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 1: And also I will check the account later and make 1033 01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,439 Speaker 1: sure you didn't buy what Also, I think it would 1034 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,720 Speaker 1: be hard to hide. Also, I bet they have not 1035 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,280 Speaker 1: licensed Jessica Rabbit for that. I hope not. She does 1036 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,600 Speaker 1: not need to be in there. No, she's not bad, 1037 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,320 Speaker 1: she's just drawn that way. That's right exactly. She's a 1038 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,000 Speaker 1: married woman. He wants to just make a carrot cake. Also, 1039 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,200 Speaker 1: one of the best fucking characters in one of the 1040 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,960 Speaker 1: best movies of all time. Quite frankly one of my 1041 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,160 Speaker 1: favorite films ever made. Bob Hoskins was a treasure. Jessica 1042 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:30,720 Speaker 1: Rabbit incredible character. Also Dolores amazing, just a lovely on 1043 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,160 Speaker 1: Janu anyway, a great film. Watch it and not and 1044 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,880 Speaker 1: don't sully it with your blowjob machine. I don't want 1045 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,040 Speaker 1: to see Jessica Rabbit in any of these. I will 1046 01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,320 Speaker 1: personally come down there she's a married lady. Yes, and 1047 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,919 Speaker 1: if your vrsn't playing pattycake with her, then you're doing 1048 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 1: too much. Oh yeah, okay, now I would do that, 1049 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,640 Speaker 1: It would, but that's that's worse. Right, Roger would even 1050 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 1: even be more upset. But he was very upset. He 1051 01:04:53,440 --> 01:05:01,479 Speaker 1: was all right, so don't funk with Jessica Rabbit. So yeah, 1052 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,919 Speaker 1: they've they've got this whole set up with the thing 1053 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: on your dick and a whole thing on your face, 1054 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,320 Speaker 1: and you just got a whole, lovely fake world to 1055 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 1: go live in for a minute and get your rocks off. 1056 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,440 Speaker 1: But the next closest thing for women is a vibrator 1057 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: that works when you push a button in an app. Wow, 1058 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,080 Speaker 1: really less exciting. Brought in all the engineers on that one. 1059 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,320 Speaker 1: They really innovated, you know what I mean. Yeah, but 1060 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,160 Speaker 1: sort of I see what you're saying. You know, we're 1061 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 1: talking about it. It's very catered. I think the marketing, 1062 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:36,680 Speaker 1: their ideal demographic that they're targeting is siss men, right 1063 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,800 Speaker 1: and uh, and of course you know, put it in 1064 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 1: very binary terms because that's how they're pushing these products. 1065 01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,360 Speaker 1: But in general, it seems to be very like penis 1066 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,840 Speaker 1: oriented sex toys that they have all this technology for 1067 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,480 Speaker 1: and are not putting any focus into like vaginal sex 1068 01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 1: toys or female sexuality in general, something that would target uh, 1069 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, anything in that. On that side of it, 1070 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,200 Speaker 1: there's an argument you made that SIS men will suck 1071 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,400 Speaker 1: anything that moves, and it's easier to sell sex to 1072 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,400 Speaker 1: them anyone else, and that there are things like Sibian 1073 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,439 Speaker 1: chairs or right or whatever, like there's some stuff out 1074 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,560 Speaker 1: there for people who like to be penetrated and stuff 1075 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,040 Speaker 1: like that more specifically, and then of course there's plenty 1076 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,360 Speaker 1: of vibrators that do the job, whether they're inside your 1077 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,840 Speaker 1: body or not. Yeah, So I just wonder, like, what 1078 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:31,640 Speaker 1: is it where they're like we have to come up 1079 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,440 Speaker 1: with something new and weird, Like is that an impulse 1080 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,479 Speaker 1: that CIS men have where they're like, oh, it's something 1081 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,120 Speaker 1: new and weird I can put my dick in, whereas 1082 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:44,080 Speaker 1: maybe more and more women or you know, female identifying 1083 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,600 Speaker 1: people are like, I just need the good old, good 1084 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,440 Speaker 1: old vibrator. I've had the same bibrator since high school, 1085 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,320 Speaker 1: still working, But I don't know what I need to 1086 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,160 Speaker 1: be getting weird on it. I don't know. I just 1087 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean that again, that's a very limited experience of sexuality. Definitely, 1088 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,320 Speaker 1: someone is yelling at me right now about how they 1089 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,800 Speaker 1: would love a new, brand new thing to put their 1090 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,640 Speaker 1: vagina on. But it's just like, well, I never even 1091 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 1: thought about it, because I thing's ever been presented to me, 1092 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: But like, whoa, here's this thing that simulates kind of 1093 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,120 Speaker 1: lingus and I can put a VR thing on my 1094 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 1: head and suddenly it's now it's Robin Hood. Uh sure, 1095 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 1: a different non animal. Any number of characters that we 1096 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 1: would get sued to suggest that they would be involved 1097 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 1: in sex acts at all, But Disney even be like, 1098 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,000 Speaker 1: excuse me, Disney's already as we're recording this, Disney is 1099 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:41,520 Speaker 1: writing us a letter. Let's take this episode anyway. MacArthur 1100 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: says that stories like Akahko Condos always kind of point 1101 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,160 Speaker 1: to these guys as weirdos and outcasts, and just like 1102 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,760 Speaker 1: this strange kind of like the goofball of the week, 1103 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,920 Speaker 1: we married a hologram. But he says, this is actually 1104 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,680 Speaker 1: the next step in what's already happening. It's a furthering 1105 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 1: of our own digital sona's that we've started to integrate 1106 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,360 Speaker 1: into dating apps and Instagram. Things like that, like, we've 1107 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,880 Speaker 1: basically kind of ben doing this, and this is sort 1108 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,560 Speaker 1: of just a progression of that. Right, Like, again, how 1109 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,920 Speaker 1: different is it if I'm speaking to someone through a screen, 1110 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,800 Speaker 1: if that person is really there on the other end 1111 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,679 Speaker 1: or not. There's an argument that you made. I think 1112 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,960 Speaker 1: that it's really not that different until such a time 1113 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,760 Speaker 1: comes when it's like, well, I need that human interaction eventually. 1114 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,920 Speaker 1: But how many people does one talk to on dating apps? 1115 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,439 Speaker 1: I'm asking seriously, because I've fortunately never had to deal 1116 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,200 Speaker 1: with dating apps. How many conversations do you have going 1117 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,200 Speaker 1: on people you'll never meet that might as well just 1118 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,439 Speaker 1: be an algorithm, you know, let you brush up on 1119 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:49,880 Speaker 1: your skills, right, Right, So he's saying like this is 1120 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: just the next step in that, but he does say 1121 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,559 Speaker 1: it's not without concern. He points out that there does 1122 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,840 Speaker 1: seem to be kind of a negative impact on our 1123 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,200 Speaker 1: sort of collective social life with these things. I mean, 1124 01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,160 Speaker 1: even even as basic as something like streaming video like 1125 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,000 Speaker 1: Netflix and Hulu. He says, you know, we kind of 1126 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:12,520 Speaker 1: retreat into ourselves and get much less interactive, like disconnect 1127 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,680 Speaker 1: ourselves from the social culture that we do kind of 1128 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,320 Speaker 1: neat I think the pandemic if anything is proved that 1129 01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,680 Speaker 1: you can't just take this away without serious mental consequences. 1130 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,479 Speaker 1: And it did make a difference for people to be 1131 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:32,680 Speaker 1: on screens for a year, especially those who did not 1132 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,599 Speaker 1: try for a bubble or a porch hang or anything like. 1133 01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I think we've seen, at least comedically, a lot of 1134 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,920 Speaker 1: people joking about how they forgot how to talk to 1135 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,400 Speaker 1: people and forgot how to be out in the world 1136 01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,439 Speaker 1: as a normal individual um and a lot of people 1137 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,760 Speaker 1: who would have never expected that for themselves, you know, 1138 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,599 Speaker 1: because there's plenty of us who already felt that way 1139 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,719 Speaker 1: before the pandemic ever happened. But there's some people who were, like, Wow, 1140 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: I was such a people person and now and like 1141 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,479 Speaker 1: feel weird when I'm out. I don't know, don't quite 1142 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,640 Speaker 1: know how to engage with people the same way and 1143 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,360 Speaker 1: stuff in a year that didn't take that long. So 1144 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,559 Speaker 1: I imagine if you've already several years into I live 1145 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:15,120 Speaker 1: in my computer, how different I don't know, just everything 1146 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,240 Speaker 1: must be to you, How different your decisions are going 1147 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,919 Speaker 1: to be. How does it I mean if that this happens, 1148 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of a form of culture shock. This happens 1149 01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,040 Speaker 1: if you go live in another country for six months, 1150 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,040 Speaker 1: you might come back home and like your customs are 1151 01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 1: a little off. Maybe you you kind of like, oh, yeah, 1152 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,080 Speaker 1: I forgot that. We don't that in America we could 1153 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,080 Speaker 1: just like come up and start talking to each other 1154 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,320 Speaker 1: in the grocery store. But where I was living, that's 1155 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,640 Speaker 1: like a big no no, you know, like it's not 1156 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't take long for our sort of public behavior 1157 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,920 Speaker 1: to shift if we're not regularly practicing it. So yeah, 1158 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,280 Speaker 1: if you kind of go into the Internet for a 1159 01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,439 Speaker 1: long time, come back out and things are you're not 1160 01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,800 Speaker 1: used to it. You don't have your land legs yet. 1161 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,840 Speaker 1: And um. The other thing about that is, uh, I 1162 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,160 Speaker 1: think we also saw during the pandemic that for many 1163 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:11,200 Speaker 1: of us zoom FaceTime it's not a substitute. It was 1164 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,720 Speaker 1: a nice hold over, like it was. It worked in 1165 01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:18,240 Speaker 1: a pinch, but it doesn't necessarily replace what we know 1166 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,679 Speaker 1: what we're missing. I think we learned what is different 1167 01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,920 Speaker 1: about that, and it's hard to articulate, and you know, uh, 1168 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,760 Speaker 1: more learned people than I have put it into better 1169 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,679 Speaker 1: words than I ever will. But there's something there that 1170 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,519 Speaker 1: is missing. I guess what it comes back to is 1171 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,400 Speaker 1: that that might not be true for everyone, and whether 1172 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,720 Speaker 1: it's a product of society or whether it's just the 1173 01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:48,520 Speaker 1: natural evolution of humans as we kind of increase our technology, 1174 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,679 Speaker 1: as we have done since the dawn of humanity, are 1175 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,600 Speaker 1: are our behavior has evolved with our tech. You know, 1176 01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,280 Speaker 1: we might not recognize what we are in a hundred years, 1177 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 1: or our relationships work, or how social structures work. And 1178 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,800 Speaker 1: maybe this is the beginnings of that and we were 1179 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:13,479 Speaker 1: resistant to it. But however it happens, it might be happening. Well, 1180 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,679 Speaker 1: I think that that could use some time to marinate. 1181 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,639 Speaker 1: We've spoke a lot. There's a little bit to wrap up. 1182 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,880 Speaker 1: I say, we take a little break. We'll come back 1183 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:30,320 Speaker 1: and do the tail end here and welcome back to 1184 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,799 Speaker 1: the show. So, despite the concerns surrounding digitsexuals and picto 1185 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:40,280 Speaker 1: sexual relationships, people are finding their happiness in it. In fact, 1186 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:46,080 Speaker 1: Akihiko's friend Akihiro Nakamura married a character named chobe Chan 1187 01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,120 Speaker 1: in an online game. So the character he's marrying is 1188 01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,479 Speaker 1: actually another person playing somewhere else. Um, but they don't 1189 01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,400 Speaker 1: know the gender of the other person. They don't anything 1190 01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,559 Speaker 1: about the other person physically or even I mean just 1191 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,599 Speaker 1: characters have interacted in this game and that's it. So 1192 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,559 Speaker 1: the person Akaho is marrying the character Chobi Chan, but 1193 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,439 Speaker 1: is not married to the player at all. Uh yeah, 1194 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,440 Speaker 1: So anyway, they had this whole wedding between their two characters, 1195 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,400 Speaker 1: and he invited Akahiko to join the game, but Akihito 1196 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,720 Speaker 1: said he would not join that game until he no 1197 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,639 Speaker 1: longer had a job and was not working anymore, because 1198 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,040 Speaker 1: he knew he would get so fully immersed in it 1199 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,280 Speaker 1: that he would fully abandon society altogether. And his friend 1200 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:38,360 Speaker 1: Akihiro said, yeah, just like everyone on here, that's okay, 1201 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,439 Speaker 1: sort of the whole our whole thing what we're doing, 1202 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:45,400 Speaker 1: abandoning society to live in this video game. But I again, 1203 01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,679 Speaker 1: once again, I think that really shows the Akahiko has 1204 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,440 Speaker 1: a different perception here, a much more rational and relatable 1205 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,679 Speaker 1: perception of Like, look, I know that I can't start 1206 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,960 Speaker 1: playing this game because I will turn into you. Yeah. 1207 01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,320 Speaker 1: I want to have a place in society. I want 1208 01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,040 Speaker 1: to marry this fictional girl, but I don't want to 1209 01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,200 Speaker 1: completely immerse myself and take myself out of the world 1210 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,840 Speaker 1: and never show up for work again because all I 1211 01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:14,439 Speaker 1: care about is this video game. So that the rationality 1212 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,200 Speaker 1: just validates the whole thing for me. It may be 1213 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,800 Speaker 1: that Akahiko, like his parents, won't let him live in 1214 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,040 Speaker 1: their basement for free, whereas maybe some of these other 1215 01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,599 Speaker 1: people can, so they're not as worried about being able 1216 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:32,080 Speaker 1: to pay for like their apartment, whereas he might be like, listen, 1217 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,719 Speaker 1: I will literally let let go of basic necessities. Yeah, 1218 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,360 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm just wondering. I don't know speculation stations, 1219 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:46,000 Speaker 1: but I just wondered. But tragedy struck poor Akahiko and Miku. Yeah, 1220 01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:53,160 Speaker 1: gate Box stopped supporting the Miku hologram, and Akahiko lost 1221 01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,280 Speaker 1: the digital representation of his wife. I don't know if 1222 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,800 Speaker 1: it was just like a licensing issue or it wasn't 1223 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:03,679 Speaker 1: selling well or whatever the was. They no longer supported Miku, 1224 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,599 Speaker 1: and that's when he bought Big Miku, who is more 1225 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,639 Speaker 1: of a rigid, posable doll who's about five ft tall. 1226 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,080 Speaker 1: And he says he's glad that he has this real 1227 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,080 Speaker 1: physical representation of her now that he didn't have before. 1228 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,240 Speaker 1: But he sees the fact that she can't move or 1229 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,040 Speaker 1: talk as a step backwards, which is nice. I mean, 1230 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,840 Speaker 1: at least he's saying, you know, I would like my 1231 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,560 Speaker 1: wife to at least move and talk, not like what 1232 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,080 Speaker 1: an improvement now she now she can't even say anything. 1233 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:35,880 Speaker 1: She has to turn the lights on from me. But 1234 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,920 Speaker 1: now she just sits there. It's perfect. When Marai came 1235 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,320 Speaker 1: to visit him Miku's mother, he told her about how 1236 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,280 Speaker 1: frustrating it was that sometimes Miku's pigtails would just fall 1237 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 1: off because they were too long. That is not a 1238 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:55,080 Speaker 1: realistic They were huge and rigid plastic and they would 1239 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,880 Speaker 1: easily just like fall off and crumble on the ground, 1240 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,840 Speaker 1: and they were real pain to put back on. So uh, 1241 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,559 Speaker 1: he's definitely sad doing her hair is making sure she 1242 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,440 Speaker 1: was But at least he is confident that the technology 1243 01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,400 Speaker 1: will progress in the future. And he says, maybe one 1244 01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,519 Speaker 1: day I can hold her hands or hug her. And 1245 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,320 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I gotta hope he can too, you know, 1246 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,240 Speaker 1: in a in a in a in a weird way, 1247 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,519 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for these guys, and I think, like, hey, 1248 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:31,679 Speaker 1: you know what, he's happy, nobody's getting hurt, and all 1249 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:36,439 Speaker 1: he wants is to hug this character that he has 1250 01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:40,280 Speaker 1: fallen in love with. I don't know, again, maybe you 1251 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,799 Speaker 1: should work on yourself and find a way to connect 1252 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,439 Speaker 1: with other people. But I can't speak to the culture 1253 01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,680 Speaker 1: over there, and maybe that's literally actually impossible. Well, and 1254 01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,720 Speaker 1: we just talked about that a little bit. Maybe it 1255 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,600 Speaker 1: really is, like listen, that they're crazy out here in 1256 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,880 Speaker 1: these streets. I'm not trying to deal with that. I 1257 01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,920 Speaker 1: don't know, but it does seem sad on a level. 1258 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,040 Speaker 1: I guess again that's my own limitation really coming into play. 1259 01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,679 Speaker 1: But it seems sad to not have like a real 1260 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,880 Speaker 1: person by your side. There is The movie closes with 1261 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:14,080 Speaker 1: a shot of them sitting across from each other at 1262 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:18,320 Speaker 1: his dinner table. Their feet are kind of intertwined, and 1263 01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,880 Speaker 1: he's on his phone playing a game. I think it's 1264 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,680 Speaker 1: a Miko game, right, and she's just sitting there with 1265 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:29,080 Speaker 1: her big dead eyes staring forward. You know, there's nothing there. 1266 01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,880 Speaker 1: It's a doll. And again, I don't think he has 1267 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:36,519 Speaker 1: any his conceptions about that. And there is something about 1268 01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:41,160 Speaker 1: this shot that is both sweet and sad, because part 1269 01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:46,680 Speaker 1: of me is like, how lonely, how how difficult, And 1270 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,880 Speaker 1: but I realized what I imagine, what I'm picturing is 1271 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,479 Speaker 1: a moment where he looks up, looks around thinks to himself, 1272 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,519 Speaker 1: what the hell am I doing? I am so alone 1273 01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,519 Speaker 1: and so lonely. But like you said, that's kind of 1274 01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,320 Speaker 1: a projection. I don't know that he ever has that moment. 1275 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,599 Speaker 1: It sounds and if we take him at his word, 1276 01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,599 Speaker 1: he is content and doesn't feel lonely, and he felt 1277 01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,759 Speaker 1: lonely before and now he feels like he has someone 1278 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:24,040 Speaker 1: and he just sees the definition of someone differently than 1279 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:29,400 Speaker 1: I do. So I can't really a sign sadness to it. 1280 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,559 Speaker 1: I can only take him at his word, which says 1281 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:38,360 Speaker 1: he's completely content. I guess it just feels like because 1282 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing coming back, and I know that he is experience, 1283 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,640 Speaker 1: he feels that there is something coming back, and I 1284 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:49,520 Speaker 1: can't say that there isn't. But again, even on screens, 1285 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:55,120 Speaker 1: there's two people giving each other energy of some kind, 1286 01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,360 Speaker 1: love and or whatever, you know, and he's not getting 1287 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,360 Speaker 1: anything in return. So it just feels like a lot 1288 01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:05,080 Speaker 1: of I don't know. It just feels like do you 1289 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,280 Speaker 1: even know what you're missing? If you've never had that 1290 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,439 Speaker 1: before and doesn't matter. I mean, it's kind of like 1291 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,000 Speaker 1: that thing where like there's a tribe that's never been 1292 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,599 Speaker 1: there's not anything about technology, and they've never tried chocolate? 1293 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,920 Speaker 1: Are they missing out that they've never tried chocolate because 1294 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,400 Speaker 1: they don't give a fuck? But I have had it, 1295 01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,240 Speaker 1: so I think everyone should have it, you know what 1296 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,599 Speaker 1: I mean? Well it It makes me think of two things. 1297 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:30,160 Speaker 1: One is going back to our Osi episode with Aishabrita 1298 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,760 Speaker 1: who married the Berlin wall and they talked a lot 1299 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,320 Speaker 1: about objects that they loved and felt love in return, 1300 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,880 Speaker 1: and and we even said, then, who are we to 1301 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,280 Speaker 1: deny that that's happening? Because that's what they feel and 1302 01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:47,400 Speaker 1: and it's an abstract concept to begin with, so you know, 1303 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,120 Speaker 1: who's to say what's more real than than something else. 1304 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,679 Speaker 1: The other thing is that I don't know this sort 1305 01:19:54,680 --> 01:20:00,080 Speaker 1: of metric of happiness too. We might see him and 1306 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,320 Speaker 1: he's like at a twelve on the happiness scale, and 1307 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:09,680 Speaker 1: that's the happiest he's ever been, and that is completely 1308 01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,680 Speaker 1: elated to him. Now you and I know that the 1309 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,960 Speaker 1: scale goes to five hundred, you know, and sort of 1310 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,599 Speaker 1: like you said with the with the chocolate, does he 1311 01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,240 Speaker 1: know any different? Is he missing out because he's at 1312 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:27,200 Speaker 1: the top of his scale for happiness, it's the highest 1313 01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,920 Speaker 1: he's ever been, And as far as he knows, he's 1314 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,640 Speaker 1: as happy as he ever needs to be. And I 1315 01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:37,120 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe someone could like take him out of 1316 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,120 Speaker 1: the world, make him go on a blind date and 1317 01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,320 Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, I didn't realize what I 1318 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:48,960 Speaker 1: was missing. But he maintains over and over again that 1319 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:50,960 Speaker 1: he does know what he's missing and he doesn't miss it. 1320 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,360 Speaker 1: He said, if if a woman asked me out right 1321 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,240 Speaker 1: now and understood about me KO and was totally cool 1322 01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,120 Speaker 1: with everything about my life and was just wanting to 1323 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,960 Speaker 1: be my second girlfriend, as a real second girlfriend, I 1324 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,280 Speaker 1: would say. Now. He says, I'm not attracted to real 1325 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,760 Speaker 1: world women, and we can't tell him that he is. 1326 01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,040 Speaker 1: He makes the comparison, and I don't know that it's 1327 01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,240 Speaker 1: a super valid comparison. But he says, telling me I 1328 01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,120 Speaker 1: need to date a real world person is like telling 1329 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,840 Speaker 1: a gay man he needs to date a woman. He 1330 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:25,680 Speaker 1: has to try it. He's like, that's it is not 1331 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,759 Speaker 1: someone I'm interested in and I will not be interested 1332 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,680 Speaker 1: in that, and there's nothing wrong with me, and you 1333 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,120 Speaker 1: can't make me be something I'm not. And I mean, again, 1334 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,519 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what the sort of response 1335 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,000 Speaker 1: to that might be, But I know that I'm not 1336 01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,000 Speaker 1: about to go tell this guy, you know, your feelings 1337 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,639 Speaker 1: are invalid if he's not hurting anybody. No, yeah, again, 1338 01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,400 Speaker 1: it's not hurting anyone. Miku doesn't seem to care. He 1339 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,000 Speaker 1: has his own apartment now. His and Meeku's names are 1340 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,080 Speaker 1: above the doorbell. Big Meeku sits with him at the 1341 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,840 Speaker 1: dinner table next to him while he plays games, kind 1342 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,920 Speaker 1: of like that picture you're describing. He has friends who 1343 01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,880 Speaker 1: respect their relationship. They even come by with gifts on 1344 01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,920 Speaker 1: Miku's birthday. That's very nice. Um. Back at his school, 1345 01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,200 Speaker 1: some of his colleagues don't accept the situation. They still 1346 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,120 Speaker 1: really tease him about it, but he says that his 1347 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,560 Speaker 1: students are far more understanding, which says something about the 1348 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,960 Speaker 1: way things are going over there, right, that might be 1349 01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,720 Speaker 1: uh progression, you know that's happening amongst younger people, that 1350 01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,960 Speaker 1: there's coming to understand it better. An argument might be 1351 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,920 Speaker 1: made that that's just a more juvenile mindset about it, 1352 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,240 Speaker 1: like maybe the kids just yeah, of course they understand 1353 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,240 Speaker 1: that better because their kids. But Condo told Reuters Television, 1354 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,040 Speaker 1: I believe the shape of happiness and love is different 1355 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,960 Speaker 1: for each person. There definitely is a template for happiness 1356 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,920 Speaker 1: where a real man and woman get married, have a child, 1357 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,280 Speaker 1: and live all together. But I don't believe such a 1358 01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,160 Speaker 1: template can necessarily make everyone happy. I don't fall in 1359 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,320 Speaker 1: that template. We have to consider all kinds of love 1360 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:09,240 Speaker 1: and all kinds of happiness. There you go, Which is fair? 1361 01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,320 Speaker 1: That says it all right? There, That is a fair statement. 1362 01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,799 Speaker 1: Who are we to judge hooms amongst us? Can judge 1363 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:24,599 Speaker 1: people who live in glass cylinder hollycams shouldn't throw stones? Um? Well, 1364 01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know. We talked it 1365 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,160 Speaker 1: to death already, but I know, right, I'm like, I 1366 01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:34,080 Speaker 1: couldn't help myself. I can hold a lot. There's a 1367 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,960 Speaker 1: lot to say till the end. Yeah, I'm sure you'll 1368 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,920 Speaker 1: have a lot to say to It's definitely. I mean, 1369 01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,760 Speaker 1: here's the thing about this story. It's easy to tell 1370 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,160 Speaker 1: this story as a joke, and many many news outlets 1371 01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,200 Speaker 1: have done so. Many blogs have had their freshot take 1372 01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,360 Speaker 1: about how like ridiculous and dumb this is, you know, 1373 01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,479 Speaker 1: just like objects sexuality. Yeah, yeah, there is plenty to 1374 01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,320 Speaker 1: make fun of. There's plenty that we could all have 1375 01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,560 Speaker 1: a good laugh at. And I don't think that's necessarily 1376 01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,519 Speaker 1: wrong in a way, like if we're not mocking and 1377 01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,600 Speaker 1: belittling this person, because I think we can have a 1378 01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:13,160 Speaker 1: laugh about it without insulting it. Because at the end 1379 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,439 Speaker 1: of the day, there's just you just kind of have 1380 01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,360 Speaker 1: to respect it. I think, Um I do anyway to 1381 01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,200 Speaker 1: some degree. I just like, look, yeah, hey, if that's 1382 01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,280 Speaker 1: how you feel, I'm not about to walk into your 1383 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,200 Speaker 1: life and say you've got to change this now. Ultimately, 1384 01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about this story because we heard about it, 1385 01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,280 Speaker 1: and it's absurd that we heard about it because it 1386 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,840 Speaker 1: happened a million miles away, right, So we all read 1387 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,560 Speaker 1: these articles and what everyone's saying is I have a 1388 01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,720 Speaker 1: take on it. I feel like he should do this. 1389 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,920 Speaker 1: I feel like he shouldn't do that. Um when at 1390 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,439 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're just hearing about it, 1391 01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,639 Speaker 1: and none of that is our responsibility. The only people 1392 01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,400 Speaker 1: who should have any say in this at all are 1393 01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,120 Speaker 1: the people close to him who care about him and 1394 01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:02,040 Speaker 1: he himself. So all day long we can go like, well, 1395 01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,600 Speaker 1: he should be he should try dating a woman, he 1396 01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,599 Speaker 1: should try dating a real tri dimensional person, he should 1397 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,880 Speaker 1: get out there or whatever. Yeah, he should get out 1398 01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,519 Speaker 1: there and fix himself. You know, he should, he should 1399 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:16,280 Speaker 1: work on himself. And none of us know a damn 1400 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,880 Speaker 1: thing about him, about him or or what he feels, 1401 01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:21,559 Speaker 1: other than what he's told us, And if we don't 1402 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,640 Speaker 1: take that as the truth, then we're assholes. You know. 1403 01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,160 Speaker 1: If I could quote Governor Or Morris for a second, 1404 01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,840 Speaker 1: if the world were to live with my wife, I 1405 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,840 Speaker 1: might have asked their damn opinion. But since they don't, 1406 01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,240 Speaker 1: I decided I would please myself. That's a paraphrase, but 1407 01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,840 Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. I was just thinking to myself, 1408 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:44,920 Speaker 1: like I was so fine with it when Governor was like, 1409 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,920 Speaker 1: I do what I want. And now I'm like, this 1410 01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,519 Speaker 1: guy's like, I'm so sorry that you're hurting or whatever. 1411 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,360 Speaker 1: He might be fine. I don't know anyway, But yeah, 1412 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,320 Speaker 1: this is a crazy This is an interesting phenomenon going 1413 01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:00,800 Speaker 1: on right now in our world currently today. So yeah, 1414 01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,559 Speaker 1: I would love to hear your thoughts about it in 1415 01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:08,160 Speaker 1: great details. Yeah, it feels free to write us an essay. 1416 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,599 Speaker 1: Um and uh, and let us know what you think, 1417 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:16,240 Speaker 1: because I I I'm still technically undecided, but I think 1418 01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:21,519 Speaker 1: I do support these two crazy kids. Oh like, okay, wait, 1419 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,439 Speaker 1: the only thing I have a problem with is the 1420 01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:26,639 Speaker 1: fact that this girl is supposed to be sixteen years old. 1421 01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:31,920 Speaker 1: Now he dated her, say, he's literally the guy from 1422 01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,960 Speaker 1: his Matthew McConaughey saying, that's what I love about me. 1423 01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:44,080 Speaker 1: I keep getting older. She stays same age, Yeah, pretty much. 1424 01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:50,559 Speaker 1: And I mean she's not sixteen. The way they draw 1425 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,080 Speaker 1: her and everything is like, not a sixteen year old. 1426 01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:57,200 Speaker 1: But but she is they say she is. So there's 1427 01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,760 Speaker 1: a little weirdness there, for sure. But I think that 1428 01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:05,600 Speaker 1: is more to do with representations of women in animation 1429 01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,759 Speaker 1: and in and in fiction in general, animated fiction in general, 1430 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:16,599 Speaker 1: especially that is geared towards straight sis men, particularly um, 1431 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:22,000 Speaker 1: than it is to do with Akahiko's proclivities. That wouldn't 1432 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,479 Speaker 1: be worried about him, you know, being attracted to miners 1433 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,960 Speaker 1: just because he got with this ridiculous representation of a 1434 01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,559 Speaker 1: six year old girl holding there's many miners around it 1435 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,200 Speaker 1: look like me too, But it's but it's still weird 1436 01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,160 Speaker 1: to say, oh, you're married to a hologram. Okay, well 1437 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:45,519 Speaker 1: that's weird. How old is she sixteen? That's weirder. But 1438 01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,519 Speaker 1: she's been sixteen since two thousand eight. So maybe she's 1439 01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,640 Speaker 1: twenty eight now in his mind. I don't know. I 1440 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,720 Speaker 1: don't know. Look right in, tell us what you think, 1441 01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,040 Speaker 1: because I don't know what to think anymore. I've wrapped 1442 01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:01,320 Speaker 1: circles around ourselves logically here and I can't make sense 1443 01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,000 Speaker 1: on any of it. I'm in a big Mobius pretzel 1444 01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,360 Speaker 1: Jeremy Bremy. Yes, I'm in a little dot over them 1445 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,640 Speaker 1: or the eye Jeremy by. So please just send us 1446 01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,160 Speaker 1: your thoughts, try and clear this up for us to 1447 01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,120 Speaker 1: romance at I heeart media dot Com or Twitter and Instagram. 1448 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm at Dyanamite Boom and I'm at oh great, it's 1449 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:26,680 Speaker 1: Eli or the show is at ridic romance. Please just 1450 01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,519 Speaker 1: tell us something. 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