1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: What the hell happened on July thirteenth? 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: How did a twenty year old outsmart the Secret Service, 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: an agency that is supposed to protect commanders in chief, 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: the most powerful men, not just in the United States 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: but in the entire world. How did a twenty year 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: old outsmart them? What the hell happened? Also, we know 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: that it's been reported that he was seen and known 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: by law enforcement earlier in the day. He was seen 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: with a rangefinder, which is used for long distance shots. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: So how did he get those shots off at six ' 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: eleven pm? Was that not concerning enough to stop? And 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: what does a Secret Service have to say about it? 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: The Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheedle blamed a sloped roof 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: for the security failure, But we've seen images of snipers 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: on a sloped roof behind the former president's podium, So 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: why is she lying to us? 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 3: Now? 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: We're hearing about this Iranian threat to President Trump, even 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: though we've known about a threat since January twenty twenty, 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: when the former president took out Castam Solomoni. 21 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: So why are we hearing about it now? 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: We've got so many questions, very few answers, and we're 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: going to get those answers from a guy named Jonathan Gilliam. 24 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: Jonathan is a former Navy sealer. You know, I guess, 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: once a steal, always a seal, right, a former FBI agent, 26 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 2: host of the Experts podcast, and the best selling author 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: A Sheep no More. We're going to ask him to 28 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: merge those worlds that he has been living in and. 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: Try to give us some answers. 30 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: Also want to know from him, what kind of developments 31 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: is he looking at moving forward, what is he paying 32 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: attention to? All that and more with Jonathan Gilliam, Stay tuned, 33 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: all right, So, Jonathan, you know, I think we're all 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: still assessing. You know, what happened on July thirteenth, a 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: massively historical moment, you know, the former attempted assassinate or 36 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: the attempted assassination of a former president Donald Trump. You know, 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: with your Steel background and the FBI background, you know, 38 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: how the hell did this happen? 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you brought up my backgrounds because the 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 4: two different backgrounds they're similar as far as the tactics go. 41 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: But and the honor and integrity that you would think 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: would get you into that job. But the big difference 43 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: between those two is that as a seal we are 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: we're trained as attackers, so that's our job is to attack. 45 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 4: We also do protection details and we're very very good 46 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: at it because we look. 47 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: At things from the attackers point of view. 48 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 4: And so when I went into law enforcement, I actually 49 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: started as a cop and then in Arkansas and then 50 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: went into the seal teams, and then from there I 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 4: was a Federal Air Marshal, So I was flying undercover 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: on planes for a year and then went from there 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 4: to contracting where I led a course called the Soft 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: Target Awareness Training, which is where I went all over 55 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: the country and teaching high value targets schools, malls, tall building, 56 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 4: stadiums and arenas how to look at themselves from an 57 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: attackers point of view. So even when I was an 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 4: air marshal, I was still looking at things from the 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: attackers point of view. If somebody got up and tried 60 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 4: to take over one of those planes, my job was 61 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 4: to attack them. So then when I went into the 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: FBI and started investigating, I became a hunter. We hunted, 63 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 4: you know, criminals on the Asian Organized Crime Squad. And 64 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: then when I transitioned into the soft target or excuse me, 65 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: the Special Events Unit, where I was the coordinator for that. 66 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: What I became then was the defender and I had 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: to teach again, just like when I was a contractor, 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: to teach these private sectors how to look at themselves 69 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: from the attackers point of view and then defend against that. 70 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 4: But my job was to go out there and look 71 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: at everything, do the threat assessments, do the advances, and 72 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: then come back and write an operations order so that 73 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 4: the FBI could put their resources in those areas, similar 74 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: to what the Secret Service does, but we weren't protecting anyone. 75 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 4: We were putting our resources out there to try to 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: find people that were going to do wrong or ways 77 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 4: to act and have a plan to act if something occurred. 78 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: So when you put all that together, the Secret Service 79 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: should be trained in a very similar fashion. And when 80 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: I was in college working at a hotel, all the 81 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: Secret Service agents that work for Clinton were coming in there, 82 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: and I was fascinated by them because they were all 83 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 4: like six foot five, former military, very athletic, and very aggressive. 84 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: They got Clinton is an incredible runner, believe it or not. 85 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 4: Most people didn't know that about him, but Secret Service 86 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 4: had to run six seven miles a day at a 87 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 4: six minute mile pace. So they were tremendous athletic and huge. 88 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: And so we didn't even know what DEI was back then. 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: And so as I got in the military and then 90 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 4: the FBI, I started to seeing the FBI this thing 91 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: that was happening where the recruitment was absolutely crazy. You 92 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 4: would have an operator like myself sitting next to somebody 93 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 4: who was an attorney, that makes sense, or somebody who 94 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: was an accountant, that makes sense, But then there were 95 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 4: all these other people that they just they had checked 96 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 4: boxes and they got it seemed like special privileges to 97 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 4: get in there. 98 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: And I saw that. 99 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 4: More and more to the point where I ended up 100 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 4: getting out of the FBI and starting my own company. 101 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: And now we see that full circle. So and the 102 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: reason I'm telling you all this is because this is 103 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 4: what occurred last Saturday, is that it was a culmination. 104 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: I believe we see it in the FBI, but it's 105 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: hard to pinpoint that because the FBI does investigations behind 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 4: the scenes. What the Secret Service does is in plain 107 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 4: sight of everyone, and typically nothing happens, right, So they 108 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 4: put a presence out there. They have a tremendous amount 109 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 4: of assets in that location that are very visible, some 110 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 4: that are not. And what happened on Saturday was that 111 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 4: the tactics, the procedures, the threat assessments, the advances that 112 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 4: they did, the interaction with law enforcement, and then the 113 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 4: time on target when the actual attack happened on the 114 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 4: president and that actual venue, the time on target to 115 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: get the principle, which was Trump from where he went 116 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 4: down into that vehicle. If he had had a sucking 117 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 4: chest wound or an artery in his leg or arm 118 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 4: that had been hit, he could have bled out by 119 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 4: the time they got him to that vehicle and not 120 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: put a tourniquet on that. 121 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: So that's how long they took. 122 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: And I've heard all these Secret Service agents on television, 123 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 4: former Secret Service agents talking about how they did a 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: great job there. But when you look at the totality 125 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: of the failures of that day, they started with the hiring, 126 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 4: the recruiting, and then putting those people in on the 127 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 4: job and then promoting them through the ranks. And so 128 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: you saw this meeting of the unright minds on that 129 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 4: day that allowed this to occur, and then when it 130 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 4: did occur, a complete breakdown in movement of the team 131 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: of the individual's total loss of what they were supposed 132 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 4: to do, as you could tell people that were not 133 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: fit either physically fit or height wise to protect this 134 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 4: particular individual, Donald Trump. And so I think if you 135 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 4: take all that that I just told you and you 136 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 4: relate that to Uvaldi, you'll see the same exact thing 137 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: happened in Uvaldi. It wasn't necessarily dei hires, but the 138 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: lower end standards because of the one common denominator in 139 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 4: all this, the left, leftists in government and in governments 140 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: around the country have deluded, degraded law enforcement to a 141 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: point where if they do have big, strong, aggressive, controlled 142 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 4: aggression warriors that are out there, they're punished and the 143 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 4: weaker people who don't rock the boat are left in 144 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: and people who are dei hires rise to the top. 145 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 4: And so that's what you've seen in both of these instances. Yeah, 146 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 4: they're very similar. 147 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, but I guess what it's hard for 148 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: Americans to wrap their mind around is, you know, I 149 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: get the comparison to Uvaldi, but you're you're also talking 150 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: about you know, local police. Obviously, here we're dealing with, 151 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: you know, the Secret Service protecting former commander, a former commander, 152 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: you know, in chief, one of the most powerful men 153 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: of Republican nominee to be President of the United States. 154 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: So you know, you would think on a different level 155 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: we wouldn't be seeing similar breakdowns. And then you know, 156 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: I know you had mentioned sort of the the afterpart, 157 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: the slowness to get him into the car and to 158 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: get him out of the area and get him in a 159 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: more controlled environment. But even previously before that, I mean, 160 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: he was photographer. The shooter was photographed by the Secret 161 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: Service at least an hour before the attack. Reportedly, a 162 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: suspicious person was spotted at five forty one PM with 163 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: a rangefinder, which of course you know is used for 164 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: long distance shots, right. 165 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: And then the shots happened at six eleven PM. 166 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: So that's a lot of time between all of that 167 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: where this guy could have been stopped wasn't stopped. 168 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, how do they how do 169 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: they get that that wrong? 170 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: Well, I know it sounds different that state local or 171 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: local state and federal law enforcement would be so different, 172 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 4: but they're actually very similar and they all suffer from 173 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: the same but they're there. This this controlled, aggressive, in shape, 174 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,599 Speaker 4: large individual is what should be doing that job is 175 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 4: the same with a firefighter. If you know, if your 176 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: house is on fire or your apartment and you live 177 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 4: thirty floors up, do you expect somebody a man or woman. 178 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 4: I'm gonna even leave the female part out of this, 179 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 4: but somebody who was hired based on fairness. Do you 180 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 4: want somebody who's hired on fairness coming to try to rescue? 181 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: Do you want somebody who is the best of the 182 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: best coming there? And so that best of the best 183 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: in all aspects of this has been pushed out. The 184 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 4: reason I keep bringing subleaks is that the failures that 185 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: we saw, including the range finder, not taking that seriously, 186 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 4: not having good communications with law enforcement when the advance 187 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 4: was done, to put people on those roots or even 188 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 4: their own counter snipers on those roofs, to include people 189 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 4: who are of the right caliber to protect this large man, 190 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 4: and to not employ new and upgraded tactics like a 191 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: podium that is bulletproof. They don't use these bulletproof podiums 192 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: for some reason when they go out and speak in public. 193 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: So every failure that you see there is a culmination 194 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: of a long time coming, of this degradation of law 195 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: enforcement that has crept into local it's crept into the FBI, 196 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 4: it's crept into the Secret Service, to a point where 197 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 4: even the individuals that were with Trump inside the RNC 198 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: conference this week, they're bigger and they have more of 199 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 4: a presence. But if they're moving at the pace, and 200 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 4: so many of them have praised what they did after 201 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 4: the action took place, the shooting took place last Saturday, 202 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 4: if they move at that pace and any of their 203 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: protectees sustain a shot that is significant, they're going to 204 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 4: And so I think when we look at the thread assessment, 205 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: taking all these things into account, the threat assessment that 206 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: they did when they do their advance, they for some 207 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 4: reason did not look at the totality of the circumstances 208 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 4: and asked the question if a shooter could access that roof. 209 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 4: And if they did ask that question, they decided to 210 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 4: put law enforcement over there, or they said that's a 211 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: private company. 212 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: Well that doesn't stop. 213 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 4: As you can see that old saying, if you want 214 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 4: to hide from the police, sell pencils in the. 215 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: Police parking lot. 216 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: Apparently it's true because this guy was able to go 217 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: in show them at a range finder. They for some 218 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 4: reason didn't think that was odd enough to kick him 219 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 4: out and then he went in, came back out and 220 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 4: then walked over there and gone on the roof, and 221 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 4: whether he had a ladder or climbed up the air 222 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: conditioner unit, which they're saying, the fact is it was 223 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 4: a complete breakdown from the the top of the Secret 224 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 4: Service down to the person who did the advance, the 225 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 4: way the teams function together, and the local law enforcement 226 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 4: who became completely complacent that even they because this is 227 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 4: what happens when you put when you put one law 228 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 4: enforcement agency that has been affected by this and their 229 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: standards are low, and you put them in charge, the 230 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 4: other law enforcement agents around there will only reach to 231 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: their standard. It's not like they're going to go over 232 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 4: their standard typically and do their own threat assessment put 233 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 4: their own people on the roof. 234 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 3: If it's not important to. 235 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 4: The primary investigative or protective agency, it's not going to 236 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 4: be important to the other law enforcement agencies. 237 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: I don't agree with that, but that's the way it 238 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 3: seems to work out. 239 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: We've got a quick commercial break more with Jonathan on 240 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: the other side. I guess we're saying, now he cut 241 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: the law I have of LA Enforcement around three pm 242 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: that they obviously will continue to learn more about this. 243 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: It's obviously developing story. You know, I guess the reason 244 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: why people are so suspicious of the information we're being also, 245 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: you know, the lack of social media presence of this guy. 246 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: And then even beyond that, you know, we've got a 247 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: government who, you know, the FBI weaponized an internet rumor 248 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: against Donald Trump previously with the Russia collusion hoax. We've 249 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: got a government where former CIA directors lied to us 250 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: and told this hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation when 251 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: it was in fact the truth. 252 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: And we have. 253 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: Democrats in Congress who recently sought to remove Donald Trump's 254 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: security detail, and you know, and a president who just 255 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: said Joe Biden should be caught in a bulls eye, 256 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: So Joe Biden saying President Trump should be caught in 257 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: a bulls eye. So you know, I mean there's a 258 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: healthy distrust there, and you know, and it's warranted, right, 259 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: and it's to their governments to blame for it. 260 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look what they did. 261 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 4: They the FBI took part in creating or handling made 262 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: up evidence in the Russian collusion issue and then took 263 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: that with not even vetting it or at least they 264 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: said they didn't vet it. That was their excuse. I 265 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 4: think they knew exactly where it came from. They took 266 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 4: it to a PHISA judge, which the FBI is an 267 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 4: entire unit that goes through and scrubs the stuff to 268 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: make sure it's verified before they go to a PHISA judge. 269 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: Because it's in secret, it has to be scrubbed right, 270 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: because the overwatch is not there that there would be 271 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: in a regular criminal court. So that unit failed somehow. 272 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 4: The PISA judge failed somehow. But when you look at 273 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 4: who was handling those things, it was very specific individuals that, 274 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 4: as we see now over a period of time, are 275 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: really a part of the collusion or the conspiracy to 276 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: basically overthrow the constitution in this country. And so when 277 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 4: you take that and you apply that to the Secret Service, 278 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: as an investigator, I can't rule out that a conspiracy 279 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: did not take place that day, that that kid was 280 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 4: somehow connected and they grubbed everything for him. I can't 281 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 4: unless I see proof that that absolutely did not happen, 282 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 4: then I have to at least keep that on the burner, 283 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 4: and well. 284 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: Then that's what that's what an investigator does. 285 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: Go ahead you know, and it was reported too that 286 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: he tried out for the varsity rifle team, didn't make 287 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: it because he's a bad shooter. 288 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: It's just there's just. 289 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: A lot of weird And then now we're hearing, you know, 290 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: this Iranian threat assessment of an attempted assassination against you know, 291 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: the former president, when we've kind of known that this 292 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: was a possibility since Donald Trump took out Castam Solomoney 293 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: in January twenty twenty. I mean, this has been kind 294 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: of in the public circulating that Iran is wanted to 295 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: seek vengeance and revenge for that taking place. It's like, 296 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: why why are we hearing about that now? It just 297 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: seems like strange timing considering that this has already been 298 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: part of the broader public conversation. 299 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 4: It's very similar to nine to eleven. You know, there 300 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: were threats before nine to eleven. Nothing changed. They just 301 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 4: sat on the information because because the government and law 302 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 4: enforcement in general has this strange love for the term 303 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 4: no known threat, right, So they get a general threat 304 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: and they know that somebody may be planning something, but 305 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 4: there's no specific threat to this particular event, and so 306 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 4: they say in the briefs there's no known threat, and 307 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 4: I try to get that eliminated from all the briefs 308 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 4: that I gave. I would always say we don't know 309 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 4: of a threat, but it doesn't mean there's not one, 310 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 4: so that you should be showing up today considering that 311 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: something will happen, and that is clearly not the case 312 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 4: for what happened this past weekend. But with conspiracies, the 313 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 4: problem with that is is you have a little bit 314 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 4: of information, credible information. The FBI was crooked, the EI 315 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: has crushed everything. The evidence that we see with the 316 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 4: Secret Service was so bad in their tactics and structure 317 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 4: and the threat assessments. So we have that evidence. But 318 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 4: what people do is they take that and based on 319 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 4: their uneducated opinion, they will create or even their educated opinion. 320 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: They may say this is through history, this is what's 321 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 4: occurred when that occurs, but they create. So that's twenty 322 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 4: percent of the pie. They create the other eighty percent 323 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 4: without knowing facts or any type of sources that can 324 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 4: be verified. So that's the worry about conspiracies is that 325 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 4: the American people will get tied up online arguing about 326 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 4: this instead of saying we demand THEI not be a 327 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: part of anything anymore and stand up to the government, 328 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 4: and so we get pulled off to the side. So conspiracies, 329 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: to me, the way they come about at these particular 330 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 4: times after these events, they really do resemble clickbait or 331 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 4: reverse propaganda where the left would create certain things to 332 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 4: get the right spun up. 333 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: They do that. 334 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 4: They handle us very well when it comes to propaganda 335 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 4: and spinning the conservatives up in this country. But I 336 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 4: think what we need to look at is getting the 337 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: overall picture of what occurred in how that threat assessment. 338 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 4: It all goes back to that threat assessment, so we 339 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 4: can completely eliminate for the conversation what happened after the 340 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: shot was taken. If we look at what happened before 341 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 4: the shot was taken, that there is a complete breakdown 342 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: in that threat assessment, and that involves local law enforcement. 343 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: So that's why the conspiracy part kind of as far 344 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: as with the Secret Service, that part kind of dies 345 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 4: for me because. 346 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: Local law enforcement was involved. 347 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 4: They showed the same complacency, and we're talking about, you know, 348 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: fifty different individuals from multiple different law enforcement agencies all 349 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 4: showing the same complacency where they got locked inside a 350 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 4: fence and couldn't even get they even have that plan 351 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: that they may need an exit to a fence or 352 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 4: putting that fence around those buildings so that complacency kills 353 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 4: and I think that's what it did on Saturday. But 354 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 4: there are a couple things I would say three big 355 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 4: things that from me are standouts other than what the 356 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: failures of the Secret Service and law enforcement were. One 357 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 4: is the Iranian threat. Two is this report that I 358 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 4: just saw from one of the students that went to 359 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 4: school with him. And again you have to take those 360 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 4: witness reports with a grain of assault. But he said 361 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: that the guy was he wasn't as quiet as what 362 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 4: they make came out to be. He was he was 363 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 4: pretty quiet and even kill but when it came to 364 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 4: math or politics, he was very outspoken and somewhat snobby, right, 365 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 4: So that says a lot more. And then he said 366 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 4: he was a part of a group of a small group, 367 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 4: a secretive group of kids that talked a lot about 368 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 4: I think it was it was assassinations, but a lot 369 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: about overthrowing the politicians of the government. 370 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: The third thing is. 371 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: The fact that the father called law enforcement that day 372 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: and said his gun was missing. Now, I grew up 373 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 4: in a house with guns and rifles, and everybody I 374 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 4: grew up with had rifles in their home, and all 375 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: the kids were taught how to shoot at a young age. 376 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 4: It sounds like the shooter's father and him had a 377 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 4: relationship that did exist around a range where they went 378 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 4: and shot, and around this particular gun. So why was 379 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 4: his father so alarmed when that gun was missing that 380 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 4: he called law enforcement? Because the first thing I would 381 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 4: think is, well, he must have gone shooting without me. 382 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 4: I'm have to give him a call, right, But he 383 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 4: didn't do that. He didn't call his son. He called 384 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 4: law enforcement and said this gun was missing. So I 385 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 4: think there's more to this young man than we've been told. 386 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: I think there's probably some mental issues there, even potentially 387 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 4: from birth. And I think that there may be a 388 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: group of people, if that one witness is correct, If 389 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 4: there is a conspiracy, it might be between those those individuals, 390 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: and if those individuals had contact with Iran or anybody 391 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 4: inside the government, that would take it to another level. 392 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 4: But I think there's there's a couple of things right 393 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 4: there in particular that stand out beyond the Secret Service involvement. 394 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I'd be less willing to engage in conspiracy 395 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: theories if they have not been so true. 396 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: For short years, you know, like they've lied. 397 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: About pretty much everything, and you know, the you know, 398 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: conservative conspiracy theorists have been right about you know, a lot, 399 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: and you know throughout these these years, and again we're 400 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: so there's not been a lot of time passed since 401 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: July thirteenth, so you know, there really isn't much to 402 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 2: speculate yet about as we learn more. You know, we 403 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: don't know motive yet in you know, parentheses. Obviously I 404 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: can't do that because we're not visual right now, we're audio. 405 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: How much does a motive matter? 406 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy has been told throughout a lot 407 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: of his life, he's only twenty years old, that you know, 408 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: Trump is hitler and that he is a little threat 409 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 2: to democracy, that he should be put in a bull's eye. 410 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: I mean, how much does a motive matter in these 411 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: types of things? 412 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: Well, when we look at how it occurred, that. 413 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: Finding out that, you know, finding the motive. 414 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: I think it's important to separate the how from the why, 415 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 4: and the how it occurred is because of incompetence and 416 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: and just overall breakdown of how law enforcement does a 417 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 4: job what you talked about. But the why is important 418 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 4: because we want to understand how this individual was pushed 419 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 4: to this level. But you also want to understand and 420 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,239 Speaker 4: find out if he was associated with other people, and 421 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 4: that's going to come from the why. 422 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: So was this individual. 423 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 4: Groomed brainwashed from the rhetoric that we hear consistently. I 424 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 4: think it's safe to say if you've seen prisoners of war, 425 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: for instance, who are told the same thing over and 426 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 4: over and over again, after a while, they begin to 427 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 4: believe that that's truth. You go to communist countries where 428 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 4: it is a closed society and they're not able to 429 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: be influenced by outside societies. They can tell them anything. 430 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 4: They can tell them that their leader is a god, 431 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: they can tell they can take even in this day 432 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 4: and age, they could take the teaching of solar eclipses 433 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 4: out of the classroom, and then they could convince a 434 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 4: certain portion of the country that they're going to predict 435 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: that the president can predict an eclipse, and then when 436 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 4: it happens, they can because they will know about it. 437 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 4: They say it's tomorrow, I'm going to turn the sun black. Right, So, 438 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 4: if you say these things and over and over again. 439 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 4: You know this, You're in communication, so you know how 440 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 4: this works. You say something over and over again, people 441 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: are going to start to believe it, and then you 442 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 4: keep the division up, they're going to pick sides. And 443 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 4: so when you have an individual like this that says 444 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 4: what he said, it follows exactly along the lines of 445 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 4: what the left preaches every day, day and out on 446 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: day in and day out online in media right, they 447 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 4: say these things the exact verbiage he used. Could he 448 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 4: have come up with that verbiage on his own through 449 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 4: critical thinking, I guess he could, But most likely he 450 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 4: gained that verbiage, exact verbiage from hearing it over and 451 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: over and over again and developing this fixation of Hitler 452 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: and Trump and politicians in general. It sounded like he 453 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 4: didn't like politicians at all, but this anti government type 454 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 4: of mentality. And nobody is bringing this up, but I 455 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 4: you know, he could have been influenced by the left, 456 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 4: but he also could have been influenced by libertarians and 457 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: never trumpers. They say the same thing all the time, 458 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: they just package it in a different sound bite and 459 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 4: they put it out there. And basically, I think what 460 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 4: we're seeing whether it's with school shootings that are carried 461 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: out by transgender confused or gender confused young men who've 462 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 4: been groomed all through school and told one thing that's 463 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 4: not the truth, but over and over and over again. 464 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 4: Or it's an individual who tries to take a shot 465 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 4: in the president. We have to look at what's being 466 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 4: said and look at their verbiage and see where that 467 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 4: comes from. I think motive is very important because people 468 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 4: are culpable of motivating people to do these things when 469 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 4: they go out there and lie it constantly and degrade 470 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 4: those who are trying to protect and uphold the Constitution. 471 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: And it seems like that's what the left always does. 472 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: And then libertarians just they don't like the person, then 473 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 4: they turn them into a villain. 474 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: They say the same thing. 475 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 4: So I think the motive is very important because it 476 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 4: helps us understand the why, and included in that why, 477 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 4: will be co conspirators if there are any. 478 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: Jonathan, when you were an evy seal, I guess you're 479 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: always an evy seal. But yeah, true, did a sloped 480 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 2: roof ever get in your way? 481 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: Oh goodness? Not only that. 482 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 4: I just responded to Elon Musks where you talk about 483 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 4: how that truck that he has has a sloped roof? 484 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: What if it was inverted slope? Right? 485 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 4: Could you ever get out of that? Is that like 486 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 4: a black hole? I mean, are you stuck once you 487 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 4: fall into an inverted slope? 488 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: Quick break? More in trying to figure out what the 489 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: hell happened? What do you make of? 490 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: I mean? 491 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: The Secret Service director can really cheat old? This is 492 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: this is her excuse? 493 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, she says the buck stops of her, 494 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: but refuses to resign and has not been fired, which 495 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: she should be. But blame the sloped roof for the 496 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: security failure? 497 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 4: Well, does she blame the sloped roof on the accurate 498 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 4: shot that the Secret Service counter sniper took. He was 499 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 4: on the exact slanted roof as the other one. The 500 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 4: other one was probably less slanted than the one that 501 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 4: they were on behind President Trump. So I think I 502 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 4: cannot believe the sound bites, Lisa, that come out of 503 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 4: these people at times where they and it's always on 504 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 4: the left. I mean, sometimes you get people on the 505 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 4: right to say ridiculous things, But to say that, to 506 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 4: say that it was because of slanted roof when there's 507 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 4: a video out there of counter snipers on a sloped 508 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 4: I should say sloped on a sloped roof is mind 509 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 4: bogglingly stupid and incompetent. And when you add to that 510 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 4: the vitriol that many in office, including Biden and staffers 511 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 4: and people from Hollywood, all these people who run in 512 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: the same circles, the vitriol that they say, it's mind 513 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: boggling to know that many of these people are either 514 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: influencers of anyone or leaders in our country. And I 515 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: use that word very lightly, but in position of leadership 516 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 4: in this nation, and just. 517 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: Know accountability whatsoever. And when we still know accountability after Afghanistan, 518 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: She's not big fired, My orcus is still there. I mean, 519 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: the left is the only place where you can fail upwards, 520 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: you know, like Republicans believe in the accountability and and firing. 521 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: And you know Trump did, he fired everyone, you know. 522 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but Trump? 523 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: And who I am a huge Trump supporter and I've 524 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 4: always been his supporter. I was probably the first person 525 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 4: in the media when I was hosting Sean Hannity's radio 526 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 4: show for him, that came out in support of Trump 527 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 4: because he was operationally proven and he had failed. And 528 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 4: then came back and did a better job, and I 529 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 4: hope the failures that he had in his first presidency 530 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 4: when he wins this election, that he will correct those. 531 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 4: And one of those failures was listening to the Washington 532 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: d C satellites that orbit constantly, the bill bars, the 533 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 4: Chris Christie's who got Chris Fay in? You know, these 534 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: individuals that come there that have been a part of 535 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 4: government for the longest time and made it into the 536 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 4: highest ranks. Those are not the people you need advising 537 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 4: and helping the president lead this country. You need warfighters, 538 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 4: You need people who are not just been in the trenches, 539 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 4: but people who are in the trenches, and bring them 540 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 4: out and let them take over these agencies, show and 541 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 4: rededicate themselves in loyalty to their country. So what's interesting 542 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 4: about the reason I even got into that is that 543 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 4: you were absolutely right. There's no accountability and no repercussions 544 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 4: for anything the left does because the left owns the government. 545 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 4: They may not have the majority in Congress, but they 546 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 4: own it because they are unified, and the Conservatives or 547 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 4: the Republicans are not unified. So you can take a 548 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 4: smaller unified group and walk all over the non unified group. 549 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 4: Even if you don't have the majority, and that's what occurs. 550 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: So when we look at all these different issues, whether 551 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 4: it be the influence on the shooter, the lack of tactics, 552 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: and the breakdown of what occurred that allowed that shooting 553 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 4: to happen, the way things are degrading in this country, 554 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 4: every single and you can go through and look at 555 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 4: all this, Every single major issue that we have with 556 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 4: this nation at this time is because of the Democrat 557 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: Party and the leftists. 558 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 3: Every single one is because of them. 559 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: I agree, before we go, what are you looking? What 560 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: developments are you looking for? As the story moves toward 561 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: you know, what are you paying attention to? What should 562 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: people pay attention to? 563 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 4: Well that first of all, you want to look and 564 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 4: hold the FBI cantle and if they're making press releases 565 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 4: like they did two days ago that say we haven't 566 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 4: found evidence for this, we don't think this, we don't 567 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 4: believe that this. 568 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: Is the case. 569 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 4: We don't need to know that. What they're doing right 570 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 4: there is what they always do. They are programming you 571 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 4: to expect nothing, And I don't want to know what 572 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 4: you haven't found. I want to know what you're looking for. 573 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 4: And then when you find it. You can come and 574 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 4: tell me. But I don't need to be groomed into 575 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 4: believing that, oh, it's just some simple guy that somehow 576 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 4: got on the roof, and you know, shame on the 577 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 4: Secret Service. I want to know what happened. I want 578 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 4: to know his motivation, who he was, why he did 579 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 4: the things, who he hung out with. And it's interesting 580 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 4: because if this was a white police officer that just 581 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 4: shot an armed or let's say the guy didn't have 582 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 4: a gun, but he was trying to run over cops 583 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 4: with a car and they shot and killed him, and 584 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 4: he was black, we would know everything about those cops. 585 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: We would know everything. 586 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 4: About that guy, the guy shot that was good, that 587 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 4: he was a young boy one time, and he has 588 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 4: a mom. You know, we would we would find out everything. 589 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 4: And I think what we're seeing here is that when 590 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 4: it comes to when the liberals are in charge, even 591 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 4: the stuff that we see from the FBI is not 592 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 4: reported or investigated correctly. And I think the American people 593 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: should keep a close watch. 594 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: That's what I'm doing. 595 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 4: I'm keeping a close watch on the verbiage that the 596 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 4: FBI uses, that the Secret Service uses, that the President uses. 597 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 4: I'm keeping close watch on that and then within there 598 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 4: potentially find details like these these two things about this 599 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 4: young young man that carried out the attack and the Iranians. 600 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 4: Those are details that we can now put on a 601 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 4: board and as things come out, we can connect and 602 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 4: see if those things connect. Instead of saying, well, I 603 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 4: think it has to do with the fact that the 604 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 4: government wants to kill Trump. Okay, there probably are plenty 605 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 4: of those people in the government, but were they they 606 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 4: We can put that over here as well, But don't make. 607 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 3: That eighty percent of what you believe happen. 608 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 4: Make it one of the top headlines on your board, 609 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 4: and then start collecting the evidence and that will lead 610 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 4: you to what happened. 611 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 3: That's how I look at all these things. 612 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 2: No, I agree, and that you know. That's what we 613 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 2: try to do on the show, is to get to 614 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: the truth of things. Johnathan really appreciate well, first of 615 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: all your service to the country, and then secondly, this 616 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: is super interesting. I learned so much from you, so 617 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: we'd love to have you back on. I want to 618 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: keep following the story because it just seems like, you know, 619 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: there's more to it. 620 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,959 Speaker 4: But anytime you know, you and I were on Bill 621 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 4: O'Reilly show, not together, but at the same same night 622 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 4: with Scaramucci. This was years ago, the only time I've 623 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 4: ever seen you at Fox, and I remember that night 624 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 4: so well because the dress or the green room was packed. 625 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 4: It was like, you know something, any Fox News fan 626 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 4: would go crazy. Kimberly Gilford was in there, You were 627 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 4: in there, Guttfeld was in there. And then Bill O'Reilly 628 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 4: walked in and close the curtain to get his hair done, 629 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 4: and I looked up and I was the only one 630 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 4: left there. 631 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: He's such a he's such a care I but I 632 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: love on show a show. I did it every week 633 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: across from Wad Williams, and he was so funny. 634 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: I liked him a lot. But Jonathan, thank you so much. 635 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time. 636 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: This was awesome. Thank you. 637 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 2: That was Jonathan Gilliam. I really appreciate him taking the 638 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: time to join the show. I thought he was very 639 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: interesting and I hope you did too. I also want 640 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: to thank you guys at home for listening every Monday 641 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 2: and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I 642 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: want to think John Cassio and my producer were putting 643 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: the show together until next time.