Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe,
Speaker 1: and we are here with Caitlin. Caitlin the radio chemist
Speaker 1: from Joey season. Because that's such an interesting, cool job,
Speaker 1: and I think you may be the first radio chemist
Speaker 1: ever on the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is a pretty rare profession, so I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what can you explain? For for dummies? How do you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how how would you explain what you do? So?
Speaker 2: I can't go into too much detail, but breadio chemistry
Speaker 2: as profession is when you separate out octimize or radio
Speaker 2: newclides from a given substance and determined how much is
Speaker 2: in there. I told you that.
Speaker 1: I told you that. Go ahead, you guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I knew that, sure, Joe, Okay.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know if I can say much more,
Speaker 2: but that's pretty much like the gift of it, Yes,
Speaker 2: just just just the gist of it.
Speaker 4: So how did you end up in this career then?
Speaker 3: Because I've imagined you didn't grow up being like I
Speaker 3: just want to be a radio chemist.
Speaker 2: No, So I've always been really good at like stam math, chemistry,
Speaker 2: all those things, and so going into college like obviously
Speaker 2: you want to do something you're good at. It's just
Speaker 2: like I do a human nature. So I decided to
Speaker 2: study chemistry and then really my focus in undergrad was
Speaker 2: inorganic chemistry, like I did a lot of work with
Speaker 2: like Lanthani complex structures and just like material sciences. And
Speaker 2: so I graduated in May of twenty twenty, which was
Speaker 2: you know, like when COVID hit all of the research
Speaker 2: facilities that I applied to, they had withdrawn applications because
Speaker 2: they just didn't have the funds. And so I just
Speaker 2: took like a quick little break. And basically my old
Speaker 2: lab mate in one of my classes had been like, hey,
Speaker 2: what if you joined my lab? And I was like, huh,
Speaker 2: I like looked it up. I'm like, oh man, this
Speaker 2: is prestigious. I should really look into this. And so honestly,
Speaker 2: it kind of just like fell into my lap in
Speaker 2: a way. And now I find like a lot of
Speaker 2: fun in radio chemistry, like I find a lot of interest.
Speaker 2: But it was never my intent to go into radio chemistry.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, where are you from?
Speaker 2: So I grew up in Texas, but I went to
Speaker 2: college in Austin, Okay.
Speaker 1: What's school?
Speaker 2: The University of Texas.
Speaker 4: And then do you think, because you're saying, is that.
Speaker 1: The only that might be the only college there?
Speaker 2: Like, no, there's there's a bunch that was.
Speaker 3: Sorry Joe into the College of Grocery Stores and the
Speaker 3: water tracks. So different career history. But so you said
Speaker 3: you kind of fell into radio chemis astray. That wasn't
Speaker 3: always the intention or the goal. Do you think you'll
Speaker 3: stay in that career path or do you have other
Speaker 3: avenues that you want to explore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I'm currently applying to master's programs for medical
Speaker 2: physics and medical dysymmetry. I've been doing interviews so hopefully
Speaker 2: they go well. So I'm looking into staying in radiation.
Speaker 2: But just like in a different avenue, I would.
Speaker 1: Say, and where are you currently? Where do you live now?
Speaker 1: Are you still in Texas?
Speaker 2: No, so, I live in Santa Fe, New Mexico. I
Speaker 2: moved here for my job.
Speaker 1: Actually, okay, oh cool, cool, I've been. I've been. I've
Speaker 1: been the Santa Fe once.
Speaker 2: Yeah really yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a cool little city.
Speaker 2: Right, It's amazing. It has so much culture and one
Speaker 2: thing I love about Santa Fe is you can make
Speaker 2: friends anywhere. Like I moved there and only knowing one person,
Speaker 2: I mean friends in like a coffee shop at a bar,
Speaker 2: and I still talk to them to this day. So
Speaker 2: it's just like one of those like neat little cities
Speaker 2: where everyone's just so sociable.
Speaker 4: I love it crazy.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's so rare, Like I feel like
Speaker 3: that's the opposite of what most people say when they
Speaker 3: move to a new city, is like, oh it's so
Speaker 3: hard to like meet new people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never really felt that. I just like, I mean,
Speaker 2: during COVID it was hard, so I waited until like
Speaker 2: restrictions lifted, but I ended up meeting like a great
Speaker 2: friends there.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's a it's more that you are
Speaker 3: like an extroverted social person, or do you think there's
Speaker 3: just like a strong sense of community there.
Speaker 2: I think there's a strong sense of community there. I'm
Speaker 2: definitely not extraverted. I would say maybe more so in
Speaker 2: the past now, But I've never been really like the
Speaker 2: one to be like. I never liked a lot of
Speaker 2: attention on myself or anything like that. So I feel
Speaker 2: like it's just when you're in such a small community
Speaker 2: scan I face only like eighty thousand people, and most
Speaker 2: of them are like retired folk. So when you see
Speaker 2: someone under like thirty five, you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I know everyone within at least
Speaker 2: like one degree separation that's under thirty five in Santa Fe.
Speaker 4: I was in Hilton Head.
Speaker 3: I was living there for like three four months with
Speaker 3: a friend of mine after university, and we were there
Speaker 3: from September to December, which is not the summer months.
Speaker 3: So like everyone that's young when was our age that
Speaker 3: was back away going to school, and I remember we
Speaker 3: were like, we're the youngest people on this island, Like
Speaker 3: we need to find like hunt down some people that
Speaker 3: are our age.
Speaker 1: Make sure you ask Alan about New Mexico. Just shut
Speaker 1: your notes, Okay, So to find out whatever that. What
Speaker 1: was dating life like for you before before going on
Speaker 1: the Bachelor?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So not good. Dating in Santa Fe was pretty
Speaker 2: hard for me. I would say I just felt like
Speaker 2: there weren't like again, the population of people is just
Speaker 2: so small, and then the single people are even smaller,
Speaker 2: and like, I don't know, it was just so difficult
Speaker 2: to find anyone that I could date. And then out
Speaker 2: of those people, it wasn't like anything ever truly clicked,
Speaker 2: Like I never felt butterflies or anything, or like I
Speaker 2: never could get past like the fourth date, Like it
Speaker 2: just couldn't happen for.
Speaker 1: Me, you trust?
Speaker 3: Do you think though, Like I feel like if there's
Speaker 3: only so many people under thirty five, like after a while,
Speaker 3: you must have been like I've dated everyone in this freaking city.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And also you also have to like
Speaker 2: get rid of, like subtract all the people that your
Speaker 2: friends have gone out with too, so it's like it
Speaker 2: gets even smaller and smaller. And yeah, there's come a
Speaker 2: point where I just like quit dating, like maybe like
Speaker 2: a couple months before the show, I was like, or
Speaker 2: a couple of months before I applied to be on
Speaker 2: the show. Rather, I was like, m m, this.
Speaker 4: Is it for me?
Speaker 2: I guess No.
Speaker 3: I have friends that are like single and on that
Speaker 3: dating grind and they're like it starts off fun, and
Speaker 3: after a while you just get dating fatigue and you're like,
Speaker 3: I'm deleting all the apps for a few months and
Speaker 3: taking a break, like I cannot go on another first date.
Speaker 2: It gets exhausting.
Speaker 1: Were you buying into your family curse of like everyone's
Speaker 1: single and maybe it's just not for me?
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like our curse is more of a
Speaker 2: nice thing to blame our problems on. It's not like
Speaker 2: we necessarily like believe it. But and also I feel
Speaker 2: like my my mom and my aunts they're just so
Speaker 2: independent that they just like or they've felt love and
Speaker 2: they just like haven't felt that again, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So it's more like not giving into something
Speaker 2: that you know you're not worth like not worthy of
Speaker 2: that's not the right word, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like you don't want to go into something when
Speaker 2: you know it's not the one for you.
Speaker 1: You don't want to send.
Speaker 2: You don't want to settle. I don't want to settle.
Speaker 2: And it took me like a while to realize that.
Speaker 2: Like you know, in earlier years, I definitely fell into
Speaker 2: relationships way too quickly.
Speaker 1: So and obviously there was a part of you that
Speaker 1: that was kidding when you were talking about it on
Speaker 1: the show. But when you when your mom and your
Speaker 1: aunts watched it back, what did they What did they say?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well, I mean they were just they
Speaker 2: thought it was so funny. They were like, I cannot
Speaker 2: believe they aired this. I was like convinced that they
Speaker 2: were going to add like editing on it with like
Speaker 2: voodoo lights and little orbs or something. I was so
Speaker 2: convinced we're going to do that. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: they were prepared for the worst. I was like, guys,
Speaker 2: like sorry, like I did mention you, but you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about the curse all the time and they're
Speaker 2: such like lighthearted and fun people, so they didn't care
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 4: That's good. That's so fun.
Speaker 3: So then dating life was not it. How did you
Speaker 3: end up on the Bachelor?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: So my best friend nominated me on the Bachelor, and
Speaker 2: then I was like, whys can you believe it? Like
Speaker 2: nomine me to be on the Bachelor, and then a
Speaker 2: lot of my friends did it all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: I'm like, gosh, shit, I should just like nominate myself.
Speaker 2: And so it was just kind of like my friend
Speaker 2: saw that, like I just gone on another day and
Speaker 2: it wasn't working, and she was like, you need to
Speaker 2: go where they have pre vetted someone and you know
Speaker 2: that they're going to be a good person.
Speaker 1: You always say that.
Speaker 3: I do because as women, like if you meet a
Speaker 3: guy at a bar where you don't have like a
Speaker 3: mutual friend like with them or something like that. You're like,
Speaker 3: you're not pre vetted, Like you could be totally crazy,
Speaker 3: you could be a scumbag, and it's gonna take me
Speaker 3: a decent amount of time, like at least for four
Speaker 3: dates to figure that out for myself. Whereas when you
Speaker 3: go on The Bachelor or like Bachelor in Paradise or
Speaker 3: any of these shows, it's like, Okay, sure, like someone
Speaker 3: could still kind of be a scumbag, I guess, but
Speaker 3: it's like they're pre vetted.
Speaker 4: You know, they're not crazy.
Speaker 3: You know they're like emotionally available, you know they're genuinely
Speaker 3: looking for a relationship. Sorry to just take over, Caitlin,
Speaker 3: but I always say like there's a for women.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a big thing, be like this
Speaker 4: guy's pre vetted.
Speaker 2: No exactly, and especially the part where they're looking for
Speaker 2: a relationship. I feel like a lot of guys pretend
Speaker 2: that they are and I'm like, oh, I really like you,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, I'm not ready for anything yet,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so let's know we're back in ch acause
Speaker 1: I feel so Caitlyn Serena really needs to do this,
Speaker 1: like in chronological order, these interviews. So when I jumped
Speaker 1: ahead and asked about your your bob and your aunt,
Speaker 1: I could just feel I could feel the anxiety in
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 4: Oh, just like a linear thinker.
Speaker 1: So okay, so you get on, So you get on,
Speaker 1: and what are your thoughts? Did you know Joey was
Speaker 1: going to be the Bachelor? What were your thoughts when
Speaker 1: you found out it was going to be him?
Speaker 2: So I had no idea it was going to be
Speaker 2: him until, you know, when they announced him on TV,
Speaker 2: and I was like so psyched, Like me and my
Speaker 2: friends were like doing dances all around the kitchen because
Speaker 2: in all honesty, like obviously like I want to find
Speaker 2: this my person, and I want to go on the
Speaker 2: show for someone that's like vetted and I know they
Speaker 2: have the same goals in mind. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I wasn't really willing to go on for someone that
Speaker 2: I knew I couldn't be interested in or you know,
Speaker 2: wasn't attracted to. And so when I saw it was Joey,
Speaker 2: and he's just like the most amazing, nice, sweet person
Speaker 2: I've ever met with, like golden retriever energy, which is
Speaker 2: like definitely my type. I was just so psyched and
Speaker 2: that's when I was like really locked in, and that's
Speaker 2: when I told my work. I was like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm like piece it out for a little bit.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: No, I feel like a lot of the women from
Speaker 3: your season were super happy to find out it was
Speaker 3: Joey for sure. Yeah, so you get on the show
Speaker 3: it's Night one. Can you tell us about the dress
Speaker 3: that you wore, because I feel like it was like
Speaker 3: super memorable and fall but like definitely a unique silhouette
Speaker 3: compared to what we usually see for like Night one gowns,
Speaker 3: Like how did you find it?
Speaker 4: Where's it from? How'd you pick it?
Speaker 2: So I'm half Vietnamese, so that's like my culture and
Speaker 2: I mostly grew up with my mom, who immigrated here
Speaker 2: when she was seventeen or eighteen, and so I've always
Speaker 2: warned what that dress is called an auii and it's
Speaker 2: just like our traditional dress in Vietnam, and we normally
Speaker 2: wear it for like formal occasions and in the past,
Speaker 2: they like worked to school and like teachers wear it,
Speaker 2: so it's like very common in Vietnam. And you know,
Speaker 2: this was like a formal occasion. To me, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to meet someone tonight that could I could
Speaker 2: potentially be engaged too. I want him to know my
Speaker 2: culture and like see it on me, even if we
Speaker 2: don't have like a conversation about it. It's just like,
Speaker 2: are you willing to accept something that's like a little
Speaker 2: different than just like, you know, the normal like promisque dresses,
Speaker 2: which obviously I wear in the future as well. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's called an ALII And the whole point is
Speaker 2: to be completely modest, So you're covered all the head
Speaker 2: to toe and we have like pants underneath, so there's
Speaker 2: like a slit. The whole point is like femininity can
Speaker 2: still be seen through modesty.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed. That's amazing. It was beautiful.
Speaker 3: It looked amazing on you, And I just think that's
Speaker 3: such a great way to incorporate something special about you
Speaker 3: and your culture because you just never know how much
Speaker 3: time you're going to get with the lead and just
Speaker 3: to be like, hey, this is me and I'm going
Speaker 3: to like tell you about it, but I'm also going
Speaker 3: to show you a part of who I am as well.
Speaker 1: Is really spec what a cool story too, Like if
Speaker 1: you ask me, like what I wore A Yeah, so
Speaker 1: where'd you get I got out of this store. That's
Speaker 1: about the extent. So okay, So how about the other
Speaker 1: women in the house? Any who are you friends with?
Speaker 1: Who are you kind of like don't like this person?
Speaker 2: So in my limo was kelsey A, and I just
Speaker 2: like immediately became really good friends with her. She is
Speaker 2: such a wonderful energy, and she wasn't nervous at all too,
Speaker 2: which is why I think I like gravitated towards her
Speaker 2: that first night, because I was like obscenely nervous, like
Speaker 2: I'd never been that nervous in my whole life. Like
Speaker 2: I couldn't even like keep down a cookie and I
Speaker 2: love cookies. Like that was like unheard of me.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite cookie? Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, peanut butter.
Speaker 1: Peanut butter cookies, Matt, I love peanut butter cookies. We
Speaker 1: don't have peanut butter cookies in the house because Serena
Speaker 1: is allergic to nuts. But I do, I do love
Speaker 1: a peanut butter cookie.
Speaker 4: I know, I know, I'm just a burden. I'n just diet.
Speaker 1: Well. I mean, also, I haven't really been eating peanut
Speaker 1: butter that much because supposedly there's like a ton of
Speaker 1: mold in peanut Butter.
Speaker 4: I know, have you seen this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, So you're welcome. Actually I'm saving
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 1: Well I'm sure once it gets heated, like it goes away.
Speaker 1: But I don't know you're the radio chemist.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a cross over there, joists.
Speaker 1: Okay, so okay, So Kelsey Kelsey A.
Speaker 4: And I think we've seen that.
Speaker 3: Like in the last episode on the group day, we
Speaker 3: see you guys like kind of confiding in each other
Speaker 3: about the difficulty of that specific group day, and just
Speaker 3: like I feel like clips if I always see you
Speaker 3: guys like sitting together and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were definitely close. And then I got close
Speaker 2: with Daisy. And I didn't know this the first night
Speaker 2: about her cochlear implant, but I was just getting like
Speaker 2: so overwhelmeding in like a room like so many people.
Speaker 2: I kept like finding places that were quiet and like
Speaker 2: lone pold Das was there, which like makes sense like
Speaker 2: the day after when I found that out. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I became close with her because we were just like
Speaker 2: talking about like how overwhelming. I was like, can you
Speaker 2: believe we're here? You know, that sort of conversation. And
Speaker 2: then honestly, I didn't get to talk to everyone night
Speaker 2: one just because I feel like I was so in
Speaker 2: my own head that I didn't really feel like I
Speaker 2: got bad vibes from any one night one.
Speaker 1: How do you how about like now like mid season,
Speaker 1: anyone give you bad vibes?
Speaker 3: Well, let's be a little more specific with it, because
Speaker 3: there's definitely we've seen a lot of drama in the house.
Speaker 3: We haven't seen you involved in any of it, obviously,
Speaker 3: but you were there. I'm sure you have your opinions
Speaker 3: on it. The main it seems like there's like kind
Speaker 3: of two sides and then like a middle ground. We've
Speaker 3: got like Maria and then we've got Sidney, Lea and Jess.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you were close with any of
Speaker 3: these girls? Where do you think you kind of like
Speaker 3: fell in the mix of the drama?
Speaker 2: Right, So, I would say it for the drama itself,
Speaker 2: I was definitely more neutral. Like I have spoken with
Speaker 2: Maria and I've said this time and time again. She
Speaker 2: does have like such a positive energy and she never
Speaker 2: puts people down, but her conflict style is like way
Speaker 2: more aggressive than I think a lot of the other
Speaker 2: girls are. And then I'm really close with Lea like
Speaker 2: we were roommates in the hotels in Malta, and I
Speaker 2: love Jess. We were like our little like bees together,
Speaker 2: so we were always like close, but neither of them
Speaker 2: held it against me that you know, I was friends
Speaker 2: with the other. Like neither one encouraged to like need
Speaker 2: a talk shit or anything like that. I feel like
Speaker 2: both the girls, like have both sets of girls to
Speaker 2: have such positive light around them that it's like disappointing
Speaker 2: that it went this way. But I can't understand it.
Speaker 2: Like people have different conflict styles, So.
Speaker 4: What do you think it was?
Speaker 3: Because I totally agree, like it does seem like there's
Speaker 3: conflict and like, yeah, different ways, even like with Sydney
Speaker 3: and Maria, Like they definitely are different in the way
Speaker 3: like they communicate and their conflict styles. What do you
Speaker 3: think it was that was sparking this conflict because it
Speaker 3: does be like there's like on a personal level tension
Speaker 3: between these girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I don't even know because I remember I
Speaker 2: just come in from talking with Joey that night and
Speaker 2: I walked in and I was like, something's amiss, Like
Speaker 2: I missed something. I don't know what's going on, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe more just like insisting that, like
Speaker 2: Marie was insisting, like who asked? Who told you this?
Speaker 2: Like who told you this? And then Sydney was very
Speaker 2: insistent as well, like well this isn't cool like whatever.
Speaker 2: So and so, I don't know, it was just a
Speaker 2: lot for me. And I'm definitely like more of like
Speaker 2: a hands off sort of person like and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: we can disagree and that's okay with me. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. It was hard for me to understand.
Speaker 1: Too, oh the same way, like we could disagree and
Speaker 1: we get still be friends. Yeah, okay, So let's let's
Speaker 1: fast forward to present time in the show, and you
Speaker 1: are one of the women that are on this group date,
Speaker 1: which is you guys play hockey. Something happens before the.
Speaker 2: Dancing and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there was a saying, oh yeah, we forgot
Speaker 3: about the singing dancing moment. This gavenger Head group date
Speaker 3: was a lot. What were your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1: Again, because we do see you catch you pull Joey
Speaker 1: to the side, and you are you struggled a little
Speaker 1: with the date.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're definitely not the only one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I feel like going into this group date,
Speaker 2: I was already putting like a lot of pressure, I
Speaker 2: guess in Montreal because I knew it was only one
Speaker 2: more week and then hometowns. So I guess in my
Speaker 2: head it was immediately like, if I don't get on
Speaker 2: one on one this week, I don't think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make it, Like, to be honest, like, I don't think
Speaker 2: neither of us will have enough time to make sure
Speaker 2: that I'm ready for him to meet my family and
Speaker 2: he's ready to meet my family. So I initially put
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on my going into Montreal, and
Speaker 2: then Joey doubled down and staid, like, this is very important.
Speaker 2: We had like a pretty somber tone, I feel like
Speaker 2: to the start of it. And then obviously I found
Speaker 2: out that I'm not getting a one on one. I'm
Speaker 2: on this group date. So yeah, I had like a
Speaker 2: hard time with this group date, mostly because this felt
Speaker 2: like a date that you would kind of do just
Speaker 2: with one person, Like it didn't feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: the other dates were so.
Speaker 4: Like yeah in a group Yeah, it felt like this structure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like the structure of this group date
Speaker 3: was not cohesive to a group date, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Like it felt really challenging for him to get around
Speaker 3: to everyone, Like it feels like it's something you do
Speaker 3: with a group of friends, or you would do it
Speaker 3: with just one other person, like.
Speaker 2: A sidewalk can only fit Joey plus one other girl,
Speaker 2: and then anytime you were that girl, you're like love me,
Speaker 2: Like I.
Speaker 3: Just like I also feel like on the like a date,
Speaker 3: I would have gotten discouraged and been like I'm not
Speaker 3: fighting my way up to the front, Like I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna hang in the back and be annoyed.
Speaker 2: Probably that's definitely what I was like. And I'm also
Speaker 2: definitely more of a passive person, Like I'm not someone
Speaker 2: who's gonna like throw an elbow to get to talk
Speaker 2: to someone all friends. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not interested
Speaker 2: in like throwing anyone under the bus, but also I
Speaker 2: want someone else to like make a move and like
Speaker 2: show that you're interested and in that group. Date was
Speaker 2: hard because I don't I didn't felt like he did
Speaker 2: that with really anyone. And I know it's probably because
Speaker 2: like everyone was coming up to him and try to
Speaker 2: take his time, but it would have been nice to
Speaker 2: have like that validation throughout the date.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, No, it was a hard date to watch,
Speaker 3: just knowing how probably hard it was to be on
Speaker 3: that date. Like, I really empathize with you guys and
Speaker 3: Joey because it was just a difficult dynamic. Was there
Speaker 3: anyone that you felt like was really like you explained that,
Speaker 3: you feel like you're more passive, as like someone who
Speaker 3: didn't want to be like pushing their way to the front.
Speaker 3: Was there anyone on the date that you felt was
Speaker 3: doing that, not even in like a negative way, but
Speaker 3: that was maybe just more their style really going for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Jen is definitely like that sort
Speaker 2: of person, and I commend her for it, Like I
Speaker 2: wish I was like that. She's definitely like a very
Speaker 2: confident person and would always like go to Joey and
Speaker 2: like shown little things and point out things. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh man, I wish I could do that. At point,
Speaker 2: Tommy wasn't mad at me because I was so anxious. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like Jen really like shows her best self,
Speaker 2: like on camera and in front of a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and she's not afraid to show herself, which is really cool.
Speaker 3: So then you have your conversation. We see you and
Speaker 3: kelsey A have a little chat and just kind of
Speaker 3: you guys are talking about how you're both struggling on
Speaker 3: the date, and then we see you talk to Joey
Speaker 3: that night and you just kind of open up about
Speaker 3: like how it was hard.
Speaker 4: How did that conversation go?
Speaker 2: You know, I guess it went okay. I would say,
Speaker 2: I I think we have like an honest conversation, which
Speaker 2: is always good. It did leave me with like kind
Speaker 2: of a sinking feeling, though, just because I felt like
Speaker 2: we both kind of agreed that, you know, it just
Speaker 2: like it wasn't going at the pace that we needed
Speaker 2: to go. Like, we never had a one on one
Speaker 2: and I never really pushed myself so hard or like
Speaker 2: got out of my head enough during these group dates
Speaker 2: to really like make myself seen. So that was like
Speaker 2: a really difficult conversation to have, I feel like, and
Speaker 2: just to be like open about because I'm not used
Speaker 2: to like having to fight for a guy. And then
Speaker 2: also just to be vulnerable in front of someone I
Speaker 2: haven't known that long, in in front of cameras too,
Speaker 2: that's so scary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is scary.
Speaker 3: So you left that kind of with the sinking feeling.
Speaker 3: Was there a part of you that was wondering if
Speaker 3: you might be going home that week.
Speaker 2: I felt almost positive I was going home that week, sadly,
Speaker 2: just because I hadn't had that one open time, and
Speaker 2: then my time with Joey was really spent talking about
Speaker 2: how I wish I had time versus like, you know,
Speaker 2: furthering your relationship. So yeah, I didn't feel too great
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: I feel like, though, and tell me, tell me if
Speaker 3: you disagree, but do you feel like it was kind
Speaker 3: of like, how do I want to phrase this? Like,
Speaker 3: were you in any way a little bit grateful that
Speaker 3: he was kind of honest with you in that conversation
Speaker 3: about where your relationship was at versus just being like
Speaker 3: dumping a bunch of reassurance on you in that moment
Speaker 3: to leave the conversation feeling a lot better at the time,
Speaker 3: but then not getting rows with the row ceremony.
Speaker 2: I really appreciated his honesty, and I feel like me
Speaker 2: not getting a rose later or like leaving later in
Speaker 2: the week would have been so much tougher on me.
Speaker 2: If I felt like he had said, like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: like totally there, like don't worry about it, like I'm
Speaker 2: so confident about you, Like that would have made me
Speaker 2: feel sorry, like a different way about it. So I'm
Speaker 2: really glad that he was honest with me, as I
Speaker 2: was honest with him too.
Speaker 3: Was there any girls that you were surprised when they
Speaker 3: went home or maybe are surprised that they were still there,
Speaker 3: like I didn't realize like they had such a strong connection.
Speaker 2: No. I feel like the six girls that were left
Speaker 2: after Leye and I left, I felt like they had
Speaker 2: a strong connection. Like I was, like I was having
Speaker 2: a hard time even in my head, like who would
Speaker 2: even be going to hometowns? Like I had no idea
Speaker 2: who he was going to cut. But I was surprised
Speaker 2: that Lexi left because I thought they had a strong connection.
Speaker 2: But you know, we like talked about like her timeline
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, so it made sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I just want to ask, you know, if
Speaker 3: you feel comfortable sharing if not, no problem, because I
Speaker 3: know it's a bit of a personal question for Lexi.
Speaker 3: But she we never got to see what her timeline
Speaker 3: that she was kind of looking for. Did she ever
Speaker 3: speak with you guys about that. I know that Joey
Speaker 3: articulated his is she just kind of looking for a
Speaker 3: more like rapid pace? Because I know she just said
Speaker 3: like they don't align was kind of the messaging we
Speaker 3: got as viewers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I know Joey mentioned that he wants like
Speaker 2: a longer engagement and like a longer marriage before having kids,
Speaker 2: and I just don't think that Lexi has that in mind.
Speaker 2: I think she knows exactly what she wants and I
Speaker 2: applot her for it. So yeah, I think she just
Speaker 2: wants like a shorter timeframe to have her kids sooner,
Speaker 2: just because of her health issues and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, really, which absolutely makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense to get into it. Let's play a game. Game.
Speaker 1: A question though, is if we we're gonna have game.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. If if you were to
Speaker 1: get if they did a Bachelor in Paradise and they
Speaker 1: asked you to go, would you hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, look, you guys came out of that.
Speaker 2: I would love to find my person, even if it's
Speaker 2: through something unconventional like paradise. Yeah, I think it would
Speaker 2: be really fun. I don't know if I'd look forward
Speaker 2: to like sweating that much, but.
Speaker 3: It like it like varies every season, Like I feel
Speaker 3: like every year it's different. Our season was crazy hot,
Speaker 3: we had tear and like we had storms and stuff,
Speaker 3: but then we didn't have any bugs because it was
Speaker 3: so hot, whereas then the following two years I heard
Speaker 3: that it wasn't that like last year. I think it
Speaker 3: like wasn't that hot at all, but it was crazy buggy.
Speaker 3: So it's like pick your poison, I know.
Speaker 1: Oh, also, you have to tell all coming up anything
Speaker 1: you're excited about.
Speaker 2: For that, I don't even know if I'm excited. I'm
Speaker 2: just like nervous because I know, like with everything airing,
Speaker 2: like emotions have been arising again and bubbling up. So
Speaker 2: I'm just like nervous to see the conflict again because
Speaker 2: like being there in person, it's just so overwhelming. It's
Speaker 2: just like really really loud arg and it can just
Speaker 2: get to be a lot. I really am excited though,
Speaker 2: for both girls to like get to share more of
Speaker 2: their story and like why they felt that way, because
Speaker 2: I feel like the show obviously like we have so
Speaker 2: much to show or sorry, we have so much that
Speaker 2: we have filmed, but not a lot can be shown,
Speaker 2: and so I feel like it's a good time for
Speaker 2: the girls to have like that full hour to like
Speaker 2: really talk about it and get to the bottom of
Speaker 2: things and hopefully everyone can be friends after this.
Speaker 1: So well, hopefully they don't take up the whole hour
Speaker 1: because I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm sure to know what happens. I'm sure they're going
Speaker 3: to take up a good portion of it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the towel is always a great time to
Speaker 3: get more insight into like more details about the drama,
Speaker 3: maybe things that weren't shown, and just more context for
Speaker 3: the viewers and sometimes an opportunity for reconciliation. If Sydney
Speaker 3: Mario Walkerway's friends, I'll literally be floored.
Speaker 4: But you never know, anything could happen.
Speaker 2: I'd be so shocked, but I do hope it happened,
Speaker 2: or at least all the other girls in a want too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, rapid fire, rapid fire, it comes. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: do it, Okay, first thing that comes to your head.
Speaker 4: Just they're all just like easy, fun questions about you,
Speaker 4: No need to stress.
Speaker 1: Sneakers or heels for a night out.
Speaker 2: Sneakers, I'm five to ten, dude.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah you're tall? Wait were you taller than Joey?
Speaker 2: No? Actually, when I wore my heels and he wore his,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, like loafers like this equated to
Speaker 2: like the he was fairly taller.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Kelsey a seems tall too, right, mm hmm, she's.
Speaker 2: Just in shorter than me. I also think that's why
Speaker 2: we got a long because we got to share some
Speaker 2: many clothes and shoes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like you Kelsey and Lexie were always
Speaker 3: sharing clothes always yeah.
Speaker 1: Always dream vacation destination.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well, I'm going to Patigoingia next week,
Speaker 2: and that's like always gonna dream of mind. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 2: a big like hiker and climber, so I'm excited.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. An artist you'd love to see perform.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Tate McRae, no way.
Speaker 3: I think she's like the city I grew up in.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, I think she's how old is she? She's
Speaker 3: like a few years younger than.
Speaker 1: He is young, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but one of the guys I used to dance
Speaker 3: like against a competition is like her backup dancer, I think.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah, random connection.
Speaker 1: Favorite favorite date this season, Oh my gosh, the tennis
Speaker 1: date was so fun, so funny.
Speaker 4: I loved that date.
Speaker 1: Night owl or early bird.
Speaker 2: My god, neither. I'm like an old lady. I like
Speaker 2: I like to sleep in and then go to bed
Speaker 2: at like nine.
Speaker 1: Favorite city to visit in the world.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I just love Saigon, Vietnam so much.
Speaker 1: Favorite food or cuisine, Oh, I.
Speaker 2: Really like high food. I feel like it's probably my favorite.
Speaker 1: I just have a really good time the other night.
Speaker 1: Did you from where Bangkok?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Coffee or tea?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, neither.
Speaker 4: I don't like the taste, really, do do? You don't
Speaker 4: drink anything for caffeine?
Speaker 2: Sometimes I drink energy drinks, but I try to stray
Speaker 2: away because they're just so bad. I know, and I'm
Speaker 2: embarrassed too every time I opened.
Speaker 1: Up, like, ah, well, look, go to cocktail on a
Speaker 1: night out?
Speaker 2: Oh, French seventy five?
Speaker 4: Someone else?
Speaker 1: Yea, I think on this season. Yeah, a dating deal
Speaker 1: breaker of yours.
Speaker 2: Oh if they hunt.
Speaker 1: Favorite physical quality of on a man, I feel like
Speaker 1: their smile. Favorite subject or class you've taken.
Speaker 2: In organic chemistry.
Speaker 1: Favorite memory from the show.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I have so many. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to give me one.
Speaker 4: It could just be one of your favorites. It doesn't
Speaker 4: have to be the favorite.
Speaker 1: This is the last question. So this is what I.
Speaker 2: Was cracking on the Montreal date, but I really liked
Speaker 2: when we were all dancing around. I feel like that
Speaker 2: was just so fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, nice, Well that does it for today, Caitlin, Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on Happy Hour, Thank
Speaker 1: you guys for having me, and thank you to all
Speaker 1: our listeners. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: And make sure to subscribe to About Your Happy Hour
Speaker 4: because we have new episodes every single week and more
Speaker 4: slissive interviews to come.
Speaker 1: Thanks again Bye,