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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. Our guest is

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Speaker 2: Kevin's surreally futurist. And I have a list of about

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Speaker 2: one hundred questions for Kevin and then a list of

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Speaker 2: a bunch of things that he wants to talk about

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Speaker 2: and when I want to ask you now isn't even

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Speaker 2: on that list. But we are going to get to Mars.

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Speaker 2: We are going to get to exploring space in colonizing

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Speaker 2: and mining asteroids. But you brought up AI, and I

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Speaker 2: want to ask you a little bit about AI and

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Speaker 2: where it's going and how quickly it's going, because I've

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Speaker 2: noticed in the last few weeks of using things like

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Speaker 2: chat GPT in Gemini that they've taken a leap forward

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Speaker 2: in the things that they're able to aggregate for information.

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Speaker 2: So I'm having lunch with a friend of mine who

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Speaker 2: who does investing. It's Nape Jeff, and he was asking me, well,

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Speaker 2: which do you use and I said, well, I have

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Speaker 2: chat GPT on my phone and he stops. He's like,

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Speaker 2: you really need to use all of them. You need

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Speaker 2: to get Gemini, you need to get perplexity. You need

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Speaker 2: to get at groc which is Eli Musk's AI uh,

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Speaker 2: and you need to find out which one speaks to

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Speaker 2: you for what type of thing. And I've noticed that

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Speaker 2: it's starting to feel a little bit like social media

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Speaker 2: for me, where I guess there's not one that's going

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Speaker 2: to emerge and be the greatest thing, like you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe Apple or Microsoft. It's going to be more like

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Speaker 2: there's Facebook, there's Instagram, there's you know, there's there's TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you want, there's going to be an AI that

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Speaker 2: kind of caters to that. And I feel like they've

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Speaker 2: taken just a giant leap as far as how they

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Speaker 2: communicate back in a way that feels a little more human.

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Speaker 3: Have you noticed that or am I just picking up

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Speaker 3: on that?

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Speaker 4: No, you're absolutely correct. And I talk about this on

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Speaker 4: the show Hello Future. And I've been talking to so

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Speaker 4: many technologists and different experts in this field, and I

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Speaker 4: think the really great way to think about artificial intelligence

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Speaker 4: is as if it's a series of different instruments, and

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Speaker 4: certain instruments that we design we want to be more creative,

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Speaker 4: and other instruments that we design, if they're instruments not

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Speaker 4: in the musical sense. But for doctors in the operating room,

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Speaker 4: we don't want them to make any mistakes. We don't

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Speaker 4: care if they're creative. For other instruments, if they're instruments

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Speaker 4: that scientists or instruments that Wall Street investors are using,

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Speaker 4: we want to make sure that they are error free

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Speaker 4: and that they are factually reporting everything. Right now, all

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Speaker 4: of us in the general public are utilizing the same

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Speaker 4: type of artificial intelligence LLM as their known models, but

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Speaker 4: the instruments so as different as these individual platforms that

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Speaker 4: you just alluded to are, I would argue they're the

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Speaker 4: same type of car, they're the same type of instrument.

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Speaker 4: They're all a bunch of different trumpets. I look forward

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Speaker 4: to the day where artists can paint in different colors,

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Speaker 4: where Wall Street investors can can utilize different platforms that

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Speaker 4: you know, don't care about painting in different colors, and

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Speaker 4: where doctors are using different things. And I think that's

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Speaker 4: where we're ultimately headed. But we're still just scratching the surface.

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Speaker 4: Does that make sense, Yeah, it does. It's really it's

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Speaker 4: been really interesting. So my my use. I paid for

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Speaker 4: all of them, you know, all the all the apps

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Speaker 4: I paid form because I want to see exactly what

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Speaker 4: they can do.

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Speaker 2: So like Gemini for me is more of the if

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Speaker 2: you need an image created, if you need to look

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Speaker 2: up some googly things, that's really good. What was really

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Speaker 2: interesting is I busted my chat gpt lying to me.

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Speaker 2: So I had sent it a song that I recorded,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, I want to get your take

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Speaker 2: on the song. And so it tells me things that

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Speaker 2: are true about the song, and then it says something

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Speaker 2: bit more in the mix, but what a great vocal. Well,

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Speaker 2: I sent it an instrumental, so I busted it, and

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Speaker 2: I said, why did you say that? Because I sent

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Speaker 2: it actually takes everything that's ever been posted. If you're

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Speaker 2: not like the AI takes the file that you sent

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Speaker 2: it and listens to it with ears, it's just looking

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Speaker 3: I thought was kind of interesting too. Well, it's a hallucination.

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Speaker 4: And I think we in the definitely the mainstream media

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Speaker 4: who are listening tonight, which is that humans hallucinate. Technology

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Speaker 4: can also hallucinate. But what's different about artificial intelligence? And

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Speaker 4: I put this to one technologist this week who really

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Speaker 4: was trying to simplify these concepts and trying to implify

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Speaker 4: it and understand it, because when you understand it, you're

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Speaker 4: less scared of it. And this person, this technologist who

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Speaker 4: has advised all of the major Fortune five companies for

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Speaker 4: lack to be blunt, said to me, artificial intelligence as

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Speaker 4: we know it today, what is it trained on? I said, well,

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Speaker 4: the world? And he said to me, no, it's trained

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Speaker 4: on the Internet. It's not trained on the world. It's

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Speaker 4: not trained on humans. And if we think of how

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Speaker 4: much we humans screwed up the Internet, and you think

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Speaker 4: of the data set that's getting pulled from artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 3: Not accurate at all. Right, the Internet's its just as.

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Speaker 4: Accurate, but it's is the Internet. And then and then

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Speaker 4: you start to think about what is the Internet an

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Speaker 4: accurate depiction of the humanity or are other parts of

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Speaker 4: our world are more accurate depictions. So I think it's

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Speaker 4: it's an interesting technology that I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: interested in humans interacting with it and developing different sets

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Speaker 4: of models, and I think that will be you know,

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Speaker 2: Do you think when we start to talk about this.

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Speaker 2: I know you're a big space freak. I know you

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Speaker 2: love this. So do you think that that AI is

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Speaker 2: going to help us terraforms something like Mars and will

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Speaker 2: AI be the first true Martians before they even send

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Speaker 4: I think robots will arrive on Mars. Elon Musk has

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Speaker 4: said this openly. I think Sam Altman said two weeks

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Speaker 4: ago that the future of jobs are in outer space

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Speaker 4: as well. I think artificial intelligence, look, no doubt, is

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Speaker 4: going to help us get there. It's like a super

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Speaker 4: charge on the mission to Artemis and Mars and beyond.

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Speaker 4: But truthfully, what I am most excited about, what I

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Speaker 4: am most trying to wrap my head around that the

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Speaker 4: media is not telling anyone about that, even Wall Street

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Speaker 4: is just waking up to is quantum computing. Quantum computing

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Speaker 4: is a completely different understanding of how the smartest people

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Speaker 4: we look at different particles and subatomic particles that changes

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Speaker 4: on the head the computer that you, and operating systems

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Speaker 4: that you and I and your control room and your

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Speaker 4: listeners who are driving in their cars use. Quantum computing

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Speaker 4: is something that a lot of people are going to

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Speaker 4: say is very very hard to understand without a physics degree.

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Speaker 4: But I call bs and I say it is very

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Speaker 4: easy to understand for anyone who's ever read a comic book,

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Speaker 4: or anyone who has ever listened to an old side

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Speaker 4: movie or watch the sci fi film.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's educate people right now. I actually just

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Speaker 2: watched a story on quantum computing. It was on ABC

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Speaker 2: World News overnight this morning, and they were talking about

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Speaker 2: how cold the computer has to be to work, in

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Speaker 2: how it can solve problems in about three minutes that

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Speaker 2: would have taken a standard computer as we know it,

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Speaker 2: like thirteen trillion years or something like that.

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Speaker 3: That work through.

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Speaker 2: So the idea of it is amazing. But talk to

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Speaker 2: me like I'm in fourth grade. Explain to me quantum

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Speaker 3: I'll talk to you like you're in kindergarten. Have you

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Speaker 3: ever played pac Man?

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Speaker 4: Of course, so with pac Man, think of pac Man

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Speaker 4: as a traditional computer. Everybody sees like the yellow talk

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Speaker 4: thing that's eating the little dots and the pac Man maze.

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Speaker 4: That's a traditional computer. A quantum computer is literally operating

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Speaker 4: the whole entire maze all at once, getting all the

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Speaker 4: dots in a split second.

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Speaker 3: That's all. It is so fun.

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Speaker 4: Another way, it's very fun. It's very easy to understand.

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Speaker 4: Another way it can it can solve the maze and

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Speaker 4: go in every direction all at once. Another way to

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Speaker 4: understand it is if you've ever had a light switch

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Speaker 4: there's on and there's off, But if you've ever had

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Speaker 4: up and you can glide down. That is quantum computing

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Speaker 4: trying to operate in multiple different levels. And many would

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Speaker 4: argue an an infinite number of levels, an infinite level

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Speaker 4: of positions of computing all at once. They call it

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Speaker 4: super positions. But essentially it's just multiple positions all at once.

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Speaker 4: And then the last thing that I would use to

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Speaker 4: explain it is, you know, I'll go a little more

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Speaker 4: in depth for the middle schoolers out there, but your

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Speaker 4: computer makes a decision. Every decision it makes literally from

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Speaker 4: sending an email to playing you know, Minecraft, if you're

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Speaker 4: playing video games. Every computer makes a decision off of

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Speaker 4: quantum computer does is operates as if it's a tennis

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Speaker 4: a quantum computer does is, well, it can be the

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Speaker 4: instantaneously solve decisions that would take trillions of years for

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Speaker 4: a traditional computer, all at once. And it's really really

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Speaker 4: helpful when trying to create simulations. And now we can

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Speaker 4: talk about why people want to have simulations because that

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Speaker 4: allows them to solve the traffic that you're sitting in

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Speaker 4: during rush hour, but it also allows them to crack

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Speaker 4: the codes of the universe.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. So when Do you think you the world

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Speaker 2: news tonight? Yeah, you sure did.

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