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Speaker 1: Welcome to this classic replay of the Taking a Walk

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Speaker 1: podcast with your host Buzz Night and his special guest,

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Speaker 1: Jelly Roll. Jelly has been on an incredible ride, selling

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Speaker 1: out venues all over the country and winning multiple awards

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Speaker 1: for his music, including three CMT Awards for Son of

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Speaker 1: a Sinner. Jelly has a checkered past and turned to

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Speaker 1: music to find redemption. He started as a rapper and

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Speaker 1: found his way to country music, making his debut at

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Speaker 1: the Grand Old Opry in November of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Jelly Roll was one of music's biggest stars, and we're

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Speaker 1: proud to present this classic replay with Jelly and your

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Speaker 1: host Buzz Night on Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jelly Roll, it's so great to have you on

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Speaker 2: Taking a Walk here. You started twenty twenty two playing

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Speaker 2: eight hundred seats I believe it was in Buffalo, New York,

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Speaker 2: and you ended up playing twenty thousand seat sellout at

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Speaker 2: your hometown in Nashville.

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Speaker 3: What was the first.

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Speaker 2: Experience like and what was the Nashville experience like as well?

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Speaker 4: It was, you know, the first experience. The funny part

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Speaker 4: of that story I don't get to tell nobody is

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Speaker 4: because I haven't got the detail it is. I actually

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Speaker 4: missed the Buffalo show. I had a flight get canceled

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Speaker 4: because of a snowstorm in Buffalo, and I ended up

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Speaker 4: having to just skip Buffalo and go to Boston the

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Speaker 4: next day, which was the Palladium in Wooston, Massachusetts. So

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Speaker 4: it was just funny that my first booking of the

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Speaker 4: year was in a club, you know, and then of

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Speaker 4: course even the second show. You've probably been to the Palladium.

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Speaker 4: I know you came from the Boston market, so you know,

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Speaker 4: it's what two thousand cap club or whatever, you know,

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Speaker 4: And to end it in a completely sold out arena

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Speaker 4: at home was just a testament of the year. I

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Speaker 4: was having to tell John Lowe, but the president of

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Speaker 4: our Broken Bow Records and the label that signed the

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Speaker 4: guy that gave me my chance. And of course there

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Speaker 4: were some mishaps with all of the partners and media

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Speaker 4: and we're shooting a documentary and filming this big show,

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Speaker 4: you know, and Loba wasn't upset, but he was like, man,

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Speaker 4: it was just really hard to find you. That afternoon,

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Speaker 4: I said, you got to remember this is this is

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Speaker 4: We had to grow into the arenas in like ten

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Speaker 4: months flat. It was hard. You know, it's a pig

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Speaker 4: we went from I went from I went into the

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Speaker 4: pandemic in a two sprinter van tour right and that

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Speaker 4: sprinter van for me and the family, and I sent

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Speaker 4: the band and the other sprinter. So I come out

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Speaker 4: of the pandemic straight into a two bus tour and

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Speaker 4: ended in a six bus seven truck tour. You know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And all these dudes around you are

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Speaker 4: just trying to tell you what's going on, and you're

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Speaker 4: so confused, just trying to trust them, you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, You're just like, are you sure this is

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Speaker 4: the right decision to make? By the whole other bus

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Speaker 4: of people, they was like, somebody's got to run the lights.

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Speaker 4: I was like, God, why are we bringing lights? Because

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Speaker 3: How does John Lobo make it look so easy? As

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Speaker 3: my question?

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Speaker 4: Oh listen, Loba acts like nothing. He never he only

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Speaker 4: seems excited. He never seems stressed. He's always forward to think.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he goes home and just melts

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Speaker 4: he's just unbelievable. Man.

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Speaker 2: He did this podcast, and I have to tell you,

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Speaker 2: his vision and his leadership come shining through in that episode.

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Speaker 4: Jelly No, I gotta check it out because he's I

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Speaker 4: see it every time I talk to him. I'm so

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Speaker 4: blessed to have a label partner that I talked to

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Speaker 4: multiple times a week. I mean him, Carson, Adrian Michaels,

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Speaker 2: You know, you share some similar life paths as the

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Speaker 2: great Johnny Cash, prison time, drug challenges, personal trials. What

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Speaker 4: You, oh man? Johnny was one of the the whole

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Speaker 4: outlaw movement, not limited to Johnny, but that whole era

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Speaker 4: was still probably my favorite era in American music history.

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Speaker 4: And I say American music history, not just country music history.

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Speaker 4: Because Nashville was on fire. You know, Bob Dillon came

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Speaker 4: Skyline record came down here into the Johnny Cash Show.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Johnny Cash had transcended country music at a

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Speaker 4: Johnny knew how to walk that line. And I don't

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Speaker 4: even mean just in his relationship. I meant in the business, right,

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Speaker 4: you know, he stood by his outlawedness. He stood a

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Speaker 4: man of character, a man of integrity, morals, what he believed.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't afraid to tell you to fuck off, right,

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Speaker 4: but equally did fifty two shows of the Johnny Cash Show,

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Speaker 4: you've probably seen about him, A Richard Nixon, Tricky Dick,

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Speaker 4: as captain, you know. And Johnny Cash was the ultimate

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Speaker 4: to me of that era, the guy that I aspired

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Speaker 4: to be. Me and my buddy Ryan Upchurch struggled. Jennings

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Speaker 4: and Adam Calhoun were talking reason and Ryan up Church

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Speaker 4: is a multi genre artist as well, but does it

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Speaker 4: independently and has no aspiration to partner with the label.

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Speaker 4: I am anti the system right as far as like

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Speaker 4: the establishment, meaning, I think artist should own art, and

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Speaker 4: I'm pressing that big in these rooms is that artists

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Speaker 4: should own art. There's no reason these artist shouldn't own

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Speaker 4: a piece of their masters. Ryan's just like, I'm never

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Speaker 4: playing ball with those guys. And I said, well, that's

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Speaker 4: what makes this so cool about all four of us

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Speaker 4: is because that was Johnny Whalon, Willie, Chris Jesse. Right,

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Speaker 4: if you think about it, Johnny played the game, Johnny

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Speaker 4: Cash show, big late night TV appearances, stood next to President.

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Speaker 4: You know, man Wayling Jennings didn't give a shit about

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Speaker 4: none of that. Dude. He showed up every now and

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It's like, so it's really

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Speaker 4: cool to see that even in this generation, that outlaw

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Speaker 2: You know, I love your appreciation for the historical figures

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's bound to repeat itself. So I just

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Speaker 4: and I mimicked my entire songwriting style from that nineteen

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Speaker 4: James Taylor, Jim Crochey, these are the guys that made

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Speaker 3: John Prine, I would imagine.

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Speaker 2: Zah, absolutely, Do you remember the first time that you

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Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, dude. I went downstairs. So my mother struggled

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Speaker 3: Do you remember what you wrapped you too?

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Speaker 4: I don't remember anything. It was just like, you know,

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Speaker 4: In hindsight, they were just trying to get rid of me.

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Speaker 4: That's how we do kids. Yeah, Greg, go write another

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Speaker 4: one of those. I'll give you another magic moment real quick,

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Speaker 4: M Nothing short of unreal. I mean, he's the goat.

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Speaker 4: Anything connected with him is just I think he's the

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Speaker 3: You have this unbelievable lack of being categorized in one genre.

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Speaker 2: You've got rap, you've got rock, you've got country, you've

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Speaker 3: How does that make you feel that you defy categorization?

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Speaker 4: Lifelong dream? I feel like my whole life I just

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Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of us live in that space.

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Speaker 4: We were just so taught that we have to fit

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Speaker 4: because when I was a kid, you couldn't come to

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Speaker 4: You were either a country person, you were a rock person,

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Speaker 2: And when you did the sellout at the arena, you

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Speaker 3: Thank you for saying yes to being on taking a

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Speaker 4: No, these are the easy ones, the nose or whenever

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Thank for your time, buzz anytime. Congratulations man. On a

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Speaker 4: It's so cool. I wish you blessings on these podcasts.

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Speaker 4: I hope you do a thousand of them. I hope

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Speaker 4: for you. You know, you're an artist at heart, Buzz.

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Speaker 4: Artists deserve to own art.

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Speaker 3: You're the best.

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Speaker 2: I hope I get to meet you down at the

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be down there, so.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, then you're absolutely going to meet me. I'llell low,

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Speaker 4: Sure that happens. I'll come find you. I'm in town

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Thank you, I really thank you. I have a

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Speaker 4: But you know what, I'll talk to love, but I

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Speaker 3: It's awesome. Well, I'd be honored to get it to you.

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Speaker 2: And uh, I'm so grateful and tickled and uh and

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Speaker 3: Just you know, kicking ass. And this is going to

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Speaker 4: Okay Waite Thank you so much, Buzz, thanks Jolly.

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