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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: The time is now.

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Speaker 3: The clock has finally ticked down on so called colt

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Speaker 3: Mom Laurie Valow it all started.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. I was looking at my notes. I't want

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Speaker 2: to show you way back.

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Speaker 3: When when I was writing about as I called her

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Speaker 3: then doomsday cult mom, now cult Mom Laurie Valo and

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Speaker 3: brand new husband.

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Speaker 2: Chad Dave Bell.

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Speaker 3: And the very first thing I wrote was have chill

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Speaker 3: Thursday to produce their children.

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Speaker 2: That's how it all started.

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Speaker 3: When these two children seemingly vanish into thin air, they

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Speaker 3: go missing. Then we found out about this twisted cult

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Speaker 3: that Laurie Valo had become enmeshed in and her prophet

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Speaker 3: lover turned husband, Chad Daybill.

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Speaker 2: That's how it all started.

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Speaker 3: When we couldn't find those children, that the search was on,

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Speaker 3: and we speculated, are they being hidden away with some

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Speaker 3: of the cult followers. Are they in some cave somewhere

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Speaker 3: or some obscure home with the windows boarded up?

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Speaker 2: And why? And actually that's what we hoped.

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Speaker 3: We hoped that, as bizarre as it was, these children

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Speaker 3: were somehow spirited away and were being kept by cult members.

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Speaker 2: As horrible as that would.

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Speaker 3: Have been, And then as the days, the weeks, the

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Speaker 3: months passed, we realized they weren't being hidden, that somewhere, somehow,

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Speaker 3: they were dead. All this happened while cult Mam Laurie

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Speaker 3: Valo and her new I Believe four fifth confusing husband,

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Speaker 3: the Prophet as he calls himself, Chad Daybell, had gone

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Speaker 3: to and had literally danced on the beach after their

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Speaker 3: wedding ceremony, taking wedding photos. You know how when you

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Speaker 3: get married, a lot of people go stage photos on

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Speaker 3: the beach.

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Speaker 2: They actually did that.

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Speaker 3: Now, it probably was normal to the people standing around

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Speaker 3: them and watching them. But what those people didn't know

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Speaker 3: is that back home, Jj entirely had been brutally murdered

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Speaker 3: and buried on the Prophet Chad Daybell's property, actually at

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Speaker 3: his pet cemetery.

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Speaker 2: That's where the children were.

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Speaker 3: Then we began to speculate and wonder and investigate, well,

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Speaker 3: what about Tammy Daybell. She conveniently died right before their

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Speaker 3: Hawaii wedding. Then the evidence began to unfold, including Coltman

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Speaker 2: Before Tammy Day Bell died.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure when the jury heard that their

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Speaker 3: heads were just spinning. Long story short, it proceeded from

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Speaker 3: there to an indictment for the both of them.

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Speaker 2: Court wrangling.

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Speaker 3: Their trials were severed under the law, which means they

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Speaker 3: were tried separately. The first to go to trial Colt

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Speaker 3: Mom Luri Valo soon to follow. We believe in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four will be her husband, the Prophet Chad at Debel.

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Speaker 3: We are waiting right now for finally, believe it or not,

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Speaker 3: I'm looking back at these notes, but we were still

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Speaker 3: looking for JJ entyly.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not.

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Speaker 3: We've gone through investigation, indictment, and now sentencing after a

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Speaker 3: very longer torture was jury trial. So many people have

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Speaker 3: been affected by what Laurie Valo her husband the Prophet

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Speaker 2: There are dead.

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Speaker 3: Bodies connected to these two. We still don't know the

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Speaker 3: answer to those. But right now all eyes trained on

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Speaker 3: a courtroom, but with me an all star panel to

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Speaker 3: make sense of what we know. Right now, Mark Tate

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Speaker 3: is joining me from the Tate Law Group. Mark has

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Speaker 3: tried many many cases, including homicide, saddling on the other

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Speaker 3: side of the fence. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining

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Speaker 3: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her

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Speaker 3: at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris McDonough is joining us,

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Speaker 3: director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective when

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Speaker 3: nearly three hundred homicides under his belt, those investigations, many

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Speaker 3: at the interview room on YouTube and you can find

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Speaker 3: him at Colcasefoundation dot org. But first I want to

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Speaker 3: True Crime podcast and YouTube channel, Lauren Matthias. Lauren, we're

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Speaker 3: getting a sentencing today of caltmom Laurie Valo. I expected

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Speaker 3: the trial of Chad day Bell. And I'm also curious

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Speaker 3: what can you tell me about the prophet?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I can tell you a lot about the prophet Chad

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Speaker 4: day Bell. You know I'm actually in Rexburg right now, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: and we have been to his house. I have spoken

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Speaker 4: to jurors who now are dedicated to making sure we

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Speaker 4: have justice not just for Lori Valo da Bell, but

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Speaker 4: for her sidekick, her partner in crime, Chaddemol.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hold on right there, Lauren, I'm gonna I'm going

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Speaker 3: to come right back to you. But doctor Angie, I

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Speaker 3: want you to listen, especially to what Laura Matthias is saying.

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Speaker 3: Because Cole Mom and all of her Kookie beliefs was

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Speaker 2: Then people started dying, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So that that singally effect he had on her is

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Speaker 3: something I'd like you, doctor Angie, to analyze. Mark Taite,

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Speaker 3: I want you to think about co defendants under the law.

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Speaker 3: And Chris McDonough. We've seen a lot of murders where

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Speaker 2: What she can't call nine one one jump in McDonough.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, in this saga, I hear Nancy as

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Speaker 5: you've been talking about it from day one. This is

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Speaker 5: a situation where the two personalities come together and quite frankly,

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Speaker 5: she seems to be the more dominant one over this,

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Speaker 5: you know, false prophet Chad, And it's really been interesting

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Speaker 5: to see that he's been just kind of you tagging along,

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Speaker 5: but he has a tremendous amount of influence.

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Speaker 3: But what, okay, get back on his satellite.

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Speaker 4: Yes, please do so. I actually think it was Chad's

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Speaker 4: belief system. Chad was a doomsday author. Chad had a

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Speaker 4: scale where he rated people light to dark. Chad would

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Speaker 4: one who labeled Tyley, sixteen year old Tylie, Ryan Laurie's daughter,

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Speaker 4: his books. He was the speaker at these conferences, these

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Speaker 4: And so I actually think that, you know, thank goodness,

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Speaker 4: I think you're right, Nancy. I think that we'll see,

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Speaker 4: let's hope for life, let's hope for two lives. But

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Speaker 2: We need to make.

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Speaker 4: Sure we see this through until next year and see

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Speaker 4: and be there for Chad day Bell's trial too, because

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Speaker 2: What they have done is horrendous.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think hearing Arimathiah speaking, who was there

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Speaker 3: in town, I guess that's Mark.

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Speaker 6: Take go ahead, Mark, Yeah, I was going to just

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Speaker 6: us Bengali effect that this Chad dave Bell had, and

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Speaker 6: I think it really is interesting because you know, we

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Speaker 6: just saw one of Charles Manson's followers paroled, and I

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Speaker 6: think that, you know, these types of cult leaders are

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Speaker 6: known to be very charismatic, and they make the people

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Speaker 6: of course everything he was saying.

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Speaker 2: Is can you please stop? Mark te right there? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Tay Tay, Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes or no? Have you ever given birth Mark Tate?

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Speaker 6: No? But it's starting to feel like it in this interview.

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, that was a one.

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Speaker 3: That was just a one word answer, because I don't

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Speaker 2: Fig whose Fingali is.

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Speaker 3: But when you are a mother and you would go

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Speaker 3: you can go straight to h E double L all right,

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Speaker 3: because I'm not buying.

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Speaker 6: Commenting on his manipulative effect. I think he's clearly skilled

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Speaker 6: and I think obviously she's convicted, and you're right she

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Speaker 1: Time stories with me. It'sy Grace.

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Speaker 3: Guys, I want you to listen to our friend Rick

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Speaker 3: Leventhal joining us from Fox.

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Speaker 2: Take a listener. Cut to still more.

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Speaker 8: Questions than answers in the disappearance of an Idaho brother

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Speaker 8: ty Lee haven't been seen since September. The kid's mother,

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Speaker 8: Lorie Valo, and her new husband, left for Hawaii about

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Speaker 8: three months ago. Valo and her new husband are members

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Speaker 8: and they've been surrounded by sudden deaths. Her brother killed

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Speaker 9: Authority served a search warrant on Dave Bell's home Tuesday,

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Speaker 9: leading to the discovery of what now police confirm is

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Speaker 10: New developments and somber news coming out of the Lori

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Speaker 10: Valo case. Relatives of the Valo family say that the

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Speaker 10: Chad day Bell, are in fact Valo's children, Jj Vallo

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Speaker 3: don't know what kind of mastermind devised that. But it

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Speaker 3: pedal to make sense of what we heard right now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it affected you guys the way

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Speaker 2: So markin Tate, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: I got to tell you the way that Rob Wood,

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Speaker 2: Joining us out of Savannah. I want he mentioned Samantha Gilliam's.

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Speaker 11: Your children, your poor children, were dead and buried on

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Speaker 11: Why plan something so a heinous? And you are a liar,

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Speaker 7: Hammy lived her life, she supported her family in every way,

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Speaker 7: You are now going to pay the price, albeit never

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Speaker 3: Wow, that was Vicky Hobman speaking, and when Kate Woodcock

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Speaker 3: only she would know what those numbers were. Fourteen hundred

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Speaker 3: me All Star Panel, Chris mc dunna is joining US

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Speaker 2: Chris, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: You know, the prosecutor there at the end, Rob Wood

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Speaker 3: One time, one time, Chris McDonagh, I saw her, very

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Speaker 2: Saw this, Chris mcdoni.

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Speaker 3: But the lead defense attorney was wiping sweat off his

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Speaker 3: make of when Rob Wood described what these two young

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Speaker 2: No jury really wants to hear that, but they have to.

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Speaker 5: Chris, Yeah, one hundred percent, Nancy. And it was riveting.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think one thing that the audience needs

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Speaker 3: a book as riveting. It made me sink to my stomach.

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Speaker 5: Chris, No, I agree one hundred percent. And that's where

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Speaker 5: I was going here. One thing we don't need to

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Speaker 5: And when we think about the horror that these children

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Speaker 5: And this poor little autistic child, this little boy whose

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Speaker 5: she is evil to the core. I agree with you

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Speaker 5: one thousand percent.

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Speaker 3: You know when you said that that last picture at

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Speaker 3: she's there, Angela, doctor Angie is a renowned psychiatrist. I

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Speaker 3: She knew at that time of that picture she was

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Speaker 12: You know Nancy. That's why it's very important for us

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Speaker 12: to realize that she is not capable of being rehabilitated.

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Speaker 12: There is no rehabilitation in this woman's future. The mental

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, doctor Angie, I knew. I knew

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Speaker 3: That in the PSI pre sentence investigation, and there's always

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Speaker 3: I knew doctor Angie was going to catch that when

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with me. It's a grace.

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing in my ear that Laura Anthias wants in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Nancy. I saw the autopsy photos. I saw

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Speaker 2: I saw it.

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Speaker 4: I saw the stab marks in her pelvis. I saw

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Speaker 4: And I will never forget it. And I ran into

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Speaker 4: And I just wanted to jump in and say that

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Speaker 4: I will never forget seeing JJ and Tyly ever and

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Speaker 3: You know, Lauren Matthias, there were many, many times, and

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Speaker 3: this exact moment right now is bringing it back. That

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Speaker 3: scene photos, couldn't show typically couldn't show autopsy photos of people,

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Speaker 3: And I would have to steal myself not to just

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Speaker 2: She was largely skeletonized.

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Speaker 3: I've seen the bucket, a photo of it, a bucket

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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that phrase? Mark Tate?

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Speaker 3: Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate

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Speaker 3: Law Group out of Savannah. Rendering rendering, that's what you

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Speaker 3: what people do in slaughterhouses to animals, and they tear

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Speaker 6: No, you're exactly right now.

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Speaker 2: We hear right right up here.

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Speaker 6: The world capital of fruitcakes is is Claxton, and they

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Speaker 6: to try to, I guess, encourage more rapid decomposition of

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00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 6: the body. So you know, folks have talked about whether

440
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 6: this person is going to be rehabilitated. That's that's clearly ludicrous.

441
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 6: That can never happen. We're talking about, is this sentence

442
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 6: harsh enough and you know, really, to me, any rational

443
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 6: person sitting back, if we're going to have the death penalty,

444
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 6: this is a case where the death penalty is absolutely

445
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 6: warranted and it seems like it screams out for it.

446
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 6: We don't have that here, and so the second best

447
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 6: thing that we can have here for this woman and

448
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 6: the husband that she she married, I guess, is just

449
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 6: absolutely I think, what the abomination of desolation where they're

450
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 6: never heard from again, never thought of again, and just

451
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 6: absolutely wallow for the rest of their existence and.

452
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: Call it mom, Laurie Valo, I saw many times during

453
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: this Mark Tate, you're a veteran trial lawyer.

454
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: She looked as if she were trying to hide.

455
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: Over behind her lead attorney, all sunk down in her seat,

456
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: and you see her hair's back right there. It got

457
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 3: more and more like curtains covering her face during this.

458
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to ask doctor Angie Arnold about that too.

459
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: She's hiding from the truth because it is raining down

460
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: on her like buckets, like a storm, and she's finally

461
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: hearing from the people that couldn't testify in.

462
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: The trial go ahead.

463
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 6: Ordinarily, this is a woman who clearly wanted attention. Thrived

464
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 6: on attention and liked it a lot, and now she's

465
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 6: learning that this kind of attention is bad for her.

466
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 6: And once this is over, I seriously think that it

467
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 6: will be a wonderful punishment for her to never be

468
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 6: heard from again and know that no one listens to

469
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 6: her ever again. I think the last thing we would

470
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 6: ever want to see for this woman is any kind

471
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 6: of more aggrandization of this cult or what this man

472
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 6: did or how she fell a victim to it. This

473
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 6: is the kind of thing, And you know, Nancy, I'm

474
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 6: not the kind of trial lawyer that usually speaks with

475
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 6: this kind of language with regard to cases. I always

476
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 6: want to talk about how the defendant is entitled to

477
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 6: constitutional protections. Well, this woman had this. I like to

478
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 6: talk about whether the death penalty serves a purpose. And

479
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 6: you know that frequently irritates you because you want to

480
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 6: fight with me about defendants' rights and that type of thing,

481
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 6: because you're a prosecutor. I'm on the other side usually,

482
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 6: so it's unusual, but this case is something that really

483
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 6: sparks hatred vitriol Anger. I think not just in the

484
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 6: general public, but in the lawyers who were defending her.

485
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 6: I think in the lawyers who were trying her. I

486
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 6: think this judge, which was probably pushed to his limit

487
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 6: in this matter, to maintain an unbiased and dis interested approach,

488
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 6: which I think he did. I disagree with keeping the

489
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 6: cameras out of the courtroom, and keeping high quality cameras out.

490
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: I think that we're past that.

491
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 6: But you know, I think it's a fascinating thing we're

492
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 6: watching here, and there's going to be another one come

493
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 6: up in Arizona before too long.

494
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and not only in America County. But we've

495
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: got Chad Dabell to worry about.

496
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 7: You know.

497
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: Back to the judge, Judge Boyce, he reminds me so

498
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: much of a judge. I tried a lot of cases

499
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: in front of Judge Robertson. He was taking copious notes

500
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: and he didn't interrupt throughout the whole thing. A few

501
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: times he did, but rarely. But I like seeing him

502
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: taking notes and actually having a question about the sentencee

503
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: on grand theft. You know that when I first heard

504
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: about the indictment to Chris McDonough, I was less than

505
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: impressed by a grand theft charge being thrown in because

506
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: I was concerned about the actual.

507
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: Murders, but they were raw.

508
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: They were right because greed, greed taking part in conspiring

509
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: to murder Tammy Dave Belt's completely innocent woman, Oh and

510
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: Molly in New York. I love the way that you

511
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: put up the photos of the victims in life, because

512
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: at trial, the jury doesn't get to see the victims

513
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: in life. If anything, they'll see a crime scene photo

514
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: or in some cases an autopsy photo. But when I

515
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: was looking at those pictures of Tyley just you know,

516
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: starting her life as a young teen, and that picture

517
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: right there, specifically brother and sister so in love with

518
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: each other, having so much fun, all their lives ahead

519
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: of them, having their own families, get togethers in happy moments.

520
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: Just look at little JJ's little snagglety tooth teeth, and

521
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: it reminds me of my son John David. Of course

522
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: before his braces, all they had to look forward to.

523
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: It's so young. And then the pictures of Tammy Dabil

524
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: working as a librarian, working with underprivileged children, coming home

525
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: from a long day, thinking she was going to get

526
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: a good night's sleep and never waking up. After her

527
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: body was dug up exhumed, we find out she was asphyxiated,

528
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: smothered dead, and for what For life insurance proceeds four

529
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: hundred something thousand dollars and continued Social Security benefits for

530
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: these two, it was all about greed, which takes me

531
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: back to that grand theft charge.

532
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: Is just overwhelming.

533
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: I mean, Chris mcdonna, you've processed, investigated, handle over three

534
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: hundred homicides. To think of money as motive, how much

535
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: more cold blooded.

536
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: Could she be?

537
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 5: You know, she is so past feeling nancy to your

538
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 5: point that you know the seven deadly sins, right, greed

539
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 5: being one of them. She literally, while preaching a spiritual

540
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 5: persona had made a deal with the devil and he

541
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 5: came collecting after he required a prerequisite of those children's lives.

542
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 5: And this is what makes her so I think, challenging

543
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 5: to understand, because there she is dancing on the beach

544
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 5: in Hawaii, whe her ukulele and the lags and all

545
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: the stuff that comes along with that, and yet withinside

546
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: of her mind and the individual with her, she knows

547
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 5: that her child, both of her children, have been one

548
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: of them at least dismembered and buried. And yet she's

549
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 5: just in this other place and it is driven by

550
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 5: this unbelievable sense of I want more. It's hard to understand.

551
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: Certainly, I want more everything, Chris, I want more men,

552
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: I want more sex, I want more power, I want

553
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: more money. I want a different lifestyle without these children.

554
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: And when what Kay Woodcock described the way that caught

555
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: my LORI Valo talked about little JJ as a quote demon.

556
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: I mean, his little face just illuminated from inside. That

557
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: was such a happy, happy child. I want you to

558
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: hear Kay speaking in our cut nine.

559
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: Listen.

560
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 13: She should have answered my calls, She should have spoken

561
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 13: to me.

562
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: I would have given.

563
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 13: Her the money. She could have let JJ entirely live

564
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 13: and had a million dollars. She could have been free

565
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 13: to be Chad's mistress and foot the bill with the

566
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 13: money from spilled blood.

567
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: JJ and Tyley could have been with us, living happy lives.

568
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 13: Instead, she took all that away, all because she is

569
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 13: a money hungry, powermongering monster. And I will only have

570
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 13: the precious memories to cling to.

571
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 14: Now. Memories are how I feel the love I so

572
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 14: desperately miss to the heinous acts of his mother, the

573
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 14: deplorable woman that chose to be his mother, the woman

574
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 14: that five years earlier made the conscious decision to stand

575
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 14: in front of a judge and the sporn to provide

576
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 14: for care, love and protect him.

577
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: You know. To Laura Matthias, who has been covering this

578
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: case since it started, I try not to say story

579
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: because these are real people and real pain and real suffering.

580
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: You know, when I'm listening to Kay Woodcock describing the

581
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: children and how precious they were, they all everybody that

582
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: spoke tried to describe how disinterested called montmoy Vale was

583
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: during the proceedings, how she acted like she was, you know,

584
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: not even there, had such contempt for what was happening,

585
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: and she did it again today. Did you notice her

586
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: She just like looking around, not paying any attention at.

587
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: All, slouching.

588
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: She was slouching in her seat, looking down, wouldn't even

589
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: make eye contact with anyone, wouldn't sit up straight, looked up,

590
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: looked down.

591
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: Look at that, look at that. Yeah, she's no different

592
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: than she was in trial.

593
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: That, by the way, that's the Lori Valdeville you saw

594
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 4: in trial for weeks. That's who we saw. That's who

595
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: the jurors saw. That's what we saw. So that is

596
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: who she is.

597
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: How would she react during trial. When the descript she

598
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: was being given of how her children were murdered, did

599
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: she sit there.

600
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: Just like that?

601
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 7: She did.

602
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: In fact, that was the day she actually fought to

603
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 4: not be in court. She didn't think it was fair

604
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: that she had to sit there that you know, maybe

605
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: she was embarrassed.

606
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

607
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: We had to do a sidebar that lasted forever because

608
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 4: she didn't want to sit through listening to her children's

609
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 4: autopsy reports. She just didn't think that she needed to

610
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: be there for that. And then when she came back out, Yes,

611
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: that is how she sat, she looked down and she sulked.

612
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: The rest of the time. There were some tears, but

613
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: you have to wonder what you work for. Were they

614
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 4: for herself because she had to sit there and couldn't

615
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 4: get away, or were they for the children she brutally murdered.

616
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: I have a feeling it wasn't that.

617
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: Could you tell us again, Lauren, what you saw of

618
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: the crime scene photos of the children.

619
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never forget it. I'll never forget.

620
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 4: And like I said, just today, I talked to a

621
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 4: juror that isn't counseling because of it. But you know,

622
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 4: there are things in your life that you'll never unsee,

623
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: and this is one of them. But I've been covering

624
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: this case for three and a half years. I had

625
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: heard what the children had gone through, I had heard

626
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 4: some insider information, and nothing could prepare me for what

627
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 4: I saw JJ bound with duct tape, and.

628
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'll bring it back.

629
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: Like the duct tape around his mouth was the most

630
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 4: upsetting to me because there's only one reason for that.

631
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: There's only one reason, and it's to make sure he

632
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 4: can't scream, you know that, to keep him quiet, that

633
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 4: he knew what was going on, that he suffered, that

634
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: they tortured him.

635
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: That's the only reason for duct tape on the mouth.

636
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 4: And I will never not see his little seven year

637
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 4: old face there and to think who did it to him,

638
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 4: the people that were supposed to protect him. You know,

639
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 4: Tylie's palabus was the most intact thing of her entire body,

640
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: and you could see what they call chop wounds and

641
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 4: stab wounds in her palace of us. And an anthropologist

642
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: had to come into it, an anthropologist that does remains

643
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 4: for ancient burial sites. That had to be the person

644
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 4: that came in and testified about what Tyleie Ryan went

645
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 4: through sixteen year old Tyley Ryan, and then they referred

646
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 4: to finding her necklace that she was wearing that day

647
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: and the chop wounds and stab wounds in her pelvis

648
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 4: that had nothing to do with dismembering her or getting

649
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 4: rid of her. Why were there what they did to

650
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 4: her will never know, But that's just a hint of

651
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: what she went through.

652
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: You know, Mark Tay, you are hearing Laura Mathias speaking.

653
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: You can find her at her Hidden True Crimes on YouTube.

654
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: Mark.

655
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: You're hearing her describe how she spoke to some gerrs.

656
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: They had to go to therapy after sitting through this

657
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: trial and learning what was done to these children, and

658
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 3: anything less than the maximum will be totally wrong.

659
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't expect the judge to do that, but I

660
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: don't know.

661
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: If you remember the case of Louise wood Work, the

662
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: opair convicted of killing baby Maddie even by shaking him.

663
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: As shaking baby said gentlemen that he was thrown to

664
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: the ground. That judge, by the way, reduced while he

665
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: couldn't change her sentence under the law, he reduced the verdict,

666
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: for instance, from it would be like reducing it from

667
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: murder one to voluntary, so he could sentence her to

668
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 3: a much lesser sentence.

669
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: It has happened.

670
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: It has happened, and this judge could do that under

671
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: the law.

672
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't think he will, but he could.

673
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 6: That would be amazing. You know the case you were

674
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 6: just speaking of. I think that there was some other

675
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 6: things that affected that, as I recall in discussing that case,

676
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 6: that affected the judge and the input that they wanted

677
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 6: to bring. And I think there was actually some notion

678
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 6: that the way the judge modified that the verdict was

679
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 6: that it allowed for there to be a possibility for parole.

680
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 6: Ain't happening here. There's no parole for this valo person. Uh.

681
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 6: The evidence that has been put on at this trial,

682
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 6: and even now the victim impacts statements of how the

683
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 6: bodies were were it was overkilled in order to I suppose,

684
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 6: and you know, the forensic pathologists can tell us to

685
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 6: speed decomposition of the bodies to make it less likely

686
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 6: they'll be found. The callousness of the text message from

687
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 6: the husband, I guess his name is Chad, who said

688
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 6: I found a raccoon running in the yard and I

689
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 6: shot him and he's buried in the pet cemetery, and

690
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 6: he was talking about a person. These types of things,

691
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 6: and Valo was part of all of that, And these

692
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 6: types of things I think go to so exacerbate the

693
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 6: level of hate in this crime, the level of fear

694
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 6: that this lady put on those around her. In fact

695
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 6: that someone says she's a serial killer, she is a

696
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 6: serial killer.

697
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

698
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 6: And I think that there's not going to be any

699
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 6: commutation of a sentence. There's not going to be any

700
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 6: lesser included offense, which is I think one of the

701
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 6: things that you may have been worried about when you

702
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 6: heard about a grand theft charge, But that exactly is

703
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 6: why they did that, because it allowed them to argue

704
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 6: that the motive was greed, because they can say, judge,

705
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 6: you know, this goes to the greed and the grand

706
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 6: theft argument, and that allows them to open the door

707
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 6: into all of the life insurance claims that were existing

708
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 6: with regard to the death of the other folks. So, no,

709
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 6: there's not going to be any commutation of a sentence.

710
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 6: There's not going to be any lesser sentence. I believe

711
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 6: that exactly what the state is asked for is exactly

712
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 6: what's wanted here. And I think. I mean, it would

713
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 6: almost be an abusive discretion to see this judge issue

714
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 6: anything less than the absolute maximum that he could.

715
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: Well absolutely, but he does have that power.

716
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: Guys, we are live in an Idaho courtroom bringing you

717
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: the latest and called mom lri Valo sentencing. The life

718
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: without possibility of parole is on the table.

719
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 2: That is what the state is demanding.

720
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: Who knows what machinations are going on behind the scenes

721
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: right now, because we hear the colman Lori Valo may

722
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: actually elocute in other words, as a fancy word to say,

723
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: speak in the courtroom. Now, she's not subjected to cross

724
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: examination at this juncture.

725
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: She can say whatever she wants to.

726
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: But I guarantee you that this case is going to

727
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: be appealed. If she shows remorse, if she admits, that

728
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: will be weighed by the appellate court.

729
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: I see a movement.

730
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: Guys, Let's keep talking with each other while we can.

731
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 3: I see what's happening in there. Okay, the defense attorney's

732
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: already got his hanky out. He is sweating bullets in

733
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: that courtroom. Okay, let's go in life. I think that

734
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 3: they're about to bring in Oh no, they're not, because

735
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 3: the judge is not on the bench. Can't do anything

736
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 3: without the judge. So they're getting Let's see if called

737
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: MoMA Laurie Valo is going to speak, right, we can

738
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: see that.

739
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: Go ahead, jump in, go ahead, jump.

740
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 5: In, Chris. It won't surprise me if she doesn't take,

741
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: you know, the opportunity to u, you know, say at

742
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 5: least something. It reminds me of Brandon Wilson, remember who

743
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 5: killed the little boy in the bathroom in southern California.

744
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 5: At his arrayment, he yelled out, you know something that

745
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 5: was just outrageous. But she's going to play it if

746
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 5: she does. If she does choose, she's going to play it.

747
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 5: She's going to play the victim, and that will tell

748
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 5: us even more about how dangerous she is in my opinion.

749
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: Now, that's interesting that you say that, Chris mcdonno, because

750
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: she apparently is still in the throws like a neelywed

751
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: with the profit Chad davel He seems to want to

752
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: distance himself from her. So I don't know that I

753
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: see her throwing him under the bus right now, or

754
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: implicating herself in any way by showing remorse. I just

755
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: don't see that coming from her, which leaves us with

756
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: what does she have to say? I guess she could

757
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: talk about to you, doctor Angie Arnold, all of her

758
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: love for the children. All she could talk about, Doctor

759
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: Angie is possibly her love for her children. I think

760
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: she didn't really know, Tammy Dave Bell.

761
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 12: You know what, I think we need to pay attention

762
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 12: to when she's talking Nancy. Let's pay attention to her

763
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 12: the tone that she uses in some of the things

764
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 12: that I've listened to that she's done. She's very childlike.

765
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 12: Let's watch for that. And I also am very interested

766
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 12: in seeing how her counsel reacts to what she says,

767
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 12: because I feel like there's no interaction between any of them,

768
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 12: and they're they're sort of starting to separate themselves from her. Also,

769
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 12: that's just how it appears to me. You know, oftentimes

770
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 12: you still see the attorney interacting with his client.

771
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: There's no interaction.

772
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 12: Today, she's she's huddled back in a in a position,

773
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 12: and they are there. They've already started to themselves from her.

774
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 12: So I think it'll also as much as what she's

775
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 12: going to say, her tone of voice, how she says it,

776
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 12: her eye contact or lack thereof, and what and how

777
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 12: they physically respond to what she's saying. Is all going

778
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 12: to be very telling for us.

779
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: Ganji Jo one camera trained on the go ahead.

780
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 6: No, I was just going to say and ask you. You

781
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: started to talk about what does she have to gain

782
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 6: by talking? And I've been trying to piece through it,

783
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 6: you know, and she's been convicted. That you are exactly right,

784
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 6: because she's got lawyers who are going to weighe through

785
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 6: every piece of evidence, admitted every objection that they made

786
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 6: a trial, the court's rulings, how the court commented on

787
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 6: those rulings, whether there should have been a mistrial, and

788
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: they're going to appeal every single thing that they can.

789
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 6: And so I think if I was her lawyer, I

790
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 6: would tell her that talking isn't a gain anything. She

791
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 6: still has a right against self incrimination and putting her talking,

792
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 6: I mean, unless you can control her vocal cords and

793
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 6: what comes out of them. I would tell her that

794
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 6: it's my advice, you know, don't talk. You can't help yourself.

795
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 6: You're convicted. And in you know times when I had

796
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 6: the attorney client privilege and no one could hear me

797
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 6: talking to her, I would tell her just shut up,

798
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 6: you know, you cannot help yourself. Silence is your friend,

799
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 6: and I'm sure the detective who's also listening to me

800
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 6: will probably agree. You know, very rarely does talking to

801
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 6: the cops actually help you.

802
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 5: If ever, so I would tell her how I love

803
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 5: where you're coming from, because I'm loving the opportunity for

804
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 5: her to get up there and say something. And what

805
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 5: I'm also thinking is in the pod where Chad is.

806
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 5: Is he watching this on TV today? Is he watching

807
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 5: this program and going, you know, holy cow, They're laying

808
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: out a bunch of stuff and I'm next. So that's

809
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 5: where I'm going. And I hope she does get up

810
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: there and start chattering away.

811
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: Hey guys, everyone's rising for the judge. Thank you to

812
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: all of our awesome guests. Let's listen to the judge.

813
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 9: Right, miss Valla, Before I impost sentence, If you choose,

814
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 9: you may address the court. This is known as the

815
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 9: right of elocution, which permits you to make a statement

816
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 9: on your own, behalf or present any information and mitigation

817
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 9: of the punishment for the crimes you've committed. And let

818
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 9: me inquire at this time do you wish to address

819
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 9: this court? All right, very well, you may make your statement.

820
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 15: I would like to start by quoting John from the

821
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 15: New Testament in the Bible. In John chapter eight, verse seven,

822
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 15: Jesus says, he that is without sin among you, let

823
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 15: him cast first, cast a stone at her. Then in

824
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 15: verse fifteen, Jesus says, ye, judge after the flesh. I

825
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 15: judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment

826
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 15: is true. Jesus knows me, and Jesus understands me. I

827
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 15: mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy.

828
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 15: Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus

829
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 15: Christ knows that no one was murdered in this case.

830
00:49:52,520 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 15: Accidental deaths happen, suicides happen, Fatal side effects from medications happened.

831
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 15: I have a different perspective in life because in two

832
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 15: thousand and two, when I was pregnant with Tylie, I

833
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 15: died in the hospital while in labor with her. They

834
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 15: tried to stop my labor. They put me on the

835
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 15: table and they put something in my ivy and I

836
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 15: felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing

837
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 15: near my pregnant body watching the doctors try to revive me,

838
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 15: which took them a few minutes. In that time, my

839
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 15: sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to

840
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 15: hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as

841
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 15: tangible as a physical body. Because I knew I was

842
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 15: in spirit and she was in spirit. She said she

843
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 15: needed to show me some things and we went to Heaven.

844
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 15: I later returned to my body. Because of this experience,

845
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 15: I had a says to heaven and the spirit world.

846
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 15: Since then, I have had many communications from people now

847
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 15: living in heaven, including my children, Tylie Ashland and Joshua Jackson,

848
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 15: my sisters Stacy and Lollie, my aunts and my uncles,

849
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 15: and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ,

850
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 15: the Savior of this world, and our heavenly parents. I've

851
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 15: had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me

852
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 15: and even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications,

853
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 15: I know for a fact that my children are happy

854
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 15: and busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications

855
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 15: with my friend Tammy Dabell, I know that she is

856
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 15: also very happy and extremely busy. I have always more

857
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 15: the loss of my loved ones, and I have lost

858
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 15: many in this mortal world. However, I know that more

859
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 15: than most people I know where they are now and

860
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 15: what they're doing. I know how wonderful Heaven is, and

861
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 15: I'm homesick for it every single day. I know we

862
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 15: all lived in Heaven before we were born on Earth,

863
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 15: and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm.

864
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 15: We chose to come to Earth as mortals. Heaven is

865
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 15: more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not

866
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 15: fear death, but I look forward to it. I did

867
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 15: not want to return to my body when I was

868
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 15: out of it, even though my son, Colby, who I

869
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 15: adored more than anything, was only six years old at

870
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 15: the time, and I was about to give birth to

871
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 15: this new baby girl that I wanted so badly.

872
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: I was a young mother.

873
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 15: And you would think I wouldn't want to leave my children,

874
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 15: But as I stood in Heaven, I did not.

875
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 2: Want to go back.

876
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 15: I thought they would be fine without me because I

877
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 15: was peaceful and I was happy, and I was home.

878
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 15: But then I was told by Jesus that I needed

879
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 15: to go back and complete things that I had covenanted

880
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 15: or promised to do before I was born. This caused

881
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 15: me a lot of distress because I knew heaven was

882
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 15: my real home. And I only wanted to be there.

883
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 15: I was free from pain, emotional and physical. But then

884
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 15: I was shown how I would help my children and

885
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 15: others in the future, so ultimately I did agree to

886
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 15: go back to my body. Tie has visited me. She

887
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 15: is happy and very busy. Tilee is free now from

888
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 15: all the pains of her life. Tylie suffered horrible physical

889
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 15: pain her whole life. I sat with Tylie in the

890
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 15: hospital year after year after year, while she screamed in pain,

891
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 15: when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the

892
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 15: pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried,

893
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 15: and I held back her hair while she threw up.

894
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 15: And I am the only person on this earth who

895
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 15: knows how much Tylie suffered in her life. She had

896
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 15: pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body

897
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 15: did not work right. And I don't know if that

898
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 15: was from complications for me dying while she was being born,

899
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 15: or something else. But she had a very difficult life.

900
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 15: She was sexually abused by her own biological father since

901
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 15: she was three years old, and she was forced by

902
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 15: family court to go visit him for ten years against

903
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 15: her will. I fought for her in court. I protected her.

904
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 15: I tried to protect her with my whole life. I

905
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,479
Speaker 15: tried to protect her. I worried about her every single day.

906
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 15: Tyler had to get her ged because she couldn't go

907
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 15: to school every day, because she never felt good, she

908
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 15: felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tyler, like myself, tries

909
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 15: to put on a good front, tries to be a

910
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 15: happy person, tries to have hope in life, tries to

911
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 15: know that she's here for a purpose and that she

912
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 15: has an eternal purpose to be on this earth. But

913
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 15: I never stopped worrying about her. One of the times

914
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 15: that Tyler came to me as a spirit after she died,

915
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 15: she said, she commanded me and she said to me, stop.

916
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: Worrying, Mom. We are fine.

917
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 15: She knows how I worried and how I miss her.

918
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 15: The first time JJ visited me after he passed away,

919
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 15: he put his arm around me and he said to me,

920
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 15: you didn't do anything wrong. Mom. I love you, and

921
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 15: I know you loved me every minute of my life.

922
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: JJ Joshua Jackson.

923
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 15: Was an adult spirit and he was very very tall

924
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 15: when you put his arm around me. He is busy,

925
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 15: he is engaged. He has jobs that he does. There

926
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 15: and he is happy where he is. His life was short,

927
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 15: but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was a wonderful person

928
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 15: and touched the lives of everyone, and I adored him

929
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 15: every minute of his life. My eternal friend Tammy Dabell

930
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 15: has visited me on several occasions. She came to bring

931
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 15: me peace and comfort, and I know that she is

932
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 15: extremely busy helping her family, especially her children and grandchildren.

933
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 15: And I have a great love for Tammy. My beautiful children, Kylie,

934
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 15: Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson rest safely this day in the

935
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 15: arms of Jesus. My wonderful friend, Tammy da Bell rests

936
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 15: safely this day in the arms of Jesus.

937
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: And I look forward to the day when.

938
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 15: We are all reunited, and I too will rest with

939
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 15: them in the arms of my Jesus.

940
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 9: All I, Miss Fallow, thank you for your comments to

941
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 9: the court. Let me ask you this time, Miss Vallo,

942
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 9: are you fully satisfied with the representation you've received from

943
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 9: your attorneys throughout this case? Thank you.

944
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: That ends the defense presentation, and now come to the sentencing.

945
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: All right, the court, will you just heard raiding her state?

946
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 9: When I look at what the appropriate sentences should be

947
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 9: for the conspiracy charges. At first, I wondered if they

948
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 9: should be as long of a term or serious as

949
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 9: the substantive murder charges. However, what I've concluded is that

950
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 9: these conspiracy convictions merit the same grave punishment for several reasons. First,

951
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 9: the conspiracies in which you engaged in have had far

952
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 9: reaching impacts on many people besides the deceased victims. And

953
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 9: with what the court's heard, I am convinced that the

954
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 9: conspiracy charges also merit the same serious sentence. So on

955
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 9: count one, the conspiracy to commit first degree murder of

956
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 9: Tyler Ryan and grand theft by deception, you're sentenced to

957
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 9: the custody of the State Board of Corrections to serve

958
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 9: the maximum allowed, sentenced to fixed determinate term of life

959
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 9: imprisonment with no possibilitbility of parole. In count three, the

960
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 9: conspiracy to commit first degree murder of Joshua Jackson Vaalow

961
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 9: and grand theft by deception, your sentenced to the custody

962
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 9: of the State Board of Corrections to serve the maximum allowed,

963
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 9: sentenced a fixed determinant term of life imprisonment with no

964
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 9: possibility of parole. And on count five, the conspiracy to

965
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 9: commit the first degree murder of Tamra Tammy Dabel. Your

966
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 9: sentenced to the custody of the State Board of Corrections

967
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 9: to serve the maximum allowed sentence, a fixed determinate term

968
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 9: of life imprisonment with no possibility of parole. Finally, the

969
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 9: court will address Count seven, which is the charge of

970
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 9: grand theft. On that charge, court is going to sentence

971
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 9: you to a fixed determinate term of five years of prison,

972
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 9: followed by an indeterminate term of five years of prison

973
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 9: for a total tenure term of imprisonment on the grand theft. Then,

974
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 9: running counts concurrently would not serve the interests of justice

975
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 9: because those crimes all need to be taken into account

976
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 9: separately and distinctly and individually, and you need to be

977
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 9: held accountable separately for each of the three murders. So

978
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 9: on those counts, the court will run consecutively the count

979
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 9: two murder of Tylee Ryan consecutive to count four, the

980
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 9: murder of Joshua Jackson Valo, and count five will run

981
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 9: consecutive to count two and four the conspiracy to commit

982
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 9: first degree murder of Tamra Tammy Dabell.

983
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: And we have a sentence there will be three consecutive

984
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: life without the possibility of parole for coltmom Laurie Valo

985
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: and the murders of her children JJ and Tylely, and

986
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 3: the life of her now husband, the prophet Chad dabel.

987
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 3: He based that reasoning on the fact that these were

988
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 3: three separate murders at three separate times with three separate victims,

989
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 3: as opposed to one fell swoop of a murder where

990
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: three victims were killed. Interestingly, Lorie Valo spoke out and

991
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 3: allocated in court, which means she spoke.

992
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: Before the judge.

993
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: There was no right to examine her, and she actually

994
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: said in court quote, I'm mourn with.

995
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: All of you the victims.

996
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: She interestingly, and this may give us a peek into

997
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: what Chad Dabeil is going to claim in court that

998
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 3: there were accidental deaths, suicides, accidental death because of medications.

999
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: Is that what she's telling herself what happened to her children?

1000
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 3: The court pointed out that she was on a beach

1001
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 3: in Hawaiian dancing ahula dance with her new husband, knowing

1002
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: full well people were looking for her children who were

1003
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: found dismembered and murdered on our new husband's property. We

1004
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 3: learned that she would not cooperate with a precedenced investigation

1005
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 3: that could have offered some mitigation. But most strikingly in

1006
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 3: my mind, cole Mom Laurie Valo described speaking to her

1007
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: children now, and she stressed to the court that the

1008
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 3: children JJ and Tyley are quote happy and busy in heaven.

1009
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: How dare she?

1010
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 3: How dare she say her murdered children are happy and

1011
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 3: busy in heaven as justification to lower or lessen her

1012
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: sentence in court?

1013
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: But oh yes she did.

1014
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 3: The judge was having none of it. Three life without

1015
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: parole to run consecutively.

1016
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: Court adjourned, goodbye friend,