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Speaker 1: Good morning, swimmerl and welcome to the Nodungks podcast on

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Speaker 1: the Athletic Network. It's Monday, May eleventh, and we're back

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Speaker 1: to break down the latest two episodes of the hit

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Speaker 1: documentary series The Last Dance. A very happy blated Mother's

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Speaker 1: Day to all you moms out there, and a very

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Speaker 1: happy blated Wedgie Day to everyone. Jay Skeets and joining

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Speaker 2: We got Tasmellus, Way to Go, Craig, We got Rip,

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Speaker 2: Craig Sager.

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Speaker 1: We got the Bearded One, Tray Kirby Hey he yoo,

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Speaker 1: the International Man of Mystery, taking it to the max

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Speaker 1: le Ellis friends y Last, but not least, making the

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Speaker 2: Hello, there he is, and here we are.

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Speaker 1: Last night's two episodes covered a whole lot. We got

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Speaker 1: into the murder of Jordan's father, MJ's first retirement from

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Speaker 1: the NBA playing minor league baseball, and then his comeback

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Speaker 1: So lots to break down. We'll go episode by episode again.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with episode seven. We've been doing that here

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Speaker 1: on our last dance recaps. We did start episode seven,

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Speaker 1: you know, with a murder of MG's father, James Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Was there anything that they shared in this doc Trey

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Speaker 1: that you didn't know about that incident or had forgotten

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Speaker 1: That's a good question.

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Speaker 3: I had forgotten about the lead up with James Jordan

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Speaker 3: going missing for basically three weeks.

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Speaker 3: I remembered seeing that Linda Cohnes Sports Center report that

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Speaker 3: Center every night and every morning, same show doesn't make

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Speaker 2: I just think if it was today, I wonder about

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Speaker 2: But those wasn't just conspiracy theories, though it was in

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, because like you said, tass like you want,

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Speaker 1: So why why is three enough? I mean, you're right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I had totally forgotten that he retired essentially

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had you brought up the retirement there, Trey

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Speaker 3: He says he's going to retire, but he's not old,

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Speaker 2: But because of the labor situation, he wasn't going to

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Speaker 2: what did you think about basketball basketball player has to

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Speaker 2: he didn't really get at a lot. Tim Grover didn't

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Speaker 2: mj said there's a lot of chest and shoulders in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was I was enjoying that part of it.

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Speaker 4: But also, you know, Michael Jordan moved around the basketball

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Speaker 4: But in his baseball gear he looked a little gangly

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Speaker 4: at times. I thought, yeah, particularly you know when he

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Speaker 4: of times, it's like, oh, yeah, he doesn't look like

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Speaker 4: you know. I mean again, I didn't actually know that

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Speaker 4: batting that hit streak, I thought that was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 4: I don't care sort of what level it isn't mean

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Speaker 4: to be able to hit that consecutor thirteen in a row,

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Speaker 4: thirteen games in a row, I believe was. I thought

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Speaker 4: that was good. So he was clearly you know, he

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Speaker 4: but yeah, just out in the field, it just, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's funny seeing it, because baseball there's not many six

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Speaker 3: Well, they definitely don't play outfield, but for their six

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Speaker 3: foot six, if you're six six. It's like comparing to

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Speaker 3: the White Sox. You're Frank Thomas and you're the biggest

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Speaker 3: guy on the field and you're smashing teeters. Michael Jordan's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was. Rich Sexton was a big guy.

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Speaker 1: That, Great, Sure, WELL i Just Randy johnson if you.

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Speaker 4: Want, Well, well the REASON i didn't Choose Randy johnson

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Speaker 4: is Because Richie sexton was a decent batter and he

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Speaker 4: kind of looked comfortable at the plate there when he

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Speaker 4: used to. Swing But, Jordan jordan just sort, of you,

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Speaker 2: Mean and, yeah he just totally that's what everybody. Says,

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Speaker 2: no he had a very he had a Very he

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Speaker 2: had a very quiet. Bat he had a very quiet,

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Speaker 2: stance no movement. Whatsoever was surprised by that elbow, down

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Speaker 2: everything sort of, compact not moving, much and then exploding

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Speaker 2: there is a clip going around Of Red sox From

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Speaker 2: Red Sox Cotch Terry francona who was his his manager

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Speaker 2: there with The scorpions and fall ball AND i guess

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Speaker 2: And Terry francona is the third base coach at the

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Speaker 2: time because they're doing a live. Hit they're Interviewing Terry

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Speaker 2: francona AS mj goes to the plate AND mj rips

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Speaker 2: a triple slides in head first to third. Base great.

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Speaker 2: Clip great to SEE mj circle the, bags and you,

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Speaker 2: KNOW i kind of disagree that he didn't get up

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Speaker 4: Hit but from the stop, though it's like it's like

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Speaker 1: Made he's got to unfold himself out of the. Box,

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Speaker 4: Once he gets, going he's. Fine.

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Speaker 3: YEAH i love seeing that clip Of jordan basically relearning,

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Speaker 1: GYM i remember thinking that was the weirdest.

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Speaker 3: Thing at the, time he's like wearing you, KNOW i

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Speaker 3: of batching them all. OVER i couldn't believe, though that

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Speaker 3: they didn't include the clip Of jordan playing In Wrigley.

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Speaker 3: Field they played a Cub socks exhibition game before there

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Speaker 3: Was Inner league. Play jordan rips a double down the

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Speaker 3: line that ties the, game And Harry, carey the Famous cubs,

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Speaker 3: announcer is going crazy For Michael, jordan just because everybody's

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Speaker 3: so excited that he's playing baseball In. Chicago that was

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Speaker 3: i was surprised it didn't sneak in. There.

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Speaker 1: YEAH i think it's been funny to watch the debate

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Speaker 1: two h two and driving in fifty runs like in

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Speaker 1: double a ball was impressive or. Not like it's so

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Speaker 1: like some people are like it's not that, good like

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Speaker 3: Man, well it's also very funny that back in the

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Speaker 3: Sports illustrated. Again but now we're, like, hey two hundred

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Speaker 2: Ball, yeah well, yeah reading on the, athletic all the

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Speaker 2: basically saying like he didn't have, it he wasn't a,

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Speaker 2: years he could have been a thirty four year old

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Speaker 2: rookie In Major LEAGUE baseballa, YEAH i THINK i.

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Speaker 4: Still have a ten year career in the.

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Speaker 1: Mages that, well, yeah, because like you're seeing again last,

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Speaker 1: up That Tim tebow h, hit LIKE i don't, know

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Speaker 1: i'm If i'm, correct Like jordan legit just dropped into

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Speaker 1: it after not playing for fourteen. Years so, Look i'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it was incredible or. Not i'm doubtful he

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Speaker 1: would have been a true M mlb player picking it

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Speaker 1: Know i'm not SURE i believe that. Good, now would

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Speaker 1: he have been put on a roster like you were

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Speaker 1: saying task rebe surprised that he wasn't for a sort

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Speaker 1: of a marketing ploy and all. That, Yeah i'm sure

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Speaker 1: that would have, Happened but that's different than actually being

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Speaker 1: i don't think he could have having again not played

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Speaker 3: Sure for, Sure i'd love to compare his statistics To

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Speaker 3: Garth brooks time in spring training with The San Diego.

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Speaker 3: Padres garth has more of a baseball body THAN njd,

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Speaker 2: Him, well you got to see this head first slide

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Speaker 2: First slidehead, first you're doing a slip and. Slide just

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Speaker 2: go For but in this, Situation Terry francona really didn't

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Speaker 2: was not anywhere. Close but you can Hear Terry francona

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00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: because he's Micd, Up get, Down get, DOWN. Mj no

431
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 2: problem laying out like He's Dennis rumm and going for

432
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: a loose ball and sliding into third. Base NOW mj

433
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 2: wasn't very aware of where the ball was Because terry

434
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: franco is like, watchball, watchball watch. Ball because it was,

435
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 2: loose he could have got up and run home to.

436
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: Homeplay was just ready to call time and a. Cigar,

437
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: yeah take the dirt out of the belt and just be,

438
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: proud just brag his ass off that he just hit a,

439
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: triple which, is you, know.

440
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 1: Not easy to. Do, sure sure to find the gap

441
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 1: us your, SPEED i will, say watching all the baseball,

442
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: HIGHLIGHTS i started thinking about. It a little. Bit we

443
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 1: always have this debate or we've you, know we've been

444
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: asked about it before on a beach, step in podcasts

445
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 1: or even way back in the. Day i'm sure we've

446
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: probably been asked a million times of like what sporting

447
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: event do you wish you were at to? See, right you,

448
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: know and we're of course usually PICKING nba, Event so you,

449
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: KNOW mj scoring fifty five in the garden or scoring

450
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: sixty three or wheel, chamber but whatever we, say it'd

451
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: be pretty cool to say you were in attendance When

452
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: jordan hit his first home. Run, yeah, yeah it be

453
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: a pretty, badass like cool little sporting event to be. At,

454
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: obviously not like a thirty thousand seat stadium or anything like.

455
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: That we're talking a small stadium and you, know not

456
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 1: that many people. There, yeah you got people peering under the.

457
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,239
Speaker 1: FENCE i like that shot that they showed. Us but

458
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: that'd be pretty. Cool AND i think he only hit

459
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: was it? THREE i think he hit three home runs

460
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: and maybe one of those was an inside the. PARK

461
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: i could be, wrong but that'd be a pretty cool

462
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: sporting event to. Pick CEE mj go.

463
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: Yard, yeah it'd be, awesome or like it would be

464
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: great to be the. Pitcher wo'd be, like, YEAH i

465
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 3: gave up a home run To Michael, jordan you'd probably

466
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: feel good about.

467
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: That, yeah that's funny you say. THAT i was thinking that,

468
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: too because he has this thirteen game hit streak and we're, told,

469
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: like you, know pretty damn good with the. Fastball you,

470
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 1: know you could catch up to, it you could see

471
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: it all, Right and then they start, like, well let's

472
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: just throw a breaking. Ball can't hit these at. ALL

473
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: i was, like IF i was a pitcher In DOUBLE,

474
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: A i'm, LIKE i don't know what's. COOL i guess

475
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: what's cooler striking out mj or having him hit like

476
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: a home run off. Me SO i was like, thinking,

477
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: like WOULD i actually just not listen to my coach

478
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: and just throw some fastballs to see if you can

479
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: go yard?

480
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 4: AGAIN i don't, know Like Mitch, Williams uh, YEAH i

481
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 4: think you'd want to strike him out and then told

482
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: crash AND i send him back to the. Box you, Know,

483
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 4: yeah they saying the basketball, COURT, mk get out of.

484
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: Here they beg, It michael.

485
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: Beg send it back to the dugout the. Box ah'd be, Weird,

486
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: hey go back to the.

487
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: Box i'm in the.

488
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: BOX i just.

489
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 4: Struck, out See. Michael Maybe michael doesn't know the vernacular,

490
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 4: ANYWAY i don't even know what this guy is talking.

491
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: About you gotta play the mind game with.

492
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: It oh that that you just reminded me of SOMETHING

493
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: i was thinking watching At. Leete we're told AND i believe.

494
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: IT i mean like THAT mj was a huge baseball, fan,

495
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: right big part because of his father and their love

496
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: of the. Sport, trey maybe you could answer this better

497
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: than anybody. Else WAS mj like was he a WAS

498
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: i don't. Know was he A cubs? Fan was he

499
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: A White sox? Fan was he another teams?

500
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: Fan?

501
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: Like did he ever talk about like an allegiance to

502
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: a team in THE? Mlb like you, know like because

503
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: we've Seen lebron show up or, whatever you, know Wearing

504
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: yankees caps and stuff. LIKE i don't ever Remember jordan

505
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: talking about his love for. BASEBALL i guess before he played.

506
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: BASEBALL i remember in The Come fly With me, video

507
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: he definitely talks about baseball being his first. Love SO

508
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: i understood That jordan going back to play. BASEBALL i

509
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: think he was just generally associated with The socks Because

510
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: Jerry reinstorf owned both. TEAMS i don't know if he

511
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: had an affinity for. ONE i don't remember, him you,

512
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: know like showing up to. Games but then, again The

513
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: cubs And socks were both not great During jordan's run

514
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 3: in the nineties until it was a little bit too.

515
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: Late BUT i don't anticipate him showing up the Support

516
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: Sammy sosa who went from The socks to The, cubs you.

517
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: Know but, yeah for, me he will always be A socks,

518
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 3: guy just because just because of The rhinesdorf.

519
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: Connection, yeah, yeah, NO i just, like, yeah like you,

520
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: SAID i don't remember him showing up To World series

521
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: games unless he was thrown out the first, PITCH i,

522
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: guess or OR i guess that was THE. Alcs, YEAH

523
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: i just don't remember, him like that's my, team you.

524
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: Know, well, yeah basketball season starting as, well, Right like

525
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: that's exactly when the season is ramping, up especially in the.

526
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: Nineties. Yeah. True another big part of episode seven is

527
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: we get a lot Of jordan's teammates discussing, him you,

528
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: know and how hard he was in, Practice and we

529
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: had a lot of great little stories and quotes and

530
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: great footage. Too you. Know we circle back To Scott

531
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: burrell being MJ's whipping. Boy there's a good chunk of.

532
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: That we Get Judd bushler saying we were his teammates

533
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: and we were afraid of. Him we Get Will purdue

534
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: straight up calling him an. ASSHOLE i, Mean Will purdue

535
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: is not holding back how he feels ABOUT. MG i

536
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: thought a couple of clips we've seen of, him.

537
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: And he's a Current CHICAGO tv.

538
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: Personality he's telling it like it, is so, LOOK i

539
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: don't think any of this is, surprising but the footage

540
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: is definitely, like you, know, WOW mg calling everybody a

541
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: whole and getting on everybody out there and. Practice what

542
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: do you think of, That? Lily and look behind the,

543
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: Scenes Scott.

544
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 4: Burrell's becoming quite an interesting character in this whole. Documentary you,

545
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: know he keeps on popping, up and it starts off

546
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 4: pretty bad for him Because michael wouldn't give him a,

547
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: Hug but Then michael sort of shows some respect to

548
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 4: him at least in this in, this, uh these last two,

549
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 4: episodes because he's trying to work. Him he wants him

550
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 4: to become a better, player and he sort of goes

551
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 4: hard on him like, that but he also kind of you,

552
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 4: know belittles him at the same. Time so it's tough

553
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 4: to figure. Out but you, Know Scott burrell at least you,

554
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: know he keeps. On he's a recurring. Character it's Like

555
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: putty maybe In. Seinfeld you, know he just that it keeps.

556
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 4: On he just keeps on popping up. There but again

557
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 4: it's it's not you, know this IS i think What

558
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 4: jordan was referred into before we even saw the first

559
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: episodes that people are not going to think he's a

560
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 4: nice guy because of the way that he treats his.

561
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: Teammates but we also see why he is like that

562
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: because he wants them to be at the. Top he

563
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: talked about you, Know Luke longley And Steve kerr sort

564
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: of acting as though they were champions when they didn't

565
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: play on those first three championship, teams and so he

566
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 4: wants them to be, like, hey you had nothing to

567
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: do with. THAT i want you guys to be the

568
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: best you can be for this team and for the current.

569
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: Situation so you, know he's just a sort of, maniacal

570
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: a maniacal you, know work like workhorse, himself and he

571
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 4: wants and expects everyone to be as passionate and has

572
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 4: committed to practice and to the game as he, is

573
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: and his way of sort of showing that comes off

574
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: that he's a bit of a. Prick but, again that

575
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: is what his reputation was like even at the, time

576
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: because you, know when you're at his, level he expects

577
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: everybody else to at least strive to be on the

578
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 4: same plane as.

579
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: Him happy to hear you calling Him Scott barrell the

580
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: entire time, league because it seemed Like Michael jordan anytime

581
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: he addressed In Scott barrell was calling Him Scott.

582
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Barrell well that was pretty.

583
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: Funny But Scott, barell he seems like a super chill.

584
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: Guy he's, like, whatever, MAN i got drafted to play

585
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: in THE, NLBS i was great in, College i'm AN nba,

586
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: champion And Michael jordan just yelled at me for an entire.

587
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: Year it was.

588
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: Awesome the guy seemed super happy and that probably just

589
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: DROVE mj. CRAZY i love how they opened that scene

590
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: and he's just making noises At.

591
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Scottparel, whoo who think about changing my catch? Phrase, ACTUALLY

592
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: i think that's the conspiracy theory THAT i want to

593
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: start get. Going, really is THAT mj Hated Scott barel

594
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: Because scotparell was a better baseball. Player idn't really burned

595
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: deep inside OF. Mg he was just a Natural. Scopparrell

596
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: i'm surprised they didn't make a bigger deal Of scottparell

597
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: scoring twenty three points right In game three versus The.

598
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: NETS i mean it was it was slipped in. There

599
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: BUT i actually thought these last couple of, episodes all

600
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: This scott hate was leading to like, this like C

601
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: mj Made Scott, barrell he made that come out In

602
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: game three Versus, nets by the, way completely Pointless game

603
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: three Versus. As it doesn't really matter that scottparrella for

604
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: twenty three and that in my, opinion AND i THINK

605
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: mj went for way more, anyway but they did. It

606
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: that actually shocked me that they didn't make it like

607
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: a bigger deal That burrell had his moment and it

608
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: was all because OF. Mj, instead it was just, Like,

609
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: Nope Scott barel's a really, cool nice. Guy you couldn't

610
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: really phase. HIM i love that.

611
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: Part, YEAH i don't know if it's BECAUSE mj sort

612
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: of softened the blow by saying, beforehand people are gonna

613
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: Think i'm an asshole after watching this. Documentary BUT i

614
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: didn't think he was that much of an. Asshole and

615
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: maybe it's just because his reputation is always preceded. Him

616
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: it's it's always been. There but watching this, stuff, like,

617
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: yeah he was On Scott, barrel but you, know he

618
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: didn't slap anybody like He's Charles oakley Slapping Scottie. Pippen

619
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: there wasn't he. WAS i THINK i think there was

620
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: a lot more that did happen behind the scenes that

621
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: we didn't. Get we didn't, see but you know that

622
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: that stuff was definitely. FUN i love The Steve kurr

623
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: stuff that to hear that story of you, know we

624
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: all know that, story but to HEAR mj And Steve

625
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: kerr talk about how he game, First steve pushed him

626
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: in the chest AND mj is not having, that and

627
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: you know he did punch him and they have to be,

628
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: separated AND mj apologized and said that wasn't, him or

629
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: that you know that was beneath, HIM i should, say

630
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: And Steve currner's respect And Steve kerr looking at the

631
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: his games, played he didn't miss a game when he

632
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: was with The Shuggle. Bulls oh, no he only played

633
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: for four to four of his, Seasons so respect to.

634
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: Him i'm SURE mj respected That Steve kerr showed up

635
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: every day and got out there for four straight. Seasons

636
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: he was an eighty two. Man and AND i don't,

637
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: know do you guys think he was a, big big

638
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: Asshole after watching some of that, FOOTAGE i didn't think it, Really.

639
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: YES i mean, YEAH i, mean but you're, right none

640
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: of this is, surprising this. PART i, mean if, anything

641
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: we Knew Michael jordan uses everything as motivation and he

642
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: wants everyone to play like, him and his leadership quality

643
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: or his leadership style is to be a, tyrant as

644
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: he even, SAYS i, mean LIKE i actually, thought you,

645
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: KNOW i, mean everybody's talking about, it the super emotional

646
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: part at the end of episode, seven OR mj to,

647
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: me you, know playing you, know armchair. Psychologist here is

648
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: a little he's a little torn right when he's getting

649
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: worked up About, hey this is HOW i did. IT

650
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: i just wanted you to be a, winner and this

651
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: is how winners do, it and this is HOW i did.

652
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: It and you had to come with me and be

653
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: on my level and be a soldier there with, me

654
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: but at the same time struggling a little bit maybe With,

655
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: GOD i was a prick and some of these, guys my, Teammates,

656
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: yeah they didn't like. Me and on one, HAND i

657
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: don't give a damn Because I'M mj and That's i'm

658
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: wired that. Way But i'm sure a little bit that

659
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: can maybe hurt a little bit. TOO i don't you

660
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: know WHAT i? Mean like that is WHEN i saw

661
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the tiniest bit of struggle between his leadership style of

662
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: being an asshole and, yeah it, worked but prices were.

663
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: Paid h, Right, yeah, no that's that's.

664
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: FAIR i think you can you can be armchair psychologist

665
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: with that. Analysis, totally.

666
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: TOTALLY i, mean it was a wicked scene where he's,

667
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: LIKE i, mean he calls break, right he's he's about

668
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: to he's tearing, up and he's again he's getting very,

669
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: emotionable emotional about maybe how this is going to be,

670
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: PERCEIVED i, guess and what maybe some of his teammates

671
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: have been, saying and how he went about, things and

672
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: would he have done it? Differently probably, not but maybe

673
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: he would. HAVE i don't. Know it's like one of

674
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: those things you look back after it all it's all

675
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: said and, done and, yeah we got a bunch of

676
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: championships so. Awesome MAYBE i was a little too, Hard

677
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: MAYBE i. WASN'T i love. That that was my favors.

678
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: Scene it's the, question do you how much more do

679
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: you valid value the championships than will produe calling you

680
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: an asshole for everybody he's, watching and For, jordan you,

681
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: know apparently he still cares a little bit that somebody

682
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: would say he's an, asshole but not as much as

683
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: he cares that he's got six rings on his.

684
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: Finger, yeah, YEAH i think that's. RIGHT a big other

685
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: thing from episode seven was The bulls first season WITHOUT.

686
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: MG i thought this was really, fun you, know ninety

687
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: three to ninety four, specifically and THEN mg comes back

688
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: the next year In. March but how about that very

689
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: solid play we saw? Them yeahs excited about that?

690
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: ONE i? DID i. Did, YEAH i wasn't able to

691
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: click that one in real, time But i'm working on

692
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: it right.

693
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: Now.

694
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, no that was good and it was it was

695
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: interesting seeing The, bulls like even though they were still

696
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 4: defending champs and they were they were obviously looking to

697
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: try to win. Again they certainly it came off that

698
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 4: they were having fun and that almost that there was

699
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: a weight off their, shoulders even though they were missing

700
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: their best. Player BUT i think, again because of the

701
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: way That jordan sort of drove, everybody they sort of

702
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: enjoyed not having him around in that. Respect you, know

703
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: they were still, competitive they still thought they could go

704
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: on and maybe win the, championship but they just seemed

705
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: to be there was almost some relief that he wasn't,

706
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 4: there you, Know And Scotty, PIPPEN i think really enjoyed

707
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: the fact that he could now prove to people that

708
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 4: he was better than Just jordan's. SIDEKICK i think that's

709
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: what he wanted to show and, say, hey, Listen i'm

710
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 4: a great, player and you KNOW i can lead a.

711
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: Team of, course there's a very big incident there With

712
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 4: Tony kuk coach coming, up but you, know that was

713
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: a sort of chance for those players to prove that

714
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: they were more than Just Michael jordan's, teammates that they

715
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 4: were good, players and they were still a team that

716
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 4: was very competitive and very.

717
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: Good, yeah they won fifty seven games right that first

718
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: year with OUT mg And pipen finished third in THE

719
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: mvp voting and, yeah which is. Wild then when you

720
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: like you said That game three versus the next less

721
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: than two seconds to, go And pippen refuses to go

722
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: in the, game AND i could remember this so. Perfectly

723
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: this is definitely a memory that has stuck with me this,

724
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: game watching, it and that the blowback from. THAT i

725
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: loved that that little sh there Where bill Cart, right

726
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: who we later, learn of, course has a very tearful

727
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: speech in the locker room After Ku coach hits the game.

728
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: Winner but there's a shot of Cart right like he

729
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: looks to be like he's talking To pippin, right like he's,

730
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: ye he's barking at, him or he's, saying what are you?

731
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: Doing what do you mean you're not going back? In

732
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: oh my, god what a powerful little shot that. Is

733
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: and then it's so, incredible like it's such like If

734
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Kuck coach doesn't hit the, shot then it's like so. Different,

735
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: Right it's Like pippin is maybe validated a little, bit, like,

736
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: yeah give me the damn. Ball I'm i'm THE mvp

737
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: leader of this. Team but Instead coach hits. It AND

738
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: i love that they showed us and Cou coach, mentioned you, Know,

739
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: phil he called this play for me BECAUSE i had

740
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: hit like three or four game winners in the regular,

741
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: season and we'll get that quick montage of him hitting

742
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: big shots and why not go to? Me, Man oh my,

743
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: GOD i loved everything about, this this, uh this little

744
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: scene of NO mj there and The bulls trying to

745
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: be good and trying to prove that they're still an awesome.

746
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Team but then this weird Little pippen, thing AND i

747
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: can't Believe pippen says that he wouldn't change. It, YES

748
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: i was shocked to. Me you. Know he, SAYS i

749
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: wish it never, happened but IF i had a chance

750
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: to do it over, AGAIN i probably wouldn't change, it

751
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: which is pretty shocking to.

752
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: Me.

753
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: Agreed AND mj playing playing armchair quarterback as, well where

754
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: he was asked and he was watching it and he

755
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 2: had to comment and, Said Scotty pippen made a. Mistake

756
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: but Wouldn't Michael jordan do something really. SIMILAR i don't

757
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: know if he would sit, out but he would be

758
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: very pissed. OFF i KNOW mj is Not Scottie, pippen

759
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: But Scotty pippen getting his first shot at his first game.

760
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: Winner here we, are second round of the. Playoffs this

761
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: is a desperate time here for, them they have to

762
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: get a. SHOT i can understand Why scotty would be pissed.

763
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: OFF i guess the history of him and The bulls

764
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: has plays a part in this. Situation BUT i can

765
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: understand why why he was.

766
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: Angry, yeah but to not go out, there that's. Yeah,

767
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: yeah to be, like, Okay i'm. Pissed yes. FAIR i,

768
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: Mean i'm sure this has happened hundreds of times IN nba.

769
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: Games so what you're not giving me the? Ball What

770
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: i'm standing over, Here i'm inbounding. It but man then

771
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: to not in a playoff game against your Rival, knicks

772
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: when there's NO mj and you are our, leader to

773
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: be like, no he's, LIKE i, mean he's putting himself

774
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: above the, team.

775
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: RIGHT i remember thinking he might not ever play for

776
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: the balls again after that, happened because you, know the

777
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: contract complaints and stuff had been happening With. Pippen he

778
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: had the moment where he's throwing a chair on the.

779
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: Floor you, know there was The migraine. Game there have

780
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: been things In pippen's past up to that point where

781
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: you knew that compared To, jordan he was more of

782
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: a malcontent for the. Balls so you're just thinking he

783
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: sat out of the end of a playoff game and

784
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: the ball still. Won are they just going to completely

785
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: ditch him from here on? OUT i, mean you didn't

786
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: really know the inner dynamics of how much it affected

787
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: the team and how they would eventually go on to

788
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: lose to The knicks in that, series but it just

789
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: kind of felt like things were coming to an end for,

790
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: sure because you, know choosing to not sit in the

791
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: biggest moment of your, season or choosing to sit out

792
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: of the game in the biggest moment of the, season

793
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: that's more, quitting it feels like than actually.

794
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: Retiring.

795
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: YEP.

796
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: Jd what did you think of episode seven, here anything

797
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: new that you learned or anything your biggest takeaway from that?

798
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 5: Episode it was all new to, me, really AND i

799
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 5: was probably my favorite, episode just because it starts super

800
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 5: emotionally With jordan's father and then it ends very the

801
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 5: ending with The jordan getting. Emotional you mentioned it before

802
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 5: about was he too hard on the other players and all,

803
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 5: that and and the Whole pippin. THING i Loved phil

804
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 5: saying come if he's not getting, in just come and kup,

805
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 5: Coach like all of all of that was. GREAT i

806
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: did have a moment where it was at the press

807
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 5: conference Where jordan was, retiring AND i can't remember who

808
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 5: the reporter, was but he was he was freaking out

809
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 5: and he was, saying this story of the. Year it's

810
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety, three and whether you like it or, not

811
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: this is the story of the. Year AND i was,

812
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 5: LIKE i don't remember this being the story of the year,

813
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 5: Really and THEN i had to do some research and

814
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 5: it was, like, oh, yeah there was The waco standoff

815
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 5: was a big story that, year and The World Trade

816
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 5: center got bombed And Monica sellez got, Stabbed River phoenix,

817
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 5: Died Brandon lee. Died but you, know it didn't make

818
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 5: any of the top ten lists of the stories THAT

819
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 5: i have. Researched but that maybe because he didn't actually

820
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 5: retire and he came back eighteen months. Later but still

821
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 5: story of the year was a bit. Money if you're

822
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 5: in the basketball, world absolutely, sure, yes.

823
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: Yeah and what did you? Again specifically that final scene

824
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: of episode seven WHERE mj calls, it you, know like

825
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: put yourself in the director's shoes there are you, Like,

826
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: wow we've got gold. Here we finally sort of CRACKED

827
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: mj and appears where he is getting.

828
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 5: Emotional absolutely at the very, Least i'm, saying, well we

829
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 5: got the ending of episode. Seven its, great BUT i

830
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 5: have to ADMIT i was a little confused as to

831
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 5: why he was getting so. Much, well, yeah it just

832
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 5: it made me think about what he was. SAYING i

833
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 5: had to go back and, go, okay all, right he's

834
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: he's really struggling with, this and, yeah it's it's fascinating to,

835
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: me yeah for.

836
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: Sure all, Right, well before we break down episode eight

837
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: Of The Last, dance a quick word from a few

838
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: of our.

839
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,520
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840
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: six straight. Days every time he sees, you he heckles

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00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,840
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842
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844
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,719
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845
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,680
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846
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,359
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Speaker 1: Council All, Right episode eight Of The Last. Dance you

874
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: can call this the return, episode though you could also

875
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: call it you know WHERE mj gets his motivation from

876
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: episode because within like you, know, really these last two,

877
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: episodes we GET mj getting motivation From Sports illustrated Le

878
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: Bradford smith not even saying good game to, Him Steve

879
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: kerr's fluffy, Hair Raris grant on the, magic Bj armstrong

880
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: on The, hornets AND unc Guy george call walking by

881
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: him at a. Restaurant that's basically just from this episode.

882
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: Alone you know how CRAZY mg is and wherever he's

883
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: gonna find that slight and use it to his. Advantage

884
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's, wild even ones that are made, up

885
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: because we start with The Hornets bulls and it's game,

886
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: two it's the Bj armstrong, moment and within that we

887
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: get the flashback to That Lea Bradford smith game in ninety.

888
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: THREE i think it was where he had the game

889
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: of his. Life he scored thirty, seven and he may

890
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: or may not have sit a nice game. Bike he,

891
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: DIDN'T i, guess AND mj goes out and scores thirty

892
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: six in the first half of the next game because

893
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: they have a home at. Home but, yeah that's this

894
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: whole big part of this episode is that that, well,

895
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: again what we know FROM mj because we saw it

896
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: in His hall Of fame. Speech this just, Like i'll

897
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: use anything to motivate. ME i don't care what it.

898
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: Is a bad, headline you complimenting, Me you just being

899
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: a white. Guy that's being a little physical with me in,

900
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: practice like any you you turning your back and leaving

901
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: to go play for another team because they're paying you.

902
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: Money like, anything this guy will use to his. Advantage

903
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: what do you think of this?

904
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: Episode, Ly oh, yeah, no it. Was it was great

905
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 4: because he does just find any any little. PETTINESS i,

906
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 4: mean looking Through Lea Bradford smith's, career he basically played

907
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: what three seasons in THE. Nba he had one good

908
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 4: game Against, jordan AND i just wish so bad that

909
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: it was true that he did say nice. Game mining

910
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: to him because that just sort of, then you, know

911
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: it just emphasizes What Michael jordan needed sometimes to get himself.

912
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 4: Going you, know you always hear about players these days

913
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: talking about THE nba seasons are grind and they need

914
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 4: to find a. Motivation, Well jordan could apparently do that

915
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: against the guy who was basically a journeyman who didn't

916
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 4: last all that long in THE, nba and then the

917
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 4: next Night jordan had to go out and put thirty

918
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: six on. Him but Also Bj armstrong was very interesting

919
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: here BECAUSE i had actually forgotten about that series and

920
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: THAT bj was on The. Hornets but bj was such

921
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 4: a nice. Guy you, know he seemed to me the

922
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 4: sort of player who would play his role and understand

923
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 4: How jordan. WORKED i, mean he talked about how he

924
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 4: read about geniuses in A i think it was in

925
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: another documentary About Michael, jordan to try to learn how

926
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 4: he operated and how his mind. Worked so when they

927
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 4: lose that first game to The, balls and then the second,

928
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: Game BJ's, LIKE i THINK i know how to beat these,

929
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: guys and he goes out and does. It for him

930
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: to then be sort of celebrating In michael's, face he

931
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: must have known that was the sort of thing That

932
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 4: jordan would have would have just been eating away at.

933
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 4: Him and then you see the. Result jordan goes out and,

934
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: wins wins the next three. Games SO i thought it was.

935
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 4: Great but it was just also like b J armstrong

936
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: sort of, like you, know he was messing With jordan as,

937
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 4: well you, know.

938
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: But hit the big.

939
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 4: Shots and it was a great little moment because that to,

940
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: me even though that's not the sort of behind the scenes,

941
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: footage that's also bringing you back to what was happening

942
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: at the time and Where jordan was and you, know

943
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: how he was getting through the playoffs and how The

944
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 4: bulls were getting back to. Winning SO i really enjoyed.

945
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: IT i, mean you, know we'll move. On BUT i

946
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: also love The George carr one because, like how do

947
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: we even Know George carl just sort of walked, past

948
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 4: and like Maybe George carl was just, like you, know

949
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 4: on my way, OUT i don't want to. Talk i've

950
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: got a game to plan. FOR i don't want to

951
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: stop in chit. Chat BECAUSE i could also See jordan

952
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 4: seeing that as some sort of reverse.

953
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: Psychologist, yes exactly, exactly we're going against each other in the,

954
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: finals how dare you? Tark yeah, Exactly he'll Just bill

955
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: find the motivation and whatever side he wants. To My mazarella.

956
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: Sticks haven't even got here and you're stopping to talk to.

957
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: Me, Yeah And jordan, says you, know we've got THE

958
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: unc connection there With Dean. SMITH i, mean Maybe george

959
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 4: carl if he said to, Him, hey have you spoken

960
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 4: To dean? Lately? Yeah, NO i spoke to. Him he's

961
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 4: not too. Bad we'll see. Him oh oh, oh so

962
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 4: he's trying to Use Dean smith against. ME i, okay then.

963
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: It's a Wild Kendall gill was in That hornet, series.

964
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: Right, YEAH i Think Kendall gill was on uh on The?

965
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 4: Net yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah because he gets dunked on

966
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: and he told us he's still mad At Kerry kittles

967
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 4: for playing on that. Play that's.

968
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Right, Sorry, YEAH i was getting those confused because we

969
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: did see That net series in episode. SEVEN i. Guess.

970
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah Bj armstrong too still looks like he's ten years. Old,

971
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: yeah it looks so youthful to. Me, uh just he.

972
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: Hasn't his face has not changed the entire time he's

973
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: been on this. Planet it's it's What nora was, like

974
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: how old is that? GUY i don't. KNOW i think he's,

975
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: like is what is he his? Fifties must he must

976
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: Be he's got to be something like. That, yeah just

977
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: like he looks like he's. SIXTEEN i was, LIKE i,

978
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: know he's got one of those youthful.

979
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: LOOKS i thought it was even strange to remember him

980
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: having a buzz, cut because to, me he would always

981
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 3: have the little short flat top and a plane.

982
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: Face he also grew a beard at one.

983
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: POINT i remember Bj, armstrong you, know basically because everybody's,

984
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: saying this guy looks so, young he tried growing a,

985
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 3: beard and you're, LIKE i don't think, so.

986
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: B, Ja yeah he's fifty.

987
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: Two, Okay wow he looks. Great. Yep and what a

988
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: great scene that.

989
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: Was you, know he hits the, shot he is, celebrating

990
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: and then we Get jordan in the locker room smoking a,

991
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 3: cigar just like taking little short cuts of a bat

992
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: acting LEG i don't, know like a cartoon mob boss or.

993
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: Something it was like teetering for me on very cool

994
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 3: and very weird the entire. Time not even pretty, cool pretty.

995
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: Weird this was.

996
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: Extreme it's like one second he's giving these amazing insights

997
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: onto talking. Trash but also you can barely understand him

998
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: because he's got a giant cigar in his mouth and

999
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: he's taking.

1000
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: These little sissy cuts with a with a. Bat very

1001
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: weird to. Me, yeah it, Would, UH i only wish

1002
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: he was wearing like a golf glove in that scene

1003
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: because everything it like wraps Up Michael jordan in one. Shot,

1004
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: Right he's got the baseball, mat he's dressed in basketball,

1005
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: gear he's got His jordan's, kicked you, know up there

1006
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: on the, wall and he's got a. CIGAR i, mean

1007
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: if you were just missing like the golf glove to,

1008
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: me and then it'd be absolutely perfect in Summarizing Michael.

1009
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: Jordan but, yeah that was a, weird, little weird little.

1010
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: Moment and it looked like he had a painting Of

1011
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: Michael jordan in the locker next to, Himself Michael. Jordan

1012
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: it looked like as soon as the camera cut, away

1013
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 3: he's gonna be, saying, eh shock.

1014
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: Away by so we Get MJ's return In march of ninety,

1015
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: five tast do you remember this? Moment do you remember

1016
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: The i'm? Backfax do you remember the bulls being sort

1017
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: of five hundred dish and mj coming. Back we're number forty.

1018
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: Five we didn't Get fax machines In canada until the

1019
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: year twenty two thousand and. SEVEN i think, So, no

1020
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: BUT i remember coming. BACK i remember those are the.

1021
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: FACTS i remember him coming, Back, yeah to a mediocre.

1022
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: Team and but, this, UH i JUST i NEVER i

1023
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: GUESS i blocked it out of my, mind LIKE i

1024
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: block Out Wizards jordan from my. MIND i never think

1025
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: of the Mediocre, jordan the guy who just couldn't get

1026
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 2: his teams over the. Top and so to See Horace

1027
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: grant and to see guys taking it to him on

1028
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: the other, side and to see the strip From Nick

1029
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: anderson was it. Was it was felt new to, me

1030
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: LIKE i HAD i had it in my memory. Banks

1031
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: BUT i THINK i cut it out BECAUSE i didn't

1032
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: want to remember.

1033
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: It oh, YEAH i remember hating Seeing Nick anderson get

1034
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: the best Of Michael jordan in the in the ninety

1035
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: five e semis as a kid like being, fifteen, sixteen

1036
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: whatever the HELL i was. Like that just was, like,

1037
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: what that's not, right that's. Wrong and he's Wearing jordan's,

1038
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: too that's even. Worse Nick anderson. Was but, YEAH i

1039
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: didn't remember that he was wearing his shorts backwards WHEN

1040
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: mj came, BACK i didn't. Know they didn't tell the story.

1041
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: Right the shorts looked.

1042
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: Backwards that was a botch by whoever the equipment manager.

1043
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: Was they put the logo on on the wrong. Side

1044
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: at least that was the story at the. Time, okay

1045
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: so the shorts were on, correctly but the logo looked

1046
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: like they were on. Backwards, yeah exactly what you're. Saying, yeah, okay,

1047
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: okay because that that that makes more, sense because you

1048
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: know what we're told and what we've even, seen and

1049
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: we talked about in the last couple of episodes like

1050
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: how METICULOUS mj was like lacing his own shoes and

1051
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: everything right like he he seemed to like have a you,

1052
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: know go go step by step and getting ready for a.

1053
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: Game so it would be a little. WEIRD i know

1054
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: he's been gone for a little, while but to then

1055
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: just put on his shorts backwards seems a Little.

1056
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: And we got another shot of him lacing His Jordan

1057
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: evans from the bottom. Up this guy doesn't for. OUT

1058
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: i am so shocked to see a man of his

1059
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: stature laser shoe from the. Blog it's just he's doing

1060
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: it the.

1061
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 4: Time, yeah it's it's just the way that he likes.

1062
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: It.

1063
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: Though you know sometimes if someone else just laces him

1064
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: and they say here, go they're, Done he's, like, no, no, no,

1065
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 4: NO i like him done in the right. Way i'm the.

1066
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 4: Same i'm the. Same. YEAH i know you used to

1067
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: work in a shoe shoe shop, There, tassy and you

1068
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 4: know when someone brings out the, SHOE i do like

1069
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: to sort of go from the bottom up and get

1070
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 4: it all nice and tight around my. Foot So i'm

1071
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: just saying that's one Thing michael AND i have in, common.

1072
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 2: So you Would, YEAH i actually feel Like Michael jordan

1073
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: too watching this. Episode his first his first love was,

1074
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: baseball and now now he loves. Basketball same. Season but

1075
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: so let's say a shoe comes out to, You, yeah

1076
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: and you're you're trying, on you're you're you've got a

1077
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: big foot where you've got eleven and a.

1078
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 4: Half, yeah bigger than. That i'm twelve and a.

1079
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: Half twelve and a. Half, Sorry i'm mixing up. Feet

1080
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: i'm mixing up with sazing chart here on the, Note

1081
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: so you get a Fully, jordan you say, no thank,

1082
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: You i'm going to pull it out and lease it

1083
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: from the. Bottom WELL i.

1084
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 4: DON'T i, don't SO i don't pull it, out BUT

1085
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 4: i CERTAINLY i like to tighten it from the from

1086
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 4: the bottom. Up so before, yeah.

1087
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah well you're you're. Readjusting, yeah but you're going

1088
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: right to the. Bottom.

1089
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah If i'm If i'm spending one hundred and fifty

1090
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 4: bucks On, Jordan's i'm, like all, Right i'm not trying

1091
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 4: them one Until i've laced, them you. Know and they're

1092
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 4: tied around my. Foot So i've got a wide foot

1093
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 4: as well as a long. Foot so that's where It's

1094
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 4: that's where it's. Unique.

1095
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: Brag, yeah needs a lot Of. Roman Maybe i'm a

1096
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: man escaped man. Myself you got to do.

1097
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: Everything SO i was, Thinking, trey you AND, I you

1098
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 4: AND i should Go you AND i should go shoe,

1099
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: shopping just to mess with the shoe sails. Man LIKE i,

1100
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 4: Like i've got a, big long wine, Foot i've got a,

1101
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 4: small skinny. One all, right, guys come, on, okay.

1102
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: But it tas you said that you try and like

1103
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: almost keep it out of your memory THAT mj. LOST i,

1104
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: mean they lose to the magic as we as we

1105
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: see in this, episode episode. Eight what's funny, though IS

1106
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: i forget that he actually was kicking ass when he

1107
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: came back in the regular season for a guy that

1108
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: hadn't played in you, know hadn't played COMPETITIVE nba basketball for,

1109
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: again seventeen eighteen. Months because he you, know he has

1110
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: the game winner versus The, hawks and then a few

1111
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: days after, THAT i think in his fifth game in his,

1112
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: comeback he scores fifty five the double nickel game IN, Msg,

1113
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: like god damn, It LIKE i don't, know that's almost

1114
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: more impressive in a weird way than the Whole baseball

1115
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: two hundred. Thing like guy just just PLoP them back

1116
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: in and then he's gone for fifty. Five, yeah against

1117
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: a good.

1118
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: Team it's LIKE i haven't gone through, it But i'd

1119
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 4: like to see his his averages and his scores In

1120
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 4: Madison Square. Garden it seems like he never had a bad,

1121
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 4: game never had an off. Game you. Know that was

1122
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 4: that was his place where he knew he would go

1123
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 4: and sort of get his groove. Back BECAUSE i remember

1124
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 4: when he first came back AND i, thought there's no

1125
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: way he's going to be able to come back and just.

1126
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: Dominate so quickly in THE, nba and those first couple of,

1127
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: games you, know he wasn't shooting the baller that well

1128
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: out of the game, winner but then when he had

1129
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: the fifty, five he, thought oh my, god he. Is

1130
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 4: he's just going to come back and win the. Championship

1131
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: so for them then to lose to The magic was.

1132
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: Surprising BUT i like The Horror grant moment we had

1133
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: there After Nick anderson was talking trash to him after game,

1134
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 4: one saying forty five ain't twenty, three And Horace grant's just, like.

1135
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: You, idiot what are you?

1136
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: Doing and then and THEN i actually forgot that he

1137
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 4: changed mid, Series, yeah from forty. FIVE i, THOUGHT i

1138
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 4: thought he just finished out that season at forty five

1139
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 4: and started the next one in twenty. Three but, yeah

1140
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 4: he did. It got fined one hundred thousand dollars apparently

1141
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 4: for doing, it but you, KNOW i, mean that's nothing to.

1142
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 4: Him the team probably paid it. Anyway but then when

1143
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 4: he comes, back has that incredible game in game, two

1144
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 4: and that's again where you sort of feel this is

1145
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 4: the Old Michael jordan where he's not going to. Lose

1146
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: so it was a surprise to see them go on

1147
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 4: and lose that series in the.

1148
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: End, yeah go.

1149
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: Ahead it would be an easy article to rate for

1150
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: for writers if they won the, Championship like this guy

1151
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 2: is the best basketball player in the. World he came

1152
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: back any. WON i wonder if guys Like James, harden for,

1153
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: instance are seeing you gotta, train, Man you gotta be

1154
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: tip top shape every day of every year to be

1155
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 2: ready to play and to have the. Longevity like part

1156
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: of it is being able to play the two games

1157
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: and playing in the, playoffs like he ran out of

1158
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: gas and he just wasn't wasn't ready to Be Jordan's

1159
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: it's still like you, said it is kind of odd

1160
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: to think that a guy can just come in and take,

1161
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: over but It's. Jordan you'd think he would be able

1162
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: to but that's just the way it. Is and he

1163
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 2: didn't get to work out With Tim grover and build

1164
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: that basketball. Bod and also Watching Tim grover made me

1165
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: makes me, think WOULD i want to work out With Tim?

1166
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: Grover like part of me is, like, yes that guy

1167
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 2: would motivate the ish out of, me but also LIKE

1168
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: i don't, KNOW i don't know If i'd like. It

1169
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: i'm leaning towards, yes Though i'm leaning Towards Tim grover

1170
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: would get me.

1171
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: Groving i'll, say one, DAY i didn't like ABOUT episod,

1172
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: eight AND i get, it this is a bulls, documentary

1173
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: this is AN mj. Documentary but the glossing over of

1174
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: some of the teams in this, episode like the ninety

1175
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: Five magic like we were like led to believe it

1176
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: was Like Horace grant was the man on that, team

1177
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: like Horse grant was, good really, good but we got

1178
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: like a little throwaway shack line And penny. Line you.

1179
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: Know it was like more like The Horace Grant Nick anderson,

1180
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 1: show WHICH i thought was. Funny and then again later

1181
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: on the ninety six finals versus The, sonics it was

1182
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: like it was Just Gary payton and there was like

1183
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: one reference To Sean, kemp and it was that he

1184
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: Was Gary Payton's Alley you Partner camp was incredible during

1185
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: that season and in the ninety six. FINALS i don't,

1186
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: know that's one little, thing but of course it's not

1187
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: about really those other. Teams but, yeah it Was trey

1188
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: fascinated as a young kid at that. Time was it

1189
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: heartbreaking to you to, see oh my, God jordan is

1190
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: sort of. Human they lost to The Orlando magic.

1191
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 3: One hundred, Percent like shocking to See Michael jordan, lose

1192
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: shocking to see him shoot an air ball in a clutch,

1193
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: situation because like you're saying that game winner against The

1194
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: hawks and the double nickel against The, knicks With Bill wennington,

1195
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: saying me And michael went out there and combined for

1196
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: fifty seven points in the win because he.

1197
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: Gets that last. Dunk, yeah you thought they were gonna

1198
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: win the.

1199
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: Championship you, Know jordan debuts The jordan eleven in this

1200
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 3: series as. Well you never See Michael jordan wearing white

1201
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: shoes in the, playoffs but he's wearing them against The.

1202
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 3: Magic he switches back to twenty, three goes for thirty.

1203
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: Eight you're, like the balls are, Back they're one hundred percent.

1204
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: Back but then you know he they botch. It they

1205
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: basically botch. It they just don't have the right kind

1206
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 3: of players to hang with with This magic. Team and you,

1207
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: KNOW i was listening to A simmons podcast not too long,

1208
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: ago and he's arguing that it doesn't matter what level

1209
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: Of Michael jordan they, have they're still losing. It just

1210
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: to me felt crazy to See jordan losing the playoffs

1211
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i mean even, now you think Once jordan started,

1212
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 3: winning he never lost. Again and that's what it felt

1213
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: like for sure as a, kid but it.

1214
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: Happened, Yeah, NO i remember being shocked as a gid.

1215
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: TOO i wasn't even A Bulls Bulls bulls fan like,

1216
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: you and more of AN nba, fan and you're just

1217
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: you just think He's. Superman it's weird to See superman.

1218
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: Lose you're just, like, WHAT i didn't know that was?

1219
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: Possible but it, was of, course and The magic were

1220
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: a great. Team they were obviously a young. Team and

1221
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: Horse GRANT i don't want to say Like Horse grant

1222
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: was not. Good he was instrumental in that. Win same

1223
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: With Nick. Anderson come, on it's like it Was shack is,

1224
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: like you know how many years later is already on

1225
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: the top fifty players of all? Time what was that ninety?

1226
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: Seven that's basically. Announced some guy's played like four years

1227
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: at that. Point IT'S i, mean he's that, game damn.

1228
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: Good we also get the filming Of Space jam after the,

1229
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: loss like into that sort of, summer and we get

1230
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of. FOOTAGE i could have used a lot.

1231
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: More maybe it doesn't exist of these secret, games whatever

1232
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: you want to call. Him these games practice games on

1233
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: The Warner brothers lot where you got guys Like reggie

1234
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: out there and a bunch of other stars playing a

1235
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: couple of GUYS i didn't even know who the hell they.

1236
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: Were he would see in these little. Clips but that

1237
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: was pretty cool to see the to see The spece

1238
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: jam because we had heard the. Story they build him

1239
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: the dome and all that so he can continue to

1240
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: work out and get ready for THE nba season when

1241
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: he comes back the next. Year but that was. Cool

1242
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: i'd love to see a lot more of that.

1243
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 4: Footage, yeah and the and the schedule that he was

1244
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 4: on there was. Crazy Reggie millis that have talked about.

1245
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 4: It you. Know he his call time was six or

1246
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: seven in the. Morning he would shoot all day and

1247
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 4: then they would pick up have games sometimes starting at

1248
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: nine o'clock that would go for, hours and he would

1249
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 4: do weights and stuff. Afterwards like he is a. Vampire

1250
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 4: he's a machine like how you, know especially when he's

1251
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 4: also trying to get back INTO nba game. Shape you

1252
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: would think obviously that would be where his heavy focus.

1253
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 4: Was but he had this movie and he shot it

1254
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 4: and did, it but it just it's crazy now to,

1255
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 4: THINK i mean, imagine imagine Like Lebron james was doing.

1256
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 4: THAT i think we would look at that now and think,

1257
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 4: like he's he's going to exhaust. Himself he's not going

1258
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 4: to be. Ready you, know he's going to run out

1259
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 4: of energy come playoff. Time but it wasn't the case With.

1260
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 4: Jordan but, yeah those sort of, PICKUPS i, Mean reggie

1261
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 4: said someone that they were some of the best, games

1262
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 4: AND i would love to have been able to watch

1263
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 4: them a bit like that dream team pickup game In,

1264
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 4: monaco you, know where that you're sort of calling your

1265
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 4: own fous and you, know some of the best. Players

1266
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 4: but also How jordan kind of was sneaky about what

1267
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 4: he Was his intentions and motivations were that he was

1268
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 4: actually sort of scouting some of the best players in

1269
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 4: THE nba and seeing what they do and seeing how

1270
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 4: to you, know probably defend them and go against them

1271
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: when the season came. Around, so you, know classic just

1272
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: really great insight into How jordan worked and how he,

1273
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 4: operated and how he tried to get intel on his

1274
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: opponents so he would be up to speed come next.

1275
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: SEASON i just wonder how many Times Sean bradley got

1276
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: dunked on during this, cause Like Sean bradley was there

1277
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 3: Filming Space, jam, right so you know he was, around

1278
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: and you know he was a target when they played

1279
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: in THE. Nba so is there just you, know like

1280
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: an hour along super cut of this guy getting slammed?

1281
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: On Was berkeley in any of those? Clips could anybody find?

1282
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: Him because he's obviously part of the movie as. WELL

1283
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: i didn't see him in those.

1284
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 4: CLUBS i don't remember seeing.

1285
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: Him Because ewing's there And bradley's, there and Assume Larry

1286
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 1: johnson's there to be muggsy and but, YEAH i don't.

1287
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: KNOW i didn't See chuck there, playing playing in those

1288
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: little pickup. Games he brought up the comparison To, lebron

1289
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: the what if Of? LEBRON i, mean isn't that what

1290
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: Happened lee didn't he wasn't he Recording Space jam two

1291
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: and then coming into this season obviously looking pretty? Dominant, yeah, yeah, Yes,

1292
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: TIMELINE i think that's. Exactly When when Is Space jam

1293
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: two coming in like? That when did they say?

1294
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: It just twenty twenty?

1295
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: One, yeah, yeah BUT i think IT'S i think they

1296
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: shot him though he shot his. Parts Maybe i'm n think.

1297
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 4: So.

1298
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: YEAH i think part of mj getting back into basketball

1299
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: shape was it was really really important for The bulls

1300
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: and just like running the show for this the the

1301
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: locker room to be great. Again like they came back

1302
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: and destroyed The Orlando magic the next year with the same.

1303
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: ROSTER i don't it didn't really matter and who was playing.

1304
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: Center Luke longley's still still out there Being austria and

1305
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: still not getting any time in. This uh, yeah they

1306
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: had a yeah's, true that's.

1307
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 4: True luke at least got his name said By Michael,

1308
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 4: jordan so he just Said kerr And luke and those.

1309
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 4: Guys so you, know it's a small victory for. Sure

1310
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 4: i'll take. It.

1311
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: THOUGH i definitely thought it was interesting to Hear jordan.

1312
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 3: Talking jordan And Tim grover talking about the difference between

1313
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 3: a basketball body and a baseball, body and the basketball

1314
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 3: body you're supposed to have huge, shoulders, apparently BECAUSE i

1315
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 3: do remember When jordan came back for that ninety five

1316
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: ninety six, season he looked. Different you're, like he looks

1317
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 3: like a huge guy right, Now like he looks like

1318
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: he's going to be dishing out even more punishment than

1319
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 3: he had been in the, past and you, Know jordan's

1320
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: game certainly changed for the latter part of his career

1321
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 3: in the second THREE P championships where he's shooting all

1322
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: these fadeaways and just kind of bumping guys down in the,

1323
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 3: post and obviously that played a huge role in.

1324
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, tass he, said we got the. Incident you

1325
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: said it. Earlier, sorry that incident Was Steve, kerr AND

1326
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: i like that you threw, it and they're, like we

1327
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: LEARN i think this was maybe you, know common knowledge

1328
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: That kerr does Hit jordan in the chest with a

1329
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: forearm and, elbow like he hits him sort of, first

1330
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: and Then jordan punches him in the damn face and

1331
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: Then Phil jackson's gotta, say get the hell out of.

1332
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: Here BUT, jd this is a little to me like

1333
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: our our sports version Of han shot, first, right you

1334
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: know what really went down in that? Canteen, like does it?

1335
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: Matter is that a pretty important element That kerr maybe

1336
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: did shoot first in a weird? Way?

1337
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 5: Well, YEAH i Mean han absolutely shot. First, YEAH i

1338
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: mean this was the first TIME i heard this. STORY i,

1339
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 5: MEAN i know you guys know about, it AND i

1340
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 5: JUST i just assumed that that is how it unfolded That.

1341
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 5: KERR i, mean they say he punched him in the,

1342
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 5: chest but you, Know i've seen that lots of times

1343
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 5: in basketball where he basically a punch could be more

1344
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 5: of a shove right. Forearm, yeah and then what Did

1345
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 5: jordan come back? With like a haymaker to his eye

1346
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 5: kind of? Thing and, yes so if only that was on, Tape,

1347
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 5: yeah that's.

1348
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: Right so we get the seventy two and ten. BULLS

1349
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: i was a little pissed TASK i don't know about.

1350
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: You not one single mention of the Expansion Toronto raptors

1351
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: beating the bulls in the. Sky, huh what up with?

1352
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: That this documentary is a. Sham couldn't believe, It BUT

1353
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: i Love we get the don't mean a thing without

1354
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: a ring after the dominant, season but they want to

1355
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: take care of business and go to the, finals and

1356
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: we get the ninety six finals versus The sonics as

1357
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: we talked about, it and we get the Whole George

1358
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: carl snubbing them at the. Restaurant, okay episode seven probably

1359
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: the best. Part we sort of, agreed that very emotional

1360
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: ending that Where jordan has to call it because he's

1361
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,479
Speaker 1: getting all worked up about being super competitive and maybe

1362
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: the backlash to it and all that highlight of episode

1363
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: eight gotta Be Gary peaton talking about Tiring Michael jordan

1364
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: out AND mg WATCHING gpc this on the, iPad, lee

1365
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: did you love that? One that's?

1366
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 4: It, yeah BECAUSE i mean he Was Defensive player of The,

1367
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 4: Year Gary, payton and we know he's a, talker and

1368
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 4: the series did sort of turn when he defended. Him

1369
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 4: SO i thought What Gary payton was saying had some

1370
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 4: sort of valid validity to. It But jordan just kind

1371
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 4: of laughed him right in his face and just SAID

1372
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 4: i had no problem with him at, all as if

1373
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 4: that wasn't what changes. Series but to be, HONEST i

1374
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 4: Think Gary payton has a point. THERE i, mean you

1375
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,959
Speaker 4: know they switched Him George. CARR i Think Gary payton,

1376
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: saying you, know put me On jordan or on Taking,

1377
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 4: jordan and he goes out there and they win the

1378
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 4: next two. GAMES i, mean ultimately didn't, matter The bulls

1379
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 4: won the. Championship But jordan just sort of, laughing you,

1380
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 4: know like in that sort of belittling. WAY i thought

1381
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 4: it was a little bit odd Because Gary payton is

1382
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 4: A hall Of, Famer he's a legendary. DEFENDER i, mean

1383
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 4: he's a fantastic, player AND i would have Thought jordan

1384
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 4: would have respected it a little bit more because you,

1385
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 4: Know Gary payton was a competitor as, well and he

1386
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 4: went out there and you, know he took on that

1387
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 4: challenge and had some success with. It so BUT i

1388
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 4: guess that's Just. Jordan LIKE i GUESS i.

1389
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: Think that Was jordan's way of Respecting Gary peyton in

1390
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: and you know WHAT i, Mean like they're like just

1391
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: laughing at like this. Guy, Man like that guy talks

1392
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: more THAN i. DO i don't know HOW i took.

1393
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: It and also he is going like Because Gary peton

1394
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: is trying to tell us If George carle puts me

1395
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: On Michael jordan in game one of the series that

1396
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: we beat we win THE Nba. Finals, now who. Knows

1397
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: i'm still, Skeptical AND i think that's very skeptical that

1398
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: that's how it would. Go but that's, what, yeah he's

1399
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: trying to tell.

1400
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 4: Us, well and, LOOK i agree in that sense THAT

1401
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 4: i think The bulls win the championship no matter. What

1402
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 4: but it would be interesting to see if something like that.

1403
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 4: Happened it would it go to seven? Games would it

1404
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 4: be a bit of a tighter, series who. Knows BUT i,

1405
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,959
Speaker 4: mean when The bulls are three zero up as, well

1406
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 4: it's not that out of reach to think they took

1407
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 4: their foot off the gas a little bit, thinking you,

1408
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 4: know thinking like we're going to wrap this up in

1409
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 4: four or, five because that was of course the two

1410
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 4: three two full meat they had back. Then but you,

1411
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 4: KNOW i just it was a little bit odd to

1412
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 4: me That jordan just completely dismissed any impact That Gary

1413
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 4: pyten had on him all that series when they won

1414
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 4: those two. Games SO i that's you, know that's what

1415
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 4: ALL i took from.

1416
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 3: It Gary payton came in, injured had a calf injury

1417
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 3: coming into the. Playoffs first three. Games he was guarded

1418
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 3: By Ron, harper the bulls third best perimeter, defender and

1419
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 3: he went for fifteen points on forty percent. Shooting he

1420
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 3: was out there trying to be an offensive. Guy So

1421
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: Gary payton coming in here saying that his defense is

1422
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 3: going to change the. SERIES i, mean maybe it would

1423
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 3: help because you watch the highlights And jordan is touch

1424
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 3: just torching debt, left Shremp, Hersey, Hawkins David, Wingate vincent

1425
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 3: ask you like the craziest guys you would think to

1426
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 3: even try On Michael. Jordan Maybe Gary payton helps a little,

1427
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 3: bit But george carl, said you're out there for your,

1428
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 3: offense and he couldn't score Against Ron.

1429
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: Harper, yeah And i've Heard nate McMillan say BECAUSE i

1430
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: think he was injured in the ninety six, finals, right

1431
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: didn't he, say If i'm, there then it's a hell

1432
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: of a different, series because, yeah that he's obviously a

1433
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: much better defensive player than a lot of those. Guys

1434
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: trade just ran. Through he's gonna help, out no. DOUBT

1435
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: i still think The bulls. Win but, yeah that's a

1436
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: pretty PRETTY i love that scene Where jordan just Anytime

1437
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: jordan's looking at an iPad has been, gold, Right he's just.

1438
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: Reacting it's.

1439
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: Brilliant it's great to see some incredible. Names, Yeah nate

1440
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 2: McMillan came back at the end of that series because

1441
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 2: he was. Heard it was great to see him on the.

1442
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: Floor he was he was coming off the, BENCH i

1443
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 2: guess because he was. Injured Seeing Frank berkowski get in the, Start, Wow,

1444
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 2: wow what a. Name we need these names back in our,

1445
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: lives not just When lee is opening a pack of

1446
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 2: cards On, thursday.

1447
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: And as everybody knows it probably remembers that it's you,

1448
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: know Maybe jordan decided to throw games four and five

1449
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: so he could win THE Nba championship On Father's, day which,

1450
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: fell you, know with game, six and we get the

1451
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: iconic scene Of jordan celebrating in the locker room sort

1452
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: of crying while he's holding the ball and this is

1453
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: For daddy and stuff like. That, yeah he's he's he's

1454
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: wired so differently THAT i wouldn't put it past him

1455
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: if he was thinking. That but that's episode. Eight any random,

1456
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: observations guys from either of last night's two episodes that

1457
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: you want to slip.

1458
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 3: IN i still remember for that title nineteen ninety, six just,

1459
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 3: Wondering Randy, brown what are you?

1460
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: Doing?

1461
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 3: Man why are you trying to take this ball away

1462
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 3: From Michael Jordan as they're laying they're, Celebrating he's like

1463
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: laying on the ball Like Randy brown is like basically

1464
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 3: wrestling him trying to get it.

1465
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 2: Back BUT i don't.

1466
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: Know apparently they're really, close those two, guys so maybe

1467
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: that's their.

1468
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 4: CELEBRATION i thought a good. MOMENT i think it Was

1469
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 4: Judd butchler was, saying you, know When jordan came back

1470
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 4: for the ninety five ninety six season and they were

1471
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 4: looking at the schedule and he's, like, man we're not

1472
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 4: going to lose for like three. Months you. Know, YEAH

1473
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 4: i thought that was pretty cool because you, KNOW i,

1474
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 4: mean like he they had lost the season, before you,

1475
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 4: know they went out to The magic. Sales would would

1476
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 4: Maybe jordan be able to come back and be to

1477
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 4: that super high level with a season of off season of,

1478
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 4: Training BUT i guess he, Was so it was pretty,

1479
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 4: Cool like nice to say.

1480
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: That you mentioned Bj armstrong's haircut, TRAY i, like right

1481
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: at the end of this episode, eight and we're gonna

1482
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: get a lot more of, It i'm, sure because we're

1483
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: getting close to where we're probably gonna get, WELL i

1484
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: guess there was only two episodes. Left we're gonna get

1485
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: The Pacers Versus bulls series in ninety eight Bald Chris mullen,

1486
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: Sighting oh, yeah, Yeah oh my. God it always always

1487
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: throws me for a bit of a scare That i'm, like.

1488
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: WHOA i always forget that guy was bald for a

1489
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: little bit because there's a.

1490
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 3: Lot of weird heads in the ninety seven ninety eight

1491
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 3: pacers with their.

1492
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: Shaves it looks.

1493
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 3: Crazy you Got Rick smith's who, actually you, know he

1494
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 3: kind of pulls off the bald head a little bit

1495
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,839
Speaker 3: better than the. Mullet back in the, Day Mark jackson

1496
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 3: with a bald head looks super old as. WELL i

1497
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 3: don't know how they thought they were going to scare

1498
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 3: the bulls with bald, heads But i'm glad they tried.

1499
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: It, LEE i saw you tweet maybe the sign of

1500
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: the last two episodes legalize. Camp that's a great.

1501
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 4: One, yeah, yeah, yeah great. ONE i love The Seattle

1502
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 4: heads like that one. Too they appreciate.

1503
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: It one THING i noticed the old creepy Looking bulls

1504
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 1: mascot Double oh my. God that thing is No benny

1505
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: The bull. There that thing was so creepy, looking with

1506
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: more of that sort of plastic key head Right tray oh.

1507
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 3: Man, yeah he had like a like a molded, face

1508
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 3: and to, me that face was like one of the

1509
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 3: scariest things of all. TIME i had nightmares of in

1510
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 3: the movie The, mask the villain puts on the, mask

1511
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 3: and that's exactly what this mascot's face.

1512
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: Looked like to. Me BUT i actually wrote something up

1513
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: for the athletic about. It hopefully it'll be dropping in

1514
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: not too. Long oh, okay, great nice little teas, there

1515
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: And tash he said it right off the top of the.

1516
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: Show way to, Go craig has got to be the

1517
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: new Not Great bob or or in my world it's

1518
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: the new shut Up. Dean because way to Go. Craig

1519
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: that Is that's how this whole episode. Started episode seven

1520
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: started With Jerry cross Because, craig, say you're asked the

1521
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: whole backstabbing. Question gross just storms out near somebody, say

1522
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: way to Go. Craig it's so, funny.

1523
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 3: Pretty decent burn From kraus as. Well he's, like because they're,

1524
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 3: winners unlike that question you just.

1525
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 2: Asked he was fired.

1526
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: Up CHROs is not happy with. That any other random, observations, GUYS.

1527
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 5: Jd i've really enjoyed the structure of the, show like the,

1528
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 5: flashbacks you, know going back and then back to the

1529
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 5: present season the quote unquote present. Season but now that

1530
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 5: the past is catching up with the, PRESENT i am

1531
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 5: getting a little confused Because rodman, is oh new Guy

1532
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 5: rodman is, Here like didn't we meet him four episodes

1533
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 5: ago and and all. That but so that's, uh that's

1534
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 5: sort of a flaw in the construction how they're how

1535
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 5: the past is meeting the. Present But i'm fine with it.

1536
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 5: Totally BUT i as a casual, FAN i did get

1537
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 5: a little confused. THERE i also want a quick fact

1538
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 5: check On Reggie Miller. Lee you mentioned it. Earlier he

1539
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:09,839
Speaker 5: Compared jordan to a. Vampire vampires sleep all. Day, okay

1540
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 5: they stay all and they sleep all. Day so that

1541
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 5: is just a terrible. Comparison call him the terminator or

1542
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 5: a machine or something something that never, sleeps but. Vampire, NOW.

1543
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't think a vampire would do well out on

1544
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: the golf course for eighteen holes either this glaring. Sun but,

1545
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: okay that's a that's a great point task.

1546
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: Anything and the vampire just got voted off the island

1547
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: and survivor, Right oh, yes Seeing nikki beginning of episode.

1548
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 2: Seven ACTUALLY i didn't Mention Michael jordan said he was

1549
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: suspended three times in the ninth grade before his dad

1550
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: straightened him, out and he never got into trouble. Again

1551
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: three times in one. Year that's that's a. Lot or either, say,

1552
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: yeah he didn't say what? For, oh that's WHAT i,

1553
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: Need that's WHAT i need to give us a little.

1554
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: Juice three times you're hitting hitting the three balls, there

1555
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: that's that's no. Joke. YEAH i would have loved to

1556
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: hear about.

1557
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: That, yeah and THEN i love That James jordan's threat

1558
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: to get him back in line is, well you're not

1559
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: playing sports unless you go to. School he's, like, okay. Done,

1560
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah i've seen my Buddy griss do that with his

1561
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: young Son andreas many of.

1562
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 5: Times you gotta know your kids.

1563
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: Currency, yep, yep you're not playing baseball. Tomorrow you're not

1564
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: shooting the basket. Ballamore and then, wow yeah he you,

1565
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: know he'll he'll stop whining or he'll do whatever he

1566
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: needs to, do putting the toys away very very. Quickly that's, Right,

1567
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: jada he's got another.

1568
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 5: Currency, well one more quick point about about more. Information

1569
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 5: as a casual, fan we at the episode, seven we

1570
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 5: saw a lot or we heard a lot From jordan

1571
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 5: as to why he wanted to, retire why he wanted

1572
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 5: to step away from the game and all. That but

1573
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 5: when he comes back from, baseball, LIKE i understand that

1574
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 5: there's a strike, happening AND i understand it he he missed.

1575
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 5: BASKETBALL i am, assuming but we never actually hear From

1576
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 5: jordan himself SAY i needed to get back into the,

1577
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 5: game OR i was sucking hard at basketball or at,

1578
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 5: baseball do you know WHAT i? Mean, like he never

1579
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 5: actually says why he wanted to leave but leave baseball

1580
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 5: and go back to, basketball although, yes it's very, obvious

1581
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 5: BUT i would have liked to hear him talk about

1582
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,919
Speaker 5: that a little more in the, Documentary.

1583
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, right or even, yeah even the sense like if

1584
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: baseball was therapeutic to him after the losing or losing his,

1585
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: father like that he had come to terms with the

1586
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: loss right and was ready to go. Back, yeah, YEAH

1587
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: i mean it.

1588
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 5: Was he kind of reminded me Of kramer going To

1589
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 5: Mickey mantle baseball, camp you know WHAT i, Mean like

1590
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 5: it was it was such a huge diversion in something

1591
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 5: totally outside of his comfort, zone and it was like

1592
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 5: going to, camp, Right like it was a vacation for.

1593
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 5: Him AND i get, that BUT i kind of wanted

1594
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 5: him to hear him talk about that a little bit

1595
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 5: more about leaving baseball going back to. Basketball.

1596
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, WELL i guess the conspiracy theorists will say that

1597
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: the suspension was, over that he was welcome to come.

1598
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: BACK i think Maybe simmons has talked about, it and

1599
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: they don't bring it up in the show at, all

1600
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: That jordan saw the landscape of the league at that

1601
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: time and saw like an opening to the possibility of

1602
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: like winning a couple more. CHAMPIONSHIPS i have no idea

1603
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: if that's true at, all but like just looking at

1604
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: where the league was and like maybe if it was

1605
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: diluted a little, bit or it wasn't sort of this

1606
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: powerhouse looking sort of, team that he felt like he

1607
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: could sort of get back in there and win a

1608
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: couple of more. CHIPS i, MEAN i feel like he

1609
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: would think that way, Anyway, Right why Would jordan be

1610
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: scared of any team having already had success in THE.

1611
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: Nba but maybe there's something to that, Too but you're,

1612
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: right didn't Have they didn't include that at. Least so

1613
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: we only have two episodes. Left that's, It and you're,

1614
01:16:55,439 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: Right jad the timelines are converging here because we're getting

1615
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: the one in the past with the one of THE i,

1616
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: MEAN i say, present but of the season that we're

1617
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: chronicling are getting very very, close And i'm sure they're

1618
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: going to sort of merge into. One right for episode,

1619
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: TEN i would Assume yeap is what's gonna. Happen but

1620
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: let's hear what you guys thought of the last two.

1621
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: Episodes we just broke them. Down email Us No dunks

1622
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: at The athletic Dot, Com tweet at us At No, Dunks.

1623
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: Inc we're you a fan of those? Two are they your?

1624
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: Favorites didn't like something about? Them let's hear from, you.

1625
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: Guys we're staring down the barrel of another great week

1626
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: Of No dunks. Podcasts later, today we're gonna hit you

1627
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: with a brand NEW nba news. Roundup we're gonna really

1628
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 1: focus On Commissioner Silver's friday phone call with The Players

1629
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: association and where we currently stand with the possibility of

1630
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: re starting up the. Season we got some plans to

1631
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: hit you with a New squad. Episode we're starting to

1632
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: work on. That we had some great ideas sent in

1633
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: from you guys out, there so one in particular we

1634
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: really liked starting to formulate, that so hopefully we'll get

1635
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: going on. That One, wednesday we're hitting the beach to

1636
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: answer your questions and. Comments day we head to our

1637
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: Final No Buffs Tribal council to recap the last episode

1638
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: Of Survivor winners At.

1639
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: War you think our episode's gonna be three hours that.

1640
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: Day how long will it? Be? Yeah we got the

1641
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: three hour finale On wednesday night and then no. Buffs, yeah,

1642
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: TESK i don't know what do we said? It? That

1643
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: will it?

1644
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 3: Be?

1645
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: Uh will we hit two? Hours? YEAH i don't.

1646
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 3: Think so let's do a ten part series on the final, episode.

1647
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: The Last Tribal, count and On, friday we're gonna have

1648
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: a brand new film. Session that's the plan at least right.

1649
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: Now still figuring out what basketball movie to watch and.

1650
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 1: Discuss so if you have, SUGGESTIONS i, know we tweeted

1651
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: out asking for some. Suggestions we got a lot of.

1652
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: Them let us know At No Dunk. Sync is there

1653
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,520
Speaker 1: a movie out, There, genie do you have a particular

1654
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: basketball movie you would like to.

1655
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 5: TACKLE i am very curious about The Steven. Soderberg what is?

1656
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: It it's, yeah that's. It that's.

1657
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 5: It it's shot on iPhones and uh, Yeah i'm into.

1658
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 5: That but you, KNOW i mean whatever that are high school?

1659
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: Musical oh yeah? Yeah, Okay, well well we gotta make your.

1660
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: Decision there's no shortage of basketball movies for us to,

1661
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 1: tackle so we'll pick one in the coming days and

1662
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: let you know so you guys can watch it with

1663
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: us in the lead up to film. Session all, Right Clipper,

1664
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: rose you heard it here, first have a great, time turn.

1665
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: Up love you guys, awesome.

1666
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining. Us and, remember in the words Of Will,

1667
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 2: purdue let's not get it. Wrong he was an. Asshole

1668
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 2: he was a. Jerk he crossed the line numerous. Times

1669
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 2: but as time goes on and you think back about

1670
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: what he was actually trying to, accomplish you're, like, yeah

1671
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 2: he was a hell of a.

1672
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 1: Teammate embrace the, day, people.

1673
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 5: You could stay every.

1674
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: Day, dad you happy every. Minute it's done so long that, way.

1675
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 2: It's happened, Already it's gonna be.

1676
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 5: Good reas