Speaker 1: Alright, alright, alright, what's good? What's popping you already? Now
Speaker 1: as usual, Welcome to my show. I am a made.
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Speaker 1: talking about harassment at the workplace. My guest, oh my god.
Speaker 1: First of all, she's black, she's beautiful, she's a boss,
Speaker 1: she is well educated, well spoken. I just love having
Speaker 1: these type of guests because I feel like it's so
Speaker 1: empowering when we see other women, um that are strong
Speaker 1: and are empowering and educating and showing other women that
Speaker 1: we can be brave, we can be strong, not to
Speaker 1: be afraid. Today my guests wrote a book and it's
Speaker 1: called Staying in the Game, the Playbook, the Playbook for
Speaker 1: beating workplace sexual harassment. Welcome to the show, Adrian Lawrence,
Speaker 1: my love, how are you. I'm doing pretty good. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me. Of course, most definitely,
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to ask you what surely
Speaker 1: inspired you to like not just go through the experience
Speaker 1: and not be a victim per se, but be the
Speaker 1: voice and and do a book where women can feel
Speaker 1: inspired that and know that they're not by themselves in
Speaker 1: these type of situations. Well, it's you know, being an attorney,
Speaker 1: I knew the law in terms of sexual harassment, but
Speaker 1: it's completely different when you're actually in those situations and circumstances.
Speaker 1: So when I went looking for help after finding myself
Speaker 1: in a workplace sexual harassment situation and I'm fearing losing
Speaker 1: my job, and I go looking to books for answers,
Speaker 1: all I was getting was essentially these memoirs from largely
Speaker 1: white women who I couldn't relate to that we're just
Speaker 1: telling me their story, and then legal books. And so
Speaker 1: I wanted a book out there that would actually tell
Speaker 1: me what to do practically, what can I do to
Speaker 1: keep my job, kind of serve my income, my economic independence,
Speaker 1: and fight back against this. And so I ended up
Speaker 1: having to go out and write the book myself. This
Speaker 1: is so crazy because I feel like I personally have
Speaker 1: experienced it. Um. Like I said, I know many many
Speaker 1: women that have. But why do you feel that women
Speaker 1: are so afraid to be open and express and say
Speaker 1: this is really what's happening in my job or in
Speaker 1: my environment, whatever the case may be. In part because
Speaker 1: our society often will punish you for it. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: as we women often still get the well, what were
Speaker 1: you wearing? What did you do? As opposed to that
Speaker 1: person is in the wrong and you deserve better, And
Speaker 1: so our society is still evolving to not do this
Speaker 1: whole You're lucky to be here to women in the workplace,
Speaker 1: and so until a lot of women realize that, they're
Speaker 1: not going to speak out because we've internalized a lot
Speaker 1: of that oppression ourselves. But I think when you're a boss,
Speaker 1: you're a strong woman. You worked for what you've got,
Speaker 1: You've on to school, you've done everything you needed to do.
Speaker 1: The last thing you want to be is in a
Speaker 1: situation where somebody's going to try to take that away
Speaker 1: from you simply because you're unwilling to, you know, play
Speaker 1: the sexual prize for them. Have you also heard this
Speaker 1: coming from the queer community or have you heard any
Speaker 1: cases which makes me, you know, curious when it comes
Speaker 1: to men as well, Yeah, big time. Um. In my
Speaker 1: book Staying in a Game, I address a lot of
Speaker 1: issues that impact the l g B, t q I
Speaker 1: plus community, uh, in part because when we look at
Speaker 1: what sexual grassment is, it's really about subjugation. It's about
Speaker 1: the fact that you don't adhere to traditional gender norms, roles,
Speaker 1: and so the l g LGBTQ community, queer community tends
Speaker 1: to find themselves the most at the receiving end. Also
Speaker 1: because like a lot of racial minorities, UH, individuals of
Speaker 1: the queer community are essentially considered marginalized. So that will
Speaker 1: make you essentially put you in a position where people
Speaker 1: will see you as an easy target. And also the
Speaker 1: aspect of that of being hyper sexualized. There are so
Speaker 1: many dynamics in our society that make it so that
Speaker 1: people are ultimately pushed out of the workplace or they're
Speaker 1: put in situations in which they have to make these
Speaker 1: difficult decisions between their economic independence and essentially their dignity,
Speaker 1: and that's not all right. Oh my god, I just
Speaker 1: loved I just love hearing your voice. First of all, like,
Speaker 1: not for nothing, can you guys go to my YouTube
Speaker 1: channel exactly a Mata and check her out. She is
Speaker 1: so beautiful and I just love the way that she
Speaker 1: talks and she makes me feel so confident, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like if I were to be going into a
Speaker 1: situation right now and I haven't even read the book yet,
Speaker 1: I really need a copy right now because it's important
Speaker 1: for me to be educated, so like this, I can
Speaker 1: help out other fellow females that are in the workplace
Speaker 1: that need of my assistance. UM So, guys, most definitely
Speaker 1: go check out go check out her book because there
Speaker 1: you can really get the whole four War one. So
Speaker 1: here's another thing too write, Like, I feel like employees
Speaker 1: don't know the difference you know between the sexual harassment,
Speaker 1: like like, oh, it's just a joke, you know, when
Speaker 1: they're trying to make them jokes that and you don't
Speaker 1: know the difference. You don't have to laugh or feel
Speaker 1: like did you just try me right now? How do
Speaker 1: you know the difference? When do you know how to
Speaker 1: stop it? How do you stop it without feeling like damn,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that that was too much, because
Speaker 1: you do, even if you're at your workplace or even
Speaker 1: if it's your boss, you need to have boundaries and
Speaker 1: let them know. Listen, I came here to work, I
Speaker 1: came here to get my you know, do what I
Speaker 1: gotta do, and here's my boundary them type of jokes.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what we ain't gone stip. So how
Speaker 1: do we know the difference between a joke and sexual harassment?
Speaker 1: All right? So I like to say, there ain't no
Speaker 1: jokes when it comes to my oppression or subjugation. Like
Speaker 1: that might be a giggle for you, but it don't
Speaker 1: work for me. And so when it's a problem, you
Speaker 1: trust your instincts. How do you feel you have to
Speaker 1: listen to that still small voice inside. If it makes
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, even for a hot minute, you got a problem.
Speaker 1: And the important part is you need to a bit
Speaker 1: in the bud immediately, because what that person is doing,
Speaker 1: is you've noted, is they're testing your boundaries. They're pushing
Speaker 1: you a little further, They're seeing how far can I get.
Speaker 1: Because the thing that a lot of people forget is
Speaker 1: that workplace sexual harassment all that is is like gender
Speaker 1: traditional role based bullying. The person is essentially saying, in
Speaker 1: some way, you don't adhere to the traditional gender roles
Speaker 1: or norms, and so what I'm gonna do is try
Speaker 1: to put you in your place, try to get you
Speaker 1: to play small. And so that's what that person is doing.
Speaker 1: They're feeding a little bit off of you feeling uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And so the moment you feel uncomfortable, that is when
Speaker 1: you nip it in the bud. That's when you say
Speaker 1: what's up, because otherwise the person will continue to do
Speaker 1: it and it's just gonna get worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 1: It is not a one off, It is a behavior.
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes a lot of women and a
Speaker 1: lot of men can be confused and not necessarily know
Speaker 1: exactly what sexual harassment is and just uh automatically assumed
Speaker 1: the sexual harassment is just a physical action, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they touched my butt, sexual harassment. Verbally their sexual harassment
Speaker 1: as well. Can you give us a couple of examples
Speaker 1: of what is considered sexual harassment? Al right, so you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Sexual harassment. You know, it's what they call
Speaker 1: a misnomer. It really kind of misleads you because most
Speaker 1: people think it has to involve something sexual. That is
Speaker 1: not the case. It takes on a wide variety of
Speaker 1: different non sexual forms like hostile behavior, physical assaults, patronizing you,
Speaker 1: denying you information and access to its, sabotaging your work.
Speaker 1: Why the real kind of thing behind sexual harassment is
Speaker 1: the motive. What is the channels this person is using.
Speaker 1: And for example, there are three types of sexual harassment,
Speaker 1: gender harassment, unwanted sexual attention, and sexual coersion. Gender harassment
Speaker 1: that's like sexist remarks, behavior, gender based bullying. Those are
Speaker 1: like you know, putting a porn in the office, having
Speaker 1: conversations about someone's you know, never region, teasing and those
Speaker 1: quote unquote jokes. And then that unwanted sexual attention that's
Speaker 1: that inappropriate, offensive sexual advances, sexual assaults, touching email, suggestive, uh,
Speaker 1: like coming on to you physically. And then that sexual
Speaker 1: coercion that's that you know, kind of forcing someone to say, hey,
Speaker 1: if you want to keep your job, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you'll give me a little ahead, or pressuring somebody for favors.
Speaker 1: And so the thing is a lot of people think
Speaker 1: it has to involve sex. It doesn't necessarily need to
Speaker 1: involve something sexual. Someone may mistreat you and it's gender based,
Speaker 1: and it's because as a woman, maybe you're a little
Speaker 1: too assertive or a little too independent, little too confident.
Speaker 1: That would technically be considered sexual harassment. Because it's sex
Speaker 1: based harassment. You're being mistreated because maybe you don't confirm
Speaker 1: conform to those traditional gender roles. So we got to
Speaker 1: keep this in mind because so many people think they've
Speaker 1: never experienced work play sexual harassment. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: as long as someone is threatened by your very existence
Speaker 1: or how you run your game. You've been at the
Speaker 1: receiving end of it, or for some reason, maybe you
Speaker 1: don't fit those traditional gender roles. You're a dude out
Speaker 1: there who has a kid and goes on fraternity leave,
Speaker 1: and the buddies in the workplace, you know, decided to yuck, yuck,
Speaker 1: yuck and give you heat for it. That is sexual harassment.
Speaker 1: You've got to know that these things are so much broader,
Speaker 1: not only because it impacts your legal rights in the
Speaker 1: event that you end up having to leave that workplace,
Speaker 1: but also because you need to know how to combat it.
Speaker 1: That is so crazy. See, that's what I'm saying. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are just misinformed and don't know, like um,
Speaker 1: and then they're also afraid because I know in a
Speaker 1: lot of situations, I know a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are financially let's say they work for a big corporation
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they're like, yeah, I've been sexually assaulted
Speaker 1: or I've been sexually harassed by my boss or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I financially don't have you know, I don't have
Speaker 1: the money to get an atorney to fight this big
Speaker 1: core operration. Or this person. You know, I might as
Speaker 1: well just stay quiet and not say anything, because what
Speaker 1: am I going to do in those cases? If you're
Speaker 1: financially um not necessarily prepared to get an attorney to
Speaker 1: fight for you, what should you do? How should you
Speaker 1: go about it? All? Right? So that's also in part
Speaker 1: why I wrote my book because being an attorney, I
Speaker 1: can tell you essentially how to build your case and
Speaker 1: make your case, because the last thing you want is
Speaker 1: when you finally decide to stand up sue where you
Speaker 1: want to do something about it. You didn't preserve any evidence,
Speaker 1: You have no documents, it's completely in the territory if
Speaker 1: he said, she said, So, my book tells you exactly
Speaker 1: what you need to do leading up so that you
Speaker 1: can get an attorney, because a lot of attorneys work
Speaker 1: on contingency fees, so that means you don't got to
Speaker 1: pay them nothing. They're just gonna take maybe a third
Speaker 1: of whatever your recovery is. But you are best positioned
Speaker 1: to show up to an attorney if you are prepared,
Speaker 1: because again, you don't want to be in that he said,
Speaker 1: she said, territory. Where did you have it against them?
Speaker 1: How does it happened? Because a lot of times is that,
Speaker 1: he says, she say, or I'm gonna say it on
Speaker 1: the low ecod of my office real quick. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, boom, whatever the case may be. And
Speaker 1: then how do you say unless you have a phone
Speaker 1: and you're recording. But then I've heard a lot of
Speaker 1: times because this is all this all comes out of
Speaker 1: ignorance because we don't we don't know. Um, you know, Oh,
Speaker 1: you can't use the recording because that person didn't know
Speaker 1: that you were recording them or whatever. There's no cameras.
Speaker 1: How do I prove that you harassed me if nobody
Speaker 1: else is willing to testify or say anything at the
Speaker 1: workplace because anybody trying to cast that heat. Um, And
Speaker 1: then you just feel like you're left alone. Yeah, girl,
Speaker 1: that is why I wrote my book, because I got
Speaker 1: all the tricks of the trade and all the ways
Speaker 1: in which you can do it to remove it from that,
Speaker 1: he said, She said, territory. There are ways to work
Speaker 1: around it so that you are air tight. So if
Speaker 1: you've got to come back in a year, two years,
Speaker 1: whatever months, or even ten years, as we've seen a
Speaker 1: lot in this me Too movement, you will have documentation
Speaker 1: that's that really supports it substantiate what you are saying.
Speaker 1: And there are ways in which, uh, these people out
Speaker 1: here who are harassed, I call them harass holes. When
Speaker 1: these harass holes come at you, there are ways in
Speaker 1: which you can get it documented. Uh. And my my
Speaker 1: thickest chapter in here, and the book isn't that long
Speaker 1: at all, and I keep it very you know, easy
Speaker 1: to understand and read. My biggest chapter is called Keeping Receipts,
Speaker 1: because that's what it's about, keeping them receipts, and how
Speaker 1: you can create receipts so you don't end up in
Speaker 1: that he said, she said, territory. It's all about knowing
Speaker 1: how to be prepared. And something I'll also mentioned on
Speaker 1: this where people might think that, um, oh, well, because
Speaker 1: most people are kind of it's an arrogance. They think, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be sexually harass believing you are. But
Speaker 1: also the great part about my book is that you
Speaker 1: can use any of these tactics and techniques, uh to
Speaker 1: address any kind of bias. If you're in the workplace
Speaker 1: and someone's acting racist or whatnot, you know how to
Speaker 1: keep receipts. Now, so that now I have a strong
Speaker 1: case in the event that I have to leave, because
Speaker 1: you have so many more options of of than just
Speaker 1: suing like that, most people don't sue. What you can do, though,
Speaker 1: is get a lawyer and maybe you get a real
Speaker 1: good severance. You got a great review leaving, so they
Speaker 1: can't be out there slanner and your good name and
Speaker 1: all your hard work. Maybe how many people out there?
Speaker 1: How many people is out there trying to get a
Speaker 1: review as the people are here first of all the pandemic,
Speaker 1: the people is out here trying to get these coins,
Speaker 1: So like you, nobody's try to be like, oh, you
Speaker 1: know what, I want to leave because you said you
Speaker 1: harazing whatever. Just give me a good review. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: give me a review and give me them coins. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you don't want people out in the streets saying
Speaker 1: bad things about you, So if you get kind of
Speaker 1: that agreement in there so that they can't ruin your
Speaker 1: future when you're going to other jobs. But oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I get the coins to without a doubt. But having
Speaker 1: somebody who can negotiate and you can get a good
Speaker 1: severance walk away that that's where it's at. But it
Speaker 1: all will depend on what do you have to offer
Speaker 1: because your word against their word, it ain't gonna hold up.
Speaker 1: So you have to be prepared to run. And also
Speaker 1: something that I think is really smart that my books
Speaker 1: teaches you as well, because men of color generally are
Speaker 1: accused of sexual harassment at higher rates, because men of
Speaker 1: color are generally subject to hyper sexualization and stereotypes associated
Speaker 1: with uh sexual harassment. And thus when you suffer false
Speaker 1: accusations that are based on essentially racist notions, you got
Speaker 1: to be prepared as well. And so my book tells
Speaker 1: you how to be prepared so that you don't end
Speaker 1: up in a situation where maybe you get fired because
Speaker 1: you know, some some woman thought you were looking at
Speaker 1: her the wrong way, and then you have no recourse whatsoever,
Speaker 1: and that's following you the rest of your career. You
Speaker 1: have to be prepared, especially minorities, Lain Morena. You know
Speaker 1: my black people, my Latino people, in indigenous people, all
Speaker 1: my minorities, not for nothing. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: Stop thinking this is a joke. And this goes for
Speaker 1: women as well. Let me tell you something, especially now
Speaker 1: that we're in where everybody's out about my bag. This
Speaker 1: is that whatever with all due respect, peace, and love
Speaker 1: to the universe. But we still live in a world
Speaker 1: where race is still an issue. Right, So, if you
Speaker 1: have a boss that is Caucasian, for example, and you
Speaker 1: are black, dark skin, and you see them looking at
Speaker 1: you some type of way, or you already know the
Speaker 1: intention because you'll be knowing a lot of times we
Speaker 1: know what they're trying to do. You know when they're
Speaker 1: looking at you, but you're trying to act like, don't
Speaker 1: play with it. Do not play with it, because you
Speaker 1: don't know how that story can end. It could be
Speaker 1: a very it could be a love fairy tale where
Speaker 1: you guys, oh, the employee and the boss ended up
Speaker 1: together and they live the happy ever. Okay, great, but
Speaker 1: the possibilities that's gonna happen. It ain't gonna happen all
Speaker 1: the time. And if you go out there and let's
Speaker 1: say you decide to date your boss, you decide today
Speaker 1: whoever it is that you know was flirting with you
Speaker 1: at your workplace or whatever, and things don't work out,
Speaker 1: things can go south real quick. You end up in
Speaker 1: a space where now you feel they used me. No,
Speaker 1: they didn't necessarily used you. You chose to participate. Now
Speaker 1: you feel used or now you feel abused, or now
Speaker 1: you feel whatever type of way, just business and pleasure.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of mixing it. I don't think
Speaker 1: that you should. And that goes for everybody, especially we're
Speaker 1: all grown, we're adults. For those that are, you know better.
Speaker 1: Now here's something else that I do want to know.
Speaker 1: So for those that still may not get it, when
Speaker 1: you say harassment at the workplace, what about if the
Speaker 1: harassment is happening outside of workplace, Like let's say you know,
Speaker 1: this is my coworker or whatever, we see each other
Speaker 1: outside in the supermarket, any other place. Do they can
Speaker 1: they still? Um? How does that work? Because I know
Speaker 1: that's like a very thin line, like we work together,
Speaker 1: but the harassment didn't necessarily happen at the workplace. Does
Speaker 1: that still count? Okay? So what we want to do
Speaker 1: is separate legal conversation from kind of just behavioral sociological conversation.
Speaker 1: And so when we look just at sociology, yeah, workplace
Speaker 1: sexual harassment, that largely means that somebody in your professional world,
Speaker 1: who you know professionally is essentially trying to make you
Speaker 1: play small, minimizing you using gender traditional roles, sex based
Speaker 1: something of that nature. And so even if maybe you're
Speaker 1: out and you run into a mentor and that mentor
Speaker 1: decides to, you know, give you a breast exam, that's
Speaker 1: still workplace sexual harassment. Yeah, because sometimes I've I've thought
Speaker 1: of those things has happened to me, like for example,
Speaker 1: or I don't know, I've been at a show or
Speaker 1: a concert or whatever and they've tried to holler at me,
Speaker 1: you know, popular words out here. Um. But then we
Speaker 1: see each other somewhere else is not necessarily in that
Speaker 1: work space, and you're still harassing me. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if to consider this at the workplace. It's not
Speaker 1: at the workplace, but we work together, how does this work? Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't just think of it if you've got a
Speaker 1: professional relationship, because it's just like one of my colleagues
Speaker 1: hit me up through a Twitter, d M and coming
Speaker 1: on to me there. It's still the same because you know,
Speaker 1: especially now when you really think about it, because they're
Speaker 1: are no real boundaries. Were not in traditional workspaces and
Speaker 1: offices and cubicles anymore. We are everywhere. We're virtual. So
Speaker 1: we have to expand that definition and realize that if
Speaker 1: you are in my professional sphere, and you maybe you
Speaker 1: are putting me down because I don't adhere to traditional
Speaker 1: gender norms, or you're trying to holla, then yeah, we
Speaker 1: got a problem. Hey, that's such a bad point that
Speaker 1: you gave right now. I hadn't even thought about that,
Speaker 1: But that's so true now with everything that has happened,
Speaker 1: everybody's working from home. Um, you know, things have changed,
Speaker 1: but social media and these d M s and these
Speaker 1: emails and snapchats and all these fake accounts, that still counts. Guys,
Speaker 1: don't don't don't leave that out. That still counts as harassment.
Speaker 1: If they're slighting up in your d M, sending you
Speaker 1: freaky pictures, are asking for stuff or talking to you
Speaker 1: in some type of way, that still counts. Um, well,
Speaker 1: is there anything else that you feel that people really
Speaker 1: need to know that I may be missing out because
Speaker 1: this conversation can go on and on. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have so many questions, so many things in my mind.
Speaker 1: But what are some of the top three things that
Speaker 1: you feel that people really need to know about harassment?
Speaker 1: When people need to know that it's not about sex,
Speaker 1: it's not about sex. Drive you can get sex anywhere nowadays,
Speaker 1: you can get your sexual gratification on it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with that. This is about power. This is
Speaker 1: about preserving traditional gender roles, about preserving that sense of
Speaker 1: power structure, male dominance. Who gets to call the shots,
Speaker 1: limit the opportunities for others. This is a form of bullying.
Speaker 1: And you know, because when we really think about it,
Speaker 1: the fact is that your position in the workforce and
Speaker 1: what you do that will impact your economic power, and
Speaker 1: the more economic power you have it bolsters you in society,
Speaker 1: more things you can do. And the fact is that
Speaker 1: men have been the ones with the vast majority of
Speaker 1: economic power because they've been in the workforce, and thus
Speaker 1: they could control our destinies. And so you have a
Speaker 1: lot of men out there or who will sexually harass
Speaker 1: women to push them out of the workforce sexually or
Speaker 1: ass other men who don't fit that traditional gender role
Speaker 1: of what men traditionally should be. And they're doing that
Speaker 1: because they're trying to reinforce this traditional power structure that's
Speaker 1: kept men in power, and they cannot risk having essentially
Speaker 1: other men out there with just more equitable mindsets and
Speaker 1: who are treating all women fairly and actually you know,
Speaker 1: just doing right. And also the second thing I think
Speaker 1: people need to bear in mind is that, Um, you
Speaker 1: know they know that. When I say they, I mean sociologist, scientists,
Speaker 1: people who study this know how to end sexual harassment
Speaker 1: your employer, your workplace. People know how to end it,
Speaker 1: how to prevent it. It's completely preventable. The fact is
Speaker 1: that they're not doing anything maybe to fight it, because hey,
Speaker 1: we've got to remember that these companies, they're just small,
Speaker 1: little microcosms representations of the larger society, and our society
Speaker 1: uplifts white male patriarchy and so hey, it's one of
Speaker 1: the ways in which you can control, dominate, keep the
Speaker 1: power structures in place. So that's generally why it doesn't
Speaker 1: get addressed. But the good thing is and knowing that
Speaker 1: there's a way you can fight it. You have all
Speaker 1: the answers, and that's what I did and putting them
Speaker 1: in my book. And I guess lastly, you know it's
Speaker 1: important to bear in mind. Again it's not I I
Speaker 1: gotta say this more than once. It's just not about sex.
Speaker 1: And generally when it comes to women, the individuals who
Speaker 1: are targeted the most. Um, I list out the various
Speaker 1: things that trades you might have that make you more
Speaker 1: likely to be targeted, whether if you have um a
Speaker 1: boss mentality, Yeah, if you essentially, if you're confident, if
Speaker 1: you're assertive, if you're independent as a woman, that's like
Speaker 1: a tray out of things that essentially make you an
Speaker 1: easy target because these people want to put you in
Speaker 1: your place. If you're in a traditionally male career area,
Speaker 1: line of work, if you happen to be book smart, uh,
Speaker 1: if you are a single lady, that can be a problem.
Speaker 1: It is true though, I can definitely imagine that obviously,
Speaker 1: if you have, you know, a boss energy, if you're
Speaker 1: well educated, if they feel intimidated by you, and all
Speaker 1: these things can be reasons why they can be like you. Specifically,
Speaker 1: you know you're my target, but overall, don't think like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just like this simple nerdy that nobody's gonna come
Speaker 1: for me. You don't know that. You don't know that.
Speaker 1: That's why you need to be prepared in every single aspect.
Speaker 1: And the most important part from everything that I've heard
Speaker 1: amongst many you know good things, is to have your receipts.
Speaker 1: You really need to have proof so it doesn't become
Speaker 1: he says, She's say, that's why you need to get
Speaker 1: her book. Where can they purchase your book? Um? Is
Speaker 1: this one of many to come? Are you gonna do
Speaker 1: like a part two? Perhaps? Yeah? Um, after this whole
Speaker 1: pandemic passes, that's for sure. It's been a day, but
Speaker 1: staying in the game. The Playbook for Beating Workplace Sexual Harassment.
Speaker 1: It's available everywhere books are sold. It's on sale at Amazon.
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate enough to have won three book awards. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's you think you're gonna find it. It's very it's
Speaker 1: very chill. It's a lot chilling. Then I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people anticipated. And it's not one of those
Speaker 1: memoir books. Uh. It has really, you know, fun and
Speaker 1: interesting stories in it, but it's largely I just keep
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