Speaker 1: Another day, another dot. I mean icon graces our presence.
Speaker 2: How many are we up to? Now?
Speaker 1: It's not about the numbers, my little Henny. It's about
Speaker 1: the impact the memories we are leaving.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, wait wait, I'm not talking about followers. I
Speaker 3: meant icons. How many oh five papes?
Speaker 2: This time?
Speaker 1: Estoyaki gerendo algando.
Speaker 3: I can't sing that fast in Spanish, I can't talk
Speaker 3: that fast, but I will say that your audition tape
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Speaker 1: our podcast My Day is Coming Baby.
Speaker 3: We're tackling the life and times of someone who can
Speaker 3: only be defined by one name, too many hits to
Speaker 3: count and three syllables. Shot, one of the most influential
Speaker 3: singers to popularize Latin music.
Speaker 1: Worldwide, aka the Queen of Latin music.
Speaker 3: Sh don't tell the other icons cow maybe knowing I'm
Speaker 3: not saying, you're lying. Shakiras influenced so many and that's
Speaker 3: why Joseph and I are going to take you through
Speaker 3: the different errors of Shaiki Da, peeling back the layers
Speaker 3: to find out who the girl from Barankia really.
Speaker 1: Is AKA listing all the ways she was too good
Speaker 1: for PK.
Speaker 3: I'm your host Lilianavoscaz and I'm Joseph Carrio and this
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Speaker 3: you the rundown on how today's most famous LATINV stars
Speaker 3: have shaped pop culture.
Speaker 2: And given the world some extra level Sit back and
Speaker 2: get comfortable, because we are going in the.
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Speaker 3: lot of opinions as we relive their greatest achievements on
Speaker 3: our journey to find out what makes them so iconic.
Speaker 1: Those Did you know that Colombia has four freaking a thousand.
Speaker 2: Species of orchids? No?
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: It actually makes it the most biodiverse universe in Zemunda.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: And get this, it's the most musically diverse country in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 3: Okay, now you're back on theme. So naturally that makes
Speaker 3: you think of Sofia Vergara. No for a modern family,
Speaker 3: but why well, okay, you know what stops stop stop, stop, tada.
Speaker 3: That's going to take way too long. One more time,
Speaker 3: Try it again. What does it make you think of
Speaker 3: when I say Colombia Chaquida Yes, also known as Shakira
Speaker 3: Isabel Mebarik Ripoli.
Speaker 1: Born in Barankia, Colombia, on February tewod of nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 1: which I mean like nine thirty and ten.
Speaker 2: How do you know all of this? Mindy dot?
Speaker 1: Chris Jenner works hard, but I work harder. So that
Speaker 1: makes her an Aquarius sun a cancer moon. Plus her
Speaker 1: rising sign is an aries. Ooh girl, it's passion, It's
Speaker 1: feisty and independent.
Speaker 2: There is a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 1: I'm totally psychoanalyzing her heart right now, but in a
Speaker 1: good way.
Speaker 3: And honestly, the best way to get to know Shakida
Speaker 3: is diving deep into her roots.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a good call, because last time I
Speaker 1: saw her, I was thinking that Mama needed a little
Speaker 1: touch up for real.
Speaker 2: I meant her upbringing. But sometimes her hair, yes too.
Speaker 3: And for all we know about her, she only lets
Speaker 3: us know what she wants us to know, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's how I am with my new prospects, like will
Speaker 1: my name be Joseph tomorrow? Will my number change?
Speaker 2: Like? Only time will.
Speaker 3: Tell what's not to love about Shaki dak And there's
Speaker 3: so many things her musick, her style, the hair, the hips,
Speaker 3: the leather the braids.
Speaker 2: Back to the basics. Shakina was born in Barankia. That's
Speaker 2: why they have a statue of her there. You saw
Speaker 2: the statue.
Speaker 3: It's fifteen feet tall, six tons and actually does it
Speaker 3: look anything like her?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It looks more like a unsculpted Steven Tyler.
Speaker 2: Is that redundant? Yes?
Speaker 1: Steven Tyler has seen better days.
Speaker 2: I don't want to close my Joseph focus.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Shakida, right, Chekita. She's a diosa
Speaker 1: or a revered saint. If I'm being humble, I'll bite
Speaker 1: go on. Okay, there was an article in the Guardian.
Speaker 2: Oh you really said, mama, let's research.
Speaker 3: I love this new Joseph am I getting him the
Speaker 3: whole episode.
Speaker 1: It's from No You're Not Don't Get Carried Away. It's
Speaker 1: from two thousand and nine, but it stays relevant. Basically,
Speaker 1: Shakida's more than just a singer. She has killer tracks
Speaker 1: and she looks mighty fine and ninety nine point nine
Speaker 1: percent of the time minus roots.
Speaker 2: But this article puts it best. Can you actually read it?
Speaker 2: Little as I have to save my voice for the
Speaker 2: rest of the Shakida songs. Anything for you my love.
Speaker 2: It says she is seen as something.
Speaker 3: Of a saint in her own country. There are statues
Speaker 3: of her writhing. Teens love her for putting Latin American
Speaker 3: dance music around the world.
Speaker 2: Nuns revere her for building schools for orphans.
Speaker 1: The article then gets kind of weird with the writer
Speaker 1: totally thirsting for her, so we'll just leave it there.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I do say.
Speaker 1: The casa is a closeta Santa Shakira. Now you're wondering
Speaker 1: where am I going with.
Speaker 2: All of this now that you mention it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Shakida has managed somehow to remain humble in appearance
Speaker 1: and in actions. I think that's because of her journey
Speaker 1: through the ranks of the industry.
Speaker 2: Nicely dungeon so way to bring it back.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and don't expect to happen twice.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could find this weed anymore.
Speaker 2: I love you for trying.
Speaker 3: And remember, Shakina isn't just her average pop star. She
Speaker 3: puts thought and purpose into everything she puts out into
Speaker 3: the world. She's a poet, a literal poet who started
Speaker 3: writing poetry at the age of four. Shakina's father was
Speaker 3: a well known jeweler in Baranquilla, but he was also
Speaker 3: a writer. He would spend hours on his typewriter, and
Speaker 3: soon Shakida was writing on her own typewriter.
Speaker 2: Bitch, did you just go there a typewriter?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Do we even have to explain to the kids what
Speaker 1: a typewriter is?
Speaker 3: Well, since this isn't a video, I feel like I
Speaker 3: have to describe a typewriter kind of like I would
Speaker 3: a rotary phone. And I'm not really sure where to start,
Speaker 3: nor do I think we have enough time for that,
Speaker 3: So y'all get on Google and search. Soon Shakira was
Speaker 3: turning her poetry into lyrics, which we're not always the happiest.
Speaker 3: Shakindo was an only child, but she did have half siblings,
Speaker 3: which was only two her half brother passed away due
Speaker 3: to a motorcycle accident. This inspired her very first song,
Speaker 3: Who's Got Fassil Skudas, dedicated to her father and the
Speaker 3: grief he was going through.
Speaker 1: Because he was crying all the time, her father hid
Speaker 1: his red eyes from the world.
Speaker 2: I do that you've been wearing sunglasses this whole episode.
Speaker 1: Have you been said, Oh no, that's not why my
Speaker 1: eyes are red? Henny? Speaking of where is my luma
Speaker 1: fib But I love how you can still see how
Speaker 1: Shakida takes from everything around her and puts it into music.
Speaker 1: It's like her therapy.
Speaker 3: That's just what makes her an artist before she's a singer.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that all singers can be artists
Speaker 3: because they can't. Not going to name any names, but
Speaker 3: don't you think it's that artistry and that thoughtfulness in
Speaker 3: her lyrics and her composing that makes her such an icon.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I could see her words, I have the feeling, and
Speaker 1: I don't get that with a lot of songs.
Speaker 3: No, She's incredibly visual. When you listen to the song,
Speaker 3: it's playing a video in your head.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining whatever the fuck she's singing. I'm pretending that
Speaker 1: it's me, like I'm all greased up with Alexandro too.
Speaker 1: I think what also sets her apart is how she
Speaker 1: mixes genres and musical styles.
Speaker 2: Again, her dad's influence.
Speaker 1: Chequida is famously Colombian, but of Lebanese descent.
Speaker 3: Her dad's side of the family comes from Lebanon, while
Speaker 3: her mom's side has Catalan blood. Her family would frequent
Speaker 3: Middle Eastern restaurants throughout Barankia. It was there Shakida would
Speaker 3: let the music speak to her and climb on the
Speaker 3: tables when the music moved her to dance.
Speaker 1: Actual footage of me after three clause two Bockasota's and
Speaker 1: a few fireballs.
Speaker 3: It was out those restaurants that she learned the art
Speaker 3: of belly dancing.
Speaker 1: I actually learned it the arts of belly dancing and
Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale after seven tequila shots.
Speaker 2: That is not art. I have seen it firsthand. It's
Speaker 2: the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 3: Anyways, the dancers at the restaurants noticed how this little
Speaker 3: girl would mimic all of their movements, and soon they
Speaker 3: were showing her how to sway those hips.
Speaker 1: And now have beats hips. Don't lie, honey, it's her
Speaker 1: signature move.
Speaker 3: She was a poet and a dancer, so when she
Speaker 3: decided to take the next step and become a singer,
Speaker 3: her family had her back at her school.
Speaker 2: Check you to try it out for the school choir.
Speaker 2: Hey like our boy Benito, Yes, but unlike Benito, she
Speaker 2: was rejected. Okay, hold these mother freaking earrings. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go beat someone's ass. I know who were these fools?
Speaker 3: They didn't like the way she's sang and it was
Speaker 3: led by her music teacher. I thought teachers were supposed
Speaker 3: to support our children. What kind of person is this?
Speaker 2: I'm calling CPS. Yes, you're as needs to call that
Speaker 2: on Shakira's teacher. This woman had the audacity to say
Speaker 2: that Shakira sounded like a goat. I don't know what
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 3: I will say that Shakida has a really distinct sound,
Speaker 3: but that's what makes her so memorable. That's what makes
Speaker 3: you want to play the song and again and again
Speaker 3: and again, and when you hear the song makes you.
Speaker 2: Go, whoa, who is it that? Yeah? Her dad ignored
Speaker 2: the haters.
Speaker 3: He told her that she had exactly what it took
Speaker 3: to be a great vocalist and that she shouldn't give
Speaker 3: up on herself before giving it all she had. So
Speaker 3: she turned it into fuel.
Speaker 2: For her fire. And boy did she say, burn, baby, burn.
Speaker 1: Okay, y'all listening, don't let the haters get you down,
Speaker 1: let them fuel that ass up. Also, Gandhi said that
Speaker 1: Jesus wait or was that Gandy Jesus Joseph?
Speaker 2: Okay? No, I'm pretty sure with.
Speaker 3: Connie, Shakita had the love and support of her parents,
Speaker 3: so she had everything she needed to chase her dreams.
Speaker 1: This was a Cheeka that was getting kicked out of
Speaker 1: class for being quote unquote too hyperactive. Clearly, she wasn't
Speaker 1: the one to sit still and wait for an opportunity
Speaker 1: to fall on her lap.
Speaker 3: It was time to take Shakita on the road and
Speaker 3: make sure Badan Gilla would never.
Speaker 2: Forget her name.
Speaker 3: How old do you think Shakida was when she released
Speaker 3: her first.
Speaker 2: Album twenty one? Try Again? Thirteen? You read the script?
Speaker 3: Yes, for the first time in your life, you read
Speaker 3: the script.
Speaker 2: Joseph is right. She was thirteen.
Speaker 3: When she was only ten, Shakida was traveling around Barankilla
Speaker 3: attending local dance and talent competitions. She kind of became
Speaker 3: a little celebrity in her town, performing for anyone who
Speaker 3: would listen, and someone was Monica Arisa, they're still friends?
Speaker 2: What on? That's so cute? V cute?
Speaker 3: Monica was spotted at one of her concerts in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one. She was a local theater producer, but she
Speaker 3: knew Cido vadagas the executive of Sony Columbia at the time.
Speaker 3: Moni got convinced Shakira and most importantly, her parents to
Speaker 3: let her go to Bogata.
Speaker 2: To meet Sero.
Speaker 1: I'm checking this off from my icons checklist. Jayl left
Speaker 1: the Bronx, Bat Bunny left Bega Baja, and Ricky left
Speaker 1: the Island.
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, yes, you are one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2: There's a pattern here.
Speaker 1: You got to get out of your comfort zone.
Speaker 2: So did he budge?
Speaker 3: He did, and to fit her into his busy af schedule,
Speaker 3: they held an impromptu audition for Shaki in a hotel lobby.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Gaggerrie, but I've performed it worse.
Speaker 3: If you can perform in a hotel lobby on the
Speaker 3: spot like that, then you can kind of do it anywhere.
Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, hm, I have Vodagas liked our girl. But
Speaker 2: when he went back to the Sony office, he turned
Speaker 2: in Shaki's.
Speaker 3: Cassette how vintage and the label was hashtag. Not impressed,
Speaker 3: but Vodicaz didn't want to give up on her just yet.
Speaker 3: He gathered a bunch of people from Sony Columbia and
Speaker 3: surprised them with Shakita.
Speaker 2: See that's what I wanted you to do for Mike
Speaker 2: Wad and Danieta, but you didn't tell me that it
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been a surprise. Fair fair.
Speaker 3: Luckily for Shakida, the surprise did work out. She laid
Speaker 3: it all on the floor. She sang with her signature vibrato.
Speaker 3: She did the belly dancing.
Speaker 2: Ugh, all those old guys. Gross. She ended up signing
Speaker 2: a three album contract.
Speaker 1: Okay, less gross less gross?
Speaker 2: What do you think happens next? You get her to
Speaker 2: come to my next birthday party.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that iHeart does not have access to
Speaker 3: a PJ available for us, but maybe if we get
Speaker 3: the right sponsor.
Speaker 1: Just like my X, the lies tell me how I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to breathe with no air.
Speaker 3: She released her first LP, Mahya Mahya Magic.
Speaker 2: I swear I'd never heard of this album, honestly, same.
Speaker 3: I had to YouTube this shit to even know what
Speaker 3: we were going to be talking about. And let me
Speaker 3: just tell y'all, it is worth the search because Shaki
Speaker 3: is unrecognizable.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 1: It is early nineties, it's giving What was the name
Speaker 1: of that girl, Tiffany?
Speaker 2: Tiffany.
Speaker 1: It was a big nightighties hair and Shakita, you know,
Speaker 1: debuted with like a center part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and braids totally, But I think what struck me
Speaker 3: the most about the video is that the music.
Speaker 2: Is what it is like. It's not a banger.
Speaker 3: No one's singing the song, even like die hard Shuki
Speaker 3: Da fans are not like running around the world singing
Speaker 3: songs from Mahya.
Speaker 2: But the thing that stood out to.
Speaker 3: Me the most knowing her now is I think she
Speaker 3: looks older in Mahia than she does in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: Like she's Benjamin Button. She's like aging in reverse. What
Speaker 3: the hell happened to her? Who dressed this like teenager?
Speaker 3: Like a grown ass extra in Pretty Woman?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that visual for you guys listening, that
Speaker 1: visual is absolutely perfect.
Speaker 3: And listen, everyone has to have bumps along the road
Speaker 3: to success. But one good thing really did come out
Speaker 3: of this album. It meant that she attended the Vina
Speaker 3: Delmar International Song Festival, and even though she didn't win,
Speaker 3: that's where she met Ricky Martin.
Speaker 2: Who admitted he voted for her. Since Mahia was a bomb,
Speaker 2: her label took full control of her second album, Shakida
Speaker 2: had no say in Peligro, never heard of it.
Speaker 1: I'm literally channeling my inner Maria Carrie, and I.
Speaker 2: Don't know her. Nobody did okay.
Speaker 3: Well, people knew Shakida, but the album was a commercial failure.
Speaker 3: Shaki went back to being a teenager. She finished high school,
Speaker 3: starting a telenovela.
Speaker 1: Pause a rewind, play at telenovela.
Speaker 3: I need to see this, you and me both, but
Speaker 3: it's buried further down than the married men you see
Speaker 3: on the down low.
Speaker 2: Lo I miss Mario.
Speaker 1: Wait what happened to Oasis?
Speaker 2: Oh? You mean her soap opera?
Speaker 3: Well, in two thousand and two, Shaki was able to
Speaker 3: obtain the rights to Oassis, and she made sure it's
Speaker 3: never going to see the light of day again.
Speaker 1: Shakira low key shady making all this stuff disappear. I
Speaker 1: wonder what else she could make finish maybe my previous
Speaker 1: grander ships.
Speaker 3: I mean, she does have a talent for it. By
Speaker 3: the time Shakira finished high school, she had two failed
Speaker 3: albums and a dreadful soap opera under her belt. If
Speaker 3: she were any less determined, she might have called it quits.
Speaker 2: But we know our girl is hella determined.
Speaker 3: Some might even say that those early failures were a
Speaker 3: necessary evil, and after racking up a few l's, she
Speaker 3: went back to recording music.
Speaker 2: Remember, she still owed Sony another.
Speaker 3: Album, she gets another shot at becoming a superstar and
Speaker 3: we get her official debut album, PS the Sconsos.
Speaker 2: It was with this album.
Speaker 3: That she gained recognition across all of Latin America.
Speaker 1: Check it Out. Loses the curly pop persona and goes
Speaker 1: straight rock with a little pop and regaeton mixed in.
Speaker 2: The album was full of romance, love gained love.
Speaker 1: Lust, wanting, and longing. Our girl was feeling it all.
Speaker 2: You just played a little song for me. I did.
Speaker 3: It's right before we started recording the episode. So I
Speaker 3: have to ask you, because I think you that song
Speaker 3: is a moment on the album. Do you have a
Speaker 3: particular song that speaks to you the most?
Speaker 2: It's definitely, because I will tell you.
Speaker 1: I and from Alpasto textas like I keep saying, I
Speaker 1: had never heard reggae before, and it was the very
Speaker 1: first time I had heard reggae.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know it was reggae.
Speaker 1: I had heard that like Caribbean beat, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is really unique to my ears
Speaker 1: and I I gravitated toward.
Speaker 2: That song like so much.
Speaker 3: I wonder how how many other people who also I
Speaker 3: think predominantly grew up listening to Spanish music or Latin music,
Speaker 3: also felt their entree into reggae via Shakira. I mean
Speaker 3: musical genius and a hell, you might not be that special.
Speaker 2: What was your favorite I hate you? What was your
Speaker 2: favorite song? Yes? Are you going to sing a verse? No? No?
Speaker 3: I will say one thing about Shakita. Is you think
Speaker 3: that you can sing Shakita?
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't, like all of those girls that go
Speaker 3: up on karaoke night and try like just sit down,
Speaker 3: just sit down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't know where to finish it.
Speaker 3: It's just she has such a unique voice and a
Speaker 3: unique sound, and the way she pronounces word and her
Speaker 3: inflections and her speed and the change in tempo. It's impossible.
Speaker 3: Her sound is so distinct and so unique. That's I think,
Speaker 3: just the common thread through all the albums.
Speaker 2: It's just so good.
Speaker 3: Yes, This gun So sold over three million copies after
Speaker 3: its release, gaining popularity in the Latin, American, Asian and
Speaker 3: European markets. This gave Shakida the opportunity to go on
Speaker 3: tour for the first time. People wanted and needed to
Speaker 3: hear this album live.
Speaker 1: Remember how excited you were to hear your jam on
Speaker 1: the radio, like.
Speaker 2: When you were driving in the car with your parents,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, mommy, mommy, so much, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, people used to phone in and request songs on
Speaker 3: the radio.
Speaker 2: Delah, what a throwback, Delilah.
Speaker 1: And now we can scan bar codes and tip DJs
Speaker 1: to play our songs, like wait you can?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do that to play all my favorites.
Speaker 1: I just cheat and I'll tip like the ice scan
Speaker 1: a bar code, and I'll tip like five bucks to
Speaker 1: bump everybody's song off, because my songs are more important
Speaker 1: than everybody else's.
Speaker 2: Wait, am I eighty seven years old?
Speaker 3: You can tip DJs at a bar to play your
Speaker 3: song with.
Speaker 2: Cash on mo? Is this a new feature in bars
Speaker 2: that just happened in the last year? Maybe last three?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: I need to get out more. Actually no, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: last two.
Speaker 3: COVID I had a baby. That's my excuse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually that makes it.
Speaker 3: I haven't been out past nine o'clock in nineteen months, people, Okay,
Speaker 3: nineteen months.
Speaker 2: Cut me a break.
Speaker 1: And on that note, I feel like we need a
Speaker 1: dance break. Come muchock, go your body, baby?
Speaker 2: Do that gonga? Wait? Where'd that come from?
Speaker 1: Clodia is always with me, And isn't it that time
Speaker 1: in an episode where we get to talk about my
Speaker 1: favorite shocky album, Lone This Done.
Speaker 3: It is such an iconic album too. And I know
Speaker 3: we say that word all the time because it's the
Speaker 3: title of our podcast, but sometimes it's the only word
Speaker 3: that fits.
Speaker 2: You have to give the listeners what they want.
Speaker 3: Let's do it. So this album was produced by none
Speaker 3: other than a Melo Stefan junior and it took almost
Speaker 3: nine months to make.
Speaker 2: Talk about a perfectionist.
Speaker 3: And it's because after what happened with Beliegro, she didn't
Speaker 3: want to relinquish creative control ever again, I.
Speaker 2: Mean low key, i't traumatized her.
Speaker 3: But something else also happened that made people wonder if
Speaker 3: this album would ever see the light of day. Shakida
Speaker 3: songs were stolen okay, Well, the notebook that she wrote
Speaker 3: the songs.
Speaker 2: Down in had actually been stolen. Okay.
Speaker 1: The scene of the crime was none other than El
Speaker 1: Dorado International Airport in Boloka.
Speaker 3: Shakira looked everywhere for the notebook, they even searched the
Speaker 3: entire airport, but her bad along with those price notebooks
Speaker 3: filled with her lyrics, her ideas for upcoming albums. The
Speaker 3: whole thing was gone. She realized that these thieves had
Speaker 3: stolen more than just her belongings.
Speaker 2: They had stolen her peace of mind.
Speaker 1: And that's when it hit her. She kept wondering where
Speaker 1: the thieves were, but that led her to realize where
Speaker 1: all the thieves were. We've all stolen something.
Speaker 3: I've stolen off your hearts, Jose, You're so deep, so profound.
Speaker 3: What was stolen was her notebook right as a singer, songwriter, poet,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call someone's creative process for writing
Speaker 3: their music before it actually becomes a song. That notebook,
Speaker 3: containing all of her deepest thoughts, her ideas, her inspirations,
Speaker 3: her lyrics, her poems.
Speaker 2: It disappeared. They took it. I don't know that they
Speaker 2: knew they were stealing.
Speaker 3: It's not like her competition, like went to the airport,
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, let me stop the new Shakira
Speaker 3: album from coming out. This wasn't like a Tanya Harding, Nancy.
Speaker 2: Carrier, Rubia was not there or No, it wasn't like that.
Speaker 3: I think somebody saw the bag, they thought, oh, what's
Speaker 3: in here? Grab the bag, and little do they know
Speaker 3: they contained all of Shaky's most priceless lyric.
Speaker 1: I wonder if someone still has it, Like she must
Speaker 1: have wrote her name or something in it and selling
Speaker 1: it later.
Speaker 3: Do you think she like be dazzled the notebook and
Speaker 3: it said like Shakita with like little hearts and flowers,
Speaker 3: and they're like, wait, who is this?
Speaker 1: Listen if she was doing those tiny little braids with ribbons,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was the Nightties.
Speaker 3: Well that takes us to the cover of the album,
Speaker 3: And just to give you guys a reminder, so it's
Speaker 3: a pink background. She's in a red top, which gives
Speaker 3: a little V Day, right, a little Valentine's Day, but
Speaker 3: she does have the little tiny braids throughout her hair
Speaker 3: woven in with different ribbons. It was like dark and
Speaker 3: long and very mysterious.
Speaker 2: And what I thought was so weird that her hands
Speaker 2: were dirty.
Speaker 3: Yes, what because she had just kicked the Ladronessa's ass.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know what the reference was of for
Speaker 1: the dirty hands, to be honest, I always looked at it,
Speaker 1: and I was always just kind of like, she looks
Speaker 1: so pretty and then her hands are so dirty.
Speaker 2: It's so weird.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what and I should probably google this,
Speaker 3: and I probably should have googled this before the episode.
Speaker 3: But my interpretation always when I saw that album was
Speaker 3: always that she had just found them and like basically
Speaker 3: beat their ass in a field.
Speaker 1: That's what I always I know, well, we would do
Speaker 1: here at becoming an icon.
Speaker 2: But what do you remember about this album off the
Speaker 2: top of your head? I think the actual CD?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, because that was back in the day
Speaker 3: when we didn't have digital music.
Speaker 2: We're so old we are at old day.
Speaker 1: I would be driving looking through my notebook trying to
Speaker 1: get the CD out, like not looking at the road. Okay,
Speaker 1: Mo'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that it was this. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: so many albums like that.
Speaker 3: I think that's what's so cool about this podcast is
Speaker 3: that so many of the albums and artists that were
Speaker 3: discussing I had in CD form one. A lot of
Speaker 3: the albums. Yeah, I was gonna say I were to
Speaker 3: do it that. I still have my case logic filled
Speaker 3: with Shakita CDs, j Lo CDs, Glodia stef On CDs.
Speaker 3: That is what I remember, is like the tactile feeling
Speaker 3: of opening the CD case, like when you would get
Speaker 3: it from Tower or whatever. Your music's Sam Goodie. You
Speaker 3: would rip the plastic off.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it wouldn't come offing to be so annoyed like, and.
Speaker 3: Then you would make that crack when you opened the CD.
Speaker 3: And then you would take the booklet out and you,
Speaker 3: as a fan would obviously flip through all the notes
Speaker 3: and the songs and the lyrics.
Speaker 2: A little book, A little book. Oh, I got the
Speaker 2: little book. That's what I remember.
Speaker 3: I remember being really young and feeling like, Wow, who
Speaker 3: is this girl?
Speaker 2: This album was just everything for me.
Speaker 3: Did you feel like it was more rock than the
Speaker 3: traditional Spanish music you grew up listening to in Alfaso?
Speaker 1: I would definitely call it alternative sure, And also just
Speaker 1: because it was sounds I hadn't heard, So it's not
Speaker 1: like I was going to say pop. Because reygae was
Speaker 1: in there, I knew it was like nothing my ears
Speaker 1: I've heard.
Speaker 2: I knew she was different.
Speaker 3: I remember my cousin's the one who bought this album
Speaker 3: with me. I was like, we have to get this.
Speaker 2: Did you guys go split seas?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we were broke gas. I just remember she's old,
Speaker 3: She's five years older than I am, and she was
Speaker 3: like kind of my beacon of cool, right. She was
Speaker 3: always like my compass, And when I heard it, I
Speaker 3: was I just had never heard Spanish music like that.
Speaker 2: The way I grew up.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying other people as my experience as a
Speaker 3: young Latina growing up in Fort Worth, Texas, I wasn't
Speaker 3: listening to Spanish rock.
Speaker 2: That's not what we listened to. Like, we listened to
Speaker 2: a ton of Mariacci music, right, Like, that's not what
Speaker 2: we listened to.
Speaker 3: And so hearing the harmonicas in her voice and just
Speaker 3: this really fresh rock sound, I thought I didn't even
Speaker 3: know they made music like this in Spanish. So it
Speaker 3: was very eye opening for me and I think for
Speaker 3: a lot of people, especially because I think my music
Speaker 3: knowledge at that point in time was really limited. So
Speaker 3: this really opened my eyes and ears to an entire
Speaker 3: new world of music and sound. This album had a
Speaker 3: little bit of everything. It was kind of all over
Speaker 3: the place, but Shakita was the glue that was holding
Speaker 3: it all together.
Speaker 1: That's what I liked about it because you can hear
Speaker 1: so many diverse influences Led Zeppelin, Gloria Stefan, Mark, Anthony Madonna.
Speaker 3: But this was the late nineties and there was one
Speaker 3: influence that everyone heard.
Speaker 1: And I'm here to remind you of the mess you
Speaker 1: left when you win.
Speaker 3: Ah, why we might have to pay for that?
Speaker 2: That was so good.
Speaker 3: Wait, you were really passionate when you sang that. Were
Speaker 3: you thinking about somebody specific? Via No, just kidding, I
Speaker 3: was not thinking about anybody. His name doesn't serve mentioning Damien.
Speaker 3: People noticed a lot of Alanis Moore said on this album.
Speaker 1: It's definitely giving the jagged little pastiat vibe.
Speaker 3: And I get it, but it's also just so disparaging
Speaker 3: to say, oh, she's the latina.
Speaker 2: Alanis no bitch, she is Shakira.
Speaker 3: This is one of the things that drives me crazy
Speaker 3: about the music industry. It can be so sexist. They
Speaker 3: give all of the space in the world for every
Speaker 3: male artist. There could be like ten bad bunnies.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll even say, like ten rappers that wrap the
Speaker 2: theme right.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even matter. Ten dudes that play the guitar
Speaker 3: are the same. But it's like, we can't have two
Speaker 3: women that both do alternative rock. You can either be
Speaker 3: Alanis or Shakira. But the world needs Alanis and Shakira
Speaker 3: and like ten more sounds And so what if they
Speaker 3: sounded like each other. Yeah, who cares. I don't think
Speaker 3: it was about copying someone's style. I mean, at this point,
Speaker 3: I feel like everything is derivative. There is no unique
Speaker 3: sound I think. Actually, I take it back. I do
Speaker 3: think there is certain elements of unique sound on an album,
Speaker 3: but everything's derivative. You hear something you're inspired by, Like
Speaker 3: how many times do you hear an artist getting sued
Speaker 3: because their lyrics sound like a song from nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, well, every song sounds like another song.
Speaker 3: So I never understood the comparison because there was space
Speaker 3: and room and there still is for both of them.
Speaker 2: The album was a sound we.
Speaker 3: All wanted to share them with our friends, with our parents. Personally,
Speaker 3: I remember how cool I thought I was listening to
Speaker 3: Ojos Aci.
Speaker 2: No No, No, No No, because the sound was so distinct.
Speaker 3: It felt slicker, it was more polished, and a lot
Speaker 3: of that sound had to do with super producer Emilio Stephan.
Speaker 1: Shakita was introduced to the Stefans thanks to promoter and
Speaker 1: mutual friend Kaidro Martinez. Once they connected, it was like
Speaker 1: Machia but not the album.
Speaker 3: And both the a Stefans saw so much more for
Speaker 3: her than she could have ever imagined for herself. And
Speaker 3: Media co produced the album alongside Shakira, and together they
Speaker 3: made like Joseph said Mahia. They incorporated the Latin pop
Speaker 3: and rock style she was already known for, but also
Speaker 3: added heavy Middle Eastern influences. It earned Shakira accolades and awards,
Speaker 3: including her very first Grammy nomination for Best Latin Rock
Speaker 3: or Alternative Album.
Speaker 1: Everyone be talking about bez RP song, but has anyone heard?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like these little moments that you hear
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, what's that?
Speaker 2: So good?
Speaker 3: I mean almost as made me feel like I had
Speaker 3: traveled to the Middle East when I had never left
Speaker 3: the state of Texas.
Speaker 1: At that point, I was in the Middle East and
Speaker 1: in the middle of Wattas. It was a drama.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I was shaking my hips.
Speaker 1: Also, that's when people started doing the very unique dances
Speaker 1: with their hands and they're and shaking.
Speaker 2: Were you doing those dances? Okay? By they, I mean me.
Speaker 3: And I have to shout out the mariachi trumpets in
Speaker 3: Siega the Muda stop. It's one of the best consett
Speaker 3: ever this don't identify it as a King Zieta song.
Speaker 3: It is just one of the best openings to a
Speaker 3: song that I have ever listened.
Speaker 2: I heard it and I was like, where are we going?
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Oh my god, Oh my God.
Speaker 3: And again, because I am Mexican growing up in Fort Worth, Texas,
Speaker 3: this was music that I grew up with. And then
Speaker 3: to hear Jai take those trumpets and reinterpret them and
Speaker 3: remix them in such a cool, modern, fresh way, I
Speaker 3: knew that is when my love affair with her began.
Speaker 2: That song sealed the deal for me.
Speaker 3: When it came to working with Shaquida, Emilio only had
Speaker 3: great things to say, calling her someone who knows what
Speaker 3: she wants, a perfectionist, and above all, a hard worker.
Speaker 3: He added, she reminds me of Gloria. They are two very,
Speaker 3: very intelligent women.
Speaker 2: Seeing them work together, Glodia.
Speaker 3: Knew it was time for the next phase in Shaquida's career.
Speaker 1: Gloria believed Shakida could successfully cross over to the US
Speaker 1: with an English.
Speaker 3: Record, but Shakira was against it.
Speaker 1: Londe Sansnez was a big hit and a huge success
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 2: What was the.
Speaker 3: Problem, she couldn't sing in English, she could barely speak it.
Speaker 3: Shakida may be fluent now, but back then she only
Speaker 3: knew how to order coffee in English.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: But Gloria knew that she had it in her, so
Speaker 3: much so that she personally translated songs for Shakida to
Speaker 3: prove that the lyrics were universal, they could work in
Speaker 3: both English and Spanish. When looking back, Gloria told Oprah
Speaker 3: that Shakira is a poet. Her work translated perfectly. Shakida
Speaker 3: was only missing the encouragement.
Speaker 1: Santa Gloria doing the lord's working and lutando for Shakira.
Speaker 2: She was fighting hard for her at that time.
Speaker 3: Even her record label wanted to keep her as a
Speaker 3: Spanish artist, but Emilio and Gloria weren't having it. They
Speaker 3: didn't want some half English, half Spanish album. They believe
Speaker 3: Shakida's talents were worthy of a full English album.
Speaker 1: And with the seven Engine behind her, Shakidra was on
Speaker 1: her way to.
Speaker 2: A full crossover.
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