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Speaker 1: Another day, another dot. I mean icon graces our presence.

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Speaker 2: How many are we up to? Now?

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Speaker 1: It's not about the numbers, my little Henny. It's about

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, wait wait, I'm not talking about followers. I

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Speaker 3: meant icons. How many oh five papes?

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Speaker 2: This time?

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Speaker 1: Estoyaki gerendo algando.

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Speaker 3: I can't sing that fast in Spanish, I can't talk

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Speaker 1: And lucky for me, everyone can hear my samples during

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Speaker 1: our podcast My Day is Coming Baby.

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Speaker 3: We're tackling the life and times of someone who can

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Speaker 3: only be defined by one name, too many hits to

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Speaker 3: count and three syllables. Shot, one of the most influential

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Speaker 3: singers to popularize Latin music.

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Speaker 1: Worldwide, aka the Queen of Latin music.

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Speaker 3: Sh don't tell the other icons cow maybe knowing I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying, you're lying. Shakiras influenced so many and that's

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Speaker 3: why Joseph and I are going to take you through

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Speaker 3: the different errors of Shaiki Da, peeling back the layers

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Speaker 3: to find out who the girl from Barankia really.

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Speaker 1: Is AKA listing all the ways she was too good

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Speaker 1: for PK.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host Lilianavoscaz and I'm Joseph Carrio and this

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Speaker 3: is Becoming an Icon a weekly podcast where we give

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Speaker 3: you the rundown on how today's most famous LATINV stars

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Speaker 3: have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 2: And given the world some extra level Sit back and

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Speaker 2: get comfortable, because we are going in the.

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Speaker 3: Only way we know how, with buena buenassas and a

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Speaker 3: lot of opinions as we relive their greatest achievements on

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Speaker 1: Those Did you know that Colombia has four freaking a thousand.

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Speaker 2: Species of orchids? No?

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: It actually makes it the most biodiverse universe in Zemunda.

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Speaker 1: And get this, it's the most musically diverse country in

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Speaker 3: Okay, now you're back on theme. So naturally that makes

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Speaker 3: you think of Sofia Vergara. No for a modern family,

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Speaker 3: but why well, okay, you know what stops stop stop, stop, tada.

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Speaker 3: That's going to take way too long. One more time,

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Speaker 3: Try it again. What does it make you think of

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Speaker 3: when I say Colombia Chaquida Yes, also known as Shakira

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Speaker 3: Isabel Mebarik Ripoli.

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Speaker 1: Born in Barankia, Colombia, on February tewod of nineteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 2: How do you know all of this? Mindy dot?

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Speaker 1: Chris Jenner works hard, but I work harder. So that

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Speaker 1: makes her an Aquarius sun a cancer moon. Plus her

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Speaker 2: There is a lot to unpack there.

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Speaker 1: I'm totally psychoanalyzing her heart right now, but in a

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Speaker 3: And honestly, the best way to get to know Shakida

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, a good call, because last time I

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Speaker 2: I meant her upbringing. But sometimes her hair, yes too.

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Speaker 3: And for all we know about her, she only lets

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Speaker 1: That's how I am with my new prospects, like will

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Speaker 3: Tell what's not to love about Shaki dak And there's

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Speaker 2: Back to the basics. Shakina was born in Barankia. That's

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Speaker 3: It's fifteen feet tall, six tons and actually does it

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Speaker 1: It looks more like a unsculpted Steven Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Is that redundant? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to close my Joseph focus.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to Shakida, right, Chekita. She's a diosa

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Speaker 3: I love this new Joseph am I getting him the

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Speaker 1: It's from No You're Not Don't Get Carried Away. It's

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Speaker 1: Shakida's more than just a singer. She has killer tracks

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Speaker 2: But this article puts it best. Can you actually read it?

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Speaker 2: It says she is seen as something.

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Speaker 3: Of a saint in her own country. There are statues

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Speaker 2: Nuns revere her for building schools for orphans.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, I do say.

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Speaker 1: The casa is a closeta Santa Shakira. Now you're wondering

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Speaker 2: All of this now that you mention it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Shakida has managed somehow to remain humble in appearance

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Speaker 2: Nicely dungeon so way to bring it back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and don't expect to happen twice.

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Speaker 3: And remember, Shakina isn't just her average pop star. She

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Speaker 3: soon Shakida was writing on her own typewriter.

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Speaker 2: Bitch, did you just go there a typewriter?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Do we even have to explain to the kids what

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Speaker 3: So y'all get on Google and search. Soon Shakira was

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Speaker 3: Shakindo was an only child, but she did have half siblings,

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Speaker 3: Who's Got Fassil Skudas, dedicated to her father and the

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Speaker 1: Because he was crying all the time, her father hid

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Speaker 2: I do that you've been wearing sunglasses this whole episode.

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Speaker 1: Have you been said, Oh no, that's not why my

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Speaker 1: fib But I love how you can still see how

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Speaker 1: Shakida takes from everything around her and puts it into music.

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Speaker 1: It's like her therapy.

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Speaker 3: That's just what makes her an artist before she's a singer.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that all singers can be artists

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I could see her words, I have the feeling, and

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Speaker 1: I don't get that with a lot of songs.

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Speaker 3: No, She's incredibly visual. When you listen to the song,

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Speaker 1: I'm imagining whatever the fuck she's singing. I'm pretending that

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Speaker 1: I think what also sets her apart is how she

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Speaker 2: Again, her dad's influence.

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Speaker 1: Chequida is famously Colombian, but of Lebanese descent.

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Speaker 3: Her dad's side of the family comes from Lebanon, while

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Speaker 1: Actual footage of me after three clause two Bockasota's and

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Speaker 3: It was out those restaurants that she learned the art

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Speaker 1: I actually learned it the arts of belly dancing and

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Speaker 2: That is not art. I have seen it firsthand. It's

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Speaker 3: Anyways, the dancers at the restaurants noticed how this little

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Speaker 1: And now have beats hips. Don't lie, honey, it's her

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Speaker 3: She was a poet and a dancer, so when she

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Speaker 2: Hey like our boy Benito, Yes, but unlike Benito, she

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Speaker 3: They didn't like the way she's sang and it was

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Speaker 2: I'm calling CPS. Yes, you're as needs to call that

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Speaker 3: I will say that Shakida has a really distinct sound,

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Speaker 3: but that's what makes her so memorable. That's what makes

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Speaker 2: Go, whoa, who is it that? Yeah? Her dad ignored

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Speaker 2: the haters.

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Speaker 3: He told her that she had exactly what it took

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Speaker 3: she turned it into fuel.

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Speaker 2: For her fire. And boy did she say, burn, baby, burn.

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Speaker 1: Okay, y'all listening, don't let the haters get you down,

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Speaker 1: let them fuel that ass up. Also, Gandhi said that

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Speaker 1: Jesus wait or was that Gandy Jesus Joseph?

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Speaker 2: Okay? No, I'm pretty sure with.

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Speaker 3: Connie, Shakita had the love and support of her parents,

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Speaker 1: This was a Cheeka that was getting kicked out of

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Speaker 1: class for being quote unquote too hyperactive. Clearly, she wasn't

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Speaker 3: It was time to take Shakita on the road and

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Speaker 3: make sure Badan Gilla would never.

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Speaker 2: Forget her name.

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Speaker 3: How old do you think Shakida was when she released

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Speaker 3: her first.

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Speaker 2: Album twenty one? Try Again? Thirteen? You read the script?

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Speaker 2: Don't know her. Nobody did okay.

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Speaker 3: Shaki went back to being a teenager. She finished high school,

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Speaker 2: Lo I miss Mario.

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Speaker 2: Oh? You mean her soap opera?

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Speaker 3: I mean, she does have a talent for it. By

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Speaker 2: Remember, she still owed Sony another.

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Speaker 2: It was with this album.

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Speaker 1: Check it Out. Loses the curly pop persona and goes

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Speaker 1: I and from Alpasto textas like I keep saying, I

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Speaker 3: I wonder how how many other people who also I

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Speaker 2: What was your favorite I hate you? What was your

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Speaker 3: I will say one thing about Shakita. Is you think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't, like all of those girls that go

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Speaker 1: I didn't know where to finish it.

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Speaker 3: It's just she has such a unique voice and a

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Speaker 2: It's just so good.

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Speaker 3: Yes, This gun So sold over three million copies after

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Speaker 1: Remember how excited you were to hear your jam on

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Speaker 2: Delah, what a throwback, Delilah.

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Speaker 1: And now we can scan bar codes and tip DJs

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do that to play all my favorites.

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Speaker 3: You can tip DJs at a bar to play your

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Speaker 3: COVID I had a baby. That's my excuse.

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Speaker 3: I haven't been out past nine o'clock in nineteen months, people, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And on that note, I feel like we need a

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Speaker 2: Do that gonga? Wait? Where'd that come from?

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Speaker 1: Clodia is always with me, And isn't it that time

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Speaker 3: It is such an iconic album too. And I know

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Speaker 2: You have to give the listeners what they want.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it. So this album was produced by none

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Speaker 3: And it's because after what happened with Beliegro, she didn't

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Speaker 3: But something else also happened that made people wonder if

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Speaker 2: Down in had actually been stolen. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The scene of the crime was none other than El

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Speaker 3: Shakira looked everywhere for the notebook, they even searched the

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Speaker 1: And that's when it hit her. She kept wondering where

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Speaker 3: I've stolen off your hearts, Jose, You're so deep, so profound.

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Speaker 2: It disappeared. They took it. I don't know that they

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00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: knew they were stealing.

447
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 3: It's not like her competition, like went to the airport,

448
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, let me stop the new Shakira

449
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: album from coming out. This wasn't like a Tanya Harding, Nancy.

450
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 2: Carrier, Rubia was not there or No, it wasn't like that.

451
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: I think somebody saw the bag, they thought, oh, what's

452
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: in here? Grab the bag, and little do they know

453
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 3: they contained all of Shaky's most priceless lyric.

454
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if someone still has it, Like she must

455
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: have wrote her name or something in it and selling

456
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: it later.

457
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: Do you think she like be dazzled the notebook and

458
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: it said like Shakita with like little hearts and flowers,

459
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: and they're like, wait, who is this?

460
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: Listen if she was doing those tiny little braids with ribbons,

461
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

462
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: It was the Nightties.

463
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 3: Well that takes us to the cover of the album,

464
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 3: And just to give you guys a reminder, so it's

465
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: a pink background. She's in a red top, which gives

466
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: a little V Day, right, a little Valentine's Day, but

467
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 3: she does have the little tiny braids throughout her hair

468
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 3: woven in with different ribbons. It was like dark and

469
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: long and very mysterious.

470
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: And what I thought was so weird that her hands

471
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: were dirty.

472
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 3: Yes, what because she had just kicked the Ladronessa's ass.

473
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know what the reference was of for

474
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 1: the dirty hands, to be honest, I always looked at it,

475
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: and I was always just kind of like, she looks

476
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: so pretty and then her hands are so dirty.

477
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: It's so weird.

478
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what and I should probably google this,

479
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: and I probably should have googled this before the episode.

480
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 3: But my interpretation always when I saw that album was

481
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 3: always that she had just found them and like basically

482
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: beat their ass in a field.

483
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: That's what I always I know, well, we would do

484
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: here at becoming an icon.

485
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: But what do you remember about this album off the

486
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: top of your head? I think the actual CD?

487
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, because that was back in the day

488
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 3: when we didn't have digital music.

489
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: We're so old we are at old day.

490
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: I would be driving looking through my notebook trying to

491
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: get the CD out, like not looking at the road. Okay,

492
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: Mo'm sorry.

493
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that it was this. I mean, there's

494
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: so many albums like that.

495
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: I think that's what's so cool about this podcast is

496
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 3: that so many of the albums and artists that were

497
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: discussing I had in CD form one. A lot of

498
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: the albums. Yeah, I was gonna say I were to

499
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: do it that. I still have my case logic filled

500
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: with Shakita CDs, j Lo CDs, Glodia stef On CDs.

501
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: That is what I remember, is like the tactile feeling

502
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: of opening the CD case, like when you would get

503
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 3: it from Tower or whatever. Your music's Sam Goodie. You

504
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: would rip the plastic off.

505
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: Sometimes it wouldn't come offing to be so annoyed like, and.

506
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: Then you would make that crack when you opened the CD.

507
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: And then you would take the booklet out and you,

508
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: as a fan would obviously flip through all the notes

509
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: and the songs and the lyrics.

510
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: A little book, A little book. Oh, I got the

511
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: little book. That's what I remember.

512
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: I remember being really young and feeling like, Wow, who

513
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: is this girl?

514
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 2: This album was just everything for me.

515
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: Did you feel like it was more rock than the

516
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: traditional Spanish music you grew up listening to in Alfaso?

517
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: I would definitely call it alternative sure, And also just

518
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: because it was sounds I hadn't heard, So it's not

519
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: like I was going to say pop. Because reygae was

520
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: in there, I knew it was like nothing my ears

521
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: I've heard.

522
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: I knew she was different.

523
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: I remember my cousin's the one who bought this album

524
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: with me. I was like, we have to get this.

525
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: Did you guys go split seas?

526
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we were broke gas. I just remember she's old,

527
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: She's five years older than I am, and she was

528
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: like kind of my beacon of cool, right. She was

529
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: always like my compass, And when I heard it, I

530
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: was I just had never heard Spanish music like that.

531
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: The way I grew up.

532
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: I'm not saying other people as my experience as a

533
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: young Latina growing up in Fort Worth, Texas, I wasn't

534
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 3: listening to Spanish rock.

535
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: That's not what we listened to. Like, we listened to

536
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: a ton of Mariacci music, right, Like, that's not what

537
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 2: we listened to.

538
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: And so hearing the harmonicas in her voice and just

539
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: this really fresh rock sound, I thought I didn't even

540
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: know they made music like this in Spanish. So it

541
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 3: was very eye opening for me and I think for

542
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: a lot of people, especially because I think my music

543
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 3: knowledge at that point in time was really limited. So

544
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: this really opened my eyes and ears to an entire

545
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: new world of music and sound. This album had a

546
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: little bit of everything. It was kind of all over

547
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: the place, but Shakita was the glue that was holding

548
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: it all together.

549
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: That's what I liked about it because you can hear

550
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: so many diverse influences Led Zeppelin, Gloria Stefan, Mark, Anthony Madonna.

551
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: But this was the late nineties and there was one

552
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: influence that everyone heard.

553
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: And I'm here to remind you of the mess you

554
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: left when you win.

555
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: Ah, why we might have to pay for that?

556
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: That was so good.

557
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: Wait, you were really passionate when you sang that. Were

558
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: you thinking about somebody specific? Via No, just kidding, I

559
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: was not thinking about anybody. His name doesn't serve mentioning Damien.

560
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: People noticed a lot of Alanis Moore said on this album.

561
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: It's definitely giving the jagged little pastiat vibe.

562
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: And I get it, but it's also just so disparaging

563
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: to say, oh, she's the latina.

564
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Alanis no bitch, she is Shakira.

565
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: This is one of the things that drives me crazy

566
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: about the music industry. It can be so sexist. They

567
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: give all of the space in the world for every

568
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 3: male artist. There could be like ten bad bunnies.

569
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll even say, like ten rappers that wrap the

570
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: theme right.

571
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: It doesn't even matter. Ten dudes that play the guitar

572
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: are the same. But it's like, we can't have two

573
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: women that both do alternative rock. You can either be

574
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 3: Alanis or Shakira. But the world needs Alanis and Shakira

575
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: and like ten more sounds And so what if they

576
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: sounded like each other. Yeah, who cares. I don't think

577
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 3: it was about copying someone's style. I mean, at this point,

578
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: I feel like everything is derivative. There is no unique

579
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: sound I think. Actually, I take it back. I do

580
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: think there is certain elements of unique sound on an album,

581
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: but everything's derivative. You hear something you're inspired by, Like

582
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: how many times do you hear an artist getting sued

583
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: because their lyrics sound like a song from nineteen seventy seven,

584
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, well, every song sounds like another song.

585
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: So I never understood the comparison because there was space

586
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: and room and there still is for both of them.

587
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: The album was a sound we.

588
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: All wanted to share them with our friends, with our parents. Personally,

589
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: I remember how cool I thought I was listening to

590
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: Ojos Aci.

591
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: No No, No, No No, because the sound was so distinct.

592
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: It felt slicker, it was more polished, and a lot

593
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: of that sound had to do with super producer Emilio Stephan.

594
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: Shakita was introduced to the Stefans thanks to promoter and

595
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: mutual friend Kaidro Martinez. Once they connected, it was like

596
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: Machia but not the album.

597
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: And both the a Stefans saw so much more for

598
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: her than she could have ever imagined for herself. And

599
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: Media co produced the album alongside Shakira, and together they

600
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: made like Joseph said Mahia. They incorporated the Latin pop

601
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: and rock style she was already known for, but also

602
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: added heavy Middle Eastern influences. It earned Shakira accolades and awards,

603
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: including her very first Grammy nomination for Best Latin Rock

604
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: or Alternative Album.

605
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: Everyone be talking about bez RP song, but has anyone heard?

606
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like these little moments that you hear

607
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, what's that?

608
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: So good?

609
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: I mean almost as made me feel like I had

610
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: traveled to the Middle East when I had never left

611
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: the state of Texas.

612
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: At that point, I was in the Middle East and

613
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of Wattas. It was a drama.

614
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: I loved it. I was shaking my hips.

615
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: Also, that's when people started doing the very unique dances

616
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: with their hands and they're and shaking.

617
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Were you doing those dances? Okay? By they, I mean me.

618
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: And I have to shout out the mariachi trumpets in

619
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: Siega the Muda stop. It's one of the best consett

620
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: ever this don't identify it as a King Zieta song.

621
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: It is just one of the best openings to a

622
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 3: song that I have ever listened.

623
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: I heard it and I was like, where are we going?

624
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Oh my god, Oh my God.

625
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: And again, because I am Mexican growing up in Fort Worth, Texas,

626
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: this was music that I grew up with. And then

627
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: to hear Jai take those trumpets and reinterpret them and

628
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: remix them in such a cool, modern, fresh way, I

629
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: knew that is when my love affair with her began.

630
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: That song sealed the deal for me.

631
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: When it came to working with Shaquida, Emilio only had

632
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: great things to say, calling her someone who knows what

633
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: she wants, a perfectionist, and above all, a hard worker.

634
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: He added, she reminds me of Gloria. They are two very,

635
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: very intelligent women.

636
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: Seeing them work together, Glodia.

637
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: Knew it was time for the next phase in Shaquida's career.

638
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: Gloria believed Shakida could successfully cross over to the US

639
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: with an English.

640
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: Record, but Shakira was against it.

641
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Londe Sansnez was a big hit and a huge success

642
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: for her.

643
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: What was the.

644
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: Problem, she couldn't sing in English, she could barely speak it.

645
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: Shakida may be fluent now, but back then she only

646
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: knew how to order coffee in English.

647
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: That's it.

648
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: But Gloria knew that she had it in her, so

649
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: much so that she personally translated songs for Shakida to

650
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: prove that the lyrics were universal, they could work in

651
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: both English and Spanish. When looking back, Gloria told Oprah

652
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: that Shakira is a poet. Her work translated perfectly. Shakida

653
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: was only missing the encouragement.

654
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: Santa Gloria doing the lord's working and lutando for Shakira.

655
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: She was fighting hard for her at that time.

656
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: Even her record label wanted to keep her as a

657
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: Spanish artist, but Emilio and Gloria weren't having it. They

658
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: didn't want some half English, half Spanish album. They believe

659
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: Shakida's talents were worthy of a full English album.

660
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: And with the seven Engine behind her, Shakidra was on

661
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: her way to.

662
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: A full crossover.

663
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: On the next Becoming an Icon, Shakidra meets Bleach, an

664
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: American superstarting. Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonodl and

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Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get

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Speaker 3: your podcast