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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: for my people, you come through me. We have such

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today. Semaphore's Dave Weigel tells

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Speaker 1: us what he's found in his examination of the twenty

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Speaker 1: State Jocelyn Benson how about how her state will fight

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Speaker 2: By why don't you tell us where the House is

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Speaker 1: Right now, Democrats have two hundred and one seats and

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Speaker 1: Some will go to recount, and so if Democrats can

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Speaker 1: That seems unlikely since that math is not mathing, but

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Speaker 1: White supremacist Nick Flint has said your body, my choice forever.

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Speaker 2: And then of course we have all the right wing

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Speaker 1: So you'll remember that Trump said he had knew nothing

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Dave.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be back. Thank you, under great circumstances.

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Speaker 1: So I want you to talk to us about what

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Speaker 3: So I'll start by saying a lot of people are

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Speaker 3: that I think Trump makes more complicated because he wasn't

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Speaker 3: running on Paul Ryan saying we're going to shrink the

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Speaker 3: deficit and black Art Medican and he might, he just wasn't.

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Speaker 3: This was running on it. This is the success he had.

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Speaker 3: This is why I not overwripe it but just really like,

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Speaker 3: if this was Jdevan's running on the same campaign without

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Speaker 3: that record, I don't think it would have worked. I

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Speaker 3: don't think you would have the same people come out

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Speaker 3: of the would work because the overall democratic message of

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Speaker 3: returning the corner that has been successful before it was

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Speaker 3: actually round Reagan in nineteen eighty four, things were in

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Speaker 3: some metrics, including inflation, unemployment, things were worse in morning

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Speaker 3: morning in America than they were right now. The final thing, though,

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Speaker 3: the final thing, I'm adding like twenty to twenty things,

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Speaker 3: this daisy chain of takes, but this media environment, when

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Speaker 3: you have to be talking about disinformation, I'm cautious say

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Speaker 3: what's different information? What it is? And I think what's

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Speaker 3: important is not just people not quite getting what's happening

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Speaker 3: in the economy. It's that there's no objective source that

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Speaker 3: a lot of people trust that's telling what's actually happening.

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Speaker 3: Some of that is people who'll say, oh, the TV

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Speaker 3: told me to wear a mask outside, and I don't

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Speaker 3: trust that anymore. Some it's that, but it's also just

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Speaker 3: people have moved on other media sources and they just

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Speaker 3: not only do they not hear positive democratic messaging, but

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Speaker 3: when they hear Trum's messaging. No one's really pushing back

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Speaker 3: some way. Am I the hardest interviewer in a world?

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Speaker 3: Probably not, But I would notice when kamal Aris goes

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Speaker 3: on MSNBC, the first question is why are you struggling

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Speaker 3: on the economy? Why don't people trust you on the economy?

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Speaker 3: When Trump goes on like Joe Rogan and the note Boys,

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Speaker 3: that's not the question that it's a lot of let's

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Speaker 3: talk about how cool and fun you are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've really been.

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Speaker 3: I don't think even the media environment of twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: hard to recreate all that stuff, but that one where

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Speaker 3: just people who are still getting most of their news

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Speaker 3: from newspapers and TV, local TV, cable. The political discourse

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Speaker 3: is more shape by what's on the a one of

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Speaker 3: the New York Times. That was tougher for him, and

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Speaker 3: this is much easier.

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Speaker 1: So interesting, I mean, that's a really important point that

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Speaker 1: he has a sort of propaganda network that Democrats don't have, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, basically that's what you're saying, and that propaganda

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Speaker 1: network pumps him up and makes him seem But I

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Speaker 1: also think the secret sauce about Trump has always been

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Speaker 1: that he is just a uniquely talented I mean, like

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Speaker 1: him or loathe him, certainly, I am not a fan,

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Speaker 1: but he is uniquely good at connecting with his people.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Trump did, which I thought

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Speaker 1: would doom him but actually has really delivered for him,

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Speaker 1: is that he was so laser focused on his base

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Speaker 1: and Harris was more interested. Obviously, again it's not a

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Speaker 1: fair comparison because she had three months and he had,

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Speaker 1: you know, our whole lifetimes. But he was committed to

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Speaker 1: just turning out his base and thinking and making the

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Speaker 1: gamble that that would be enough, and she was trying

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Speaker 1: to practice conversion and ultimately the bass play one out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you talk about that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I do not know if he was trying to

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Speaker 3: reach his base. It's a very complicated question because I

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Speaker 3: don't mind you in the word wrappaganda. But one thing

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Speaker 3: I'll positive here is that whenever a democratic president, Fox

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Speaker 3: News drives the truck down to Del Rio and Eagle

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Speaker 3: Pass and covers people crossing the border. And when Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump's president, they talked remov is present. So because there

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Speaker 3: were illegal border crossings under Trump, and I'm not being

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Speaker 3: good because there were policy changes, bind did that led

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Speaker 3: to more people across the border. There also were just

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Speaker 3: worse conditions in places like Venezuela and Haiti that led

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Speaker 3: to more migration out of there and people trying to

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Speaker 3: get into the country. But it was not false that

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Speaker 3: the Trump policy was a very unsympathetic were full go

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Speaker 3: away approach, including saying you're in a campaign that yes,

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Speaker 3: there are people who have legal temporary status from Haiti

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Speaker 3: that live in Ohio and we should take your status

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Speaker 3: away and kick them out. The Trump approaches just kick

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Speaker 3: them out. That is a policy difference. And the promise

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Speaker 3: of instead of you coming across the country and getting

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Speaker 3: a court date, We're going to immediately deport you, We're

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Speaker 3: going to process you in Mexico, just get out of here.

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Speaker 3: That is significant change. It just helps that even when

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Speaker 3: border crossings are falling under a Democrat, the stories are

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Speaker 3: still about who's coming across the border illegally. One thing

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Speaker 3: that stuck with me it wasn't my reporting, it was politico.

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Speaker 3: But one reason the Teamsters didn't endure in the presidential

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Speaker 3: race and just stayed neutral, which actually was kind of

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Speaker 3: victory for Harris not norsing Trump, was that there were

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Speaker 3: some heads of locals who sorry, not the teasers, the firefighters, firefighters.

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Speaker 3: There are some heads in their locals who blamed the

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Speaker 3: border for fentanyl and said, fentanyl's coming over and it's

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Speaker 3: putting our firefighters at risk. And there is an example

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Speaker 3: of something because if you if you know about how

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Speaker 3: drugs smuggling works, as everyone listen to this podcast does,

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Speaker 3: that's not like somebody that comes from Haiti with a

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Speaker 3: bag of fentanyl and crosses the border. Drug smuggling is

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Speaker 3: very sophisticated. Happened everywhere. It happens on planes, like we're

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Speaker 3: not stopping all flights through Mexico. This is this catch

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Speaker 3: twenty two that Democrats are in. You would see Republicans

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Speaker 3: every time law enforcement announced a fentanyl seizure and say,

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Speaker 3: look at how much fentanyl they seized. This is not working.

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Speaker 3: Whenever Republican is president, he goes down and says, look

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Speaker 3: at this, we seized a bunch of fentanyl. The policy

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Speaker 3: is working. I'm not convinced that Democrats wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 3: I do think Democrats are going to start revisiting not

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Speaker 3: just Bill Clinton's politics, with Barack Obama's politics and how

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Speaker 3: you just need to actually one be tough on rule

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Speaker 3: breaking and things that are disruptive to normal people's lives.

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Speaker 3: And you need to say that you are all the

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Speaker 3: time and show up all the time. Like the people

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Speaker 3: that I think are most out of the conversation that

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Speaker 3: Democrats want to have right now in every way are

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Speaker 3: the people who in it. And I was there covering

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Speaker 3: this for twenty four thirteen, fourteen fifteen, the Black Lives

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Speaker 3: Matter movement and also crim adjuster performers on the libertarian

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Speaker 3: left and right who were saying, we actually can start

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Speaker 3: removing some people from prison and being more tolerant about

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Speaker 3: getting people rehabilitated, maybe not doing as many homelessness sweeps.

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Speaker 3: We can be less cruel because crime is down. And

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Speaker 3: one thing to happen this election below blow the claridential level.

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Speaker 3: Well at the presidential level. Kamala Harris is running as

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Speaker 3: to talk about being a tough prosecutor and for one example,

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Speaker 3: and how just they've a party abandoned the that approach.

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Speaker 3: I keep want to say, soft on crime, just try

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Speaker 3: not talk to cliches. But also just in her state

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Speaker 3: where she lives in Los Angeles County, voters got rid

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Speaker 3: of the Progressive DA where she was born in Alameda County.

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Speaker 3: Voters got rid of the progressive DA Oakland, where she

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Speaker 3: spent some of her life. Voters kicked out the mayor

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Speaker 3: San Francisco, where she was DA. Voters kicked out from

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Speaker 3: there and statewide, and she never said how she voted

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Speaker 3: on this. There was a ballot measure to get rid

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Speaker 3: of some of these primo dust reform. They're the ones

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Speaker 3: that had passed and passed life, and the original one

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Speaker 3: passed with Republican support. I remember I talked to Gingrich,

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Speaker 3: who dedorsed it, for a story recently. Grige ten years

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Speaker 3: ago was saying, Hey, Californians, we need to get people

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Speaker 3: out of prison. Let's pass this bill, and people who

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Speaker 3: are just doing teddy chocolate lifting will be clogging up

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Speaker 3: the jails. And then ten years later people say, I

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Speaker 3: am tired of watching videos on TV of guys walking

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Speaker 3: out of stores with bags of goods. I'm tired of

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Speaker 3: going to Walgreens and there is shampoo behind the lock gate.

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Speaker 3: You might stop and say, like, is that really the

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Speaker 3: most important thing happening? Look, quality of life matters.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you so interesting. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. Jocelyn Benson is the Secretary of State of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to FoST Politics, Jocelyn Benson.

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Speaker 4: Hi, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on the podcast because a

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Speaker 1: lot of the listeners of this podcast, and by a

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Speaker 1: lot of listeners this podcast, I mean myself, are full

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Speaker 1: on freaking out about what this is going to look

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Speaker 1: like another Trump presidency, and so I figure because you

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Speaker 1: are part of the trifactor of fabulous women who lead

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Speaker 1: the state of Michigan, you could talk to us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about First of all, I want you to

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Speaker 1: first talk to us about the election and what you

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Speaker 1: saw on the ground and how that was, and then

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Speaker 1: I have many, many, many other questions for you.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: I think what I saw on the ground in the

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Speaker 5: lead up to the election and throughout was a lot

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Speaker 5: of enthusiasm across the board. And basically the enthusiasm ended

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Speaker 5: up truly being across the board because we had the

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Speaker 5: highest turnout election in our state's history. Five point six

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Speaker 5: seven million people voted, which blew through our past record

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Speaker 5: of five point five from twenty twenty which and that

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Speaker 5: one blew through our previous record of five million in

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Speaker 5: two thousand and eight. And so we at the time

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Speaker 5: when our state population has been decreasing, we've seen voter

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Speaker 5: turnout increase and really just go through the roof.

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Speaker 4: This past Tuesday. That's not a terrible thing, and that's

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Speaker 4: sort of that's a good thing for our for our democracy.

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Speaker 4: It really illuminates also the reality that the two party

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Speaker 4: system or is perhaps not fully equipped to reflect the

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Speaker 4: diverse perspectives in the electorate, in the electorate that large.

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Speaker 4: What we also saw on Michigan were two things.

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Speaker 5: One extraordinary celebration at the polls, more energy than I've seen.

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Speaker 5: And this was in you know, I went to ham Tranmek,

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Speaker 5: I went down river places where our Democrats lost. I

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Speaker 5: still saw extraordinary turnout, extraordinary enthusiasm. People were really determined

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Speaker 5: to vote. The second thing I saw in Michigan was,

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Speaker 5: you know, other than that, the at the top of

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Speaker 5: the ticket women Wan. Our entire congressional delegation on the

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Speaker 5: Democratic side is almost entirely women. Now, we elected Alyssa Slack,

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Speaker 5: We elected two women to the Michigan Supreme Court who

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Speaker 5: ran as Democrats. So there's I wouldn't call it silver linings,

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Speaker 5: but I would add that to the lessons that we

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Speaker 5: need to take from this election to recognize that still

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Speaker 5: it's clear that women voters have something to stay. They're

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Speaker 5: supporting female candidates in our state. The women of Michigan

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Speaker 5: continue to expand. But at the same time, we also

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Speaker 5: have to listen to the economic message that voters who

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Speaker 5: supported Trump in Michigan and throughout the country are sending

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Speaker 5: to everyone. They are hurting and they are looking for

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Speaker 5: someone to listen and hear them at least make them

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Speaker 5: feel hard, and who can convince them rightly or wrongly,

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Speaker 5: accurately or not that they have the plan to heal

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Speaker 5: their pain.

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Speaker 1: But Alissa's Slatkin is going to the Senate. She is

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Speaker 1: that is particularly exciting. And there are other Democrats in

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Speaker 1: you know, Jackie Rosen and rub and Diego and who

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Speaker 1: did in fact overperform the top of the ticket and

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Speaker 1: maybe also benefitted from the top of the tickets campaign.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. You can make that argument. Certainly,

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Speaker 5: all throughout various local districts where we saw a high

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Speaker 5: turnout that we otherwise wouldn't see. The West Side of

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Speaker 5: Michigan is an example of that too. But you know,

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Speaker 5: we're still picking a part all of those all of

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Speaker 5: those things. The other piece we know protecting democracy was

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Speaker 5: a critical factor for a lot of people who did

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Speaker 5: show up, and I think it's important to know that

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Speaker 5: that work is going to continue and the fact that

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Speaker 5: democracy thrives when we demand that it does.

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Speaker 4: And so for us to give up.

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Speaker 5: In this moment, at a time where we do have

651
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Speaker 5: someone who's an avowed authoritarian, you know, about to ascend

652
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 5: to the highest office in the land, we're needed now

653
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 5: more than ever to stand firm and speak out against

654
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Speaker 5: anyone who tries to take away our voices and our freedoms.

655
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean we're already hearing, thankfully from Newsome

656
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: and also from Governor Pritzker, these statements of like how

657
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: federalism can in fact protect American citizens and blue states.

658
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: Talk to me about what that looks like in Michigan.

659
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 5: The power of people to stay engaged and stay involved

660
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 5: and to hold people accountable, no matter how powerful, is

661
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 5: a critical component of what democracy is. And especially in

662
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 5: this moment, we have to still wave that flag and

663
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 5: march into battle with that as our charge. And so

664
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Speaker 5: I think you'll see young people, women in Michigan, people

665
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 5: of color, continue to lead that if we allow our

666
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 5: grief and despondents in this moment to turn into an energy,

667
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: just like it did after twenty sixteen, to push for freedom,

668
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 5: to push for an expansion of freedom, and really again

669
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 5: also take on that economic opportunity message as well that

670
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 5: the vice president attempted to. But for various different reasons

671
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 5: that we can unpack, I didn't resonate as strongly as

672
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 5: the one her opponent and the ones in future president

673
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 5: and was able to sell.

674
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually think this election was hardest on younger

675
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: women because for some of these younger women, I don't

676
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 1: know if they understood just how much America could reject them, right.

677
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was really certainly a message you

678
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 5: could see. And yet, you know, we only lose when

679
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 5: we allow others to make us believe that our voices

680
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 5: don't matter, you know, and so to young women, to

681
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 5: all women, our voices matter.

682
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 4: And it's up to us.

683
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Speaker 5: To continue to stand with these young women as well,

684
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Speaker 5: who will inherit what we leave behind and ensure that

685
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 5: they remain in a country that protects them and protects

686
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 5: their freedom and protects their voices, protects their bodies, protects

687
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 5: their safety. That work is still on us to do,

688
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: and the loss of that work on Tuesday that we

689
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 5: endured doesn't change that. It just in my view, makes

690
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 5: it all the more urgent. And history teaches us every

691
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: time we as a people have reacted to setbacks with

692
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 5: a stronger organization, with a stronger determination to push forward.

693
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 5: We have one and every advancement throughout our history has

694
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 5: involved setbacks. So we have to see this as that,

695
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 5: and not a lot not to see it as a

696
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 5: reason to give up. I know a lot of people

697
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 5: want to walk away. It's a lot easier to just

698
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 5: least say I want to leave the country. You know,

699
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 5: I'm done. It's okay to feel that in this moment.

700
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 5: We all felt that in twenty sixteen. But we also

701
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 5: have to at least and a lot of people I'm

702
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 5: CaCu in Michigan are seeing this as an opportunity to

703
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 5: say not on our watch.

704
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: And this story is not over, you know, the story of.

705
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: The Women of Michigan.

706
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: It's not over.

707
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 5: This maybe the sequel to twenty twenty, but it's not

708
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 5: the end of the trilogy. And we're coming back.

709
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's really important, and I think it's

710
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: important to be clear that it was the setback, but

711
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: that also it is an opportunity to learn a lot

712
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: of stuff and then to keep.

713
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 5: Going right, Yeah, and to learn from everything. And we

714
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 5: do this and on my team, whether it was the

715
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 5: after math of the twenty twenty election, whether it's you know,

716
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four and the aftermath we're about to experience.

717
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 5: Use everything to get stronger, use everything to get wiser,

718
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 5: use everything to get to get better, because that's what

719
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 5: the issues and the people that we fight for deserve

720
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 5: and require. And so for me, it's really hard in

721
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 5: moments like this. You want to give up, who want

722
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 5: to walk away, You want to say this is too hard,

723
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 5: and they ever go to win. I'm up against too

724
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 5: many powerful forces. The richest guy in the world and

725
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 5: soon to be, you know, one of the most powerful

726
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 5: elected people in the world.

727
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 4: How do we fight that?

728
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 5: It's easy to feel small, But those forces that want

729
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: us to feel small will win if we allow them.

730
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: To make us feel that way.

731
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 5: If we don't give up on the ideals that brought

732
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 5: us to the fight to begin with, we can keep going.

733
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 5: And I would argue that if we do give up

734
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 5: on the ideals and the values of inclusion and equality

735
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 5: and freedom and protecting the vulnerable, everything that that brings

736
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 5: us to the arena. If we give up on that,

737
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 5: then it's a guarantee that those ideals fail to define

738
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: who we are as a nation. But if we stand

739
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 5: in the arena and we keep fighting, that's our best

740
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 5: shot and our only shot to ensure that we have

741
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 5: a chance to ensure our nation and our republic reflects

742
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: the best of what we've always been since our founding. Yeah,

743
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 5: I have a book coming out in May. I'm not

744
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 5: like saying this to promote it. I'm just saying that

745
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 5: this is like for me. This is why I wrote

746
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 5: that book after twenty twenty, is to say we all

747
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 5: have to be warriors, and we can't allow setbacks or

748
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 5: things out of our control or losses to do anything

749
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 5: other than make us better warriors for who we are

750
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 5: and the communities we fight for. So in this moment,

751
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 5: we have to ask ourselves, how are we going to

752
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 5: pick ourselves back up, dust ourselves off, keep going, and

753
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 5: use this as a moment to build our stronger muscles

754
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 5: to you know, just like athletes. I'm a marathon and

755
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: we run long distances, our muscles break down and then

756
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 5: they come back stronger. So this is a time in

757
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: which we is a community, can feel that weakness, and

758
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: let's use that weakness to come back stronger. And if

759
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 5: we can focus our energy on that, then we can

760
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 5: and will succeed. History teaches us that unequivocally.

761
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's true. I mean, the other or bright

762
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: spot if we're gonna feel better about this rushing electoral

763
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: shit show, is that the Republicans have controlled the House

764
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: for two years and they have been absolutely awful at it,

765
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: and every piece of legislation they've managed to pass has

766
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: been they've had to have democratic help. So you know,

767
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: they'll have an equally small margin if they don't lose

768
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives. So there is some bit of

769
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: good news there.

770
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is always reason to help, and there's always

771
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: a reminder that the reason why these issues, whether it

772
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 5: be reproductive freedom, or whether it be just sort of

773
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 5: keeping our kids safe in schools, or you know, everything

774
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 5: that making sure we can have clean water, drink, clean air,

775
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 5: and a breathe, everything that we fight for, there's a

776
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 5: reason we have to fight for it.

777
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 4: It's because the infrastructure.

778
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 5: Of the world is not set up to make those

779
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 5: things automatic guarantees They're only given to us when we

780
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 5: demand them. And just like democracy only survives when we

781
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 5: fight for it. So this is an opportunity for us

782
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 5: to all ask ourselves, you know, what are we going

783
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 5: to fight for? What are we going to stand for?

784
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 5: And the power of the people will always be more

785
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 5: powerful and greater than the people in power, And we

786
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 5: can't forget that in moments like this, Even though there's

787
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 5: so many different reasons to forget it, there's many more

788
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: reasons to remember the strength that we come when we

789
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 5: come together and don't give up. And I think we

790
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 5: can push forward with courage, with dignity and with grace

791
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 5: and you know, living all of our values and fighting

792
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 5: for what we believe in. If we continue to build solidarity,

793
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 5: to build unity, and to be there for each other,

794
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 5: to stand up for each other, that's when we as

795
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 5: a country are at our best and no one leader

796
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 5: gets to define us in a way that doesn't reflect

797
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 5: those best ideals. We can still maintain the ability to

798
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 5: show the world who we are. It's only if we

799
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 5: give up on that then truly we have lost.

800
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: So are you going to be able to push back

801
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: on Project twenty twenty? And what does that look like.

802
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we have to see how things play out,

803
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 5: and I think there are a lot of entities and

804
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 5: organizations planning out. We still need to yet see what

805
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: Congress looks like. Here in Michigan, we still have the

806
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 5: executive branch, we have the state Senate. So there's a

807
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 5: lot we can do to define what that pushback should

808
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 5: look like, you know, whether it's in the environment, whether

809
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 5: it's in education. And then there's also, you know, a

810
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 5: parallel track of just keeping notes and planning for the

811
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 5: next opportunity to lead the country and what that's going

812
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 5: to look like. And I'm sure there's again a lot,

813
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 5: there's a whole cohort of people doing that. It's about

814
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 5: staying vigilant, staying engaged, people who have scoured through Project

815
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, scouring through it now on coming up

816
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 5: with a plan in response for every action it telegraphs.

817
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 5: That's the type of work we all need to be doing,

818
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 5: and doing it together. You know, this is not the

819
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 5: time to descend into our own disunity. I guess, for

820
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 5: lack of a better word, this is not the time

821
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 5: to point arrows at each other. This is not the

822
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 5: time to say you did this wrong, or you did

823
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 5: that bad and use that as a way to kind

824
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: of demoralize us even more. This is the time for

825
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 5: us to say, yeah, we all messed up, we miss

826
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 5: the mark. These are the reasons why. This is what

827
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 5: we're going to learn from it, and this is what

828
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 5: we're going to come back stronger. That's what the winning

829
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 5: team does, right every I've thought about this a lot

830
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 5: over the last few days. Everyone who's ever accomplished anything

831
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 5: has face setbacks. That's that's reality. The question is always

832
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 5: what do you do next? And that's what we as

833
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 5: a like as women, need to ask ourselves. What do

834
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 5: we do next? That's really the question, And what do

835
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 5: we do next? Given Project twenty five? What alliances we

836
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 5: do we build, what solidarity do we build? And if

837
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 5: we can stay in that space as opposed to space

838
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: about tearing each other down or picking things apart, Like

839
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 5: I'm not interested in that. Let's not waste understand that,

840
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 5: let's learn together from our mishaps, show grace to those

841
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 5: who perhaps fell short. But everyone still has to stay

842
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 5: in the arena because if we leave, we lose. But

843
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 5: if we stay in it and we fight, we can

844
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 5: still win.

845
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a really good point.

846
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: As the Vice President so beautifully articulated right in her

847
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 5: concession speech, which was as much as a concessiant speech

848
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 5: as it was a call to action for the nation

849
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 5: to stay vigilant and stay engaged and stay in the fight.

850
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 5: Maybe that's also just how I respond to things, like

851
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: I take the hit, but then I say, Okay, how

852
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: do I punch back stronger?

853
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: Right?

854
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 5: Like, That's that's what being a warrior is than a fighter.

855
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I think, you know, there's

856
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 5: a clear message that was sent in this election, which

857
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: is that people are hurting and they're looking for people

858
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 5: who will fight for them. And in this case, Trump

859
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 5: made the case, even if it was disingenuous, even if

860
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 5: we could pick it apart, they felt he would fight

861
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 5: for them, and they showed up for him. And so

862
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 5: how do we what lessons do we learn from that?

863
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 5: That's the type of conversation we need to have right now. Yeah,

864
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 5: are you feeling.

865
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Speaker 1: I feel like shit? I don't know. I had the

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Speaker 1: last episode. I apologize to everyone from getting the election

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Speaker 1: so wrong. I personally just really like Vice President Harrison

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Speaker 1: thinks she's smart and they did. Actually, I mean I

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Speaker 1: was just talking to a straight reporter on this who

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Speaker 1: was talking about how in many ways the campaign did

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Speaker 1: a lot of very smart stuff which helped the Senate

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Speaker 1: candidates in some of these swing states, which is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm very disappointed. I also think black women they did

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Speaker 1: so much much for us, so it is very I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's just a very bleak. It just feels

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Speaker 1: very painful to watch the group that you put together

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Speaker 1: who really did come out have to watch that disappointment

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Speaker 1: is I hate. And then also it's just hard. I

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Speaker 1: also am really scared because I've asked, like between feeling

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Speaker 1: a little better because I know how bad Republicans are

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Speaker 1: at governing, and also I know how wildly unpopular a

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Speaker 1: lot of the ideas in Project twenty twenty five are,

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Speaker 1: right like, you know, it's all fun and games until

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Speaker 1: a concentration camp ends up on your block, right Like,

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Speaker 1: So a lot of that stuff is not popular. And

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Speaker 1: I know how ambitious a lot of this agenda is

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Speaker 1: and how hard it is to implement. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: implement good stuff, it's equally hard to implement bad stuff.

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Speaker 1: So that makes me feel a little better, but you know,

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Speaker 5: I know, you know, I would say, yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: it's and it's important. I think to give space to

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Speaker 5: all that in this moment.

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Speaker 6: I really appreciate you coming on yeah, onward, I think

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Speaker 6: is the most important thing to feel to just, you know,

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Speaker 6: make sure we don't give up and make sure we

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Speaker 6: continue to fight.

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Speaker 1: A moment.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon Somali, this is a sad story. What are

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Speaker 2: you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: So Trump received forty six percent of the Latino vote

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Speaker 1: compared to thirty five percent four years ago, and Associated

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Speaker 1: Press poll shows, and that's the most support Latinos have

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Speaker 1: ever shown a Republican presidential candidate. And this is Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: who is calling for mass deportation, who is saying that

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Speaker 1: Mexicans in many cases are quote criminals, drug dealers, rapists,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. So he's also said that immigrants poison the

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Speaker 1: blood of our kind. A lot of these Latinos will

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Speaker 1: be targeted for deportation. So it's a pretty bleak thing

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Speaker 1: to see people vote against their own interests so profoundly.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to bring it up, not because it's

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Speaker 1: fuckery in the fact that it's funny, but fuckery in

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Speaker 1: the fact that it's so dark and profoundly and disheartening.

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