WEBVTT - Hold The Line w/ Buck Sexton - 06-22-22 0:00:11.657 --> 0:00:14.937 You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.937 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:17.977 --> 0:00:27.657 wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to hold the line. 0:00:27.657 --> 0:00:32.457 I'm Buck Sexton. The crime situation in America continues to deteriorate, 0:00:32.537 --> 0:00:37.657 and it is directly attributable to progressive prosecutors, the BLM movement, 0:00:37.817 --> 0:00:43.857 the Democrats overall move toward being soft on crime to 0:00:43.977 --> 0:00:47.417 effectively decriminalize a whole range of crimes. And we are 0:00:47.417 --> 0:00:51.097 now seeing mounting evidence, as if we didn't have enough already, 0:00:51.457 --> 0:00:54.497 of just how catastrophic this is. Coast to coast and 0:00:54.617 --> 0:00:59.697 all around the country. For one thing, the twenty twenty 0:00:59.697 --> 0:01:02.497 to twenty twenty one crime surge and folved a thirty 0:01:02.497 --> 0:01:06.377 percent national increase in homicide. But if you look year 0:01:06.497 --> 0:01:09.377 over year, six months into this point, what you find 0:01:09.537 --> 0:01:12.937 is that we are still not only at record high 0:01:13.017 --> 0:01:16.097 levels of crime nationally. There are a number of cities, 0:01:16.577 --> 0:01:18.697 they're all in the hands of Democrat, they all have 0:01:18.817 --> 0:01:23.457 progressive prosecutors, they are a function of and a province 0:01:23.617 --> 0:01:30.017 of Democrat governance, and thinking they actually have worse crime 0:01:30.137 --> 0:01:34.217 year over year to last year, which was a catastrophically 0:01:34.257 --> 0:01:37.217 bad year for them. Baltimore. This is from Fox News. Baltimore, 0:01:37.257 --> 0:01:41.297 Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Washington, DC, Atlanta, and New York City 0:01:41.537 --> 0:01:43.777 are all on pace to break their twenty twenty one 0:01:43.857 --> 0:01:46.857 levels of violent crime halfway through this year. The nation's 0:01:46.977 --> 0:01:50.257 largest city, leading the group Coordiny crime data compiled by 0:01:50.297 --> 0:01:53.417 Fox News, New York City has seen a twenty five 0:01:53.417 --> 0:01:56.537 percent jump in violent crime at this point in twenty 0:01:56.577 --> 0:01:59.617 twenty two, six months in compared at the same time 0:01:59.617 --> 0:02:03.417 in twenty twenty one, despite seeing a small decreasing the 0:02:03.417 --> 0:02:06.417 amount of homicides recorded in the city. So violence and 0:02:06.617 --> 0:02:12.577 lawlessness on the rise, and again in cities where democrats 0:02:12.617 --> 0:02:17.297 just a few years ago we're touting their new no 0:02:17.617 --> 0:02:24.537 cash bail policies, their lower prosecution rates and lower incarceration 0:02:24.657 --> 0:02:28.257 rates for criminal offenders. Well, now we see what the 0:02:28.297 --> 0:02:31.577 results of this are, and it's predictable and it's tragic. 0:02:32.217 --> 0:02:35.137 Now there has to be accountability. Here's just to give 0:02:35.137 --> 0:02:36.777 you a sense of some of the increases. Remember these 0:02:36.777 --> 0:02:40.177 are year over year increases from twenty twenty one, which 0:02:40.217 --> 0:02:43.337 is one of the worst years ever for violent crime, 0:02:43.497 --> 0:02:47.177 at least in let's say thirty or forty years in America. 0:02:47.377 --> 0:02:50.137 Atlanta is up five point five percent year over year, 0:02:50.177 --> 0:02:54.457 Baltimore six percent, Philadelphia seven Los Angeles eight percent, Washing 0:02:54.537 --> 0:02:59.017 DC twelve percent, New York City twenty five percent. Now 0:02:59.057 --> 0:03:03.057 this is a particularly big problem. This is particularly a 0:03:03.057 --> 0:03:05.857 big challenge for the city to explain because they have 0:03:05.897 --> 0:03:10.937 a new mayor right here, they are looking at this situation. 0:03:10.937 --> 0:03:13.697 Look at the circumstance where they the people of New 0:03:13.777 --> 0:03:20.497 York elected a former police captain to become the mayor 0:03:20.537 --> 0:03:22.337 of New York City so that he could crack down 0:03:22.377 --> 0:03:27.257 on violent crime. And sure enough, it is actually going 0:03:27.417 --> 0:03:31.977 in the opposite direction. And this is also for Fox News. 0:03:32.017 --> 0:03:37.097 Los Angeles, Washington, DC, Baltimore, Milwaukee, and Atlanta have all 0:03:37.137 --> 0:03:40.497 seen homicide numbers outpaced their mark in twenty twenty one, 0:03:41.017 --> 0:03:43.457 Milwaukee seeing the largest spike of the group, according to 0:03:43.537 --> 0:03:47.937 crime data. So this is now specifically on homicide. You 0:03:48.017 --> 0:03:52.857 have Los Angeles, DC, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Atlanta more murders this year. 0:03:53.537 --> 0:03:56.377 Now I understand you look at this data and you say, well, 0:03:56.417 --> 0:03:58.777 this is just a procious and everybody can understand that. 0:03:58.777 --> 0:04:03.297 Everybody can see what an outrage this is. So how 0:04:03.337 --> 0:04:06.097 do we change it well. One way to change it 0:04:06.137 --> 0:04:13.497 would be to stop instituting maniacally reckless policies at the 0:04:14.617 --> 0:04:20.777 level of city y police department policy, mayoral offices, prosecutors' offices. 0:04:21.097 --> 0:04:24.817 Here's an example. The Chicago Police Department has unveiled a 0:04:24.897 --> 0:04:28.817 new policy prohibiting its officers from chasing people on foot 0:04:28.857 --> 0:04:31.737 simply because they run away or because they have committed 0:04:31.777 --> 0:04:39.057 minor offenses. So now, if a officer in Chicago see someone, 0:04:39.137 --> 0:04:43.297 let's say, steal a purse from somebody or run out 0:04:43.297 --> 0:04:45.737 of a store with a bagfull of stolen goods, it 0:04:45.897 --> 0:04:49.577 is now official policy, as it seems, from the City 0:04:49.617 --> 0:04:51.817 of Chicago, that that officer should not give chase. And 0:04:51.857 --> 0:04:54.777 by the way, even if under the rules and regulations, 0:04:55.177 --> 0:04:58.377 the officer could justify giving chase, would he or she 0:04:59.177 --> 0:05:02.537 want to knowing that that chase could result in a 0:05:02.577 --> 0:05:06.297 physical altercation of some kind, and that if the basis 0:05:06.337 --> 0:05:10.777 for the chase was ruled invalid under departmental regulation, there's 0:05:10.817 --> 0:05:14.937 always the possibility of some kind of discipline being meted 0:05:14.977 --> 0:05:18.377 out really, of course, for political reasons against that officer. 0:05:18.697 --> 0:05:22.177 So what do you have. You have fewer people who 0:05:22.217 --> 0:05:25.737 are carrying a badge and a gun in Chicago. And 0:05:25.897 --> 0:05:28.217 this is true in so many cities who are willing 0:05:28.297 --> 0:05:34.657 to do aggressive, effective policing against the criminal element that 0:05:34.737 --> 0:05:38.457 exists in every society and that unfortunately has been emboldened 0:05:38.497 --> 0:05:41.937 so much in hours. But there are some, I mean, 0:05:41.977 --> 0:05:46.537 here's the Chicago Police superintendent who says that the foot 0:05:46.577 --> 0:05:50.737 pursuit policy makes officers and the community safer. Why And 0:05:50.777 --> 0:05:52.937 I just want to add as an overview for pursuit 0:05:52.977 --> 0:05:56.297 policies have been part of law enforces over a decade now. 0:05:57.257 --> 0:06:01.097 Just because Chicaglo PD is now implementing a permanent when 0:06:01.537 --> 0:06:04.017 the impacts on crime has been studied and we can 0:06:04.137 --> 0:06:07.377 look back at foot pursuit policies, it's made officers safer 0:06:07.657 --> 0:06:10.777 and it's made the community safer in cities that's implementing 0:06:10.777 --> 0:06:13.817 this so for a decade. So the expectation for us is, 0:06:14.617 --> 0:06:17.617 like Bob mentioned, what we're learned and be informed by 0:06:17.617 --> 0:06:22.017 our documentation and review of how to continue to enhance 0:06:22.097 --> 0:06:25.937 officers safety as well as enhanced safety of our residents. 0:06:28.217 --> 0:06:30.337 Fascinating that someone could say that and think that it 0:06:30.417 --> 0:06:35.577 doesn't sound utterly moronic. How does it make the city safer? 0:06:35.977 --> 0:06:41.497 It may reduce officer involved officer involved altercations, of course, 0:06:41.537 --> 0:06:44.897 because they're not enforcing the law. But what does that 0:06:45.017 --> 0:06:47.337 do to the law in the city. What does it 0:06:47.457 --> 0:06:51.737 do to criminality? What happens with those who are now 0:06:51.777 --> 0:06:53.777 emboldened to break the law more than every because they 0:06:53.817 --> 0:06:56.697 know they won't be chased. What we've seen is actually 0:06:56.737 --> 0:07:00.577 these cities deteriorating from a safety perspective. What we've seen 0:07:00.697 --> 0:07:03.497 is a massive increase in lawlessness. He's gonna say there's 0:07:03.537 --> 0:07:07.657 a foot patrol policy that is provably better, just absurd. 0:07:07.737 --> 0:07:11.857 It's just a stupid thing to say, and yet he 0:07:11.897 --> 0:07:14.697 says it and people are going to go along with it. 0:07:14.737 --> 0:07:17.297 You have to wonder, of course, there was a high 0:07:17.297 --> 0:07:22.257 profile chase that did involve two individuals who had guns, 0:07:22.417 --> 0:07:26.017 and there there were shots fired by police in response 0:07:26.057 --> 0:07:28.817 to this huge political uproar of this. That's what the 0:07:28.817 --> 0:07:32.617 foot chase policies all about, and that's why it's becoming 0:07:32.617 --> 0:07:34.817 permanent right now. And then you also have it's not 0:07:34.857 --> 0:07:37.617 just that at the command level of major police departments 0:07:37.617 --> 0:07:40.977 in Democrat cities. You also have the progressive prosecutors like 0:07:41.017 --> 0:07:45.097 George Gascon. As we know chessa Budan in San Francisco 0:07:45.417 --> 0:07:50.297 is out because people got sick of stepping over needles 0:07:50.417 --> 0:07:53.737 with their children in public parks, and their houses being 0:07:53.777 --> 0:07:58.737 broken into constantly, their cars being broken into constantly, the assaults, 0:07:59.577 --> 0:08:03.617 the constant threats. It was enough, right well, Los Angeles 0:08:03.657 --> 0:08:06.457 has many of the same problems, and recently Gascone, the 0:08:06.577 --> 0:08:09.617 DA came under a lot of well deserved heat because 0:08:09.617 --> 0:08:13.217 he led gang member who under law, should have been 0:08:13.257 --> 0:08:17.017 sentenced under a three strikes law let a gang member 0:08:17.097 --> 0:08:21.417 out who then killed two cops. And Gascone, who is 0:08:21.697 --> 0:08:26.457 the worst a disgrace to any prosecutorial outfit anywhere in 0:08:26.497 --> 0:08:29.577 the country, is defending it, saying, yeah, we did the 0:08:29.657 --> 0:08:32.057 right thing with that gang member who then killed two cops. 0:08:32.097 --> 0:08:35.937 Watch this do the outcome in this particular case, given 0:08:36.057 --> 0:08:42.457 what we knew then, no history of violence, very little 0:08:42.457 --> 0:08:45.257 contact with a criminal justice system for nearly ten years 0:08:45.977 --> 0:08:54.697 was appropriate. When people are arrested for serious crimes, we 0:08:54.737 --> 0:09:00.177 work hard to ensure that there are serious consequences, including 0:09:00.297 --> 0:09:07.537 lengthy periods of incarceration, But we have an imperfect system. 0:09:07.577 --> 0:09:13.737 And that's not only hear in Laus everywhere. 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Violent crime is a major national news story 0:11:40.497 --> 0:11:42.697 because of exactly the statistics we've been talking to you 0:11:42.697 --> 0:11:48.857 about on this show. Unprecedented increases in shootings, in murders, 0:11:48.897 --> 0:11:51.577 and this is across the country, major cities, and it 0:11:51.697 --> 0:11:56.137 continued beyond the horrific year of a thirty percent nationwide 0:11:56.137 --> 0:11:59.577 increase in twenty twenty to twenty twenty one. What can 0:11:59.577 --> 0:12:03.777 we do to combat the situation, and also want to 0:12:03.817 --> 0:12:06.417 talk about the latest updates from Uvalde. We're joined now 0:12:06.497 --> 0:12:11.057 by James Gagliano. He is a retired FBI agent was 0:12:11.057 --> 0:12:14.497 a member of an FBI hostage rescue team during his 0:12:15.057 --> 0:12:18.977 time serving. James, thanks for being with us. Did join 0:12:19.017 --> 0:12:22.617 you Buck as always, So let's just start with the 0:12:23.257 --> 0:12:28.697 crime data. Looking at the numbers you have even compared 0:12:28.777 --> 0:12:33.737 to last year was a terrible year nationwide, cities, towns, rural. 0:12:34.057 --> 0:12:36.857 There were spikes in crime really all over the country 0:12:37.417 --> 0:12:40.897 starting in twenty twenty and going through twenty twenty one. 0:12:41.057 --> 0:12:42.737 But here we are in twenty twenty two in the 0:12:42.817 --> 0:12:47.217 data in Atlanta, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, DC, New York 0:12:47.737 --> 0:12:51.457 all showing year over year increases. So it's not like 0:12:51.497 --> 0:12:53.617 we had a really bad year, We've got it under control. 0:12:54.097 --> 0:12:57.217 It's actually continuing to get worse in these cities. First off, 0:12:57.617 --> 0:13:01.497 is that surprising to you just from a criminal justice 0:13:01.497 --> 0:13:05.057 statistical perspective? And what do you think is pushing these 0:13:05.137 --> 0:13:09.297 numbers even higher than we've seen them. Yeah, it is 0:13:09.337 --> 0:13:12.617 no surprise to me, Buck, absolutely not. There's two things 0:13:12.697 --> 0:13:19.137 that drive this. One is a permissive environment, because criminals, evildoers, 0:13:19.537 --> 0:13:22.297 they take the path of least resistance and they will 0:13:22.337 --> 0:13:24.937 take what you give them. And when you have this 0:13:25.057 --> 0:13:29.817 influx of progressive prosecutors. And we know that in San Francisco, 0:13:29.937 --> 0:13:33.697 chase of Bodin was just recalled. We know that George 0:13:33.817 --> 0:13:37.737 Gascone in Los Angeles is under fire right now for 0:13:37.777 --> 0:13:40.057 the fact that he let out a felon who was 0:13:40.177 --> 0:13:43.777 arrested with a gun and drugs and gave improbation, and 0:13:43.817 --> 0:13:46.737 that felon went on to kill two police officers recently. 0:13:47.097 --> 0:13:50.657 You've got Alvin Bragg in Manhattan. You've got Kim Fox 0:13:50.657 --> 0:13:54.657 in Chicago, You've got Larry Krasner in Philadelphia. These folks, 0:13:54.777 --> 0:13:57.497 we live in a society where our criminal justice system 0:13:57.577 --> 0:14:00.377 is imperfect, but it is the best in the world. 0:14:00.817 --> 0:14:05.017 But it depends buck on an advertarial adversarial system where 0:14:05.377 --> 0:14:09.297 the defense has an opportunity to make their case, but 0:14:09.377 --> 0:14:12.057 the prosecutution represents me and you and the rest of 0:14:12.057 --> 0:14:16.177 the public, and when the prosecution helps makes the defenses case. 0:14:16.737 --> 0:14:19.417 That's why we're seeing all these numbers driven up right now. 0:14:19.697 --> 0:14:23.217 There is no fear right now, there's no repercussions. That's 0:14:23.217 --> 0:14:27.017 why smashing grabs are going on, grand theft auto is up, 0:14:27.337 --> 0:14:30.737 robberies are up. It's because people understand there's a permissive 0:14:30.817 --> 0:14:33.417 environment and they're going to do whatever it takes to 0:14:33.417 --> 0:14:36.617 get away with things because they know there are no consequences. 0:14:36.617 --> 0:14:43.097 But from a criminal justice perspective, how do you assess 0:14:43.977 --> 0:14:46.297 new policies that have been put in place in cities 0:14:46.337 --> 0:14:51.097 like Chicago, where they now have a no foot chase rule, 0:14:51.577 --> 0:14:54.057 and that extent for for police, meaning that if police 0:14:54.137 --> 0:14:57.777 believe that somebody is in the course of committing a 0:14:57.817 --> 0:15:00.217 crime or has committed a crime and runs from them, 0:15:00.537 --> 0:15:03.497 unless they think it's a serious violent felony that has 0:15:03.497 --> 0:15:06.737 occurred or the person poses an immediate threat to the public, 0:15:07.137 --> 0:15:10.097 the cops aren't even supposed to run after individuals. So 0:15:10.177 --> 0:15:12.737 you see this, you say, okay, So, let's say a 0:15:12.817 --> 0:15:16.337 group of organized retail theft and organized retail theft gang 0:15:16.417 --> 0:15:19.657 goes into one of those fancy handback stores and steals 0:15:19.817 --> 0:15:22.657 one hundred thousand dollars of stuff in three or four minutes, 0:15:22.697 --> 0:15:26.777 as they've done in downtown Chicago, for example. Cops arrive 0:15:26.857 --> 0:15:30.377 on the scene, those individuals run with those handbags. The 0:15:30.457 --> 0:15:34.177 cops aren't allowed to chase them. How is there any 0:15:34.257 --> 0:15:37.457 law and order when that's the policy of the city 0:15:37.457 --> 0:15:42.577 of Chicago. Yeah. Again, it speaks to It speaks to 0:15:42.617 --> 0:15:47.737 the fact that the criminal element understands and senses weakness, 0:15:47.817 --> 0:15:50.897 and in this instance, that's what it is. Look Alvin 0:15:50.937 --> 0:15:55.297 Bragg in Manhattan, the DA there put out a policy 0:15:55.337 --> 0:15:58.577 memorandum right after he's elected and stated that he was 0:15:58.697 --> 0:16:03.177 not going to be seeking prosecutions for resisting arrest. So 0:16:03.217 --> 0:16:06.337 what does that tell the potential subject, Hey, I've got 0:16:06.337 --> 0:16:08.817 a chance to get away, and if I don't get 0:16:08.857 --> 0:16:11.137 away and I club police officer on the head with 0:16:11.217 --> 0:16:13.417 a cudgel or punch him in the face, I'm not 0:16:13.457 --> 0:16:16.817 going to be prosecuted for it. Same thing in Chicago. 0:16:17.257 --> 0:16:19.577 Cops have a tough job. We all know that you 0:16:19.617 --> 0:16:22.657 and I have discussed this many times before, but now 0:16:22.857 --> 0:16:25.497 they have to make not just the snap judgments that 0:16:25.657 --> 0:16:28.177 come with the information vacuum they're dealing with when they 0:16:28.217 --> 0:16:31.097 respond to a crime in progress, but they've got to 0:16:31.137 --> 0:16:35.737 determine was this an aggravated assault or simple assault. If 0:16:35.737 --> 0:16:38.777 it's an aggregated aggravated assault, then I can take off 0:16:38.817 --> 0:16:41.817 and try to catch this guy. If not, I might 0:16:41.857 --> 0:16:46.017 be subjecting myself to some type of legal ramifications. At 0:16:46.057 --> 0:16:48.657 the end of this, it's not worth it. And when 0:16:48.657 --> 0:16:51.857 you sense that the police departments are having a tough 0:16:51.857 --> 0:16:54.497 time now with recruiting, they're having a tough time with 0:16:54.537 --> 0:16:58.977 retention that people are leaving in droves, and police departments 0:16:58.977 --> 0:17:02.297 are having trouble recruiting young people men and women, to 0:17:02.417 --> 0:17:04.897 come and be part of this. What does that say. 0:17:05.097 --> 0:17:06.937 It means we're in a bad spot right now and 0:17:06.977 --> 0:17:10.177 we've got to change this. But the pendulum always swing 0:17:10.297 --> 0:17:13.177 back and course correct. We're going in a bad direction 0:17:13.257 --> 0:17:15.217 right now, just like we were in the seventies and 0:17:15.257 --> 0:17:18.497 the eighties and then broken windows became a thing. We 0:17:18.497 --> 0:17:21.097 don't need to reinvent the wheel. We need to use 0:17:21.217 --> 0:17:24.377 what worked, things like broken windows policing and I since 0:17:24.697 --> 0:17:26.417 a lot of cities are going to be moving back 0:17:26.417 --> 0:17:29.577 to that line of thought pretty soon, James warned to 0:17:30.097 --> 0:17:34.377 switch to another really important and very difficult topic of 0:17:34.497 --> 0:17:39.657 the latest on the Uval Day School massacre police response. 0:17:40.097 --> 0:17:45.177 There is video now that shows individuals from law enforcement 0:17:45.737 --> 0:17:48.817 essentially in a stacked position in the hallway and he's 0:17:49.377 --> 0:17:51.177 ready to go in. They waited for over an hour. 0:17:51.257 --> 0:17:54.097 Here's the Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McGraw 0:17:54.817 --> 0:17:56.977 saying the suspect could have been stopped within three minute. 0:17:56.977 --> 0:18:01.217 Why there's compelling evidence at the law enforcement response to 0:18:01.257 --> 0:18:05.057 the attack at rob Elementary was an abject failure and 0:18:05.177 --> 0:18:08.697 anathetical to everything we've learned over the last two decades 0:18:08.937 --> 0:18:12.577 since the Call of Mine. Massacre three minutes after the 0:18:12.577 --> 0:18:16.017 subject under the West Building, there a sufficient number of 0:18:16.137 --> 0:18:21.137 armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract, and neutralize 0:18:21.177 --> 0:18:26.057 the subject. The only thing stopping the hallway of dedicated 0:18:26.097 --> 0:18:30.017 officers from any room one eleven and one twelve was 0:18:30.057 --> 0:18:33.657 the unseen commander who decided to place the lives of 0:18:33.657 --> 0:18:37.337 officers before the lives of children. I mean, that is 0:18:37.377 --> 0:18:40.377 a stunning indictment to say that he placed the lives 0:18:40.377 --> 0:18:44.257 of officers over the lives of children. Based on the facts, though, James, 0:18:45.057 --> 0:18:48.177 is that just an honest assessment of what happened here? 0:18:48.577 --> 0:18:51.937 Given that there's video, there's no question and the timeline 0:18:52.017 --> 0:18:55.417 is not in dispute either, that you had multiple officers 0:18:55.457 --> 0:18:59.577 in the hallway with long guns and tactical shields and 0:18:59.737 --> 0:19:03.617 bullet resistant kevlar vests on who waited over an hour 0:19:04.057 --> 0:19:07.377 while there were still active shooting going on in that classroom. 0:19:07.417 --> 0:19:11.817 How did this happen? What do you think about this? Police? Well, 0:19:11.857 --> 0:19:15.257 I agree with him right there. It was an abject failure. 0:19:15.497 --> 0:19:17.177 And Buck, I think you know me well enough to 0:19:17.217 --> 0:19:20.897 know now, I'm very careful on waiting to weigh in 0:19:21.417 --> 0:19:23.697 until all the facts are at hand, and I know 0:19:23.777 --> 0:19:27.297 that there is an ongoing investigation. Pieces are leaking out. 0:19:27.457 --> 0:19:31.257 The things that are leaking out are beyond stressing. They 0:19:31.297 --> 0:19:35.577 are it's unconscionable. Now. I think the biggest breakdown in 0:19:35.617 --> 0:19:38.657 the incident command system here was the fact that you 0:19:38.737 --> 0:19:42.177 had a police chief who had a six member police 0:19:42.177 --> 0:19:45.577 department for the school district, and this police chief, Aridondo, 0:19:45.937 --> 0:19:49.497 who was the unseen commander and making the calls throughout. 0:19:49.977 --> 0:19:52.777 Now from the time the shooter entered the school until 0:19:52.857 --> 0:19:56.537 the shooter was neutralized interdicted by a Customs and Border 0:19:56.537 --> 0:19:59.457 Patrol TAC team I believe was the total of seventy 0:19:59.457 --> 0:20:04.457 seven minutes. The fact that post Columbine Post Columbine, which 0:20:04.457 --> 0:20:07.497 happened in April of nineteen ninety nine, we are twenty 0:20:07.577 --> 0:20:10.937 three years past that where we learned ainful lessons when 0:20:10.977 --> 0:20:14.337 law enforcement officers waited in the parking lot for homogeneous 0:20:14.337 --> 0:20:17.777 tactical team to show up and gave the shooters forty 0:20:17.937 --> 0:20:23.057 seven minutes from entry to commit heinous crimes killing people, teachers, 0:20:23.377 --> 0:20:26.857 killing us students. In this instance, I think it was 0:20:26.897 --> 0:20:29.497 a lesson learned for all of us here, but especially 0:20:29.537 --> 0:20:32.577 a painful one in law enforcement. Someone from one of 0:20:32.577 --> 0:20:34.897 the other agencies that respond, whether it was a federal 0:20:34.897 --> 0:20:38.057 agency like Customs and Border Protection or the Department of 0:20:38.097 --> 0:20:42.057 Public Safety for Texas, which is a much larger agency. 0:20:42.377 --> 0:20:45.097 A sergeant or lieutenant there is the equivalent of a 0:20:45.177 --> 0:20:49.017 police chief anywhere else, should have taken charge of the scene. 0:20:49.217 --> 0:20:51.737 And yes, Buck, to your point, they should have gone 0:20:51.737 --> 0:20:54.697 to the sound of the guns when young children who 0:20:54.697 --> 0:20:57.817 are not outfitted in body armor and are covering up 0:20:57.857 --> 0:21:01.417 with notebooks and chiefs of paper are waiting on the 0:21:01.457 --> 0:21:05.697 perfect homogeneous tactical team to make entry. Buck, we're doing 0:21:05.737 --> 0:21:10.417 it wrong. James, appreciate the expertise. 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Fourteen Republicans went along with it. 0:22:48.457 --> 0:22:51.337 Which a lot of people on the writers saying, what 0:22:51.497 --> 0:22:54.697 the heck is going on here? Well, when we have 0:22:54.737 --> 0:22:56.737 a question like that and it has to do with 0:22:56.777 --> 0:23:00.417 the Second Amendment, gotta ask our buddy, dam Edwards, damn, 0:23:00.417 --> 0:23:04.417 what's going on? Hey? Buck? Hey, why are you man? So? 0:23:04.497 --> 0:23:09.377 First off, any surprises on the Republicans who went along 0:23:09.377 --> 0:23:14.217 with this, Yeah, Tidy Young of Indiana was a bit 0:23:14.257 --> 0:23:16.097 of a surprise, although I didn't see a quote from 0:23:16.177 --> 0:23:18.697 him I think on Monday or Tuesday of this week 0:23:18.737 --> 0:23:21.097 that indicated like he was, you know, looking forward to 0:23:21.137 --> 0:23:24.057 seeing what they came up with, So he was a 0:23:24.097 --> 0:23:27.177 bit of a surprise. Murkowski was not as much of 0:23:27.177 --> 0:23:30.097 a surprise to me. And then you know, let's we've 0:23:30.097 --> 0:23:32.577 had ten Republicans who sat all along like as as 0:23:32.617 --> 0:23:36.817 long as the final legislation followed that basic framework that 0:23:36.857 --> 0:23:40.497 they were in support, So I wasn't too surprised. I 0:23:40.497 --> 0:23:43.337 actually predicted before a vote was held yesterday that this 0:23:43.377 --> 0:23:47.577 would get sixty five votes and get in sixty four, 0:23:47.617 --> 0:23:50.657 so I was pretty close. I was one off. So 0:23:51.737 --> 0:23:53.577 now we are at this point where people of course 0:23:53.617 --> 0:23:57.097 have been saying until today, well, you don't even know 0:23:57.137 --> 0:23:59.217 what's in it. Because the text is in public, so 0:23:59.257 --> 0:24:01.817 you're just going on you know, hearsay or whatever. Right, 0:24:01.857 --> 0:24:03.377 this is how the people that want this stuff to 0:24:03.417 --> 0:24:06.897 pass play games in the media. Now they've actually got 0:24:06.897 --> 0:24:09.417 a text, now they've actually voted on it. They dropped it, 0:24:09.497 --> 0:24:13.977 as i'ner stand it last night, eighty pages, so very 0:24:14.017 --> 0:24:16.537 little time even for the Senate staffers, never mind the 0:24:16.537 --> 0:24:20.137 senators themselves to go over this and see what's it 0:24:20.257 --> 0:24:24.057 it based on what we know, Kim, what's in it? 0:24:24.257 --> 0:24:27.497 And even more importantly, how do you see this actually 0:24:27.497 --> 0:24:31.137 being implemented or what happens now if this gets signed, 0:24:31.137 --> 0:24:35.017 which we believe it will by Biden in the law. Well, 0:24:35.097 --> 0:24:38.217