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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles, has a three and out podcast, rams
Speaker 2: hold On to beat the Bills forty four or forty two.
Speaker 2: Before I talk about the game, there was a really
Speaker 2: interesting play at the very end of the game. It
Speaker 2: did not cost the Bills the game, but I thought
Speaker 2: Tom Brady touched on it and it drove me crazy.
Speaker 2: This is one of the things I don't love defensive
Speaker 2: coaches and sometimes a lack of sense of urgency with
Speaker 2: the offense. So there was about a minute fifteen left
Speaker 2: and Brady kind of nailed it. Spread your team out,
Speaker 2: take three quick shots into the end zone, get a touchdown.
Speaker 2: You want to have about a minute twenty left, drive
Speaker 2: down and score. And then Sean McDermott twice ran the
Speaker 2: ball into the end zone, which he had to burn
Speaker 2: one of his own timeouts. The second one they scored
Speaker 2: on and it just situational football. It didn't in the
Speaker 2: end matter, but that was like one of those oh,
Speaker 2: this is really obvious. I think the Andy Reids, mcveigh's
Speaker 2: Shanahan's would get that. That drove me nuts. Did it
Speaker 2: bother you.
Speaker 1: No to me when you're in that situation when you
Speaker 1: need the on side kick at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: I basically, in my mind give you a loss. I
Speaker 1: just it doesn't bother me. Like that game was lost
Speaker 1: early in the game when the Bill showed up really flat.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, they showed up like today. They showed up
Speaker 1: today like it was a trap game. Yeah. Right, Sunday night,
Speaker 1: they win the division, which it's about as early as
Speaker 1: you can win a division in the NFL. December first, right,
Speaker 1: you fly across the country to play the Rams, who
Speaker 1: aren't some scrub team, but you got the Lions next week,
Speaker 1: and you come out flat, and it took a herculean
Speaker 1: effort from Josh just to get back into the game.
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, your defense, which has been really good,
Speaker 1: was bad today. I mean they were getting slice and dice.
Speaker 1: And let's face it, Nickveigh, Matt Stafford, these two guys,
Speaker 1: offensive wizard, great quarterback, both make a lot of money.
Speaker 1: They have not been that good for about a month.
Speaker 1: This was not the Rams team that we have been watching, right,
Speaker 1: they have not been played well on offense. Now they
Speaker 1: are offensive lines coming back together, but today I thought
Speaker 1: they went toe to toe. I thought with the best
Speaker 1: player in the league.
Speaker 2: I thought it was the best the Rams have played
Speaker 2: since the Super Bowl season. I thought they played nearly
Speaker 2: a flawless football game. The fact that Buffalo scored so
Speaker 2: many points. Josh Allen first player in the history of
Speaker 2: the sport as a quarterback to have three rushing and
Speaker 2: three passing touchdowns in the same game. If you did
Speaker 2: not see this game, it may be the single greatest
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen a moment of a
Speaker 2: player caring a franchise. The secondary for the Bills was
Speaker 2: banged up and torched. They came in with no juice.
Speaker 2: He single handedly kept them in the game with running play,
Speaker 2: not just casual running plays, not six eight yards like
Speaker 2: twenty five forty yard running plays. I mean, Mahomes has
Speaker 2: all the trophies. Mahomes is not his talent, that is
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. Josh Allen's insane and I thought this was
Speaker 2: a You know, Pukas had injury issues, so is Cooper
Speaker 2: cup and they're gonna draft a receiver. I'm pretty strongly
Speaker 2: a believer of that. But it shows you why the
Speaker 2: Rams are now seven and six and with Arizona fumbling
Speaker 2: San Francisco. Feels big win today for them, but it
Speaker 2: feels like they're just a little disjointed. If the Rams
Speaker 2: sneak into the playoffs, John, watch out, because I would
Speaker 2: have no interest plan this team.
Speaker 1: Well. To me, Thursday night they played the Niners, so
Speaker 1: they could kind of end the Niner season, right, they
Speaker 1: could end the Niner season. They would be eight and
Speaker 1: six and they would be in position Seattle. If Mike
Speaker 1: McDonald was an offensive coach, we'd be talking about him
Speaker 1: like a mcpah shanny when he coaches defense. He's done
Speaker 1: a fantastic job. But this is must win for really
Speaker 1: the Niners, you know, aren't really alive and they lost
Speaker 1: another player today. At the end of the game, they're
Speaker 1: running back got hurts and they're on their seventh running back.
Speaker 1: But the Rams, this goes back to last year. When
Speaker 1: Pooka plays like this he had twelve for one sixty,
Speaker 1: he becomes, you know, essentially, he becomes like Marvin Harrison
Speaker 1: or a Chris Carter or you know, justin he becomes
Speaker 1: an unstoppable force. They are tough to beat. Because I
Speaker 1: was texting with some buddies this week, Jared Verse and
Speaker 1: Fisk are so good. Yeah, those those two draft picks
Speaker 1: are immediately people around the league they're violent because he's
Speaker 1: like I was texting with the buddy who's like, you
Speaker 1: know there, their talent on defense isn't that great, but
Speaker 1: their defensive line is via excellent. And it starts with
Speaker 1: those two guys, and a lot of people thought like,
Speaker 1: is Fisk a little bit of an overdraft you know
Speaker 1: verse will his power translate? It's translated. Yeah, And those
Speaker 1: two guys are ass kickers. To me, it's all about Puka,
Speaker 1: who they had to wrap at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: Now he came back in something to monitor now short week.
Speaker 1: But the other thing and you hit on it. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of these arguments, I think on social
Speaker 1: media and just when we talk about Josh all In
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson, I understand Lamar has a couple MVPs. Now,
Speaker 1: last year's MVP was not a great MVP season, Like
Speaker 1: if you look at his numbers, he had a much
Speaker 1: better season than nineteen statistically up until a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He was blowing that season away. This year,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is one of the best players ever any
Speaker 1: sport I've ever read yes, Like, how are we arguing
Speaker 1: when we watched this game play? Like, yeah, does he
Speaker 1: throw a couple of picks? Yes, so did far.
Speaker 2: By the way talking, he is to me Otani he
Speaker 2: is different than the other great players like Otani. Mookie
Speaker 2: Betts is amazing, but he looks small compared to Otani
Speaker 2: because he is. I mean, it has an o'tanni feel
Speaker 2: like while you may be watching, you may be watching
Speaker 2: the greatest talent ever. I mean, John Elway ran. He
Speaker 2: didn't do this. John Elway was strong. He wasn't this.
Speaker 2: John Alway had a good arm. I'm not sure it
Speaker 2: was this like and again we all acknowledged Mahomes, but
Speaker 2: Mahomes has read a great ownership. I mean, everything is
Speaker 2: Patrick's terrific. But what I watched today, I mean, just
Speaker 2: here's the thing I worry about with Buffalo. Kansas City
Speaker 2: never delivers that Kansas City when they show up with
Speaker 2: no juice. Now, this did happen early in mahomes career.
Speaker 2: They'd fall behind twenty four to ten and you'd be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. But in the last three years Kansas
Speaker 2: City does not do this. You can beat them, you
Speaker 2: can beat them at Arrowhead, but they rarely come with
Speaker 2: no juice. And that's a team with two trophies. Buffalo
Speaker 2: doesn't have one, and it worries me at times. Like
Speaker 2: the first half was twenty four to fourteen. The Rams
Speaker 2: did whatever they wanted to Kyraen Williams rap Pooker cup.
Speaker 2: I mean, they just did whatever they wanted to do.
Speaker 2: It was like eight man football for Buffalo. It's like,
Speaker 2: is anybody guarding the receivers? That does trouble me? They
Speaker 2: were on about a four or five week run where
Speaker 2: I had not seen this, But don't they give you
Speaker 2: this about four times a year?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've been doing it now for a couple
Speaker 1: of years. But then they bounced back. You know, next
Speaker 1: week they're playing Detroit, who still I would imagine even
Speaker 1: with the mini buy, still gonna have a bunch of injuries.
Speaker 1: Like that's a pretty big moment for Buffalo because Colin
Speaker 1: they finished with Patriots, Jets Patriots. Yeah, so they should
Speaker 1: be able to sleep walk to go three and zero
Speaker 1: down the stretch. But what off to see. You know,
Speaker 1: Kansas City still got a couple of tough games. Every
Speaker 1: game they play is close. I don't think this totally
Speaker 1: kills Buffalo from the number one seed because if you
Speaker 1: look at Pittsburgh's last four games, it's like Philly Baltimore brutal,
Speaker 1: Like they got a tough they got a tough schedule.
Speaker 1: So to me, Buffalo, their schedule eases up. And I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna learn a lot about them with Detroit
Speaker 1: because we already know about Detroit right their competitive character,
Speaker 1: their makeup. You could never write them off for they
Speaker 1: could be thrown me and you out there on defense.
Speaker 1: But today was the first half was embarrassing for Buffalo.
Speaker 1: That can't happen if you want to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And then they're not even when healthy, are talented enough
Speaker 1: to just cruise out. Their defense is not loaded with names.
Speaker 2: The back once you pay your star quarterback. Kansas City
Speaker 2: has offensive tackle issues. They're still trying to figure out. Frankly,
Speaker 2: their receiving corps. They're not as good at corner as
Speaker 2: they were last year. Like it's there once you pay
Speaker 2: the quarterback, you're I mean right now. Baltimore's back end,
Speaker 2: Joe Burrows defense is atrocious. If you look at Stafford,
Speaker 2: let's be honest about it. The offensive line, it feels
Speaker 2: like they're playing catchup with the Rams the last several years.
Speaker 2: They don't pay a single person right now on the
Speaker 2: defensive side. They can't afford to, So I just I
Speaker 2: think it really that's why coaching and quarterback play john
Speaker 2: is so essential in January, December and early February. There
Speaker 2: are no perfect teams. They're just you can't. The transfer portal,
Speaker 2: by the way, has done this to college football in
Speaker 2: the NIL. The minute you think you're loaded, you lose all.
Speaker 2: Like in Ohio State can't carry three great tackles because
Speaker 2: somebody poaches the best tackle they have. That's not starting.
Speaker 2: So like in college football, the unintended benefit of the
Speaker 2: transfer portal in ANIL is there's no more Alabama's.
Speaker 1: That's over.
Speaker 2: Like there's just too many teams here. And when I
Speaker 2: watch the NFL, you're like, quarterback play in coaching obviously matters,
Speaker 2: but there are coaching becomes essential because I mean, you
Speaker 2: watch Buffalo in the back end today, Baltimore's back end, Jesus,
Speaker 2: it's those are bad secondaries.
Speaker 1: The one thing with Buffalo and same thing with Baltimore
Speaker 1: when their offense is on, I mean they scored, they
Speaker 1: flipped a switch in the second half, they can get
Speaker 1: to forty. How many teams, I mean, Stafford is one
Speaker 1: of the better quarterbacks of his generation. Puka looks like
Speaker 1: clearly when he's healthy, one of the best wide receivers.
Speaker 1: How many teams are beating Buffalo when they flip that
Speaker 1: switch in the second half. There's a short list. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you're gonna have to have a Stafford
Speaker 1: or a Lamar or a guy like that to beat
Speaker 1: them when they are playing like that on us.
Speaker 2: Stafford Josh Stafford's last month one hundred and twenty passer rating,
Speaker 2: eleven touchdowns, no picks. Stafford's on a complete heater, and
Speaker 2: I think, honestly.
Speaker 1: He was a little getting healthy. Yeah, the old.
Speaker 2: Lion's getting healthy. It's time to look at this weekend's
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Speaker 2: I want to pivot to a game now. It's not
Speaker 2: the second best game, but I think it speaks. I
Speaker 2: think it speaks to The Bears are a fascinating topic.
Speaker 2: So they lost thirty eight thirteen, and it was the
Speaker 2: worst first half any team has played in the NFL
Speaker 2: this year. It was bordered on like Carolina and their
Speaker 2: offense last year, so at half they had twelve yards
Speaker 2: in a first down. But what was interesting to me
Speaker 2: is generally you get an interim head coach bump. They
Speaker 2: didn't even get that. It was their worst performance with
Speaker 2: an interim coach. Total disarrays of franchise four yards in
Speaker 2: the first half, fewest by a Bears team since nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one. So they they're just running through coaches and
Speaker 2: they're getting no bounce. So my question to you, as
Speaker 2: we start with the Bears and then pivot to the Niners,
Speaker 2: who have to win Thursday or the season's over, is
Speaker 2: to me, you need a culture changer, not just a
Speaker 2: football coach. That's why Ben Johnson's not the answer. You
Speaker 2: have to come in. Somebody's going to come in and
Speaker 2: kick ass. I think you have to swing big. You
Speaker 2: have to go big. Horrid boss should have been at
Speaker 2: last year. Who are we putting front and center in
Speaker 2: the coaching search because you and I would both acknowledge
Speaker 2: we don't love the owner. Don't Kevin Warren's not as
Speaker 2: strong president. Have you asked people around the league, the
Speaker 2: front office? Ryan Poles, I think there are moments I
Speaker 2: like him. Coaching staffs in disarray. Players today indicated they
Speaker 2: don't trust this staff. Where do you go for a coach?
Speaker 1: Why? Normally with interim coaches, really quick, Colin, you get
Speaker 1: a bump because you mess with the staff. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: had already done that when it fired Waldron and made
Speaker 1: the interim head coach the offensive coordinator. So he actually
Speaker 1: got in a weird way diminished because he had to
Speaker 1: have more stuff on his plate. And clearly the offense
Speaker 1: was a joke in the first half. To me, I
Speaker 1: Vrabel makes a lot of sense. Yes, like they need
Speaker 1: one thing. When you watch Dan Campbell when you took
Speaker 1: over the Lions, it was a job where you go,
Speaker 1: you can't do this, man, it ain't gonna work. It's
Speaker 1: it's this is not gonna happen here. And he basically said,
Speaker 1: screw you. It sure as hell is. And he had
Speaker 1: that type person.
Speaker 2: And they have poor ownership too, the like the Bears,
Speaker 2: they have below average ownership.
Speaker 1: I would say the Bears have a more glamorous franchise
Speaker 1: in city than the Lions. They're really not that. They're
Speaker 1: much closer together than they are close to the Vikings
Speaker 1: and the package, right, so you need to get a
Speaker 1: guy who comes in. But this is the problem, Colin.
Speaker 1: It gets back to Kevin Warren that press conference he
Speaker 1: gave after they fired Eberflus Ryan Poles, the GM was
Speaker 1: riding shotgun. Well, why does every president Like I'm sure
Speaker 1: Kevin Warren's making seven figures. He was hired to build
Speaker 1: the stadium, which is an extremely important job, but no
Speaker 1: one really cares about that. Like you don't give press
Speaker 1: conferences for selling PSLs or getting the naming rights deal
Speaker 1: for four hundred million dollars even though it's a really
Speaker 1: big deal to the business in the business world, and
Speaker 1: no one talks about that. Where do you get credit
Speaker 1: when you're around the football team? And I think football
Speaker 1: people get very, very uncomfortable when a guy like him
Speaker 1: is around when coaches are getting fired or if you
Speaker 1: were winning, he'd be right there. But when you lose
Speaker 1: like today in the first half, all I could think
Speaker 1: about is like Kevin Warren's probably slithering out in his seat, right.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sit next to Polls or this
Speaker 1: new interim coach, like this is not my problem, but
Speaker 1: if things go well, they want there. Look at the
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers are a good example. It's John and
Speaker 1: Kyle and anything that happens is strictly on them. And
Speaker 1: they got an issue, they go right to Jed yep,
Speaker 1: And it's a streamline process. And that's the way with
Speaker 1: every good organization. If less And and Sean McVay needs something,
Speaker 1: they can go to the Kronkey. Yeah. Now they work
Speaker 1: with the president and you have good relationships. But it
Speaker 1: feels like he to have a coach fired and have
Speaker 1: him lead the press conference is one of the more
Speaker 1: glaring things I've seen in recent memory. Shouldn't Ryan Poles
Speaker 1: be given? Yes? Yes? And I heard from a bunch
Speaker 1: of people in the league. All these candidates see that,
Speaker 1: and that's where you get a guy like Vrabel that
Speaker 1: goes maybe I'll figure out and I could fake it
Speaker 1: for a year and then I'll once I start winning,
Speaker 1: I will take over. But that's a turn off to
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And the other thing is and listen,
Speaker 1: And I'm guilty of this. I gave Caleb credit the
Speaker 1: last I would say three or four weeks. He has
Speaker 1: made some high end place and the physical skills are undeniable.
Speaker 1: But is he a good player? Right? Because even last
Speaker 1: week against Detroit or on Thanksgiving, they were getting their
Speaker 1: ass kicked in the first half down sixty to nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have a lot They scored seventeen points in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter against Minnesota. They have a lot of points
Speaker 1: when the game's kind of out of hand and they've
Speaker 1: come storm. So why when the Niners are up like
Speaker 1: thirty to six, I'm like, get ready to bear is
Speaker 1: going to score a couple of touchdowns? Right, That's when
Speaker 1: they do their work. So I listen. He's very talented,
Speaker 1: but that franchise has a lot of issues and he's
Speaker 1: part of that. It's a team effort, and that's where
Speaker 1: Vrabel I'm not as dependent on my course.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build the team. I'm gonna build the Yeah,
Speaker 1: the culture of the vision, Ben Johnson, a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: For every McVeigh and Kyle on the floor, we have
Speaker 1: seen countless offensive coordinator flop. I would not be in
Speaker 1: the business the first time head coaches. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's too risky. Giveation.
Speaker 2: Look look at the coaches who have succeeded taking over shipwrecks.
Speaker 2: Harbaugh with the Chargers a talented mess. With Brandon Staley,
Speaker 2: it was a talented mess.
Speaker 1: He did it with the Niners two, same situation back
Speaker 1: in the day.
Speaker 2: Culture builder Dan Campbell. He's not a schematic genius. He's
Speaker 2: a culture builder. So if you look at well, you
Speaker 2: look at bad franchise. Demiko Ryans is another guy, good looking,
Speaker 2: kind of stoic, intense. McVeigh rams were an absolute mess.
Speaker 2: McVeigh good with schemes, but if you ask him, it's
Speaker 2: his presence, his his ability to own the locker room
Speaker 2: when you have a bad franchise or a franchise that's
Speaker 2: turbulent or in disarray. McVeigh of the Rams, Dan Campbell,
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh twice, it's not the schematic geniuses. You gotta
Speaker 2: change the culture. So Vrabel has the physical element which
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell and Harbaugh have. They're kind of physically intimidating
Speaker 2: Mike tom And I would say as a culture coach, right,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson had that. Jimmy was a personnel and culture changer.
Speaker 2: Some guy Shanahan's about schematics. I think Matt Lafleur can
Speaker 2: do both. But I think Matt's schematics are really good.
Speaker 2: I mean he really breaks down Jordan and then builds
Speaker 2: him back up. But I think Chicago's only choice Ben Johnson,
Speaker 2: I don't think he has the personality the gravitas to
Speaker 2: do it. I don't think of Cliff Kingsbury, those type
Speaker 2: of guys. They're not built for Chicago. You know. It's
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's it's it's like if if
Speaker 2: you just think about a family, Let's say a family's
Speaker 2: in disarray and they're you know you, and you're kind
Speaker 2: of like, what father figure, what parent could save a
Speaker 2: family that was in disarray. It wouldn't have to be
Speaker 2: the smartest or the most experienced. It would be an
Speaker 2: ass kicker, somebody that came in and put their arms
Speaker 2: around the kids, and we are changing the environment. That's
Speaker 2: all football teams are. It's just young guys. It's family,
Speaker 2: it's young coaches. So I think we both I think
Speaker 2: Vrabel isn't and by the way, unlike Belichick, doesn't have
Speaker 2: to do doesn't have to dominate personnel. He's not going
Speaker 2: to be bitter if he doesn't dominate personnel.
Speaker 1: One thing about Dan Campbell and Jim Harbaugh uses examples.
Speaker 1: They're former players, so they have a little bit of
Speaker 1: I think cockiness is probably the wrong way to describe it,
Speaker 1: but a willingness to be pretty I would say self
Speaker 1: confident in their own beliefs because they've done it as
Speaker 1: a player, and I think their physical presence in McVeigh
Speaker 1: let's face, it kind of feels like he played in
Speaker 1: the NFL for five years a slot receiver. Yeah right.
Speaker 1: It's the same with Tomlin like, yeah, but he played
Speaker 1: in the NFL if you didn't know any better. And
Speaker 1: that's where you know the Ben Johnson's la floor's the
Speaker 1: Kyle's They are scheme driven, yes, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know it took Kyle a couple of years to build up.
Speaker 1: This is a different element right when you're building. Look
Speaker 1: at Lincoln. If you handed Lincoln Riley a team with
Speaker 1: a bunch of good players, I bet the team would
Speaker 1: be good. Yeah, but if you got to start from scratch,
Speaker 1: it gets a little more difficult. Where Nick Saban bring
Speaker 1: it on, that's he lives for that moment, and that's
Speaker 1: where I think the Bears have to be very, very careful.
Speaker 1: And anytime you have Kevin Warren's just look at his resume.
Speaker 1: It's all business stuff. He's going to have such a
Speaker 1: heavy hand in this. It's that report last week that
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh would have been interested in the job, of
Speaker 1: course he would have been. But if Kevin Warren would
Speaker 1: not want no part of him, why because he would
Speaker 1: suck all the energy out of the room and get
Speaker 1: all the credit. Even though that's what always has driven
Speaker 1: me crazy about football institutions. You know, in any other business,
Speaker 1: all you care about is like, hey, bring this guy on.
Speaker 1: We will make more money, we will have more success,
Speaker 1: it'll be good forever. Everybody we're in football, it's like, Eh,
Speaker 1: he probably is the best option, but it'll diminish my role.
Speaker 1: Even though I'll make the same amount of money, i
Speaker 1: won't get the credit. So we're not going to go
Speaker 1: down that road. Look at Atlanta, they're falling apart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and listen, Raheem was a legit candidate, but they wanted
Speaker 1: no part of Belichick. Why because those people in the
Speaker 1: building knew that they were going to get newter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you're watching them now, you're like they are in
Speaker 1: a free fold. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Let's pivot, Vikings forty two, Atlanta twenty one, good first half,
Speaker 2: and then Minnesota took over. I push back when you
Speaker 2: suggested that Minnesota may have to re sign Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2: First of all, he's going to have a very tasty
Speaker 2: free agent market. Vegas Giants, Tennessee minimum are gonna at
Speaker 2: least look at it. If they don't like cam Moore,
Speaker 2: Shad or Sanders will go number one to either Vegas
Speaker 2: or the Giants. I think you will. Not everybody's gonna
Speaker 2: like cam Moore. But if you look in the last
Speaker 2: month Darnald has eleven tds no picks this receiving corps
Speaker 2: plus TJ. Hawkinson, Jefferson and Addison had five touchdowns today.
Speaker 2: We got to be honest about this. In the history
Speaker 2: of the league, you could put him in a very
Speaker 2: rich Gannon class, like nobody will leaves an M two.
Speaker 2: He's a top three quarterback, top four quarterback in the
Speaker 2: league playing right now. I'm watching Darnold make plays today
Speaker 2: and our thing was, well, I think we both felt
Speaker 2: the same big, strong, athletic, coachable, tough kid, but his
Speaker 2: accuracy could be hit and miss. Well, Kevin O'Connell's taking
Speaker 2: the reckless out and elevated. You know he's made it
Speaker 2: very intentional. Sam goes back to pass, you get a
Speaker 2: very intentional play. And if he has to add lib,
Speaker 2: which he did today, he's fantastic. Not Lamar or Josh,
Speaker 2: but he is way high end in this league. He
Speaker 2: is in the Justin Herbert class. Like I'm gonna move
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna crank it, and I never thought this.
Speaker 2: He's had one stinker all year. He had a couple
Speaker 2: picks against the Jags. They won that game. Remember that
Speaker 2: game down in Jacksonville. They were terrible in the red zone,
Speaker 2: so his stinker, they won. They could still be a
Speaker 2: number one seed. I think I'm sitting here thinking today,
Speaker 2: do you let him walk out of the building.
Speaker 1: I think at minimum, right now he's in the category
Speaker 1: if you don't want to do the long term you
Speaker 1: got to franchise him right now. The problem with franchising
Speaker 1: it's forty one million dollars for a quarterback, and unlike
Speaker 1: these contracts, you don't get to push any of that
Speaker 1: off on you know, you know, years in the future.
Speaker 1: He has twenty eight touchdowns right now, Colin, they have
Speaker 1: four games left. He has twenty eight touchdowns and they
Speaker 1: were eleven and two. The one player you're we're alluding
Speaker 1: to when he scrambled around and he kind of did
Speaker 1: a three sixty, went across, threw it to Jefferson across
Speaker 1: his body. I got that looked like Josh Allen and
Speaker 1: that was a play today. If you are the GM
Speaker 1: and the head coach, you go. This is exactly why
Speaker 1: we said Kirk Cousins were not in the market for
Speaker 1: you anymore because you don't want You've never had that
Speaker 1: in the bag. But the version that we're seeing out
Speaker 1: of Cousins. Cousins just got one hundred million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1: He hasn't thrown a touchdown in four weeks, and he's
Speaker 1: throwing picks just by the you know, multiple picks every game.
Speaker 1: I mean, he might be cooked. Like you saw today
Speaker 1: was a pivot point. One guy's career feels like it's
Speaker 1: kind of headed toward the drain, like is he even
Speaker 1: gonna be starting next week? And the other guy is exploding?
Speaker 1: And you use rich Gannon as your example. Rich Gannon
Speaker 1: did not have this level arm. Rich Gannon did not.
Speaker 1: That was the knock on Rich. While a lot of
Speaker 1: people back in the day were like, you know, it
Speaker 1: was hard for Gruden to sell Al Davis on Rich
Speaker 1: because he liked those big arm quarterbacks and that wasn't Rich.
Speaker 1: But Rich was really accurate. Sam Darnold sixty eight percent
Speaker 1: this season, Colin crazy. Now, listen, he's gonna turn the
Speaker 1: ball over a little bit. He's got ten picks, probably
Speaker 1: end up with thirteen and fourteen. How often do you
Speaker 1: watch him and you see him explode the ball down
Speaker 1: the field. Well, now that they are left tackles injured,
Speaker 1: the best two players on the Vikings are the two
Speaker 1: white So those guys are thriving under Sam. How could
Speaker 1: you I've said before Today is a great example. He
Speaker 1: threw five touchdowns against a team with a lot of
Speaker 1: good defensive secondary gyas yause in your wildest dreams, you
Speaker 1: would design are JJ to become this player one day,
Speaker 1: to be that good what we witnessed today and the
Speaker 1: chances based on the history of we all watching the
Speaker 1: NFL and knowing how hard this league is, it's less
Speaker 1: than fifty percent he's ever that good? Well, Sam currently
Speaker 1: is this good? And now has this I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, resume of life in the league, of building
Speaker 1: on callouses, going through adversity, being very confident in himself,
Speaker 1: but having humility to know how hard it is. Like
Speaker 1: he's seen it all. He has seen the worst of
Speaker 1: the worst. And then with Kyle and now Kevin O'Connell,
Speaker 1: I understand that they drafted a quarterback. But sometimes things change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the forty nine ers drafted Trey Lance and
Speaker 1: they pivoted in the blink of an eye, yep, to
Speaker 1: party and sometimes you just that's isn't that part You
Speaker 1: started the volume like pivot fast, right? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Sam Darnoldy. So what he's gonna cost you a lot
Speaker 1: of money if he's a top five or six quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFC. I mean, this year, how many NFC
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are better than him? He's better than Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield had a
Speaker 2: good quarter today, but was awful for long stretches in
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 1: Awful.
Speaker 2: Geno Smith, Yeah, Baker was awful and that by the way,
Speaker 2: And I've tried to be very positive with Baker because
Speaker 2: I was so rough on him early. But he can
Speaker 2: be really reckless and you can't coach that out of him.
Speaker 2: He's just a different personality. He literally lives for chip
Speaker 2: on his shoulder. Sam doesn't have that. Sam's not trying
Speaker 2: to prove anything other than I'm good. Sam's like a
Speaker 2: beach boy. He's having a good time. He's he's an
Speaker 2: ocean side, you know, linebacker basketball, He's an athlete. He's
Speaker 2: a great kid. Baker's got that chip a mile along.
Speaker 2: Baker's battled his own family at times. It's part of
Speaker 2: his great fabric and his story. I love, but Geno Smith,
Speaker 2: there's limitations. Baker is reckless Darnold, you're getting a higher
Speaker 2: upside with I mean, I always thought Baker was a
Speaker 2: better pure pocket passer. This year, I'm not sure, and
Speaker 2: some of it's justin Jefferson, but it's not like Mike
Speaker 2: Evans and Chris Godwin and the guys down there are
Speaker 2: bad either. I just think letting him walk out the door.
Speaker 2: What if he goes to an NFC team?
Speaker 1: To me, though, you know, use Baker is a good example.
Speaker 1: Aren't we all all a little bit of a product
Speaker 1: of our past. I mean, Baker was a walk on
Speaker 1: at Texas tach six feet tall, yeah, Sam Darnold six
Speaker 1: foot four at USC, you know, in the in the
Speaker 1: most turmoil time in the history of the program, leads
Speaker 1: him to eleven plus wins. I mean, in the ugliness
Speaker 1: of the mid twenty tens. He's a strapping, big arm
Speaker 1: like a blue chip.
Speaker 2: He won a Rose Bowl against a good Penn State
Speaker 2: team with a really bad college football coach and no
Speaker 2: pros around him. I mean that you go back to
Speaker 2: that year and it was hero ball, that's all it was.
Speaker 1: I'm pro Baker, and he's really matured and he's become
Speaker 1: a good player, But the skill set of the two,
Speaker 1: Sam is the more dynamic player, and looking back, like
Speaker 1: if you did a redraft, yeah, I think both of
Speaker 1: them probably aren't going one to three, but clearly they've
Speaker 1: lived up to like they're going to play in the
Speaker 1: league for a long time. Sam's high end is higher
Speaker 1: than base, yes, because his mobility bigger. And I just
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear you watch Sam, He's got an
Speaker 1: explosive arm. Yeah, and on the move he can really
Speaker 1: sling it. And that's the playmaking Minnesota what limited in
Speaker 1: the last limited that team the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: You know, Cousins was a stagnant can't move if you
Speaker 1: throw them off the spot, Sam's on face, got ad lib,
Speaker 1: no problem, Let's rip.
Speaker 2: So now I want to go and we don't have
Speaker 2: to spend as much time on these two games because
Speaker 2: I want to talk a lot of college football playoff.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh beats Cleveland twenty seven to fourteen. Russell Wilson six
Speaker 2: and one as a starter, good on third down. Now,
Speaker 2: they didn't have Pickens today who I don't know what
Speaker 2: they said, hamstring, but George Pickens wasn't around and there
Speaker 2: were real limitations like this is one of these you
Speaker 2: know how like AJ Brown leads Jalen as much as
Speaker 2: Jalen leads AJ Brown. Like AJ Brown's got this weird
Speaker 2: stat He's like the most instrumental wide receiver in the league.
Speaker 2: Like the team STI front boy George Pickens with Russ
Speaker 2: is dangerous without him today, I mean they didn't do much,
Speaker 2: but again, this is the first time in years. They
Speaker 2: don't make a lot of mistakes. They get to the line,
Speaker 2: they're pretty good on third down. I think Pittsburgh's gonna
Speaker 2: have a hard time in a com and a division
Speaker 2: with Burrow. You don't want to start over again. You
Speaker 2: got Burrow, Lamar Jackson, hell Jamis Winston's productive. I don't
Speaker 2: know what Pittsburgh does. They they have to sign him,
Speaker 2: don't they.
Speaker 1: I thought Russell had two of his better throws this
Speaker 1: season on a couple of touchdown passes in the red
Speaker 1: zone to day the tight end quick balls, getting the
Speaker 1: ball out of his hand. He had a friarman on
Speaker 1: the one. On another one getting it kind of under
Speaker 1: a defensive back. I thought today was a really big
Speaker 1: moment for Russell because, like you said, I mean, George
Speaker 1: Pickett was kind of like Malone at Stockton and that
Speaker 1: was his guy, ye and then you remove him and
Speaker 1: early on. You know, the brown clearly are going to
Speaker 1: play very well against these teams in the division. They're
Speaker 1: very confident at home or on the road, they are
Speaker 1: they're gonna have the worst record in the league that
Speaker 1: every team has to take very seriously. Down the streets
Speaker 1: you're trying to make.
Speaker 2: They missed field goals today. They could have absent.
Speaker 1: Their field goal kickers and shambles right.
Speaker 2: Okay, they had a chance. This could have been a
Speaker 2: final drive of the game contest. I mean, there's no
Speaker 2: question Cleveland was in this thing, Jamis, you know, so
Speaker 2: that's my take. Russell didn't play particularly well. They missed
Speaker 2: their star, but they beat a division rival and he
Speaker 2: just doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1: Yet to me, if he's not turning the ball over
Speaker 1: and can be productive for you in the red zone.
Speaker 1: Their defense, this franchise, how they are able to find
Speaker 1: these defensive linemen they had ninety five today, had an
Speaker 1: interception on a screen path from Jamis. They have like
Speaker 1: three or four pass rushers outside of TJ. Watt, Cam
Speaker 1: Hayward's been in the league. It feels like for twenty
Speaker 1: years still making place. I mean their franchise. I was wrong.
Speaker 1: I thought it was time for a divorcee and just time.
Speaker 1: Like Andy Reid Philly, it was time.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: And listen and I and I also thought this. I
Speaker 1: thought going from Justin Fields to Russell Wilson was going
Speaker 1: to be an epic mistake. In the Locks. He has
Speaker 1: been such a major upgrade and seeing some clips like
Speaker 1: Justin Field still in it, maybe listen, Maybe sometimes every
Speaker 1: human being fails at different times. Some are more public
Speaker 1: than others. Maybe maybe it was healthy for Russell. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just kind of changed him a little bit because
Speaker 1: he has it feels like ingratiate himself with a group
Speaker 1: and a city in a friend, it's not easy to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not exactly diva. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: blue collar, working man team, and he feels kind of
Speaker 1: one of them. I mean, I I take him pretty SERI.
Speaker 1: I was impressed today because I thought Cleveland early on
Speaker 1: was coming to play. Jamis was making some plays. I'm like,
Speaker 1: Cleveland's confident against Pittsburgh. They just beat him a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. You're like, uh, let's be a bad loss,
Speaker 1: and they kind of hit the Jets and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they were up a couple of touchdowns and
Speaker 1: never looked back.
Speaker 2: Okay, Seattle thirty, Arizona eighteen. Seattle's now eight and a five.
Speaker 2: They sweep Arizona, really dominate the game, ran the ball effectively.
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray had a couple ugly picks early in the game.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's really interesting when I watch Gino again,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty four of I think thirty it would
Speaker 2: just again kind of stoic, sits in the pocket, makes
Speaker 2: the throws. I love Seattle's skill talent. I think they
Speaker 2: have two backs.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba Lockett still banging around this league, which
Speaker 2: is crazy. He was a gadget guy and now it's
Speaker 2: a ten plus career. I look at Seattle, they're going
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs now it looks I mean, they're
Speaker 2: eight and five. They have a sixty two percent chance
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. I got to tell you this,
Speaker 2: as Pete Carroll hangs around the USC inferno right now,
Speaker 2: I know, deep down, Pete Carroll would we'd take that
Speaker 2: job in two minutes? Is I think you and I
Speaker 2: put Gino below Baker and sam Don. Maybe you don't,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's I think there's I do, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do, so do I this roster, I mean they
Speaker 2: are they are missing a quarterback now. I thought they
Speaker 2: should have gone after Pennox last year. I parts of
Speaker 2: me think I don't know what to do with Seattle,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm sitting there watching it today. This
Speaker 2: is a This is Arizona's biggest game of the year.
Speaker 2: They just got hammered by Seattle. Shit. Seattle took total
Speaker 2: control of the game in the first half. Felt like
Speaker 2: they sealed it early with picks. I think this coach
Speaker 2: is good. I think the rosters fairly. I think we
Speaker 2: don't know a lot of their players. But you go
Speaker 2: watch the way they came back and won against the Jets.
Speaker 2: You watched the way they went to Arizona. Young teams
Speaker 2: tend to be more emotional John and Seattle's young in spots.
Speaker 2: But these young teams don't know what they don't know.
Speaker 2: I think Seattle's better than I thought. And before the
Speaker 2: season you said, I said, give me a team. Denver
Speaker 2: was my team. No, Washington was my team. I thought
Speaker 2: was going to be better than everybody thought. And I said,
Speaker 2: give me a team that we're gonna look up in
Speaker 2: week fifteen and go damn. And yours was Seattle, you kept.
Speaker 2: Mine was Washington with the commanders. They had all new people,
Speaker 2: and I said, good, all the other people were awful.
Speaker 2: They've upgraded everything owner down. It would Seattle. If the
Speaker 2: Rams in Seattle played in the playoff, we would take
Speaker 2: Stafford and McVeigh right.
Speaker 1: It depends where the game was. I think you're understating
Speaker 1: the coach as being good. I think he's awesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at Baltimore since he's left. Their defense last year
Speaker 1: was historic and they've fallen apart same place.
Speaker 2: They're awful now.
Speaker 1: And you watch Seattle as they've gotten guys back, they
Speaker 1: are much better on defense. This was my favorite bet
Speaker 1: of the weekend was them two and a half on
Speaker 1: the road. One, they've just played well in Arizona for
Speaker 1: a long time. And two you could tell this Arizona
Speaker 1: team had been leaking oil. Now. Kyler Parlays has two
Speaker 1: picks down the stretching last game, right back in the
Speaker 1: first quarter, throws two awful picks and then unraveled on
Speaker 1: him fast and once it's twenty four to ten. It's
Speaker 1: like you can tell with Arizona when they're vibing and
Speaker 1: they show up, You're like, Okay, it's gonna be a game.
Speaker 1: When they get a little off kilter, how about listen.
Speaker 1: He is a freak talent like you will. I don't
Speaker 1: think we'll ever see another five 'ot nine guy drafted
Speaker 1: number one overall. Now, granted Bryce went to and Bryce
Speaker 1: has looked a lot better. Yeah, but Kyler is truly
Speaker 1: you know, his version of like Bo Jackson or Deon Sanders.
Speaker 1: Just physical talent, it's it's all time great. But his
Speaker 1: body language when he plays bad early he kind of
Speaker 1: can go in the tank. Yes, and your quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talked about Buffalo. Early they're getting their ass kicked
Speaker 1: and Josh keeps his head up and keeps swinging kind
Speaker 1: of just kind of gets MOPI And that was the
Speaker 1: knock on him, and it felt like he had matured
Speaker 1: a little bit. And it's like he kind of went
Speaker 1: back in the tank today and that's you saw Seattle.
Speaker 1: You know, That's the thing they got with Gino is
Speaker 1: like he cannot play well and it feels like for
Speaker 1: the most part, his body language is pretty solid.
Speaker 2: Even he feels terrible when Gino makes a mistake. Nobody
Speaker 2: feels worse than Geno. He's got a good heart, he is,
Speaker 2: He's got leadership qualities. You can tell us teammates in
Speaker 2: the sideline love him. Gino Smith has limitations, but it's
Speaker 2: not leadership. It's not work ethic, it's not added to
Speaker 2: Gino Smith bust his ass every week. He really and
Speaker 2: he really appreciates this opportunity.
Speaker 1: The one thing with Seattle, Colin is their schedule these
Speaker 1: next two weeks. They are Packers Vikings. Now they're both
Speaker 1: in Seattle. But that's gonna be tough. You're getting the Packers,
Speaker 1: who I would say are gonna come into this. I mean,
Speaker 1: this's a big game for them. Gotta lick their wounds
Speaker 1: after that Lions game, right because now they're nine to four.
Speaker 1: They feel destined for a wildcard spot. That's a big
Speaker 1: moment for them in Minnesota. I don't know how they
Speaker 1: do it, but they feel like they're gonna end up
Speaker 1: winning fourteen games. Then they play the Bears, and then
Speaker 1: they play the Rams. Now, if the Rams beat the
Speaker 1: Niners this week, that game Week eighteen could be the
Speaker 1: Sunday Night winner get in for the division, right, you know,
Speaker 1: two nine win teams, whoever wins gets ten and wins
Speaker 1: the division. The other team might be on the outside
Speaker 1: looking in, not even get a wildcard spot. So I
Speaker 1: think if Seattle wins one of these next two games,
Speaker 1: they're gonna win the division. If they lose both of
Speaker 1: them and the Rams beat the forty nine ers, I
Speaker 1: think we got, you know, a division on our hands.
Speaker 1: I take Seattle pretty seriously. I think they're coaching staff.
Speaker 1: Head coach, the stud Ryan Grubb clearly is really good.
Speaker 1: The dude they took from Debor who had never coached
Speaker 1: in the pros. And Gino hasn't really you know, he's
Speaker 1: looked exactly like he has the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: if not even he's been a little more consistent. What
Speaker 1: can they do this year is like they're a little
Speaker 1: more hammered the run. I mean today, Sharbonay, he's our
Speaker 1: backup running back, had one hundred and twenty five shards.
Speaker 1: And like you said, if they get walker to me,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna be taken yes, like and win a
Speaker 1: playoff game and win this division. That his injuries have
Speaker 1: been a little bit of a problem. If they can
Speaker 1: keep him healthy. Their offensive skill guy minus the quarterback
Speaker 1: is as good as any like It's like Eagles level
Speaker 1: right with their wide receivers, the tight end, Yeah, multiple
Speaker 1: running backs.
Speaker 2: Walker runs so hard, He's the kid that led college
Speaker 2: football at Michigan State yards after contact, he just he
Speaker 2: runs so hard he hurts himself. He's got a little
Speaker 2: bit of that James Connor in Arizona. He runs violently,
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about before we get into the
Speaker 2: college football. Dolphins in overtime beat the Jets thirty two
Speaker 2: to twenty six. Best game Aaron Rodgers played this year
Speaker 2: twenty seven to thirty nine, three hundred and forty yards.
Speaker 2: Davante Adams and Garrett Wilson combined for sixteen catches and
Speaker 2: over two hundred and twenty yards. Aaron looked good first
Speaker 2: half and second they played much better than I thought.
Speaker 2: They had a chance to win this game. But the
Speaker 2: reason I think it's interesting and two, I had a
Speaker 2: good afternoon, but the Jets averaged six and a half
Speaker 2: yards and Aaron was on his game, so we should
Speaker 2: say that. But they still lost. And so the draft
Speaker 2: order today is Raiders, and I assume they'll take Shduur
Speaker 2: Sanders Giants. The question is do they go after a
Speaker 2: Darnel or is it cam Ward New England Panthers, Jaguars, Titans,
Speaker 2: Jets at seven? Actually probably go and either get Calvin Banks,
Speaker 2: the Texas tackle, or Will Campbell, the LSU tackle. That's
Speaker 2: a fairly predictable draft pick. But it's interesting because I
Speaker 2: was looking at the draft order as I watched the
Speaker 2: Jets and the Dolphins, and it's getting very defined now.
Speaker 2: Like the Raiders and the Giants, they're bad teams. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about the Jets before we get into this. Miami's
Speaker 2: not going to make the playoffs. I mean again, Aaron
Speaker 2: tore them apart today. He was even two for two
Speaker 2: on fourth down. They're going to get a new coach now.
Speaker 2: As I said earlier with the Bears, they need a
Speaker 2: culture coach. I think that's exactly what the Jets need.
Speaker 2: And now Vrabel said he was interested this week in
Speaker 2: the Jets as long as he liked the general manager.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to ask Skew straight out, because I
Speaker 2: don't think the Dolphins are really that much of a story.
Speaker 2: I think the Jets, like the Bears, are dysfunctional, but
Speaker 2: there's some really good players on both teams. Where do
Speaker 2: the Jets go for a coach? Because they'll have the
Speaker 2: seventh pick, they'll be able to address one of their
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a pretty good team. They
Speaker 2: I think they need to get a young you know,
Speaker 2: they have one tackle in from Penn State, right, they
Speaker 2: need another one. Jets. Your thought on coach and quarterback
Speaker 2: going forward.
Speaker 1: Well, I've been saying this for a while. I think
Speaker 1: the next head coach of the Jets is going to
Speaker 1: be Rex Ryan.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong.
Speaker 1: He's been politicing for the job. You know, Mike Tannebaum
Speaker 1: I've known for a while is now running the search.
Speaker 1: He was Rex Ryan's general manager when they had some
Speaker 1: success of Phil Savage, who I think you know as
Speaker 1: well as their current interim GM work with Rex in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Rex has been going on every single news out like
Speaker 1: he wants this job, and from all him and Woody
Speaker 1: did not have a bad relationship. When he got fired.
Speaker 1: It was remember they hired Itzick and it was one
Speaker 1: of those he let his GM make a decision. But
Speaker 1: like the most success the Jets have had in my
Speaker 1: adult life I'm forty was by four with this guy.
Speaker 1: This franchise. It sucked. They had a little moment with
Speaker 1: herm Edwards I remember in the early two thousands. But
Speaker 1: what was that, like one and done in the playoffs? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Rexl was beating Belichick in the playoffs. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think he gives them a little can handle. The
Speaker 1: media gives them a presence, like obviously I would be
Speaker 1: interested in Rabel as well. That would make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. But this is where it gets difficult with
Speaker 1: a guy like Rabel because he just had a situation
Speaker 1: when they fired John Robinson and brought in the new GM.
Speaker 1: It got weird for him fast. And these guys aren't comfortable,
Speaker 1: is why. And I know you talked about Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: getting traded to the Bears. Kyle Shanahan would do a
Speaker 1: swan dive off the Golden Gate Bridge before he answered
Speaker 1: to Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren. You know why because
Speaker 1: when the forty nine ers hired Kyle Shanahan, it was very,
Speaker 1: very difficult for them to find a match. They were
Speaker 1: interviewing a bunch of number twos and He's like, I
Speaker 1: don't really want to work with it. I don't know
Speaker 1: this guy. How about my guy, John Lynch. That's what
Speaker 1: John Lynch became the GM. These guys they're not addicted
Speaker 1: to power. They just want to be comfortable with the guy.
Speaker 1: They spend more time within their wife. It's a weird
Speaker 1: That's where it's like, well, Phil Savage's already their interim.
Speaker 1: He knows Rex really well. You can already see it coming,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of an easy move for the Jets.
Speaker 1: A lot of these teams don't fire coaches because I
Speaker 1: don't think their coach or their owner wants to go
Speaker 1: on a search all these guys. They don't really know.
Speaker 1: Once you hire enough coaches, you know, it doesn't Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: you could have the greatest offense since Bill Walsh, that
Speaker 1: doesn't translate into them becoming a head coach. When the
Speaker 1: Eagles hired Andy Reid in nineteen ninety eight or nine
Speaker 1: or whatever the reason they did it, he wasn't even
Speaker 1: technically the coordinator with Green Bay. They had done a
Speaker 1: long study that being a coordinator does not directly tie
Speaker 1: to just guarantee success. Right. That's why sometimes special teams
Speaker 1: coaches have got more opportunities over the years because there
Speaker 1: is we're dealing with human beings here. It's why the
Speaker 1: draft stats and where you can none of it means.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen begged for scholarship offers from Fresno Satan San
Speaker 1: Diego State. They wouldn't call him back. This is all
Speaker 1: like hit and miss left and right, you never know,
Speaker 1: And same thing with a head coach, Like it's a
Speaker 1: lot when Ben Johnson, when Jamison Williams gets suspended or
Speaker 1: gets pulled over because they got three glock nines in
Speaker 1: the coach, it's not his problem. That's Dan and the
Speaker 1: GM deal with that. You just keep on scheming, buddy.
Speaker 1: When you're the head coach that comes to your desk immediately,
Speaker 1: Hey we need a decision. What are we doing? And
Speaker 1: that's where to me. You get guys the Jets and
Speaker 1: the Bears, both those two teams have to hire a
Speaker 1: guy who's been a head coach before. They have to
Speaker 1: because there's those markets. The pressure. Uh, the Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: decision is not easy if he just doesn't retire, like
Speaker 1: he's under contract, he has no trade value, right right,
Speaker 1: So it's like you know, if you Rex are Rabel,
Speaker 1: I could see them just handling him for a year, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because like it's yeah, it's it'd probably be somewhat easy
Speaker 1: and also unload the contract. He might have a draft
Speaker 1: pick high enough to get a guy you want.
Speaker 2: He'd also have power maybe the first year of a
Speaker 2: four year deal. Woudy Johnson likes him. Sola was somewhat
Speaker 2: powerless because Aaron came in. Aaron's the star, Aaron's got
Speaker 2: the ring, and Sala had a losing record. So I
Speaker 2: think that's I think Rex Ryan would come in. He'd
Speaker 2: handle him for a year. I think I think Rayble
Speaker 2: to the Bears and Rex Ryan to the Jets. I
Speaker 2: said this three weeks ago in my show. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: I would have no problem hiring Rex Ryan. I think
Speaker 2: for these tire fires, you need a culture changer. I mean,
Speaker 2: we just sought in our election. You know, you don't
Speaker 2: have to be politically correct. You can offend some people,
Speaker 2: but if you're viewed as somebody who can change, you
Speaker 2: know a orchestrate change. You don't care about the criticism.
Speaker 2: You're big, bigger than life. You got that Captain America
Speaker 2: shield up front. It doesn't bother you. Rex Ryan's got
Speaker 2: fixed in. He can be joyful and playful and funny
Speaker 2: when you're ripping him. I think it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think it's gonna be the move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really do. And you know I think this is Listen,
Speaker 1: we can nitpick the bills and they are judged against
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Ravens, but I feel pretty confident
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep dominating this division for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: All Right, let's talk college football. The twelve team playoff
Speaker 2: has come out, Listen, Let's get the one thing out
Speaker 2: of the way. I think Bama's better than SMU, but
Speaker 2: BAMA doesn't have an argument. I watched them get completely
Speaker 2: shelled against a Oklahoma team that was two and six
Speaker 2: in conference with like a minus seventy nine point differential
Speaker 2: in conference. Oklahoma was a bad team and they got
Speaker 2: I mean literally an overrun by them. So I don't
Speaker 2: have any problem again that regular season has to mean something. Yes,
Speaker 2: Bama's beaten more good teams. If Bama got in I
Speaker 2: wouldn't lose any sleep if SMU did not. But I
Speaker 2: felt the same way both ways. I would have taken
Speaker 2: probably Abama, but SMU, after a really hard fought loss,
Speaker 2: kind of felt like the move. And I also think, listen,
Speaker 2: Bama's not consistent enough to be a national champion. SMU
Speaker 2: is not going to be a national champion. SMU may
Speaker 2: be a better story, it's better for the sport big picture.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody on the heels of Alabama's you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen year dynasty is losing sleep because they don't get in.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but if I was part of the SEC,
Speaker 1: here's what I would say. College football, I mean, based
Speaker 1: on the numbers, has never been more popular. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: more people consistently have never watched more and the SEC
Speaker 1: ratings have been insane. So we are carrying the popularity
Speaker 1: of this sport as a conference and have carried the
Speaker 1: sport really for a long time now. And we only
Speaker 1: get three teams in. That's where you can just see them,
Speaker 1: even if it is justified as it is in this situation,
Speaker 1: all these teams all miss lost a Casey Tucky. If
Speaker 1: any of these SEC teams is ten and two, they
Speaker 1: are easily in over SMU. We all agree, h but
Speaker 1: like we want guarantees. And this is where I think
Speaker 1: college football is gonna go. If, like, if I'm the
Speaker 1: Big ten who like the SEC is carrying college football
Speaker 1: with the ratings, the ACC is simply not, like I
Speaker 1: want to know, because getting into the playoffs is very
Speaker 1: financial viable for the conference, right right. That's the same
Speaker 1: thing with the NCAA tournament and now we only get
Speaker 1: we only get one difference, like the difference of us
Speaker 1: in the SEC and the ACC is one team. That
Speaker 1: seems crazy, ye like I watch an unhealthy amount of
Speaker 1: college football. The gap between the change is Grand Canyon wide.
Speaker 1: So even if you could justify it records and everything,
Speaker 1: that's a big picture problem for me. If I'm Greg
Speaker 1: saying I got it, we need some assurances. And this
Speaker 1: is where like the NFL, you know what, do tiebreakers
Speaker 1: go conference record? It's impossible to do tiebreakers and everything
Speaker 1: in college football because the SEC goes my eight and four?
Speaker 1: What is that worth? In the in the ACC? Am
Speaker 1: I ten and two in the ACC like by big twelve.
Speaker 1: Arizona State's an incredible story. What would their record be
Speaker 1: if I put them playing LSU, Bama, Ole, Miss, Yeah, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: You know. So it's it's not Apple's d apples, right,
Speaker 1: And that's the hard part. I think we all agree
Speaker 1: on that, even if we go yeah, SMU deserves it,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's a little out of whack. Now
Speaker 1: it's first year. I'm not going to complain that much.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that bad. And I think the committee
Speaker 1: wanted Alabama because I do think Alabama. The needle moves
Speaker 1: a little more when you got Alabama playing, because who's
Speaker 1: SMU is playing Penn State? Alabama. Penn State is just
Speaker 1: a better television product, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's the one that really cracked me up.
Speaker 2: So the regular season. The committee said, the regular season matters.
Speaker 2: We're not going to give Bama three losses, two of
Speaker 2: which are Mulligan's Vandy and Oklahoma. But yet in Oregon
Speaker 2: has the most impressive regular season and arguably the most
Speaker 2: impressed of championship game performance. Georgie is up there as well.
Speaker 2: They get the winner of the Tennessee Ohio State game,
Speaker 2: which is a team capable of winning the national championship,
Speaker 2: then they could face Texas than Georgia. How did Penn
Speaker 2: State get an easier route? They lost at home to
Speaker 2: Ohio State and got hammered by Oregon. I think they
Speaker 2: have now they play another game. I think they have
Speaker 2: a much easier route than Oregon. I thought Oregon kind
Speaker 2: of got hosed.
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, them copying the basketball bracket where you're
Speaker 1: forced to play team instead of the NFL bracket where
Speaker 1: you receed by the round. Yeah to me, you gotta
Speaker 1: change football Wise receips round. Yes, because Oregon has the
Speaker 1: only undefeated team. Clearly, if he just watched the best
Speaker 1: and the second best conference and they get stuck with
Speaker 1: Ohio State Tennessee, that seems pretty outrageous. I thought so
Speaker 1: because if they could pick the opponents, I think there's
Speaker 1: a decent chance that Ohio State would be the last
Speaker 1: opponent they would want to play. Yeah, maybe Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Second Tennessee would be high up there too, Like the
Speaker 1: SMU's the Clemsons, you gotta receive. Now, this is where
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna freak out year one name. You gotta
Speaker 1: figure it out. But you cannot keep this. How can
Speaker 1: Boise and ASU potentially get easier opponents than Oregon?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Penn State.
Speaker 1: Now, I think they would say Oregon's gonna play the
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl, like that's where their game's gonna be. I think,
Speaker 1: in the like their home game, so that you know
Speaker 1: it's kind of regionality. But playing Ohio State potentially, that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty different.
Speaker 2: And Ohio State will fill half that stadium. I mean,
Speaker 2: Penn State gets SMU and Boise State, I mean potentially,
Speaker 2: it's like Jesus, they the biggest game of the year.
Speaker 2: At home, they lost to Ohio State, and I mean
Speaker 2: they they they got pushed around me. They they could
Speaker 2: not stop Oregon. I just thought Penn State, and I
Speaker 2: understand punishing. If you flip Penn State in Ohio State
Speaker 2: in the playoff, I'd be I think it's it's more
Speaker 2: fair now Ohio State. Again. The Michigan loss was not
Speaker 2: only bad, not only at home, but it made you
Speaker 2: question the entire program. Like when when Penn State lost
Speaker 2: to Ohio State, you didn't question the program. You're like, well,
Speaker 2: Ohio State's better that that Michigan. I mean, listen, if
Speaker 2: you want to ask yourself who who's getting punished, it's
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I think Tennessee is the sleeper national championship
Speaker 2: picking this thing.
Speaker 1: I was. I thought Herbstreet had a good point during
Speaker 1: the show when they released the bracket of you know,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, maybe would rather go on the road because
Speaker 1: a couple early three and outs, maybe you're down seven
Speaker 1: to nothing, ten nothing, that place will turn on your
Speaker 1: fast because that group's edgy, that group's already pissed off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like in a weird way at ten and two. Hosting
Speaker 1: a playoff game is a major disappointment. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: watching that game last night, I thought it was so
Speaker 1: insane that Clemson is now in the playoffs and Miami's
Speaker 1: just long gone, even though all season Miami it was
Speaker 1: like a top five or six team. And then Penn State.
Speaker 1: By takeaway with Penn State, Oregon's tough, and that's their
Speaker 1: skill group is better top to bottom. I think Penn
Speaker 1: State has their front seven full NFL guys. Yes, best
Speaker 1: tight end in the country. They have a one to
Speaker 1: two running back combination. Quarterback a little all over the map,
Speaker 1: but he is extremely talented. And you saw a couple
Speaker 1: of passes, yeh, whoa, that's a top ten pick. And
Speaker 1: then you saw a couple other passes, You're like, that's
Speaker 1: a sixth rounder. But you never really know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get with them. But they have a lot of
Speaker 1: talent on their team. Like to me, if the quarterback
Speaker 1: has a B plus a minus game, they could play
Speaker 1: with most anyone in this in this tournament. I'm with
Speaker 1: you on Tennessee. Their defensive line is really good. Yes,
Speaker 1: And what's Ohio State's problem right now, Well, if they're offensive,
Speaker 1: they's had a guy Terry Achilles. They missing that could
Speaker 1: be a rough I'm telling you that place could start boosting.
Speaker 1: It's like ten to nothing in the second quarter.
Speaker 2: The weather forecast for this weekend in Columbus is forty degrees.
Speaker 2: And what it's not playing to a finesse down field team.
Speaker 2: So Will Howard, who's been hot and cold in big games.
Speaker 2: It's forty degrees. The pressure's on. You'll be favored and
Speaker 2: Tennessee d line and Ohio State online. If you're forced
Speaker 2: to run the ball against Tennessee that's got a seventeen
Speaker 2: thirteen field to it, that's not gonna be a high
Speaker 2: scoring game, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: One thing that's gonna be. You know, for the most part,
Speaker 1: in college you get a couple and you hammered this
Speaker 1: home when they went. When the West Coast team's got
Speaker 1: in the big ten, there aren't as many cold weather
Speaker 1: games as you think. In the NFL there are. Why
Speaker 1: they play all through December through January. Yeah, college football
Speaker 1: usually ends home games the last week in November and
Speaker 1: then they go to warm weather bowls.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: So's that's where this changed, because they don't. They're they're
Speaker 1: playing in two weeks, right, and it's Friday night Saturday
Speaker 1: night at South Bend and at Ohio State, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, two of the biggest brands. It's gonna get
Speaker 1: huge ratings. Plus the NFL plays Saturday, so it gets
Speaker 1: a little loss in the show Uffel. You know, like Texas,
Speaker 1: the Texas game and the Penn State game are going
Speaker 1: up against like Raven Steelers, so you know, but those
Speaker 1: two night games are gonna be by themselves. It could
Speaker 1: be really cold, yep. I mean it's so it's gonna
Speaker 1: have one thing with playoff football, even with the best teams,
Speaker 1: it's usually not thirty five to thirty scores, right, It's
Speaker 1: usually lower scoring. You can't you can't feel your hands.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have a game in two weeks
Speaker 1: at Ohio State with it. Couldn't it be twenty seven
Speaker 1: degrees or Notre Dame. It could be freezing cold.
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Speaker 2: really like Texas in that spot, but I'm watching that
Speaker 2: game against Georgia. Georgia gets their quarterback knocked out and
Speaker 2: suddenly forced to run. In the second half. They found
Speaker 2: their run game there was when they went to overtime
Speaker 2: and the Texas series they do. They throw the ball
Speaker 2: out of the end zone, then they do a fade
Speaker 2: pattern and then they throw it out in the flat
Speaker 2: against you know, Georgia's linebackers and corners or NFL guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, Georgia's got a first round safety, a first
Speaker 2: round corner for first round defensive end. It's like, you're
Speaker 2: not going to beat in the flat. You're not going
Speaker 2: to be Georgia. For the last eight years, I thought
Speaker 2: for an offensive coach, sark I hated the overtime Texas
Speaker 2: play calling. I thought it was awful.
Speaker 1: Listen, I've been one of his biggest critics. I will
Speaker 1: defend him. I don't think he trusts his quarterback at all,
Speaker 1: and I don't blame him because I don't think he's
Speaker 1: very good. And early on in that game, when actually
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing that bad and Georgia was a little
Speaker 1: show shocked. Instead of being up seventeen to three, it's
Speaker 1: six to three. Ye. And then as the game went on,
Speaker 1: I thought, Yours became much more to who he's kind
Speaker 1: of become this season. Is very very averaged. Yes, and
Speaker 1: he's just not an explosive player. He's not a good playmaker.
Speaker 2: Is a former scout, You're nailing it when I watch him.
Speaker 2: He's not an explosive player.
Speaker 1: No, he's just he's not a playmaker. Like you watched
Speaker 1: one thing Bryce Young his comeback story. He's starting to
Speaker 1: make play. Yes, right, most decent quarterbacks can make throw
Speaker 1: a slant route or an out route from the pocket.
Speaker 1: But half the plays you're gonna have to scramble, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to move, you're gonna have to throw in
Speaker 1: the run, you might have to break a tackle. And
Speaker 1: you watch Quinn Yours. He cannot do any of that.
Speaker 1: So as the game goes on, what does George do
Speaker 1: that I start getting pressure on him, he starts getting sacked,
Speaker 1: He's not a very dynamic guy. Carson Beck like one thing.
Speaker 1: When the other guy, Gunner Stockton, what an incredible name,
Speaker 1: by the way, comes in, he is so mobile that
Speaker 1: he can just keep plays alive. They don't have that.
Speaker 1: Texas does have that with Archie Manning. Now. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Sark believes he's as good of a passer
Speaker 1: right now as Quinn yours. Clearly by not playing him,
Speaker 1: you've already paid Quinn the nil. But I think they
Speaker 1: have no shot to win the National championship with him
Speaker 1: at quarterback. You remove him if every team just has
Speaker 1: the same quarterback, like whatever, every if you put all
Speaker 1: twelve teams equal quarterback, Texas has as good of a
Speaker 1: chance to win the National Championship as anybody. You watch
Speaker 1: Oregon last night, that little quarterback look like Tua did
Speaker 1: at Alabama. I mean, some of the throws he was making.
Speaker 1: It's like this guy is playing quarterback in college better
Speaker 1: than all these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think, And that's.
Speaker 1: A huge advantage. Obviously, Oregon has really good skill guy,
Speaker 1: yea better than Georgia. You watch Bowers he's making. They
Speaker 1: missed Bowers of mcaukey, but still Dylan Gabriel right now
Speaker 1: is playing the best at quarterback for all these teams,
Speaker 1: even though Georgia Texas, you know, like they have a
Speaker 1: bunch of talent, but their quarterback plays shitty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's really interesting. When I watched Georgia, they
Speaker 2: have an incredible defensive lineman McHale Williams. They have a
Speaker 2: great safety. When I watched Georgia, I mean they're running
Speaker 2: backs last night. They're bringing in second, third, fourth, they
Speaker 2: are running that second half. It was violent. They are
Speaker 2: running over guys.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: With Texas, I know they have a bunch of good players,
Speaker 2: and Kelvin Banks, who got hurt, is a really really
Speaker 2: good tackle. But it's funny. When I watched Michigan win
Speaker 2: the Natty last year, they had Will Johnson at corner,
Speaker 2: Mason Graham, Blake Korhum, jj McCarthy. They had about six
Speaker 2: players that even in a game against Ohio State, You're like, wow,
Speaker 2: those are great players. Georgia's national championship teams, it can
Speaker 2: be picking Rock Bowers, Lad McConkey. It can be one
Speaker 2: of you know, Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Bama. Ohio State has four or five guys
Speaker 2: like that. Many at receiver, the Caleb Downs for Ohio State,
Speaker 2: the kid they got from Bama. He'll be the number
Speaker 2: one pick next year. He's an insane generational talent. When
Speaker 2: I watched Texas, this is weird, John. They got a
Speaker 2: bunch of good players. But I watched that offense and
Speaker 2: I'm like, they have good backs, they have good receivers.
Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of wow. And I know
Speaker 2: it's a really good roster. But if you look at
Speaker 2: National championship teams Michigan last year, Georgia teams, you know,
Speaker 2: when Clemson was winning, you'd have like a Mike Williams,
Speaker 2: You'd have a Trevor Lawrence. You'd have a linebacker that
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, that's different. Even in the game
Speaker 2: against Bama, that player's different. ATM the running back for Clemson.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I look at Texas and I know
Speaker 2: this sounds crazy because their recruiting has been great, but
Speaker 2: I just don't see enough wow. I see very good everywhere.
Speaker 2: But they couldn't score against Texas A and M. They
Speaker 2: can't move the ball against Georgia in the first set.
Speaker 2: That's with Sark and an NFL quarterback and the best
Speaker 2: left tackle in the sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should be able to run the ball better.
Speaker 1: Number twenty six, I mean he should average like one
Speaker 1: hundred yards a game. I mean that's one element. I
Speaker 1: mean I think sometimes the depth this gets back to
Speaker 1: these top teams are not ten deep, Like they don't
Speaker 1: go you know, back to back with their backup offensive line.
Speaker 1: Are not future pros. And that's where I think when
Speaker 1: you look at these former teams, Clemson in their heyday
Speaker 1: and the late teams beating Alabama, they were going too
Speaker 1: deep with pros getting drafted. Yes, Sabans team forever, the
Speaker 1: last of Kirby, Like this version of Kirby's teams relative
Speaker 1: to the back that don't even have anything in common, right,
Speaker 1: I think Michigan's team last year would easily win the
Speaker 1: National Championship again.
Speaker 2: Easily, even Washington last year that lost in the Natty.
Speaker 2: I mean you were looking at Roma Dunze, Michael Pennix,
Speaker 2: their receiving corps up and down, their receiver, they had
Speaker 2: a they had a right tackle and an interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: You were like, you could just tell this is like
Speaker 2: eight really good players.
Speaker 1: Team was real, and I think is that a little bit. Why,
Speaker 1: you know, at first I thought Belichick was just interviewing
Speaker 1: with North Carolina to just you know, it's like the
Speaker 1: guy who's trying to impress the girl and brings a
Speaker 1: girl another girl of the party to get people to
Speaker 1: notice them. You just want to show NFL teams like hey,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to people. And then you start reading like
Speaker 1: what if he realizes it actually might be a little
Speaker 1: easier in college because the parody is there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm not a huge disadvantage most of
Speaker 1: the time. And you watch in college football, like, like
Speaker 1: you said, Tennessee is a good value, you could say
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. If the quarterback just said all these teams,
Speaker 1: would it shock you? Like inferior Oregon is the best team.
Speaker 1: But then you look at the bracket. How hard it's
Speaker 1: gonna be? Like I don't take Boise and ASU seriously.
Speaker 1: I expect both of them to get knocked out. But
Speaker 1: I would say, of all the the SEC and the
Speaker 1: big tent like Indiana, there'll be one and done. But
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Georgia could win any game, could
Speaker 1: lose anything.
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 1: Texas could easily be Like I could see them look
Speaker 1: like shit, Yeah, who knows. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: all on the table, which makes this tournament pretty intriguing.
Speaker 1: Maybe the transfer portal in the NIL spreading out makes
Speaker 1: the twelve team brack even that much more intriguing because
Speaker 1: back in the day, you put a Pete Carroll USC
Speaker 1: a Nick Saban their heyday, they would kick the shit
Speaker 1: out all these teams. Yeah, wouldn't even be fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I think that's the benefit of the transfer portal
Speaker 2: is that nobody has depth, even the top teams. Just
Speaker 2: you lose a left tackle at Ohio State, then you
Speaker 2: move a guard to left tackle. Then your interior alignment
Speaker 2: gets hurt, you get weak, you get you have a
Speaker 2: unit that has a liability very quickly in college football.
Speaker 1: Now do you think I haven't heard your take on
Speaker 1: the Belichick North Carolina. Well, do you think that's more
Speaker 1: just trying to prove or do you think there's some
Speaker 1: real substance behind that.
Speaker 2: I think he wants to get his son the job.
Speaker 2: His son's at Washington. I think he wants to get
Speaker 2: his son a head coaching job. And I think Bill
Speaker 2: is so big on the East Coast. People out west
Speaker 2: don't care, but people out East do I don't think
Speaker 2: he would have to have an incredibly young collegiate staff,
Speaker 2: which I'm not sure he has the patience for. I
Speaker 2: just don't know if he has the patience. You know,
Speaker 2: Bill was always the grinder. It was always sacrificed for
Speaker 2: the team. Shit, kids aren't sacrificing now, they'll bounce in
Speaker 2: a second. Now do I think schematically I mean, Charlie
Speaker 2: Weiss was schematically excellent. He just couldn't recruit. He just
Speaker 2: didn't want to get out there. Bill's not gonna you know,
Speaker 2: Bill will do some private jet stuff, but Bill's not
Speaker 2: going to be on the road. He views himself as
Speaker 2: he should, as a different level. I don't Andy Reid
Speaker 2: again as a funnier guy, a more social guy. I
Speaker 2: don't think he'd want to be on the road recruiting.
Speaker 1: Did you see Albert Berr's report about how many homes
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders has been in the last eighteen months? Huh? Zero?
Speaker 1: Because in this day and age, they used to have rules,
Speaker 1: Like when I worked at Fresno State, only like six
Speaker 1: or seven of your guys were eligible to go recruit
Speaker 1: and go into someone's home. Now there are no rules.
Speaker 1: Anyone you could hire or recruiting staff, you know, former
Speaker 1: players that just go recruit you. You don't have to
Speaker 1: go into homes anymore. And it makes sense like when
Speaker 1: I saw they technically had like an early recruiting signing
Speaker 1: day a couple of days ago, right, and some of
Speaker 1: these kids were saying, like, you know this guy just
Speaker 1: recruited me. No, you got paid the most money. It's
Speaker 1: the game has completely changed. And maybe Bill who views
Speaker 1: it much more from a strategic business mindset of like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you give me ten plus million in nil funds,
Speaker 1: I feel I have a pretty good idea. I can
Speaker 1: bring a couple of my guys from the NFL to
Speaker 1: figure out how to allocate this pie. I'll pick the players.
Speaker 1: And maybe he've used it much more because it is
Speaker 1: it has much more of an NFL feel now. The
Speaker 1: difference is like when I sign you to a three
Speaker 1: year deal, you're under contract, right. You know in college,
Speaker 1: these guys, as someone texts me around college, he's like,
Speaker 1: if you've noticed some of these random teams and I didn't.
Speaker 1: Did a kid just won't play the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: you know on a team that's like going to be
Speaker 1: six and six they'll just be sick. Yeah, well they're transferring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll just go to the coach on Wednesday or Thursday
Speaker 1: of like week eleven when the team's not going anywhere,
Speaker 1: and like, coach, I just don't feel great. I'm out.
Speaker 1: And that's happening all over the place. Yeah before, I mean,
Speaker 1: that guy would just keep playing. I said this before
Speaker 1: about like Kyle McCord transferring in the history of the sport,
Speaker 1: Kyle McCord just would have been Ohio State's quarterback again.
Speaker 1: And what if he just would have taken the next
Speaker 1: step and all of a sudden, Ohio State was twelve
Speaker 1: and zero in the number one seed. But instead they
Speaker 1: kick him out. Everyone's so quick to move. We're in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Sometimes you just have to keep a guy
Speaker 1: because you drafted him high and he get he improves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now in college, you know, coaches and players are
Speaker 1: just so quick to like point the finger at the
Speaker 1: other guy and bounce or basically cut him. And it
Speaker 1: reflects when you watch these teams, because listen, the games
Speaker 1: are still fun, but you can feel that these teams
Speaker 1: aren't as good, the high end teams as they Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't even think like, is this the
Speaker 1: best Oregon team in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing is players in college are
Speaker 2: leaving now, and it's not that they're not productive. USC
Speaker 2: just lost to kids. Sam Green he was playing a
Speaker 2: ton I think he was a red and shirt freshman
Speaker 2: or a freshman. He was playing a ton somebody offered
Speaker 2: him more money. Bottom line, somebody played USC and went,
Speaker 2: you know, it could be a Penn State the kids
Speaker 2: from that part of the country. So kids aren't even
Speaker 2: disgruntled they're leaving. You're getting cherry picked. Penn State could go, hey,
Speaker 2: we're losing, like all of our we're losing four really
Speaker 2: good guys up front. That's Sam Green kid, we lost
Speaker 2: out to USC. Let's just go buy him. So a
Speaker 2: guy doesn't even have to be disgruntled. It's it's can
Speaker 2: you imagine in the NFL if you didn't have contracts
Speaker 2: and you're like, let's just make a bid on you know,
Speaker 2: a great left tackle.
Speaker 1: You know one thing I was talking to a buddy
Speaker 1: that said that the top end of this draft is
Speaker 1: not very good. It's not And I said, isn't that
Speaker 1: a back to back a couple of years now where
Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't feel loaded with guys. Are we concerned, like,
Speaker 1: do we have any theories? And I started thinking, I
Speaker 1: wonder if guys now bouncing left and right, you don't
Speaker 1: develop as you used to just being in a program
Speaker 1: for three or four years, consistent practice, consistent training. Well,
Speaker 1: now guys are just mercenaries on the move.
Speaker 2: The other thing is more guys are playing baseball. Moms
Speaker 2: don't want their kids to play football. Now, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter in the South or Texas or maybe Pennsylvania, but
Speaker 2: there is lower high school football turnout and a lot
Speaker 2: of these great athletes are looking at these baseball contracts
Speaker 2: and going, you guys get ten year baseball contracts. So
Speaker 2: I think it's the mom. You know, moms are like, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't want my son playing football. And I'm not
Speaker 2: picking on moms that that's just been discussed, right, Like
Speaker 2: that's been.
Speaker 1: What is the O line D line doing that? You know,
Speaker 1: are six foot six, three hundred pound guys playing baseball? Well,
Speaker 1: I still think they just don't exist. I still think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good football players. And again, for sure,
Speaker 1: I think high school football turnout has decreased. And by
Speaker 1: the way, the NFL smartly ten years ago I talked
Speaker 1: about this on my show Targeted Moms and their Ants.
Speaker 1: About ten years ago, the NFL was around that CTE stuff.
Speaker 1: Those remember when that was getting the big payoffs for
Speaker 1: the NFL pivoted and said, hey, we have to make
Speaker 1: sure that both parents are into football. And by the
Speaker 1: way it has worked, it is remarkable the number of
Speaker 1: women who love football. It's half the league's fans. It's
Speaker 1: like fifty to fifty last time I looked. So this
Speaker 1: has been a point, a real distinction. The NFL has
Speaker 1: tried to own the household, you know, not just dad
Speaker 1: and dad loves Nope, that's not what it is anymore.
Speaker 2: They want everybody. And I think that's part of it.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is to your point, I think
Speaker 2: players aren't as developed. I think, listen, it's like anything else.
Speaker 2: If you're bouncing around for money and not management, you're
Speaker 2: you're never going to be quite as good. I don't
Speaker 2: care if it's an AI or tech or football. If
Speaker 2: you if you had four bosses in six years, I
Speaker 2: mean one of the real look at you at our company.
Speaker 2: You just keep developing, getting bigger and bigger. Part of
Speaker 2: it is the salespeople know John. It takes a year
Speaker 2: or two for the salespeople to get a line and
Speaker 2: we know you and then we can build your YouTube page.
Speaker 2: Everything takes growth. You know, My first couple of years
Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio weren't as good as the last four. Everything
Speaker 2: it's it's a hierarchy you have to build. It's a
Speaker 2: staff you have to build. So to your point, when
Speaker 2: some of these players are bouncing around a lot of times,
Speaker 2: they get the money and they get a worse coach,
Speaker 2: they get a worse position coach.
Speaker 1: It's Brady's point that he hammers non stop, like going
Speaker 1: through some challenges in college is a healthy thing, Like
Speaker 1: you learn a lot about yourself and improve because in
Speaker 1: the NFL it's really hard. Yeah, so it's easy to
Speaker 1: get in the tank. Look at Bryce Young, who I
Speaker 1: would have bet against falling off a cliff. He was
Speaker 1: mentally prepared for the challenges. Why he had spent three
Speaker 1: years next to Nick Yep, you know, and who knows
Speaker 1: you know back at you know in this modern day
Speaker 1: to you know Jalen. I know Jalen transferred at the
Speaker 1: end to Oklahoma, but he was there for a couple
Speaker 1: of years essentially as the backup, going back and forth
Speaker 1: that had to benefit all.
Speaker 2: Those Yep, no question about it, all right, John Middelcoff,
Speaker 2: former NFL Scout three and out podcast on a stacked weekend.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, almost an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, Talk to you soon, Colin the volume.
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