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Speaker 2: for our Sunday collaboration. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout with

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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles, has a three and out podcast, rams

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Speaker 2: hold On to beat the Bills forty four or forty two.

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Speaker 2: Before I talk about the game, there was a really

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Speaker 2: interesting play at the very end of the game. It

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Speaker 2: did not cost the Bills the game, but I thought

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady touched on it and it drove me crazy.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the things I don't love defensive

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Speaker 2: and Brady kind of nailed it. Spread your team out,

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Speaker 2: take three quick shots into the end zone, get a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: You want to have about a minute twenty left, drive

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Speaker 2: down and score. And then Sean McDermott twice ran the

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Speaker 2: one of his own timeouts. The second one they scored

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Speaker 2: on and it just situational football. It didn't in the

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Speaker 2: end matter, but that was like one of those oh,

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Speaker 2: this is really obvious. I think the Andy Reids, mcveigh's

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Speaker 1: No to me when you're in that situation when you

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Speaker 1: I basically, in my mind give you a loss. I

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Speaker 1: just it doesn't bother me. Like that game was lost

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Speaker 1: early in the game when the Bill showed up really flat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, they showed up like today. They showed up

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Speaker 1: today like it was a trap game. Yeah. Right, Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: they win the division, which it's about as early as

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Speaker 1: you can win a division in the NFL. December first, right,

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Speaker 1: you fly across the country to play the Rams, who

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Speaker 1: aren't some scrub team, but you got the Lions next week,

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Speaker 1: and you come out flat, and it took a herculean

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Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, your defense, which has been really good,

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, Nickveigh, Matt Stafford, these two guys,

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Speaker 1: offensive wizard, great quarterback, both make a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: They have not been that good for about a month.

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Speaker 1: This was not the Rams team that we have been watching, right,

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Speaker 1: they have not been played well on offense. Now they

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Speaker 2: I thought it was the best the Rams have played

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Speaker 2: a flawless football game. The fact that Buffalo scored so

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Speaker 2: many points. Josh Allen first player in the history of

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Speaker 2: not see this game, it may be the single greatest

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen a moment of a

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Speaker 2: player caring a franchise. The secondary for the Bills was

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Speaker 2: banged up and torched. They came in with no juice.

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Speaker 2: He single handedly kept them in the game with running play,

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Speaker 2: not just casual running plays, not six eight yards like

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Speaker 2: a You know, Pukas had injury issues, so is Cooper

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Speaker 2: feels like they're just a little disjointed. If the Rams

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Speaker 1: Well. To me, Thursday night they played the Niners, so

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Speaker 1: like a mcpah shanny when he coaches defense. He's done

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Speaker 1: the Niners, you know, aren't really alive and they lost

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Speaker 1: But the Rams, this goes back to last year. When

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Speaker 1: was texting with some buddies this week, Jared Verse and

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Speaker 1: Fisk are so good. Yeah, those those two draft picks

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Speaker 1: know there, their talent on defense isn't that great, but

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Speaker 1: verse will his power translate? It's translated. Yeah, And those

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Speaker 1: Now he came back in something to monitor now short week.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing and you hit on it. We

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Speaker 1: media and just when we talk about Josh all In

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen is one of the best players ever any

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Speaker 1: sport I've ever read yes, Like, how are we arguing

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Speaker 1: when we watched this game play? Like, yeah, does he

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Speaker 1: throw a couple of picks? Yes, so did far.

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Speaker 2: By the way talking, he is to me Otani he

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Speaker 2: like while you may be watching, you may be watching

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Speaker 2: the greatest talent ever. I mean, John Elway ran. He

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Speaker 2: didn't do this. John Elway was strong. He wasn't this.

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Speaker 2: John Alway had a good arm. I'm not sure it

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Speaker 2: was this like and again we all acknowledged Mahomes, but

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Speaker 2: Patrick's terrific. But what I watched today, I mean, just

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Speaker 2: here's the thing I worry about with Buffalo. Kansas City

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Speaker 2: never delivers that Kansas City when they show up with

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Speaker 2: no juice. Now, this did happen early in mahomes career.

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Speaker 2: They'd fall behind twenty four to ten and you'd be like,

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Speaker 2: can beat them at Arrowhead, but they rarely come with

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Speaker 2: no juice. And that's a team with two trophies. Buffalo

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Speaker 2: the first half was twenty four to fourteen. The Rams

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Speaker 2: did whatever they wanted to Kyraen Williams rap Pooker cup.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they just did whatever they wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: It was like eight man football for Buffalo. It's like,

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Speaker 2: is anybody guarding the receivers? That does trouble me? They

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Speaker 2: were on about a four or five week run where

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Speaker 2: I had not seen this, But don't they give you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've been doing it now for a couple

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Speaker 1: Like that's a pretty big moment for Buffalo because Colin

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Speaker 1: Kansas City still got a couple of tough games. Every

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Speaker 1: because we already know about Detroit right their competitive character,

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Speaker 1: But today was the first half was embarrassing for Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: That can't happen if you want to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And then they're not even when healthy, are talented enough

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Speaker 2: the quarterback, you're I mean right now. Baltimore's back end,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrows defense is atrocious. If you look at Stafford,

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Speaker 2: let's be honest about it. The offensive line, it feels

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Speaker 2: think it really that's why coaching and quarterback play john

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Speaker 2: are no perfect teams. They're just you can't. The transfer portal,

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Speaker 2: by the way, has done this to college football in

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Speaker 2: the NIL. The minute you think you're loaded, you lose all.

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Speaker 2: Like in Ohio State can't carry three great tackles because

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Speaker 2: So like in college football, the unintended benefit of the

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Speaker 1: That's over.

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Speaker 2: Like there's just too many teams here. And when I

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Speaker 2: it's those are bad secondaries.

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Speaker 1: The one thing with Buffalo and same thing with Baltimore

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Speaker 1: when their offense is on, I mean they scored, they

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Speaker 1: flipped a switch in the second half, they can get

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Speaker 1: to forty. How many teams, I mean, Stafford is one

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Speaker 1: of the better quarterbacks of his generation. Puka looks like

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Speaker 1: clearly when he's healthy, one of the best wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: How many teams are beating Buffalo when they flip that

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Speaker 1: I mean, and you're gonna have to have a Stafford

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Speaker 2: Let's pivot, Vikings forty two, Atlanta twenty one, good first half,

440
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Speaker 2: and then Minnesota took over. I push back when you

441
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Speaker 2: suggested that Minnesota may have to re sign Sam Darnold.

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00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: First of all, he's going to have a very tasty

443
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Speaker 2: free agent market. Vegas Giants, Tennessee minimum are gonna at

444
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: least look at it. If they don't like cam Moore,

445
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: Shad or Sanders will go number one to either Vegas

446
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: or the Giants. I think you will. Not everybody's gonna

447
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: like cam Moore. But if you look in the last

448
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: month Darnald has eleven tds no picks this receiving corps

449
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: plus TJ. Hawkinson, Jefferson and Addison had five touchdowns today.

450
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Speaker 2: We got to be honest about this. In the history

451
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Speaker 2: of the league, you could put him in a very

452
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Speaker 2: rich Gannon class, like nobody will leaves an M two.

453
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Speaker 2: He's a top three quarterback, top four quarterback in the

454
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Speaker 2: league playing right now. I'm watching Darnold make plays today

455
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: and our thing was, well, I think we both felt

456
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: the same big, strong, athletic, coachable, tough kid, but his

457
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: accuracy could be hit and miss. Well, Kevin O'Connell's taking

458
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: the reckless out and elevated. You know he's made it

459
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: very intentional. Sam goes back to pass, you get a

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00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 2: very intentional play. And if he has to add lib,

461
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: which he did today, he's fantastic. Not Lamar or Josh,

462
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: but he is way high end in this league. He

463
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Speaker 2: is in the Justin Herbert class. Like I'm gonna move

464
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna crank it, and I never thought this.

465
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Speaker 2: He's had one stinker all year. He had a couple

466
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Speaker 2: picks against the Jags. They won that game. Remember that

467
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: game down in Jacksonville. They were terrible in the red zone,

468
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Speaker 2: so his stinker, they won. They could still be a

469
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Speaker 2: number one seed. I think I'm sitting here thinking today,

470
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Speaker 2: do you let him walk out of the building.

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Speaker 1: I think at minimum, right now he's in the category

472
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Speaker 1: if you don't want to do the long term you

473
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Speaker 1: got to franchise him right now. The problem with franchising

474
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Speaker 1: it's forty one million dollars for a quarterback, and unlike

475
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Speaker 1: these contracts, you don't get to push any of that

476
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Speaker 1: off on you know, you know, years in the future.

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Speaker 1: He has twenty eight touchdowns right now, Colin, they have

478
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Speaker 1: four games left. He has twenty eight touchdowns and they

479
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: were eleven and two. The one player you're we're alluding

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Speaker 1: to when he scrambled around and he kind of did

481
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Speaker 1: a three sixty, went across, threw it to Jefferson across

482
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Speaker 1: his body. I got that looked like Josh Allen and

483
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: that was a play today. If you are the GM

484
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Speaker 1: and the head coach, you go. This is exactly why

485
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Speaker 1: we said Kirk Cousins were not in the market for

486
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Speaker 1: you anymore because you don't want You've never had that

487
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Speaker 1: in the bag. But the version that we're seeing out

488
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Speaker 1: of Cousins. Cousins just got one hundred million dollars guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't thrown a touchdown in four weeks, and he's

490
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Speaker 1: throwing picks just by the you know, multiple picks every game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he might be cooked. Like you saw today

492
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Speaker 1: was a pivot point. One guy's career feels like it's

493
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Speaker 1: kind of headed toward the drain, like is he even

494
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: gonna be starting next week? And the other guy is exploding?

495
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Speaker 1: And you use rich Gannon as your example. Rich Gannon

496
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Speaker 1: did not have this level arm. Rich Gannon did not.

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Speaker 1: That was the knock on Rich. While a lot of

498
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Speaker 1: people back in the day were like, you know, it

499
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: was hard for Gruden to sell Al Davis on Rich

500
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: because he liked those big arm quarterbacks and that wasn't Rich.

501
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Speaker 1: But Rich was really accurate. Sam Darnold sixty eight percent

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Speaker 1: this season, Colin crazy. Now, listen, he's gonna turn the

503
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Speaker 1: ball over a little bit. He's got ten picks, probably

504
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: end up with thirteen and fourteen. How often do you

505
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: watch him and you see him explode the ball down

506
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Speaker 1: the field. Well, now that they are left tackles injured,

507
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: the best two players on the Vikings are the two

508
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: white So those guys are thriving under Sam. How could

509
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: you I've said before Today is a great example. He

510
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Speaker 1: threw five touchdowns against a team with a lot of

511
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Speaker 1: good defensive secondary gyas yause in your wildest dreams, you

512
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: would design are JJ to become this player one day,

513
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: to be that good what we witnessed today and the

514
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: chances based on the history of we all watching the

515
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: NFL and knowing how hard this league is, it's less

516
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Speaker 1: than fifty percent he's ever that good? Well, Sam currently

517
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: is this good? And now has this I would say,

518
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, resume of life in the league, of building

519
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: on callouses, going through adversity, being very confident in himself,

520
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: but having humility to know how hard it is. Like

521
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: he's seen it all. He has seen the worst of

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00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: the worst. And then with Kyle and now Kevin O'Connell,

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Speaker 1: I understand that they drafted a quarterback. But sometimes things change. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the forty nine ers drafted Trey Lance and

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Speaker 1: they pivoted in the blink of an eye, yep, to

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Speaker 1: party and sometimes you just that's isn't that part You

527
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: started the volume like pivot fast, right? I mean, you know,

528
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: Sam Darnoldy. So what he's gonna cost you a lot

529
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Speaker 1: of money if he's a top five or six quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the NFC. I mean, this year, how many NFC

531
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are better than him? He's better than Jalen Hurts

532
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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield had a

534
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: good quarter today, but was awful for long stretches in

535
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Speaker 2: the game.

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Speaker 1: Awful.

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Speaker 2: Geno Smith, Yeah, Baker was awful and that by the way,

538
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: And I've tried to be very positive with Baker because

539
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: I was so rough on him early. But he can

540
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: be really reckless and you can't coach that out of him.

541
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Speaker 2: He's just a different personality. He literally lives for chip

542
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: on his shoulder. Sam doesn't have that. Sam's not trying

543
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: to prove anything other than I'm good. Sam's like a

544
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: beach boy. He's having a good time. He's he's an

545
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: ocean side, you know, linebacker basketball, He's an athlete. He's

546
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: a great kid. Baker's got that chip a mile along.

547
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: Baker's battled his own family at times. It's part of

548
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 2: his great fabric and his story. I love, but Geno Smith,

549
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: there's limitations. Baker is reckless Darnold, you're getting a higher

550
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: upside with I mean, I always thought Baker was a

551
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: better pure pocket passer. This year, I'm not sure, and

552
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: some of it's justin Jefferson, but it's not like Mike

553
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: Evans and Chris Godwin and the guys down there are

554
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: bad either. I just think letting him walk out the door.

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00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: What if he goes to an NFC team?

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Speaker 1: To me, though, you know, use Baker is a good example.

557
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: Aren't we all all a little bit of a product

558
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: of our past. I mean, Baker was a walk on

559
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: at Texas tach six feet tall, yeah, Sam Darnold six

560
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: foot four at USC, you know, in the in the

561
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: most turmoil time in the history of the program, leads

562
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: him to eleven plus wins. I mean, in the ugliness

563
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: of the mid twenty tens. He's a strapping, big arm

564
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: like a blue chip.

565
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: He won a Rose Bowl against a good Penn State

566
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Speaker 2: team with a really bad college football coach and no

567
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: pros around him. I mean that you go back to

568
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: that year and it was hero ball, that's all it was.

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Speaker 1: I'm pro Baker, and he's really matured and he's become

570
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: a good player, But the skill set of the two,

571
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: Sam is the more dynamic player, and looking back, like

572
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: if you did a redraft, yeah, I think both of

573
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: them probably aren't going one to three, but clearly they've

574
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: lived up to like they're going to play in the

575
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: league for a long time. Sam's high end is higher

576
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: than base, yes, because his mobility bigger. And I just

577
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear you watch Sam, He's got an

578
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: explosive arm. Yeah, and on the move he can really

579
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: sling it. And that's the playmaking Minnesota what limited in

580
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: the last limited that team the last couple of years.

581
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: You know, Cousins was a stagnant can't move if you

582
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: throw them off the spot, Sam's on face, got ad lib,

583
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Speaker 1: no problem, Let's rip.

584
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Speaker 2: So now I want to go and we don't have

585
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: to spend as much time on these two games because

586
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 2: I want to talk a lot of college football playoff.

587
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh beats Cleveland twenty seven to fourteen. Russell Wilson six

588
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: and one as a starter, good on third down. Now,

589
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: they didn't have Pickens today who I don't know what

590
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: they said, hamstring, but George Pickens wasn't around and there

591
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: were real limitations like this is one of these you

592
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: know how like AJ Brown leads Jalen as much as

593
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: Jalen leads AJ Brown. Like AJ Brown's got this weird

594
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: stat He's like the most instrumental wide receiver in the league.

595
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: Like the team STI front boy George Pickens with Russ

596
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: is dangerous without him today, I mean they didn't do much,

597
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Speaker 2: but again, this is the first time in years. They

598
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Speaker 2: don't make a lot of mistakes. They get to the line,

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Speaker 2: they're pretty good on third down. I think Pittsburgh's gonna

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Speaker 2: have a hard time in a com and a division

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Speaker 2: with Burrow. You don't want to start over again. You

602
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Speaker 2: got Burrow, Lamar Jackson, hell Jamis Winston's productive. I don't

603
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Speaker 2: know what Pittsburgh does. They they have to sign him,

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Speaker 2: don't they.

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Speaker 1: I thought Russell had two of his better throws this

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Speaker 1: season on a couple of touchdown passes in the red

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Speaker 1: zone to day the tight end quick balls, getting the

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Speaker 1: ball out of his hand. He had a friarman on

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Speaker 1: the one. On another one getting it kind of under

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Speaker 1: a defensive back. I thought today was a really big

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Speaker 1: moment for Russell because, like you said, I mean, George

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Speaker 1: Pickett was kind of like Malone at Stockton and that

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Speaker 1: was his guy, ye and then you remove him and

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Speaker 1: early on. You know, the brown clearly are going to

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Speaker 1: play very well against these teams in the division. They're

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Speaker 1: very confident at home or on the road, they are

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have the worst record in the league that

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Speaker 1: every team has to take very seriously. Down the streets

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Speaker 1: you're trying to make.

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Speaker 2: They missed field goals today. They could have absent.

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Speaker 1: Their field goal kickers and shambles right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they had a chance. This could have been a

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Speaker 2: final drive of the game contest. I mean, there's no

624
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Speaker 2: question Cleveland was in this thing, Jamis, you know, so

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Speaker 2: that's my take. Russell didn't play particularly well. They missed

626
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Speaker 2: their star, but they beat a division rival and he

627
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: just doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Yet to me, if he's not turning the ball over

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Speaker 1: and can be productive for you in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: Their defense, this franchise, how they are able to find

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Speaker 1: these defensive linemen they had ninety five today, had an

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Speaker 1: interception on a screen path from Jamis. They have like

633
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: three or four pass rushers outside of TJ. Watt, Cam

634
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Speaker 1: Hayward's been in the league. It feels like for twenty

635
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: years still making place. I mean their franchise. I was wrong.

636
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Speaker 1: I thought it was time for a divorcee and just time.

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Speaker 1: Like Andy Reid Philly, it was time.

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought.

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Speaker 1: And listen and I and I also thought this. I

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Speaker 1: thought going from Justin Fields to Russell Wilson was going

641
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: to be an epic mistake. In the Locks. He has

642
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: been such a major upgrade and seeing some clips like

643
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: Justin Field still in it, maybe listen, Maybe sometimes every

644
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: human being fails at different times. Some are more public

645
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Speaker 1: than others. Maybe maybe it was healthy for Russell. Maybe

646
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: it's just kind of changed him a little bit because

647
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: he has it feels like ingratiate himself with a group

648
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: and a city in a friend, it's not easy to do.

649
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not exactly diva. You know, it's it's

650
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: blue collar, working man team, and he feels kind of

651
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Speaker 1: one of them. I mean, I I take him pretty SERI.

652
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Speaker 1: I was impressed today because I thought Cleveland early on

653
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: was coming to play. Jamis was making some plays. I'm like,

654
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: Cleveland's confident against Pittsburgh. They just beat him a couple

655
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. You're like, uh, let's be a bad loss,

656
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: and they kind of hit the Jets and all of

657
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: a sudden they were up a couple of touchdowns and

658
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: never looked back.

659
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Speaker 2: Okay, Seattle thirty, Arizona eighteen. Seattle's now eight and a five.

660
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: They sweep Arizona, really dominate the game, ran the ball effectively.

661
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray had a couple ugly picks early in the game.

662
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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's really interesting when I watch Gino again,

663
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Speaker 2: you know, twenty four of I think thirty it would

664
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Speaker 2: just again kind of stoic, sits in the pocket, makes

665
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Speaker 2: the throws. I love Seattle's skill talent. I think they

666
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Speaker 2: have two backs.

667
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Speaker 1: I like.

668
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Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba Lockett still banging around this league, which

669
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Speaker 2: is crazy. He was a gadget guy and now it's

670
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: a ten plus career. I look at Seattle, they're going

671
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Speaker 2: to make the playoffs now it looks I mean, they're

672
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Speaker 2: eight and five. They have a sixty two percent chance

673
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Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. I got to tell you this,

674
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Speaker 2: as Pete Carroll hangs around the USC inferno right now,

675
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: I know, deep down, Pete Carroll would we'd take that

676
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: job in two minutes? Is I think you and I

677
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Speaker 2: put Gino below Baker and sam Don. Maybe you don't,

678
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Speaker 2: but I don't think he's I think there's I do, yeah,

679
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: I do, so do I this roster, I mean they

680
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: are they are missing a quarterback now. I thought they

681
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: should have gone after Pennox last year. I parts of

682
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: me think I don't know what to do with Seattle,

683
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm sitting there watching it today. This

684
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: is a This is Arizona's biggest game of the year.

685
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: They just got hammered by Seattle. Shit. Seattle took total

686
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: control of the game in the first half. Felt like

687
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 2: they sealed it early with picks. I think this coach

688
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: is good. I think the rosters fairly. I think we

689
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: don't know a lot of their players. But you go

690
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: watch the way they came back and won against the Jets.

691
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: You watched the way they went to Arizona. Young teams

692
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: tend to be more emotional John and Seattle's young in spots.

693
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Speaker 2: But these young teams don't know what they don't know.

694
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Speaker 2: I think Seattle's better than I thought. And before the

695
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Speaker 2: season you said, I said, give me a team. Denver

696
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: was my team. No, Washington was my team. I thought

697
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: was going to be better than everybody thought. And I said,

698
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Speaker 2: give me a team that we're gonna look up in

699
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: week fifteen and go damn. And yours was Seattle, you kept.

700
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Speaker 2: Mine was Washington with the commanders. They had all new people,

701
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Speaker 2: and I said, good, all the other people were awful.

702
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: They've upgraded everything owner down. It would Seattle. If the

703
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Speaker 2: Rams in Seattle played in the playoff, we would take

704
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: Stafford and McVeigh right.

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Speaker 1: It depends where the game was. I think you're understating

706
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: the coach as being good. I think he's awesome. I mean,

707
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: look at Baltimore since he's left. Their defense last year

708
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: was historic and they've fallen apart same place.

709
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: They're awful now.

710
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Speaker 1: And you watch Seattle as they've gotten guys back, they

711
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: are much better on defense. This was my favorite bet

712
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Speaker 1: of the weekend was them two and a half on

713
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Speaker 1: the road. One, they've just played well in Arizona for

714
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Speaker 1: a long time. And two you could tell this Arizona

715
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Speaker 1: team had been leaking oil. Now. Kyler Parlays has two

716
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: picks down the stretching last game, right back in the

717
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: first quarter, throws two awful picks and then unraveled on

718
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: him fast and once it's twenty four to ten. It's

719
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Speaker 1: like you can tell with Arizona when they're vibing and

720
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: they show up, You're like, Okay, it's gonna be a game.

721
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Speaker 1: When they get a little off kilter, how about listen.

722
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Speaker 1: He is a freak talent like you will. I don't

723
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Speaker 1: think we'll ever see another five 'ot nine guy drafted

724
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Speaker 1: number one overall. Now, granted Bryce went to and Bryce

725
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: has looked a lot better. Yeah, but Kyler is truly

726
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, his version of like Bo Jackson or Deon Sanders.

727
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: Just physical talent, it's it's all time great. But his

728
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: body language when he plays bad early he kind of

729
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: can go in the tank. Yes, and your quarterback. You know,

730
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: we're talked about Buffalo. Early they're getting their ass kicked

731
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Speaker 1: and Josh keeps his head up and keeps swinging kind

732
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: of just kind of gets MOPI And that was the

733
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: knock on him, and it felt like he had matured

734
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Speaker 1: a little bit. And it's like he kind of went

735
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: back in the tank today and that's you saw Seattle.

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Speaker 1: You know, That's the thing they got with Gino is

737
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: like he cannot play well and it feels like for

738
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Speaker 1: the most part, his body language is pretty solid.

739
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Speaker 2: Even he feels terrible when Gino makes a mistake. Nobody

740
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: feels worse than Geno. He's got a good heart, he is,

741
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: He's got leadership qualities. You can tell us teammates in

742
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: the sideline love him. Gino Smith has limitations, but it's

743
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: not leadership. It's not work ethic, it's not added to

744
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: Gino Smith bust his ass every week. He really and

745
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Speaker 2: he really appreciates this opportunity.

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Speaker 1: The one thing with Seattle, Colin is their schedule these

747
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: next two weeks. They are Packers Vikings. Now they're both

748
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: in Seattle. But that's gonna be tough. You're getting the Packers,

749
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: who I would say are gonna come into this. I mean,

750
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Speaker 1: this's a big game for them. Gotta lick their wounds

751
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: after that Lions game, right because now they're nine to four.

752
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: They feel destined for a wildcard spot. That's a big

753
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: moment for them in Minnesota. I don't know how they

754
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: do it, but they feel like they're gonna end up

755
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: winning fourteen games. Then they play the Bears, and then

756
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: they play the Rams. Now, if the Rams beat the

757
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: Niners this week, that game Week eighteen could be the

758
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: Sunday Night winner get in for the division, right, you know,

759
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: two nine win teams, whoever wins gets ten and wins

760
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: the division. The other team might be on the outside

761
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: looking in, not even get a wildcard spot. So I

762
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: think if Seattle wins one of these next two games,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna win the division. If they lose both of

764
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: them and the Rams beat the forty nine ers, I

765
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: think we got, you know, a division on our hands.

766
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: I take Seattle pretty seriously. I think they're coaching staff.

767
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 1: Head coach, the stud Ryan Grubb clearly is really good.

768
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: The dude they took from Debor who had never coached

769
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: in the pros. And Gino hasn't really you know, he's

770
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: looked exactly like he has the last couple of years,

771
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: if not even he's been a little more consistent. What

772
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: can they do this year is like they're a little

773
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: more hammered the run. I mean today, Sharbonay, he's our

774
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: backup running back, had one hundred and twenty five shards.

775
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Speaker 1: And like you said, if they get walker to me,

776
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: if they're gonna be taken yes, like and win a

777
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: playoff game and win this division. That his injuries have

778
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: been a little bit of a problem. If they can

779
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: keep him healthy. Their offensive skill guy minus the quarterback

780
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: is as good as any like It's like Eagles level

781
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: right with their wide receivers, the tight end, Yeah, multiple

782
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Speaker 1: running backs.

783
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: Walker runs so hard, He's the kid that led college

784
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: football at Michigan State yards after contact, he just he

785
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 2: runs so hard he hurts himself. He's got a little

786
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: bit of that James Connor in Arizona. He runs violently,

787
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about before we get into the

804
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Speaker 2: college football. Dolphins in overtime beat the Jets thirty two

805
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: to twenty six. Best game Aaron Rodgers played this year

806
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: twenty seven to thirty nine, three hundred and forty yards.

807
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: Davante Adams and Garrett Wilson combined for sixteen catches and

808
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: over two hundred and twenty yards. Aaron looked good first

809
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Speaker 2: half and second they played much better than I thought.

810
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: They had a chance to win this game. But the

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Speaker 2: reason I think it's interesting and two, I had a

812
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: good afternoon, but the Jets averaged six and a half

813
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: yards and Aaron was on his game, so we should

814
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Speaker 2: say that. But they still lost. And so the draft

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Speaker 2: order today is Raiders, and I assume they'll take Shduur

816
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: Sanders Giants. The question is do they go after a

817
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: Darnel or is it cam Ward New England Panthers, Jaguars, Titans,

818
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: Jets at seven? Actually probably go and either get Calvin Banks,

819
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: the Texas tackle, or Will Campbell, the LSU tackle. That's

820
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: a fairly predictable draft pick. But it's interesting because I

821
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: was looking at the draft order as I watched the

822
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Speaker 2: Jets and the Dolphins, and it's getting very defined now.

823
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Like the Raiders and the Giants, they're bad teams. Let's

824
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 2: talk about the Jets before we get into this. Miami's

825
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: not going to make the playoffs. I mean again, Aaron

826
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: tore them apart today. He was even two for two

827
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Speaker 2: on fourth down. They're going to get a new coach now.

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Speaker 2: As I said earlier with the Bears, they need a

829
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Speaker 2: culture coach. I think that's exactly what the Jets need.

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Speaker 2: And now Vrabel said he was interested this week in

831
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Speaker 2: the Jets as long as he liked the general manager.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to ask Skew straight out, because I

833
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: don't think the Dolphins are really that much of a story.

834
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Speaker 2: I think the Jets, like the Bears, are dysfunctional, but

835
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: there's some really good players on both teams. Where do

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Speaker 2: the Jets go for a coach? Because they'll have the

837
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Speaker 2: seventh pick, they'll be able to address one of their

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a pretty good team. They

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Speaker 2: I think they need to get a young you know,

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00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: they have one tackle in from Penn State, right, they

841
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: need another one. Jets. Your thought on coach and quarterback

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00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: going forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been saying this for a while. I think

844
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Speaker 1: the next head coach of the Jets is going to

845
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: be Rex Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong.

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Speaker 1: He's been politicing for the job. You know, Mike Tannebaum

848
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Speaker 1: I've known for a while is now running the search.

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Speaker 1: He was Rex Ryan's general manager when they had some

850
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: success of Phil Savage, who I think you know as

851
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: well as their current interim GM work with Rex in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Rex has been going on every single news out like

853
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: he wants this job, and from all him and Woody

854
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: did not have a bad relationship. When he got fired.

855
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: It was remember they hired Itzick and it was one

856
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: of those he let his GM make a decision. But

857
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: like the most success the Jets have had in my

858
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: adult life I'm forty was by four with this guy.

859
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: This franchise. It sucked. They had a little moment with

860
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: herm Edwards I remember in the early two thousands. But

861
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: what was that, like one and done in the playoffs? Yeah,

862
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: like Rexl was beating Belichick in the playoffs. Yeah, I

863
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: just think he gives them a little can handle. The

864
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: media gives them a presence, like obviously I would be

865
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: interested in Rabel as well. That would make a lot

866
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: of sense. But this is where it gets difficult with

867
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: a guy like Rabel because he just had a situation

868
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: when they fired John Robinson and brought in the new GM.

869
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: It got weird for him fast. And these guys aren't comfortable,

870
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: is why. And I know you talked about Kyle Shanahan

871
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: getting traded to the Bears. Kyle Shanahan would do a

872
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: swan dive off the Golden Gate Bridge before he answered

873
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: to Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren. You know why because

874
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: when the forty nine ers hired Kyle Shanahan, it was very,

875
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: very difficult for them to find a match. They were

876
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: interviewing a bunch of number twos and He's like, I

877
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: don't really want to work with it. I don't know

878
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: this guy. How about my guy, John Lynch. That's what

879
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: John Lynch became the GM. These guys they're not addicted

880
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: to power. They just want to be comfortable with the guy.

881
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: They spend more time within their wife. It's a weird

882
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: That's where it's like, well, Phil Savage's already their interim.

883
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: He knows Rex really well. You can already see it coming,

884
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: and it's kind of an easy move for the Jets.

885
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: A lot of these teams don't fire coaches because I

886
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: don't think their coach or their owner wants to go

887
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: on a search all these guys. They don't really know.

888
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: Once you hire enough coaches, you know, it doesn't Ben Johnson,

889
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: you could have the greatest offense since Bill Walsh, that

890
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: doesn't translate into them becoming a head coach. When the

891
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Eagles hired Andy Reid in nineteen ninety eight or nine

892
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: or whatever the reason they did it, he wasn't even

893
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: technically the coordinator with Green Bay. They had done a

894
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: long study that being a coordinator does not directly tie

895
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: to just guarantee success. Right. That's why sometimes special teams

896
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: coaches have got more opportunities over the years because there

897
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: is we're dealing with human beings here. It's why the

898
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: draft stats and where you can none of it means.

899
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen begged for scholarship offers from Fresno Satan San

900
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: Diego State. They wouldn't call him back. This is all

901
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: like hit and miss left and right, you never know,

902
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: And same thing with a head coach, Like it's a

903
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: lot when Ben Johnson, when Jamison Williams gets suspended or

904
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: gets pulled over because they got three glock nines in

905
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: the coach, it's not his problem. That's Dan and the

906
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: GM deal with that. You just keep on scheming, buddy.

907
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: When you're the head coach that comes to your desk immediately,

908
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: Hey we need a decision. What are we doing? And

909
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: that's where to me. You get guys the Jets and

910
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: the Bears, both those two teams have to hire a

911
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: guy who's been a head coach before. They have to

912
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: because there's those markets. The pressure. Uh, the Aaron Rodgers

913
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: decision is not easy if he just doesn't retire, like

914
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: he's under contract, he has no trade value, right right,

915
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: So it's like you know, if you Rex are Rabel,

916
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: I could see them just handling him for a year, yeah, right,

917
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: because like it's yeah, it's it'd probably be somewhat easy

918
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: and also unload the contract. He might have a draft

919
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: pick high enough to get a guy you want.

920
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: He'd also have power maybe the first year of a

921
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: four year deal. Woudy Johnson likes him. Sola was somewhat

922
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: powerless because Aaron came in. Aaron's the star, Aaron's got

923
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: the ring, and Sala had a losing record. So I

924
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: think that's I think Rex Ryan would come in. He'd

925
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: handle him for a year. I think I think Rayble

926
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: to the Bears and Rex Ryan to the Jets. I

927
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: said this three weeks ago in my show. It makes sense.

928
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: I would.

929
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: I would have no problem hiring Rex Ryan. I think

930
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: for these tire fires, you need a culture changer. I mean,

931
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: we just sought in our election. You know, you don't

932
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: have to be politically correct. You can offend some people,

933
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: but if you're viewed as somebody who can change, you

934
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: know a orchestrate change. You don't care about the criticism.

935
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 2: You're big, bigger than life. You got that Captain America

936
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: shield up front. It doesn't bother you. Rex Ryan's got

937
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 2: fixed in. He can be joyful and playful and funny

938
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: when you're ripping him. I think it works.

939
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think it's gonna be the move. Yeah,

940
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: I really do. And you know I think this is Listen,

941
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: we can nitpick the bills and they are judged against

942
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Ravens, but I feel pretty confident

943
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep dominating this division for the foreseeable future.

944
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: All Right, let's talk college football. The twelve team playoff

945
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: has come out, Listen, Let's get the one thing out

946
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: of the way. I think Bama's better than SMU, but

947
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: BAMA doesn't have an argument. I watched them get completely

948
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: shelled against a Oklahoma team that was two and six

949
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: in conference with like a minus seventy nine point differential

950
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: in conference. Oklahoma was a bad team and they got

951
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean literally an overrun by them. So I don't

952
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: have any problem again that regular season has to mean something. Yes,

953
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: Bama's beaten more good teams. If Bama got in I

954
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't lose any sleep if SMU did not. But I

955
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: felt the same way both ways. I would have taken

956
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: probably Abama, but SMU, after a really hard fought loss,

957
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: kind of felt like the move. And I also think, listen,

958
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: Bama's not consistent enough to be a national champion. SMU

959
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: is not going to be a national champion. SMU may

960
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: be a better story, it's better for the sport big picture.

961
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody on the heels of Alabama's you know,

962
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: fifteen year dynasty is losing sleep because they don't get in.

963
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but if I was part of the SEC,

964
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: here's what I would say. College football, I mean, based

965
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: on the numbers, has never been more popular. Yeah, like

966
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: more people consistently have never watched more and the SEC

967
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: ratings have been insane. So we are carrying the popularity

968
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: of this sport as a conference and have carried the

969
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: sport really for a long time now. And we only

970
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: get three teams in. That's where you can just see them,

971
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: even if it is justified as it is in this situation,

972
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: all these teams all miss lost a Casey Tucky. If

973
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: any of these SEC teams is ten and two, they

974
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: are easily in over SMU. We all agree, h but

975
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: like we want guarantees. And this is where I think

976
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: college football is gonna go. If, like, if I'm the

977
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: Big ten who like the SEC is carrying college football

978
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: with the ratings, the ACC is simply not, like I

979
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: want to know, because getting into the playoffs is very

980
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: financial viable for the conference, right right. That's the same

981
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: thing with the NCAA tournament and now we only get

982
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: we only get one difference, like the difference of us

983
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: in the SEC and the ACC is one team. That

984
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: seems crazy, ye like I watch an unhealthy amount of

985
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: college football. The gap between the change is Grand Canyon wide.

986
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: So even if you could justify it records and everything,

987
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: that's a big picture problem for me. If I'm Greg

988
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: saying I got it, we need some assurances. And this

989
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: is where like the NFL, you know what, do tiebreakers

990
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: go conference record? It's impossible to do tiebreakers and everything

991
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: in college football because the SEC goes my eight and four?

992
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: What is that worth? In the in the ACC? Am

993
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: I ten and two in the ACC like by big twelve.

994
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: Arizona State's an incredible story. What would their record be

995
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: if I put them playing LSU, Bama, Ole, Miss, Yeah, Arkansas.

996
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: You know. So it's it's not Apple's d apples, right,

997
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: And that's the hard part. I think we all agree

998
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: on that, even if we go yeah, SMU deserves it,

999
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: but it's like it's a little out of whack. Now

1000
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: it's first year. I'm not going to complain that much.

1001
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't feel that bad. And I think the committee

1002
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: wanted Alabama because I do think Alabama. The needle moves

1003
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: a little more when you got Alabama playing, because who's

1004
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: SMU is playing Penn State? Alabama. Penn State is just

1005
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: a better television product, isn't it.

1006
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's the one that really cracked me up.

1007
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: So the regular season. The committee said, the regular season matters.

1008
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: We're not going to give Bama three losses, two of

1009
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: which are Mulligan's Vandy and Oklahoma. But yet in Oregon

1010
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: has the most impressive regular season and arguably the most

1011
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: impressed of championship game performance. Georgie is up there as well.

1012
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: They get the winner of the Tennessee Ohio State game,

1013
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: which is a team capable of winning the national championship,

1014
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: then they could face Texas than Georgia. How did Penn

1015
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: State get an easier route? They lost at home to

1016
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: Ohio State and got hammered by Oregon. I think they

1017
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: have now they play another game. I think they have

1018
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: a much easier route than Oregon. I thought Oregon kind

1019
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: of got hosed.

1020
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, them copying the basketball bracket where you're

1021
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: forced to play team instead of the NFL bracket where

1022
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: you receed by the round. Yeah to me, you gotta

1023
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: change football Wise receips round. Yes, because Oregon has the

1024
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: only undefeated team. Clearly, if he just watched the best

1025
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: and the second best conference and they get stuck with

1026
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: Ohio State Tennessee, that seems pretty outrageous. I thought so

1027
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: because if they could pick the opponents, I think there's

1028
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: a decent chance that Ohio State would be the last

1029
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: opponent they would want to play. Yeah, maybe Notre Dame.

1030
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: Second Tennessee would be high up there too, Like the

1031
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: SMU's the Clemsons, you gotta receive. Now, this is where

1032
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna freak out year one name. You gotta

1033
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: figure it out. But you cannot keep this. How can

1034
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: Boise and ASU potentially get easier opponents than Oregon?

1035
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Penn State.

1036
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: Now, I think they would say Oregon's gonna play the

1037
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl, like that's where their game's gonna be. I think,

1038
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: in the like their home game, so that you know

1039
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of regionality. But playing Ohio State potentially, that's

1040
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: that's pretty different.

1041
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: And Ohio State will fill half that stadium. I mean,

1042
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: Penn State gets SMU and Boise State, I mean potentially,

1043
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: it's like Jesus, they the biggest game of the year.

1044
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: At home, they lost to Ohio State, and I mean

1045
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: they they they got pushed around me. They they could

1046
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: not stop Oregon. I just thought Penn State, and I

1047
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 2: understand punishing. If you flip Penn State in Ohio State

1048
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: in the playoff, I'd be I think it's it's more

1049
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: fair now Ohio State. Again. The Michigan loss was not

1050
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: only bad, not only at home, but it made you

1051
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: question the entire program. Like when when Penn State lost

1052
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 2: to Ohio State, you didn't question the program. You're like, well,

1053
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: Ohio State's better that that Michigan. I mean, listen, if

1054
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 2: you want to ask yourself who who's getting punished, it's

1055
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I think Tennessee is the sleeper national championship

1056
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: picking this thing.

1057
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: I was. I thought Herbstreet had a good point during

1058
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: the show when they released the bracket of you know,

1059
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: Ohio State, maybe would rather go on the road because

1060
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: a couple early three and outs, maybe you're down seven

1061
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: to nothing, ten nothing, that place will turn on your

1062
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: fast because that group's edgy, that group's already pissed off. Yeah,

1063
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: like in a weird way at ten and two. Hosting

1064
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: a playoff game is a major disappointment. Yeah, you know,

1065
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: watching that game last night, I thought it was so

1066
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: insane that Clemson is now in the playoffs and Miami's

1067
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: just long gone, even though all season Miami it was

1068
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: like a top five or six team. And then Penn State.

1069
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: By takeaway with Penn State, Oregon's tough, and that's their

1070
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: skill group is better top to bottom. I think Penn

1071
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: State has their front seven full NFL guys. Yes, best

1072
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: tight end in the country. They have a one to

1073
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: two running back combination. Quarterback a little all over the map,

1074
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: but he is extremely talented. And you saw a couple

1075
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: of passes, yeh, whoa, that's a top ten pick. And

1076
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: then you saw a couple other passes, You're like, that's

1077
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: a sixth rounder. But you never really know what you're

1078
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: gonna get with them. But they have a lot of

1079
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: talent on their team. Like to me, if the quarterback

1080
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: has a B plus a minus game, they could play

1081
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: with most anyone in this in this tournament. I'm with

1082
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: you on Tennessee. Their defensive line is really good. Yes,

1083
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: And what's Ohio State's problem right now, Well, if they're offensive,

1084
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: they's had a guy Terry Achilles. They missing that could

1085
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: be a rough I'm telling you that place could start boosting.

1086
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: It's like ten to nothing in the second quarter.

1087
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: The weather forecast for this weekend in Columbus is forty degrees.

1088
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: And what it's not playing to a finesse down field team.

1089
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 2: So Will Howard, who's been hot and cold in big games.

1090
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: It's forty degrees. The pressure's on. You'll be favored and

1091
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 2: Tennessee d line and Ohio State online. If you're forced

1092
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 2: to run the ball against Tennessee that's got a seventeen

1093
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: thirteen field to it, that's not gonna be a high

1094
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 2: scoring game, in my opinion.

1095
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: One thing that's gonna be. You know, for the most part,

1096
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: in college you get a couple and you hammered this

1097
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: home when they went. When the West Coast team's got

1098
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: in the big ten, there aren't as many cold weather

1099
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: games as you think. In the NFL there are. Why

1100
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: they play all through December through January. Yeah, college football

1101
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: usually ends home games the last week in November and

1102
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: then they go to warm weather bowls.

1103
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: That's right.

1104
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: So's that's where this changed, because they don't. They're they're

1105
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: playing in two weeks, right, and it's Friday night Saturday

1106
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: night at South Bend and at Ohio State, which makes sense.

1107
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: I mean, two of the biggest brands. It's gonna get

1108
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: huge ratings. Plus the NFL plays Saturday, so it gets

1109
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: a little loss in the show Uffel. You know, like Texas,

1110
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: the Texas game and the Penn State game are going

1111
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: up against like Raven Steelers, so you know, but those

1112
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: two night games are gonna be by themselves. It could

1113
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: be really cold, yep. I mean it's so it's gonna

1114
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: have one thing with playoff football, even with the best teams,

1115
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: it's usually not thirty five to thirty scores, right, It's

1116
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: usually lower scoring. You can't you can't feel your hands.

1117
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have a game in two weeks

1118
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 1: at Ohio State with it. Couldn't it be twenty seven

1119
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: degrees or Notre Dame. It could be freezing cold.

1120
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,520
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Speaker 2: Amazon Prime for details. Let's talk Clemson at Texas. I

1129
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: really like Texas in that spot, but I'm watching that

1130
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: game against Georgia. Georgia gets their quarterback knocked out and

1131
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: suddenly forced to run. In the second half. They found

1132
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: their run game there was when they went to overtime

1133
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: and the Texas series they do. They throw the ball

1134
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: out of the end zone, then they do a fade

1135
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: pattern and then they throw it out in the flat

1136
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: against you know, Georgia's linebackers and corners or NFL guy.

1137
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Georgia's got a first round safety, a first

1138
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: round corner for first round defensive end. It's like, you're

1139
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: not going to beat in the flat. You're not going

1140
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: to be Georgia. For the last eight years, I thought

1141
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: for an offensive coach, sark I hated the overtime Texas

1142
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: play calling. I thought it was awful.

1143
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: Listen, I've been one of his biggest critics. I will

1144
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: defend him. I don't think he trusts his quarterback at all,

1145
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: and I don't blame him because I don't think he's

1146
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: very good. And early on in that game, when actually

1147
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing that bad and Georgia was a little

1148
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: show shocked. Instead of being up seventeen to three, it's

1149
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: six to three. Ye. And then as the game went on,

1150
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: I thought, Yours became much more to who he's kind

1151
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: of become this season. Is very very averaged. Yes, and

1152
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: he's just not an explosive player. He's not a good playmaker.

1153
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: Is a former scout, You're nailing it when I watch him.

1154
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: He's not an explosive player.

1155
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: No, he's just he's not a playmaker. Like you watched

1156
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: one thing Bryce Young his comeback story. He's starting to

1157
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: make play. Yes, right, most decent quarterbacks can make throw

1158
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: a slant route or an out route from the pocket.

1159
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: But half the plays you're gonna have to scramble, you're

1160
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to move, you're gonna have to throw in

1161
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: the run, you might have to break a tackle. And

1162
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: you watch Quinn Yours. He cannot do any of that.

1163
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: So as the game goes on, what does George do

1164
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: that I start getting pressure on him, he starts getting sacked,

1165
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: He's not a very dynamic guy. Carson Beck like one thing.

1166
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: When the other guy, Gunner Stockton, what an incredible name,

1167
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: by the way, comes in, he is so mobile that

1168
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: he can just keep plays alive. They don't have that.

1169
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: Texas does have that with Archie Manning. Now. I don't

1170
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: know if Sark believes he's as good of a passer

1171
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: right now as Quinn yours. Clearly by not playing him,

1172
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: you've already paid Quinn the nil. But I think they

1173
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: have no shot to win the National championship with him

1174
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: at quarterback. You remove him if every team just has

1175
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: the same quarterback, like whatever, every if you put all

1176
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: twelve teams equal quarterback, Texas has as good of a

1177
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: chance to win the National Championship as anybody. You watch

1178
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: Oregon last night, that little quarterback look like Tua did

1179
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: at Alabama. I mean, some of the throws he was making.

1180
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: It's like this guy is playing quarterback in college better

1181
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: than all these guys.

1182
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think, And that's.

1183
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: A huge advantage. Obviously, Oregon has really good skill guy,

1184
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: yea better than Georgia. You watch Bowers he's making. They

1185
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: missed Bowers of mcaukey, but still Dylan Gabriel right now

1186
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: is playing the best at quarterback for all these teams,

1187
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: even though Georgia Texas, you know, like they have a

1188
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: bunch of talent, but their quarterback plays shitty.

1189
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's really interesting. When I watched Georgia, they

1190
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: have an incredible defensive lineman McHale Williams. They have a

1191
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: great safety. When I watched Georgia, I mean they're running

1192
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: backs last night. They're bringing in second, third, fourth, they

1193
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: are running that second half. It was violent. They are

1194
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: running over guys.

1195
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: You know.

1196
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 2: With Texas, I know they have a bunch of good players,

1197
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: and Kelvin Banks, who got hurt, is a really really

1198
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: good tackle. But it's funny. When I watched Michigan win

1199
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: the Natty last year, they had Will Johnson at corner,

1200
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: Mason Graham, Blake Korhum, jj McCarthy. They had about six

1201
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: players that even in a game against Ohio State, You're like, wow,

1202
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 2: those are great players. Georgia's national championship teams, it can

1203
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: be picking Rock Bowers, Lad McConkey. It can be one

1204
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: of you know, Jalen Carter.

1205
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter.

1206
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Bama. Ohio State has four or five guys

1207
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: like that. Many at receiver, the Caleb Downs for Ohio State,

1208
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: the kid they got from Bama. He'll be the number

1209
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: one pick next year. He's an insane generational talent. When

1210
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: I watched Texas, this is weird, John. They got a

1211
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: bunch of good players. But I watched that offense and

1212
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, they have good backs, they have good receivers.

1213
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of wow. And I know

1214
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: it's a really good roster. But if you look at

1215
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: National championship teams Michigan last year, Georgia teams, you know,

1216
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: when Clemson was winning, you'd have like a Mike Williams,

1217
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 2: You'd have a Trevor Lawrence. You'd have a linebacker that

1218
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, that's different. Even in the game

1219
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: against Bama, that player's different. ATM the running back for Clemson.

1220
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I look at Texas and I know

1221
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: this sounds crazy because their recruiting has been great, but

1222
01:01:55,240 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: I just don't see enough wow. I see very good everywhere.

1223
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 2: But they couldn't score against Texas A and M. They

1224
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: can't move the ball against Georgia in the first set.

1225
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: That's with Sark and an NFL quarterback and the best

1226
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: left tackle in the sport.

1227
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should be able to run the ball better.

1228
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: Number twenty six, I mean he should average like one

1229
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: hundred yards a game. I mean that's one element. I

1230
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: mean I think sometimes the depth this gets back to

1231
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: these top teams are not ten deep, Like they don't

1232
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: go you know, back to back with their backup offensive line.

1233
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: Are not future pros. And that's where I think when

1234
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: you look at these former teams, Clemson in their heyday

1235
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: and the late teams beating Alabama, they were going too

1236
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: deep with pros getting drafted. Yes, Sabans team forever, the

1237
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: last of Kirby, Like this version of Kirby's teams relative

1238
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: to the back that don't even have anything in common, right,

1239
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: I think Michigan's team last year would easily win the

1240
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: National Championship again.

1241
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: Easily, even Washington last year that lost in the Natty.

1242
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: I mean you were looking at Roma Dunze, Michael Pennix,

1243
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: their receiving corps up and down, their receiver, they had

1244
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: a they had a right tackle and an interior offensive lineman.

1245
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: You were like, you could just tell this is like

1246
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: eight really good players.

1247
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: Team was real, and I think is that a little bit. Why,

1248
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, at first I thought Belichick was just interviewing

1249
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: with North Carolina to just you know, it's like the

1250
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: guy who's trying to impress the girl and brings a

1251
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: girl another girl of the party to get people to

1252
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: notice them. You just want to show NFL teams like hey,

1253
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking to people. And then you start reading like

1254
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: what if he realizes it actually might be a little

1255
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: easier in college because the parody is there. Yeah, and

1256
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm not a huge disadvantage most of

1257
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: the time. And you watch in college football, like, like

1258
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: you said, Tennessee is a good value, you could say

1259
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. If the quarterback just said all these teams,

1260
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: would it shock you? Like inferior Oregon is the best team.

1261
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: But then you look at the bracket. How hard it's

1262
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna be? Like I don't take Boise and ASU seriously.

1263
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: I expect both of them to get knocked out. But

1264
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: I would say, of all the the SEC and the

1265
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: big tent like Indiana, there'll be one and done. But

1266
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Georgia could win any game, could

1267
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: lose anything.

1268
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: Same.

1269
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: Texas could easily be Like I could see them look

1270
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: like shit, Yeah, who knows. I mean, I think it's

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: all on the table, which makes this tournament pretty intriguing.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the transfer portal in the NIL spreading out makes

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01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: the twelve team brack even that much more intriguing because

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01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: back in the day, you put a Pete Carroll USC

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01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: a Nick Saban their heyday, they would kick the shit

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01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,959
Speaker 1: out all these teams. Yeah, wouldn't even be fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's the benefit of the transfer portal

1278
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: is that nobody has depth, even the top teams. Just

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01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: you lose a left tackle at Ohio State, then you

1280
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 2: move a guard to left tackle. Then your interior alignment

1281
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: gets hurt, you get weak, you get you have a

1282
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: unit that has a liability very quickly in college football.

1283
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: Now do you think I haven't heard your take on

1284
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: the Belichick North Carolina. Well, do you think that's more

1285
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: just trying to prove or do you think there's some

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: real substance behind that.

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Speaker 2: I think he wants to get his son the job.

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01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: His son's at Washington. I think he wants to get

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01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: his son a head coaching job. And I think Bill

1290
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: is so big on the East Coast. People out west

1291
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: don't care, but people out East do I don't think

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01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 2: he would have to have an incredibly young collegiate staff,

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01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: which I'm not sure he has the patience for. I

1294
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: just don't know if he has the patience. You know,

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01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 2: Bill was always the grinder. It was always sacrificed for

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01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: the team. Shit, kids aren't sacrificing now, they'll bounce in

1297
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Speaker 2: a second. Now do I think schematically I mean, Charlie

1298
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: Weiss was schematically excellent. He just couldn't recruit. He just

1299
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: didn't want to get out there. Bill's not gonna you know,

1300
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 2: Bill will do some private jet stuff, but Bill's not

1301
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: going to be on the road. He views himself as

1302
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: he should, as a different level. I don't Andy Reid

1303
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: again as a funnier guy, a more social guy. I

1304
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: don't think he'd want to be on the road recruiting.

1305
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: Did you see Albert Berr's report about how many homes

1306
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders has been in the last eighteen months? Huh? Zero?

1307
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: Because in this day and age, they used to have rules,

1308
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: Like when I worked at Fresno State, only like six

1309
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: or seven of your guys were eligible to go recruit

1310
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: and go into someone's home. Now there are no rules.

1311
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: Anyone you could hire or recruiting staff, you know, former

1312
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: players that just go recruit you. You don't have to

1313
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: go into homes anymore. And it makes sense like when

1314
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: I saw they technically had like an early recruiting signing

1315
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: day a couple of days ago, right, and some of

1316
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: these kids were saying, like, you know this guy just

1317
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: recruited me. No, you got paid the most money. It's

1318
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: the game has completely changed. And maybe Bill who views

1319
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: it much more from a strategic business mindset of like, hey,

1320
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: if you give me ten plus million in nil funds,

1321
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: I feel I have a pretty good idea. I can

1322
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: bring a couple of my guys from the NFL to

1323
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: figure out how to allocate this pie. I'll pick the players.

1324
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: And maybe he've used it much more because it is

1325
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: it has much more of an NFL feel now. The

1326
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 1: difference is like when I sign you to a three

1327
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: year deal, you're under contract, right. You know in college,

1328
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: these guys, as someone texts me around college, he's like,

1329
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: if you've noticed some of these random teams and I didn't.

1330
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: Did a kid just won't play the last couple of weeks,

1331
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: you know on a team that's like going to be

1332
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: six and six they'll just be sick. Yeah, well they're transferring. Yeah,

1333
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: they'll just go to the coach on Wednesday or Thursday

1334
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: of like week eleven when the team's not going anywhere,

1335
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: and like, coach, I just don't feel great. I'm out.

1336
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: And that's happening all over the place. Yeah before, I mean,

1337
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: that guy would just keep playing. I said this before

1338
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 1: about like Kyle McCord transferring in the history of the sport,

1339
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: Kyle McCord just would have been Ohio State's quarterback again.

1340
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: And what if he just would have taken the next

1341
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: step and all of a sudden, Ohio State was twelve

1342
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: and zero in the number one seed. But instead they

1343
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: kick him out. Everyone's so quick to move. We're in

1344
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: the NFL. Sometimes you just have to keep a guy

1345
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: because you drafted him high and he get he improves. Yeah,

1346
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: and now in college, you know, coaches and players are

1347
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: just so quick to like point the finger at the

1348
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: other guy and bounce or basically cut him. And it

1349
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: reflects when you watch these teams, because listen, the games

1350
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: are still fun, but you can feel that these teams

1351
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: aren't as good, the high end teams as they Oh no, no,

1352
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean I don't even think like, is this the

1353
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: best Oregon team in the last fifteen years.

1354
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1355
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1356
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 3: No.

1357
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing is players in college are

1358
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: leaving now, and it's not that they're not productive. USC

1359
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: just lost to kids. Sam Green he was playing a

1360
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: ton I think he was a red and shirt freshman

1361
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: or a freshman. He was playing a ton somebody offered

1362
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: him more money. Bottom line, somebody played USC and went,

1363
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, it could be a Penn State the kids

1364
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: from that part of the country. So kids aren't even

1365
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 2: disgruntled they're leaving. You're getting cherry picked. Penn State could go, hey,

1366
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 2: we're losing, like all of our we're losing four really

1367
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: good guys up front. That's Sam Green kid, we lost

1368
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 2: out to USC. Let's just go buy him. So a

1369
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: guy doesn't even have to be disgruntled. It's it's can

1370
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: you imagine in the NFL if you didn't have contracts

1371
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: and you're like, let's just make a bid on you know,

1372
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 2: a great left tackle.

1373
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 1: You know one thing I was talking to a buddy

1374
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: that said that the top end of this draft is

1375
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: not very good. It's not And I said, isn't that

1376
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: a back to back a couple of years now where

1377
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't feel loaded with guys. Are we concerned, like,

1378
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: do we have any theories? And I started thinking, I

1379
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: wonder if guys now bouncing left and right, you don't

1380
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: develop as you used to just being in a program

1381
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: for three or four years, consistent practice, consistent training. Well,

1382
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: now guys are just mercenaries on the move.

1383
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 2: The other thing is more guys are playing baseball. Moms

1384
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: don't want their kids to play football. Now, it doesn't

1385
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: matter in the South or Texas or maybe Pennsylvania, but

1386
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 2: there is lower high school football turnout and a lot

1387
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 2: of these great athletes are looking at these baseball contracts

1388
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: and going, you guys get ten year baseball contracts. So

1389
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: I think it's the mom. You know, moms are like, hey,

1390
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: I don't want my son playing football. And I'm not

1391
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: picking on moms that that's just been discussed, right, Like

1392
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: that's been.

1393
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: What is the O line D line doing that? You know,

1394
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: are six foot six, three hundred pound guys playing baseball? Well,

1395
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: I still think they just don't exist. I still think

1396
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good football players. And again, for sure,

1397
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: I think high school football turnout has decreased. And by

1398
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: the way, the NFL smartly ten years ago I talked

1399
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: about this on my show Targeted Moms and their Ants.

1400
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: About ten years ago, the NFL was around that CTE stuff.

1401
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: Those remember when that was getting the big payoffs for

1402
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: the NFL pivoted and said, hey, we have to make

1403
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: sure that both parents are into football. And by the

1404
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: way it has worked, it is remarkable the number of

1405
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: women who love football. It's half the league's fans. It's

1406
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: like fifty to fifty last time I looked. So this

1407
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: has been a point, a real distinction. The NFL has

1408
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 1: tried to own the household, you know, not just dad

1409
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: and dad loves Nope, that's not what it is anymore.

1410
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 2: They want everybody. And I think that's part of it.

1411
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: And the other thing is to your point, I think

1412
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: players aren't as developed. I think, listen, it's like anything else.

1413
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 2: If you're bouncing around for money and not management, you're

1414
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 2: you're never going to be quite as good. I don't

1415
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: care if it's an AI or tech or football. If

1416
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: you if you had four bosses in six years, I

1417
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: mean one of the real look at you at our company.

1418
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: You just keep developing, getting bigger and bigger. Part of

1419
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 2: it is the salespeople know John. It takes a year

1420
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 2: or two for the salespeople to get a line and

1421
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: we know you and then we can build your YouTube page.

1422
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: Everything takes growth. You know, My first couple of years

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01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio weren't as good as the last four. Everything

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01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: it's it's a hierarchy you have to build. It's a

1425
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 2: staff you have to build. So to your point, when

1426
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: some of these players are bouncing around a lot of times,

1427
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: they get the money and they get a worse coach,

1428
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: they get a worse position coach.

1429
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: It's Brady's point that he hammers non stop, like going

1430
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: through some challenges in college is a healthy thing, Like

1431
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: you learn a lot about yourself and improve because in

1432
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: the NFL it's really hard. Yeah, so it's easy to

1433
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: get in the tank. Look at Bryce Young, who I

1434
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: would have bet against falling off a cliff. He was

1435
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: mentally prepared for the challenges. Why he had spent three

1436
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: years next to Nick Yep, you know, and who knows

1437
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: you know back at you know in this modern day

1438
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Speaker 1: to you know Jalen. I know Jalen transferred at the

1439
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: end to Oklahoma, but he was there for a couple

1440
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: of years essentially as the backup, going back and forth

1441
01:11:58,520 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: that had to benefit all.

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