WEBVTT - Why Not Heinrich? One Man's Immersive Comedy Scandal

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much more absurd, you know, comedy

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<v Speaker 1>can become to to to overlap that of what how

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<v Speaker 1>absurd reality has become. Welcome back to Ozzy Confidential. I

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<v Speaker 1>am your host, Eugene S. Robinson as the next version.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of an interesting one. In the age of

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<v Speaker 1>snow flakes and the culture of outrage and nervous Nellie's

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<v Speaker 1>and stuttering muttering approaches to campus comedy, people dancing tento

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<v Speaker 1>hooks and walking on eggshells. We're gonna meet a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named high and Wreck who would like you to think

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<v Speaker 1>what he does is funny, but fundamentally doesn't give a

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<v Speaker 1>funk whether you do or not listen. Where the confessional

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<v Speaker 1>professional EUGENEUS Robertson, that's me. Here. We are in the

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<v Speaker 1>tender Loin in San Francisco, walking up to a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Heinrich. Now, just those of you who are listening

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<v Speaker 1>and not watching this like we are. Heinrich is dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in full SS officer gear, swastika regalia, the whole bit

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the tender Loin, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>New York City ninety eight. So this has gotta be

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be epic and if there's a story there's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be told. I imagine he might be the one

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<v Speaker 1>to tell it. Heinrich. First off, I don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>money to give to your black lives amount of movement Creek.

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<v Speaker 1>Heinrich came to San Francisco from from where do you hail?

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<v Speaker 1>They're originally I'm from Munich, but I was living in

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<v Speaker 1>ze Berlin for the last ten years or so. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's been kind of rough going for you

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<v Speaker 1>in in San Francisco. I think you said that you

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<v Speaker 1>went to uh Halloween gathering. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh there's many supporters to the Fourth Strike, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was very surprised, you know a lot of people. They

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<v Speaker 1>seemed very happy to have me there. And uh they're

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<v Speaker 1>the very attractive women there buying me the drinks. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not used to this. It's usually the young Arian boys.

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<v Speaker 1>But also there's very many people giving me the difficulty.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I read something online that you had some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of problem, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is true. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I was going through the restroom to uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do the business as the man does. Uh. There was

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<v Speaker 1>the boy he looked to me like the Arian boys.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is why it's the most surprising. Owned. He

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<v Speaker 1>says to me, how dare you do this? How dare

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<v Speaker 1>you come here looking like you do? I said, what,

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<v Speaker 1>looking so perfect and beautiful? He said no, my my cousin's, uncle's, cousins, brothers, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>grandmother knew. Somebody's asked with an Auschwitz, how dares you

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<v Speaker 1>come here looking like this? And I said, look, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't find any problems. Just let me do my business.

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<v Speaker 1>But he would not leave me alone. I was at

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<v Speaker 1>the urinal trying to do my business and he would

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<v Speaker 1>keep talking to my back. Finally I gave himself owning.

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<v Speaker 1>If you keep bothering my way I'm doing my business,

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<v Speaker 1>I will have to assort you in a very physical vey.

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<v Speaker 1>He would not stop, so I was forced to do

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<v Speaker 1>what I had to do. So I threw the eirbow

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<v Speaker 1>into his chin and then even to sleep like the

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<v Speaker 1>little girl. Yeah where I'm thinking, what if somebody comes

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<v Speaker 1>in right now and they sees me? Heinrich is a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect arian over the body of the of the dead

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<v Speaker 1>little boy. Yeah, so I grabbed him by the boy.

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<v Speaker 1>How old was he? I don't own maybe twenties? Who

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<v Speaker 1>so I grabbed him by Swans whom I grabbed him

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<v Speaker 1>unto the stoll. The problem is, even after I closed

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<v Speaker 1>the door, you could still see his little weak legs.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a very small quad reception, no have muscles

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<v Speaker 1>whatsoever on. So at that point I said that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to leave wounds. Let's let's authorities figure outs the rest. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So now now we've gotten in off the street. We're

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<v Speaker 1>in uh Heinrichs Mountain Redoubt. Let's call it that. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I want to call it uh cos Heinrich. Thanks, right,

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<v Speaker 1>House Heinrich. Okay, alright, alright, house House Heinrich. Here we

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<v Speaker 1>are at House Heinrich. And why don't you you know?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Eugene fucking cut this ship, dude, Seriously, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing this, as you're well aware of, for almost

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<v Speaker 1>twelve years. Now you come up here to my apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to keep making a joke about this. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to interview me a what? Alright? So the line

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<v Speaker 1>between acting like something and being something, maybe like acting

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and being crazy starts to get blurry if you

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<v Speaker 1>do either too long. I guess Damien north Bosh well out.

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<v Speaker 1>He might have discovered the truth to that. I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing this. I have the uniforms, I have the scripts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making infomercials. I've lost friends, I've I've alienated acquaintances.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you, I mean you've been You've gotten into people

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<v Speaker 1>have attacked you on the streets. But you, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what what what's the endgame look like? Have you at

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<v Speaker 1>some point though, what's the payoff for you? Have you

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<v Speaker 1>been able to pitch this to people or what's uh well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, first off, this hasn't been twelve years, you know, continuous.

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<v Speaker 1>I am you know, I'm embarrassed to admit that though

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<v Speaker 1>I had the most sincere ambitions with the Heinrich project

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. Um, I did abandon it, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know I did make a very conscious decision to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it back about a year ago with Trump coming into

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<v Speaker 1>office and everything else associated with him. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>no endgame. Is there an endgame to comedy? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>an endgame to any any you know artistic Uh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you sell it, well that'd be nice. I was

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<v Speaker 1>born in nineteen eighty in the San Fernando Valley of

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, which at that time was you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>more prestigious area of you know, of l A. My father, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he's Iranian. He left Iran at the age of sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>which was kind of unheard of at that time. That was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pre revolution, that was still during the Shah's time.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been though. I'm unfortunately and I'm sorry to

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<v Speaker 1>admit this, I'm scared to go. He left at the

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<v Speaker 1>time that that people just didn't leave, and he did it,

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<v Speaker 1>as he told me, because he just didn't feel comfortable there.

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<v Speaker 1>He left before the revolution. He left before the revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>First he went to England. Uh. Then he went to Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>He met my mom, who is an American, Um, a

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<v Speaker 1>Midwestern American who was on vacation. She's white, she's white. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They got married and then they they came to the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I can assume that was my dad's ultimate goal,

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<v Speaker 1>which was to come to the US. So did you

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<v Speaker 1>grow up with extended family from Iran? Uh? Yes and no. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my dad in the eighties brought over a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of his relatives, but we were never that close.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though they lived in the in l A. M.

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<v Speaker 1>We were never that close. Uh. My dad purposely didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to teach me farcie just because he wanted me

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<v Speaker 1>to be the all American you know. My dad had too,

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<v Speaker 1>uh kind of high end leather retail stores. It was

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<v Speaker 1>called Leather Conspiracy. One was in the Promenade Mall in

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<v Speaker 1>Woodland Hills. Uh. The other was in Westwood and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Westwood Store, not the Westrood, not their store, but

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<v Speaker 1>all the stores around them. There was a rash of burglaries,

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<v Speaker 1>and my dad said, you know, funk that we're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let anybody rob the store. So both he and

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<v Speaker 1>my mom were in the Westwood store while I was

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<v Speaker 1>in my mom's belly pregnant, to make sure nobody, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>burglarized the place. And that's where my mom started giving

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<v Speaker 1>birth in the Westwood store, and my dad held out

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<v Speaker 1>to the last minute. Are you sure? Are you sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming? Because those motherfucker's they could be anywhere right now. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Damien is not just gallivant about the streets of San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco doing this for the amusement of onlookers and friends.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually has put together several pilots of TV shows,

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<v Speaker 1>most notably ones of which he pitched to Dave Chappelle.

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<v Speaker 1>You're about to hear a clip of Damien as Heinrich

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<v Speaker 1>watching the video of young Arian boys shirtlessly wrestling oil

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<v Speaker 1>and and the dirt of of his pilot. Enter the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth right everything menu. Well, hello, boys, who are you

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for? Yeah? Grab him? Grab him by them? Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>grab his schnitze, y'all, y'all so funny. I love this video. Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>right now we are experiencing uh Nazi recreation, which includes

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<v Speaker 1>mayor to mayor wrestling, which is my personal favorite. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you get all these handsome young Aryan boys are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be the best for your Look what a great

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<v Speaker 1>time this was. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the restroom for little beat y'all got you in his

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<v Speaker 1>sac mel Brooks pulled it off. Bob Crane. Hogan's Heroes

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two is not exactly bereft of comedic potential,

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<v Speaker 1>but if sig Hiler is your punchline, you might find

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<v Speaker 1>it a hard road. The whole you have to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that politically, politically, this has gotta be like probably the

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<v Speaker 1>most uncomfortable form of comedy ever that you're that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point. Tell me, so what what what is

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<v Speaker 1>the point? The whole point is that, look, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter, no matter what the state of affairs is,

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<v Speaker 1>even if things are as honkey dorry as as they

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<v Speaker 1>might seem on the surface. And right now, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the collective opinion is that things are not honkey dorry

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, in this state, in this on this planet.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of a lot of issues going on

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Right everything's cool on the surface. Everything is

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<v Speaker 1>not cool on the surface. You know, there's always gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be issues politically, There's always gonna be issues racially, There's

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<v Speaker 1>always gonna be issues with religion and gender and and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else that people constantly you know, taking opinions. You

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<v Speaker 1>my dad who left Iran in when he was sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, way before the revolution, before Omani all those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>though he never felt comfortable in Iran. Though he never

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<v Speaker 1>you know, had this. Though he was never a Muslim,

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<v Speaker 1>nor was the rest of my family, he still obviously

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<v Speaker 1>had pride for being Persian. So, you know, fast forward

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<v Speaker 1>to the late seventies, early eighties, you know, we have

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranian hostage crisis, etcetera, etcetera. And he told me

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<v Speaker 1>a story that in the early eighties, one day, um,

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<v Speaker 1>two white women walk into the store and uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>know my dad. My dad had lived in Florence before that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was by all accounts, a player and he

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<v Speaker 1>sucked as many women as he possibly could. Hats off,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he said, even by that time, he's married,

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<v Speaker 1>he has a young kid, he's still getting a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, you got a lot of attention at least.

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<v Speaker 1>So these these two white women walking and they say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, you have such an exotic look. Where

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<v Speaker 1>are you from? And he had no issues, even though

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<v Speaker 1>this is post hostage crisis situation. He's not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, Well on Persian, he said, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And these these women said, my god, that's so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because we went to the store right down the street

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<v Speaker 1>and we thought that those two guys that owned that

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<v Speaker 1>store were Persian also, but they said their Egyptian. And

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<v Speaker 1>my dad became so upset because he said, those two

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<v Speaker 1>fucking assholes there are Ranians also, but now they're afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of losing business, so conveniently, all of a sudden, there Egyptians.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, even from a young age, I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in a in a weird circumstance where I

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<v Speaker 1>was white and I was living around whites, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think I felt this. Everyone didn't see me as being white. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And albeit you know, in in the Center Final Valley

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<v Speaker 1>in the early eighties, you had a lot of Jews,

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<v Speaker 1>you had a lot of Persians, you had people you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from all over the place, but the predominant group were Wasps.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was half Wasps and I was half something

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<v Speaker 1>else but close enough that people still recognize me as

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<v Speaker 1>being white. But I wasn't quite wasn't quite there, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was other close enough but not. Um. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my dad, who was very much turned off

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<v Speaker 1>by the l A scene, he wanted the exact opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>and we ended up moving up to Mendicino County, which

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<v Speaker 1>which was, for all intense of purposes, the exact opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me that that was culture shocked. Even though

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<v Speaker 1>everybody everybody spoke English, it was still culture shocked. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was still that that weird kind of phenomena

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<v Speaker 1>going on where people kind of recognize me as being white,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was still always that question what are you?

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<v Speaker 1>And if your hair grows out, is it curly or

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<v Speaker 1>is it straight? Oh it's cruely fucking Persian. Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta shave that ship. Every day of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is this, I don't I don't reap

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<v Speaker 1>the rewards of being white. And I know this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a weird thing to say, and people, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, what does that mean? But think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're white, but you're not white. It's like being it's

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<v Speaker 1>like being a celebrity but not really being famous, not

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<v Speaker 1>being rich. Yeah, it's like me exactly. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's why you and me or friends here you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because it's immersive comedy actually doesn't mean it's funny comedic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a sense listening to Heinrich that you're

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<v Speaker 1>in on an in joke that you're not quite willing

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<v Speaker 1>to be in on the whole point of Heinrich, and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point of Heinrich twelve years ago, and the

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<v Speaker 1>whole point of Heinrich right now is to show that

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<v Speaker 1>the absolute absurdity of taking an extreme stance on things,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the extreme danger of extremes, the absurdity, and

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<v Speaker 1>through the absurdity, also the uncomfortable humor. You know, in extremes.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're twelve years in um, we're in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of the first Trump administration at the very least, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel more or less emboldened to try to

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<v Speaker 1>continue on which what seems to many to be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a exotic thing. I mean, we'll still the underlying

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<v Speaker 1>question about why you think it's funny and why how

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<v Speaker 1>you expect this to work? And that's that's the interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you know, when when I started the Hinwrich project, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, over a decade ago. At that time, that

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like the most extreme thing to do. Uh mind

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<v Speaker 1>you I live in San Francisco. Um. I mean, the whole,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole genesis of this Hirich character came about in

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<v Speaker 1>in the mid two thousand's or early two thousands. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>when when I was living in Japantown, San Francisco, which

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<v Speaker 1>at that time and still is, for all intensive purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>a very kind of residential quiet, you know, peaceful neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>of San Francisco. You have a lot of tourists, you

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, a family, senior citizens. Um. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like the middle of a week, middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, maybe one in the afternoon, I'm walking up

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<v Speaker 1>Post Street and I see, uh to two middle aged

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<v Speaker 1>white guys walking down the street wearing nothing but cock

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<v Speaker 1>rings and uh boots and that's it. And uh, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>gave them a second look. There was there was kids,

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<v Speaker 1>there was families, there were senior citizens. Nobody gave these

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<v Speaker 1>guys walking around naked in the middle of the day

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<v Speaker 1>a second look. And mind you, it wasn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Fulsome Street Week. It wasn't Pride Week. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you have Fulsome and gave Pride Week, you get stragglers

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<v Speaker 1>that will wander off to other neighborhoods and whatnot. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this was none of that. It was just two guys

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<v Speaker 1>that were walking around naked in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>japan town of all places. And that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the impetus this to this whole thing where I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>is there anything that can really shock anybody in San Francisco?

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<v Speaker 1>And I really put a lot of fun into this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything, I mean, aside from the obvious and

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<v Speaker 1>an act of violence or a car wreck or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, is there anything that that can shock somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco? And I kind of joking, I said

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<v Speaker 1>to myself, well, maybe with the exception of a guy

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<v Speaker 1>dressed in full Nazi uniform walking down the street, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's kind of how the whole thing started out.

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<v Speaker 1>So at that time, dressing up like an s S officer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from the forties, walking on the street, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the most absurd, ludicrous, taboo and extreme thing I

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<v Speaker 1>can think of. Now now we're in the era of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Steve Bannon, Richard Spencer, the right Milo, all

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<v Speaker 1>these other guys dressing up like a like a Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco, it doesn't really have the same I

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<v Speaker 1>have to magic that that it did ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, we we walked to get here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I expected that there would be a greater amount

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<v Speaker 1>of notice uh uh that you were dressed like an

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<v Speaker 1>SS officer. Um, but there was very little until we

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<v Speaker 1>passed those German guys and you know, and that's that's unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a bad sign of times where what has

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<v Speaker 1>for the past fifty sixty years at least been known

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<v Speaker 1>as the most extreme thing you can do, which even

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ago was the most extreme thing I could do,

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<v Speaker 1>that no longer has the same It doesn't resonate the

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<v Speaker 1>same way. UM. So you know, to answer your your

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<v Speaker 1>overall question, I don't know, I really don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the endgame to the Heinrich project is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't I don't know how much more

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<v Speaker 1>absurd you know, comedy can become to to to overlap

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<v Speaker 1>that of what how absurd reality has become. So there

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<v Speaker 1>we go Henrich Uh. Coming up next on Ozzy Confidential,

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