Speaker 1: Yet you know, boys, it's back and reoaded all in
Speaker 1: your mind. Yeah, not deep throating. This is for the streets,
Speaker 1: the reel, the railroading, the distant franchise, the truth escapegoating,
Speaker 1: and they ain't knowing we speak the truth, so they
Speaker 1: ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North South East
Speaker 1: coat is the g be my twa keeping your head bobbing.
Speaker 1: It ain't no stopping and wants to be dropped head by.
Speaker 1: And then the system is so corrupt they throw the
Speaker 1: rock out of their heads and then blame it on us.
Speaker 1: Don't get it twisted on code and me and dancing
Speaker 1: for no buttament biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scarface out. Collectively,
Speaker 1: we are to get old boys reloaded with another episode
Speaker 1: of inflammation and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,
Speaker 1: beautiful world in the studio wine old what's up king?
Speaker 1: How you feel man? Man, I'm blessed good. It's good
Speaker 1: to see you. Man, it's good to see you and
Speaker 1: you're still looking young and healthy. Yeah it's possible, man.
Speaker 1: What's the secret? Man? Which what are you doing? And
Speaker 1: I eat clean, eat clean? Man? I don't I don't
Speaker 1: eat nothing that's not organic, you know, no GMOs and
Speaker 1: my system and uh, you know, I don't get high.
Speaker 1: I've never been high ever in my life. I've never
Speaker 1: drank nothing ever. As crazy as I was in the streets,
Speaker 1: you thought I was on everything. But you know that's
Speaker 1: our people. That's what people thought about me when I
Speaker 1: was in high school. Once I got out, I remember
Speaker 1: a few years later, I ran into this guy at
Speaker 1: a party and he said, man, I used to think
Speaker 1: he was on drugs and stuff. Man, because used to
Speaker 1: fight so much. Oh man, speaking of fighting. My first
Speaker 1: I view you was at the gulches. I've seen you
Speaker 1: whoop two dudes outside of the gulches. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was pretty active. I said, Man, this dude got
Speaker 1: some hands, not me. I didn't. I didn't go into
Speaker 1: the clubs to uh until I started doing music. But
Speaker 1: back then, I'll just be in a parking lot, you know,
Speaker 1: barr and stuff. You know, that was my profession back then. Man,
Speaker 1: you had a very interesting life, very uh exploratory. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's let's go back, man, let's let's let's let's go
Speaker 1: to the beginning. You grew up in Houston on the
Speaker 1: North Side. You grew up in a family of seven siblings.
Speaker 1: You're the youngest. What was that like, man? The thing, man,
Speaker 1: the thing I kept hearing from my from everybody, my mama.
Speaker 1: The only person ain't really hear from his my daddy,
Speaker 1: is you're bad like you You're a bad kid. So
Speaker 1: I was fighting everybody in the family. When they told
Speaker 1: you when you were bad, did you feel like you
Speaker 1: had to live up to that reputation of being bad? No,
Speaker 1: I just I was a different soul. My mama said,
Speaker 1: I popped out of old man or something. You know.
Speaker 1: I taught myself how to ride a bike at three
Speaker 1: years old. I've been fighting a long time, just like
Speaker 1: you identified with fighters. You know, after we get through
Speaker 1: the physical part of it, we realized we don't know
Speaker 1: how to fight through the elements, things that hold us down.
Speaker 1: But I fought everything. Man. My mama said that six
Speaker 1: months old, I was kicked out of a daycare and
Speaker 1: out of here. You get kicked out of a man.
Speaker 1: Everybody my family held to it, and my my brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters. They went to the daycare after school was out,
Speaker 1: and my mama came there and they said, look, ma'am,
Speaker 1: we can't we can't have y'all here this This little
Speaker 1: kid is damaging the other kids. They were using people. Man,
Speaker 1: how does a six month old kids get kicked out
Speaker 1: of a daycare? You can't even walk? I mean, what
Speaker 1: are you? What are you doing? That's all I knew
Speaker 1: was fighting. You were scratching on the kids, punched kids.
Speaker 1: You know, my god daughter works at a nursery, right,
Speaker 1: and she works for a little bitty kids and some
Speaker 1: little girl, like I think she said a little girl
Speaker 1: was like maybe three three year old girl better on
Speaker 1: the leg the other day and she had to take it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I did someboding too. Yeah, But what I
Speaker 1: realized Willie, to a lot of kids that are labeled
Speaker 1: it's bad or you know, promisterous and all that other stuff,
Speaker 1: there really is something in them just trying to get out.
Speaker 1: They're trying to figure out who they are, and some
Speaker 1: kids try to figure that out early. You know. That's
Speaker 1: why my life in the street he started a lot
Speaker 1: more earlier than most people, you know, way earlier. I remember,
Speaker 1: at twelve years old, sitting at the table eating dinner
Speaker 1: with the family, and I told everybody that I was
Speaker 1: gonna move out and I'll never forget my older sister
Speaker 1: like spit like laughing at me. And they didn't even know.
Speaker 1: I've already started saving. I was already plotting to get
Speaker 1: out of the house at twelve. Where are you getting
Speaker 1: savings from? At twelve years old? Well, I was hustling, hustling, Uh,
Speaker 1: stealing a little candy balls, selling them the twenty five cents.
Speaker 1: I went from that to uh, stealing bikes, repainting them
Speaker 1: and selling them. Always, I never really spent money when
Speaker 1: you when you were stealing these bikes and painting them?
Speaker 1: Where are you storing these bikes at the house? And
Speaker 1: your mom is not like asking questions? That's the crazy part.
Speaker 1: My daddy would tell her. Look, he called a genie,
Speaker 1: Look Jennie, a boy, and they're doing something. My mama
Speaker 1: always I don't know, he ain't that's his friends or
Speaker 1: what she was always cover from her. She was blind
Speaker 1: to my my bad. You feel what I'm saying, and uh,
Speaker 1: I probably would have changed earlier. But my my mother
Speaker 1: was an educated woman. My dad had never been to school.
Speaker 1: He grew up in Georgia. He had to work the farm.
Speaker 1: He was born in the late twenties. And that's why
Speaker 1: you're old soul. Your daddy was old man? Was he
Speaker 1: was still about that life? What was he was? He
Speaker 1: like a mobile guy with me? Was he at? My
Speaker 1: dad was super active like my mama used to make
Speaker 1: jokes saying he never died like my dad had, moved
Speaker 1: around like he was twenty five. Even when I my
Speaker 1: last memories of him, he was moving around like me
Speaker 1: when we was doing stuff. He was never stiff, none
Speaker 1: of that. So he I don't know what kind of
Speaker 1: gene that is. My wife said, I got the same gene.
Speaker 1: But we'll see as I get older. But but what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say is, man, my daddy, you know
Speaker 1: the old school ways. When we would act up, he
Speaker 1: would handle us. But the way he handled us used
Speaker 1: to scare my mama like so she was like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want you whipping him no more. My daddy said, okay,
Speaker 1: when they get locked up, he named everything that happened
Speaker 1: to me and my brother when they get locked up.
Speaker 1: When he gets shot, don't come to me. I'm not
Speaker 1: he said, I'm not using my money to bell him
Speaker 1: out of jail. And don't come crying to me. He said,
Speaker 1: I know my bloodline. He said, you after excuse my language,
Speaker 1: you have to have killes niggas to get him in line.
Speaker 1: And my mama stopped my daddy from from discipline in us. Shoot,
Speaker 1: my brother went crazy, so y'all once y'all new that
Speaker 1: she had basically, uh, put up the green the red light. Man,
Speaker 1: it was a wrap. It was a green light for y'all.
Speaker 1: It was all systems go, y'all smashed the gas. My
Speaker 1: brother was trapping out my mama's house out the window
Speaker 1: like he was doing everything, and I was into cause.
Speaker 1: But that that happened a little later. But did your
Speaker 1: dad stick these guns that he never tried to discipline
Speaker 1: y'all after that statement one time, one time he called
Speaker 1: me grown man stole. I was trying. I had some
Speaker 1: stuff I had to go out of town and go
Speaker 1: get and my mama was was doing her thing, trying
Speaker 1: to keep me at the house. She was talking to me,
Speaker 1: and my dad was in the backyard playing and flowers
Speaker 1: for and Uh, I started talking crazy to my mama.
Speaker 1: That was the first time I did it in front
Speaker 1: of him. You know, I had my own money, had
Speaker 1: my own stuff on costs. I'm like man's It was
Speaker 1: all in my head at the time. Dumb teenager, and
Speaker 1: I think I said a cuss word or something. I
Speaker 1: didn't cuss, I'd though, but I said a cuss word.
Speaker 1: And before I can even turn my old man was
Speaker 1: probably ten ft maybe fifteen feet away from it. I
Speaker 1: said the word in front of my mama and split
Speaker 1: second he was on his feet. What was the word?
Speaker 1: What did I tell her? I was so crazy back then?
Speaker 1: I got to think about it. I think I told
Speaker 1: I said, uh, I said, my ain't gonna you ain't
Speaker 1: going to treat me like a bit or something like that.
Speaker 1: I think I told her that I was talking crazy
Speaker 1: like that, and my old man got up and hit
Speaker 1: me with a right lifted my feet off the ground.
Speaker 1: I landed on my back. I never forget that, busting
Speaker 1: my nose and my lip. He stood over me. He said, look,
Speaker 1: nobody talked to my wife like that. And did your
Speaker 1: mother defend you? Did she try to get him off you?
Speaker 1: Now he just hit me one time. You know, old
Speaker 1: man had a reserve about him. They don't make him
Speaker 1: like him no more. I think you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Like when men used to be used to
Speaker 1: be the strength of the household. You know, my dad
Speaker 1: was built like that. He was hard as they come.
Speaker 1: He talked about walking his sister home from school and
Speaker 1: seeing people hanging from trees and stuff and Georgia co
Speaker 1: quit Georgia away from little tiny town in Georgia. And
Speaker 1: he was a Blue s guitars too though, and he
Speaker 1: put that down to work construction to put my mama
Speaker 1: through college. So is that where you picked up the
Speaker 1: music front? You know, you know what's crazy? Really? I
Speaker 1: ain't know. I had no musical abilities until I ended
Speaker 1: up being homeless. And how did that? How does a
Speaker 1: hustler become homeless? Oh? Man, well, it's it's it's I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eighteen at the time, right when you were homeless.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and this is after getting money. He was
Speaker 1: a born hustler, yea, So how does that happen? Man?
Speaker 1: I'm a backtrack my brother them, you know, they got
Speaker 1: into the robbery game. I was young, and uh, he
Speaker 1: came in one night and dump money on the bed.
Speaker 1: And uh, when I saw that, and I've seen how
Speaker 1: my mama then was struggling, I said, I gotta get
Speaker 1: to this real money, you know. And I always viewed
Speaker 1: myself my brother was smart, but I felt I was smarter.
Speaker 1: He was smarter in the books, but I was smarter
Speaker 1: than strategies. So uh, I started requiring different aspects. I
Speaker 1: didn't like selling drugs. I did it one time. I
Speaker 1: sold probably one rock uh off Kentucky and Bruster right
Speaker 1: there in phil Ward and the police chasers, and I said, nah,
Speaker 1: it's too slow and too too you know, predictable. So
Speaker 1: I started going to the junkyard teaching myself how to
Speaker 1: steal cars. And I would go to these little these
Speaker 1: little hull cap spots, you know. He used to have
Speaker 1: him the hook spots and asking them, you know, if
Speaker 1: I brought him this, what they would pay men? And
Speaker 1: I kept going around doing that. So I found I
Speaker 1: hit a hard lick in Port of Texas, and it
Speaker 1: was a guy who was selling his parts back to
Speaker 1: General Motors and he needed he needed some real stuff.
Speaker 1: So long story short, at the age of fourteen, I
Speaker 1: had a warehouse and Humble Texas, but I was busting
Speaker 1: cars down selling them back to him. I was making
Speaker 1: roughly from fourteen and seventeen years old, thousand dollars a day,
Speaker 1: and and what are you doing with this money? And
Speaker 1: I just stacked it? Okay, everybody called me a mister.
Speaker 1: To this day, they say you don't spend no money.
Speaker 1: When I got into music business, it was a joke
Speaker 1: going around up top. They just called me a black
Speaker 1: jew and I didn't understand what they meant by it
Speaker 1: until I started. You know, they were saying, because I
Speaker 1: don't spend the money or whatever, I don't go out
Speaker 1: and buy jury and all that other stuff. But so
Speaker 1: let me fast forward through that. You know, you're in
Speaker 1: the streets, you're doing a bunch of crazy stuff. First
Speaker 1: time in the club, the police brought me the club.
Speaker 1: The Gucci is at that same blood Bucket, and it
Speaker 1: was because they saw me about to steal the car
Speaker 1: and they got me before I was still in the car,
Speaker 1: a tempted burglary, but I was. I mean, well, I
Speaker 1: wanted to go this. My story is so intense. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna take my time and just tell you like
Speaker 1: this from fourteen and seventeen. Man, you're doing all that
Speaker 1: dirt and the street. At some point, calm and gonna
Speaker 1: come and get you. My mom she did so many
Speaker 1: things bro to try to keep me in my brother
Speaker 1: out of trouble. Like I said, she was educated, so
Speaker 1: she moved out of the Ward and moved to cynic Wood,
Speaker 1: moved out of synic Wood and moved to Humble. When
Speaker 1: we moved Humble, it was probably five six other black
Speaker 1: families in the neighborhood was in it. Other than that,
Speaker 1: it was just you know, pretty much number of white
Speaker 1: boards or whatever. So I learned, like, I hung out
Speaker 1: with white boars and learned how to ride four wheelers.
Speaker 1: They were cool with me. One day out there, I'm
Speaker 1: out the field with him. We hit this pop and
Speaker 1: when we heard it, I felt like somebody hit me
Speaker 1: with a brick. But my boom, I went like that
Speaker 1: and I was gonna start swinging on one of the
Speaker 1: white boys. And they're like, hey, look at your head.
Speaker 1: And it was blood coming near my temple. So man,
Speaker 1: I ran to the house. Uh. My mom took me
Speaker 1: to the hospital and they removed a bullet. Who was
Speaker 1: a white man see me playing with a little white kids,
Speaker 1: and he shot me. My mama shot you from where?
Speaker 1: Like where was he It was a distance, he was
Speaker 1: at another house. He was in his own house. He
Speaker 1: was I don't know if he had a scope or not.
Speaker 1: The boys, the white boys, I've seen beans over the fence.
Speaker 1: They pointed. You know what I'm saying, I ran to
Speaker 1: the house because all this blood coming out of my head,
Speaker 1: so the bullet didn't go through my skull and just
Speaker 1: cut the skin and they had to like pull it out.
Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, humblesh just north of Houston. Um,
Speaker 1: it's like basically a suburb of Houston. But you can't
Speaker 1: tell people who lived there that. You know, the people
Speaker 1: who have been living that forever, they think it's a
Speaker 1: real city. But go ahead, and my mom called the
Speaker 1: shares over there, man, and you know, my little white
Speaker 1: boy friends. They went to the house, showing the sheriffs
Speaker 1: his house, all this dif my mom come. I came,
Speaker 1: and my mama didn't let me get out. She let
Speaker 1: me stay in our car, and my mama told me
Speaker 1: this story. She said she went in the house and
Speaker 1: the little white boys I did him as the one
Speaker 1: that shot me. She went in this house and she's
Speaker 1: seen all this army rememory of deal you and as
Speaker 1: the sheriffs we questioned and he was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just taking some pot shots at my gate.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got, you know, like he
Speaker 1: was target practice. In his backyard with a right really,
Speaker 1: So the sheriffs turned to my mama and asked her
Speaker 1: that you want to press charges? And my mama noticed
Speaker 1: it was a tattoo on for the shares fingers. My
Speaker 1: mama was, you know, my mama from Fifth War a period,
Speaker 1: so you know. And she noticed both shares had the
Speaker 1: same mark on their hand as the dude who shot men,
Speaker 1: and she decided not to press charges because of fear
Speaker 1: of her safety. For us, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: That ain't even a fucking question. Do you want to
Speaker 1: press charges? You got a mother who just shot somebody,
Speaker 1: and your job as a so called peace officers to
Speaker 1: keep the pieces to go in and make their rest,
Speaker 1: eliminate the threat from the citizens of the community that
Speaker 1: you serve. Whoever those cops were. Let me go on
Speaker 1: the record and say your mama should be embarrassing your
Speaker 1: dad and should have pulled out. Go ahead. So that
Speaker 1: was my first experience, which is, you know, how did
Speaker 1: you get shot? That's what I'm going to go and
Speaker 1: hold hold them before you answer that, I need to
Speaker 1: get back to the bag. I don't want to go
Speaker 1: too far away from the bag. How did you blow
Speaker 1: the bag and end up homeless. Well, let me get
Speaker 1: through that. Because you are, because you're you're, you're You're
Speaker 1: how old at this time when you got shot the
Speaker 1: first time? The first time? I was well, I was
Speaker 1: probably about twelve when I got shot. Ye damn, I
Speaker 1: was wrong. Okay, that's now, that's the shot by the
Speaker 1: white man. We're gonna get into the getting shot by
Speaker 1: the brother. Did you get shot? What came first the
Speaker 1: second shooting? Are the blowing the bag? What came first
Speaker 1: the second shooting? Okay, okay, let's talk about let's talk
Speaker 1: about it all right. I had this, Uh see, I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm an inventor. I'm gonna thinker man. I always
Speaker 1: think of head, always try to play, strategize things of
Speaker 1: that nature. And I wanted I wanted to get more calls,
Speaker 1: to make more money. So I had got this this
Speaker 1: clep throw out of Kingwood. There was a white boy.
Speaker 1: He's still for the front of it. Daddy was adoptor
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. But he was the only one
Speaker 1: who could steal in broad daylight. Never got caught broad
Speaker 1: daylight going to these cars. People are walking right by him.
Speaker 1: He popping these cars. We had to go at night. Oh,
Speaker 1: it had to be parked in a garage or somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know. So the guy was such a clepto man.
Speaker 1: He ended up stealing his neighbor. This is how start.
Speaker 1: He end up stealing his neighbor's motorcycle. Next door neighbor.
Speaker 1: Ain't talking about two three dollars down next door neighbor
Speaker 1: and painting. So the neighbor he ain't never been in
Speaker 1: trouble before. So the neighbor call the cops. They take
Speaker 1: him down, scanned and he ratched my whole thing out.
Speaker 1: I ain't had nothing to do with the motorcycle, and
Speaker 1: I had that in the back of my mind. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I figured I needed the to move my
Speaker 1: little waitrehouse or something at some point. So anyway, that's
Speaker 1: when they started. They had a warehouse. And how old
Speaker 1: were you at this time? I got at fourteen, And
Speaker 1: I gotta ask this question because somebody's out that thinking
Speaker 1: it kind of hell does a fourteen year old get
Speaker 1: the credentials to rent a warehouse? At that time? Crackheads,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of stuff because the crack is okay,
Speaker 1: apartments all kind of you can do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: You don't you just use somebody older. I told you
Speaker 1: all this, guys, and interesting story, this journey, it's rather colorful.
Speaker 1: It's colorful. Brother. And uh So in between that time
Speaker 1: they watched them and they investigating me, I had a
Speaker 1: number job. You probably ain't heard that terminology in years,
Speaker 1: you know, the number job. He was right at a
Speaker 1: number job and it was clean boy, clean regal, and
Speaker 1: I just I had this new girlfriend. I wanted to
Speaker 1: stunt on him. So, man, I had it cleaned up.
Speaker 1: And I usually don't do my number jobs like that.
Speaker 1: I hold, I sell it and somebody else by it
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I wanted to stunt this one. And
Speaker 1: uh and they were already and following me. They already
Speaker 1: was like clagging up on me, and man, they pulled
Speaker 1: me over. When they pulled me over, that's when I
Speaker 1: they took me down and I found found out that
Speaker 1: the dude snitched me. All that stuff they went and
Speaker 1: just got everything. In between that time, you know, I
Speaker 1: got out. I was out on Born and um I
Speaker 1: went to uh. I had one of my homebuys picked
Speaker 1: me up and I went to this this club off
Speaker 1: of Kirk and doll in nineteen six. It was a
Speaker 1: teenage club called Kocomo's. I don't over you remember that?
Speaker 1: Remember that? But that was the only club you could
Speaker 1: go to and and run into everybody like Mexicans, white boys,
Speaker 1: the black dudes, the whole nine. So my partner took
Speaker 1: me over there. I'm looking for this girl, the same
Speaker 1: one I was. I was trying to stunt on, but
Speaker 1: she the type. She ain't faithful like that, so I
Speaker 1: knew it. I knew she was kind of wild. But
Speaker 1: so I went looking for into the club. The club
Speaker 1: was closed, so we went down the street to this
Speaker 1: little stop and go. Everybody using to hang out over there,
Speaker 1: but usually it's a huge crowd. This time the crowd split.
Speaker 1: Nah this nineteen six and kirgandhal, you don't get that
Speaker 1: gangster over there, Like you know, we used to slap
Speaker 1: dudes and pull them out their call over there. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, we pull up right in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: I looked to the left. There's some dude holding the
Speaker 1: chrome pisa, pacing talking real loud. I'm like, that's reckless.
Speaker 1: I looked to the right and I one of my
Speaker 1: partners from the hood was over there, so I walked
Speaker 1: over to him. I said, man, what's going on? He said, Man,
Speaker 1: these dudes want to fight over some broad and I've
Speaker 1: seen him. Was leaning on his car. He had a
Speaker 1: pump shotgun behind his leg, excuse me, And I know
Speaker 1: him he will use it, so I already knew his
Speaker 1: gonna be all the way live. So I asked him,
Speaker 1: did he see this girl? Her name was Keisha? Ironically,
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm heading back to the car because I know,
Speaker 1: I know this dude is real. While so I'm heading
Speaker 1: back to the car and I'm about to get in
Speaker 1: the car, and he said something to me, and I said, huh,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what he said. And when I
Speaker 1: went back this way to get in the car, home
Speaker 1: bark with that chrome pistol can run right over the car.
Speaker 1: Bah bust men's face. The bullet knocked me off my feet,
Speaker 1: will him yea, I'll never forget this, bro. You know,
Speaker 1: people people say theatrical stuff when they talk about life
Speaker 1: and death, but the only way to describe it is
Speaker 1: the way you know it. When I I fell on
Speaker 1: my back, man, and yeah, I knew I got hit,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know I got hit. It's like my
Speaker 1: mind was going in reverse, like trying to catch up
Speaker 1: to what actually happened. And I staggered to my feet, man,
Speaker 1: and I heard a voice say, walking to that stopping
Speaker 1: go And I remember stagging to the stopping go. Now,
Speaker 1: everybody busting. Now, you know what you do when you're busting,
Speaker 1: You get down low you I'm walking straight up right
Speaker 1: in the middle all of this, and I'm stagging to
Speaker 1: this dough man out. Another bullet touched me. There were
Speaker 1: so many bullets rang out that night. There was some
Speaker 1: apartments across the street of bullets went. An apartment hit
Speaker 1: somebody in the stomach. I remember grabbing the door with
Speaker 1: my left hand, man and I couldn't see my left eye.
Speaker 1: But when I opened that door up due that the
Speaker 1: counter was like this because blood was just spewing from
Speaker 1: the door all the way to the counter. And mentally
Speaker 1: it was slowly catching up and how serious what was
Speaker 1: going on? Like I didn't see people get shot, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I remember staggering on my
Speaker 1: I mean getting on my knees. Man took my shirt
Speaker 1: off and I wrapped my whole face up and left
Speaker 1: my mouth out because blood was just pouring out my mouth.
Speaker 1: The bullet went through my cheek and shot at my cheekbone,
Speaker 1: broke my nose and came out between my eye and
Speaker 1: all this was open. And that was the first time
Speaker 1: I ever ever prayed. And I remember I remember telling God,
Speaker 1: I said, don't let me die this time, because prior
Speaker 1: to then, you know, I got shot. But before that,
Speaker 1: a dude put a technoline in my head and the
Speaker 1: jam because he thought I stole his girlfriend. When he's
Speaker 1: hot heads. Man, you know I got any check real quick.
Speaker 1: He said, you ask God, don't let me die this time.
Speaker 1: When you told God, don't let me die this time,
Speaker 1: that implies that you died before the way you said that. Well,
Speaker 1: so on what day did you die before? Did you
Speaker 1: die before? Like you know, hey, man, you know you
Speaker 1: know your life. Man, you know I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: it was that. It was that day I left and
Speaker 1: came back. But prior to then, out have been and shootouts.
Speaker 1: One of my partners, after twenty some years in prison,
Speaker 1: he get out, I'll bring some young dudes to the
Speaker 1: hood to the ward to meet him. He still start
Speaker 1: telling the story. I don't even know what the story is,
Speaker 1: and I was in the story. He said don't you
Speaker 1: remember you were running, you dive over the car and
Speaker 1: you were shooting two pistols. I'm like, really's so crazy, man,
Speaker 1: to think of think how wild I used to be,
Speaker 1: where my mind was. Girl Boys reloaded podcast will be
Speaker 1: right back after the break. Talk about blowing the bag?
Speaker 1: How did you blow this bag? Bow become homeless? So boom,
Speaker 1: It's all wrapped up in this. So I'm I'm dying
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm in the stopping go man, and
Speaker 1: I'm getting very, very tired. I'm afraid. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I'm trying to calm myself down because I
Speaker 1: know what happens when you bleed out. People coming in there. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing girls crying, people falling on my blood. I
Speaker 1: was bleeding so much. The pants I had on was
Speaker 1: dry riding bro. When the ambulance got there, they said
Speaker 1: they couldn't transport me. They had to call life flood.
Speaker 1: In between that time, our flat line once or twice.
Speaker 1: In between that time, either once or twice, and when
Speaker 1: I got into the when they picked me up in
Speaker 1: the helicopter. When I woke up in the hospital, doctors
Speaker 1: and they gave me some understanding. They was talking about it.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be living based on the amount of blood
Speaker 1: I lost. So fast forward to that. Nah, police just
Speaker 1: took all of what I had right now in that warehouse.
Speaker 1: I had a little stash from my bag, but it
Speaker 1: was in the back under some stuff. When I got out,
Speaker 1: when I went back by there, all of that stuff
Speaker 1: was scraped out of that like they search everything, like
Speaker 1: the parts and all this other stuff. And I had
Speaker 1: this like this piece of I want to say still
Speaker 1: like to see a land on some dirt on some
Speaker 1: ground on on the ground in the very back of
Speaker 1: the wouse because it was dirt, it was real ragling,
Speaker 1: it was dirty. Wasn't a ceement floor. It was a
Speaker 1: dirt floor with a little tin around it. And I
Speaker 1: knew that they didn't they got my money. Now. When
Speaker 1: I got out, the hospital paused for a minute, and
Speaker 1: I was wondering, Man, you still here, You still here?
Speaker 1: You know you get that consciousness, so well, maybe I
Speaker 1: need to try something different. But I got out there
Speaker 1: and people started calling me brad name scar facing all
Speaker 1: this stuff and being young and still it kind of
Speaker 1: went to my head. But I um, I lost myself
Speaker 1: for a moment and I ended up doing worse than
Speaker 1: I was before to try to get back up to
Speaker 1: where I was this month's after coming out to hospital,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even fully heal fast forward past that, end
Speaker 1: up getting locked up facing fifteen years in prison for
Speaker 1: what that was once that was locked up for another
Speaker 1: auto theft charge. That was another auto the charge, fifteen
Speaker 1: years for all that. They must they must have been
Speaker 1: trying to tie you to a string of uh typic
Speaker 1: conspiracy or something. It was grand theft and it was
Speaker 1: trying to get me for masterminding crimes. Right, So so
Speaker 1: you end up homeless and where are you? Where are
Speaker 1: you actually sleeping? At fourth ward? It was a place
Speaker 1: called the Riot Center right off of Tab Street. I
Speaker 1: think it was right off the Tab Street if you
Speaker 1: come out off of Alan Parkway, go down Tab. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a homeless shelter, but a lot of teenagers,
Speaker 1: runaway teenagers would go there from River Oaks, you know,
Speaker 1: little kids on drugs and stuff like that. So I
Speaker 1: would go around there to eat. But the reason I
Speaker 1: was homeless because I refused to go back to my
Speaker 1: mama's house. You know, did you refuse to go because
Speaker 1: you felt like you couldn't bide by her rules and
Speaker 1: your father's rules, or you didn't want to go because
Speaker 1: you felt that you would be rejected. No, it wasn't
Speaker 1: that my mama was mad at the whole whole situation
Speaker 1: that I did that, But it's because I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't want her to take care of me. Plus my
Speaker 1: brother was doing too many things over there. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to get into it with him and end up
Speaker 1: back in jail. So, and you know, they called the
Speaker 1: jail house religion. So I called God out on everything
Speaker 1: the Bible said. So, I said, you know, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to provide for me. You supposed to show me what
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be doing. All I know is the streets.
Speaker 1: I ain't never worked for nobody to this day, I
Speaker 1: really never worked for nobody. And what I would do
Speaker 1: just off the whim, I would wrap about my problems
Speaker 1: just and I would wrap the guard about my problems
Speaker 1: and my depression and all that other stuff. This is
Speaker 1: why you lock that. No, this is at the this
Speaker 1: is home for homeless, and um he's you know. Fourth
Speaker 1: War Mexicans used to come around and be like, man,
Speaker 1: your voice you sound chopped and screwed. You sound screwed,
Speaker 1: and I just kept wrapping to one day Kevin Bads
Speaker 1: from the Houston Astros. I don't even know who he was,
Speaker 1: to be honest, this dude pulled up, I guess to
Speaker 1: give money to drop off some clothes or whatever the case.
Speaker 1: And he's seen, I guess, seen this one black dude
Speaker 1: out here with this the Spanish dudes out in front
Speaker 1: of the place. And he paused for a second and
Speaker 1: listen to me wrapping everything, and walk back into place
Speaker 1: and left. The lady they worked at the desk came
Speaker 1: outside and said, hey, you know that dude. I said, no,
Speaker 1: he said that was She said, that's Kevin Bass from
Speaker 1: the Houston Astros. He just wrote you a thousand dollar
Speaker 1: check and click. I said, well, this is how I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make money rapping. And I wasn't good at it WILLI.
Speaker 1: I wasn't good like y'all. But I I took that
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and I started getting those Kmart tapes, you know,
Speaker 1: the ones with all that ad in it, and up.
Speaker 1: I would go to this church I was going to
Speaker 1: at the time and clean it up at night and
Speaker 1: used a p A system to record. I ain't had
Speaker 1: no beats, and I was selling those tapes for two dollars.
Speaker 1: I remember the dude in the hood and say, man,
Speaker 1: you expect meet the body that ain't no beat o this.
Speaker 1: I was shoving it down people throat until I could
Speaker 1: like flip that and flip that. I started meeting producers.
Speaker 1: They were whacked producers. So I was still spitting on
Speaker 1: the wag Beach recording and I just kept doing my thing.
Speaker 1: Ti uh. You know, I started getting on this new
Speaker 1: one and this is that's ninety six, that's ninety that's
Speaker 1: in between ninety four. Okay, So but you put your first,
Speaker 1: my first album, right, and you have seventeen albums to
Speaker 1: date to date, are you still making money off those albums? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're still making a little money. Yeah. Do you do
Speaker 1: you own most of them? Don't on all of them? Yeah? Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: I said I gave you credit for at least on
Speaker 1: it most of them, because I know you've always been independent.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Even even the first label I signed to,
Speaker 1: I produced. I put all that stuff together and we
Speaker 1: were supposed to do a P and D deal, and
Speaker 1: the dude triggered me, you know, nice little Christian brother, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm your Christian brother, you know, put me when I
Speaker 1: when I went to a lawyer and let the lawyers
Speaker 1: see the contract and said, man, that's the most demanded
Speaker 1: countract I've ever seen. It was horrible, dude, flat out
Speaker 1: live and he has never paid me to this day
Speaker 1: that album. So you're trying to say that Christian did this.
Speaker 1: Absolutely a man of God. Absolutely, that's preprosperous. And I
Speaker 1: don't believe it, man, I don't believe it. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he got old man, so so cold man God. So
Speaker 1: he got you. And so how do you restore your fan?
Speaker 1: How do you end up not being jaded to get
Speaker 1: to a point to where you wanted to continue? Well,
Speaker 1: I realized that the contract he set up, it was
Speaker 1: an artist contract. It wasn't even what he said. I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know nothing about no contracts and no lawyers.
Speaker 1: Back then. I took a man, tried to take a
Speaker 1: man at his word. And if you're a Christian man,
Speaker 1: well maybe you honest, I was talking the street. You
Speaker 1: don't trust nobody, but when you come into Christian world,
Speaker 1: oh you can trust everybody. That up that ain't true willing,
Speaker 1: and he got me. So I literally called the dude
Speaker 1: up and I say, you know, either you pay me, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm coming to see you flat out. When the dude
Speaker 1: was like, you know what if I let you off,
Speaker 1: just let you out of the contract. I still wanted
Speaker 1: my money, but I knew in order to get that money,
Speaker 1: I was going to put my hands on it, and
Speaker 1: I was willing to do that, but I didn't want
Speaker 1: to put I didn't want the trouble that came with,
Speaker 1: and already had a family by then. So I came up.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I got a couple of
Speaker 1: songs that didn't used, and it's a whole lot of
Speaker 1: other little Christian artists that's trying to do what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: And what I was doing wasn't even really heard of,
Speaker 1: Like how you be talking about the streets and and God.
Speaker 1: The only thing that wouldn't in mine is I wasn't cussing,
Speaker 1: and I would talk about God and what I used
Speaker 1: to do. So I got a whole bunch of other
Speaker 1: little dudes and we put a compilation together and it
Speaker 1: was calling Thugs Fly, which is what you name your
Speaker 1: movie exactly, Yeah, tell us about the movie. Well, actually
Speaker 1: it's a documentary. And my wife been asking me to do.
Speaker 1: For a while, I've been avoiding it. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not even now Willie as cool as we are because
Speaker 1: the cameras on me and we're just sitting there talking
Speaker 1: about my past. It's a it's a struggle because of
Speaker 1: of the stuff that happened to me, you know, how
Speaker 1: they drugged me, through the media and all other stuff
Speaker 1: that took place. So but my wife was like, your
Speaker 1: story is too intense, and usually when I started telling
Speaker 1: the story, I'm all over the place, I'm sporadic with it.
Speaker 1: She knew how to put it together where he calms
Speaker 1: out the way it needs to come out. What's the
Speaker 1: most interesting thing? And that film that you think that
Speaker 1: people will find compelling about you? Um, fact, like, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not like anybody else. I'm not like any
Speaker 1: other rapper. I'm not like any other dude from the streets.
Speaker 1: But what makes you not like those guys? Because you know,
Speaker 1: people say, well, I'm not like that, I'm not like that. Like,
Speaker 1: tell us why you're not like that? You know, how
Speaker 1: how is it that you're not like these other guys?
Speaker 1: My perspective, man, how I look at life? Uh? I
Speaker 1: was telling somebody the other day. I've never wore Pat
Speaker 1: Jordan's in my life. You know. One dude told me
Speaker 1: I did the Cardinal Hood's in And the reason I
Speaker 1: never him because because everybody wanted him. I've never followed
Speaker 1: the crowd, never was interested in the crowd. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what pure pressure is. I just wasn't built
Speaker 1: with that bone, you know. And um, I've almost gotten
Speaker 1: fights because jokers just wouldn't believe that I've never been high,
Speaker 1: or don't drink my own lawyers don't believe it. No,
Speaker 1: which phraised me back to your name, Wine. How does
Speaker 1: a guy who's never been high, who has never been inegrated,
Speaker 1: name himself wine? Oh, and then make it work. Actually,
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who this dude named black Seed. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was getting into wrapping around the same time I was,
Speaker 1: and he thought it was interesting. I didn't have a
Speaker 1: rap name for a minute, and uh, he didn't have one.
Speaker 1: So I named him black Seed. And he named me
Speaker 1: new Wine, he said, because new Wine in the Bible,
Speaker 1: it was a street name for the spirit of God.
Speaker 1: That's what they that that was when you get the
Speaker 1: word new wine. If you ever hear a new wine
Speaker 1: in the church, they're talking about the spirit of God.
Speaker 1: So it's stuck. And I went from New Wine as
Speaker 1: a rap artist to Wino as a producer. How do
Speaker 1: you get wine out of New Wine? I got the wine,
Speaker 1: but where people started just just just saying it w wanta.
Speaker 1: So it just stuck. Man. So when I went from
Speaker 1: the Christian thing, I started doing the street music. I
Speaker 1: just went with Wino. So you started off with the
Speaker 1: Christian music and then you went into the street thing.
Speaker 1: Then you went back to the Christian thing with Evan
Speaker 1: the Holy Field, right, Well, no, I was. I left
Speaker 1: after Vana Field, after we hooked up. I was done Christian.
Speaker 1: Evan Evan the Holy Field part. This ship was your
Speaker 1: for a into Christian Yeah, I was. I was a
Speaker 1: Christian hip hop artist at the time. The Boys reloged podcast.
Speaker 1: Will be right back after the break. Tell us about
Speaker 1: that relationship that you had with Evan the Holy Field
Speaker 1: and how it came to be Man, I ran into him. Uh,
Speaker 1: these kids that kept asking me to come to this
Speaker 1: little meeting they had, and when I showed up, everybody
Speaker 1: was there, like and this was like a little kid's apartment,
Speaker 1: like a regular apartment complex and sugar Land. It was
Speaker 1: football player. Everybody was there, and uh, from that, they
Speaker 1: did this outdoor thing and that's and I performed at it,
Speaker 1: and Evander holy Field was right there and we shook hands.
Speaker 1: We were cool. And then I was in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: I umpt into him. He said, Man, I like your music. Man,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you because he was thinking
Speaker 1: about starting a label and he wanted me to help
Speaker 1: him build a label. And that's how it started, all right,
Speaker 1: But how did it end? Uh? Man? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: holy Field is a boxer. You know, boxes are stubborn.
Speaker 1: You're a boxing yourself, you know. And I'm a fighter too,
Speaker 1: so it's just stubborn. So and I guess like me
Speaker 1: and him used to argus so much like we'd be
Speaker 1: at the airport, argument everywhere, argu and people used to
Speaker 1: think he's gonna knock me out. But I ain't to
Speaker 1: type to kiss your button. I'm gonna tell you if
Speaker 1: it's wrong, you're wrong. So we get an arguments, so
Speaker 1: many arguments. But he had hired these dudes that I
Speaker 1: knew with snakes and my money was mixed up in it,
Speaker 1: and he had them to run the label. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: how they was coming in. I already knew there was
Speaker 1: from the bend him over period and me and he
Speaker 1: went back and forth. Because my money is tied up
Speaker 1: in this, I said, bro, so I had to sign
Speaker 1: off on on it. And in between me signing off
Speaker 1: on it, he said, Man, if this this goes bad,
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm a I'm a handle yo. End
Speaker 1: of it. To me, I had a probably a hot
Speaker 1: m and in the bank he had a hundred fifty ms.
Speaker 1: So like, okay, that's my Christian brother. So man, look
Speaker 1: here the boys. What the boys did did to him
Speaker 1: was crazy. Man. They straight rather, they did more than
Speaker 1: what I thought that were gonna do. How many how
Speaker 1: many ms? You think holy Field lost in that deal altogether?
Speaker 1: He lost in the music business a little over ten million.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, grossly over what I thought it was. I
Speaker 1: thought I heard the number like three four something. He got.
Speaker 1: He got got by two people, two sets of people.
Speaker 1: I want them on both, which is crazy. But so
Speaker 1: when that happened, he didn't fulfill his thing, and that's
Speaker 1: when we fell out. M hm, you know, oh y'all
Speaker 1: still cool? I mean, did y'all get back cool? I
Speaker 1: went to his uh the statue of revealing I'm really
Speaker 1: close to his family too, so we're cool. You know,
Speaker 1: at some point you just chalk it up, man, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to be at odds with any
Speaker 1: of my brothers. Yeah, but but holy Field always came
Speaker 1: out as a good dude to me. But just on
Speaker 1: the business side, just get out business side, okay, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you. So in two thousand fourteen, you have
Speaker 1: a situation with your wife at the time, Iggy Azalia. Right,
Speaker 1: this is two thousand fourteen, right, Uh that you hit
Speaker 1: the headlines. You hit the headlines. Uh, I got to
Speaker 1: speak vague on it. You can say that. You can't
Speaker 1: say that. Man, So is there still a pending lawsuit,
Speaker 1: litigation or something going on? It was all done away with.
Speaker 1: Why do you why do you have to be vague
Speaker 1: about it? Well, because, oh, because it's a it's still
Speaker 1: a gag. That's a gag. It's that's still in place.
Speaker 1: I mean, how real is over gag arders stuff? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I mean you're like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I hear about these gag arters all the time and
Speaker 1: people break them all the time and nothing really happens.
Speaker 1: So you know, but yeah, you know, Okay, so you
Speaker 1: and you tell me about that relationship. You know, all
Speaker 1: I know is what I what I'm read about it.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about the girl I met that
Speaker 1: was from Australia, from my Australia. I met her through Uh.
Speaker 1: I met this girl through uh Mr Lee. Okay, producer,
Speaker 1: Mr Lee. It was my boy. Mr Lee was working
Speaker 1: on this this label. These people hired him, was bringing
Speaker 1: them into run the label and be the production in
Speaker 1: and he called me because you know, I'm a producer
Speaker 1: as well. So I go over there and I see
Speaker 1: this tall woman in the in the you know, sitting
Speaker 1: up over there. She's just sitting by herself. I asked,
Speaker 1: Mr Lee, what's going on? You say, man, look here,
Speaker 1: this girl has been hounding me for five years on
Speaker 1: my Space. And Mr Lee was kind of standoff. It's
Speaker 1: your bottom. And I guess he could see what I
Speaker 1: couldn't see. I don't know what, you know what The
Speaker 1: reason was, to be honest. And so the people who
Speaker 1: owned the label, they took us all out to eat
Speaker 1: and they brought her with him. You know, she was
Speaker 1: like a string alonge. And while we're there eating at
Speaker 1: this restaurant, people come banging pans and singing happy birthday.
Speaker 1: We're looking around. They were singing happy happy birthday to her.
Speaker 1: I guess her mother knew what she was. And you know,
Speaker 1: it was her birthday, and uh, everybody asked the old
Speaker 1: she was, and uh, she said she just turned eighteen.
Speaker 1: And Mr Lee looked at me like, I said, well,
Speaker 1: let me, let me just see what's up. So I
Speaker 1: started talking to him man, and she wanted to be
Speaker 1: a superstar, wanted to be artists. And I said, you
Speaker 1: look like a model. You need to go that route.
Speaker 1: And she was like everybody keeps telling me, no, I
Speaker 1: want to be all you know, long story short, she
Speaker 1: she was down here, we hung out, got in a relationship.
Speaker 1: I understood her. I'm not I'm not speaking negative. I
Speaker 1: know I'm a weird dude. Really, I'm considered weird so
Speaker 1: I can relate to the weirdest people. And uh, I've
Speaker 1: seen the talent in her. What do you find weird
Speaker 1: about it? Though? Her style? You know, shame where I'm from.
Speaker 1: You know, how she looked at life the whole nine
Speaker 1: It was just really intriguing to me. You know, for example,
Speaker 1: how she looked at life. You go dig baby, let
Speaker 1: me see let me see, uh, the opportunities. The way
Speaker 1: she looked at opportunities, it gave me another perspective because
Speaker 1: see the way we look at opportunities, we have to
Speaker 1: look at the opportunity. We know we gotta go hard,
Speaker 1: but we know also we gotta jump through hoops, we
Speaker 1: gotta fight all stories. It's a whole lot of stuff
Speaker 1: we gotta deal with to get to through that journey.
Speaker 1: This person just had a free mind in it, like
Speaker 1: like she knew exactly that she could do this, and
Speaker 1: it was it was nothing in front of her. Now,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you say that around me? Put it that way?
Speaker 1: Not not not? Was that freedom because she was a
Speaker 1: Caucasian woman or was it because she just had supreme confidence?
Speaker 1: And I said, I think it was because of both.
Speaker 1: It was because of both. Well at least she was honest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when someonebody don't deal with what you deal with,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. So so, you know, things
Speaker 1: took off or whatever, and she started living with me.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I moved to Atlanta to give
Speaker 1: more work. You know, it was drying up around here
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, doing producing, So I moved
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. She moved with me, and I started like
Speaker 1: setting up with stuff like trying to get on reality
Speaker 1: shows and modeling agencies and all kinds of stuff. And
Speaker 1: it became a headache with it. You know, it became
Speaker 1: a headache. I'm used to a one man band. It
Speaker 1: was a two It was new. It was me and her,
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. So I decided to send
Speaker 1: her back, you know, to Australia. Where did the rumor
Speaker 1: come from where people were saying that she was seventeen
Speaker 1: years old when you married her. That was a plot
Speaker 1: that was applied to try to make me look bad,
Speaker 1: That's all it was. She definitely wasn't seventeen. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: how did you How did she get into the music?
Speaker 1: I thought that you brought it in and started working
Speaker 1: with her on the music. You're the first one who
Speaker 1: started working with her when it came to music, right developed.
Speaker 1: So how did you feel like once you introduced her
Speaker 1: to the game and put her down and helped develop
Speaker 1: her style and all of that stuff, and then she
Speaker 1: got on and was like kick you to the curve
Speaker 1: like didn't want to. It was no problem, It was
Speaker 1: no it was no issue. They hit me up because
Speaker 1: somebody Jimmy Alvin was trying to sign it, and they
Speaker 1: hit me up and they say, hey, I think there's
Speaker 1: Wando's artists, so girl or whoever she is or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I told hm, I said, no problem. I ain't
Speaker 1: tripping on the contract. Ain't tripping on none of that
Speaker 1: stuff because I had catalogs and the stuff I was
Speaker 1: here couldn't touch the catalog. So I was confident on
Speaker 1: my end. So I was like, if she went out
Speaker 1: and hustled and did all that, that's cool. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hold down with I put my work into and my
Speaker 1: hustle into so man as she blew, I had a
Speaker 1: situation come to me, a lucrative situation, so I started
Speaker 1: putting it together when they got when she got wind
Speaker 1: of it, next thing, you know, something filing federal court
Speaker 1: that I'm steal in music. Boom. That's how all of it,
Speaker 1: that's how everything started triggering everything. I didn't know about
Speaker 1: the marriage situation. You know, in Texas they got the
Speaker 1: common law thing, so you know, you find out. You know,
Speaker 1: all somebody has to do is put your last name
Speaker 1: down on medical records, on mail, coming to your house, anything,
Speaker 1: and they can claim you as a spouse, and you
Speaker 1: literally have to fight that in court. So the way
Speaker 1: that the narrative was spun was that you're the one
Speaker 1: who was trying to say we're married. So and so
Speaker 1: initially she claimed you as her husband, and then once
Speaker 1: she got on she tried to distance herself as that
Speaker 1: how I went, we'll see. No, what I think is
Speaker 1: her initial plan was to make that move. This is
Speaker 1: my opinion, was to make that move. M but other
Speaker 1: things took place. But it was already there. It was
Speaker 1: already in the system. You feel what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: that's when it was discovered by my attorneys. But that
Speaker 1: situation was like that, so and but they made it
Speaker 1: look like, okay, well you you're trying to eat off this,
Speaker 1: you're trying to do this. It was never that, ain't
Speaker 1: even in my character. So do you own the masters
Speaker 1: to this day those masses that you have of her, Well,
Speaker 1: we did some in a settlement. We already I relinquished
Speaker 1: them through a settlement. Okay, So you got a bag
Speaker 1: out of deer two. And they made me man, I
Speaker 1: learned so much about the media. I know, you know
Speaker 1: about the media. They can make you look how they
Speaker 1: want you to look period, and then they'll do that
Speaker 1: while you at court. So they turned the public opinion
Speaker 1: and I already started like making you look bad. They
Speaker 1: already if you go to trial or jury, the jury
Speaker 1: has already been groomed to who you are, what they
Speaker 1: think you are, you're feeling. So that was a rough
Speaker 1: time for me because I've been in a lot of fights,
Speaker 1: but I ain't never been in a fight like that.
Speaker 1: That was a heavy one, you know. And when it
Speaker 1: started hitting home and and and and my kids started
Speaker 1: talking about it, that's when it really really really affected me.
Speaker 1: So after all of that, that's why nobody really heard
Speaker 1: nothing from it. I just I just pulled back out
Speaker 1: of everything. But my wife steads saying, you you have
Speaker 1: to put your story out there. Yeah, it seems like
Speaker 1: that you got your winner this time around. Uh, she's
Speaker 1: definitely in your corner. Like I hear a lot of
Speaker 1: things that you know, you got work on together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really uh seemed like a real team. How did
Speaker 1: you guys meet? Oh? Man, Um, I met this guy
Speaker 1: that wanted me to invest into a movie. And uh
Speaker 1: it was the Steak Say Steakhouse restaurant right off of
Speaker 1: San Felipe. And we walk in right and as soon
Speaker 1: as we walk in, this dude talking to me or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I see this tall, beautiful Columbian woman and I
Speaker 1: couldn't even hear this dude talking no more. Man. She
Speaker 1: really like caught me off guard. And uh so we
Speaker 1: got seated. She was a hostess there. We got seated
Speaker 1: and I asked the waiter, I said, man, who is
Speaker 1: this girl? Man hull. The waiter was like, forget about her.
Speaker 1: We all shot our shots. Shoot everybody dout, you know,
Speaker 1: and for me, you know, it ain't my shot, so
Speaker 1: let me let me shoot mine. You know. So long
Speaker 1: story short, you know, I started talking to her, and uh,
Speaker 1: first thing I noticed she was different man, Like I'm
Speaker 1: I've never been a dude that that dad was attracted
Speaker 1: to something that just looks or match everything. I always
Speaker 1: wanted some authentics, something that I can say, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what I have, you know. And she was so
Speaker 1: different how she looked at life, family and I'm big
Speaker 1: on family. So and we just hit it off. Man
Speaker 1: and uh and you know these uh um you know
Speaker 1: what they say about Columbian women and and taking care
Speaker 1: of you and cooking. I wasn't used to that. What
Speaker 1: used to being taken care of that good? You feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I actually used to think she
Speaker 1: was setting me up because I was I wasn't used
Speaker 1: to being treated so nice, you know, but it's so
Speaker 1: it was so calming and so natural for And how
Speaker 1: long have you all been together? About fourteen years? Ok?
Speaker 1: All right? Are you at liberty to tell the story
Speaker 1: that you told me about in them all which you're
Speaker 1: in the galleria and there was gentlemen in suits. Oh man,
Speaker 1: let me see how I can say that. Ah, I
Speaker 1: can say my my father in laws is a well
Speaker 1: respected man, wise man, family man um and uh he uh,
Speaker 1: he's he sent some friends of his just to check
Speaker 1: me out to make sure I was who I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be being around his daughter. You know, he knew,
Speaker 1: you know, his daughter is a beautiful woman. You know,
Speaker 1: she's been a model ever since she was a kid.
Speaker 1: And he knows how men uh come up on him
Speaker 1: like that, so you know, and these dudes were a
Speaker 1: real persuasive and you know, asking me these questions. They
Speaker 1: were nice and everything, but he did what I would do,
Speaker 1: put it that way. But now I can't I can't
Speaker 1: speak to too much on that. But you know I
Speaker 1: can't talk too much on that, you know what, And
Speaker 1: that's respected. I want. I want these youngsters out here
Speaker 1: out there to listen and learn because this is what
Speaker 1: this show is all about. Information and instructions. You see
Speaker 1: how he answered that question like he gave you something,
Speaker 1: but he didn't give you anything. You did what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: that's the way you do it. You know, you you
Speaker 1: you know you have to you have to carry yourself. Man.
Speaker 1: All you have, you know, you carry yourself in a
Speaker 1: certain way. All you have is is is your balls
Speaker 1: and your word. At the end of the day, all
Speaker 1: this all of this material stuff to everybody tripping on
Speaker 1: that stuff come and go. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: all you have is your balls in your word. And
Speaker 1: in addition to that, you know, that's what shapes your character.
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to talk to you. Man.
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate you coming in and sharing your
Speaker 1: story and just that that's actually just a glimpse of
Speaker 1: your story. I mean, this guy, this guy's story. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could pretty much write about ten books on your life,
Speaker 1: and each one of those books and each page's chapter
Speaker 1: would be intriguing. So thank you for coming through. Man.
Speaker 1: How can the people get in touch with you? You
Speaker 1: can hit me up at Twitter on Twitter Enzo Wineberg's
Speaker 1: E N Z O W E I N B E
Speaker 1: R g um you guys, and check out my uh
Speaker 1: my documentary call When Thugs Fly. It's on to be
Speaker 1: right now coming to Amazon and other outlets. And uh
Speaker 1: I have a book also dropping in the next couple
Speaker 1: of months called The Blood of Wine. M hm. That
Speaker 1: is fam I appreciate you once again, man, and and
Speaker 1: and and Like I said, man, it's really good to
Speaker 1: see man. Good to see you again. It's been a while.
Speaker 1: It's been a while. Yeah, you're looking good at yourself. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep it with your Try to bring
Speaker 1: me some mineral water, you know what I'm trying to
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