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Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, humblesh just north of Houston. Um,

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Speaker 1: So the sheriffs turned to my mama and asked her

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Speaker 1: about it all right. I had this, Uh see, I'm

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Speaker 1: a I'm an inventor. I'm gonna thinker man. I always

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Speaker 1: all this other stuff. But he was the only one

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Speaker 1: He ended up stealing his neighbor. This is how start.

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Speaker 1: Bah bust men's face. The bullet knocked me off my feet,

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Speaker 1: will him yea, I'll never forget this, bro. You know,

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Speaker 1: I said, don't let me die this time, because prior

425
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: to then, you know, I got shot. But before that,

426
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: a dude put a technoline in my head and the

427
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: jam because he thought I stole his girlfriend. When he's

428
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: hot heads. Man, you know I got any check real quick.

429
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: He said, you ask God, don't let me die this time.

430
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: When you told God, don't let me die this time,

431
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: that implies that you died before the way you said that. Well,

432
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: so on what day did you die before? Did you

433
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: die before? Like you know, hey, man, you know you

434
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: know your life. Man, you know I wouldn't be surprised

435
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: it was that. It was that day I left and

436
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: came back. But prior to then, out have been and shootouts.

437
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: One of my partners, after twenty some years in prison,

438
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: he get out, I'll bring some young dudes to the

439
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: hood to the ward to meet him. He still start

440
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: telling the story. I don't even know what the story is,

441
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: and I was in the story. He said don't you

442
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: remember you were running, you dive over the car and

443
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: you were shooting two pistols. I'm like, really's so crazy, man,

444
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: to think of think how wild I used to be,

445
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: where my mind was. Girl Boys reloaded podcast will be

446
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: right back after the break. Talk about blowing the bag?

447
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: How did you blow this bag? Bow become homeless? So boom,

448
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: It's all wrapped up in this. So I'm I'm dying

449
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm in the stopping go man, and

450
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm getting very, very tired. I'm afraid. But at the

451
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: same time, I'm trying to calm myself down because I

452
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: know what happens when you bleed out. People coming in there. Man,

453
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm hearing girls crying, people falling on my blood. I

454
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: was bleeding so much. The pants I had on was

455
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: dry riding bro. When the ambulance got there, they said

456
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: they couldn't transport me. They had to call life flood.

457
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: In between that time, our flat line once or twice.

458
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: In between that time, either once or twice, and when

459
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: I got into the when they picked me up in

460
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: the helicopter. When I woke up in the hospital, doctors

461
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: and they gave me some understanding. They was talking about it.

462
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be living based on the amount of blood

463
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: I lost. So fast forward to that. Nah, police just

464
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: took all of what I had right now in that warehouse.

465
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: I had a little stash from my bag, but it

466
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: was in the back under some stuff. When I got out,

467
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: when I went back by there, all of that stuff

468
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: was scraped out of that like they search everything, like

469
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: the parts and all this other stuff. And I had

470
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: this like this piece of I want to say still

471
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: like to see a land on some dirt on some

472
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: ground on on the ground in the very back of

473
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: the wouse because it was dirt, it was real ragling,

474
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: it was dirty. Wasn't a ceement floor. It was a

475
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: dirt floor with a little tin around it. And I

476
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: knew that they didn't they got my money. Now. When

477
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: I got out, the hospital paused for a minute, and

478
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: I was wondering, Man, you still here, You still here?

479
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: You know you get that consciousness, so well, maybe I

480
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: need to try something different. But I got out there

481
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: and people started calling me brad name scar facing all

482
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: this stuff and being young and still it kind of

483
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: went to my head. But I um, I lost myself

484
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: for a moment and I ended up doing worse than

485
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: I was before to try to get back up to

486
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: where I was this month's after coming out to hospital,

487
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even fully heal fast forward past that, end

488
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: up getting locked up facing fifteen years in prison for

489
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: what that was once that was locked up for another

490
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: auto theft charge. That was another auto the charge, fifteen

491
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: years for all that. They must they must have been

492
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: trying to tie you to a string of uh typic

493
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: conspiracy or something. It was grand theft and it was

494
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: trying to get me for masterminding crimes. Right, So so

495
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: you end up homeless and where are you? Where are

496
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: you actually sleeping? At fourth ward? It was a place

497
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: called the Riot Center right off of Tab Street. I

498
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: think it was right off the Tab Street if you

499
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: come out off of Alan Parkway, go down Tab. It was.

500
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: It was a homeless shelter, but a lot of teenagers,

501
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: runaway teenagers would go there from River Oaks, you know,

502
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: little kids on drugs and stuff like that. So I

503
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: would go around there to eat. But the reason I

504
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: was homeless because I refused to go back to my

505
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: mama's house. You know, did you refuse to go because

506
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: you felt like you couldn't bide by her rules and

507
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: your father's rules, or you didn't want to go because

508
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: you felt that you would be rejected. No, it wasn't

509
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: that my mama was mad at the whole whole situation

510
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: that I did that, But it's because I didn't. I

511
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: didn't want her to take care of me. Plus my

512
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: brother was doing too many things over there. I didn't

513
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: want to get into it with him and end up

514
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: back in jail. So, and you know, they called the

515
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: jail house religion. So I called God out on everything

516
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: the Bible said. So, I said, you know, you're supposed

517
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: to provide for me. You supposed to show me what

518
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be doing. All I know is the streets.

519
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: I ain't never worked for nobody to this day, I

520
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: really never worked for nobody. And what I would do

521
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: just off the whim, I would wrap about my problems

522
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: just and I would wrap the guard about my problems

523
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: and my depression and all that other stuff. This is

524
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: why you lock that. No, this is at the this

525
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: is home for homeless, and um he's you know. Fourth

526
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: War Mexicans used to come around and be like, man,

527
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: your voice you sound chopped and screwed. You sound screwed,

528
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: and I just kept wrapping to one day Kevin Bads

529
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: from the Houston Astros. I don't even know who he was,

530
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: to be honest, this dude pulled up, I guess to

531
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: give money to drop off some clothes or whatever the case.

532
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: And he's seen, I guess, seen this one black dude

533
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: out here with this the Spanish dudes out in front

534
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: of the place. And he paused for a second and

535
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: listen to me wrapping everything, and walk back into place

536
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: and left. The lady they worked at the desk came

537
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: outside and said, hey, you know that dude. I said, no,

538
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: he said that was She said, that's Kevin Bass from

539
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 1: the Houston Astros. He just wrote you a thousand dollar

540
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: check and click. I said, well, this is how I'm

541
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: gonna make money rapping. And I wasn't good at it WILLI.

542
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't good like y'all. But I I took that

543
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and I started getting those Kmart tapes, you know,

544
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: the ones with all that ad in it, and up.

545
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: I would go to this church I was going to

546
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: at the time and clean it up at night and

547
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: used a p A system to record. I ain't had

548
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: no beats, and I was selling those tapes for two dollars.

549
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: I remember the dude in the hood and say, man,

550
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: you expect meet the body that ain't no beat o this.

551
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: I was shoving it down people throat until I could

552
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: like flip that and flip that. I started meeting producers.

553
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: They were whacked producers. So I was still spitting on

554
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: the wag Beach recording and I just kept doing my thing.

555
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: Ti uh. You know, I started getting on this new

556
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: one and this is that's ninety six, that's ninety that's

557
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: in between ninety four. Okay, So but you put your first,

558
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: my first album, right, and you have seventeen albums to

559
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: date to date, are you still making money off those albums? Yeah,

560
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: they're still making a little money. Yeah. Do you do

561
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: you own most of them? Don't on all of them? Yeah? Okay, yeah.

562
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: I said I gave you credit for at least on

563
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: it most of them, because I know you've always been independent.

564
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: We'll see. Even even the first label I signed to,

565
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: I produced. I put all that stuff together and we

566
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: were supposed to do a P and D deal, and

567
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: the dude triggered me, you know, nice little Christian brother, Hey,

568
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm your Christian brother, you know, put me when I

569
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: when I went to a lawyer and let the lawyers

570
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: see the contract and said, man, that's the most demanded

571
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: countract I've ever seen. It was horrible, dude, flat out

572
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: live and he has never paid me to this day

573
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: that album. So you're trying to say that Christian did this.

574
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely a man of God. Absolutely, that's preprosperous. And I

575
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: don't believe it, man, I don't believe it. Yeah, so

576
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: he got old man, so so cold man God. So

577
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: he got you. And so how do you restore your fan?

578
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: How do you end up not being jaded to get

579
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: to a point to where you wanted to continue? Well,

580
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: I realized that the contract he set up, it was

581
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: an artist contract. It wasn't even what he said. I

582
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know nothing about no contracts and no lawyers.

583
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: Back then. I took a man, tried to take a

584
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: man at his word. And if you're a Christian man,

585
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: well maybe you honest, I was talking the street. You

586
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: don't trust nobody, but when you come into Christian world,

587
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: oh you can trust everybody. That up that ain't true willing,

588
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: and he got me. So I literally called the dude

589
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: up and I say, you know, either you pay me, oh,

590
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm coming to see you flat out. When the dude

591
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: was like, you know what if I let you off,

592
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: just let you out of the contract. I still wanted

593
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: my money, but I knew in order to get that money,

594
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: I was going to put my hands on it, and

595
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: I was willing to do that, but I didn't want

596
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: to put I didn't want the trouble that came with,

597
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: and already had a family by then. So I came up.

598
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I got a couple of

599
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: songs that didn't used, and it's a whole lot of

600
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: other little Christian artists that's trying to do what I'm doing.

601
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: And what I was doing wasn't even really heard of,

602
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: Like how you be talking about the streets and and God.

603
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: The only thing that wouldn't in mine is I wasn't cussing,

604
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: and I would talk about God and what I used

605
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: to do. So I got a whole bunch of other

606
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: little dudes and we put a compilation together and it

607
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: was calling Thugs Fly, which is what you name your

608
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: movie exactly, Yeah, tell us about the movie. Well, actually

609
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: it's a documentary. And my wife been asking me to do.

610
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: For a while, I've been avoiding it. You know, I'm

611
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: not even now Willie as cool as we are because

612
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: the cameras on me and we're just sitting there talking

613
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: about my past. It's a it's a struggle because of

614
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: of the stuff that happened to me, you know, how

615
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: they drugged me, through the media and all other stuff

616
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: that took place. So but my wife was like, your

617
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: story is too intense, and usually when I started telling

618
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: the story, I'm all over the place, I'm sporadic with it.

619
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: She knew how to put it together where he calms

620
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: out the way it needs to come out. What's the

621
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: most interesting thing? And that film that you think that

622
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: people will find compelling about you? Um, fact, like, I'm

623
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: not I'm not like anybody else. I'm not like any

624
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: other rapper. I'm not like any other dude from the streets.

625
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: But what makes you not like those guys? Because you know,

626
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: people say, well, I'm not like that, I'm not like that. Like,

627
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: tell us why you're not like that? You know, how

628
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: how is it that you're not like these other guys?

629
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: My perspective, man, how I look at life? Uh? I

630
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: was telling somebody the other day. I've never wore Pat

631
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: Jordan's in my life. You know. One dude told me

632
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: I did the Cardinal Hood's in And the reason I

633
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: never him because because everybody wanted him. I've never followed

634
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: the crowd, never was interested in the crowd. I don't

635
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: even know what pure pressure is. I just wasn't built

636
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: with that bone, you know. And um, I've almost gotten

637
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: fights because jokers just wouldn't believe that I've never been high,

638
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: or don't drink my own lawyers don't believe it. No,

639
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: which phraised me back to your name, Wine. How does

640
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: a guy who's never been high, who has never been inegrated,

641
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: name himself wine? Oh, and then make it work. Actually,

642
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who this dude named black Seed. Uh,

643
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: he was getting into wrapping around the same time I was,

644
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: and he thought it was interesting. I didn't have a

645
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: rap name for a minute, and uh, he didn't have one.

646
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: So I named him black Seed. And he named me

647
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: new Wine, he said, because new Wine in the Bible,

648
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: it was a street name for the spirit of God.

649
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: That's what they that that was when you get the

650
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: word new wine. If you ever hear a new wine

651
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: in the church, they're talking about the spirit of God.

652
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: So it's stuck. And I went from New Wine as

653
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: a rap artist to Wino as a producer. How do

654
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: you get wine out of New Wine? I got the wine,

655
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: but where people started just just just saying it w wanta.

656
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: So it just stuck. Man. So when I went from

657
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: the Christian thing, I started doing the street music. I

658
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: just went with Wino. So you started off with the

659
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: Christian music and then you went into the street thing.

660
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: Then you went back to the Christian thing with Evan

661
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: the Holy Field, right, Well, no, I was. I left

662
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: after Vana Field, after we hooked up. I was done Christian.

663
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: Evan Evan the Holy Field part. This ship was your

664
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: for a into Christian Yeah, I was. I was a

665
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: Christian hip hop artist at the time. The Boys reloged podcast.

666
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: Will be right back after the break. Tell us about

667
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: that relationship that you had with Evan the Holy Field

668
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: and how it came to be Man, I ran into him. Uh,

669
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: these kids that kept asking me to come to this

670
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: little meeting they had, and when I showed up, everybody

671
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: was there, like and this was like a little kid's apartment,

672
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: like a regular apartment complex and sugar Land. It was

673
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: football player. Everybody was there, and uh, from that, they

674
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: did this outdoor thing and that's and I performed at it,

675
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: and Evander holy Field was right there and we shook hands.

676
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: We were cool. And then I was in Atlanta and

677
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: I umpt into him. He said, Man, I like your music. Man,

678
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you because he was thinking

679
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: about starting a label and he wanted me to help

680
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: him build a label. And that's how it started, all right,

681
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: But how did it end? Uh? Man? Well, you know,

682
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: holy Field is a boxer. You know, boxes are stubborn.

683
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: You're a boxing yourself, you know. And I'm a fighter too,

684
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: so it's just stubborn. So and I guess like me

685
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: and him used to argus so much like we'd be

686
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: at the airport, argument everywhere, argu and people used to

687
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: think he's gonna knock me out. But I ain't to

688
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: type to kiss your button. I'm gonna tell you if

689
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: it's wrong, you're wrong. So we get an arguments, so

690
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: many arguments. But he had hired these dudes that I

691
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: knew with snakes and my money was mixed up in it,

692
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: and he had them to run the label. Yeah. Oh,

693
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: how they was coming in. I already knew there was

694
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: from the bend him over period and me and he

695
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: went back and forth. Because my money is tied up

696
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: in this, I said, bro, so I had to sign

697
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: off on on it. And in between me signing off

698
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: on it, he said, Man, if this this goes bad,

699
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm a I'm a handle yo. End

700
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: of it. To me, I had a probably a hot

701
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: m and in the bank he had a hundred fifty ms.

702
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: So like, okay, that's my Christian brother. So man, look

703
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: here the boys. What the boys did did to him

704
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: was crazy. Man. They straight rather, they did more than

705
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: what I thought that were gonna do. How many how

706
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: many ms? You think holy Field lost in that deal altogether?

707
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: He lost in the music business a little over ten million.

708
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh wow, grossly over what I thought it was. I

709
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: thought I heard the number like three four something. He got.

710
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: He got got by two people, two sets of people.

711
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: I want them on both, which is crazy. But so

712
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: when that happened, he didn't fulfill his thing, and that's

713
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: when we fell out. M hm, you know, oh y'all

714
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: still cool? I mean, did y'all get back cool? I

715
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: went to his uh the statue of revealing I'm really

716
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: close to his family too, so we're cool. You know,

717
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: at some point you just chalk it up, man, I

718
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to be at odds with any

719
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: of my brothers. Yeah, but but holy Field always came

720
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: out as a good dude to me. But just on

721
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: the business side, just get out business side, okay, you know, yeah,

722
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: I got you. So in two thousand fourteen, you have

723
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: a situation with your wife at the time, Iggy Azalia. Right,

724
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: this is two thousand fourteen, right, Uh that you hit

725
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: the headlines. You hit the headlines. Uh, I got to

726
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,959
Speaker 1: speak vague on it. You can say that. You can't

727
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: say that. Man, So is there still a pending lawsuit,

728
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: litigation or something going on? It was all done away with.

729
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: Why do you why do you have to be vague

730
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: about it? Well, because, oh, because it's a it's still

731
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: a gag. That's a gag. It's that's still in place.

732
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean, how real is over gag arders stuff? I mean,

733
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I mean you're like, hey, you know,

734
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: I hear about these gag arters all the time and

735
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: people break them all the time and nothing really happens.

736
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: So you know, but yeah, you know, Okay, so you

737
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: and you tell me about that relationship. You know, all

738
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: I know is what I what I'm read about it.

739
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about the girl I met that

740
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: was from Australia, from my Australia. I met her through Uh.

741
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: I met this girl through uh Mr Lee. Okay, producer,

742
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: Mr Lee. It was my boy. Mr Lee was working

743
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: on this this label. These people hired him, was bringing

744
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: them into run the label and be the production in

745
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: and he called me because you know, I'm a producer

746
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: as well. So I go over there and I see

747
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: this tall woman in the in the you know, sitting

748
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: up over there. She's just sitting by herself. I asked,

749
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: Mr Lee, what's going on? You say, man, look here,

750
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: this girl has been hounding me for five years on

751
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: my Space. And Mr Lee was kind of standoff. It's

752
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: your bottom. And I guess he could see what I

753
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: couldn't see. I don't know what, you know what The

754
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: reason was, to be honest. And so the people who

755
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: owned the label, they took us all out to eat

756
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: and they brought her with him. You know, she was

757
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: like a string alonge. And while we're there eating at

758
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: this restaurant, people come banging pans and singing happy birthday.

759
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: We're looking around. They were singing happy happy birthday to her.

760
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: I guess her mother knew what she was. And you know,

761
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: it was her birthday, and uh, everybody asked the old

762
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: she was, and uh, she said she just turned eighteen.

763
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: And Mr Lee looked at me like, I said, well,

764
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: let me, let me just see what's up. So I

765
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: started talking to him man, and she wanted to be

766
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: a superstar, wanted to be artists. And I said, you

767
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: look like a model. You need to go that route.

768
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: And she was like everybody keeps telling me, no, I

769
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: want to be all you know, long story short, she

770
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: she was down here, we hung out, got in a relationship.

771
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: I understood her. I'm not I'm not speaking negative. I

772
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: know I'm a weird dude. Really, I'm considered weird so

773
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: I can relate to the weirdest people. And uh, I've

774
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: seen the talent in her. What do you find weird

775
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: about it? Though? Her style? You know, shame where I'm from.

776
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: You know, how she looked at life the whole nine

777
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: It was just really intriguing to me. You know, for example,

778
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: how she looked at life. You go dig baby, let

779
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: me see let me see, uh, the opportunities. The way

780
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: she looked at opportunities, it gave me another perspective because

781
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: see the way we look at opportunities, we have to

782
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: look at the opportunity. We know we gotta go hard,

783
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: but we know also we gotta jump through hoops, we

784
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: gotta fight all stories. It's a whole lot of stuff

785
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: we gotta deal with to get to through that journey.

786
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: This person just had a free mind in it, like

787
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: like she knew exactly that she could do this, and

788
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: it was it was nothing in front of her. Now,

789
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you say that around me? Put it that way?

790
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: Not not not? Was that freedom because she was a

791
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: Caucasian woman or was it because she just had supreme confidence?

792
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: And I said, I think it was because of both.

793
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 1: It was because of both. Well at least she was honest. Yeah,

794
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean when someonebody don't deal with what you deal with,

795
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: it is what it is. So so, you know, things

796
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: took off or whatever, and she started living with me.

797
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I moved to Atlanta to give

798
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: more work. You know, it was drying up around here

799
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, doing producing, So I moved

800
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. She moved with me, and I started like

801
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: setting up with stuff like trying to get on reality

802
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: shows and modeling agencies and all kinds of stuff. And

803
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: it became a headache with it. You know, it became

804
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: a headache. I'm used to a one man band. It

805
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: was a two It was new. It was me and her,

806
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. So I decided to send

807
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: her back, you know, to Australia. Where did the rumor

808
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: come from where people were saying that she was seventeen

809
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: years old when you married her. That was a plot

810
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: that was applied to try to make me look bad,

811
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: That's all it was. She definitely wasn't seventeen. Yeah, So

812
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: how did you How did she get into the music?

813
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: I thought that you brought it in and started working

814
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: with her on the music. You're the first one who

815
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: started working with her when it came to music, right developed.

816
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: So how did you feel like once you introduced her

817
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: to the game and put her down and helped develop

818
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: her style and all of that stuff, and then she

819
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: got on and was like kick you to the curve

820
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: like didn't want to. It was no problem, It was

821
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: no it was no issue. They hit me up because

822
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: somebody Jimmy Alvin was trying to sign it, and they

823
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: hit me up and they say, hey, I think there's

824
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: Wando's artists, so girl or whoever she is or whatever.

825
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: So I told hm, I said, no problem. I ain't

826
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: tripping on the contract. Ain't tripping on none of that

827
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: stuff because I had catalogs and the stuff I was

828
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: here couldn't touch the catalog. So I was confident on

829
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: my end. So I was like, if she went out

830
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: and hustled and did all that, that's cool. I'm gonna

831
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: hold down with I put my work into and my

832
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: hustle into so man as she blew, I had a

833
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: situation come to me, a lucrative situation, so I started

834
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: putting it together when they got when she got wind

835
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: of it, next thing, you know, something filing federal court

836
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: that I'm steal in music. Boom. That's how all of it,

837
00:55:53,280 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: that's how everything started triggering everything. I didn't know about

838
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: the marriage situation. You know, in Texas they got the

839
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: common law thing, so you know, you find out. You know,

840
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: all somebody has to do is put your last name

841
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: down on medical records, on mail, coming to your house, anything,

842
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: and they can claim you as a spouse, and you

843
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: literally have to fight that in court. So the way

844
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: that the narrative was spun was that you're the one

845
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: who was trying to say we're married. So and so

846
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: initially she claimed you as her husband, and then once

847
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: she got on she tried to distance herself as that

848
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: how I went, we'll see. No, what I think is

849
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: her initial plan was to make that move. This is

850
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: my opinion, was to make that move. M but other

851
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: things took place. But it was already there. It was

852
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: already in the system. You feel what I'm saying. And

853
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: that's when it was discovered by my attorneys. But that

854
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: situation was like that, so and but they made it

855
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: look like, okay, well you you're trying to eat off this,

856
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: you're trying to do this. It was never that, ain't

857
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: even in my character. So do you own the masters

858
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: to this day those masses that you have of her, Well,

859
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: we did some in a settlement. We already I relinquished

860
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: them through a settlement. Okay, So you got a bag

861
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: out of deer two. And they made me man, I

862
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: learned so much about the media. I know, you know

863
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: about the media. They can make you look how they

864
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: want you to look period, and then they'll do that

865
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: while you at court. So they turned the public opinion

866
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: and I already started like making you look bad. They

867
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: already if you go to trial or jury, the jury

868
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: has already been groomed to who you are, what they

869
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: think you are, you're feeling. So that was a rough

870
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: time for me because I've been in a lot of fights,

871
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: but I ain't never been in a fight like that.

872
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: That was a heavy one, you know. And when it

873
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: started hitting home and and and and my kids started

874
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: talking about it, that's when it really really really affected me.

875
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: So after all of that, that's why nobody really heard

876
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: nothing from it. I just I just pulled back out

877
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: of everything. But my wife steads saying, you you have

878
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: to put your story out there. Yeah, it seems like

879
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: that you got your winner this time around. Uh, she's

880
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: definitely in your corner. Like I hear a lot of

881
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: things that you know, you got work on together. Yeah,

882
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: I really uh seemed like a real team. How did

883
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: you guys meet? Oh? Man, Um, I met this guy

884
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: that wanted me to invest into a movie. And uh

885
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: it was the Steak Say Steakhouse restaurant right off of

886
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: San Felipe. And we walk in right and as soon

887
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: as we walk in, this dude talking to me or whatever.

888
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: And I see this tall, beautiful Columbian woman and I

889
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: couldn't even hear this dude talking no more. Man. She

890
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: really like caught me off guard. And uh so we

891
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: got seated. She was a hostess there. We got seated

892
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: and I asked the waiter, I said, man, who is

893
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: this girl? Man hull. The waiter was like, forget about her.

894
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: We all shot our shots. Shoot everybody dout, you know,

895
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: and for me, you know, it ain't my shot, so

896
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: let me let me shoot mine. You know. So long

897
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: story short, you know, I started talking to her, and uh,

898
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: first thing I noticed she was different man, Like I'm

899
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: I've never been a dude that that dad was attracted

900
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: to something that just looks or match everything. I always

901
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: wanted some authentics, something that I can say, yeah, this

902
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: is what I have, you know. And she was so

903
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: different how she looked at life, family and I'm big

904
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: on family. So and we just hit it off. Man

905
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: and uh and you know these uh um you know

906
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: what they say about Columbian women and and taking care

907
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: of you and cooking. I wasn't used to that. What

908
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: used to being taken care of that good? You feel

909
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I actually used to think she

910
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: was setting me up because I was I wasn't used

911
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: to being treated so nice, you know, but it's so

912
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: it was so calming and so natural for And how

913
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: long have you all been together? About fourteen years? Ok?

914
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: All right? Are you at liberty to tell the story

915
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: that you told me about in them all which you're

916
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: in the galleria and there was gentlemen in suits. Oh man,

917
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: let me see how I can say that. Ah, I

918
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: can say my my father in laws is a well

919
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: respected man, wise man, family man um and uh he uh,

920
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: he's he sent some friends of his just to check

921
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: me out to make sure I was who I was

922
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be being around his daughter. You know, he knew,

923
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, his daughter is a beautiful woman. You know,

924
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: she's been a model ever since she was a kid.

925
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: And he knows how men uh come up on him

926
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: like that, so you know, and these dudes were a

927
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: real persuasive and you know, asking me these questions. They

928
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: were nice and everything, but he did what I would do,

929
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: put it that way. But now I can't I can't

930
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: speak to too much on that. But you know I

931
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: can't talk too much on that, you know what, And

932
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,479
Speaker 1: that's respected. I want. I want these youngsters out here

933
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: out there to listen and learn because this is what

934
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: this show is all about. Information and instructions. You see

935
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: how he answered that question like he gave you something,

936
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: but he didn't give you anything. You did what I'm saying, like,

937
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: that's the way you do it. You know, you you

938
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: you know you have to you have to carry yourself. Man.

939
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: All you have, you know, you carry yourself in a

940
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: certain way. All you have is is is your balls

941
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: and your word. At the end of the day, all

942
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: this all of this material stuff to everybody tripping on

943
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: that stuff come and go. At the end of the day,

944
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: all you have is your balls in your word. And

945
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: in addition to that, you know, that's what shapes your character.

946
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to talk to you. Man.

947
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate you coming in and sharing your

948
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: story and just that that's actually just a glimpse of

949
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: your story. I mean, this guy, this guy's story. I mean,

950
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: you could pretty much write about ten books on your life,

951
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: and each one of those books and each page's chapter

952
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: would be intriguing. So thank you for coming through. Man.

953
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: How can the people get in touch with you? You

954
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: can hit me up at Twitter on Twitter Enzo Wineberg's

955
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: E N Z O W E I N B E

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01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: R g um you guys, and check out my uh

957
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: my documentary call When Thugs Fly. It's on to be

958
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: right now coming to Amazon and other outlets. And uh

959
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: I have a book also dropping in the next couple

960
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: of months called The Blood of Wine. M hm. That

961
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: is fam I appreciate you once again, man, and and

962
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: and and Like I said, man, it's really good to

963
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: see man. Good to see you again. It's been a while.

964
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: It's been a while. Yeah, you're looking good at yourself. Man,

965
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep it with your Try to bring

966
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: me some mineral water, you know what I'm trying to

967
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: at no more talk. This episode was produced by a

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01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: King and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast

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Speaker 1: Network and I Heart Radio.